1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 19 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 340       Contents:- Re: Avoiding domain mismatch (TCPIP Services)  Re: BA35x, SWXCC-22  Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm  Re: New OpenVMS Planet Website+ RE: OpenVMS Roadmap June 2005 now available  Re: Problem with reboot  Re: RZ29B and BA350  Re: RZ29B and BA350   Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in EuropeB Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe (was: New OpenVMS Planet Website)P Re: Way off topic - I caused 9/11 (Was Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Jun 2005 22:41:29 -0700* From: "Alder" <TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com>6 Subject: Re: Avoiding domain mismatch (TCPIP Services)C Message-ID: <1119159689.720490.315060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Wow.  I think you did it, JF!   D BIND seems to run OK now, though I cannot simply ping an unqualifiedD hostname on my network; I have to fully qualify it with my arbitraryF domain.  The same domain issue  (Local domain: ** Mismatch **) remainsA in SHOW NAME_SERVICE, but here's something that might suggest the  reason:   / $ tcpip set route /default /gateway=192.168.0.1 B %TCPIP-E-ROUTEERROR, error accessing routes database (TCPIP$ROUTE)5 -SYSTEM-F-FILALRACC, file already accessed on channel   G Any ideas on what "channel" is accessing the routes database, or how to 
 correct this?   
 Thanks again,    Alder      JF Mezei wrote:  > Alder wrote: > >> $ type tcpip$bind_run.log > > $ Set NoOn3 > > $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY"))  > F > BTW, you can TCPIP SET NAME/INIT and it will reload your bind serverI > files, and then use $TYPE/TAIL to get the new listing. (it continues to  > write to the same log file). > K > > Fri 17 14:36:30 WARNING: dns_master_load: 192_168_0_IN-ADDR_ARPA.DB:14:  > > TTL set  > > to prior TTL (1)K > > Fri 17 14:36:30 WARNING: dns_master_load: 192_168_0_IN-ADDR_ARPA.DB:15:  > > TTL set  > > to prior TTL (1)K > > Fri 17 14:36:30 WARNING: dns_master_load: 192_168_0_IN-ADDR_ARPA.DB:16:  > > TTL set  > > to prior TTL (1) > : > what is the TTL value in the 192_168_0_IN-ADDR_ARPA.DB ? > D > I just realised, those are not version numbers 14, 15,16, they are8 > probably line numbers. It is a colon, not a semicolon. > F > > Fri 17 14:36:30 WARNING: dns_master_load: EREBUS_CA.DB:3: ignoring  > > out-of-zone data (erebus.ca)H > > Fri 17 14:36:30 ERROR: dns_rdata_fromtext: EREBUS_CA.DB:3: near eol: > > unexpected > > end of input > D > In the conf file, does it say ZONE "EREBUS.CA" ? and then point to > erebus_CA.DB file ?  >  > zone "EREBUS.CA" in {  >         type master; >         file "EREBUS_CA.DB"; > }; > B > Make sure you have the terminating curly bracket and semi colon; > G > In the DB file itself, if the DB file doesn't have the zone data BIND H > expects based on what it was told to expect in the .CONF file that may# > explain the "end of file message.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:13:32 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: BA35x, SWXCC-22$ Message-ID: <d8kpdc$iri$1@online.de>  G In article <42ad3d77$0$52457$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>, Alex van Denzel   <vandenzel@hotmail.com> writes:   L > > I'm trying to figure out if a BA35x (i.e. BA350 or BA356) is a BA350 or K > > a BA356, i.e. will it support wide (BA356) drives or not (BA350).  One  J > > label says BA35x and the other says SWXCC-22.  Does anyone know  what B > > this is?  (I don't have it yet, so I can't test out anything.) > J > Check the SCSI connectors on the BA35x. If they are 50pins its a narrow > > bus, if they are 68pins connectors, its a wide bus. I guess.  4 The connectors on my BA350 and BA356 are all narrow.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jun 2005 11:06:55 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119118015.308635.139960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > > WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:  > > > $ WAIT 00:00:00 & > > > $ INIT/OVER=EXPIR MKA100: MTH_BA? > > > $ BACKUP/REWIND/LOG/LIST=BACK.LOG/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/RECORD  > > > DKC0:[*...]*.* -< > > >   MKA100:SYS_DKC0.BCK/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/NOASSISTG > > > $ BACKUP/NOREWIND/LOG/LIST=BACK.LOG/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/RECORD  > > > DKA0:[*...]*.* -< > > >   MKA100:SYS_DKA0.BCK/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/NOASSIST > > > $ LOGOUT > > > $  [...] D > To the OP: You might want to place the qualifiers in their "right"" > places to make it more readable: > I > $ BACKUP/NOASS/IMAGE/VERIFY/RECORD/LOG/LIST=BACK.LOG/IGNORE=INTERLOCK -  >   DKC0: - : >   MKA100:SYS_DCK0.BCK/LABEL=MTH_BA/REWIND/MED=COMPACTION > / > and similarly for your second BACKUP command.  >   F Oh! And add /BLOCK=32256 after COMPACTION to use more efficient recordG blocking. (You can go higher, but then you'll never be able to copy the E save set from tape to disk.) The default value for /BLOCK on magnetic C tapes is 8192, but try 32256. If it works, your backups will run in 
