1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 22 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 346       Contents:P Re: - Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters M ontvale, Itanic screa- Re: Avoiding domain mismatch (TCPIP Services)  Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure Re: Backup Procedure% Fleeing Compaq customer caught by Sun ) Re: Fleeing Compaq customer caught by Sun 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm  Re: Jensen Coming On-line... Re: Jensen Coming On-line...% mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk ) Re: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk  My Multia Adventure P Open VMS BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) Computing)Co Re: OpenVMS and XML questions  Re: OpenVMS and XML questions  Re: Problem with reboot  Re: Problem with reboot  State of the art?   Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP?1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session? P Re: [SPAM] - Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters M ontvale, Itani  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 11:42:36 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com Y Subject: Re: - Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters M ontvale, Itanic screa B Message-ID: <1119379356.453549.59970@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  8 I was right about vms ... there are too many users, esp.5 big ones which would not allow vms to go away ... and ; now we have the itanium port ... if itanium fails, you will 7 either see alpha again, or a port to another chip, or a 5 very large group of unhappy customers who would never 9 buy one of your products again ... as for anyone who says ? he is a Christian like I do, the bible is 100% truth and either = you accept it and follow it as such or burn ... I'll take the  first option ...   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 11:28:04 -0700* From: "Alder" <TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com>6 Subject: Re: Avoiding domain mismatch (TCPIP Services)C Message-ID: <1119378484.441680.165760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I should probably start a new thread on this, as the domain mismatch is E now, dare I say it, solved.  I already had the settings you suggested G in your last reply, but it occurred to me after reading your reply, and E reading TFM again, that I should try to query the DHCP server for the F domain name.  Lo and behold, once I did this my routing table returnedD to normal use and I had no more domain mismatch in the BIND resolver setup.  < My complete CLIENT.PCY for the DHCP Client now conisists of:   $ TYPE CLIENT.PCY  class_id TCPVMS  request subnet_mask  request dns_servers  request dns_domain_name   G My only remaining issue then is that if I set the router (DLink DI-524) D to pass a specific IP address as the primary name server, and the IPC Address of the router as the secondary name server, the Alpha takes G only the router IP address.  A Windows PC on my LAN configures the name @ server addresses correctly, so I assume the router is set up and functioning properly.   C I turned on DHCP logging and see from the TCPIP$DHCP_CLIENT_RUN.LOG G that the DHCP Client has some trouble configuring or resolving the name G server hostname, assigning it the name "UNKNOWN", rather than "SZEGED".   F First question: why would DHCP try configuring the hostname if I don't ask for it in my CLIENT.PCY?  F Second questions is: If it does try configuring the hostname, why doesF it fail to resolve the hostname correctly; it ends up assigning it the name "UNKNOWN".   C Third question: Why does it override the TCPIP COMMUNICATION config < file where I specify the /LOCAL_HOST and /DOMAIN as follows:  G My best guess is that my one and only interface in the Alpha shuold not C be designated as "PRIMARY" in the DHCP Client setup, but I won't be E able to test this for a day or two.  According to the DHCP section of A the TCPIP Managerment document, I should be able to request an IP F Address from the DHCP server, but configure everythin else manually if/ no interface is marked PRIMARY.  We'll see  :-)     ( $ TCPIP SHOW CONFIGURATION COMMUNICATION   Communication Configuration   ; Local host:      SZEGED                 Domain:   EREBUS.CA    [snip rest of output]       $ TYPE TCPIP$DHCP_CLIENT_RUN.LOG
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY")) $ debug level                      = 5) class ID                         = TCPVMS % start_delay                      = 10 $ retries                          = 2$ lease desired                    = 0. timeouts                         = 4,8,16,32,0( use_saved_config                 = false' accept_bootp                     = true ) rv                               = 1,6,15 3 new request from (port,ip_address) (1023,127.0.0.1)  ifname         = WE0 timeout        = 30 $ flags          = CP_START CP_PRIMARY server         = 0.0.0.0 ctrl_id        = 3187756987 1 Configuration of WE0 going to sleep for 1 seconds  Configuration of WE0 awake now DHCP started on WE0  DHCP configuring WE0#          subnet mask     :  0.0.0.0 #          IP address      :  0.0.0.0 ,          broadcast address:  255.255.255.255 new IFINSTANCE:  WE0 '          Internal address    = 0x40ccf8 (          State               = REBOOTING#          Busy/Idle           = IDLE #          Primary             = true            Retries             = 0           Received            = 0           Sent                = 0           Offers              = 0           Bad offers          = 0           Timer ID            = 0)          Xid                 = 0x5a389a74            Ordinal#            = 1           Error               = 0$          Control flags       = 0x401)          Control ID          = 3187756987 0          controller          = (65283,127.0.0.1)B initReboot for interface WE0 proceeding. No other interfaces doing DHCP.  DHCP configuring WE0#          subnet mask     :  0.0.0.0 #          IP address      :  0.0.0.0 ,          broadcast address:  255.255.255.255  A sending to <sockaddr> <16.2.0.67.255.255.255.255.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0> " xid=0x87c4178c secs=1 flags=0x8000D ht=1:ha=00.00.f8.21.da.f8:ip=192.168.0.3:mm=548:ct=TCPVMS:jv=65:mt=3 (DHCPREQUES 
 T):rv=1,6,15: 
 bootp packet: 9     0000: 01 01 06 00 87 c4 17 8c 00 01 80 00 00 00 00 00 9     0016: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 f8 21       !9     0032: da f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      0048: 00... 9     0224: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 63 82 53 63    c ScG     0240: 35 01 03 2b 03 06 01 41 32 04 c0 a8 00 03 37 03     5  +   A2      7 F     0256: 01 06 0f 39 02 02 24 3c 06 54 43 50 56 4d 53 ff        9  $< TCPVMS     0272: 00...      0544: 00 00 00 00   + received  xid=0x87c4178c flags=0x8000  from $ (ip_address,port#)=(192.168.0.1,1715 2) bootp packet9     0000: 02 01 06 00 87 c4 17 8c 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 9     0016: c0 a8 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 f8 21       !9     0032: da f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      0048: 00... 9     0224: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 63 82 53 63    c Sc?     0240: 35 01 05 01 04 ff ff ff 00 33 04 00 09 3a 80 06     5  3   : 9     0256: 04 c0 a8 00 01 0f 09 65 72 65 62 75 73 2e 63 61 	 erebus.ca ?     0272: 36 04 c0 a8 00 01 03 04 c0 a8 00 01 ff 00 00 00     6      0288: 00...      0544: 00 00 00 00  ht=1:ha=00.00.f8.21.da.f8:ci=0.0.0.0:gi=0.0.0.0:sa=0.0.0.0:yi=192.168.0.3:vm=rfc1048:sm=255.255.255.0:gw=192.168.0.1:ds=192.168.0.1:dn=erebus.ca:lt=604800:sv=192.168.0.1:mt=5
