1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 13 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 328       Contents: Re: BA35x, SWXCC-22  Re: BA35x, SWXCC-22   Re: Batch utility to crop images  Re: Batch utility to crop images  Re: Batch utility to crop images  Re: Batch utility to crop images  Re: Batch utility to crop images  Re: Batch utility to crop images Re: cluster over DSL Re: Re: Encrypting backups HP VMS web site comments$ Re: Industry standard is ridiculous!0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!4 Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 5/5 :-(4 Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 5/5 :-(  Personal Certificate in Mozilla?$ Re: Personal Certificate in Mozilla?$ Re: Personal Certificate in Mozilla?) Question about MOUNT in multiple clusters  Re: Some DCL wish items  Re: Some DCL wish items ( Re: What Terminal Servers are you using?# Re: why are alias names a bad idea?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:01:59 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: BA35x, SWXCC-227 Message-ID: <42ad3d77$0$52457$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   J > I'm trying to figure out if a BA35x (i.e. BA350 or BA356) is a BA350 or I > a BA356, i.e. will it support wide (BA356) drives or not (BA350).  One  H > label says BA35x and the other says SWXCC-22.  Does anyone know  what @ > this is?  (I don't have it yet, so I can't test out anything.) >   H Check the SCSI connectors on the BA35x. If they are 50pins its a narrow < bus, if they are 68pins connectors, its a wide bus. I guess.   -- Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:49:48 +0300   From: Veli Korkko <vtk@netti.fi> Subject: Re: BA35x, SWXCC-229 Message-ID: <xKcre.5218$7k1.4409@reader1.news.jippii.net>    Alex van Denzel wrote:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > H >> I'm trying to figure out if a BA35x (i.e. BA350 or BA356) is a BA350 I >> or a BA356, i.e. will it support wide (BA356) drives or not (BA350).   H >> One label says BA35x and the other says SWXCC-22.  Does anyone know  F >> what this is?  (I don't have it yet, so I can't test out anything.) >> > J > Check the SCSI connectors on the BA35x. If they are 50pins its a narrow > > bus, if they are 68pins connectors, its a wide bus. I guess. >  > --   > Alex.   H The way I remember BA350 is that BA350 does have 50HD connectors at the G backplane level. BA356 variants had on the other hand something called  H I/O module at same place and this I/O module brought the scsi connectorsE much closer for easiar access. With FAST WIDE style BA356 one has at  E least two different I/O modules, one with 50HD connectors and another  with 68HD connectors.   C The Ultrascsi style BA356 aka DS-BA356-xx (blue box) have typically $ 68VHDCI connectors on the I/O module   _veli    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2005 07:35:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: Batch utility to crop images 3 Message-ID: <MSmem$LgbhQC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <42ACE889.90DCDD64@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > + > What is the best tool on VMS to do that ?   H    IMHO the Fortran compiler.  Even if it is stuck at 77.  But I suppose.    you could use some other compiler instread.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:23:12 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) ) Subject: Re: Batch utility to crop images . Message-ID: <d8k4sg$fvv$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> writes in article <1118632962.785312.136520@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> dated 12 Jun 2005 20:22:42 -0700: " >Could the graphic tool XV work??   K XV, AFAICT, only works interactively.  Moreover, it downsizes images to the + size of your X display if they are large.     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:11:57 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> ) Subject: Re: Batch utility to crop images , Message-ID: <Wohre.20017$mZ2.17665@fe07.lga>   JF Mezei wrote: G > I'd like to have my vax pickup radar images from the canadian weather G > web site and crop the relevant portion and scale it down to fit on my C > mobile handset display. (so that on long bike rides, I can use my 9 > handset to have an idea of any serious weather coming).  > J > What is the best tool on VMS to do that ?  (obviouslty, this has to be aI > background process which would generate a new small file every 20 or so H > minutyes when a new image becomes available from thw eather web site). >  > (this is on VAX).   E Assuming you already know what needs to be cropped, ImageMagick will  G work fine on VMS with just a command line but I don't know if it's the   best.    http://www.imagemagick.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:17:40 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>) Subject: Re: Batch utility to crop images B Message-ID: <42adb1a5$0$27792$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> writes in article <1118632962.785312.136520@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> dated 12 Jun 2005 20:22:42 -0700:  > # >>Could the graphic tool XV work??   >  > M > XV, AFAICT, only works interactively.  Moreover, it downsizes images to the - > size of your X display if they are large.    > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.    F xv does have command line options for resizing and cropping the image A (and much more). Please see pages 69 and 75 of the xv manual (in  E PostScript). But, for all I know, the command line options may still   require an interactive display.    XV Manual - Postscript, http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/adoc/xvdocs.ps    " xv  - John's World of XV 'n' Stuff http://www.trilon.com/xv/    xv - Trilon - Index of /pub/xv ftp://ftp.trilon.com/pub/xv/   XV for OpenVMS - Rick Dyson * http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/xv/   xv310a - OpenVMS Freeware CD v4 5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/xv310a/    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:19:35 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>) Subject: Re: Batch utility to crop images B Message-ID: <42adb217$0$27792$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:  7 > In article <42ACE889.90DCDD64@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > G >>I'd like to have my vax pickup radar images from the canadian weather G >>web site and crop the relevant portion and scale it down to fit on my C >>mobile handset display. (so that on long bike rides, I can use my 9 >>handset to have an idea of any serious weather coming).  >>J >>What is the best tool on VMS to do that ?  (obviouslty, this has to be aI >>background process which would generate a new small file every 20 or so H >>minutyes when a new image becomes available from thw eather web site). >> >>(this is on VAX).  >> >  > % > Portable Bitmap Toolkit (PBM tools)  > 
 > eberhard  4 netpbm - graphics tools and converters - SourceForge& http://sourceforge.net/projects/netpbm  < NetPBM (1jan96-VMS) - Network supported PBMPlus - Rick Dyson? http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/xv/netpbm-1jan96-VMS.zip    Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:37:14 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>) Subject: Re: Batch utility to crop images B Message-ID: <42adb63b$0$27774$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   reed@ .net wrote:   ^ > In article <42ACE889.90DCDD64@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > / >>From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  >>Organization: Indexed ' >>Subject: Batch utility to crop images  >>G >>I'd like to have my vax pickup radar images from the canadian weather G >>web site and crop the relevant portion and scale it down to fit on my C >>mobile handset display. (so that on long bike rides, I can use my 9 >>handset to have an idea of any serious weather coming).  >>J >>What is the best tool on VMS to do that ?  (obviouslty, this has to be aI >>background process which would generate a new small file every 20 or so H >>minutyes when a new image becomes available from thw eather web site). >  >  > I would say ImageMagick.    / ImageMagick - Convert, Edit, and Compose Images  http://www.imagemagick.org/   + ImageMagick - Download /pub/ImageMagick/vms . ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/vms/   ImageMagick - freshmeat.net 7 http://freshmeat.net/projects/imagemagick/?topic_id=100   C ImageMagick Documentation - Convert, Edit, and Compose Images - GSI 3 http://bel.gsi.de/docs/imagemagick/imagemagick.html   + IMAGEMAGICK v3.7.4 - OpenVMS Freeware CD v4 : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/IMAGEMAGICK/  + IMAGEMAGICK v3.8.2 - OpenVMS Freeware CD v5 @ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/imagemagick-3-8-2/  - IMAGEMAGICK v5.5.1-1 - OpenVMS Freeware CD v6 : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/imagemagick/  - IMAGEMAGICK v6.1.5-4 - OpenVMS Freeware CD v7 : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware70/IMAGEMAGICK/  . TU Delft  - OpenVMS ports of Freeware software: http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#Magick  & GraphicsMagick Image Processing System( http://www.graphicsmagick.org/index.html   GraphicsMagick VMS Installation 2 http://www.graphicsmagick.org/www/INSTALL-vms.html     Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:04:37 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: cluster over DSL $ Message-ID: <d8j7lk$bkf$1@online.de>  ? In article <Tf7re.6939$Iv5.4442@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris ' <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > > With 6 kb/s DSL being offered dor EUR 25 per month, I was wondering M > > whether, when 10 kb/s (in both directions) is possible, one could set up  9 > > a VPN and set up a cluster with SCS running over DSL.  > D > Could it be they are offering 6 Megabits instead of Kilobits? The H > slowest flavors I see of DSL in the US are at rates like 128 kilobits  > (IDSN speed) or 256 kilobits.   
