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 Re: a sad day  Ancient VMS documentation  Re: Ancient VMS documentation # Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2 # Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2 ' Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist? ' Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist? ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID $ RE: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm " Re: just getting started questions" RE: just getting started questions, Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) Re: minimize VMS footprint Re: minimize VMS footprint Re: minimize VMS footprint+ Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC < TCPIP SMTP bad behaviour: bounces with temporary DNS problem Re: Terry Shannon passed away  Re: vms and linux  Re: vms and linux  Re: vms and linux 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 23:26:03 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: a sad day3 Message-ID: <wsWOfqQdXXlU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <7JUN05.10250562@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes:   > H > While you pay little or no tax on the the first few K of income, thoseD > with large incomes, particularly from non-wages (investments), canI > afford to hire lawyers and tax consultants to make use of countless tax C > shelters and legal loopholes to greatly reduce and even eliminate D > their taxes. As your non-wage income goes up your chances of being > audited go down in the US. >   5 	Mythology.  How about that bastion of liberalism the , 	New York Times as a source, citing the CBO:  O "Fully one-third of President Bush's tax cuts in the last three years have gone N to people with the top 1% of income who have earned an average of $1.2 millionI annually, according to a report by the CBO to be published today. The new O estimates confirm what independent tax analysts have long said, that Mr. Bush's N tax cuts have been heavily skewed to the very wealthiest taxpayers.  Those areI the people, however, who pay a disproportionate share of federal taxes."    I "The tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 reduced tax rates for people in all income M brackets but they had a disproportionate effect on people at the very highest M levels because they had already been paying a disproportionate share of total L federal taxes and in part because stock dividends get a special lower rate."    & 	Also - from another great source  :-)  M The CBO analysis, Effective Tax Rates Under Law, 2001 to 2014, shows that the M income tax remains highly progressive, the top 5% of earners paying more than M half of all federal income taxes. As a result of the tax cuts since 2001, all L taxpayers face lower effective federal income tax rates than they would haveM without the tax cuts. While many characterize the CBO report as evidence that M the tax cuts shifted the burden of taxation to the middle class, the CBO data M show precisely the opposite effect. The tax cuts actually made the tax system N more progressive. The highest 20% of earners now pay a larger share of federal8 income taxes than they would have without the tax cuts.   I > There's an excellent book on how the US tax system has essentially been G > rigged to benefit the wealthy by David Cay Johnston called "Perfectly 	 > Legal".  > 7 > Or it can be summarized by a line from George Carlin:  > H > [In america] the middle class pay all the taxes and do all of the workG > for the wealthy, the poor are there just to scare the sh*t out of the  > middle class.  >   : 	Ha.  Nonsense and you know it.  Or sadly, maybe you don't 	recognize it as nonsense?   				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2005 11:15:43 -0700 % From: "Gunther" <jdg@mailandnews.com> " Subject: Ancient VMS documentationC Message-ID: <1118254543.198714.323450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I have two complete sets of the Orange Wall, VMS version 3.5 vols. 1A ? thru 11, that are headed for the trash.  Located in Long Beach, A California.  If anybody wants, please email at jdg@mail&news.com.   E Remove the ampersand and replace with the English language equivalent  "and".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:47:57 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> & Subject: Re: Ancient VMS documentation7 Message-ID: <8660a3a10506081147212931ae@mail.gmail.com>   B On 8 Jun 2005 11:15:43 -0700, Gunther <jdg@mailandnews.com> wrote:G > I have two complete sets of the Orange Wall, VMS version 3.5 vols. 1A A > thru 11, that are headed for the trash.  Located in Long Beach, C > California.  If anybody wants, please email at jdg@mail&news.com.  >=20G > Remove the ampersand and replace with the English language equivalent  > "and". >=20 >=20 DFWLUG might want them.=20   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:25:09 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2, Message-ID: <J5-dnTJaEI7U_zrfRVn-gQ@igs.net>   Rob Young wrote:7 > In article <42A3ACBA.DBA9B31E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Rob Young wrote: ? >>>         Nothing changes.  Gaining Apple means little to the D >>>         breakdown. Apple makes up less than 2% of desktop share.C >>>         So who really cares if x86 gets the last 1.5%, how much % >>> does the desktop landscape shift?  >>B >> Apple's percentages notwidthsatnding, they are seen as a viable	 >> option E >> competing against Windows, preventing a total monopoly of windows.  > E > Not an option at all.  If in a breakdown, one competitor has a 1.5% E > marketshare and the other has a 90% marketshare (with miscellaneous E > making up the rest - whatever) - you can't say with a straight face D > that the 1.5% competitor is a viable option.  They are a leftover.? > Akin to SCO in the Unix space.  SCO is there - but who cares?     E Good point Rob....same for VMS too....who cares.....certainly not HP.      --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:28:34 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2, Message-ID: <fd6dnZ_fdLSL_jrfRVn-qg@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > D > It will be VERY interesting to see Steve Jobs' answer if asked why > Apple didn't choose IA64.     