1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 22 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 347       Contents: Re: 3rd party scsi controllers6 Amende honorable (was CHARON-VAX demo does no network)# Custom DECwindows session w/Mozilla  DHCP eats my default route Re: DHCP eats my default route Re: DHCP eats my default route) Re: Fleeing Compaq customer caught by Sun 1 Re: Hackers and Microsoft Engineers, very amusing 1 Re: Hackers and Microsoft Engineers, very amusing  I'm a VMS bigot * IBM gains, IA64 loses groun on the TOP 5003 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm $ Re: LDAP API for OpenVMS v7.2 Alpha?$ RE: LDAP API for OpenVMS v7.2 Alpha?) Re: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk ) Re: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk  Re: My Multia Adventure  New Updates on OpenVMS Web Site G Re: Open VMS BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing)  Re: OpenVMS and XML questions  Re: OT: vms keyboard Reading VMS disks  Re: Reading VMS disks  Re: Reading VMS disks  Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: State of the art?  Re: State of the art?   Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP?1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 12:37:08 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) ' Subject: Re: 3rd party scsi controllers ! Message-ID: <tH5+2E1HJ78F@sinead>    In article <1119374139.440362.234910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> writes: C > I wanted to use the 2940 with VMS. I already use them with Win2k. 	 > phillip   M Some Adaptec chips seems to be supported under 7.2-3 ; the internal adaptecs  # of my DS20E are seen by the system.    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:22:50 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> ? Subject: Amende honorable (was CHARON-VAX demo does no network) 3 Message-ID: <42b911cb$0$6359$626a14ce@news.free.fr>   P I recently posted two messages in here about problems with the CHARON-VAX demo. > Honesty requests me to tell the honourable VMS Community that:  M 1. I did not read the release_notes.txt file (who does for a first time use?) 9 2. there was no installation_guide.txt nor read_me_first. ( 3. I did not install the network driver.  I This is to me a good explanation on why my CHARON-VAX demo was not doing  
 networking...   I I apologize (mainly to SRI the producers of CHARON-VAX) and will offer a  1 "tourne gnrale" during the next VMS Boot Camp.    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:02:02 GMT ) From: spud_demon@e.thundermaker.net (S D) , Subject: Custom DECwindows session w/Mozilla- Message-ID: <Kybue.1$jv6.703@news.uswest.net>   L Is there a way to make Mozilla come up in 3 different workspaces on the CDE?  J I want to use a different profile on each, which is a Mozilla command lineI option.  My question is how to make sure each one comes up in the correct  workspace.    0 Is there documentation for dt.session somewhere?  . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 08:20:16 -0700* From: "Alder" <TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com># Subject: DHCP eats my default route C Message-ID: <1119453616.002978.150130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    $ TCPIP SHOW VERSION  ;   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 4 3   on a AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 running OpenVMS V7.3   B What configuration changes to TCPIP Services might be necessary toF ensure my permanent default route is loaded dynamically when using the DHCP Client?   $ TCPIP SHOW ROUTE/PERMANENT  &                              PERMANENT  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  7 PN    0.0.0.0                               192.168.0.1 5 PH    127.0.0.1                             127.0.0.1    ...then after TCPIP startup:   $ TCPIP SHOW ROUTE  $                              DYNAMIC  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  5 AH    127.0.0.1                             127.0.0.1 7 AN    192.168.0.0/24                        192.168.0.3 7 AH    192.168.0.3                           192.168.0.3   2 My DHCP Client is configured with a CLIENT.PCY of:   $ TYPE CLIENT.PCY  class_id TCPVMS  request subnet_mask  request dns_servers  request dns_domain_name   ( The DHCP Client run log has this to say:  
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY")) $ debug level                      = 5) class ID                         = TCPVMS % start_delay                      = 10 $ retries                          = 2$ lease desired                    = 0. timeouts                         = 4,8,16,32,0( use_saved_config                 = false' accept_bootp                     = true ) rv                               = 1,6,15 3 new request from (port,ip_address) (1023,127.0.0.1)  ifname         = WE0 timeout        = 30  flags          = CP_START  server         = 0.0.0.0 ctrl_id        = 1134415572 1 Configuration of WE0 going to sleep for 2 seconds  Configuration of WE0 awake now DHCP started on WE0  DHCP configuring WE0#          subnet mask     :  0.0.0.0 #          IP address      :  0.0.0.0 ,          broadcast address:  255.255.255.255 new IFINSTANCE:  WE0 '          Internal address    = 0x40ccf8 (          State               = REBOOTING#          Busy/Idle           = IDLE $          Primary             = false           Retries             = 0           Received            = 0           Sent                = 0           Offers              = 0           Bad offers          = 0           Timer ID            = 0)          Xid                 = 0xeb576c8f            Ordinal#            = 1           Error               = 0"          Control flags       = 0x1)          Control ID          = 1134415572 0          controller          = (65283,127.0.0.1)B initReboot for interface WE0 proceeding. No other interfaces doing DHCP.  DHCP configuring WE0#          subnet mask     :  0.0.0.0 #          IP address      :  0.0.0.0 ,          broadcast address:  255.255.255.255  A sending to <sockaddr> <16.2.0.67.255.255.255.255.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0> " xid=0x1d8bcf0b secs=1 flags=0x8000D ht=1:ha=00.00.f8.21.da.f8:ip=192.168.0.3:mm=548:ct=TCPVMS:jv=65:mt=3 (DHCPREQUEST):rv=1,6,15:
 bootp packet: 9     0000: 01 01 06 00 1d 8b cf 0b 00 01 80 00 00 00 00 00 9     0016: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 f8 21       !9     0032: da f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      0048: 00... 9     0224: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 63 82 53 63    c ScG     0240: 35 01 03 2b 03 06 01 41 32 04 c0 a8 00 03 37 03     5  +   A2      7 F     0256: 01 06 0f 39 02 02 24 3c 06 54 43 50 56 4d 53 ff        9  $< TCPVMS     0272: 00...      0544: 00 00 00 00   + received  xid=0x1d8bcf0b flags=0x8000  from $ (ip_address,port#)=(192.168.0.1,1715 2) bootp packet9     0000: 02 01 06 00 1d 8b cf 0b 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 9     0016: c0 a8 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 f8 21       !9     0032: da f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      0048: 00... 9     0224: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 63 82 53 63    c Sc?     0240: 35 01 05 01 04 ff ff ff 00 33 04 00 09 3a 80 06     5  3   : 9     0256: 04 c0 a8 00 01 0f 09 65 72 65 62 75 73 2e 63 61 	 erebus.ca ?     0272: 36 04 c0 a8 00 01 03 04 c0 a8 00 01 ff 00 00 00     6      0288: 00...      0544: 00 00 00 00 P ht=1:ha=00.00.f8.21.da.f8:ci=0.0.0.0:gi=0.0.0.0:sa=0.0.0.0:yi=192.168.0.3:vm=rfcP 1048:sm=255.255.255.0:gw=192.168.0.1:ds=192.168.0.1:dn=erebus.ca:lt=604800:sv=19 2.168.0.1:mt=5 (DHCPACK):  DHCP configuring WE0)          subnet mask     :  255.255.255.0 '          IP address      :  192.168.0.3 *          broadcast address:  192.168.0.255     All clues welcome!   Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:33:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: DHCP eats my default route , Message-ID: <42B984A9.A6FF8B9E@teksavvy.com>   Alder wrote:D > What configuration changes to TCPIP Services might be necessary toH > ensure my permanent default route is loaded dynamically when using the > DHCP Client?  : Do you really need to use DHCP client on your VMS system ?  G If you have just a few machines on your lan, just configure all of them E statically.  Your router provides a stable static environment on your 0 lan side, isolated from any changes on the WAN.   @ What you want to do is configure a DHCP server on your LAN to be7 available if you have visitors that plug into your lan.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 17:46:30 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: DHCP eats my default route , Message-ID: <42b9a3f6$1@news.langstoeger.at>  p In article <1119453616.002978.150130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Alder" <TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com> writes: >$ TCPIP SHOW VERSION  > < >  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 44 >  on a AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 running OpenVMS V7.3  ; ECO 5 is current (and if you SSH, then you surely want it).   C >What configuration changes to TCPIP Services might be necessary to G >ensure my permanent default route is loaded dynamically when using the 
