1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 21 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 345       Contents: Re: 3rd party scsi controllers! Re: Another DCL CHallenge for Guy  Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure! Re: CHARON-VAX demo: not a bug #2 ) HP, Encompass User Group Break New Ground 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm  Re: OpenVMS and XML questions  Re: OpenVMS and XML questions  Re: OpenVMS and XML questions  PLUG: txt2pdf 8.2  Re: Problem with reboot  Re: Problem with reboot < Re: RdbSQL> set session authorisation 'persona :ws_integer';" Re: several new 7.3-2 patches!!!!!" Re: several new 7.3-2 patches!!!!!( Re: Something wrong with MicroVAX m10e ?  Re: UCX connect function timeout  Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe  Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe  Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP?P RE: [SPAM] - Re: Hackers and Microsoft Engineers, very amusing -	Found word(s) cP RE: [SPAM] - Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters M	ontvale, Itani  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 10:15:39 -0700; From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> ' Subject: Re: 3rd party scsi controllers C Message-ID: <1119374139.440362.234910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   A I wanted to use the 2940 with VMS. I already use them with Win2k.  phillip    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 07:45:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Another DCL CHallenge for Guy3 Message-ID: <EEPOX41iSQUb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <42B75913.71D9698C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > E > No "guessing" involved. The system manager sets up the .CLD per the 6 > site's requirements. Very methodical and scientific.  G    And trivial to defeat.  Security by obscurity, which is why I wanted     it as a SIR.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 05:58:42 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119358722.088320.231140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Mike Rechtman wrote: > WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:  > > J > > Let me preface this inquiry by saying that I am new to VMS.  So please > > don't tear me a new one. > > J > > We use the backup procedure  below to backup our system and data disksG > > to tape.  However, only the first saveset in the procedure actually I > > gets created.  As far as I can tell from the documentation I've read, C > > my commands seem correct. The tape should have more than enough F > > capacity.  Any insight is greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance. > >  > > $ WAIT 00:00:00 $ > > $ INIT/OVER=EXPIR MKA100: MTH_BAN > > $ BACKUP/REWIND/LOG/LIST=BACK.LOG/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/RECORD DKC0:[*...]*.* -: > >   MKA100:SYS_DKC0.BCK/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/NOASSISTV > > $ BACKUP/NOREWIND/LOG/LIST=BACK.LOG/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/RECORD DKA0:[*...]*.* -: > >   MKA100:SYS_DKA0.BCK/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/NOASSIST > > $ LOGOUT > > $  >  > H > Some commands that have already been made, and one I haven't seen yet:- > 1. Add $SET NOON before the BACKUP commands   7     Good. ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN EXIT would also be good.   @ > 2. WAIT 0:0:0 loses your  CURRENT status - that's all it does.  <     Please clarify. What does this have to do with anything?   > 3. LOGOUT is not neccessary   	     True.   3 > 4. Either backup from [*...]  *or*  backup /IMAGE  > and   %     Yes. This is his primary problem.   + > 5. I suggest changing the INIT command to 2 >    $ INIT/OVER=EXPIR /MEDIA=COMP  MKA100: MTH_BA# >                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^   D     Not necessary. He specified /REWIND which means BACKUP will INITC and MOUNT the tape. Compaction will be enabled. Using /IGNORE=LABEL F would take care of ignoring the expiration date. If one wishes to haveG both the INIT and BACKUP command, one could put /OVER=EXPIRE/MEDIA=COMP E on the INIT command and remove the /REWIND from the BACKUP command. I ? wouldn't remove the /MEDIA=COMP from the BACKUP command for two E reasons: 1.) It is needed if subsequent volumes are needed. 2.) It is > needed if you have a version of VMS in which /MEDIA=COMPACTION2 sometimes doesn't work for some commands or cases.  G And I think it would be more readable if he put the qualifiers in their  correct places.    > Mike >  > --G > --------------------------------------------------------------------- G > Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. A > Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F > Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337D >   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"G > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  > Version: 3.1< > GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$8 > PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@! > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 09:30:51 -0700 From: WeLikeNuts@gmail.com Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119371451.593944.234700@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   F Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem.; Thanks to all who posted to this thread.  Your help is much F appreciated, and I'll certainly comb back through and try to integrate, the various suggestions made.  Thanks again.  F Also, for those wondering why there was a wait statement for 0 secondsD in there.....it gets modified quite frequently, it just happens thatD the day I copied and pasted it to the message was a day we wanted toF run the procedure immediatley.  