 Of course.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:38:59 -0700 (PDT) 2 From: "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net># Subject: Re: Re: Encrypting backups @ Message-ID: <20050613143859.18585.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com>  5 Do you know if Encryption for OpenVMS is supported on 	 VMS v6.2?    Thanks, 	 Jim OShea 4 --- roktsci@comcast.net <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote:  > On 6/12/05 7:22 AM, in article4 > 20050612142216.2360.qmail@web81106.mail.yahoo.com, "James J. O'Shea" # > <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> wrote:  > 5 > > We are backing up our VAX VMS v6.2 environment on  DLT 4 > > tapes using TAPESYS.  Does TAPESYS provide a way to6 > > encrypt backups?  If not, is there some other tool or) > > utility that we could use to do that?  > >  > >  > > Thanks,  > > Jim O'Shea > >  > > 1 > OpenVMS Backup supports in conjunction with the  /SAVE_SET qualifier the 3 > /ENCRYPT=(NAME=<encryption-key>) with the Layered  product "Encryption for  > OpenVMS".  > / > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/encryption.html  > 3 > I am currently testing it with MTI's TapeControl.  >  > Jeff Cameron >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:20:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: HP VMS web site comments , Message-ID: <42ADC06D.C094E36C@teksavvy.com>  G A few comments about the home page of the VMS web site (accessed though  http://www.hp.com/go/vms )    E The link to "Online documentation" should be in the OpenVMS resources . column, not in the OpenVMS information column.    H The link to "Freeware" should be in the OpenVMS Resources column, not in the OpenVMS Information column.   D The Educational licences program should be in the information column  instead of the resources column.    E This one may be controversial, but the ftp link to the patches should H also be available in the resources. (instead of having to nagivat though* the support pages to find the link there).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:43:34 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> - Subject: Re: Industry standard is ridiculous! 8 Message-ID: <6lvqa1hjv81mu8mr905729oibrcv8q292f@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:39:57 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >"Dr. Dweeb" wrote: L >> It is generally accepted that Toyota currently have the biggest budget in >> F1.G >> Ferraris budget has to include Schumi, who at $35+m is not cheap :-)  > A >The Formula 1 stuff is more like IBM's Blue Gene special one off 7 >supercomputers  computers that are R&D and PR driven.  : >They're "hand made" and not designed for mass production. >  > C >What is important here is the Toyota Corolla, the mass market high R >volume stuff. That is where Intel is good at and that is where it really matters. > F >The 8086 is the Toyota Corolla of the CPU industry. IA64 is more likeG >the Range Rover. Expensive, low volume and not viable, expecially when B >there is serious competitors in the all terrain vehicles who haveH >cheaper products that work just as well if not better. (And that is whyF >Rover is out of business). Toyota also gained a huge foothold in thatF >amrket and displaced Rover. (The real outback Toyotas are not sold in: >North america but are widesprad in Australia and Africa).  M Your analogy regarding the Range Rover is wildly inaccurate not least because O while Rover has gone out of business Land Rover which is owned by Ford is still N very much in business manufacturing Range Rovers amongst other models. You canH even buy them in Canada http://www.landrover.com/ca/en/Vehicles/home.htm   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jun 2005 05:53:34 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-u1ldujxr7KLT@dave2_os2.home.ours>   E On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 05:41:20 UTC, Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com> wrote:    > Dave Weatherall a crit: > J > > Now all I've got to do is find that post from Brian that tells me how J > > to replace the Compaq splash screen with the rightful |D|i|g|i|t|a|l|  > > one. > J > !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! with a lowercase "d", please. let's protect the past :-) >  > D.  D Oops - I knew I'd got something wrong - it didn't look quite right.  :-)    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jun 2005 05:53:36 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-d4d2Q1iJq3Pp@dave2_os2.home.ours>   2 On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:49:42 UTC, Keith Cayemberg ! <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote:    > Dave Weatherall wrote:. > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:47:38 UTC, JF Mezei ) > > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > >  > > I > >>In the last week of May, my all mighty Microvax II, born in may 1987,  > >>turned 18 years old.   > >>K > >>Apart from having to change power supply twice, it hasn't had any other H > >>hardware problems. As a gift to my "son", I gave him  a picture of a: > >>naked female Microvax (loaded onto its hard drive :-)  > >>K > >>Perhaps I should find a DECdirect catalogue with a centerfold  and give  > >>it my now adult son :-)  > >> > >>F > >>A tribute to quality products from Digital Equipment Corportation. > >  > >  > > Good kit indeed. > > J > > The 3100-M76 runnining VMS 6.2 on my desk was replaced yesterday by a J > > 4000-60 running 7.3. I'm almost currrent :-) !! The 3100 has come home/ > > with me after serving me well for 10 years.  > > J > > Now all I've got to do is find that post from Brian that tells me how J > > to replace the Compaq splash screen with the rightful |D|i|g|i|t|a|l|  > > one. > >  >  > 6 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_016.html#decw10 > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/38e524662d1ac00e > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/4efcb537a4010fc1 > V > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/868f7ae506f14bd > W > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/a67daf930e8918a9  > 	 > Cheers!  >  > K.C. >    Thanks Keith   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:48:45 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG= Subject: Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 5/5 :-( 0 Message-ID: <00A4536C.685C0C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <42ACE56A.F43F4F49@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:H >Didier, I am curious, considering much of the event was under NDA, wereD >there any controls with regards to photography ? Or did they assumeB >people were professional and would only take innocuous pictures ?  ' Sorry can't answer that under NDA.   :)     D >Or did Sue inspect your equipment each evening before you sent your >pictures to the net ? :-)  G I too took pix and I assure you that Sue did NOT inspect the equipment.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2005 07:24:04 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 5/5 :-( 3 Message-ID: <akeX9xw1Fu9U@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A4536C.685C0C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   E >>Or did Sue inspect your equipment each evening before you sent your  >>pictures to the net ? :-)  > I > I too took pix and I assure you that Sue did NOT inspect the equipment.   A Didn't she give you a sticker to put on your camera ? :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:31:10 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)) Subject: Personal Certificate in Mozilla? ) Message-ID: <d8jqpu$n5j$1@news.BelWue.DE>    Hello,  K is it possible to import a personal certificate into Mozilla under OpenVMS? M I tried it under Mozilla V1.7 with no luck. The file as such is in P12-Format 7 and has been imported into IE on a Win2K-PC flawlessly.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:57:24 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)- Subject: Re: Personal Certificate in Mozilla? ) Message-ID: <d8k3c4$4iu$1@news.BelWue.DE>   \ In article <zefre.5339$th2.1236@reader1.news.jippii.net>, Veli Korkko <vtk@netti.fi> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote:	 >> Hello,  >>  N >> is it possible to import a personal certificate into Mozilla under OpenVMS?P >> I tried it under Mozilla V1.7 with no luck. The file as such is in P12-Format: >> and has been imported into IE on a Win2K-PC flawlessly. >>   >> Regards,  >>    Christoph Gartmann >>  I >Mozilla seems to expect files in streamlf format. So, maybe you need to  F >convert the file after uploading it from PC. I imported my bookmarks C >from MOZILLA V1.7.8 on PC to Mozilla V1.7.8 on VMS but I needed to + >convert the uploaded bookmarks.html first.   I I uploaded the file in image mode, so it ended up as fixed-512. I used an M FDL to convert it to stream_lf but this didn't help. The question is, whether  it is at all possible...   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:36:27 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)- Subject: Re: Personal Certificate in Mozilla? ) Message-ID: <d8k5lb$72h$1@news.BelWue.DE>   h In article <d8k3c4$4iu$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:] >In article <zefre.5339$th2.1236@reader1.news.jippii.net>, Veli Korkko <vtk@netti.fi> writes:  >>Christoph Gartmann wrote: 