J Because it's hard to make a laptop where the cpu heatsink is hotter/largerK than a toaster and still have the LCD panel close and latch over the top of  it         --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:17:43 +0200, From: "Jarek Grebieszkow" <frodo@fuw.edu.pl>0 Subject: Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?. Message-ID: <d87gg2$60o$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>  C "Brad Hamilton" <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet> wrote in message * news:lJGdnawTb8wBuTvfRVn-uw@comcast.com... > Steven Schoch wrote:G > Where are you located?  Perhaps someone "local" to you can lend you a " > copy.  That's how I got my copy.  H I am located in Poland. I have right now installed V7.2 (AXP) and I have& ordered from montagar latest availableJ version V7.3-1. I don't think that there is someone here in Poland who can% lend me V7.3-2 and I don't think that J someone here in HP Poland is able to answer my questions about OpenVMS and how and what should I order. What can I do in such case ? Regards, Jarek Grebieszkow    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:41:19 +0200 (CEST) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>0 Subject: Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0506082221230.7159-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   , On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Jarek Grebieszkow wrote:   >+> Steven Schoch wrote:I >+> Where are you located?  Perhaps someone "local" to you can lend you a $ >+> copy.  That's how I got my copy. >+J >+I am located in Poland. I have right now installed V7.2 (AXP) and I have( >+ordered from montagar latest availableL >+version V7.3-1. I don't think that there is someone here in Poland who can >+lend me V7.3-2    You may be wrong.   >+and I don't think   .  Hm... that translates to "have not checked" ?  Or I am wrong ? :)    >+thatH >+someone here in HP Poland is able to answer my questions about OpenVMS     Probably depends of question ;)  # >+ and how and what should I order.   A  Althought that *may* be a hard question :) - probably only minor 0 of people asks how to buy "medium only" - but...   >+What can I do in such case ?  <  Wait a moment: do you think that noone in Poland uses VMS ?    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 03 Jun 2005 11:14:56 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID7 Message-ID: <Xns966A87250A612dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   $ %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in( news:11a0a2veplduj01@corp.supernews.com   B > As for the idiots that are in such a hurry to get to heaven, or < > wherever, my only question is, "What are you waiting for?"  < Apparently the Current Terror Level isn't high enough yet...$ http://www.wackyneighbor.com/terror/     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:27:48 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <EhKpe.10412$KQ2.9821@trnddc08>    John Smith wrote:  > John Santos wrote: >  > E >>The common thread here seems to be stupidity and greed, and a total ) >>failure to learn anything from history.  >  >  > F > Just like management of the companies that have owned VMS over time. >   4 I was  trying to bring this thread back on-topic ;-)   >  > --H > OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV > base.      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:02:55 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: Industry standard is ridiculous! R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB65087D@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: Bob Kaplow [mailto:kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD]=20 > Sent: June 8, 2005 1:55 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!  >=20 > In article=20 = > <1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,=20  > bob@instantwhip.com writes: ; > > this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back C > > the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 8 > > Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different9 > > manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can = > > only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter < > > what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!: > > So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is9 > > great doesn't evidently care that they are being held < > > hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their= > > companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly < > > means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theE > > next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ...  >=20B > Better yet, imagine if all cars and trucks used the same 2L 4=20 > cyl engine. ItA > makes as much sense to standardize on one chip as it does to=20  > put the same( > engine in a Corolla and an 18-wheeler. >=20A > And the R&D costs for a new engine are probably on the order=20  > of the cost of > designing a new chip.  >=203 > 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" ( > 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< > Kaplow Klips & Baffle:=09 6 > http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfB >     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org=20 >    www.nar.org >=20B >         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it=20 > a terrible5 >         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.  >     C Well, fwiw, rather than "industry standard", I like to use the term F "standards based", because the reality is that standards are important& to Customers (XML, TCPIP, SQL etc).=20   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! , Message-ID: <42A73773.7B4AC61E@teksavvy.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > 9 > this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back  > the IT industry ...   F Yes and no. The fact that there is serious competition between AMD andD Intel for the 8086 market means that the 8086 is moving ahead faster3 than IA64 because there is no competition for IA64.   E I think IBM made a big mistake in letting Apple go.  The concept of a D core Power architecture with custom Apple extensions/instructions isH flawed. Apple should have been able to get off the shelf Power chips andD IBM should have embedded Apple's special instructions into the PowerD architecture. This dates back to the early days of PowerPC where IBMC decided to part company with Motorola and develop Power on its own.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:13:32 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! , Message-ID: <wcadnV-z2_zt3jrfRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bob Kaplow [mailto:kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD] >> Sent: June 8, 2005 1:55 PM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >> Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! >>