 (DHCPACK):   DHCP configuring WE0)          subnet mask     :  255.255.255.0 '          IP address      :  192.168.0.3 *          broadcast address:  192.168.0.255'          default gateway :  192.168.0.1 
 $ SET NOON" $ SET PROCESS/PRIV=(SYSPRV,SYSNAM) $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: ( $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM 192.168.0.3 $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: & $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM "unknown" $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: 0 $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM "unknown.erebus.ca" $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: & $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM "unknown" $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: 0 $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM "unknown.erebus.ca" $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: & $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM "UNKNOWN" $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL: $ DEFINE/USER SYS$ERROR NL: 0 $ TCPIP SET NOHOST/NOCONFIRM "UNKNOWN.EREBUS.CA"9 $ TCPIP SET HOST /ADDRESS=192.168.0.3 "unknown.erebus.ca" = $ TCPIP SET COMMUNICATION /LOCAL="unknown"/DOMAIN="erebus.ca"  $ NET_CHECK="TRUE" $ + $ ! check if product is already registered.  $ GOSUB CHECK_REGISTRATION $ CHECK_REGISTRATION: " $       TCPIP_REGISTERED = "FALSE"B $       MAX_INDEX = F$TRNLNM("SYS$NET_SERVICES_1",,,,,"MAX_INDEX") $       IF MAX_INDEX .NES. ""  $       THEN $           I = 0  $           NET_SERVICES_LOOP:* $               IF "TCP/IP" .EQS. "TCP/IP" $               THEN- $                   TCPIP_REGISTERED = "TRUE" ! $                   GOTO END_LOOP  $           END_LOOP: ! 
 $       ENDIF ) $       IF TCPIP_REGISTERED .EQS. "FALSE" 
 $       ENDIF  $ RETURN $ IF NET_CHECK .EQS. "FALSE" $ ELSE $ SET NETWORK "TCP/IP" /UPDATE- /ADDRESS=192.168.0.3/NODE="unknown.erebus.ca"  $ ENDIF  $ EXITC Leaving temp file SYS$SCRATCH:TCPIP$$SETHOSTNAME.COM for debugging. 
 $ SET NOON" $ SET PROCESS/PRIV=(SYSPRV,SYSNAM)  $ TCPIP SET NAME/SYSTEM /DISABLE9 %TCPIP-E-NAMEERROR, error processing name service request / -TCPIP-E-BINDDISABLE, BIND resolver is disabled # $ TCPIP SET NAME/SYSTEM /NOSERVER=* ! $ TCPIP SET NAME/SYSTEM /NOPATH=*  $ TCPIP SET NAME/SYSTEM 8 /SERVER=(192.168.0.1)/DOMAIN="erebus.ca"/PATH=("erebus.c a")  $ TCPIP SET NAME/SYSTEM /ENABLE 	 $ EXIT(1) C Leaving temp file SYS$SCRATCH:TCPIP$$SETRESOLVER.COM for debugging.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 10:54:00 -0700 From: WeLikeNuts@gmail.com Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119376440.629549.302710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei   Jun 21, 1:39 pm:    >WeLikeN...@gmail.com wrote:I >> Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem.       H >BIG WARNING:  SET NOON  disables error handling at the DCL level. So ifC >one command fails or has syntax error, the DCL procedure continues  >happily, or so it thinks.  G >Adding SET NOON will  NOT change the success of your commands. It will F >"hide" problems under the table. If your goal is to have complete andI >trustable backups, you need to fix the errors so that even without a SET ( >NOON, the backup completes succesfully.  G Point well taken.  I believe the errors that were causing the procedure D to drop out were related to date/timestamps....can't recall exactly.A I'll perform a test job and post the exact messages back here.  I G suppose I assumed these errors were negligible, and wouldn't affect the  integrity ofE the backup.  We have succesfully restored files from the saveset that " produces those errors in the past.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 12:41:06 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Backup Procedure B Message-ID: <1119382866.617058.63830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:  > > J > > Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem. >  > I > BIG WARNING:  SET NOON  disables error handling at the DCL level. So if D > one command fails or has syntax error, the DCL procedure continues > happily, or so it thinks.     C So just disable error checking just before your BACKUP commands and F reenable it after. I prefer ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN ... instead because aB sever error from BACKUP is usually or always very bad news whereasF warnings and errors, while they may be cause for concern, are not show7 stoppers. Still, you should review your logs of course!     H > Adding SET NOON will  NOT change the success of your commands. It willG > "hide" problems under the table. If your goal is to have complete and J > trustable backups, you need to fix the errors so that even without a SET) > NOON, the backup completes succesfully.     F You can do this only on a totally quiescent disk. If any file changes,< you'll get an -E- error on the verify pass. Remember, he had7 /IGNORE=INTERLOCK so he is probably doing a hot backup.    One thing you can do is    $ ...  $ ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN EXIT  $ BACKUP ... $ BACKUP ... $ ON ERROR THEN EXIT $ ...   F As usual, it depends on the requirements of your site as to what levelE you want to take this to. Since he's using /IGNORE=INTERLOCK, I think % the code example above is sufficient.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 12:56:45 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Backup Procedure C Message-ID: <1119383805.122113.244030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:  > AEF   Jun 21, 12:51 pm:  >  > >WeLikeN...@gmail.com wrote:K > >> Adding "Set noon"  before the first backup command solved the problem. @ > >> Thanks to all who posted to this thread.  Your help is muchK > >> appreciated, and I'll certainly comb back through and try to integrate 1 > >> the various suggestions made.  Thanks again.  > H > >You mean the BACKUP command containing both /IMAGE and DKC0:[*...]*.*$ > >worked? If it did, I'm surprised. > 3 > Well, we didn't use /IMAGE with DKC0:, just DKA0: I > But you're correct in stating that it wouldn't work, and so we modified  > that statement.   B You normally want to use /IMAGE when you do a full backup. This isA especially important for the system disk so that you preserve the @ system aliases! A [*...] full backup will not preserve aliases.  [...]    