 >>> Hello, >>> O >>> is it possible to import a personal certificate into Mozilla under OpenVMS? Q >>> I tried it under Mozilla V1.7 with no luck. The file as such is in P12-Format ; >>> and has been imported into IE on a Win2K-PC flawlessly.  >>>  >>> Regards, >>>    Christoph Gartmann  >>> J >>Mozilla seems to expect files in streamlf format. So, maybe you need to G >>convert the file after uploading it from PC. I imported my bookmarks  D >>from MOZILLA V1.7.8 on PC to Mozilla V1.7.8 on VMS but I needed to, >>convert the uploaded bookmarks.html first. > J >I uploaded the file in image mode, so it ended up as fixed-512. I used anN >FDL to convert it to stream_lf but this didn't help. The question is, whether >it is at all possible...   L Ok, I got it to work. The trick is to use a STREAM_LF file and to remove theC extra NULLs originating from the padding of the last fix512 record.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:26:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Question about MOUNT in multiple clusters, Message-ID: <42ADC1A9.F3F0E61A@teksavvy.com>  : One of the patches for VAX VMS 7.3 has the following text:  > o  A MOUNT/NOWRITE command on a disk on one cluster  will  nowH              work  correctly  even  if the disk is mounted with a /WRITEH              qualifier on another  cluster  in  the  SAN  (Storage  AreaH              Network).   Previously, depending on the order in which theH              mounts were executed, the mount would fail with  the  error              message:       F I would have understood if the 3rd line had been "qualifier on another node in the cluster".   C But this implies that that seperate clusters despite not having DLM C between each other, will still know about how the other cluster has ? mounted disks ? (or that it would have mounted it). How is that  accomplished ?    A Does the SAN software in the SAN and on VMS provide extra-cluster G resource database that allow any independant system attached to the SAN B (a cluster being an independant system) to know about all the disk= resources being accessed by the others connected to the SAN ?    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2005 05:36:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Some DCL wish items3 Message-ID: <stUdBN$2bIoK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <42a4469d$1@cpns1.saic.com>, Mark Berryman <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com> writes:  0 > Here are some features I'd like to see in DCL.   > 4.H > Define an application ACE for DCL.  When placed on a file, such an ACEI > would specify the privilege mask to use while executing that particular I > command procedure.  It would remain in effect for any inner invokations J > but be removed once the file was exited.  Such an ACE would have Hidden,H > Protected, and NoPropagate attributes and could only be manipulated inI > Kernel mode (it would be useful if a new attribute could be defined for  > this). > G > In addition, if this particular ACE had a subsystem attribute then it I > would contain a rights identifier, rather than privilege mask, to grant 3 > to the process while the file was being executed.  > G > If extended to wish item #1 above, the specified privileges or rights F > would be granted while executing any module from within the library.   > Whadda y'all think?   I My instinctive reaction is to say complex systems should be in a compiled  language rather than DCL.   H My cautious reaction is to say that changing the VMS security model that much is a scary prospect.   K My pragmatic reaction is that making those change would require involvement K of many other developers besides Guy Peleg (because of the security angle).    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2005 07:34:02 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Some DCL wish items3 Message-ID: <gTgHI3rG7S$4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <42a4469d$1@cpns1.saic.com>, Mark Berryman <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com> writes:   > Whadda y'all think?   8    I think if you want a UNIX shell, you should get one.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2005 05:31:47 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: What Terminal Servers are you using? 3 Message-ID: <nSiJasiOvw8a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <mddy89fbdm4.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > ? >> In article <mdd3brpopsr.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson * >> <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: > 3 >>> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > @ >>>> I use DECserver 200s because I do not want to depend on IP. > . >>> So why would you not want to depend on IP? > L >> I would have to run IP on all VMS systems, and in my experience at client+ >> sites configuring IP is a lot more work.  > % > So not for technical reasons, then?   ! Staffing reasons as one analysis.   F But there is also the technical issue of the more components there areE in the rocket the greater the chance that any one of them could fail.   9 Also, we have source listings for most of VMS but not IP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:13:00 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>, Subject: Re: why are alias names a bad idea?) Message-ID: <0mare.6121$tY4.566@trnddc06>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > In article <Jdxqe.675$lb5.542@trnddc04>, John Santos <john@egh.com> 
