1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 08 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 318       Contents:E Re: %VMSINSTAL-E-BADIMAGE "Backward compatibility" - My left buttock! E Re: %VMSINSTAL-E-BADIMAGE "Backward compatibility" - My left buttock! ) Re: How small can an VMS installation be? ) Re: How small can an VMS installation be? ' Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist? ' Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?   Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm  minimize VMS footprint Re: minimize VMS footprint Re: minimize VMS footprint Re: minimize VMS footprint Re: minimize VMS footprint0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!+ Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC . Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2. Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2 Re: Problems configuring TCPIP Re: Problems configuring TCPIP8 Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available8 Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available8 Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available8 Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available UCX INETd Issues
 vms and linux  Re: vms and linux 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session? 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:09:30 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>N Subject: Re: %VMSINSTAL-E-BADIMAGE "Backward compatibility" - My left buttock!& Message-ID: <42A6FC1A.74CDC530@hp.com>   Dave Froble wrote: >  > Richard Maher wrote: > > Hi, 	 <snipped>  > ' > Hypocrasy is indeed the correct word. * No it isn't - perhaps you meant Hypocrisy?   <more snipped>   Mike   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:25:57 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> N Subject: Re: %VMSINSTAL-E-BADIMAGE "Backward compatibility" - My left buttock!0 Message-ID: <11aeae24qiiqb01@corp.supernews.com>   Mike Rechtman wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>Richard Maher wrote: >> >>>Hi, >  > <snipped>  > ' >>Hypocrasy is indeed the correct word.  > , > No it isn't - perhaps you meant Hypocrisy?  ; Correct.  I'm red faced and have been severly slapped down.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:32:57 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>2 Subject: Re: How small can an VMS installation be?& Message-ID: <42A70199.20D1C5A9@hp.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > G > In article <d84g78$brh$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG  > (Keith A. Lewis) writes: >  > > Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes in article <cs9u0ka1aw5.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> dated 07 Jun 2005 16:47:54 +0200: * > > >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > >  ...<snipped>...   D I am writing this on a VAXstation 4000 - 60, in use since (at least)F 1995 for development, test and anything that gets thrown at it. System1 disk is a RZ26 - approx 1 GB, and about 40% full. H Remember - VAX VMS takes up *much* less space than the Alpha equivalent.   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 07:15:18 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: How small can an VMS installation be?3 Message-ID: <bb7zIzVF71M0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <cs9zmu21ewv.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes:  > I > I have a 2 Gig HD left over that I'm considering using with a simulated  > VAX.    G    VMS on 2G would hardly be noticed.  You can slim it down by removing D    examples, consolidating the swap and dump functions into the pageG    file, keeping the accounting, auditing, and error log files trimmed, E    removing examples and help libraries, leaving out DECwindows, etc.   F    But you won't notice the gain if you remove those latter things and    you will notice the pain.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:42:01 -0700 ( From: Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net>0 Subject: Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?. Message-ID: <d8774r$330$1@news.mainstreet.net>   Brad Hamilton wrote:H > Where are you located?  Perhaps someone "local" to you can lend you a " > copy.  That's how I got my copy.  F Sunnyvale, CA.  Yes, I suppose there should be someone local, but I'm ? rather new to the VMS world, having learned mostly on BSD Unix.    --   Steve    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC)% From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> 0 Subject: Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?6 Message-ID: <slrndae9cg.9vi.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  X In article <d8774r$330$1@news.mainstreet.net>, Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net> wrote: > Brad Hamilton wrote:I >> Where are you located?  Perhaps someone "local" to you can lend you a  # >> copy.  That's how I got my copy.  > H > Sunnyvale, CA.  Yes, I suppose there should be someone local, but I'm A > rather new to the VMS world, having learned mostly on BSD Unix.   5 Is your email address valid? I may be able to assist.   > (Mine is valid; you're also welcome to send me email if you're interested in getting this.)   -Dan   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 06:27:07 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com ) Subject: Industry standard is ridiculous! C Message-ID: <1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   7 this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back ? the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 4 Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different5 manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can 9 only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter 8 what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!6 So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is5 great doesn't evidently care that they are being held 8 hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their9 companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly 8 means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theA next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:48:59 -0400 % From: "vax, 9000" <vax9000@gmail.