 >DHCP Client?   < Does your DHCP server provide routing infos (if requested) ?  3 >My DHCP Client is configured with a CLIENT.PCY of:  >  >$ TYPE CLIENT.PCY >class_id TCPVMS >request subnet_mask >request dns_servers >request dns_domain_name   How about adding   	request routers   and maybe even a   	request host_name   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:14:02 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk2 Subject: Re: Fleeing Compaq customer caught by Sun) Message-ID: <d9bdla$91o$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   ^ In article <1119383152.733471.42720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:8 >this is a unix customer, and one who doesn't understand3 >os's very well or he would have been on OpenVMS in 9 >the first place ... no vms customer would switch to that % >garbage ... ever!  They know better!  > < Tons of VMS customers have moved to Sun Solaris in the past.E If the application you use is no longer supported on VMS but is well  ( supported on Solaris what would you do ?G (At one point you might have been able to move to a similar application K supported on VMS but as more applications have been dropped on VMS that has  become much harder.)  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:06:46 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> : Subject: Re: Hackers and Microsoft Engineers, very amusing= Message-ID: <42b90e06$0$67264$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Z wrote:! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: G >> Unfortunately in the name of user friendliness Windows default is to G >> add every Wireless network you have ever connected to into it's list C >> of preferred networks and then send out probes for each of these K >> networks and finally to connect to the first one it finds automatically.  > ? > That's odd, my Windows XP Pro system doesn't behave that way.  >  > I'm prompted to connect. > . > Maybe I have a defective version of Windows?  D My windows 2003AS/EE does that.  I have a few different connections K available here in my apartment block :-)  My net is secured (no broadcast,  L encrypted and MAC address btw). Maybe I should modify that behaviour - I am 8 sure there is a button I can push somewhere to fix this.  
 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:09:32 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Hackers and Microsoft Engineers, very amusing) Message-ID: <d9bgtc$a9f$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   s In article <42b90e06$0$67264$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> writes: 	 >Z wrote: " >> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:H >>> Unfortunately in the name of user friendliness Windows default is toH >>> add every Wireless network you have ever connected to into it's listD >>> of preferred networks and then send out probes for each of theseL >>> networks and finally to connect to the first one it finds automatically. >>@ >> That's odd, my Windows XP Pro system doesn't behave that way. >> >> I'm prompted to connect.  >>/ >> Maybe I have a defective version of Windows?  > E >My windows 2003AS/EE does that.  I have a few different connections  L >available here in my apartment block :-)  My net is secured (no broadcast, M >encrypted and MAC address btw). Maybe I should modify that behaviour - I am  9 >sure there is a button I can push somewhere to fix this.  >   . Are you using WPA rather than WEP encryption ?$ WEP can be broken very very quickly.N All newer cards and access points should support WPA and you should be able toJ get firmware updates to support it on older equipment from pretty much allK vendors. (One of the design goals of WPA was that it would work on existing O cards and access points. The newer official standard 802.11i which some vendors H are calling WPA2 uses a more processor heavy encryption and requires newJ hardware. Hence it will probably be sometime before most people migrate to	 802.11i).   L For home use you will be pretty much stuck with WPA-PSK (WPA with Pre-sharedH key) unless you can setup your own radius server to use WPA with 802.1x.N WPA-PSK is OK so long as you setup a good pass-phrase (at least 20 characters)< otherwise it might be cracked using a dictionary attack (see/ http://www.tinypeap.com/html/wpa_cracker.html).   H (I was going to add that the tinypeap site also includes a beta firware K upgrade to some Linksys Acess points which adds a radius server to them so  H that you can use WPA with 802.1x. However I just noticed that they have C stopped distributing the binaries at the moment due to a copyright  N infringement issue with the FreeRadius project. Since 802.1x removes the need ? for setting up a pass phrase it removes the possibility of the   dictionary attack).       H Hiding the SSID doesn't really increase security. It only stops it beingN broadcasted by the access point - the moment someone starts using the wirelessF network the SSID is available in the clear for anyone sniffing the air+ waves. Tools such as Kismet make this easy. N Not having the SSID broadcast may also cause problems and Microsoft explicitly1 recommends against this practise see for instance > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811427  K Limiting the MAC addresses able to access your Access points is only a very O minor impediment. Again the MAC addresses of clients using the access point are K available in the clear hence it is relatively easy for someone to note them M down and then alter the MAC address of their system to match and then access   your access point.       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University              >Dr. Dweeb   >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:39:04 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>  Subject: I'm a VMS bigot4 Message-ID: <42b95be9$0$25082$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  , http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/vmsbigot.html   +   + You have one new mail when you're back home  :-)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:22:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: IBM gains, IA64 loses groun on the TOP 500 , Message-ID: <42B99E48.4286D15E@teksavvy.com>  _ http://news.com.com/New+supercomputers+overhaul+top+ranks/2100-1010_3-5756416.html?tag=nefd.top    ##E IBM built more than half the systems on the list--increasing from 216 E systems on the last list to 259 on the current list. "IBM remains the H clear leader in the Top500 list and increased its lead," organizers said in a statement.  ##     ##F Some of IBM's gains were at Hewlett-Packard's expense. HP dropped fromA 173 systems to 131. But in the broader high-performance computing @ market--not just the rarefied Top500 domain--HP leads Big Blue.   B According to market researcher IDC, HP held 34 percent of the $1.9@ billion market in the first quarter of 2005, ahead of IBM's 28.2G percent, Sun Microsystems' $12.3 percent, Dell's 11.9 percent and SGI's 