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 12:32:35 -0700  From: "mas" <mas769@hotmail.com>. Subject: Fleeing Compaq customer caught by SunC Message-ID: <1119382355.159154.133650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   6 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/20/sun_hp_aussie/   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 12:45:52 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 2 Subject: Re: Fleeing Compaq customer caught by SunB Message-ID: <1119383152.733471.42720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  7 this is a unix customer, and one who doesn't understand 2 os's very well or he would have been on OpenVMS in8 the first place ... no vms customer would switch to that$ garbage ... ever!  They know better!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:36:03 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm/ Message-ID: <42b85733$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:3 > there are justified wars ... world war I, II, and / > 9/11 ... God allowed the Israelites to attack . > their enemies ... and if someone breaks into. > your home and threatens you and family, then2 > you have a right to self defense ... abortion is/ > plain murder condemned by God ... Gid said He 7 > also hates divorce ... their will be a lot of wailing . > and knashing of teeth as the bible says when- > excuses will not work at your judgement ...   ? Yes guys.  I'm afraid Bob is correct.  The desert deity of the  I Israelites, YaHWeH, is a warrior, and so have been his people(s).  There   is clear mandate  2    The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.   Exodus 15:3 K http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=15&verse=3&version=9    and unequivocal precedent ...   D YaHWeH commanded the Israelites to completely eradicate the peoples * (Arabs) possessing the lands given to them  G    And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt D    smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant&    with them, nor shew mercy unto them   Dueteronomy 7:2 J http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=7&verse=2&version=9  ; (sometimes refered to as ethnic cleansing, a.k.a. genocide)   @    And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both manA    and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the     edge of the sword   Joshua 6:21 K http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=6&verse=21&version=9   - YaHWeH also made legitimate the spoils of war   A    And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the =    war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the     congregation   
 Numbers 31C http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&version=9   A    And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains C    of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle     of the congregation  
 Numbers 31:54 L http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&verse=54&version=9  2 while in victory the killing of all boys and women  @    Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill5    every woman that hath known man by lying with him.   
 Numbers 31:17 L http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&verse=17&version=9  , but sparing the young - and virginal - girls  F    But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with!    him, keep alive for yourselves   
 Numbers 31:18 L http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&verse=18&version=9  I YaHWeH is so concerned with the hymen that not having it intact can be a   capital offense   B    And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying,C    I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of B    my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth beforeB    the elders of the city ... Then they shall bring out the damselC    to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall &    stone her with stones that she die:   Dueteronomy 22:17,21L http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&verse=17&version=9  L On divorce YaHWeH does appear to be a little ambiguous (at least temporally)  E    When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass B    that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found someD    uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement,D    and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.  And whenD    she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's    wife.   Dueteronomy 24:1K http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=24&verse=1&version=9   ) but is absolutely unequivocal on adultery   C    If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then E    they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman,     and the woman.    Dueteronomy 22:22 L http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&verse=22&version=9  = and even provides a laboratory test for the detection thereof   D    And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and ofC    the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall C    take, and put it into the water ... And when he hath made her to ?    drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be @    defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the@    water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become>    bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot:   Numbers 5:17,27 B http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=5&version=9  F On abortion YaHWeH seems unusually quiet but post-natal is personally 
 less hesitant   C    And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, C    and it was very sick ... And it came to pass on the seventh day,     that the child died.    2 Samuel 15:18D http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=10&chapter=12&version=9   indeed  E    Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against     the stones.   Psalms 137:9M http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=137&verse=9&version=9   J Clearly there are a number of lessons for the modern world in all of this.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 11:16:21 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmB Message-ID: <1119377780.998218.98050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  A wrong again Bill as usual ... the iraqis want us their until they 8 can defend themselves and set up their new democracy ...4 the troublemakers are coming from syria and Iran ...   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 11:34:33 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmC Message-ID: <1119378873.371139.219580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   ? God allowed the above as judgement for sin ... our sin can have  terribleD consequences for not only ourselves but for our children as well ...  T http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&version=31&context=chapter   Adultery  E     27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 E But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already E committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes C you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to E lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into G hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw D it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for  your whole body to go into hell.   Divorce   G     31 "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a D certificate of divorce.' 32  But I tell you that anyone who divorcesD his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become anG adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:51:37 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm9 Message-ID: <ZkZte.17$BN3.10812@twister.southeast.rr.com>    Bob,  " Please send me your email address.   kfarmer at openvms dot org   Ken   % _____________________________________ " Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-7376# OpenVMS.org: http://www.OpenVMS.org ' dba.OpenVMS.org: http://dba.OpenVMS.org ' dcl.OpenVMS.org: http://dcl.OpenVMS.org       ' <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  = news:1119378873.371139.219580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... A > God allowed the above as judgement for sin ... our sin can have 