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! : Message-ID: <d873m8$4sk$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  9 > this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back A > the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 6 > Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different7 > manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can ; > only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter : > what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!8 > So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is7 > great doesn't evidently care that they are being held : > hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their; > companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly : > means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theC > next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ...   5 I think Intel and AMD are competing on the X86 front.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:18:27 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! 0 Message-ID: <11aea0bdb3r1rc4@corp.supernews.com>   vax, 9000 wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: >  > 9 >>this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back A >>the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 6 >>Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different7 >>manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can ; >>only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter : >>what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!8 >>So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is7 >>great doesn't evidently care that they are being held : >>hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their; >>companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly : >>means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theC >>next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ...  >  > 7 > I think Intel and AMD are competing on the X86 front.   G Competing with each other.  What market segments are they emphysizing?  E All the extensions for games and such don't help much for enterprise   systems.  G The real problem is that the entire IT industry in the early 1980s has  G suffered the influx of many new uses of computers, the influx being so  H many times greater than the original IT industry, that that original IT G industry has been marginalized.  Maybe marginalized is being more kind   than reality would indicate.  H So now you have this small segment of the new much greater whole, and a D significant part of it can get along with the commodities that have I appeared to serve the new users, such that the buying power of the small  I segment is lowered even more.  It's hard for most to convince management  G that they must spend more than the office automation, gamers, and such  F spend.  Thus no market (worth pursuing) exists to support the type of  hardware we wish for.   H Don't ever think that the vendors give a damn about your issues.  Their F only concern is how much money they can get out of you, and if you're E going to be difficult, then there are so many other 'easy' customers  H that they don't give a damn if you ever buy a computer.  They're not in ( it for you, they're in it for the money.  E It sometimes surprises me that there is still any support at all for  ! that small segment of the market.   I Then there is IBM, who cater to that segment.  Yes, if you want the good  I stuff, then be ready to pay accordingly.  If not, "how did you want that   x86?"    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:48:09 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk- Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! ) Message-ID: <d87b0p$197$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   r In article <11adueu8cbbmpbf@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes: >Bob > C >The fact that there used to be a vacuum cleaner called a VAX is an  >appropriate analogy.    What do you mean "used to be" ?    see    http://www.vax.co.uk  : They are still going strong see their list of stockists at  " http://www.vax.co.uk/stockists.htm          
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >:0) >  >--  >  >David B Turner  >Island Computers US Corp  >2700 Gregory St, Suite 180  >Savannah GA 31404 >Tel: 912 447 6622 X201  >Skype ID: islandco  >Fax: 912 201 0402 >Email: dbturner@icusc.com >Web: http://www.islandco.com & >====================================== >All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions / >of sale. These should be read before ordering. & >http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html > ' ><bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message > >news:1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...: >> this industry standard garbage is acutally holding backB >> the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions!7 >> Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different 8 >> manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can< >> only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter; >> what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation! 