 2.6 percent.    C Chipmaker Intel also reached a milestone on the list. For the first G time, more than half the systems--254 in total--use its Xeon processor. F However, use of the higher-end Itanium processor diminished from 84 in the last list to 79.   ##    H I think it is really telling that the 8086 toy controller has evolved to8 have 254 of the top 500 systems, while IA64 only has 79.    E When Intel says that IA64 is "big iron", you'd expect it to rank much 3 higher than the 8086 in the top 500 supercomputers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:30:43 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm0 Message-ID: <11bi17u309j2506@corp.supernews.com>   Mark Daniel wrote:- > Aawww bugga!  I've just added to the noise. ) > Now I'll have to get off my high-horse.   E No, it was worth the bandwidth.  Not saying it was on a par with the  E "Leap Year" reply the DEC guy did, but your post made me think of it.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:27:56 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm0 Message-ID: <11bi12mo90aki46@corp.supernews.com>   Mark Daniel wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > 4 >> there are justified wars ... world war I, II, and0 >> 9/11 ... God allowed the Israelites to attack/ >> their enemies ... and if someone breaks into / >> your home and threatens you and family, then 3 >> you have a right to self defense ... abortion is 0 >> plain murder condemned by God ... Gid said He8 >> also hates divorce ... their will be a lot of wailing/ >> and knashing of teeth as the bible says when . >> excuses will not work at your judgement ... >  > A > Yes guys.  I'm afraid Bob is correct.  The desert deity of the  K > Israelites, YaHWeH, is a warrior, and so have been his people(s).  There   > is clear mandate   <snip of great post>  J Nicely done.  Unfortunately, the irony will only register with open minds.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:53:11 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm= Message-ID: <42b90ad7$0$67261$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Dave Weatherall wrote:> > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:45:40 UTC, bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > 4 >> everyone here will give an account for everything5 >> they ever did, spoke, or thought ... Christians do - >> not strap explosives on themselves because 6 >> killing is murder, and only God can kill ... anyone5 >> else who kills is trying to be God, and their fate 5 >> is the same as all murderers, the lake of fire ... 4 >> you sure are not very intelligent for being a vms
 >> proponent!  >  > Stupidity - I can take. ( > Overkeennes on VMS - I can understand.$ > OT discussions - I can even enjoy. >  > But  > 7 > Religous bigotry (of any denomination) I can't abide.  > G > I was going to try and point out the errors in the above claim but it  > would be a waste so  >  > Plonk    Amen to that !   Dr. Dweeb :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 05:38:16 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarmB Message-ID: <1119443896.364941.59470@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:A > God allowed the above as judgement for sin ... our sin can have 
 > terribleF > consequences for not only ourselves but for our children as well ... > V > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&version=31&context=chapter >  [...]      Bob,  C How do you square your pestering of Andrew Harrison with the Golden  Rule?    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2005 12:54:05 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm+ Message-ID: <3ht5bdFipmleU2@individual.net>   B In article <1119443896.364941.59470@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:B >> God allowed the above as judgement for sin ... our sin can have >> terrible G >> consequences for not only ourselves but for our children as well ...  >>W >> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&version=31&context=chapter  >> > [...]  >  >  > Bob, > E > How do you square your pestering of Andrew Harrison with the Golden  > Rule?  >     Please stop feeding the troll!!!   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:25:55 +0000 (UTC) = From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) - Subject: Re: LDAP API for OpenVMS v7.2 Alpha? - Message-ID: <d9bsdj$lns$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>   ~ >In article <craigberry-6C87D5.19263820062005@news.isp.giganews.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes:0 >>In article <d96lsk$182u$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,A >> jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) wrote:  >>N >>> I have OVMS v7.2-1H1, not likely to be able to convince the powers that beF >>> to upgrade it, and have a need to use a C-callable API for LDAP.   >>J >>You just want to run queries against a remote server, right?  I haven't @ >>tried it on VMS, but the Perl extension Net::LDAP oughta work: >>/ >>http://search.cpan.org/~gbarr/perl-ldap-0.33/   @ 	I need to replace RMS calls manipulating flat files in VMS with> 	LDAP calls accessing/maintaining ldap groups.  All currently ? 	implemented in C.  No desire to add yet another unixism to the 9 	mix (Perl) just now.  Thanks for the suggestion, but not  	going to work.   P +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+B | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu < | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-18189 | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:       (814) 863-3560 2 | 3 Paterno Library				"I'd rather be dancing..." B | Penn State University		    A host is a host from coast to coast,K | University Park, PA 16802	    And no one will talk to a host that's close C | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>	    Unless the host that isn't close : | EMail Professional since 1978	    Is busy, hung or dead.P +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> --	/"\ 	\ /	ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 	 X	AGAINST HTML MAIL  	/ \   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:34:37 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: LDAP API for OpenVMS v7.2 Alpha? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB650CEF@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----I > From: j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818 [mailto:jlw@psulias.psu.edu]=20  > Sent: June 22, 2005 10:26 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: LDAP API for OpenVMS v7.2 Alpha?  >=20 > >In article=20> > <craigberry-6C87D5.19263820062005@news.isp.giganews.com>,=20: > "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes:2 > >>In article <d96lsk$182u$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,C > >> jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) wrote:  > >>@ > >>> I have OVMS v7.2-1H1, not likely to be able to convince=20 > the powers that beJ > >>> to upgrade it, and have a need to use a C-callable API for LDAP. =20 > >>< > >>You just want to run queries against a remote server,=20 > right?  I haven't=20B > >>tried it on VMS, but the Perl extension Net::LDAP oughta work: > >>1 > >>http://search.cpan.org/~gbarr/perl-ldap-0.33/  >=20B > 	I need to replace RMS calls manipulating flat files in VMS withB > 	LDAP calls accessing/maintaining ldap groups.  All currently=20A > 	implemented in C.  No desire to add yet another unixism to the ; > 	mix (Perl) just now.  Thanks for the suggestion, but not  > 	going to work.  >=20? > +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon=20  > full of mag tapes"--+ . > | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet: =20 > Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu=20> > | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-1818/ > | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:      =20  > (814) 863-3560  	 [snip...]   	 Lance,=20   H The official recommendation for using LDAP would likely be to follow theC recommendations as outlined in the Guide to Security OpenVMS doc's:   C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-q2hlg-te/aa-q2hlg-te.HTMl    Also, reference:/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.html    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:10:30 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> 2 Subject: Re: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk3 Message-ID: <42b90eed$0$6382$626a14ce@news.free.fr>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:   f > In article <42b870b9$0$30780$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:L > :How do you write the boot block of a disk that you just populated with a ? > :standalone backup/init/ver/ima from a VMS distribution disk?  > F >   OpenVMS VAX is the only platform that still has Standalone BACKUP,C >   though you can (also) boot OpenVMS VAX from most any recent CD   >   distro kit.    > G >   OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 use a bootable-media distribution and F >   a full OpenVMS environment for tasks formerly involving Standalone >   BACKUP.  > 	 >   FWIW.  > / > :Does the /image copy the boot block as well?  > F >   BACKUP/IMAGE provides the bootblock -- it sort-of copies it and itH >   sort-of reconstitutes it.  (It's not as simple as you might expect.)  O Merci Hoff. Forgot to say that it was a VAX/VMS Hobbyist CD question. Yes, the  3 disk was bootable without problem after the backup.   O Btw, thanks for all your dedication during the show in Nashua. Was good to see  