 > terribleF > consequences for not only ourselves but for our children as well ... > V > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&version=31&context=chapter > 
 > Adultery > F >    27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28G > But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already G > committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes E > you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to G > lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into I > hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw F > it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for" > your whole body to go into hell. > 	 > Divorce  > H >    31 "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her aF > certificate of divorce.' 32  But I tell you that anyone who divorcesF > his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become anI > adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:27:33 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm/ Message-ID: <42b86345$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>   + Aawww bugga!  I've just added to the noise. ' Now I'll have to get off my high-horse.    Mark Daniel wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > 4 >> there are justified wars ... world war I, II, and0 >> 9/11 ... God allowed the Israelites to attack/ >> their enemies ... and if someone breaks into / >> your home and threatens you and family, then 3 >> you have a right to self defense ... abortion is 0 >> plain murder condemned by God ... Gid said He8 >> also hates divorce ... their will be a lot of wailing/ >> and knashing of teeth as the bible says when . >> excuses will not work at your judgement ... >  > A > Yes guys.  I'm afraid Bob is correct.  The desert deity of the  K > Israelites, YaHWeH, is a warrior, and so have been his people(s).  There   > is clear mandate > 3 >   The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.  >  > Exodus 15:3 M > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=15&verse=3&version=9  >  > and unequivocal precedent ...  > F > YaHWeH commanded the Israelites to completely eradicate the peoples , > (Arabs) possessing the lands given to them > H >   And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shaltE >   smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant ' >   with them, nor shew mercy unto them  >  > Dueteronomy 7:2 L > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=7&verse=2&version=9 > = > (sometimes refered to as ethnic cleansing, a.k.a. genocide)  > A >   And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man B >   and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the >   edge of the sword  > 
 > Joshua 6:21 M > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=6&verse=21&version=9  > / > YaHWeH also made legitimate the spoils of war  > B >   And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the> >   war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the >   congregation >  > Numbers 31E > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&version=9  > B >   And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captainsD >   of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle >   of the congregation  >  > Numbers 31:54 O > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&verse=54&version=9   >  > 4 > while in victory the killing of all boys and women > A >   Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill 6 >   every woman that hath known man by lying with him. >  > Numbers 31:17 O > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&verse=17&version=9   >  > . > but sparing the young - and virginal - girls > G >   But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with " >   him, keep alive for yourselves >  > Numbers 31:18 O > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&verse=18&version=9   >  > K > YaHWeH is so concerned with the hymen that not having it intact can be a   > capital offense  > C >   And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, D >   I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens ofC >   my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before C >   the elders of the city ... Then they shall bring out the damsel D >   to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall' >   stone her with stones that she die:  >  > Dueteronomy 22:17,21O > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&verse=17&version=9   >  > C > On divorce YaHWeH does appear to be a little ambiguous (at least  
 > temporally)  > F >   When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to passC >   that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some E >   uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, E >   and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.  And when E >   she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's 	 >   wife.  >  > Dueteronomy 24:1M > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=24&verse=1&version=9  > + > but is absolutely unequivocal on adultery  > D >   If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, thenF >   they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, >   and the woman. >  > Dueteronomy 22:22 O > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&verse=22&version=9   >  > ? > and even provides a laboratory test for the detection thereof  > E >   And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of D >   the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shallD >   take, and put it into the water ... And when he hath made her to@ >   drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she beA >   defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the A >   water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become ? >   bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot:  >  > Numbers 5:17,27 D > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=5&version=9 > H > On abortion YaHWeH seems unusually quiet but post-natal is personally  > less hesitant  > D >   And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David,D >   and it was very sick ... And it came to pass on the seventh day, >   that the child died. >  > 2 Samuel 15:18F > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=10&chapter=12&version=9 >  > indeed > F >   Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against >   the stones.  >  > Psalms 137:9P > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=137&verse=9&version=9  >  > L > Clearly there are a number of lessons for the modern world in all of this.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jun 2005 20:42:41 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm7 Message-ID: <Xns967CE748273C9dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   $ %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Mark Daniel wrote in' news:42b86345$1@duster.adelaide.on.net    - > Aawww bugga!  I've just added to the noise. ) > Now I'll have to get off my high-horse.   K Actually, I think I trolled Bob into this insanity in the first place.  He  K was on the way, but something told me that this was one of the people that  G Leo Strauss intended to be manipulated by the "elite" followers of his  L political ideology.  I didn't expect a politically incorrect joke to result & in promises of hellfire and damnation.  B However, considering Bob first turned up posting here like B1FF...     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 15:55:45 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com% Subject: Re: Jensen Coming On-line... C Message-ID: <1119394545.025156.139840@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote: H > Earlier this season, I acquired a bunch of old gear from a local gent.> > Included was an AXP-150, aka Jensen and a BA353 "pizza box". > H > I got it started up o.k., but he couldn't give me any disks. I've beenD > slowly acquiring old disks off eBay and I have enough to add up to> > around 14GB(formatted) of disk, if I take an RZ28 out of theI > StorageWorks canister it's currently in and mount it internally. I also J > have a couple of RRD43/44 CD-ROMs I could use them to add another 1GB orJ > so of RO storage, using my other little Alpha and Wintel PC to burn full > CDs of stuff.  > H > My Netgear Firewall/Router allows me to open certain ports for inboundA > connection requests. I'm hoping to use DYNDNS.ORG to provide an C > anonymous FTP download source for freeware and such (oh, no - not 2 > ANOTHER one!), once I get this puppy on the air. > I > I also acquired a couple of 150MHz Multias. I'm hoping I can use one at D > work to INIT/ERASE a bunch of disks we gotta get rid of. I have anG > AlphaStation-255 at work, but it's sick and won't boot (POST hangs at J > "f4."). It may still be under contract, but if not, I'll be using my ownE > collection of Multia resources to see if I can spin up one of these 
 > puppies. >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  E Two things; don't forget about the BA353 cooling limitations; 5400RPM  disks only in that box.   E Second: the SCSI interface card in Jensens is extremely finicky about F cable lengths and such, and in most cases you will find you cannot runG internal _and_ external devices on the same card.  When we had a Jensen B we ran all disks internally; a 1GB system disk and two 4.3GB RZ29sG (which had front mounted drive fan coolers to keep them going); thats a F creditable amount of storage inside the box.  Its possible some of theC RZ40-style 9GB narrow disks might work inside with suitable cooling G also (I have an IBM DDRS-39130 fast narrow 9.1GB disk working perfectly ) in an AS200; never tried it in a Jensen).   G If you really want to run SCSI both inside and outside of a Jensen, you D need to find a second 1742 interface card (with the right ROM on it,< which is a pain since the far more common cards won't work).  F We used an old MicroVAX 3100-10e to nuke the large majority of the oldD narrow disks we had to get rid of a while ago; TEST 75 or TEST 76 atE console level (can't recall which), and walk away for anywhere from a * few hours to a day while it chugs along...   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:24:53 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: Jensen Coming On-line... + Message-ID: <42B8AFD5.CA3D7A2A@comcast.net>    jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: J > > Earlier this season, I acquired a bunch of old gear from a local gent.@ > > Included was an AXP-150, aka Jensen and a BA353 "pizza box". > > J > > I got it started up o.k., but he couldn't give me any disks. I've beenF > > slowly acquiring old disks off eBay and I have enough to add up to@ > > around 14GB(formatted) of disk, if I take an RZ28 out of theK > > StorageWorks canister it's currently in and mount it internally. I also L > > have a couple of RRD43/44 CD-ROMs I could use them to add another 1GB orL > > so of RO storage, using my other little Alpha and Wintel PC to burn full > > CDs of stuff.  > > J > > My Netgear Firewall/Router allows me to open certain ports for inboundC > > connection requests. I'm hoping to use DYNDNS.ORG to provide an E > > anonymous FTP download source for freeware and such (oh, no - not 4 > > ANOTHER one!), once I get this puppy on the air. > > K > > I also acquired a couple of 150MHz Multias. I'm hoping I can use one at F > > work to INIT/ERASE a bunch of disks we gotta get rid of. I have anI > > AlphaStation-255 at work, but it's sick and won't boot (POST hangs at L > > "f4."). It may still be under contract, but if not, I'll be using my ownG > > collection of Multia resources to see if I can spin up one of these  > > puppies. > >  > > -- > > David J Dachtera > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > - > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: & > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > > , > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > > & > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > >  > > Coming soon:* > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > G > Two things; don't forget about the BA353 cooling limitations; 5400RPM  > disks only in that box.  > G > Second: the SCSI interface card in Jensens is extremely finicky about H > cable lengths and such, and in most cases you will find you cannot runI > internal _and_ external devices on the same card.  When we had a Jensen D > we ran all disks internally; a 1GB system disk and two 4.3GB RZ29sI > (which had front mounted drive fan coolers to keep them going); thats a H > creditable amount of storage inside the box.  Its possible some of theE > RZ40-style 9GB narrow disks might work inside with suitable cooling I > also (I have an IBM DDRS-39130 fast narrow 9.1GB disk working perfectly + > in an AS200; never tried it in a Jensen).  > I > If you really want to run SCSI both inside and outside of a Jensen, you F > need to find a second 1742 interface card (with the right ROM on it,> > which is a pain since the far more common cards won't work). > H > We used an old MicroVAX 3100-10e to nuke the large majority of the oldF > narrow disks we had to get rid of a while ago; TEST 75 or TEST 76 atG > console level (can't recall which), and walk away for anywhere from a , > few hours to a day while it chugs along...  