9 >> So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is 8 >> great doesn't evidently care that they are being held; >> hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their < >> companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly; >> means no innovention, no progress ... think about it the D >> next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ... >> >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 12:55:24 -0500 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)- Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! 3 Message-ID: <i$jF1oHzzQX8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: 9 > this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back A > the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 6 > Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different7 > manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can ; > only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter : > what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!8 > So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is7 > great doesn't evidently care that they are being held : > hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their; > companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly : > means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theC > next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ...   L Better yet, imagine if all cars and trucks used the same 2L 4 cyl engine. ItI makes as much sense to standardize on one chip as it does to put the same & engine in a Corolla and an 18-wheeler.  K And the R&D costs for a new engine are probably on the order of the cost of  designing a new chip.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible3         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 07:21:17 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm3 Message-ID: <z6xuc1Z2CtCo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <42A5E42A.981B58F7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > E > My take is that as of mid-late 2003, the plan to phase out IA64 was I > agreed upon by HP and Intel. 8086 is where HP is going. Big question is / > whether HP-UX will go 8086 (can it ?) or not.   >    HP-UX on x86 has the same problem as MacOS:  endian change.  H    OBTW I've seen nothing from Apple on which Intel processor it's goingF    to.  What makes you think thier not going to use IA64 in big-endian7    mode?  Which chip did they use for this week's demo?   1    Or is Intel going to byte off a bi-endian x86?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:00:23 -0400 # From: BC Berry <nobody@spamcop.net>  Subject: minimize VMS footprint 8 Message-ID: <4p0ea1tp4fo9rmci4hp8em50agpchp9biq@4ax.com>  D I am working on a VMS 6.2 Alpha system which runs as a kiosk. It wasA already a tight fit disk space wise and I am locked into existing F hardware so a larger disk is not possible. I am attempting to minimizeF the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any documentation as toC which VMS files are unnecessary when the system is used as a kiosk? , (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....) --O E-mail address is invalid due to spam overflow - Please reply in the newsgroup.  --   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:00:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprint ( Message-ID: <opsr13ygemzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:00:23 -0400, BC Berry <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:  F > I am working on a VMS 6.2 Alpha system which runs as a kiosk. It wasC > already a tight fit disk space wise and I am locked into existing H > hardware so a larger disk is not possible. I am attempting to minimizeH > the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any documentation as toE > which VMS files are unnecessary when the system is used as a kiosk? . > (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....) > --H > E-mail address is invalid due to spam overflow - Please reply in the   > newsgroup. > --" Why is a larger disk not possible?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:46:30 -0400 # From: BC Berry <nobody@spamcop.net> # Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprint 8 Message-ID: <o83ea1hq26vupk5mq44obm9n3qd2ejtrfr@4ax.com>  A On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:00:06 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  wrote:  I >On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:00:23 -0400, BC Berry <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:  > G >> I am working on a VMS 6.2 Alpha system which runs as a kiosk. It was D >> already a tight fit disk space wise and I am locked into existingI >> hardware so a larger disk is not possible. I am attempting to minimize I >> the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any documentation as to F >> which VMS files are unnecessary when the system is used as a kiosk?/ >> (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....)  >> -- I >> E-mail address is invalid due to spam overflow - Please reply in the   
 >> newsgroup.  >> -- # >Why is a larger disk not possible?    Contract requirements. --O E-mail address is invalid due to spam overflow - Please reply in the newsgroup.  --   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:19:52 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> # Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprint + Message-ID: <3gonlfFd831rU1@individual.net>    BC Berry wrote: F > I am working on a VMS 6.2 Alpha system which runs as a kiosk. It wasC > already a tight fit disk space wise and I am locked into existing H > hardware so a larger disk is not possible. I am attempting to minimizeH > the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any documentation as toE > which VMS files are unnecessary when the system is used as a kiosk? . > (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....)  " Have you run SYS$UPDATE:VMSTAILOR?   