Suppose I could have commented it out, but it's all the same right?   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 09:51:42 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119372702.428242.288020@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote: H > Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem.= > Thanks to all who posted to this thread.  Your help is much H > appreciated, and I'll certainly comb back through and try to integrate. > the various suggestions made.  Thanks again.  E You mean the BACKUP command containing both /IMAGE and DKC0:[*...]*.* ! worked? If it did, I'm surprised.    > H > Also, for those wondering why there was a wait statement for 0 secondsF > in there.....it gets modified quite frequently, it just happens thatF > the day I copied and pasted it to the message was a day we wanted toH > run the procedure immediatley.  Suppose I could have commented it out, > but it's all the same right?   OK.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:52:19 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>  Subject: Re: Backup Procedure A Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050621124926.07353018@mail.patmedia.net>   ( --=====================_1613837996==.ALT; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed   2 At 12:30 PM 6/21/2005, WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:G >Also, for those wondering why there was a wait statement for 0 seconds E >in there.....it gets modified quite frequently, it just happens that E >the day I copied and pasted it to the message was a day we wanted to G >run the procedure immediatley.  Suppose I could have commented it out,  >but it's all the same right?   @ How do you normally run the procedure? Submitting it to a Batch @ Queue? If so, take the wait statement out. When you want to run E immediately, just do a submit. Other times, do a "submit/after" (see  A help submit/after) to keep it from starting immediately. Or do a  B submit/hold and release it when you want it to run. Why take up a $ process slot when you don't have to?   Ken ( --=====================_1613837996==.ALT+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"    <html> <body>C <font size=3>At 12:30 PM 6/21/2005, WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:<br> F <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Also, for those wondering why, there was a wait statement for 0 seconds<br>H in there.....it gets modified quite frequently, it just happens that<br>H the day I copied and pasted it to the message was a day we wanted to<br>F run the procedure immediatley.&nbsp; Suppose I could have commented it out,<br>- but it's all the same right?</blockquote><br> I How do you normally run the procedure? Submitting it to a Batch Queue? If G so, take the wait statement out. When you want to run immediately, just A do a submit. Other times, do a &quot;submit/after&quot; (see help G submit/after) to keep it from starting immediately. Or do a submit/hold G and release it when you want it to run. Why take up a process slot when  you don't have to?<br><br> Ken</font></body>  </html>   * --=====================_1613837996==.ALT--   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 10:23:24 -0700 From: WeLikeNuts@gmail.com Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119374604.900298.322270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>     AEF   Jun 21, 12:51 pm:   >WeLikeN...@gmail.com wrote:I >> Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem. > >> Thanks to all who posted to this thread.  Your help is muchI >> appreciated, and I'll certainly comb back through and try to integrate / >> the various suggestions made.  Thanks again.     F >You mean the BACKUP command containing both /IMAGE and DKC0:[*...]*.*" >worked? If it did, I'm surprised.  1 Well, we didn't use /IMAGE with DKC0:, just DKA0: G But you're correct in stating that it wouldn't work, and so we modified  that statement.   I >> Also, for those wondering why there was a wait statement for 0 seconds G >> in there.....it gets modified quite frequently, it just happens that G >> the day I copied and pasted it to the message was a day we wanted to I >> run the procedure immediatley.  Suppose I could have commented it out,   >> but it's all the same right?        OK.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:39:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Backup Procedure , Message-ID: <42B850DA.1D0BC970@teksavvy.com>   WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:  > H > Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem.    G BIG WARNING:  SET NOON  disables error handling at the DCL level. So if B one command fails or has syntax error, the DCL procedure continues happily, or so it thinks.   F Adding SET NOON will  NOT change the success of your commands. It willE "hide" problems under the table. If your goal is to have complete and H trustable backups, you need to fix the errors so that even without a SET' NOON, the backup completes succesfully.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:11:40 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> * Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX demo: not a bug #24 Message-ID: <42b7bdb2$0$24506$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Didier Morandi wrote:    > KA655-A V5.3, VMB 2.7 ! > Performing normal system tests. B > 40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..26..25..B > 24..23..22..21..20..19..18..17..16..15..14..13..12..11..10..09.. > 08..07..06..05..04..03.. > Tests completed. >  >>>sh dev" > UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