 you again.   D.  O PS: for those who read my (cancelled) post about "CHARON-VAX demo does not MOP  M boot", the first reason was because I did not install the network driver :-(  O then I did and it failed again then I realized that I was trying to MOP boot a   "VAX" from... my Alpha :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 10:18:11 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: mc writeboot on a backuped/image disk, Message-ID: <42b93ae3$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <42b90eed$0$6382$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: P >then I did and it failed again then I realized that I was trying to MOP boot a  >"VAX" from... my Alpha :-)   L No problem. I did it for years (booting my VAXstations from my Alphaserver).G Of course you need a VAX system disks for them on the bootserver and it G is not supported (in fact CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM didn't know how to do it).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 07:29:11 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com  Subject: Re: My Multia AdventureB Message-ID: <1119450551.016051.24060@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F > As I mentioned in another post, I acquired a couple of Alpha MultiasI > recently. One of them has an external SCSI connector, but both are only  > the 150MHz(?) variety.  @ Alpha UDBs came in 166MHz fixed CPU, 166MHz socketed, and 233MHzE socketed.  The fixed CPU had a fixed cache; I think the socketed ones % came with socketed/upgradeable cache.   F I ran VMS on a UDB for a while using an external cabinet with one RZ28F disk and one CDROM; worked fine.  Its the internal scsi units you needF to be careful of; even with a slow disk in them they run very hot.  MyF solution was to purchase a slot cover with an adapter that went from aE 50-pin IDC (standard internal narrow SCSI) inside to an HD50 external 5 socket; that converted the internal SCSI to external.   C Can't help at all with your VMS installation methods; I never tried F that.  Be aware that a UDB with a low or dead battery can appear to be2 broken and mafunction in various interesting ways.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:44:09 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ( Subject: New Updates on OpenVMS Web SiteR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB650CE4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All,  9 The following might be of interest to those on this list: : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.html (What's new site)   Extract from above: H - Information Builders (ISV partner) now on OpenVMS Integrity as well as Alpha:1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/ibi/index.html   4 - What's coming in OpenVMS V8.2-1 Integrity Release:> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/features_benefits_chart.html  2 - New OpenVMS ISV's cert'ed on Integrity:(listing)- http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/index.html    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 01:13:44 -0700* From: "MDPlatts" <martin.platts@cdl.co.uk>P Subject: Re: Open VMS BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing)C Message-ID: <1119428024.270185.327040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote: @ > Has anyone done the Open Source port of BOINC for OpenVMS AXP? >  > Jeff  E I tried - had to port several utilities to GNV environment - but then D got stuck in a chicken/egg situation in that 2 utilities which didntG exist needed each other - automake and autoconf or something like that. 0 I've not tried since - but may revisit sometime.   Martin  , (Team Jolt Cola - Overall World #12 @ BOINC)   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 04:02:21 -0700" From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk& Subject: Re: OpenVMS and XML questionsC Message-ID: <1119436798.383149.318680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    tadamsmar wrote:I > I am researching how to read/write data points from/to an environmental A > control system using XML over an intranet to/from an VMS legacy ' > application written in FORTRAN and C.  > I > Any ideas on how to approach this?  I don't know very little about XML. G >  I am not sure what kind of XML support VMS provides.  We have TCP/IP  > for our VMS Systems.  8 A very simple XML data transfer protocol is described at@ http://www.ioserver.com/xmlcfg.htm and is probably all you need.  @ For something more complex, there is an established protocol for, sending automation XML data used in OPC. SeeD http://www.opcfoundation.org/ but you have to be a member of the OPC< Foundation to download the spec. For more links, see the OPC Programmers' Connection page at G http://www.opcconnect.com/xml.php#xmlspec But don't come to me for help ' -- I'm only just getting into this too!   C Be warned that there are current patent disputes over use of XML in  control systems. IANAL.    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 23:18:59 -0700 From: skearney@accessbee.com Subject: Re: OT: vms keyboard B Message-ID: <1119421139.747117.51990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   skearney@accessbee.com wrote:  > William Webb wrote: 9 > > On 19 Jun 2005 20:53:38 -0700, skearney@accessbee.com # > > <skearney@accessbee.com> wrote: J > > > The subject of the Dvorak keyboard has come up half a dozen times inK > > > this group.  While Keytweak may be irrelevant, the transposition dfjk K > > > with etni will increase the amount of text typed from these four home  > > > keys by almost 500%. > > >  > > >  > > > Aset keyboard K > > > It has been said that the most common letters were taken off the home F > > > row of the first typewriter keyboard to slow down the typist and > > > prevent jamming.M > > > On a Dvorak keyboard almost sixty percent of average text is typed from K > > > the home keys.  Transposing the letters 'etni' with 'dfjk'  would put L > > > more than 55% of text on the home keys, up from only 26% on the qwertyM > > > layout.  Thats more than twice the text typed without lifting a finger.  > > > K > > > The change is quite pleasant and easy to learn.  I hope you will pass  > > > this on. > > > F > > > To put e, t, n and i back where they belong, there is a keyboardK > > > remapping program that is free, downloads quickly and is very easy to F > > > use.  I am typing this post on a keyboard remapped to the 'etni'M > > > transposition layout.  The program is called 'Keytweak 2.11' and can be M > > > googled up by that name.  It is available from several sites, including  > > > PC magazine. > > > 8 > > > 1)  After you have loaded the program click start.L > > > 2)  Click the "KeyTweak" icon and a graphic of a keyboard will appear.B > > > 3)  Click the "Full Teach Mode" at the bottom of the screen.7 > > > 4)  A box will appear.  Click "Begin Teach Mode". F > > > 5)  Press the key you want to reassign, then the key you want it) > > > reassigned to, in this case D to E. & > > > 6)  Click "Remap Key#1 to Key#2"M > > > 7)  The box will disappear and the scancodes of the keys will appear in 7 > > > the "Pending Changes" window at the bottom right. J > > > 8)  Follow the same procedure (from 3) for E to D, and the remaining > > > six remaps. I > > > 9)  Click "Apply" and you will be asked if you want to turn off the $ > > > computer to apply the changes.I > > >     At the top there is also a clickable "Restore Defaults" to give " > > > you back your qwerty layout.J > > >     I was able to remap in under three minutes and restore qwerty in0 > > > thirty seconds, not including the restart. > > > J > > > You can try out the sample lines of text below to discover that your0 > > > fingers already know where etni should go. > > > 2 > > > nineteen lean little saints settle in a nest2 > > > jkjdfddj ldaj lkffld sakjfs sdffld kj a jdsf > > > - > > > an alien eats an ant antenna in atlanta - > > > aj alkdj dafs aj ajf ajfdjja kj aflajfa  > > > 2 > > > elite sense entails a siesta in a satin seat2 > > > dlkfd sdjsd djfakls a skdsfa kj a safkj sdaf > > > % > > > a stain is seen at a linen sale % > > > a sfakj ks sddj af a lkjdj sald  > > > 1 > > > a latent latin talent tast tests in seattle 1 > > > a lafdjf lafkj faldjf fasf fdsfs kj sdaffld  > > > $ > > > insane santa sails in sea salt$ > > > kjsajd sajfa sakls kj sda salf > > >  > > > Many thanks  > > >  > > >  > >  > > Looks like ROT-13 to me. > > 