 less time.     > J > > With /IMAGE, you also want /NOALIAS which will save much space on yourE > > tape and time, preventing files from being copied more than once.  > B > OK. In VMS there are alias directories on the system disk. UsingD > /NOALIAS (which in some versions of VMS may be the default) avoids9 > copying the alias copies which would just be redundant.  > H > And for future reference: Please post the error messages and post them > verbatim. Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:21:04 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Backup Procedure 0 Message-ID: <11b9lhl2r535l08@corp.supernews.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > Brad Hamilton wrote: >  >> WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote: >>J >>> I believe only one saveset gets created because attempting to list the4 >>> second saveset with the following command fails: >>> * >>> BACKUP/LIST MKA100:SYS_DKA0.BCK/REWIND >>> I >>> %BACKUP-F-OPENIN, error opening MKA100:[000000]SYS_DKA0.BCK; as input & >>> -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file >>>  >>= >> I have no access to a tape drive, so I can't confirm this:  >>K >> Try adding the /SAVE_SET qualifier (MKA100:SYS_DKA0.BCK/REWIND/SAVE_SET)  >>J >> When I did a test on my home system, I created a save set on disk, and G >> attempted to list it without /SAVE_SET.  The error message that was   >> returned was: >>5 >> RABBIT::BRAD$ backup/list mindisk:[backup]brad.bck 8 >> %BACKUP-F-LISINPSAV, /LIST requires save set as input >>F >> but adding the /SAVE_SET qualifier allowed me to read the save set. >  > J > I also questioned the ommision of the /SAVE_SET switch, but I looked at F > the documentation and it stated that /SAVE_SET was the default when J > going to tape.  So, I didn't mention it being missing.  That said, I've > > never attempted to create a save set without being specific. > # > Maybe the documentation is wrong?  >   C Not too happy with what I wrote.  I checked HELP, not the doc set.  E Also, it didn't say it was the default, it just sort of implied that.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:14:09 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm0 Message-ID: <11b8sh61sdkpaf1@corp.supernews.com>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:  = > Are we still waiting for evidence of this no-fly list JF ??   D No.  It became a total joke when it included US Senator Ted Kennedy.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:44:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm, Message-ID: <42B4798A.C6724517@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:G > I'm not sure how to approach the issue that since there was no treaty E > banning use of chemical weapons the is an implication that such use  > wasn't a crime.     G If you can charge a country for use of weapons before such weapons were A banned, then you can get both Iraq and the USA. and probably many + others.  Remember agent Orange in Vietnam ?   B As I recall, the chemical/bio wepons treaty was signed n 1992-1993 timeframe.    H This is like giving you a ticket because 10 years ago, before they put aG stop sign at an intersection, you went though many times without making  a stop.   @ > But now he wants to say that Israel is wrong to (perhaps) haveH > something, that has never been proved, has never been used, (excludingI > possible testing), when they have never signed a treaty forbidding them  > to do so.   G The allegations about Israel having the bomb are far more credible than ? the allegations of Iran wanting a bomb. The scientists who have C publically admitted to Israel having a bomb have been imprisoned by H Israel.  If Israel didn't have the bomb, why would it refuse to sign the" nuclear non proliferation treaty ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:53:01 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm= Message-ID: <n5udndEk05NDLinfRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com>    Doc. wrote: ; > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in news:11b8rdrd5tilrf4  > @corp.supernews.com  >  > ! >>Doc is right, you are an idiot!  >  > C > If I used those precise words, then it wasn't quite what I meant.   F It seems possible that Dave was referring to the other (and currently 5 more vocal) 'Dr.' who has contributed to this thread.    ...   J > So, I wouldn't call him an idiot.  I'd just say he's got tinfoil and he  > knows how to use it. :-)  G I always feel some ambivalence about agreeing too whole-heartedly with  F JF myself, because I consider him to embody the definition of being a 