 > -DUA0 (RK6)  > -DUA1 (RA81) > -DUA2 (RRZ90)  > -DUA3 (RX23) >  > Ethernet Adapter 0 (774440)  > -XQA0 (08-00-00-AE-CD-04)  >  >>>b xqa0 > (BOOT/R5:0 XQA0) >  >  >  >   2..  > -XQA0  > ?4B CTRLERR, XQA0  > ?06 HLT INST >         PC = 00000C1A 
 > Failure.  / The CHARON-VAX demo available from the SRI site > (http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/Tools_and_tips.htm#demo)  does not support satellite boot.  * So, this was not a bug, this is a feature. FYI.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:57:52 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> 2 Subject: HP, Encompass User Group Break New Ground3 Message-ID: <42b7d690$0$1826$626a14ce@news.free.fr>   N  From http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164901225#_  O In an unprecedented move, Hewlett-Packard will work so closely with Encompass,  M an HP user group, that both HP employees and Encompass' user membership will  Q receive important strategic insider training on the firm's products and services  ( at the HP Technology Forum in September. By W. David Gardner  TechWeb.com    		 	  	O In an unprecedented move, Hewlett-Packard will work so closely with Encompass,  M an HP user Group, that both HP employees and Encompass' user membership will  Q receive important strategic insider training on the firm's products and services  ( at the HP Technology Forum in September.  Q In interviews, Kristi Browder, Encompass president, and David Parsons, HP's vice  Q president of enterprise marketing, spelled out the ways and means the two groups  T will cooperate. "HP was a sponsor in the past," said Browder. "Now HP is a partner."  O Browder noted that Parsons had sent invitations to all HP user groups aimed at  P developing a close cooperative exchange and partnership with the firm. She said N Encompass welcomed the offer, because the user group believes the partnership M represents "the best technical exchange" of information. Encompass agreed to  Q participate in the company's HP Technology Forum, scheduled to take place in New   Orleans on September 12-15.   L The key selling point has been HP's promise to carry out important internal N training for its employees with Encompass members permitted to attend some of N these sessions to give them a jump on using new HP products and services. "We ; want to take our full armament and share it," said Parsons.   N He explained that in addition to user groups, HP will use the Forum to inform O its partner community--systems integrators, value-added resellers, independent  F software vendors, and HP certified professionals--of new products and I developments at HP. Parsons said HP has taken a "bottoms up" approach in  N sessions for the event, noting that HP users were presented with a "very open  call for papers."   Q Sessions at the Forum will range widely from printer issues to hands-on software  M and hardware measures. For instance, Browder, who is director of Information  Q Technology at Silicon Labs, said she is likely to be more interested in HP's new  Q AMD Opteron dual-core processors because of their power in engineering tasks. Of  F broader interest to the attendees--she is expecting at least 4,000 to M attend--will likely be migration strategies of users moving to Itanium-based   configurations.   O "Itanium migration will likely be the hottest topic," she said, observing that  Q many IT shops are faced with the often-daunting task of moving operating systems  O like OpenVMS, Linux, UNIX, and Windows from older hardware platforms to 64-bit   Itanium configurations.   N But users are balking, and there will be HP specialists to help them migrate. L Encompass' origins are traced back to Digital Equipment Corp.'s DECUS users J group, which later moved when Compaq acquired Digital and, again, when HP L acquired Compaq. Users of the 64-bit Alpha computer, initially developed at N Digital, are being encouraged to move to HP Itaniums, for instance. "A lot of N Alpha customers (are) out there," said Browder. "(Many) of them still believe ' the Alpha was the best chip ever made."   O In addition to migration issues, Browder said there will be important sessions  N on utility computing and cost containment as well as consolidation. She added M that the current upturn in the economy is raising morale in IT circles. "But  % we're still a cost center," she said.   K Parsons said the whole new approach of encouraging technology exposure and  O exchange by HP should facilitate training of users in the hands-on environment  I of the meeting. With most of HP's profits coming from its printers unit,  S planning for containing printing costs in enterprises is another important session.   Q Keynote presentations at the Forum will be delivered by Ann Livermore, executive  P vice president of HP's Technology Solutions Group, and Shane Robison, executive 9 vice president and chief strategy and technology officer.   Q Parsons said HP will continue to support other HP users groups. He added that HP  M considers the independent Interex HP users group to be valuable and that the   firm will support its meetings.    FYI.   D. --  1 Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien - VMS / SAP 0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 07:36:27 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm3 Message-ID: <pQVgBXzhIibA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <1119303940.468434.237400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:    > Christians do , > not strap explosives on themselves because > killing is murder,  F    Except for all those who did.  And if they're not really Christian,E    then the point is mute because most Mulsims will claim the killers D    aren't really Muslim, ... (ad infinitum for your favorite list of    religions).  " > and only God can kill ... anyone$ > else who kills is trying to be God  D    Like George W. Bush and his armies?  You open yourself up to moreF    critisism based on the misbehaviour of Christians than even I would    bother to imagine.   <    OK, so now maybe I'll remember to stop feeding the troll.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 05:55:10 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119358510.196276.209870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   1 there are justified wars ... world war I, II, and - 9/11 ... God allowed the Israelites to attack , their enemies ... and if someone breaks into, your home and threatens you and family, then0 you have a right to self defense ... abortion is- plain murder condemned by God ... Gid said He 5 also hates divorce ... their will be a lot of wailing , and knashing of teeth as the bible says when+ excuses will not work at your judgement ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:22:18 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm= Message-ID: <wLudnQQreJ8XiSXfRVn-jg@metrocastcablevision.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:   ...      if someone breaks into. > your home and threatens you and family, then" > you have a right to self defense  G Which is, of course, exactly the right which the Iraqis are exercising  + by killing every American invader they can.   F I wish them luck in this endeavor:  the more that are killed, and the F faster they are killed, the sooner we'll leave.  And, ironically, the H fewer total Americans will die (because we seem ready to lose a few per I day indefinitely, but if the rate increases significantly I suspect even  I the comatose American public will take keener notice and the pressure to   leave will mount).  G Not that I'm *personally* concerned with reducing American casualties,  E you understand:  my sympathies in that area are 100% with the Iraqis.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 08:11:45 -0700' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS and XML questionsC Message-ID: <1119366705.817872.137660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F How would I set up communication between an OpenVMS process written inC FORTRAN or C and the environmental control system PC that, I guess,  functions as a XML server.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:32:09 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS and XML questions( Message-ID: <opssp73vy0zgicya@hyrrokkin>  E On 21 Jun 2005 08:11:45 -0700, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:   H > How would I set up communication between an OpenVMS process written inE > FORTRAN or C and the environmental control system PC that, I guess,  > functions as a XML server. > @ FWIW, IBM's PL/I compiler for Windows, has a builtin XML parser.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:33:33 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS and XML questions9 Message-ID: <xjXte.824$Y75.15@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>   3 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message  = news:1119366705.817872.137660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... H > How would I set up communication between an OpenVMS process written inE > FORTRAN or C and the environmental control system PC that, I guess,  > functions as a XML server. >   E That depends completely on the PC.  What's the PC serving up?  Is it  4 listening on a TCP port?  Is it sending UDP packets?   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 08:37:58 -0700 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 8.2C Message-ID: <1119368278.751870.202040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   . We would like to announce txt2pdf 8.2 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script B that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html ; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf ) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf $ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf @ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,E Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can  find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf.   What's new in this version= You can set an ftp site where put every pdf after text to pdf  conversion. G You can use the follow parameters: ftphost : host.domain.com, ftpuser : 6 user, ftppassword : password, ftpdirectory : directory  4 Read Independent Liquor Group PDF Invoice Project at' http://www.sanface.com/ilg-project.html    Test txt2pdf 8.2! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:20:36 +0200 3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com>   Subject: Re: Problem with reboot, Message-ID: <42b80615$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:42B75A7F.FCFE68DA@comcast.net...  > "Doc." wrote: H > Suggestion: Avoid ALLOCLASS 2. This is where one finds MGA devices (FC > tape). >     I No problems with Allocation class 2. There is no other devices named MGA    than fibre channel tape devices.  M You can have more problems with multiple FC storage systems, because all DGA  I devices share the same allocation class (same is true for MGA devices on  
 multple NSRs)     