 > > WWWebb > >  > > --G > > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  > > correspondence. G > > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for < > > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at' > > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/  > G >     AFAIK, the only thing that these letter swaps have in common with G > rot-13 is that ed becomes de.  The 'etni' code is easy to decipher if I > you let your fingers do the walking.  It is a decent way to find a post 6 > on google.  Thanks for your reply, Mr. Wkllkam wdbb.  B     I goofed, er becomes re in rot13, e becoming d would be rot25.  D     Kf's tujjey, buf K caj fype abouf 40 wpm buf kt somdojd comds up+ bdhkje md, my fypkjg *loois* lkid ROF-13...   #     Fhajks tor your posf, Mr. Wdbb.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 05:31:45 -0700' From: "jemcdon41" <jemcdon@hotmail.com>  Subject: Reading VMS disksC Message-ID: <1119443505.071500.199450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello,  F A little over a year ago, I took over administration of linux/Unix(HP) and VMS D cluster.  The VMS licenses expired and despite my repeated issues toD users, some of them did not copy their files to someplace where theyB can now read them.  Now, some users are requesting access to these disks.  D I don't want to re-install VMS but if I had to recover the VMS disksD what are my options?   As for hardware, I only have a VAX model 3000 and several AlphaStations.   Thanks,  j. mcdonald    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:42:17 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>  Subject: Re: Reading VMS disks4 Message-ID: <42b95caa$0$25082$626a14ce@news.free.fr>   jemcdon41 wrote:   > Hello, > H > A little over a year ago, I took over administration of linux/Unix(HP)	 > and VMS F > cluster.  The VMS licenses expired and despite my repeated issues toF > users, some of them did not copy their files to someplace where theyD > can now read them.  Now, some users are requesting access to these > disks. > F > I don't want to re-install VMS but if I had to recover the VMS disksF > what are my options?   As for hardware, I only have a VAX model 3000 > and several AlphaStations.  B When *all* VMS licenses are expired, you have three possibilities:   1. find new ones 2. change your system timeN 3. login with the system account and do *everything* you want (but networking 2 because of the lack of network products licenses).   My 2    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:55:42 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: Reading VMS disks/ Message-ID: <42B9359E.14038.19C37429@localhost>   ( On 22 Jun 2005 at 5:31, jemcdon41 wrote:H > The VMS licenses expired and despite my repeated issues to users, someG > of them did not copy their files to someplace where they can now read ? > them.  Now, some users are requesting access to these disks.    @ You're not using the VMS system much, or is the expiration very F recent?  (Like Monday)  VMS licenses usually don't have an expiration @ date.  You could get a short-term license from a VMS Ambassador.   & > I don't want to re-install VMS [...]  F You don't need to re-install VMS as long as you have an intact system ? disk.  You should be able to log in from the console, although   networking will be disabled.  9 > if I had to recover the VMS disks what are my options?    D Didier gave a few choices.  Another would be to pull the drives and F read them another VMS system.  I provide that as a service ]Shameless  Plug (tm)] for a small fee.   B If you need to retain the VAX system, you could migrate to CHARON- VAX:  (     http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html  ? In the interest of full disclosure, I am a CHARON-VAX reseller.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:45:32 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>  Subject: Revival of Alpha?0 Message-ID: <11bijohmcito28a@corp.supernews.com>   I have just a sinple question.  K What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor. 3 Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing? K Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development ongoing * (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) )  6 We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS.  < I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium( equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes.   That worries me...  I Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even a $ glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium. Worrying to say the least...     DT       --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:40:15 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?4 Message-ID: <42b95c30$0$25082$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:     > I have just a simple question. ../..   G David, I thought you were a serious person, and now you start trolls...  :-)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:48:22 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?0 Message-ID: <11binea1ieijj6b@corp.supernews.com>  - NO troll intended... but I really am curious. I I still cannot believe that HP is crazy enough to just abandon the Alpha. @ They had a perfectly round wheel and now they have gone to a new "'better"hexagonal wheel.     I mean, what would it take...??? Retooliing at Intel??? Samsung contract renewal?      DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   : "Didier Morandi" <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> wrote in message. news:42b95c30$0$25082$626a14ce@news.free.fr.../ > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > " > > I have just a simple question. > ../..  > I > David, I thought you were a serious person, and now you start trolls...  > :-)  >  > D.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2005 12:59:52 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?+ Message-ID: <3ht5m8FipmleU3@individual.net>   0 In article <11bijohmcito28a@corp.supernews.com>,B 	"David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes:  > I have just a sinple question. > M > What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor.    An act of God?  5 > Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing?    Yes.  M > Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development ongoing , > (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) )  @ Most unlikely.  That would be an admission by the heads of Intel= that they made a mistake.  Never going to happen, even if the " only other option were bankruptcy.   > 8 > We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS. > > > I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium* > equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes.  @ I have only seen one Itanium running VMS.  It was not bought but? was, as most people here have suspected, provided by HP gratis, = Personally, I doubt that any itaniums have actually been sold * other than the few that are running Linux.   >  > That worries me... > K > Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even a & > glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium. > Worrying to say the least...  B I feel safe saying that if HP had not given the datacenter here anB Itanium to play with there is little if any likelihood they would B have bought one now or int he foreseeable future.  I do not expect that we are unique in any way.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2005 13:00:58 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?+ Message-ID: <3ht5oaFipmleU4@individual.net>   0 In article <11binea1ieijj6b@corp.supernews.com>,B 	"David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes:/ > NO troll intended... but I really am curious. K > I still cannot believe that HP is crazy enough to just abandon the Alpha. B > They had a perfectly round wheel and now they have gone to a new > "'better"hexagonal wheel.  > " > I mean, what would it take...??? > Retooliing at Intel??? > Samsung contract renewal?    Admission of a mistake!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:26:49 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?0 Message-ID: <11bipmcobj8cgd3@corp.supernews.com>  , I hope HP management is reading these posts!  K If HP were to go x86 - would HP put hardware restrictions on the systems to  force VMS users to purchase  specific models?E If  HP didn't, I am sure they would have a huge "black market" of VMS  installed on DELL PCs etc.H They still do it with certain NICS, Gigabit cards, scsi controllers etc.K I don't think it would be in their interests to develop the X86 platform if  not.  K My suspicions would be someone like SRI would be given carte blanche (well, K carte gris) to provide an Intel platform version such as charon vax but for K Alpha emulation - and charge hefty licensing/royalty fees either through or  in conjunction with SRI    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3ht5m8FipmleU3@individual.net... 2 > In article <11bijohmcito28a@corp.supernews.com>,C > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes: " > > I have just a sinple question. > > D > > What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha
 processor. >  > An act of God? > 7 > > Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing?  >  > Yes. > G > > Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development  ongoing . > > (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) ) > B > Most unlikely.  That would be an admission by the heads of Intel? > that they made a mistake.  Never going to happen, even if the $ > only other option were bankruptcy. >  > > : > > We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS. > > @ > > I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium, > > equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes. > B > I have only seen one Itanium running VMS.  It was not bought butA > was, as most people here have suspected, provided by HP gratis, ? > Personally, I doubt that any itaniums have actually been sold , > other than the few that are running Linux. >  > >  > > That worries me... > > K > > Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even  a ( > > glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium.  > > Worrying to say the least... > D > I feel safe saying that if HP had not given the datacenter here anC > Itanium to play with there is little if any likelihood they would D > have bought one now or int he foreseeable future.  I do not expect  > that we are unique in any way. >  > bill >  > --  L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:03:06 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?. Message-ID: <42B9375A.1437.19CA38ED@localhost>  E On 22 Jun 2005 at 9:26, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: F > My suspicions would be someone like SRI would be given carte blancheH > (well, carte gris) to provide an Intel platform version such as charonG > vax but for Alpha emulation - and charge hefty licensing/royalty fees + > either through or in conjunction with SRI   E CHARON-VAX started at the bottom end of the VAX market, and has only  B reached the top end due to Moore's Law.  Any "CHARON-Alpha" would ! probably follow the same curve.     C At the moment, the value propositiion isn't there.  They're making  B new Alphas.  And you're selling low-end Alphas pretty cheap.   :-)  - The situation will be different in a while...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:04:07 -0500 & From: Thomas Wirt <twnews@kittles.com> Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?* Message-ID: <42B96FD7.9070800@kittles.com>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:     > I have just a sinple question. > M > What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor.   I CPU development usually has 2 or 3 (if not more) overlapping development  H efforts (generations) at a time.  Alpha has lost at least 2, probably 3 E development cycles since it was canceled.  Yes, I believe it was and  G still is superior technology, but you can not turn back time.  Even if  G everything else that has been done to end Alpha development was undone  D tomorrow, Alpha would be slow and behind Itanium for years to come. F There is no development of the next Alpha going on now.  There are no E fab plants being build or tooled for the next Alpha.  Every day that  H goes by makes it more unrealistic to restart Alpha.  It is already near  impossible.   5 > Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing?   H It would not be worth it in the short term.  There is too much catching  up to be done.  M > Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development ongoing , > (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) )  I Old Alpha engineers making design changes in their heads as they work on  F other chips would be the only way that Alpha even could come close to J catching up in the next few years.  This is possible, but pretty unlikely.   > 8 > We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS. > > > I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium* > equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes.  G When Alpha was released, we all wanted something faster than the VAXen  I we had.  It still took a while for many, let alone most of us to get our  H first Alpha.  The current Itanium are no faster than the current Alpha. I   Itanium is cheaper.  By the end of next year it is likely that Itanium  - will be faster.  Then sales will start.  IMHO    >  > That worries me... > K > Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even a & > glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium. > Worrying to say the least... >  >  > DT   --     Thomas Wirt  Systems Manager  Kittle's Home Furnishings  Indianapolis, IN   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:57:13 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?( Message-ID: <opssrydnqrzgicya@hyrrokkin>  L On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:26:49 -0400, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp   <david@hpaq.net> wrote:   . > I hope HP management is reading these posts! > L > If HP were to go x86 - would HP put hardware restrictions on the systems   > to > force VMS users to purchase  > specific models?G > If  HP didn't, I am sure they would have a huge "black market" of VMS  > installed on DELL PCs etc.J > They still do it with certain NICS, Gigabit cards, scsi controllers etc.L > I don't think it would be in their interests to develop the X86 platform   > if > not. > H > My suspicions would be someone like SRI would be given carte blanche   > (well,K > carte gris) to provide an Intel platform version such as charon vax but    > for L > Alpha emulation - and charge hefty licensing/royalty fees either through   > or > in conjunction with SRI  >  > DT > H What is needed is for HP/Digital Group to have an epiphany and realize  	 that they K are a Software company currently constrained to selling there wares on HW    (i.e. B Itanium) produced by HP/UX group.  When does one size not fit all?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:06:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?, Message-ID: <42B97E66.203906A4@teksavvy.com>  / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  >   > I have just a sinple question. > M > What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor.   C I think the best we could hope is the EV79 speed bump that had been E promised on the road map and extending Alpha sales by 2-3 years until H VMS is commercially available on the 8086. But doing so woudl require HPG admit now that IA64 is not goin to last and announce right away that it  is migrating to 8086.   H The problem is that HP's real IA64 user is HP-UX and I am not sure if itF could run in big endian mode on the 8086. Does the 64 bit 8086 support big endian ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:12:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?, Message-ID: <42B97FEA.32A9C8D9@teksavvy.com>  / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > / > NO troll intended... but I really am curious. K > I still cannot believe that HP is crazy enough to just abandon the Alpha. B > They had a perfectly round wheel and now they have gone to a new > "'better"hexagonal wheel.   H HP is a PR company, not a technology company. It has strategic alliancesB with Intel and Microsoft and this is what drives the big decisions instead of what customers need.   H Everyone knows IA64 is as flop. Not everyone knows how Intel and HP will, find a way to save face and get out of IA64.E Maybe they will continue to swim upstream with IA64, going nowhere or < backwards because they don't want to be seen abandonning it.    F  Once they stop producing Alphas, it means that the VMS installed baseE will shrink in terms of number of customers. Remaining customers will F buy used Alphas of former customers. New customer won't really be able to buy alphas.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:22:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?( Message-ID: <opssr2a4bkzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:06:17 -0400, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   1 > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  >>! >> I have just a sinple question.  >>E >> What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha   