G Closest I could come to that would be VAXstation-4000/VLC. Almost small F enough to fit my back-pack, and easily accomodates a console terminal.  4 Hhmmm... I'll have to give that some more thought...  G I really did want to show off an Alpha Multia running VMS, though. Darn G near the smallest Alpha I can think of, if not THE smallest (other than 	 Tadpole).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:55:38 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> . Subject: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk4 Message-ID: <42b870b9$0$30780$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  I How do you write the boot block of a disk that you just populated with a  < standalone backup/init/ver/ima from a VMS distribution disk?  , Does the /image copy the boot block as well?   Tx,    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:13:45 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 2 Subject: Re: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk2 Message-ID: <Zx_te.7447$QS5.5452@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <42b870b9$0$30780$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:J :How do you write the boot block of a disk that you just populated with a = :standalone backup/init/ver/ima from a VMS distribution disk?   D   OpenVMS VAX is the only platform that still has Standalone BACKUP,A   though you can (also) boot OpenVMS VAX from most any recent CD     distro kit.     E   OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 use a bootable-media distribution and D   a full OpenVMS environment for tasks formerly involving Standalone	   BACKUP.      FWIW.   - :Does the /image copy the boot block as well?   D   BACKUP/IMAGE provides the bootblock -- it sort-of copies it and itF   sort-of reconstitutes it.  (It's not as simple as you might expect.)  D   There are wholely new boot-related structures for OpenVMS I64 (qv:C   SET BOOTBLOCK and the SYS$SETBOOT.EXE image), and the version of  C   BACKUP/IMAGE shipping with that platform and with the cross-tools "   kit knows how to deal with that.  F   [I'm quite familiar with SYS$SETBOOT and with older WRITEBOOT, FWIW,E   and with the code that the current versions of BACKUP are using for $   its bootblock-related operations.]    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:42:56 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: My Multia Adventure+ Message-ID: <42B8D030.EE4D59C2@comcast.net>   D As I mentioned in another post, I acquired a couple of Alpha MultiasG recently. One of them has an external SCSI connector, but both are only  the 150MHz(?) variety.  F In going over my collection of Multia info., and knowing now what I'veE learned about VMS since then, I'm trying something "off the map": I'm B installing V7.2-2 to an RZ26 on the Jensen. Then, I'll try PRODUCTF INSTALL * using /SOURCE=DVA0:[VMS$COMMON], as the Multia Release notesH indicate to do after doing the alternate boot on the Multia (this causesH the loader(s) to seek the SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0B04.EXE file (and/or others)F from the diskette if not found on the boot disk) with an existing V7.2H install on a hard disk. In my case, of course, the Jensen won't need theH alternate boot technique and PRODUCT INSTALL should add the needed filesE to the RZ26 so that when I get the Multia connected to the pizza box, . the RZ26 should be all set to boot the Multia.  H Of course, that's only part of the battle. Once I get this done, I gottaH spin up the Multia and verify the SRM and the memory, then hope that the external SCSI idea will fly.  " T'will be int'resting, I'm sure...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:10:39 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>Y Subject: Open VMS BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) Computing)Co / Message-ID: <BEDE32CF.FE6B%roktsci@comcast.net>   > Has anyone done the Open Source port of BOINC for OpenVMS AXP?   Jeff   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 13:02:54 -0700' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS and XML questionsC Message-ID: <1119384174.897152.296690@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John Vottero wrote: 4 > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message? > news:1119366705.817872.137660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... J > > How would I set up communication between an OpenVMS process written inG > > FORTRAN or C and the environmental control system PC that, I guess,  > > functions as a XML server. > >  > F > That depends completely on the PC.  What's the PC serving up?  Is it6 > listening on a TCP port?  Is it sending UDP packets?  G The call it a web server.  In JavaScript example that communicates with > the web server, they use a RealTimeDataURL object.  The URL is* "http//online_demo/webclient/xmlproxy.asp"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:26:02 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS and XML questions: Message-ID: <_t0ue.2901$lv.610@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  3 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message  = news:1119384174.897152.296690@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >  >  > John Vottero wrote: 5 >> "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message @ >> news:1119366705.817872.137660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...K >> > How would I set up communication between an OpenVMS process written in H >> > FORTRAN or C and the environmental control system PC that, I guess, >> > functions as a XML server.  >> > >>G >> That depends completely on the PC.  What's the PC serving up?  Is it 7 >> listening on a TCP port?  Is it sending UDP packets?  > I > The call it a web server.  In JavaScript example that communicates with @ > the web server, they use a RealTimeDataURL object.  The URL is, > "http//online_demo/webclient/xmlproxy.asp" >   ? Get cURL and/or LibcURL.  See http://curl.haxx.se/ for details.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:26:32 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Problem with reboot+ Message-ID: <42B8B037.E913CD5A@comcast.net>    Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:42B75A7F.FCFE68DA@comcast.net...  > > "Doc." wrote: J > > Suggestion: Avoid ALLOCLASS 2. This is where one finds MGA devices (FC