 Best, Gorazd     ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 09:16:58 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)   Subject: Re: Problem with reboot- Message-ID: <GL7EgvPIrGWv@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > "Doc." wrote:  >>  H >> I'm currently trying to enable shadowing on Deathrow node DAHMER, butF >> have hit a snag.  This is on VMS 7.2, and I don't think there's any >> patches installed. :( >>  # >> I edited MODPARAMS.DAT and added  >> SHADOWING=2 >> ALLOCLASS=2 > O > Suggestion: Avoid ALLOCLASS 2. This is where one finds MGA devices (FC tape).   I Fibre Channel tapes were not supported on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2; that didn't = happen until V7.3; multipath tape support was added in V7.3-1    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:27:02 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> E Subject: Re: RdbSQL> set session authorisation 'persona :ws_integer'; ? Message-ID: <d98ti3$853$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,    Dr. Dweeb. wrote:   @ > Try comp.database.rdb or the oraclerdb mailing list at jcc.com4 > or the Oracle Enhancement Request system - the Rdb1 > engineers definitely read one or more of these.   J I've just gone back through my archives and counted over 40 posts relatingK to this topic. Mostly in the Rdb Listserver. The earliest date I could find G was July 10, 2000 and possibly the most relevant attached below (Feb 2, / 2003) containing the bollocks Oracle ERS reply.   F We all know that this is a useful piece of functionality that poses NOK security risks, and would be very easy to implement. But sadly we also know I that once one of these engineering Oligarchs decide they don't want to do L something and that they'd rather go off and implement that "snooze-button onG a smoke-alarm" project that "real customers" have been asking for, then 9 there's not much that the likes of me can do about it :-(   K But 40 replies is no where near enough for me! I'm happy to be proved wrong G on this and discuss it for as long as you, or anybody else, would like. H "There is *NO* valid reason why SQL> SET SESSION AUTHORIZATION PERSONA /I CURRENT / NATURAL / :ws_integer can not be implemented in Rdb" - discuss.   I Please Note: For those of you that don't know Rdb, we *already have* SQL> A SET SESSION AUTHORIZATION 'USER ''fred'' USING ''password'''; The J functionality for Session Level authorization already exists! What we needI is the ability to not pass passwords in the clear but simply authenticate + the session user switch on a Persona basis.   H Take a look at DEMO_TIP.COB, DEMO_TIP_SQL.SQLMOD and BUILD_TIP_DEMO.COM.G These User Action Routines are SCREAMING out for the ability to changes D Session Authorization in Rdb every time we get a different user in aI client/server environment. Maybe FRED has write access to the Departments K table but JACK does not and he doesn't have the DB_WRITE identifier. Please 6 let Rdb fully exploit this lovely VMS functionality!!!  J Things like sys$check_access and sys$getqui (jbc$_search_as_username?) are, no longer a necessity. Please wake up to it.   Regards Richard Maher   F PS. How many of you ACMS users out there have a TPU Report/File BrowseA function implemented in a DCL Server? tick-tick. . . tick-tick. .  .tick-tick. . .      ----- Original Message -----   From: Richard's Hotmail ' Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:27 PM H Subject: I'm begging ya (Was: Oracle's lovely Enhancement Request System (again)      Hi Ian,   J For those who didn't see the ERS request, I decided to formally request anL enhancement to Rdb that would allow the SQL syntax SET SESSION AUTHORIZATIONI to cater for the specification of a VMS Persona Id rather than a Username 1 and Password. This was the response from Oracle:-   ) *** ISMITH 01/14/03 10:07 am RESPONSE *** B It is unlikely that we will implement such a change to SET SESSIONH AUTHORIZATION. We believe it opens a security hole, since an unprivilegeG user could use this statement to revert to the natural persona and then 5 proceed to inherit the abilities of the server owner.  . I Richard this is the same reason we rejected you suggestion to support SET  SESSION AUTHORIZATION DEFAULT.   *** End Response    K When you say "an unprivilege user could use this statement to revert to the G natural persona and then proceed to inherit the abilities of the server I owner." Are you alluding to some PP design issues with SQL/Services where I the server owner is required to have some elevated privileges? If so then J please feel free to restrict the environments that the PERSONA :ws_integerK syntax would be legal in to SQL Module Language and Pre-Processors. I agree < there is little scope for it in Interactive and Dynamic SQL.  H But on second thoughts could you please explain how an unprivileged userE gets to specify the natural persona? I assume you mean that they will L somehow specify iss$c_id_natural, but do you have a specific server in mind?H In my case, it is my server code and user supplied application code thatI controls which personae can be assumed and when. Do you envisage the user   being prompted for a persona Id?    H But more importantly what, exactly, would be wrong with reverting to theH natural persona and inheriting the abilities of the server owner? I haveF gone to great lengths to ensure that my server software requires no (IK repeat *NO*) special privileges other than what the application may require H to perform its specific functions. Surely this is the quintessential VMSG security policy (Start with no privs and only enable them when you need H them.) Are you aware that, on Alpha at least (and once again please feelD free to restrict this functionality to Alpha), an access mode can be@ associated with a persona that would prevent a USER mode call toG $persona_assume being able to grab hold of an EXEC mode persona? If you G don't want a persona to be assumed from User mode then protect it in an  inner mode.   K But leaving these cogent arguments to one side for the moment let's keep it I simple and cut to the chase. At this particular point in time and with no - change to Rdb am I able to do the following:-    $persona_assume fred's_persona attach 'file db';  go crazy