 > writes:  >  > E >>>>I think startup may be the issue.  Converting the host name to IP F >>>>address of the router requires sending a packet to the DNS server,B >>>>but if your default DNS server isn't local, it can't get thereF >>>>until the IP stack knows the IP address of the gateway.  Catch-22. >>> B >>>This is why nameservers are stored as addresses in the on-disk H >>>configuration.  I was talking of the SET ROUTE command.  At startup, I >>>nameservers are OK since they are stored as addresses, so the name of   >>>the default can be resolved.  >>( >>I know we are talking about SET ROUTE. >>E >>But if your nameserver isn't on your LAN, and your default route is C >>specified by name, you'll have to query the nameserver to get the B >>IP address of the router.  The DNS inquiry has to go through theE >>router to get to the DNS server, but it doesn't know the address of > >>the router until the name (of the router) has been resolved. >  > J > As far as I can tell, the nameserver is stored by address on disk.  So, I > at startup, one can look up the name of the default route.  OK, if the  K > address of the default route is not known, then one is stuck if the name  K > of the route is not accessible locally, i.e. via a nameserver on the LAN  I > or in the hosts file.  However, this would apply whether I specify the  2 > main name OR an alias in the configuration file. >   C This is (almost) exactly what I've been saying.  The "If" clause is D true: if you specify the route by name (or alias) you don't know itsG address, only its name.  You need DNS (or a local name database, called H "hosts" on every system I've ever met up with except UCX/TCPIP Services,E so I keep wanting to say "in your hosts file") to resolve it.  If you E need routing to get to the DNS server (i.e. it's not on the LAN), you 
 are stuck.  I > In my case, the default route is on the LAN, and the address is in the    H Do you mean the DNS server is on the LAN?  The default route is *always*G on the LAN, or at the other end of a point-to-point circuit.  It has to ? be adjacent to your host.  It can't be two (or more) hops away.   I > local hosts file, so names should work---I just don't see why an alias  . > name should be any worse than the main name.   I don't either.    > G > Since starting this thread, I have actually been using an alias, and  I > everything seems OK, but I would like to understand the reason for the   > warning in HELP. >  > L >>>My idea is to speed up manual intervention in the case of a problem with J >>>the DSL router of my hobbyist cluster.  Since changing IP addresses on L >>>VMS is easier than doing so in the router, I would change the IP address L >>>of the default route (it is stored as an address) and switch the alias I G >>>use for the on-disk configuration of the permanent route to another  
 >>>router. >>F >>The question is can the alias be resolved *before* the default route
 >>is known?    >  > K > In my case, yes.  However, if the alias can't be resolved, the main name   > can't either.  >  > E >>Are you sure that ucx set route/perm/gate=... stores the IP address C >>of the gateway in the permanent database rather than whatever you  >>specify?   >  >  > As far as I can tell, yes.  B This makes TCP/IP Services (we need a better name than this... UCX@ was clear and short, but if we use it now, people might think we> are specifically talking about an old version, rather than all? versions of the DEC/Compaq/HP TCP/IP stack) different from most E other stacks.  Most use text files with "add route" commands in them, @ so they use the address or name depending on what you specify in@ the file.  (TCPware and most of the Unix/Linux flavors I've seen* do it this way.  Not sure about Multinet.)   >  > 6 >>If so, I don't see why it makes the slightest bit ofC >>difference whether you specify an address, a locally-defined host E >>name, a DNS-defined host name, or an alias.  It just resolves it to / >>its current address and stores the address.    >  > ! > Right, that's the way I see it.  >  >  >>Maybe the warning D >>pertains to an initial configuration, when the network hasn't been+ >>started yet, and nothing can be resolved?  >  >  > If so, then it is unclear.  7 Unclearness in TCP/IP documentation?  Heaven forbid :-)     = TCPware installation and config docs say to use an IP address @ (not a host name) in @CNFNET, (and imply that you have to supply> an address, not a name) but don't explain why.  They point you? at using "add route" commands in ROUTING.COM if you have a more ? complex configuration.  I'm not sure if they explicitly say so, 3 but ADD ROUTE can take either an address or a name.   B (The address you supply to CNFNET ends up as the value of a symbolB defined in TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM, executed when TCPware starts up.B It doesn't look like CNFNET enforces that it be an address and not> a name, and you can always (against their stern warnings) edit3 TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM to put in whatever you want.)    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.328 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                
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