 > > tape). > >  > J > No problems with Allocation class 2. There is no other devices named MGA" > than fibre channel tape devices.  / Best not to confuse the ALLCLASS issue, though.   N > You can have more problems with multiple FC storage systems, because all DGAJ > devices share the same allocation class (same is true for MGA devices on > multple NSRs)   . I *HAVE* MGAs via multiple NSRs! ...at work...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:28:16 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Problem with reboot+ Message-ID: <42B8B0A0.6A8CCE2A@comcast.net>    Rob Brooks wrote:  > 6 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > "Doc." wrote:  > >>J > >> I'm currently trying to enable shadowing on Deathrow node DAHMER, butH > >> have hit a snag.  This is on VMS 7.2, and I don't think there's any > >> patches installed. :( > >>% > >> I edited MODPARAMS.DAT and added  > >> SHADOWING=2 > >> ALLOCLASS=2 > > Q > > Suggestion: Avoid ALLOCLASS 2. This is where one finds MGA devices (FC tape).  > ? > Fibre Channel tapes were not supported on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2;   8 See the Release Notes / New Features / ECOs for  V7.2-2.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:32:12 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: State of the art?- Message-ID: <42B8410C.949.16082475@localhost>   C I ran across an interesting ad in an amateur radio magazine ("CQ")  1 from a company call SGC.  The picture looks like:    	<pix of device> 	1985: State of the art.   	<same pix, a little bigger> 	1995: State of the art.   	<same pix, even bigger> 	2005: State of the art.   The text is:  # History repeats itself.   <in bold> B [...] was the industry breakthrough in 1985 and is still the gold  standard today.  [...]% Twenty years old, and still in style.     C HP should "borrow" this idea for the next VMS brochure.  Or even a  	 poster...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:39:43 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 6 Message-ID: <00A45A10.AC335DA6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  Z In article <11bgjmh48p19l2e@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >Larry Kilgallen wrote: t >> In article <C+mxl1bPAY5l@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>  g >>>In article <42b73f8f$0$32421$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:  >>> @ >>>>Friends, the problem with PCs is not the cpu it's the M$ OS. >>>> >>> 4 >>>   Pentium math is OK with your financials, then? >  >Excellant shot! > 6 >> Wasn't the Pentium math problem in floating point ? >>  L >> If I do financials in floating point I have bigger problems than Pentium. > H >It's in my (usually feeble these days) mind that some VAXs running VMS G >used the floating point processor for some calculations.  Neither the  G >operands not the result were floating point, but the FP processor was  ; >used for performance.  I just cannot remember the details.   E When the FP processor on my 11/750 was flaking out, the password hash F calculations didn't work and people couldn't log in.  If I reset theirJ passwords from an already-logged-in SYSTEM account, they could log in, butG later the flaky FP would go back to the former state and the new hashes ; wouldn't work while the old ones did.  (It took a long time G to figure out that it was the FP processor, because we used the 750 for G database, email, admin applications and the 780 for heavy calculation.)    -- Alan    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:46:06 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? 2 Message-ID: <28_te.7446$TO5.2765@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <1119357013.344505.187510@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes: F :Okay, another odd platform support question.  Does anyone know if VMS, :will boot on an AlphaPC 264DP based system?  F   The AlphaPC 264DP is not an officially supported platform, and AFAIKF   there has been no coding, engineering nor testing for this platform.  G   You might want to see Ask The Wizard (3360) -- I've heard a very few  F   unsubstantiated and unconfirmed tales from a few hobbyist folks thatE   have gotten this series EV6-class motherboard to bootstrap OpenVMS. F   Again, there is no official nor formal support for the AlphaPC 264DP>   platform, no testing, and (AFAIK) no plans to add support.    I   If you are going attempt this as a hobbyist and you have supported SCSI I   and graphics and other such hardware, I'd not try to bootstrap anything J   earlier than a fully-patched V7.1-2 or V7.2-1, and would most definitely5   select something newer than that -- V7.3-2 or V8.2.   I   If some or all of the configuration does not work, the configuration is /   not something that you can get support for.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 13:25:03 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? B Message-ID: <1119385503.001904.75910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > In article <1119357013.344505.187510@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes: H > :Okay, another odd platform support question.  Does anyone know if VMS. > :will boot on an AlphaPC 264DP based system? > H >   The AlphaPC 264DP is not an officially supported platform, and AFAIKH >   there has been no coding, engineering nor testing for this platform.  8 Once again, I was hoping it was close enough to a DS20E.   > H >   You might want to see Ask The Wizard (3360) -- I've heard a very fewH >   unsubstantiated and unconfirmed tales from a few hobbyist folks thatG >   have gotten this series EV6-class motherboard to bootstrap OpenVMS. H >   Again, there is no official nor formal support for the AlphaPC 264DP> >   platform, no testing, and (AFAIK) no plans to add support.  G Thanks for the pointer. I missed that one.  Not very hopeful there. :-(  > K >   If you are going attempt this as a hobbyist and you have supported SCSI K >   and graphics and other such hardware, I'd not try to bootstrap anything L >   earlier than a fully-patched V7.1-2 or V7.2-1, and would most definitely7 >   select something newer than that -- V7.3-2 or V8.2.  >   E I have all of the supported cards I need.  And the latest versions of 7 VMS.  I've made "white-box" 5305's and 3300's boot VMS.   K >   If some or all of the configuration does not work, the configuration is / >   not something that you can get support for.   E I can do most of my own support.  I'm just trying to keep the risk as C low as possible.  I know I could run Linux on it but I want VMS and E it'll be a hard enough sell to the financial boss (wife) since I'd be  risking about $800.    >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com   G Thanks Hoff.  Yes, this is a hobbyist effort.  I had googled but didn't E see any specific information for the 264DP board working with VMS and G was hoping someone might have tried it.  I'm just looking for something C faster than an EV56 to play with Oracle 10g but still be affordable  (relatively home use wise).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:32:06 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? 2 Message-ID: <qH%te.7455$jW5.1284@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <1119385503.001904.75910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes:  H :Thanks Hoff.  Yes, this is a hobbyist effort.  I had googled but didn'tF :see any specific information for the 264DP board working with VMS and* :was hoping someone might have tried it.    I   And do realize I have to be careful to to not indicate that the AlphaPC I   264DP is a supported OpenVMS configuration, since (duh! :-) it is not a G   supported configuration.  Questions in the form of "is it supported?" G   might well get a very different answer from the "might a hobbyist get J   it to boot?" form of the question.  