 disconnect  $persona_assume iss$c_id_natural attach 'file db';  go even crazier 
 disconnect  K Do you not agree (as I have said *many* times before over previous *years*) L that all the absence of this functionality is doing is succeeding in slowingI the application down. it is not *preventing* anything except performance!   G And one final note. How do you feel about passing a user's username and E password to application code in the clear? Obviously you don't have a K problem with it but I for one see this as far more of a security issue then H being able to swap to authorized personae. But more on that in a minute.  B I (and every client/server application out there) really want thisH functionality. Please can we send it up for review/appeal one more time?K Isn't there anyone else out there with even ACMS servers that would like to L hit the database as the *real* user and not a generic username? Granting andD Revoking rights and ACLs on a user by user basis! How 'bout that eh?   Regards Richard Maher.  F PS. Does everyone else in the U.K. know that the Oracle support ...947K number no longer exists? It is now impossible to pick up the phone and talk L to anyone who knows how to spell Rdb. It's Metalink or nothing :-( I shudder) to think what you get for bronze service.   I Oh and it was a nice touch you writing here to tell me to raise a support 1 call there to find out what you wrote over there.    ----- Original Message -----   From: Ian Smith ' Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:55 PM ? Subject: Re: Oracle's lovely Enhancement Request System (again)     3 Your request was rejected as being a security hole. G Sorry, please contact Oracle support and complain about the ERS system. $ They can also read you the response.   Ian    Richard's Hotmail wrote:  I Hi, Before I lose my rag completely with ERS can anyone tell me how I can J find out *why* my suggestion was rejected? This systems semingly arbitraryJ truncation of my request left the underlying suggestion barely inteligibleK (admittedly didn't start off with much either) but this is one of those big D gains for little effort stories. I just can't understand it! The ERSH reference is 2747493. Regards Richard (I will bang on about this) Maher. --  H Ian Smith                               Read the Technical Corner column> Oracle Rdb Engineering Group            in the Rdb Web JournalL (Standard disclaimer:  The statements and opinions expressed here are my own>  and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation)    > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message7 news:42b334d6$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk... G > Try comp.database.rdb or the oraclerdb mailing list at jcc.com or the  OracleL > Enhancement Request system - the Rdb engineers definitely read one or more > of these.  >  > Dr. Dweeb. >  > Richard Maher wrote:
 > > Hello, > > F > > I know I've been going on about this enhancement request for quiteH > > some years now, but if there is any justice in the world then it hasE > > to be coming up in the next version(s) of Rdb. With that in mind, @ > > please let me advise that you may wish to provide a API callF > > (with/without the SQL syntax) to switch session authorization on aA > > persona basis. Why? Because it could be quite valid to switch G > > authorization to an EXEC mode person, but without the process going < > > into inner mode how can you tell if this was legitimate? > > F > > You *could* have SQL> set session authorization 'persona current'; > > E > > Rdb would then do a $persona_query on the current *zero* persona. > > > (Who cares what mode it is? It's current so it must be ok) > > H > > Anyway, If by the odd chance, you are implementing this and you plan> > > on banning non-user-mode personae then please think again. > >  > > Cheers Richard Maher >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:12:27 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)+ Subject: Re: several new 7.3-2 patches!!!!! $ Message-ID: <d98ekr$uqc$1@online.de>  H In article <42b6ddd8$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:    @ > Yup. TCPIP V5.4 ECO5, MOTIF V1.3-1 ECO2 as well as VMS732 ECOsO > (AMATHRTL V1, JOBCTL V1,) IOGEN V1, SHADOWING V4, MANAGE V3 and FIBRE_SCSI V6   E Have you, or has anyone here, installed the SHADOWING V4 for 7.3-2?   A After installing a batch of patches (all except th FIBRESCSI), I  F experienced a bizarre problem.  I'm not sure it is due to the patch.  E Thus, I'd be interested to know what experience others here have had.   E I normally shutdown, remove a member from the system-disk shadow set, G install a whole bunch of patches at once, then add the member back when ? I am sure all is well.  It is too much trouble---for a hobbyist ? system---to test each patch individually.  Also, I haven't yet  H understood the recovery data stuff, especially since the information is H different for different patches.  I would rather go back to a pre-patch  backup of the system disk.  G The problem I noticed was mount verification of a shadow set with both  G members connected to the node which was patched, during startup.  This  H could have other reasons, but I want to be sure no-one has had problems D after the SHADOWING patch (I can't imagine any of the other patches  could have caused it).  J > Yes, there is a problem with it. V6 is the replacement, but not yet out.   Glad I didn't install it!    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 16:32:46 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: several new 7.3-2 patches!!!!! , Message-ID: <42b8412e$1@news.langstoeger.at>  w In article <d98ekr$uqc$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: g >In article <42b6ddd8$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  A >> Yup. TCPIP V5.4 ECO5, MOTIF V1.3-1 ECO2 as well as VMS732 ECOs P >> (AMATHRTL V1, JOBCTL V1,) IOGEN V1, SHADOWING V4, MANAGE V3 and FIBRE_SCSI V6 > F >Have you, or has anyone here, installed the SHADOWING V4 for 7.3-2?    