1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 332       Contents:- Re: Another (simpler) DCL enhancement request - Re: Another (simpler) DCL enhancement request ! Re: backup Encryption PAK/Product ! Re: backup Encryption PAK/Product , Hobbyist OpenVMS won't install on DEC Multia0 Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS won't install on DEC Multia$ Oracle 10gR1 available for Alpha VMSP Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed 2PC Transac  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:24:15 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 6 Subject: Re: Another (simpler) DCL enhancement request2 Message-ID: <zKXre.7143$No7.2261@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <d8pev0$aia$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:  >Charlie Hammond wrote: 8 >> "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> writes:+ >>>>DIFF /IGNORE=COMMENTS /NOQUOTED_STRINGS % >>>.. or maybe to look for DCL-like.. 0 >>>DIFF /IGNORE=COMMENTS /EXCLUDE=QUOTED_STRINGS >>  = >> HMmmm...  I find that DIF /IGNORE=COMMENT _does_ find that  >>>  $ X = F$FAO("!12AS",fred)A >>>and                                                             >>>  $ X = F$FAO("!16AS",fred)I >> are different lines.  Are you asking that they NOT be found different?  > F >For me (using Alpha VMS 7.3-1) $ diff /ignore=comment finds them not I >different. I would like them to be different - I would say that failing  H >to find them different in this way makes /ignore=comment near useless, I >although I can understand the parsing complexity of recognising strings.  >  >What VMS are you both using ?     PEEK> sho sys /noproc I OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node PEEK  15-JUN-2005 11:10:01.45  Uptime  6 22:24:12    PEEK> dif /ignore=comment z  ************! File DISK$PEEK_USER:[HAMMOND]Z.;5       1   $ x =f$fao("!25AS",fred) ******! File DISK$PEEK_USER:[HAMMOND]Z.;4       1   $ x =f$fao("!16AS",fred) ************  & Number of difference sections found: 1% Number of difference records found: 1   ( DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=(COMMENTS)/MERGED=1-!     DISK$PEEK_USER:[HAMMOND]Z.;5-       DISK$PEEK_USER:[HAMMOND]Z.;4  H BUT -- if I add the /COMMENT_DELIMITER qualifier, it does NOT find these differences.  J See HELP DIF /COMMENT for a list of Default COmment Characters for various file types.   ! O.K., this appears to be a "bug". G If somebody will confirm this -- different resutls with and without the F /COMMENT_DELIMITER quallifier -- I will enter a formal problem report.D However, I will not bet one way or the other on whether it will turn* out to be reasonably possible to fix this.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:40:57 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>6 Subject: Re: Another (simpler) DCL enhancement request2 Message-ID: <d8plmp$4a6$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  @ "Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message, news:zKXre.7143$No7.2261@news.cpqcorp.net...  I > If somebody will confirm this -- different resutls with and without the H > /COMMENT_DELIMITER quallifier -- I will enter a formal problem report.  S Yes, it does. But then, "!" isn't a default comment delimiter for files with a null 
 extension.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:46:56 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk* Subject: Re: backup Encryption PAK/Product) Message-ID: <d8pm20$8pu$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <ktGnLVEo1EXM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: K >In article <d8pbit$5c2$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: f >> In article <WfTrpQzPhzbn@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:X >>>In article <11au6i5i0gvo7bc@corp.supernews.com>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> writes:N >>>> Thanxs Larry, So if one is under s/w maint for 8.2 but running 7.3-2, we 2 >>>> should be able to get a PAK for zero dollars? >>> E >>>Not quite.  Look what the product manager says below.  You must be E >>>on V8.2 to take advantage of the bundling of Encryption licensing.  >>> E >>>Do not confuse making the effort to bundle for the future with the G >>>much larger effort required to issue PAKs for free to people running  >>>older VMS versions. >>>  >> What "much larger effort" ?Q >> All it would require is to put a PAK up on a HP website and post the URL here.  > F >Obviously you live in an environment where it is not necessary to get >approvals.  > F >In particular, approvals of giving away something to people who wouldC >otherwise have to have Right To New Versions and thus be providing  >current income to the company.    Great.  M That reminds me of the current advert on UK TV for mortgages lampooning other 3 banks/building societies policies the ending being     "Q: Can I borrow a pencil ?       A: Sorry new customers only"     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:05:06 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> * Subject: Re: backup Encryption PAK/Product0 Message-ID: <11b0nr66s6k0id8@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:L > In article <d8pbit$5c2$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > e >>In article <WfTrpQzPhzbn@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >>X >>>In article <11au6i5i0gvo7bc@corp.supernews.com>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> writes: >>> M >>>>Thanxs Larry, So if one is under s/w maint for 8.2 but running 7.3-2, we  1 >>>>should be able to get a PAK for zero dollars?  >>> E >>>Not quite.  Look what the product manager says below.  You must be E >>>on V8.2 to take advantage of the bundling of Encryption licensing.  >>> E >>>Do not confuse making the effort to bundle for the future with the G >>>much larger effort required to issue PAKs for free to people running  >>>older VMS versions. >>>  >> >>What "much larger effort" ? P >>All it would require is to put a PAK up on a HP website and post the URL here. >  > G > Obviously you live in an environment where it is not necessary to get  > approvals. > G > In particular, approvals of giving away something to people who would D > otherwise have to have Right To New Versions and thus be providing  > current income to the company.  F I can accept the concept that there is plenty of things to do, and no @ time to do things for older versions of VMS, and such.  A valid H argument.  Not quite so valid after David's suggestion.  They could say D "We are making these products part of the base VMS product, and for < those on older versions here are PAKs that will make it so."  H Then there is the concept that some have paid for this in the past, and I it's not fair to give it to others.  Well, giving it away in 8.2 is much  = the same thing.  Not 100% the same, but almost 100% the same.   G I have my own suspicions about such practices.  HP doesn't want people  C staying on their VAX and Alpha hardware.  There will be many small  B 'thorns' for those on VAX and Alpha.  Sometimes just a refusal to E provide things for VAX and Alpha that are provided for itanic, which  I could be done with little or no extra effort.  We've seen this before at   DEC.  E In this case, it seems that for 8.2 on Alpha the product is bundled.  D therefore the customer is entitled to the product if they have 8.2. E Cohering customers to upgrade what they're running, not what they've  F paid for, isn't real helpful.  In this case HP has already gotten the $ 'current income'.  Why ask for more?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2005 01:00:58 -0700 From: george@skygod.demon.co.uk 5 Subject: Hobbyist OpenVMS won't install on DEC Multia C Message-ID: <1118822458.774232.183540@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C I have been searching for information on how to get this installed. B I've bought the Hobbyist media, but it's Alpha v7.3-1 and the only> bootstrap floppy images that I can find are for v7.2-1 so I amE wondering if it's possible to get the 7.2-1 CD or a  bootstrap floppy @ for 7.3-1? I've tried booting with the 7.2-1 bootstrap using the; command "boot dka100,dva0 -if 0,80000" but after the second F confirmation of mounted secondary media prompt the install crashes and returns me to the >>> prompt.   B My Multia has an internal 20Gb laptop IDE drive connected using anD Amiga 44 pin cable; an externally connected XM5701B SCSI CD-ROM  andD 128Mb of RAM and runs NT4.0 server with no problem, but as I startedE out my System Admin days with VMS back in 1990 on a VAX 6510, I still % hanker for tinkering with the VMS OS.   E Can anyone assist or at least point me in the right direction please?    George   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:24:48 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> 9 Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS won't install on DEC Multia 4 Message-ID: <42afe5d1$0$31269$626a14ce@news.free.fr>    george@skygod.demon.co.uk wrote: ../.. D > My Multia has an internal 20Gb laptop IDE drive connected using anF > Amiga 44 pin cable; an externally connected XM5701B SCSI CD-ROM and  ../.. G > Can anyone assist or at least point me in the right direction please?   > VMS Faq 14.4.1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/openvms_faq.html   D. --  1 Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien - VMS / SAP 0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2005 10:01:01 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> - Subject: Oracle 10gR1 available for Alpha VMS B Message-ID: <1118854861.964921.60520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  A For you Oracle RDBMS (not Rdb) fans out there, Oracle has finally C released 10gR1 for Alpha VMS.  There are 9 (!) VMS BAckup save sets A totalling about 4GB (!!!) encompassing the 10g Enterprise Edition G including RAC (clustering).  Also available is a small DCL command file F to set logicals for JAVA and ODS-5 options required.  I can't get intoF Metalink at the moment to check but I believe this release is (or willC be) qualified for VMS V7.3-2 and V8.2.  This release is Alpha only. A Oracle 10gR2, due out this fall is slated for both Alpha and IA64 D platforms.  This is available for license under the Oracle DeveloperC License, which is similar to the VMS Hobbyist License for VMS.  You B need an Oracle OTN account (free) to download.  See the OTN site <- http://www.oracle.com/technology/index.html >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:05:40 GMT ! From: HansF <News.Hans@telus.net> Y Subject: Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed 2PC Transac 6 Message-ID: <pan.2005.06.15.15.08.41.333180@telus.net>   Richard,  J Please be aware that the preferred location for such an annoucement in the8 Oracle community is 'comp.database.oracle.marketplace'.   F Many thanks, in advance, for keeping this in mind for future messages.   /Hans    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.332 ************************