 >> processor.  > E > I think the best we could hope is the EV79 speed bump that had been G > promised on the road map and extending Alpha sales by 2-3 years until J > VMS is commercially available on the 8086. But doing so woudl require HPI > admit now that IA64 is not goin to last and announce right away that it  > is migrating to 8086.  > J > The problem is that HP's real IA64 user is HP-UX and I am not sure if itH > could run in big endian mode on the 8086. Does the 64 bit 8086 support > big endian ?L There was always a byte swap instruction, but I haven't looked at for many   years.6 Of course, solaris runs on it and they are big endian.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:24:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?, Message-ID: <42B982A9.5ECCE65D@teksavvy.com>   Thomas Wirt wrote:H > everything else that has been done to end Alpha development was undoneE > tomorrow, Alpha would be slow and behind Itanium for years to come.   H At this point in time, the bigger issue is avoiding the costly migrationH of Alpha to IA64 for customers when they think that this is only a shortH term thing and IA64 won't last. Staying with Alpha, even if not the best? performance anymore will save them mucho dollars and headaches.     G > There is no development of the next Alpha going on now.  There are no 6 > fab plants being build or tooled for the next Alpha.  C No need to. Alphas have been FABbed commercially by 3rd parties for * years now. Dates back from the Palmer era.  H And while we might not realistically expect a officioal shrink of Alpha,A we could expect the current masks to be FABbed using more precise H technology and provide yields high enough at a higher CPU speed. EG: EV7. can probably see its speed boosted some more.     G Remember that HP just released a ne version of PaRisc. So it seems that G they are aware that customers still want to avoid going to IA64.  Seems H logical to me that Alpha be given the same lifetime for sales as PaRisc.    I > goes by makes it more unrealistic to restart Alpha.  It is already near 
 > impossible.   F A wholesale restart of Alpha is not likely. But additional speed bumpsD to bridge the gap to allow customers to avoid migration to IA64 justE before migrating to the 8086 would be possible and indeed quite wise.     J >   Itanium is cheaper.  By the end of next year it is likely that Itanium/ > will be faster.  Then sales will start.  IMHO   F It isn't IA64's performance that is causing customers to distrust thatF platform. It is its lack of clear future and the failure of all of theH premises that made HP/Compaq choose IA64. It won't be industry standard,@ it won't be commodity, it remains very proprietary, no alternateG sources, has narrowing market niche only in "big iron", and the 8086 is C closing the gap and by 2007 will use the same system interfaces and G scale right up. The 8086 is industry standard, high volume, lower cost, G competition, multoiple suppliers and scales from laptop to data centre.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:45:12 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?= Message-ID: <7NSdnb51hpQUGiTfRVn-sA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Tom Linden wrote: 0 > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:06:17 -0400, JF Mezei  ' > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    ...   K >> The problem is that HP's real IA64 user is HP-UX and I am not sure if it I >> could run in big endian mode on the 8086. Does the 64 bit 8086 support  >> big endian ?  > H > There was always a byte swap instruction, but I haven't looked at for  > many  years.  / Only a drop in the bucket of endianness issues.   8 > Of course, solaris runs on it and they are big endian.   Not when running on x86.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 18:05:48 +0200( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?4 Message-ID: <cs9y8922x7n.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   1 > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > > 1 > > NO troll intended... but I really am curious. M > > I still cannot believe that HP is crazy enough to just abandon the Alpha. D > > They had a perfectly round wheel and now they have gone to a new > > "'better"hexagonal wheel.  > J > HP is a PR company, not a technology company. It has strategic alliancesD > with Intel and Microsoft and this is what drives the big decisions! > instead of what customers need.  > J > Everyone knows IA64 is as flop. Not everyone knows how Intel and HP will. > find a way to save face and get out of IA64.G > Maybe they will continue to swim upstream with IA64, going nowhere or > > backwards because they don't want to be seen abandonning it.  I For some unbelievable reason Apple are going to use them. Maybe that will  give the IA64 a bit of a push.   /andreas   --  A A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. ' Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?  A: Top-posting. ; Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:47:24 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?) Message-ID: <d9c16c$ffe$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   S In article <42B96FD7.9070800@kittles.com>, Thomas Wirt <twnews@kittles.com> writes: . >David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: > ! >> I have just a sinple question.  >>  N >> What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor. > J >CPU development usually has 2 or 3 (if not more) overlapping development I >efforts (generations) at a time.  Alpha has lost at least 2, probably 3  F >development cycles since it was canceled.  Yes, I believe it was and H >still is superior technology, but you can not turn back time.  Even if H >everything else that has been done to end Alpha development was undone E >tomorrow, Alpha would be slow and behind Itanium for years to come.    H If you had said "Alpha would be slow and behind Power for years to come"G I'd agree I'm not so sure about being behind Itanium for years to come.     G >There is no development of the next Alpha going on now.  There are no  7 >fab plants being build or tooled for the next Alpha.     N Alpha was already fabless so the lack of a fab plant shouldn't really make any5 difference. The hiatus in design work is the problem.        >Every day that I >goes by makes it more unrealistic to restart Alpha.  It is already near   >impossible. > 6 >> Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing? > I >It would not be worth it in the short term.  There is too much catching   >up to be done.  > N >> Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development ongoing- >> (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) )  > J >Old Alpha engineers making design changes in their heads as they work on G >other chips would be the only way that Alpha even could come close to  K >catching up in the next few years.  This is possible, but pretty unlikely.  >   ; Unfortunately I think the best thing we can hope for would  F probably be some further speed-bumps  whilst VMS was ported to x86-64.     >>  9 >> We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS.  >>  ? >> I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium + >> equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes.  > H >When Alpha was released, we all wanted something faster than the VAXen J >we had.  It still took a while for many, let alone most of us to get our I >first Alpha.  The current Itanium are no faster than the current Alpha.  J >  Itanium is cheaper.  By the end of next year it is likely that Itanium . >will be faster.  Then sales will start.  IMHO >   + Sorry you have a chicken and egg situation. O I have severe doubts about the long term viability of Itanium hence I will only N consider purchasing one if an awful lot of other people have already purchased: them. I suspect lots of customers will take this attitude.E Until that happens I will purchase Alpha rather than Itanium systems.   I When Alpha came out it had better performance, could in many instances be I financed out of maintenance savings on the Vax and had a credible future.           