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:21:07 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprint 0 Message-ID: <11aea504cqt2113@corp.supernews.com>   BC Berry wrote: F > I am working on a VMS 6.2 Alpha system which runs as a kiosk. It wasC > already a tight fit disk space wise and I am locked into existing H > hardware so a larger disk is not possible. I am attempting to minimizeH > the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any documentation as toE > which VMS files are unnecessary when the system is used as a kiosk? . > (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....) > --Q > E-mail address is invalid due to spam overflow - Please reply in the newsgroup.  > --  F The single biggest gain, in most cases, is the page file.  That said, H for small systems I don't like to play around with alternate page files.  - Do a directory of SYS$SYSTEM:*.sys and *.dmp.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:33:14 +0930 ! From: TheCO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au> 9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! 5 Message-ID: <SKwpe.379$%b5.2129@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>    O'Brien Paddy wrote:  J > On my desk I have a VAXstation 4000-60 and a DEC 3000.  We don't do any I > work on the VAX now, but I use it to transport debug windows and still  $ > have licences for DECset (VAXset). > H > Checking out the 000000.dir, it is 19-mar-1994 -- at 21, it must have G > the key of the door :-).  It's been up for 373 days, so our building  3 > people are due for an annual power shutdown soon.  > H > My alpha DEC 3000 has an 000000.dir at 6-may-1993 (why?, the VAX came K > before the Alpha), but it's up-time is not as long because I was playing   > with some procedures.   $ Vax 6000-440  January 1990.  VMS 6.0/ Mail and main Webserver/secondary Proxy Server.   ( DEC 3000 AlphaServer circa 1993. VMS 7.2 Proxy and secondary web server  F > Yes, a tribute certainly and to VMS -- my colleagues get these blue  > things regularly.   G Yeah. A windows box in that situation would likely have been hacked to  F death by now as well.  The Vax has been in continuous service in that E role since around 1997 after it was 'retired' by its previous owners.    Geoff In Oz    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 10:39:46 -0700  From: jtpryan@gmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCC Message-ID: <1118252386.662234.204140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G I can't thank you enough for all this help.  I'm going to try this in a G couple of days when I am back at the client.  In the meantime I managed D to ftp all the raw .wpl files from VMS to a PC and then burn them toE CD.  I now am the proud owner of 5284 .wpl files.  As I would like to G be able to work from home and not go back to the client, is there a way 3 I can convert these to either Word or ASCII format?   G Again, your help is much appreciate as this is a very important client.   Were you at Digital?    -jtpr    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:33:05 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2 @ Message-ID: <55Fpe.974$NX4.643@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  ! didier.morandi@freesurf.fr wrote: 8 > Well, here: http://didier.morandi.free.fr/Nashua_2005/ >  > D. >    Thanks, Didier   DSC02002 is a real hoot!   Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 12:48:12 -0500 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2 3 Message-ID: <1C$3JbUpSDSD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <55Fpe.974$NX4.643@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> writes:# > didier.morandi@freesurf.fr wrote: 9 >> Well, here: http://didier.morandi.free.fr/Nashua_2005/  >  > DSC02002 is a real hoot!   But Curly is missing...   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible3         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 07:31:22 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Problems configuring TCPIP 3 Message-ID: <IVc8A1R4Q4Eq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <R5GdnVbsAdth9DvfRVn-rg@comcast.com>, "David Coolbear" <david@thecoolbears.org> writes:N > OK, It's been about 15 years since I last touched a VMS machine (VAX 11/730)H > but I just acquired a very nice VAXStation 4000/60. I got the hobbyistK > license and a CD and installing VMS was a piece o cake - until it came to > > TCP/IP. I installed the license and did the basic config via >  > @sys$manager:tcpip:config  > H > and it picked SE0 for the interface. When I start TCP/IP it complains: >  > error defining interface: SE0  > failure on internet ACP QIO  > bad attribute control list > invalid interface name > 2 > I have no idea what this means. Any suggestions?  G    Somewhere in the TCPIP databases SE0 is mapped to an actual ethernet D    device.  Perhaps that mapping is wrong.  Use show devices to findD    your actual ethernet devices and get into the TCPIP utilities and    find out what it mapped.   C    I don't know the actual utility or its commands since I long ago F    switched to Multinet.  And as a hobbyist that's an option you have,    too.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:50:55 -0700/ From: "David Coolbear" <david@thecoolbears.org> ' Subject: Re: Problems configuring TCPIP 0 Message-ID: <y4idnUcUfL5-jjrfRVn-sw@comcast.com>  	 VMS says:   
