1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 19 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 341       Contents: CONTEST: best Handheld for... 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm P Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in a  Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe  Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in EuropeP Re: Way off topic - I caused 9/11 (Was Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:34:18 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> & Subject: CONTEST: best Handheld for...3 Message-ID: <42b5ac9f$0$1318$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   H I had my Palm Pilot 505 aged 5 stolen in my car yesterday (no, I had no  passwords lists inside...)  & So it is time for me to get a new one.  ' What is your best choice to be able to:    read my mail	 telephone  log into my Alpha   < and all other standard time management and phone list tasks?   Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 00:51:07 -0700 From: icerq4a@spray.se< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119167467.701384.101480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Correct.  D The Bush Administration didn't make good use of the support they had after 9/11.   G They totally lacked the diplomatic skills needed and started insulting. C To make things worse, parts of the US media helped in the insulting  way.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 00:38:30 -0700 From: icerq4a@spray.se< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119166709.946263.181760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E I think you should worry about what the world thinks. George Bush may F actually be good for the world, but he is for certain not good for theB USA. I also think George has some good intentions altough they areG clouded by religious beliefs. Before 2001 many where kind of neutral or E positive towards the USA, and that was the majority (there has always C been people who really dislike USA, but they have been a minority). G After 2001 most of those who were neutral has turned to being negative. A When George Bush entered the administration the diplomatic skills G collapsed and have gone to an all-time-low and now we have the results.   D A simple example. Would you start a worldwide company today with the* word "american" in its name? Probably not.  E People of the world have also begun to have second thoughts when they > see "Made in USA" on the stuff they buy. Is this good the USA?   Is FOX News good for the USA?   ) Is the torture scandals good for the USA?   G Many outside USA who believed in the "american way" have been betrayed. B It will probably take decades until USA will regain the diplomaticG recognition it once had. If that does not worry you, then I am worried.   B Bill Todd makes me happy in this case, he is a proof that there is still hope for mankind.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 01:32:18 -0700 From: icerq4a@spray.se< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmB Message-ID: <1119169938.788967.27590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  @ US have not earned or deserved acts of terrorisms, but there areF reasons why there is hate against the US, and I am certain that the USD could have made different decisions in the past that could have made this hate less.   G The US support for Israel is one example. The US refuse UN peace troops B in the occupied areas and thus indrectly support the Israeli armys7 humiliation of the people in the Palestine territories.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 01:58:00 -0700 From: icerq4a@spray.se< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119171479.974118.193540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dr. Dweeb wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Dave Froble wrote:G > >> I keep seeing references to US practices that 'earned' this act of 1 > >> terrorism.  I never seem to see any details.  > >  > > G > > Big one is the whole USA policy on middle east. Its constant use of A > > VETO at the security council for any resolution that wants to G > > punish/criticise Israel for its bad things, while always supporting E > > resolutions that criticise Palestine for its bad things. From the F > > middle east point of view, this makes the USA a clear supporter of+ > > Israel and an enemy of the middle east.  > >  > L > Yes, they support the only democracy in the middle east.  Dictatorships do > not like democracies.   B So, if you are a democracy and wear suits, whatever you do is OK ?  H > > Then there are the cultural issues of USA multinational corporations@ > > nudging their way into those different cultures (think Coke,I > > McDonalds, hollywood movies etc). The corporations themselves have no G > > evil motives, and the young people in those countries readily adopt E > > their goods. But it erodes their culture and the older people see  > > this as imperialism. > >  > E > Welcome to the world of capital.  Get over it or join the communist 