In this case, "no" and "potentially,J   yes -- try it", respectively.  A subtle and arguable pedantic difference    in the question asked, I know.  H :                                         I'm just looking for somethingD :faster than an EV56 to play with Oracle 10g but still be affordable :(relatively home use wise).  F   I saw an HP Itanium system that would boot OpenVMS I64 sell a coupleG   of weeks back on eBay.  About US$700 for a reasonable system hardware D   configuration.  Saw a much nicer box sell for about US$1500.  (OneG   of the HP product offers that is/was around provided an Integrity box >   and a week of OpenVMS porting-related training for US$2000.)  E   As for home Alpha use, an AlphaStation XP1000 series is one of the  E   local favorites among some of the engineers, particularly given the F   three front-accessable storage bays, the relatively decent EV6-classE   processor speed, SCSI, and other such niceties.  It's also a rather E   reasonably-sized mini-tower configuration, with enough room to work F   inside the box -- well, if you do fill all three front I/O bays, theD   cabling access space up there can get rather tight.   (But it does   all fit.  But I digress...)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 15:33:23 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? C Message-ID: <1119393203.131833.226310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > K >   And do realize I have to be careful to to not indicate that the AlphaPC K >   264DP is a supported OpenVMS configuration, since (duh! :-) it is not a I >   supported configuration.  Questions in the form of "is it supported?" I >   might well get a very different answer from the "might a hobbyist get L >   it to boot?" form of the question.  In this case, "no" and "potentially,L >   yes -- try it", respectively.  A subtle and arguable pedantic difference" >   in the question asked, I know. >   > Yes, I know.  You'll notice my original post asked the bootingC question, not the supported question.  I know better than that. ;-)   H >   I saw an HP Itanium system that would boot OpenVMS I64 sell a coupleI >   of weeks back on eBay.  About US$700 for a reasonable system hardware F >   configuration.  Saw a much nicer box sell for about US$1500.  (OneI >   of the HP product offers that is/was around provided an Integrity box @ >   and a week of OpenVMS porting-related training for US$2000.) >   G Oracle won't be available on Integrity until sometime in the Fall (from F the roadmaps, but more likely next Summer from expereince) so althoughD I'd love to get one ( and I've been looking - I must have missed the: one you mentioned) it won't do me much good at the moment.  F >   As for home Alpha use, an AlphaStation XP1000 series is one of theG >   local favorites among some of the engineers, particularly given the H >   three front-accessable storage bays, the relatively decent EV6-classG >   processor speed, SCSI, and other such niceties.  It's also a rather G >   reasonably-sized mini-tower configuration, with enough room to work H >   inside the box -- well, if you do fill all three front I/O bays, theF >   cabling access space up there can get rather tight.   (But it does >   all fit.  But I digress...)  >   F I've been watching those too but the last ones I saw went for over $1KC each and at the time it was out of my price range (still is... I've F been thinking about the $250 bare-box DL10L that Dave Turner at Island> has.  As long as I can get a serial console connection and use9 DECwindows remotely the one-slot PCI limit isn't too bad)   G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com   7 As always you've been a great help.  Thanks a lot Hoff!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:48:54 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? ( Message-ID: <opssq57sa5zgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:32:06 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:  E >  As for home Alpha use, an AlphaStation XP1000 series is one of the G >   local favorites among some of the engineers, particularly given the H >   three front-accessable storage bays, the relatively decent EV6-classG >   processor speed, SCSI, and other such niceties.  It's also a rather G >   reasonably-sized mini-tower configuration, with enough room to work H >   inside the box -- well, if you do fill all three front I/O bays, theF >   cabling access space up there can get rather tight.   (But it does >   all fit.  But I digress...)  >   I I can second that, have four of them, but they do tend to run quite warm. I BTW,  I tried overclocking, didn't work for me, later I learned that this B is possible if your system has the rom module from IBM rather thanK motorola, allowing you to run at 667 rather tham 500.  But even at 500 they 2 seem faster than PWS at 600  (have 4 of those too)   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 19:12:51 -0700 From: rcbryan@hotmail.com : Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?C Message-ID: <1119406371.889643.321760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G Sorry for taking so long to say thanks but the #*&(% company I work for D these days does not allow me to access the internet from the office.  $ To the people who suggested I enter:  
 SET CONTROL=Y  or) write sys$output f$environment("control")   F Thank you.  All I needed was a nudge in the right direction.  I lookedD and I looked in the docs and help systems and I never found anything that seemed relevant.   G To the people who suggested I RTFM.... I have access to the manuals but ? they don't do much good if you have no idea what is causing the  problem.  C When I am working on software that I don't have manuals for, I hear / this voice "The source, Luke!  Use the source!"    Regards,	 /RC Bryan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:53:43 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: OT: Why does Bob post? ( was Re: Intel neuters M ontvale, Itani 0 Message-ID: <11bgksi3pj9s1b8@corp.supernews.com>   Michael Clark wrote:B > Are you a full blown community troll or just a religious zealot?2 > Please let me know so I can adjust my kill list.  ? It's never that easy.  boob is, well, just boob.  Nothing else.   @ In 2001 he swallowed everything Compaq said about killing Alpha.  D He has a track record of believing things without substantial proof.  H He proclaimed for several years that when the 'EV8 itanic' arrived that , VMS would then run on the best, fastest CPU.  D It took him 4 years to see what many saw immediately, that with the I death of Alpha, VMS was dependant upon the whims of Intel, and could end  % up 'homeless' if Intel killed itanic.   G He's posted some helpful technical details.  Things are never black or   white.  I I wonder whether the normal human lifespan is long enough for him to see  I that some of his beliefs are as flawed as his acceptance of Compaqs lies   about Alpha and itanic.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.346 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ԃ\HV
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