 $ show devL Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans Mnt L  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt . VS4K$DKA200:            Online               0L VS4K$DKA300:            Mounted              0  OVMSVAXSYS     1581687   167 1 . VS4K$DKA600:            Online wrtlck        0  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. FTA0:                   Offline              0. OPA0:                   Online               0. TNA0:                   Offline              0. TTA0:                   Online               0. TTA1:                   Online               0. TTA2:                   Online               0  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. ESA0:                   Online               0. MPA0:                   Offline              0. PKA0:                   Online               0. SOA0:                   Online               0   ...and TCPIP says:   TCPIP> show interface/full  Interface: LO0 K    IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST:  MTU:  4096 $      Flags: UP LOOP NOARP MCAST SMPX  5                                   RECEIVE        SEND 5    Packets                              0           0 5      Errors                             0           0 )    Collisions:                          0    TCPIP> show conf interface/full   Interface: LO0 ?    IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST: ?     C_Addr:                 C_NETWRK:                 C_BRDCST:   	    Flags:     Receive buffer:            0     Interface: SE0 J    IP_Addr: 10.1.1.72         NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 10.1.1.255?     C_Addr:                 C_NETWRK:                 C_BRDCST:   	    Flags:     Receive buffer:            0     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:42A679D2.1A801CB6@teksavvy.com... > David Coolbear wrote: J > > and it picked SE0 for the interface. When I start TCP/IP it complains: > > ! > > error defining interface: SE0  > > failure on internet ACP QIO  > > bad attribute control list > > invalid interface name >  >  > If you do: > H > $TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL       (this is the active configuration and& > gives more info than the one below). >  and then H > $TCPIP SHOW CONF INTERFACE/FULL  (this is the permanent configuration) > H > what does it say ? Does it show an SEO interface with your IP address,( > mask, and ethernet interface address ? > C > If you go back to @TCPIP$CONFIG to the core stuff to redefine the + > interface, it may help solve the problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:52:49 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>A Subject: Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available - Message-ID: <42a70d76@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: > I > For those of you who don't check the OpenVMS What's New Page every day. * > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.html > 6 > Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb.html  > 	 > Cheers!  >  > Keith Cayemberg   E I have installed and run this on four varying systems now and cannot  H shake the impression that it's performance is noticably better than the G CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA M1.7 it has replaced. Does anyone know if the build  E is significantly different? I moved in this direction assuming we've  $ seen the last of the Mozilla builds.  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au);   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes. F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:19:20 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> A Subject: Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available ( Message-ID: <opsr14uio1zgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:52:49 +0930, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>   wrote:  H > I have installed and run this on four varying systems now and cannot  K > shake the impression that it's performance is noticably better than the   J > CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA M1.7 it has replaced. Does anyone know if the build  H > is significantly different? I moved in this direction assuming we've  & > seen the last of the Mozilla builds. >   ; Mark, how does it compare with our favourite web browser?-:  Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:07:24 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>A Subject: Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available / Message-ID: <42a710e0$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Tom Linden wrote: 2 > On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:52:49 +0930, Mark Daniel " > <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>  wrote: > I >> I have installed and run this on four varying systems now and cannot   G >> shake the impression that it's performance is noticably better than  I >> the  CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA M1.7 it has replaced. Does anyone know if the  I >> build  is significantly different? I moved in this direction assuming  . >> we've  seen the last of the Mozilla builds. >> > = > Mark, how does it compare with our favourite web browser?-:  > Tom   F Hmmm, must be a bit early here :-)  I'm assuming you mean Mozilla and I function-wise. Only their mother can tell them apart (and then only from  " the birthmark in the upper right).  I The necessary shift from SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA] to SYS$COMMON:[CSWB] was a  5 slight irritation (I lost a small wrapper procedure).   F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)A   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that a peck of poxes. F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:48:05 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) A Subject: Re: Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available . Message-ID: <d877g5$8oe$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes in article <42a70d76@duster.adelaide.on.net> dated Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:52:49 +0930:  >Keith Cayemberg wrote:  >>  J >> For those of you who don't check the OpenVMS What's New Page every day.+ >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.html  >>  7 >> Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS v.1.7-8 now available @ >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb.html >>  