 >> In article ; >> <1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  >> bob@instantwhip.com writes:; >>> this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back C >>> the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 8 >>> Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different9 >>> manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can = >>> only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter < >>> what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!: >>> So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is9 >>> great doesn't evidently care that they are being held < >>> hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their= >>> companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly < >>> means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theE >>> next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ...  >>@ >> Better yet, imagine if all cars and trucks used the same 2L 4 >> cyl engine. It ? >> makes as much sense to standardize on one chip as it does to  >> put the same ) >> engine in a Corolla and an 18-wheeler.  >>? >> And the R&D costs for a new engine are probably on the order  >> of the cost of  >> designing a new chip. >>3 >> Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & >>>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< >> Kaplow Klips & Baffle: 7 >> http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf @ >>     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org >>    www.nar.org  >>@ >>         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it
 >> a terrible 6 >>         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII. >> >  > E > Well, fwiw, rather than "industry standard", I like to use the term H > "standards based", because the reality is that standards are important% > to Customers (XML, TCPIP, SQL etc).     J Which *standards* is the Itanic based on Kerry. We keep on hearing that itL is 'industry standard' so of course we believe it....we believe *everything*G HP tells us because HP has never lied to us............oh, I forgot, it 4 wasn't HP lying to us....just the senior executives.     --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:39:01 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! 0 Message-ID: <11aelo8nfuaajf6@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote:   M > And the R&D costs for a new engine are probably on the order of the cost of  > designing a new chip.   ( As with CPUs, it depends upon your goal.  A Designing a new Formula One engine, with the goal of winning the  ! championship, will require a bit.   G Designing another 4-cyl engine, which you can already do while asleep,  F is a bit easier.  You're already borrowing 99% or it from the current  design.   I How many people does it take to design a CPU?  How long?  What equipment  0 is required?  I don't see why it's so expensive.  I Now, fabing, testing, tweeking, and such, that will add significantly to   the tab.  6 What's it cost to run a Formula One team for a season?  " Did I just answer my own question?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:33:12 +02003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! = Message-ID: <42a7722a$0$67264$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: A > In article <11adueu8cbbmpbf@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner, 4 > Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes: >> Bob >>E >> The fact that there used to be a vacuum cleaner called a VAX is an  >> appropriate analogy.  > ! > What do you mean "used to be" ?  >  > see  >  > http://www.vax.co.uk > < > They are still going strong see their list of stockists at > $ > http://www.vax.co.uk/stockists.htm >  >   K Yup.  I even owned one.  I bought it because (a) I needed a vacuum cleaner  K (b) it also did shampooing (c) the name - I just had to have a VAX cleaner   :-)   	 Dr. Dweeb    >  >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >>> 0) >> >> --  >> >> David B Turner  >> Island Computers US Corp  >> 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180  >> Savannah GA 31404 >> Tel: 912 447 6622 X201  >> Skype ID: islandco  >> Fax: 912 201 0402 >> Email: dbturner@icusc.com >> Web: http://www.islandco.com ( >> =====================================? >> All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions 1 >> of sale. These should be read before ordering. ( >> http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html >>) >> <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message @ >> news:1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...; >>> this industry standard garbage is acutally holding back C >>> the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions! 8 >>> Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different9 >>> manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can = >>> only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter < >>> what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation!: >>> So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is9 >>> great doesn't evidently care that they are being held < >>> hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their= >>> companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly < >>> means no innovention, no progress ... think about it theB >>> next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:03:27 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! ; Message-ID: <zzMpe.5037$_A5.774@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>   B "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD> wrote in message - news:i$jF1oHzzQX8@eisner.encompasserve.org... F > In article <1118237227.880062.300830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  > bob@instantwhip.com writes: : >> this industry standard garbage is acutally holding backB >> the IT industry ... instead of innovention we get restrictions!7 >> Imagine if we all had vacuum cleaners from different 8 >> manufacturers that all had the same engine ... we can< >> only do with that sweeper what it is able to do no matter; >> what company we buy it from!  