H Not yet. In fact, I so far installed it only on a single disk system ;-)  B >After installing a batch of patches (all except th FIBRESCSI), I G >experienced a bizarre problem.  I'm not sure it is due to the patch.   F >Thus, I'd be interested to know what experience others here have had.   Maybe more tomorrow.  F >I normally shutdown, remove a member from the system-disk shadow set,H >install a whole bunch of patches at once, then add the member back when@ >I am sure all is well.  It is too much trouble---for a hobbyist* >system---to test each patch individually.  G So do I. Even with the stations (but not the servers) in the office ;-)   @ >                                           Also, I haven't yet I >understood the recovery data stuff, especially since the information is  I >different for different patches.  I would rather go back to a pre-patch   >backup of the system disk.   D Recovery is not that hard to understand, or so I currently think ;-)  5 My method (as I recently explained in another thread)   E *) Delete Recovery Data (explicitely with PROD DEL REC or implicitely 8 with removing no longer needed pcsi kits - like MOZILLA)F *) Define System Logicals (to avoid the need to specify the qualifiersH with every PRODUCT command (/SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA /LOG /SOURCE and /TRACE)* $ DEF/SYS/EXE PCSI$$SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA	YES $ DEF/SYS/EXE PCSI$LOG		TRUEB $ DEF/SYS/EXE PCSI$SOURCE	dev:[dir] ! SYS$SYSDEVICE:[INSTALL_KITS] $ DEF/SYS/EXE PCSI$TRACE	TRUE  $ DEF/SYS/EXE ARCHIVE_OLD	NO  $ DEF/SYS/EXE NO_ASK$BACKUP	TRUE  $ DEF/SYS/EXE NO_ASK$REBOOT	TRUE2 *) If you are as lazy as me, you could also define@ $ PRODINS:== PRODUCT INSTALL/OPTIONS=(NOCONFIRM,SHOW_DISK_USAGE) *) Install one kit at a timeC *) Make a logfile of the/every install session (eg. $ SET HOST/LOG) J *) Start the installation a) VMSINSTAL kits b) PCSI full kits c) PCSI ECOs   H >The problem I noticed was mount verification of a shadow set with both H >members connected to the node which was patched, during startup.  This I >could have other reasons, but I want to be sure no-one has had problems  E >after the SHADOWING patch (I can't imagine any of the other patches   >could have caused it).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:53:00 +0300 , From: Veli Korkko <vtk-poistatama-@netti.fi>1 Subject: Re: Something wrong with MicroVAX m10e ? 8 Message-ID: <RFQte.7651$Rj3.836@reader1.news.jippii.net>   abecciu@gmail.com wrote:6 > Hi. I have a MicroVAX m10e. When I power it on, this > appear in the console  >  > KA 41-D V1.0 > : > F...E...D...C...B...A...9...7...6...5...4...3...2...1... >  >   ?E 0040 0000.0005  >   ?C 0080 0000.4001  >   ?7 80A0 0000.4004  > A > VMS/VMB   ULTRIX  ADDR         NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REV A > -------   ------  ----         --------  -----  --  ------  --- % > ESA0      SE0     08-00-2B-1D-D8-92  >  >  > ...HostID.... A/6       INITR 3 > DKB0 RZ8     B/0/0/90   DISK   665MB FX RZ56 0400 ) > MKB500 TZ13  B/5/0/00   TAPE   ..... RM  > ...HostID....  >  > [ESA0:] ?>>> > 
 > 83 BOOT SYS  > -ESA0  > ?54 RETRY  > ?54 RETRY  > ?54 RETRY  > + > I have a Digital VT340+ without keyboard. . > Any idea on what's wrong? Thanks in advance. >   G I would think that this device has been powered off for quite some time F and therefore the battery maintaining the clock etc has gone bad. UnitD has lost settings and therefore presents after POST list of possible devices to boot from.   A Note that it prompts for boot device, it also appears not to know  its own scsi address on bus.  " To fix "> ...HostID...."  one does    >>> set scsi 7   H though typically microvaxes have scsi controller at address 6. One might< try booting from DKB0 since there is after all a disk there.    >>> set boot dkb0   and     >>> boot/1        _veli    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:08:53 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: UCX connect function timeout ? Message-ID: <d98ovl$bks$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,   I > Richard, when you post code, pls change your prefs to 80 chars width...  :-)   I C'mon Didier, I'm using COBOL. 132 characters is the bare minimum for any ) self-respecting verb or data declaration!   H Having said that I agree that it is annoying to see all the wrapping andJ unformatting that goes on especially when the original is so aesthetically pleasing and easy to read :-)   K But seeing as you have decided to raise your head above the parapet, I will K take the liberty of mailing you the VAX version of TIER3 V3.0 that contains J the example code in question. Even if you don't install it, please look atL it for the example code if nothing else. There are one or two useful bits inL there. I'll send you the VAX version because you seem to be doing stuff withK VAXes at the moment and, all zipped up, the kits only 350 blocks. If anyone ) wants the Alpha version it's 1520 blocks.   A Before using BACKUP or VMSINSTAL you'll have to unzip it then : -   6 $set file tier3%030.a/attr=(lrl:9216,rfm:fix,rat:none)  H If anyone wants to see the code but does not wish to contact me directlyF then, for a short time only, they'll be appearing in my USER1:[MAHERR]D directory on the HP TestDrive cluster. (I had hopes of getting TIER3D installed on there but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.)   Cheers Richard Maher.   : "Didier Morandi" <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> wrote in message. news:42b6b310$0$17377$636a15ce@news.free.fr... > Richard Maher wrote: >  > > Hi,  > >  > > H > >>The timeout on a connect function appears to be about 90 seconds. Is' > >>there a way to change that timeout?  > >  > > E > > You use the ucx$tcpopt option of probe_idle. (FYI if you're using  TCPWARE 5 > > for this then you need privs to do it. IIRC OPER)  > > J > > The following example is taken from t3$examples:demo_client_tcp_ip.cob Look& > > at the socket_and_connect section. > I > Richard, when you post code, pls change your prefs to 80 chars width...  :-)  >  > D.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 07:30:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 3 Message-ID: <C+mxl1bPAY5l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <42b73f8f$0$32421$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: > > > Friends, the problem with PCs is not the cpu it's the M$ OS. >   1    Pentium math is OK with your financials, then?    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 07:56:08 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 3 Message-ID: <DCyHpNr515qR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <C+mxl1bPAY5l@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: f > In article <42b73f8f$0$32421$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: >>  ? >> Friends, the problem with PCs is not the cpu it's the M$ OS.  >>   > 3 >    Pentium math is OK with your financials, then?   3 Wasn't the Pentium math problem in floating point ?   I If I do financials in floating point I have bigger problems than Pentium.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:33:26 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 0 Message-ID: <11bgjmh48p19l2e@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:s > In article <C+mxl1bPAY5l@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > f >>In article <42b73f8f$0$32421$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: >>? >>>Friends, the problem with PCs is not the cpu it's the M$ OS.  >>>  >>3 >>   Pentium math is OK with your financials, then?    Excellant shot!   5 > Wasn't the Pentium math problem in floating point ?  > K > If I do financials in floating point I have bigger problems than Pentium.   G It's in my (usually feeble these days) mind that some VAXs running VMS  F used the floating point processor for some calculations.  Neither the F operands not the result were floating point, but the FP processor was : used for performance.  I just cannot remember the details.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 05:30:13 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> # Subject: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? C Message-ID: <1119357013.344505.187510@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E Okay, another odd platform support question.  Does anyone know if VMS + will boot on an AlphaPC 264DP based system?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:59:48 -0500 * From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>Y Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: Hackers and Microsoft Engineers, very amusing -	Found word(s) c A Message-ID: <3A0A94E82B68C64D9412D3CA3B32D6A68C061A@EMAILSERVER3>     On 6/20/05, Z <Z@no.spam> wrote:! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: L > > Unfortunately in the name of user friendliness Windows default is to add every A > > Wireless network you have ever connected to into it's list of J > > preferred networks and then send out probes for each of these networksC > > and finally to connect to the first one it finds automatically.   J It does not automatically add to preferred networks.  You have to manually
 add these.G If you just join a network because it says one is available it does not  become a preferred network.       A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:07:11 -0500 * From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>Y Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters M	ontvale, Itani A Message-ID: <3A0A94E82B68C64D9412D3CA3B32D6A68C061B@EMAILSERVER3>   @ Are you a full blown community troll or just a religious zealot?0 Please let me know so I can adjust my kill list.        . >oh I have, I have ... families falling apart,, >divorce rates sky high, drugs, aids, crime,) >abortion ... all from our genius liberal ) >buddies from havard and yale ... we were & >promised the garden of eden, and look( >what we have ... and you can trace this$ >all back to 1962 when public school* >prayer was abandoned ... this country was- >created on Christian principles ... and that * >is what made this country ... but now you( >and other fools are tearing it down and* >slowly destroying it ... without God, you/ >will fail, and the current social climate only , >proves this ... I believe George Bush to be+ >a God fearing man who is trying to restore / >this nation to its moral foundations while you + >and your liberal fools want to continue to * >takes us through the cesspool of hell ...* >yes, I can see exactly what has been done. >to this country, and I don't like living in a >toilet ...     A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.345 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                      o you will note was paralyzed on one side of his body
from the '68 auto accident, no "raging bull" at all) tried to get him
off...

> Trungpa punched him in the face."

And Merwin and friend stayed on for another month of study and
meditation
following this.

So.

What makes sense here?

The puzzle is'nt very complicated....



> 
> Sex, Semantics, and Chauvinism by Ming Zhen Shakya, OHY
> 
> http://www.hsuyun.org/Dharma/zbohy/Literature/essays/mzs/sex.html
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