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >>   >> That worries me...  >>  L >> Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even a' >> glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium.  >> Worrying to say the least...  >>   >>   >> DT  >  >--  >  >Thomas Wirt >Systems Manager >Kittle's Home Furnishings >Indianapolis, IN    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:17:14 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?) Message-ID: <d9c2ua$frf$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <cs9y8922x7n.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes: 0 >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > 2 >> "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote: >> >  2 >> > NO troll intended... but I really am curious.N >> > I still cannot believe that HP is crazy enough to just abandon the Alpha.E >> > They had a perfectly round wheel and now they have gone to a new  >> > "'better"hexagonal wheel. >>  K >> HP is a PR company, not a technology company. It has strategic alliances E >> with Intel and Microsoft and this is what drives the big decisions " >> instead of what customers need. >>  K >> Everyone knows IA64 is as flop. Not everyone knows how Intel and HP will / >> find a way to save face and get out of IA64. H >> Maybe they will continue to swim upstream with IA64, going nowhere or? >> backwards because they don't want to be seen abandonning it.  > J >For some unbelievable reason Apple are going to use them. Maybe that will >give the IA64 a bit of a push.  >   5 My understanding was Apple are going x86 not Itanium. ; Have you got a reference saying they are going to Itanium ?   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    	 >/andreas  >  >-- B >A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.( >Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >A: Top-posting.< >Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:39:32 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?2 Message-ID: <8vgue.7483$zl6.4129@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 In article <11bijohmcito28a@corp.supernews.com>,  A "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes:   L >What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor.   Money.  = The increased revenue would have to exceed the re-start cost. C And it would have to realistically promise to bring in more revenue % that the anticipated Itanium revenue.   E I say "increased" to mean that you can not count the current/expected K revenue for Itanium.  (And it _will_ pick up!)  A lot of any Alpha revenue  E would not be an increase, but just diverted from Itanium.  The actual 1 "increase" would be smaller than you might think.   G And the re-start cost for Alpha would be pretty much a full new startup < cost.  It isn't a matter of just turning the switch back on.  4 >Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing?  > Certainly not the people who would have to make that decision.  7 Call me pessimistic, if you will, but this is reallity.   ? On the other hand...  No, don't call me pessimistic -- Call me  7 optimistic about OpenVMS I64 on Itanium server systems.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 10:40:25 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: State of the art?, Message-ID: <42b94019$1@news.langstoeger.at>  Z In article <42B8410C.949.16082475@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:M >HP should "borrow" this idea for the next VMS brochure.  Or even a poster...   K Which is then buried at VMS ambassadors handing them out only to their well 6 known customers (eg. on VMS boot camps) or on request.  F Anyone expecting to see a HP VMS ad in the public (press/trade press)?> No, HP is too busy with their struggling 'cashcow' (printers).  K And no, I don't want to offend the VMS ambassadors (for not funding VMS ads = with their own money) only the 'head of the stinking fish'...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:08:19 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: State of the art?/ Message-ID: <42B93893.22902.19CF0017@localhost>   9 On 22 Jun 2005 at 10:40, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: H > Which is then buried at VMS ambassadors handing them out only to their= > well known customers (eg. on VMS boot camps) or on request.   9 I give these goodies to *my* customers, who haven't from  D DEC/Compaq/HP for years and years.  Many are surprised to hear that " they're not alone on the platform.  H > Anyone expecting to see a HP VMS ad in the public (press/trade press)?  D About the same chance of getting struck by lightning.  That's why I  didn't propose it.  E > And no, I don't want to offend the VMS ambassadors (for not funding G > VMS ads with their own money) only the 'head of the stinking fish'...   E Why can't HP create a "VMS Ambassador-At-Large" position for partner  B companies like us?  Give me permission to use HP's logos and some 4 electronic copies of stuff, and I'll help push it...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:35:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Consulting in Europe 0 Message-ID: <11bi1hem4030662@corp.supernews.com>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:\ > In article <11bgjmh48p19l2e@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>t >>>In article <C+mxl1bPAY5l@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>>  >>> h >>>>In article <42b73f8f$0$32421$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: >>>> >>>>A >>>>>Friends, the problem with PCs is not the cpu it's the M$ OS.  >>>>>  >>>>4 >>>>  Pentium math is OK with your financials, then? >> >>Excellant shot!  >> >>6 >>>Wasn't the Pentium math problem in floating point ? >>> L >>>If I do financials in floating point I have bigger problems than Pentium. >>I >>It's in my (usually feeble these days) mind that some VAXs running VMS  H >>used the floating point processor for some calculations.  Neither the H >>operands not the result were floating point, but the FP processor was < >>used for performance.  I just cannot remember the details. >  > G > When the FP processor on my 11/750 was flaking out, the password hash H > calculations didn't work and people couldn't log in.  If I reset theirL > passwords from an already-logged-in SYSTEM account, they could log in, butI > later the flaky FP would go back to the former state and the new hashes = > wouldn't work while the old ones did.  (It took a long time I > to figure out that it was the FP processor, because we used the 750 for I > database, email, admin applications and the 780 for heavy calculation.)  > 	 > -- Alan   I I cannot be sure, but I think it was the 750 that used the FP processor,  E if it had one, for some integer calculations.  It's been a long time.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:47:06 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? 0 Message-ID: <11bi26loj27rn74@corp.supernews.com>   Tom Linden wrote: H > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:32:06 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote: > F >>  As for home Alpha use, an AlphaStation XP1000 series is one of theH >>   local favorites among some of the engineers, particularly given theI >>   three front-accessable storage bays, the relatively decent EV6-class H >>   processor speed, SCSI, and other such niceties.  It's also a ratherH >>   reasonably-sized mini-tower configuration, with enough room to workI >>   inside the box -- well, if you do fill all three front I/O bays, the G >>   cabling access space up there can get rather tight.   (But it does   >>   all fit.  But I digress...) >> > K > I can second that, have four of them, but they do tend to run quite warm. K > BTW,  I tried overclocking, didn't work for me, later I learned that this D > is possible if your system has the rom module from IBM rather thanM > motorola, allowing you to run at 667 rather tham 500.  But even at 500 they 4 > seem faster than PWS at 600  (have 4 of those too)  G EV5 and EV6 are two seperate and different CPUs.  You cannot use clock  F speed to compare them.  Cannot remember details, but seem to remember H some benchmarks showing EV6 with a slower clock speed outperforming EV5  significantly.  5 What's it been since EV6 became available, 5-6 years?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2005 11:02:11 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: VMS boot on AlphaPC 264DP? * Message-ID: <42b94533@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <opssq57sa5zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:D >even at 500 they seem faster than PWS at 600  (have 4 of those too)  F No surprise. The mentioned XP1000 is EV6/EV67 and the PWS is EV5/EV56.? And EV6 is quite a lot faster than EV5 on the same clock speed. 6 Btw. for JAVA and other eBusiness don't go below EV6 !  < How nice would be a DS15/DS25 (EV68@1GHz) for hobbyist use ?L (a ES45 = EV78@1.3GHz is probably too loud and power hungry for home use ;-)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2005 23:36:25 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au: Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?B Message-ID: <1119422185.529572.81940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  5 You probably have a "captive" or "restricted" account 6 This is usual on production systems - for good reasons7 The authorize utility /FLAGS option is used to set this ' It's all in the System Manager's manual  Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.347 ************************