 loose cannon.   E That said, when one ignores his more blatant inaccuracies and wilder  G speculations (something which people like me find difficult to do, but  H I've learned that correcting him on details is usually not a productive I use of my time), there is often a great deal more than a kernel of truth   in what he says.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:34:39 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Planet Website 0 Message-ID: <11b8tnsnu2tl5e7@corp.supernews.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  >>J >> There is a new OpenVMS community website sponsored by the PARSEC Group. >>  >> http://www.openvmsplanet.org/ >  > J > Yes. They had a booth in the Sheraton Tara last week. I hat a chat with K > someone from the booth. I asked how they would compare with Ken Farmer's  0 > openvms.org. Their answer did not convince me. > M > To me it is a gateway towards making $$$, not a fiendly corner as Ken's is.   6 You once asked me "What's wrong with making $$$?"  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:29:34 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 4 Subject: RE: OpenVMS Roadmap June 2005 now availableR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB650B8A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Keith Cayemberg [mailto:keith.cayemberg@arcor.de]=20 > Sent: June 17, 2005 3:36 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject: OpenVMS Roadmap June 2005 now available >=209 > For those of you who (like me) didn't noticed till now.  >=20) > OpenVMS Roadmap June 2005 now available @ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm >=20 > Powerpoint@ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/OpenVMS_roadmaps_fil > es/openvms_roadmaps.ppt  >=20 > PDF @ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/OpenVMS_roadmaps_fil > es/openvms_roadmaps.pdf  >=20 > PDF with speaker notes@ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/OpenVMS_roadmaps_fil > es/openvms_roadmaps_notes.pdf  >=20 > PostScript@ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/OpenVMS_roadmaps_fil > es/openvms_roadmaps.ps >=20 > PostScript Zipped @ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/OpenVMS_roadmaps_fil > es/openvms_roadmaps.zip  >=20 >=20	 > Cheers!  >=20 > K.C. >=20    ? Also, the web site with HP Applications being ported to OpenVMS 4 Integrity servers has also been updated - reference:  > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/openvms_plans.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jun 2005 19:52:46 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>  Subject: Re: Problem with reboot7 Message-ID: <Xns9679DEAF9F89Ddcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   E %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, JF Mezei wrote in news:42B4552C.EF93F5A8@teksavvy.com    > "Doc." wrote: # >> I edited MODPARAMS.DAT and added  >> SHADOWING=2 >> ALLOCLASS=2 > E > This may sound stupid, but is the allocation class 2 unique to this  > node on the cluster ?   G Yes.  We've assigned ALLOCLASSes to all the nodes, and ALLOCLASS 42 for  LD.   G > Also, do you have other system disks already mounted as shadowsets on F > other nodes, and VMS might try to form a new shadowset for this node* > and find that the name is already used ?  = We're not in a situation where shadowed system disks would be 
 appropriate.    H > As the faulty node boots, you should do a show dev d to see what shops > up from the faulty node.   Well, it's back now.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:17:55 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>  Subject: Re: RZ29B and BA3504 Message-ID: <42b49da1$0$13230$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   William Webb wrote:   F > The most common mistake I see with BA boxes occurs with systems withB > onboard SCSI that also has an external connector coming from the > motherboard. .  9 My BA box has just a controller which plugs to the Alpha.   P The Alpha has one internal SCSI controller for the RX, with a smaller plug than P the standard 56 pins wide one, and two SCSI plugs from two SCSCI boards inside. L I will not unpack the box now but maybe one day, to figure out which one is M needed... But what I do remember is that one card is two slots long (is that  ( ISA?), the other one one slot long only.  E > Following the natural tendency of humans to want to fill up all the F > empty slots, people will load the BA shelf up with disks, completelyB > overlooking the fact that their system also has * internal* SCSIH > devices at one or more of the addresses at which they have just placed > StorageWorks disks.   L My system disk is an IDE one (the box is a former NT/Linux box), which name O DKA0. The CD-ROM (IDE going to become an SCSCI one) is DKA400, and in the BA I  Q plugged the two SWXD3 in slots 2 and 5 which gives me DKA200 and DKA500. The box  ) was purchased with these two disks in it.   E > Also, if you're using a KZPBA PCI host bus adapter in your -au, you 6 > can't use both the internal and external interfaces.  G I'll tell you when I open the box. For the moment, I'm installing CSWB.  Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:20:03 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>  Subject: Re: RZ29B and BA3504 Message-ID: <42b49e17$0$13230$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Didier Morandi wrote:   H > The Alpha has one internal SCSI controller for the RX, with a smaller ) > plug than the standard 56 pins wide one    Read 50 pins narrow, pls.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:19:50 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe / Message-ID: <11b9ovujq7k454@corp.supernews.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> Didier Morandi wrote: >> >>> Keith Cayemberg wrote: >>> L >>>> There is a new OpenVMS community website sponsored by the PARSEC Group. >>>>" >>>> http://www.openvmsplanet.org/ >>>  >>> G >>> Yes. They had a booth in the Sheraton Tara last week. I hat a chat  I >>> with someone from the booth. I asked how they would compare with Ken  ; >>> Farmer's openvms.org. Their answer did not convince me.  >>> F >>> To me it is a gateway towards making $$$, not a fiendly corner as 