 > revolution.   - Hilarious black and white kind of thinking... < "If you are against us you are with the terrorist/communist"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 06:29:33 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119187773.467177.136730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ; sorry Billy ... you and your self proclaimed genius liberal : buddies are in the minority ... this is a Christian nation7 and will always be until the rapture, at which time you 9 and your left behind fools will find out the hard way who = is right ... after 7 years under the antichrist, you will not = have the same attitude ... unfortunately if you do not change ; your attitude and follow him, you will be shaking your head 9 and questioning yourself for all eternity under some very  hot conditions ...   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 06:35:57 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119188157.071462.312930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G My all time favorite.  "Of course God exists, it says so in the bible."   C My only question is why one work of fiction is treated as fact, and  none of the others?    > every word of the Bible is fact Dave ... nothing has ever been
 disproven ... > scientists now know we all came from the same parents (goodbyeB evolution) and that just one star out of alignment would throw the2 whole universe into chaos (intelligent design) ...  G you think Moses was just a story ... try this link ... then tell me how  it is just all fiction ...   http://www.jimandpenny.com/en/   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 13:35:31 -0400! From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm+ Message-ID: <d94ad3$ere$1@panix5.panix.com>   = In article <42b5a809$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, 2 Dr. Dweeb <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote: >Dave Froble wrote:  >> Doc. wrote:= >>> %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in news:11b8rdrd5tilrf4  >>> @corp.supernews.com  >>>  >>> $ >>>> Doc is right, you are an idiot! >>>  >>> E >>> If I used those precise words, then it wasn't quite what I meant.  >>( >> From your post of June 17 at 4:22 PM: >> >> Beware, ad hominum attack:  >> >> You are an idiot. >>6 >>> JF can be a valuable contributor to the newsgroup, >> >> I would agree with that.  >> >>> but the majority of his  >>> posts are more political,  >>F >> The real problem with his political posts is that he has an agenda,C >> and when he replies to any post, it isn't rational debate of the D >> content of the post he's replying to, it's more rhetoric from his
 >> agenda./ >>> and particularly negative about the the US.  >>H >> As he's free to do.  However, based upon much of the 20th Century, he, >> might owe some of that freedom to the US. >>I >> Still, as we Americans like to say, I may not agree with what he says, ) >> but I will defend his right to say it.  >>I >>> [Before Bill Todd jumps in I'll point out that _I_ think a lot of the H >>> criticism is justified, but this may not be an appropriate forum for >>> it.] >>H >> As do I.  Bush has been Bin Laden's best and most successful agent in
 >> the US. >>H >>> So, I wouldn't call him an idiot.  I'd just say he's got tinfoil and >>> he knows how to use it. :-)  >>> E >>> As to the can of worms that is US policy on Israel, do you really ? >>> think the Middle East would be such a mess if the US hadn't # >>> recognised the state of Israel?  >>>  >>> 7 >>> Doc. (who may well regret saying anything on this).  >>G >> At some time you have to say "this is how things are".  A lot of the G >> problems in SE Europe are, as far as I understand it, people killing I >> each other over something that happened hundreds or thousands of years I >> ago.  At some point we have to say, "Now is now!", and go on from that 	 >> point.  >>F >> The British moved the Jews to what is now Israel.  The Arabs didn't@ >> like it and took military action against the Jews.  They wereC >> unsuccessful. One might say that today is a continuation of that G >> confrontation, and anybody that is in any way associated with Israel , >> would be considered enemies by the Arabs. >> > N >In a nutshell.  The Koran does not say "kill al the Jews", it in fact refers L >to them as (IIRC) a "tribe of the desert" in the same breath as other arab I >tribes.  The "kill all the Jews" thing is a modern thing (at least post  H >600AD :-) ) , and untilthe arabs get past it, no progress will be made. >     E About 3% of the Iraqi population was historically Jewish, most living B in Baghdad. They began to leave as the Zionist movement started inD Palestine. I read that the bad stuff the Koran sata about Jews is in> the context of a revolt that happened early in Muslim history.     --    a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m   ! Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2005 06:44:33 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com Y Subject: Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in a B Message-ID: <1119188673.869515.50140@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  - oh I have, I have ... families falling apart, + divorce rates sky high, drugs, aids, crime, ( abortion ... all from our genius liberal( buddies from havard and yale ... we were% promised the garden of eden, and look ' what we have ... and you can trace this # all back to 1962 when public school ) prayer was abandoned ... this country was , created on Christian principles ... and that) is what made this country ... but now you ' and other fools are tearing it down and ) slowly destroying it ... without God, you . will fail, and the current social climate only+ proves this ... I believe George Bush to be * a God fearing man who is trying to restore. this nation to its moral foundations while you* and your liberal fools want to continue to) takes us through the cesspool of hell ... ) yes, I can see exactly what has been done - to this country, and I don't like living in a 
 toilet ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:31:36 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 3 Message-ID: <42b5abfc$0$1318$636a15ce@news.free.fr>    Michel HERRSCHER wrote: : > may be off subject but there is a FREEVMS initiative ...  * We know, Michel... http://www.freevms.org/   :-)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:34:25 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 0 Message-ID: <11bbb25ri2v5779@corp.supernews.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>H >> I'm really beginning to wonder about emulation of specific hardware. G >> Face it, anyone on VAX isn't too worried about speed, new features,  H >> and such.  They have a solution, and they want to continue to have a  >> solution. >>H >> We've read statements that Charon VAX on some of the latest hardware I >> is faster than any 'real' VAX.  As long as the emulator is supported,  E >> VMS on VAX is supported, and the new hardware is supported, there   >> exists a 'solution'.  >>F >> If HP won't continue to support VAX, though at this time I have to I >> wonder just what that means since so few new features make it to VAX,  J >> then perhaps someone else could do so.  It's happened with some of the  >> PDP-11 Operating Systems. >  > 3 > This is what I wrote on that subject end of 2003:  > : > http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310en.pdf: > http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf: > http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200312en.pdf > K > And the conclusion from the "field" is that a Windoz PC is NOT a serious  & > replacement for an ever working VAX.  G If all we end up with is x86, then everything is a PC.  A PC running a  H VAX emulator would then allow you to run a decent operating system.  If I the alternative is a PC running windows, then maybe the conclusion needs  
 to change.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:24:20 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> Y Subject: Re: Way off topic - I caused 9/11 (Was Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in = Message-ID: <42b5aa43$0$67258$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Neil Rieck wrote: @ > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message9 > news:42b4b798$0$67258$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...  >> > [...snip...]F >> I am now responsible by association of thought, for the 9/11 act ofD >> terrorism.  That is a first for me. It is an interesting twist ifE >> nothing else, and American blasting a non-American for essentially G >> taking the trheoretical pro-western christian civilisation position.  >> > D > Self deprecating statements aside, the only people responsible forF > 9/11 are "radical Islamists" (which have nothing to do with Muslims) > H >> And yes, I am all for disbanding the UN - I do not think it is a veryD >> useful organisation.  Feel free to disagree, as is your right - a3 >> right for which many people have died defending.  >> > : > The UN is the only organization dedicated to governmentsC > communicating with other governments. Over the years, many people G > have made statements like "the UN hasn't prevented a single conflict" F > or "the UN has no value" but these statements are subjective becauseB > we don't have multiple worlds with which we can perform multipleC > double blind tests. Since we have no idea what the world would be C > like without a UN, it is better to err on the side of caution and  > keep (and support) the UN.  , My statement was also explicitly subjective.  H > (ps. I'm not advocating a single world government; I just believe that/ > diplomacy is usually more effective than war)  >   
 Sometimes.  A > I can understand some of the frustration New Yorker's have with E > foreign ambassadors flaunting city and state laws. But I wonder how G > many Americans would change their opinion on the matter if the UN was G > moved to Geneva? Neocons would be OK with this idea because the US is = > powerful enough to go it's own way for quite some time, but D > eventually the US economy would weaken and the US would want to be > involved in the UN.  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.; > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.341 ************************                                                                                                    