That is called limitation! 9 >> So anybody who thinks that x86 standards everywhere is 8 >> great doesn't evidently care that they are being held; >> hostage and have put limitations on themselves and their < >> companies ... no competition means monopoly, and monopoly; >> means no innovention, no progress ... think about it the D >> next time you start singing the praises  of industry standard ... > L > Better yet, imagine if all cars and trucks used the same 2L 4 cyl engine.  > ItK > makes as much sense to standardize on one chip as it does to put the same ( > engine in a Corolla and an 18-wheeler. > K > And the R&D costs for a new engine are probably on the order of the cost   > of > designing a new chip.   K How many parts does an 8 cylinder engine have?  500? 1000?.  A modern chip   has over 100,000,000 parts.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:13:37 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! ; Message-ID: <5JMpe.5044$_A5.323@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>   5 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  * news:11aelo8nfuaajf6@corp.supernews.com... > Bob Kaplow wrote:  > L >> And the R&D costs for a new engine are probably on the order of the cost  >> of  >> designing a new chip. > * > As with CPUs, it depends upon your goal. > C > Designing a new Formula One engine, with the goal of winning the  # > championship, will require a bit.  > L > Designing another 4-cyl engine, which you can already do while asleep, is L > a bit easier.  You're already borrowing 99% or it from the current design. > K > How many people does it take to design a CPU?  How long?  What equipment  2 > is required?  I don't see why it's so expensive. > K > Now, fabing, testing, tweeking, and such, that will add significantly to  
 > the tab. > 8 > What's it cost to run a Formula One team for a season? >   L Formula One budgets are top secret.  Do you want to win?  Ferrari may spend K as much as $443 million a year.  The HP sponsored Williams team squeaks by  L on only $350 million a year.  The Minardi team works miracles to survive on  $39 million a year.   ( These numbers are pure speculation from:  2 http://www.fastmachines.com/archives/f1/001603.php    $ > Did I just answer my own question? >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:15:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm, Message-ID: <42A735D3.CD50CD63@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:J >    OBTW I've seen nothing from Apple on which Intel processor it's goingH >    to.  What makes you think thier not going to use IA64 in big-endian9 >    mode?  Which chip did they use for this week's demo?     a https://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/universal_binary/universal_binary.pdf     E Go to the chapter/section on endianness. It is well spelled out. 8086  based, and little endian.   B Consider that Apple is primarily a desktop and laptop company.  IfG Apple's volumes weren't high enough for IBM to produce a laptop version F of its Power chip, then Apple's volumes certaintly won't be big enoughD to get Intel to produce a laptop version  of the bloated IA64 thing. Look IA64 is dead. Face it.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:52:13 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm. Message-ID: <d87eot$csr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <z6xuc1Z2CtCo@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 8 Jun 2005 07:21:17 -0500:] >In article <42A5E42A.981B58F7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>  F >> My take is that as of mid-late 2003, the plan to phase out IA64 wasJ >> agreed upon by HP and Intel. 8086 is where HP is going. Big question is0 >> whether HP-UX will go 8086 (can it ?) or not. > ? >   HP-UX on x86 has the same problem as MacOS:  endian change.  > I >   OBTW I've seen nothing from Apple on which Intel processor it's going G >   to.  What makes you think thier not going to use IA64 in big-endian 8 >   mode?  Which chip did they use for this week's demo? > 2 >   Or is Intel going to byte off a bi-endian x86?  I Somebody posted a link to a screengrab from Jobs' WWDC keynote address to D comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc.  It showed clearly that he was doing the1 presentation on a Pentium 4 machine running OS X.   K That doesn't abolutely rule out Itanic, but since they've got it running on H a cheaper processor which already fulfills Apple's 3GHz promise, at this( point I'd conclude it's going to be x86.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:26:41 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm( Message-ID: <42A75481.808EDE71@mist.com>   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:  >  > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <z6xuc1Z2CtCo@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 8 Jun 2005 07:21:17 -0500:_ > >In article <42A5E42A.981B58F7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > >>H > >> My take is that as of mid-late 2003, the plan to phase out IA64 wasL > >> agreed upon by HP and Intel. 8086 is where HP is going. Big question is2 > >> whether HP-UX will go 8086 (can it ?) or not. > > A > >   HP-UX on x86 has the same problem as MacOS:  endian change.  > > K > >   OBTW I've seen nothing from Apple on which Intel processor it's going I > >   to.  What makes you think thier not going to use IA64 in big-endian : > >   mode?  Which chip did they use for this week's demo? > > 4 > >   Or is Intel going to byte off a bi-endian x86? > K > Somebody posted a link to a screengrab from Jobs' WWDC keynote address to F > comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc.  It showed clearly that he was doing the3 > presentation on a Pentium 4 machine running OS X.  > M > That doesn't abolutely rule out Itanic, but since they've got it running on J > a cheaper processor which already fulfills Apple's 3GHz promise, at this* > point I'd conclude it's going to be x86. >   6 Plus the fact that OS X has been secretly running on a Pentium for 5 years now.7 But the pentium series chips lack any vector processing 9 capabilities.  Don't know if the new Pentium D series has ) this or not.  The Opteron does have them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:46:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm, Message-ID: <42A75929.9F52350F@teksavvy.com>   GreyCloud wrote:9 > But the pentium series chips lack any vector processing ; > capabilities.  Don't know if the new Pentium D series has + > this or not.  The Opteron does have them.     B Between now and 2007, the 8086 is poised to get got a big boost inE features. If AMD has vector processing, then Intel will soon follow.  G Apple is an independant business with no ties to Intel or Microsoft, so F when it decided to go with Intel, it is because it had assurances that the 8086 would fit the bill.  H Curly killed Alpha to secure an already existing relationship with IntelF and ensure Compaq had good prices on the 8086. Apple doesn't have suchH ties to taint business decisions. Curly wasn't betting his business withG the Jun 25 murder of Alpha, he was focusing on his business and getting F rid of what he didn't want. Apple's move affects its core business and* it wouldn't jeoperdize it to please Intel.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:34:18 -07000 From: "Anthony LaMark" <anthony@eXcSoftware.com>+ Subject: Re: just getting started questions ' Message-ID: <wqOne.91$xr.84@fed1read05>    Hi All,   J Wow, what an awesome newsgroup!!!  Thanks everyone who answered.  It looksH like MONITOR is going to get me 85% of what I am chasing.  For those whoH asked, my company monitors non-Windows systems/devices for the MicrosoftH Enterprise Management tools (programs named MOM and SMS).  We do all ourA monitoring, performance collecting and automation using agentless K technology.  We have all the *nix and mainframes covered (strictly speaking I about the OS level...we have many others) and I didn't want to leave "the , great" OpenVMS out!  Again, thank you all...    ; "Anthony LaMark" <anthony@eXcSoftware.com> wrote in message & news:pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05...	 > Hi All,  > H > I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands for: > < > 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire systemG > 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, not = > cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)  > ( > Any suggestions?  Thank you very much. >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:15:37 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> + Subject: RE: just getting started questions R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6508A1@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Anthony LaMark [mailto:anthony@eXcSoftware.com]=20 > Sent: June 2, 2005 9:34 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > Subject: Re: just getting started questions  >=20	 > Hi All,  >=20; > Wow, what an awesome newsgroup!!!  Thanks everyone who=20  > answered.  It looks ? > like MONITOR is going to get me 85% of what I am chasing. =20  > For those who ? > asked, my company monitors non-Windows systems/devices for=20  > the Microsoft B > Enterprise Management tools (programs named MOM and SMS).  We=20 > do all ourC > monitoring, performance collecting and automation using agentless = > technology.  We have all the *nix and mainframes covered=20  > (strictly speaking@ > about the OS level...we have many others) and I didn't want=20 > to leave "the . > great" OpenVMS out!  Again, thank you all... >=20 >=20= > "Anthony LaMark" <anthony@eXcSoftware.com> wrote in message ( > news:pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05... > > Hi All,  > > ? > > I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent=20  > *nix commands  > for: > > > > > 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire system= > > 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in=20  > real-time, not? > > cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)  > > * > > Any suggestions?  Thank you very much. > >  > >    Anthony,  A Some additional options for managing OpenVMS via PC clients: (not2 agent-less though)  H - Availability Manager (AM): free download - also runs on OpenVMS client? WS's as well. Alerts and messages - Can setup read only clientse1 (Operators) or read-write fix) clients (Sys Mgrs)V> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html  H - OpenVMS Management Station - OMS (MMC based free download for managing users, print queues, storage)i1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/argus/s  " - HP Insight Manager - OpenVMS:=20A http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/mgmt_agents/index.htmla   - WBEM solution:? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/wbem/wbem_index.htmlr  , General OpenVMS System Management home page:8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/system_management.html  A Also, if interested, drop me a direct email (see .sig) and I will H forward a presentation that has some sample screen shots from AM and OMS managing OpenVMS systems.t   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660t Fax: 613-591-4477e kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:07:10 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>i5 Subject: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)e7 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050608120718e69fb3@mail.gmail.com>t  8 Pre-planning a functional move of one system to another.  