 >> Cheers! >>   >> Keith Cayemberg > F >I have installed and run this on four varying systems now and cannot I >shake the impression that it's performance is noticably better than the  H >CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA M1.7 it has replaced. Does anyone know if the build F >is significantly different? I moved in this direction assuming we've % >seen the last of the Mozilla builds.w  K Some bugs have been fixed since M1.7.  Unfortunately this one I reported ineH August 2004 persists!  There is a workaround, modifying MOZILLA.COM (see comment #6).  3 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256185a  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:32:18 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>t Subject: UCX INETd Issuest? Message-ID: <d876ih$ko3$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>i   Hi,S  I In case anyone is interested (I personally don't care) I observed strangeo7 behaviour when @ing the following command file twice: -m   $!& $ server_user = f$getjpi(0,"username")/ $ home_dir    = f$trnlnm("sys$login","lnm$job")P $ set default dka0:[MAHER_R] $!) $ ucx set service tip_inetd             -8)         /port           = 303           -O)         /protocol       = tcp           -b)         /process        = tip_auxs      - (         /user_name      = MAHER_R      -;         /file           = dka0:[MAHER_R]demo_tip_auxs_input  $! $ ucx enable service tip_inetd5 %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting TIP_INETD servicei7 -TCPIP-E-BADVALUE, value Service User_name is incorrect- -RMS-E-RNF, record not found5 %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting TIP_INETD servicei -RMS-E-RNF, record not found5 %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting TIP_INETD servicek7 -TCPIP-E-BADVALUE, value Service User_name is incorrectF -RMS-E-RNF, record not found5 %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting TIP_INETD servicei -RMS-E-RNF, record not found  J If you "ucx set noservice tip_inetd" in between iterations then everythingK is peachy. But if you don't then you have to start/stop TCP/IP again to get- anything to work.s   Alpha/VMS 7.2-2 UCX 5.1 ECO4  = Maybe they're old versions and as I said I'm not that fussed.    FYI    Regards Richard Maherl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:10:45 GMT $ From: Disinfo <d151nf0rm4@libero.it> Subject: vms and linux6 Message-ID: <pan.2005.06.08.15.18.12.214200@libero.it>   hallo,A im' looking for any links or suggestions to be able to connect myS* microvax3100 with vms, to my server linux.6 i made a lot of research but without enaught answeres. thank's    DisinfoE   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 11:56:26 -05000; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c Subject: Re: vms and linux3 Message-ID: <fa7$lnOoL0GF@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ] In article <pan.2005.06.08.15.18.12.214200@libero.it>, Disinfo <d151nf0rm4@libero.it> writes:t > hallo,C > im' looking for any links or suggestions to be able to connect mys, > microvax3100 with vms, to my server linux.8 > i made a lot of research but without enaught answeres.	 > thank'se      "connect" as in:   C    run a rope between them so one won't get moved without the othero  )    wrap them together with tape or string       glue the boxes to each otherE  $    run an ethernet between them and:4       load DECnet on Linux and VMS, and network them4       load TCP/IP on Linux and VMS, and network them4       load kermit on Linux and VMS, and network them  &    run a serial line between them and:4       load DECnet on Linux and VMS, and network them4       load TCP/IP on Linux and VMS, and network them4       load kermit on Linux and VMS, and network them      ...      all of the above?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 07:27:06 -0500c; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?3 Message-ID: <yQIpzWn85UOE@eisner.encompasserve.org>V  \ In article <42A663D5.2481D53A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:9 >> > another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas?u >>   >> $ SET CONTROL=Y >  > E > I have had that happen with decnet SET HOST on a DECTERM as well. I-F > think it has to do with the fact that the data may have already beenJ > transfered from the source host to the display host, so the CTRL-Y, evenF > if sent immediatly, is simply interrupting the $ sign well after theJ > command had finished executing on the source machine. This is especiallyH > true if you "hold screen" for a while. (gives time for the application< > to complete the sending of data to your decterm's buffer).  C    Much less likely to be relevant with SET HOST than with TELNET. W@    CTERM and RTPAD are much better at asynchronous (out of band)    transfers then TELNET.C   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 07:25:30 -05005; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r: Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?3 Message-ID: <3Qrr0KsNMyoN@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <1118196907.029701.215990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, rcbryan@hotmail.com writes: 8 > When I log into my company's production computers, theH > Control-Y/Control-C and break key do not seem to work.  They print theI > reverse video "Interrupt" message but it just keeps on doing what it issI > doing.  The terminal settings are the same as on another system where ItG > can break out and I did a show dev/full and everything looks the sameeB > all around.  Is there some kind of silent (to me) way the systemH > administrators may have set things up to prevent anybody from breaking > out? -  F    You betcha.  VMS deserves it's reputation for security.  And if youE    thought we were going to tell you how to work around it, you don'tb    know VMS.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.318 ************************