 >>> Ken's is.  >> >>9 >> You once asked me "What's wrong with making $$$?"  :-)  >  > K > Correct. There is nothing wrong. What I mean is that Ken's is a fRiendly  I > site, that new one seems to me to be more business oriented. There was  K > no negative tone in my sentence. As I'm currently doing the same with my  I > site for VMS consulting in Europe, I would be badly positionned (as we   > say in French :-)  > J > Btw, I'm starting a book: The VAX/VMS to Itanium migration (in French). J > If you have ideas, please forward to didier dot morandi at freesurf dot M > fr and your name and data will be mentioned in the ack page if you want to.  > I > When a publisher is ok for publication, I will translate it in English   > and submit it to DP. > I > If we do not help those VAX/VMS Customers to be convinced that THEY DO  J > NOT HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION that going I64, "we" will loose them all in 8 " > years time (end of VAX support). >  > D.  E I'm really beginning to wonder about emulation of specific hardware.  H Face it, anyone on VAX isn't too worried about speed, new features, and J such.  They have a solution, and they want to continue to have a solution.  H We've read statements that Charon VAX on some of the latest hardware is G faster than any 'real' VAX.  As long as the emulator is supported, VMS  G on VAX is supported, and the new hardware is supported, there exists a   'solution'.   C If HP won't continue to support VAX, though at this time I have to  F wonder just what that means since so few new features make it to VAX, G then perhaps someone else could do so.  It's happened with some of the   PDP-11 Operating Systems.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:21:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> K Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe (was: New OpenVMS Planet Website) , Message-ID: <42B4AC6B.EF71992A@teksavvy.com>   Didier Morandi wrote: P > Btw, I'm starting a book: The VAX/VMS to Itanium migration (in French). If youE > have ideas, please forward to didier dot morandi at freesurf dot fr   K By the time your book is ready, the port to the 8086 will be well underway.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:30:07 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Y Subject: Re: Way off topic - I caused 9/11 (Was Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in 9 Message-ID: <KM4te.18999$yU.884402@news20.bellglobal.com>   > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message7 news:42b4b798$0$67258$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...  >  [...snip...]E > I am now responsible by association of thought, for the 9/11 act of K > terrorism.  That is a first for me. It is an interesting twist if nothing G > else, and American blasting a non-American for essentially taking the ; > trheoretical pro-western christian civilisation position.  >   K Self deprecating statements aside, the only people responsible for 9/11 are ; "radical Islamists" (which have nothing to do with Muslims)   G > And yes, I am all for disbanding the UN - I do not think it is a very I > useful organisation.  Feel free to disagree, as is your right - a right , > for which many people have died defending. >   K The UN is the only organization dedicated to governments communicating with H other governments. Over the years, many people have made statements likeH "the UN hasn't prevented a single conflict" or "the UN has no value" butJ these statements are subjective because we don't have multiple worlds withL which we can perform multiple double blind tests. Since we have no idea whatH the world would be like without a UN, it is better to err on the side of& caution and keep (and support) the UN.  F (ps. I'm not advocating a single world government; I just believe that- diplomacy is usually more effective than war)   G I can understand some of the frustration New Yorker's have with foreign @ ambassadors flaunting city and state laws. But I wonder how manyI Americans would change their opinion on the matter if the UN was moved to L Geneva? Neocons would be OK with this idea because the US is powerful enoughK to go it's own way for quite some time, but eventually the US economy would 6 weaken and the US would want to be involved in the UN.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.340 ************************