L Anybody got a reasonably good checklist so I don't have to re-invent the wh= eel?   Thanks in advance,   WWWebb   --=20hC NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related- correspondence.-C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request forr8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:37:28 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>a9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)h7 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050608123734aab062@mail.gmail.com>     Checking for propagation delays.  9 On 6/8/05, William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:a  : > Pre-planning a functional move of one system to another. >=20L > Anybody got a reasonably good checklist so I don't have to re-invent the = wheel? >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > WWWebb >=20 > --E > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-relatedu > correspondence.:E > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request forr: > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at% > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/l >=20     --=20aC NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence.tC All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request fori8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:49:45 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)e3 Message-ID: <%SIpe.2212$g4.32571@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>p  G 1) Take a good backup of every disk (if at all possible, image backups)  2) Restore to the other machinee 3) Boot MinimumsK 4) Edit the SYLOGICALS.COM (or your own .COM that defines logical names forn@ the disks) and map the logicals to the new disks on this machineK 5) Possibly change the Ethernet adapter in your IP config (had to do it foro	 Multinet)s 6) Reboot normal  H That's mostly it I guess. If logical names are properly used, all should
 work fine.   HTHl   --   Syltremh   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- D "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> a crit dans le message de1 news:8660a3a1050608120718e69fb3@mail.gmail.com...r8 Pre-planning a functional move of one system to another.  H Anybody got a reasonably good checklist so I don't have to re-invent the wheel?   Thanks in advance,   WWWebb   -- gC NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence.rC All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request forc8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:46:42 -0400, From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com>9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)-7 Message-ID: <890539d9050608144632c0b940@mail.gmail.com>m  * item 5) might involve a few more gotcha's:  9 Terminal Server Manager (TSM), if you are still using it;57 DecNet has its own set of device-naming rules which cane8 produce interesting results until you figure out the new5 device name (assuming it has changed). With phase IV, ; you get to play with NCP to fix this. Don't have experiences doing this with DecNet+ yet...  = All your queue entires will need to be deleted and re-created-? if that matters to you, if the name of the disk(s) to which the ! individual entries refer, change.g  4 On 6/8/05, Syltrem <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote:I > 1) Take a good backup of every disk (if at all possible, image backups):! > 2) Restore to the other machinec > 3) Boot MinimumeL > 4) Edit the SYLOGICALS.COM (or your own .COM that defines logical names f= orB > the disks) and map the logicals to the new disks on this machineL > 5) Possibly change the Ethernet adapter in your IP config (had to do it f= or > Multinet)w > 6) Reboot normal >=20J > That's mostly it I guess. If logical names are properly used, all should > work fine. >=20 > HTHy >=20 > --	 > Syltrem  >=20  > OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4L > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en fran=E7ais= )o' > ---zulu is not in my email address---pH > "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> a =E9crit dans le message de3 > news:8660a3a1050608120718e69fb3@mail.gmail.com...<: > Pre-planning a functional move of one system to another. >=20J > Anybody got a reasonably good checklist so I don't have to re-invent the > wheel? >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > WWWebb >=20 > --E > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related. > correspondence.nE > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for : > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at% > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/d >=20 >=20 >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:16:07 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>n9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) ; Message-ID: <XvOpe.75507$VH2.64575@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>a   Carl Friedberg wrote:   , > item 5) might involve a few more gotcha's: > ; > Terminal Server Manager (TSM), if you are still using it;a9 > DecNet has its own set of device-naming rules which can : > produce interesting results until you figure out the new7 > device name (assuming it has changed). With phase IV,r= > you get to play with NCP to fix this. Don't have experience   > doing this with DecNet+ yet... > ? > All your queue entires will need to be deleted and re-created A > if that matters to you, if the name of the disk(s) to which theo# > individual entries refer, change.h > 6 > On 6/8/05, Syltrem <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote: > I >>1) Take a good backup of every disk (if at all possible, image backups)s! >>2) Restore to the other machineo >>3) Boot MinimumaM >>4) Edit the SYLOGICALS.COM (or your own .COM that defines logical names fortB >>the disks) and map the logicals to the new disks on this machineM >>5) Possibly change the Ethernet adapter in your IP config (had to do it ford >>Multinet)e >>6) Reboot normal >>J >>That's mostly it I guess. If logical names are properly used, all should >>work fine. >> >>HTHu >> >>--	 >>Syltrem  >>  >>OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4J >>http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)' >>---zulu is not in my email address---nF >>"William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> a crit dans le message de3 >>news:8660a3a1050608120718e69fb3@mail.gmail.com...o: >>Pre-planning a functional move of one system to another. >>J >>Anybody got a reasonably good checklist so I don't have to re-invent the >>wheel? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>WWWebb >>  3 Colorado support maintains an up to date checklist.a" Ask for it if you have a contract.F The number 1 problem is that the upgrade runs autogen. Make sure your H system has a recent good version of agen$feedback.dat within 30 day and B 24 hours of uptime.  The problems arise when people have not made 7 changes to modparams.dat, or don't save valid feedback.g  < Clean up any root directories, so they have no .exe in them.    9 Make sure any changes done in sysgen are in modparams.dati     >  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:29:38 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o# Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprint , Message-ID: <42A73910.759F3A69@teksavvy.com>   BC Berry wrote:dH > the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any documentation as toE > which VMS files are unnecessary when the system is used as a kiosk?n. > (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....)  B On VAX, there is the VMSTAILOR utility that lets you remove or add certain components.   - How much disk space do you need to free up ?    G You can also compress the various libraries (help etc). I beleive there @ is a LIBDECOMP procedure in SYS$UPDATE that lets you comoress orF decompress the varous text libraries. (with a performance hit when you1 access those, especially the debug help library).I  H You may also want to look into a procedure that regularly starts new log= files (operator.log for instance) and purges older versions. =  F In sys$library: there are a lot of .TLB files you can remove (compiler support files)."  G But only you knows about what the kiosk application(s) need in terms of  support files.  H Make sure you properly document what you remove so that if an upgrade is: even made, theyt know what to put back before the upgrade.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 05:48:41 +0800o From: prep@prep.synonet.com # Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprintA- Message-ID: <87mzq05xl2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  % BC Berry <nobody@spamcop.net> writes:v  F > I am working on a VMS 6.2 Alpha system which runs as a kiosk. It wasC > already a tight fit disk space wise and I am locked into existingy? > hardware so a larger disk is not possible. I am attempting toh= > minimize the VMS footprint on the system disk. Is there any E > documentation as to which VMS files are unnecessary when the systemsC > is used as a kiosk?  (sys$examples files, object libraries, ....)S  E Well, the extra CPU images in sys$ldr, all of sys$help, make sure all:> the .xLB's in sys$share are compressed, get rid of most of the development stuff.  F But at the end of it all, swap and page file size will eat you anyway.  . Spend $35 on a 9GB disk and GIVE it to them...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:32:14 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e# Subject: Re: minimize VMS footprintm, Message-ID: <42A77FE6.C693EB9F@teksavvy.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:0 > Spend $35 on a 9GB disk and GIVE it to them...  D I run my all mighty microvax II  VAX VMS 7.2 fully loaded with TCPIPG services , ALL-In01 etc very comfotably on a 670 meg drive. (but i havet3 a 10 gig drive for data, apps, and large pagefile)    D VAX-VMS is a lot more compact.  I ran it on a 230meg hard drive, butG that was limiting and wouldn'T let me install DECNET-5, and at the timenB I was with CMU-IP stack, not sure there was enough space for TCPIP	 Services.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:57:37 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCA Message-ID: <42a73192$0$1131$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>o   jtpryan@gmail.com wrote:  I > I can't thank you enough for all this help.  I'm going to try this in a6I > couple of days when I am back at the client.  In the meantime I managediF > to ftp all the raw .wpl files from VMS to a PC and then burn them toG > CD.  I now am the proud owner of 5284 .wpl files.  As I would like to I > be able to work from home and not go back to the client, is there a way 5 > I can convert these to either Word or ASCII format?  > I > Again, your help is much appreciate as this is a very important client.  >  Were you at Digital?  >  > -jtpre > E Is that VIC maybe the White House? I believe, it was at least at one n time a heavy All-In-One user.&  C Has JF been helping you (aiding and abetting) to extract the Email f= folders under the USERNAME [GEORGE), [BILL], or [DUBYA]?  :-)    Cheers!e   K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:34:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>04 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC, Message-ID: <42A73A30.BDB38816@teksavvy.com>   jtpryan@gmail.com wrote:G > CD.  I now am the proud owner of 5284 .wpl files.  As I would like to-I > be able to work from home and not go back to the client, is there a wayr5 > I can convert these to either Word or ASCII format?,  G On your PC, you would need the TEAMLINKS client. And for that number ofPF files, you'd need to write a C program that links against teamlinks toG create those 5286 documments pointing to the .wpl file and perform 5284c? conversions to Word or other formats. Teamlinks has quite a fewi  converters for various formats).  D On VMS, the CDA converter library Can convert WPL documents to earlyD version of Microsoft Word, as well as RTF, DDIF and early version of5 worperfect.  (do a dir SYS$LIBRARY:DDIF*READ.EXE  anda@ SYS$LIBRARY:DDIF*WRITE.EXE to find out which ones are installed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:36:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>eE Subject: TCPIP SMTP bad behaviour: bounces with temporary DNS problema, Message-ID: <42A79CE5.CF6A3AF5@teksavvy.com>   VAX VMS 7.2 , TCPIP 5.3 ECO 2a  N I had reported this before, but this morning, i was able to fully verify this.  D While my ISP upgrading a router, I sent an email to my mobile phone.D With connectivity to the net interrupted, I wanted to verify how theB SMTP symbiont would react.  And as I reported, it hard bounced theF message because to it, the domain was invalid. (eg: it didn't detect a failure of DNS).   Here is a log: (more below)   / Printing debug_level 2, Domains and recipients:2 Domain: fido.ca0(    Recipient address: 5145551212@FIDO.CA    Domain part:       fido.ca     Local part:        515551212-9    Address Status:    Not done, not delivered. (Requeued)g  ) Printing debug_level 2, relevant headers:t# Return-Path: username@vaxination.ca $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 04:45:44 -0400* Message-Id: <05060804454406@vaxination.ca> From: username@vaxination.ca To: 5145551212@fido.ca
 Subject: test6 X-VMS-To: 5145551212@fido.ca@ A permanent error makes this mail undeliverable. Must bounce it.2 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_UNKHST, remote host unknown, fido.ca, -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown    E Note the "requeued" mention. However, the symbiont, after a minute oraE two, generated a non-delivery notification back to me and the messagetF was never requeued. The last 2 lines were included in the non-delivery< notification message as the reason for bouncing the message.  F The DNS setup is as follows: the Symbiont runs on the same node as theF DNS server. The DNS server is NOT setup to forward requests to my isp,G it acts as a fully grown DNS server. So the SMTP software would be able D to succesfully connect to  my DNS server, but the later would not beG able to resolve the address because it couldn't even connect to the .cat TLD server.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:19:05 +0200a- From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>o& Subject: Re: Terry Shannon passed away3 Message-ID: <42a147dd$0$4857$636a15ce@news.free.fr>s   Kenneth Farmer wrote:b  K > I received the news this morning.  Terry Shannon passed away Monday, May p# > 30th.  He was cremated Wednesday.B > H Oh God, that is sad news. But the positive aspect of this event is that B he may be helpful to VMS from where he is now (beleive it or not).   Lets pray for his soul.  Thanks for the news, Ken.    Here are two pix of him:C http://didier.morandi.free.fr/Terry%20S%20in%20Amsterdam.jpg (2003)lD http://didier.morandi.free.fr/Terry%20S%20knows%20Perrier.jpg (2002)   D. -- w1 Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien - VMS / SAPt0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:38:55 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: vms and linux. Message-ID: <42A702FF.30590.A68D15D@localhost>  & On 8 Jun 2005 at 15:10, Disinfo wrote:C > im' looking for any links or suggestions to be able to connect my-E > microvax3100 with vms, to my server linux. i made a lot of researchV' > but without enaught answeres. thank's-  
 Check out:  0   http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html  B The tools available include DECnet and LAT support for your Linux  system.   
 --Stan Quaylec Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363p3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAe0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"i   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:03:24 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)i Subject: Re: vms and linux. Message-ID: <d87fds$csr$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Disinfo <d151nf0rm4@libero.it> writes in article <pan.2005.06.08.15.18.12.214200@libero.it> dated Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:10:45 GMT: >hallo,sB >im' looking for any links or suggestions to be able to connect my+ >microvax3100 with vms, to my server linux. 7 >i made a lot of research but without enaught answeres.  >thank's   What do you want to do with it?   I I use Xvnc on Linux to host XDM Decwindows sessions, and vncviewer on the-> Linux console (as well as an OS X machine) to connect to that.  K Using NFS, my OpenVMS alpha connects to the cheap storage in the Linux box.-  @ Since VMS and Linux both respect standards, the sky's the limit.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:06:38 -0500c2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: vms and linux+ Message-ID: <42A7A42D.CA1637F5@comcast.net>>   Disinfo wrote: >  > hallo,C > im' looking for any links or suggestions to be able to connect my , > microvax3100 with vms, to my server linux.8 > i made a lot of research but without enaught answeres.	 > thank'si   Um, TCP/IP?i  ? Terse questions beget terse answers. What are you trying to do?    -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:05:01 -0500l2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?* Message-ID: <42A7A3CD.D3E9380@comcast.net>   rcbryan@hotmail.com wrote: > 8 > When I log into my company's production computers, theH > Control-Y/Control-C and break key do not seem to work.  They print theI > reverse video "Interrupt" message but it just keeps on doing what it isoI > doing.  The terminal settings are the same as on another system where I>G > can break out and I did a show dev/full and everything looks the samemB > all around.  Is there some kind of silent (to me) way the systemH > administrators may have set things up to prevent anybody from breaking > out? s  A > As an additional note, I wrote a program to use sys$forcex froml6 > another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas?   Short Answer: Yes.  ; For the long answer, see the OpenVMS on-line documentation:o    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc   -- s David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:p" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.319 ************************