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 Re: a sad day   Re: Best practices monthly post?3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!+ Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC 4 Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 5/5 :-(9 Re: Sueposium: Five days of peace and VMS. Thank you Sue! 9 Re: Sueposium: Five days of peace and VMS. Thank you Sue!  Re: Terry Shannon passed away   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:08:52 -0400 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>  Subject: Re: a sad day, Message-ID: <ncednT5dA-tHtTbfRVn-3w@rcn.net>   Bill Todd wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >  > ...  > E >> Where government runned systems differ greatly is that they do not I >> overspend on facilities/equipment. A city may have 3 hospitals, but it J >> may need only one MRI machine to handle the case loads that really needH >> MRI. Since the 3 hospitals work together instead of competing againstI >> each other, they have no problems transfering patients from one to the K >> other since  they don't see this as the loss of a profitable customer to  >> a competitor. >  > E > Another area in which significant savings occur is in treatment of  K > relatively indigent patients.  In the U.S. system, such patients wind up  E > in the emergency room in the late and expensive stages of whatever  E > they're afflicted with and the paying customers wind up indirectly  H > footing the bill, whereas in a system where *everyone* is covered for I > preventive or early-stage treatment such people walk in, get treatment  < > which is usually far less expensive, and are on their way. > H > It has been argued fairly credibly that everyone in the U.S. could be E > covered medically without spending an additional dime in total, or  H > reducing the quality of treatment one iota, or reducing medical staff D > salaries.  But only by cutting out the superfluous (but extremely J > influential) elements of the system which are not contributing one whit  > to the medical end of it.  > F > *Of course* people who are getting all the care they need under the E > current system don't see any need to change it.  But more and more  E > people are not getting that care, because anything resembling full  . > coverage is far beyond their ability to pay. >  > What are they, chopped liver?  >  > - bill" Elements like the insurance systemI (as some of my MD friends argue) which turn the practice of medecine into E an exercise in paper pushing and second guessing? they argue that for M most non-catastrophic illnesses, ordinary folks are better off self insuring, U or would be IF the system didn't penalize cash customers so highly with vastly larger O bills. I gather that is where (per these sources) the bulk of insurance profits M come from..the ordinary stuff, not the catastrophic cases...and where most of . the interference with medical practice occurs.  L Now, it is also true that there is not A medical system in the US; there areJ myriads of local ones. I've been surprised by the differences in treatmentN at different centers, only a dozen miles apart, for the same problems. RemarksR like "I didn't know anyone was still doing that...we haven't done those proceduresL for decades" from a doctor at a teaching hospital give a flavor. The currentP system does not alter this, but it may be that the primary care provider schemes9 help keep it from being discovered by patients too often.   M Could be there are a few key reforms (a RICO conviction of hospitals and HMOs L et alia to destroy the practice of charging cash customers so much more thanK insurance pays might be a good start) that would help. But I am not holding 
 my breath.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:39:21 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)) Subject: Re: Best practices monthly post? 6 Message-ID: <00A45224.33297868@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  d In article <42a97214$0$20233$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:E >I had many discussions with folks here in Nashua during the OpenVMS  H >Sueposium (this expression is (c) 2005 Hoff :-) and it appears that HP I >would like to promote the ITRC forums as a free online information (and   >unofficial support) solution. > # >The ITRC forum is reachable here:  E >http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288  > F >This leads me to ask your advice on posting here in c.o.v. a monthly E >"best practices" message which would give some info to the newbies,  ) >among them that link to the ITRC Forums.    >  >What do you think?  >   H I think that would be an excellent idea.  (Monthly is good; weekly would probably be too often.)   G >Btw, Hoff confirmed during a session (this *is* public info) that the  J >Ask The Wizard (ATW) solution to get online VMS related techical answers ; >is no more the preferred one. ITRC Forums would be better.  > I >However, there is a slight difference. Everyone in here knows that most  I >of the ATW answers actually come from Hoff, who is an HP person. In the  = >ITRC Forums, you'll get most of the answers from these guys:  > . >http://didier.morandi.free.fr/d4/DSC02093.htm > H >who are not, but Sue, who is however more than happy to participate in  >c.o.v.    -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2005 22:08:57 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm3 Message-ID: <LBIdqJWlTfjw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <z2Eqe.20071$_n2.1398651@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > J > On a related note, when Compaq decided to kill Alpha, I don't think theyN > gave any thought to how this action would affect Cray (who depended on AlphaJ > as their primary CPU technology). Like wise, if Intel decides that IntelK > shareholders would like to see Itanium die, they won't give any though to  > how this will affect HP. >   > 	Or SGI, or NEC, or Fujitsu or Hitachi or Bull or Unisys, etc.  @ 	But let's suppose HP has drank the kool-aid.  Okay.  To counterB 	the incessent FUD , let's focus on Fujitsu.  Fujitsu is a companyF 	that has arrived of late to the high-end of Itanium.  They announced E 	in March 2005 (shipping this month) their Itanium PrimeQuest line.   5 	Couple of supporting lift quotes prior to the point:   8 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2005/0317fujittola.html  J Still, Fujitsu remains comfortable with its decision to invest in Itanium,J Rodriguez said. "Nobody questions that the Itanium processor has excellentO performance if you have 64-bit applications," he said. "We still think there is C a value and performance proposition in creating an Itanium system."   X http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/server/story/0,10801,100887,00.html  I Though Itanium has failed to live up to initial expectations, it has been M gaining momentum of late. In addition to Fujitsu, Unisys Corp., NEC Corp. and M Hitachi Ltd. have all announced mainframe-class Itanium systems, and sales of M Itanium servers totaled $1.4 billion in 2004, according to research firm IDC.   l http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fujitsu-hopes-to-get-2-billion-dollars-from-the-Primequest-servers-1067.shtml  N Regarding servers, Fujitsu hopes to sell 10,000 units in the next three years,4 which would generate an income of 2 billion dollars.   ---   = 	So you see Fujitsu expects to sell a mainframe based Itanium B 	server to the tune of $2 billion over the next 3 years.  No doubt@ 	these early units are seed units - Itanium is a good thing come! 	Montecito (RAS and performance).   A 	Think of the repercussions of Intel suddenly souring on Itanium. = 	You have a major OEM/partner in Fujitsu that is just getting E 	set to roll-out a whole line of servers based on Itanium - mainframe @ 	class (RAS, etc.) and now suddenly Intel pulls the plug on them> 	and 6-12 other major OEMs depending on Itanium?  Yeah, right.  > 	Do you realize how comical that is to even suggest it happensC 	(murder of Itanium - hi JF!)?  It is a roarer!  I mean how absurd!    				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jun 2005 05:23:10 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-t5t15ZNCvdpd@dave2_os2.home.ours>   * On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:47:38 UTC, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   G > In the last week of May, my all mighty Microvax II, born in may 1987,  > turned 18 years old.   > I > Apart from having to change power supply twice, it hasn't had any other F > hardware problems. As a gift to my "son", I gave him  a picture of a8 > naked female Microvax (loaded onto its hard drive :-)  > I > Perhaps I should find a DECdirect catalogue with a centerfold  and give  > it my now adult son :-)  >  > D > A tribute to quality products from Digital Equipment Corportation.   Good kit indeed.  F The 3100-M76 runnining VMS 6.2 on my desk was replaced yesterday by a F 4000-60 running 7.3. I'm almost currrent :-) !! The 3100 has come home+ with me after serving me well for 10 years.   F Now all I've got to do is find that post from Brian that tells me how F to replace the Compaq splash screen with the rightful |D|i|g|i|t|a|l|  one.   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:41:20 +0200 " From: Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com>9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! ' Message-ID: <42ABCB00.5040204@spam.com>    Dave Weatherall a crit:  H > Now all I've got to do is find that post from Brian that tells me how H > to replace the Compaq splash screen with the rightful |D|i|g|i|t|a|l|  > one.  H !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! with a lowercase "d", please. let's protect the past :-)   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2005 15:36:19 -0700 From: jtpryan@gmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCB Message-ID: <1118529379.614653.97420@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  C No, no, the client is MUCH more important than the White House.  At  least to us here;+}   F Anyway, I downloaded a 90 day trial of teamlinks from the HP site, butF it doesn't know what to do with the file(s).  I did import one in, and@ it put a little wps+ icon next to it.  But when I try to open orG convert it it says there there are no converters for this type if file.    Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:23:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC+ Message-ID: <42AB8EA9.FC39FF1@teksavvy.com>    jtpryan@gmail.com wrote:H > Anyway, I downloaded a 90 day trial of teamlinks from the HP site, butH > it doesn't know what to do with the file(s).  I did import one in, andB > it put a little wps+ icon next to it.  But when I try to open orI > convert it it says there there are no converters for this type if file.   D It could be that the free trial doesn't include all the converters ?  2 When I ran Teamlinks, it had plenty of converters.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2005 15:23:10 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com = Subject: Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 5/5 :-( B Message-ID: <1118528590.878728.31660@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F There were people from 21 countries and all of them were true blue VMS people.    Sue      Z wrote: > Didier Morandi wrote: % > > http://didier.morandi.free.fr/d5/ H > > PS: The Longest Trip Contest (which did not occur) was won by JeremyG > > Begg (HP CSC Australia): 26 hours, followed by a young lady from HP ? > > Japan: 22 hours. You may easily recognize her on a picture.  > G > Observation ... I counted only 3 black men, total, in all the sets of 2 > pictures ... and 1 of them worked for the hotel! > . > How odd. I'm not sure what to make of it ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:57:20 -0500 , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>B Subject: Re: Sueposium: Five days of peace and VMS. Thank you Sue!0 Message-ID: <qJ-dnaa5Q9JguDbfRVn-3A@comcast.com>  ; "Didier Morandi" <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> wrote in message  . news:42aabe26$0$28797$626a14ce@news.free.fr... > All, > L > Now that the 2005 OpenVMS BootCamp in Nashua, NH, USA is over, it is - to L > me - time to say thank you to Sue Skonetski, who organized everything and I > took care of us so well, to all the folks who did their job to make it  G > happen and to HP-III who seems to start to like our beloved platform.  > K > I will not comment any contents as all presentations were protected by a  J > non disclosure agreement, but I will only say that since 1998 it is the K > first time that I found such happiness and interactivity during the show.  > 2 > This really reminded me good old DECUS Symposia. > ' > Again, merci beaucoup Sue, on t'aime.  >  > D. > & > PS: "Sueposium" is (c) 2005 Hoff :-) >   K Thanks for the "Sueposium" summary and it seems like the tide is changing?   Hope so.  M 2 quick questions:  what is HP-III ?  and what led you to say "start to like   our beloved platform".  
 Thanks again,    Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:34:25 +0200 " From: Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com>B Subject: Re: Sueposium: Five days of peace and VMS. Thank you Sue!' Message-ID: <42ABC961.6050202@spam.com>    Dave Gudewicz a crit:  M > Thanks for the "Sueposium" summary and it seems like the tide is changing?  
 > Hope so. > O > 2 quick questions:  what is HP-III ?  and what led you to say "start to like   > our beloved platform".   HP-I = HP without VMS  HP-II = HP + Curly HP-III = HP + VMS 8.2 - Carly   I (btw, who noticed that the nice sign in the Sheraton Tara said "VMS" and   no more OpenVMS??? :-)  G I think that HP is starting to like our beloved platform because, as I  D wrote in my detailed report that I will send tomorrow to the French H Press, HP has spent for VMS more energy, time and money in 2 years than  Compaq in 4.  F I promise that I will translate my report in English, then post it on 4 the n+1 version of my WEB site (available tomorrow).   D. --  4 Didier MORANDI - VMS CSA, CSE and SAP CRM Consultant4 13 chemin du Gu - 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Switzerland2      Phone: +336 7983 6418 - www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:30:30 GMT  From: Opcom <eccm@swbell.net> & Subject: Re: Terry Shannon passed away< Message-ID: <WeMqe.2707$751.1448@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>  > I've been away from the lists, with the exception of some few B announcements after the passing of John Wisniewski some 14 months  ago.  B To come (lurking) back and find this, I am so sorry about it. God = bless and keep him, we did have many DECuliar discussions at  @ DECUS, and he was an Honored Guest at the DFWCUG Bunker of Doom  on more than one occasion.  @ It was my sincere pleasure to open for him at the DFWLUG/DFWCUG @ DFWDays VMS events by invoking the electric vlasic and later by ' frying a PC with high power microwaves.   9 Even so, those introductions were weak and inadequate by  1 comparison for a man that needed no introduction.   : May his intro into the heavenly places be suitable to his = wonderfully eccentric personality, vast knowledge, universal  > talents, and the honor of his military service, none of which B will be forgotten until the last star grows cold and the last VMS  system is turned off.        Kenneth Farmer wrote:   K > I received the news this morning.  Terry Shannon passed away Monday, May  # > 30th.  He was cremated Wednesday.  >      --  
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