1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 27 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 356       Contents: Re: HTML to text Re: HTML to text Re: My Multia Adventure  Re: OpenVMS Hobby Program - Re: Problem booting VMS CD on Alpha PWS 500au + Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWB / Re: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWB ( Re: What Terminal Servers are you using?" Why the new BACKUP process quotas?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:39:14 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com> Subject: Re: HTML to text + Message-ID: <mFJve.10190$dY1.7427@trnddc06>    Scott wrote:A > Keith's answer is a lot better.  But in the olden days we would ) > probably have done something like this:  >  > $ EDIT/TECO INFILE.HTML ) > <N<$; -1D !LOOP! 0A-62"N D OLOOP$' D>$$  > . > I sure hope TECO has been ported to Itanium!  @ It's on the test drive cluster.  I had a lot of problems with it= during field test, and ended up logging a second session into = the Alpha, and doing all my editing there.  However, during a E small amount of testing under V8.2 (Itanium), it seemed to work fine.    ex$$     --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2005 20:01:55 -0700( From: "Scott" <DocTrinsograce@gmail.com> Subject: Re: HTML to text C Message-ID: <1119841315.877882.217680@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Cool!  Thanks for the update!   D Teco is usually still the best way to go if you want a smart editor.B But don't tell anyone -- I write in TPU too. :-)  It is just soooo verbose!   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2005 19:28:31 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com  Subject: Re: My Multia AdventureC Message-ID: <1119839311.481103.311590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I never really tried using the serial ports for anything since I didn't F have the special splitter available at the time, and the serial ports,D as I recall, just didn't work under VMS.  So sorry, I can't say whatB might display there.  Usually a low/dead battery provides more funF items, like POST failures.  When I replaced the batteries in mine manyE years ago (1997-8, I think) they both started working quite reliably. F When I got the right memory for them, they actually ran for weeks at a' time without incident, under VMS or NT.   F The 166MHz fixed CPU units were by far the most common ones; they wereD liquidated via Onsale.com (where I got mine) among others; brand new! but no memory and dead batteries.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:15:10 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobby Program7 Message-ID: <Xns9681CE3D1C94Ddcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   6 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:1119740832.130195.64800 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com    > Dear Newsgroup,  > H > Talk to me about the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program.  I really can't explain; > why I am asking, you just have to trust me in a good way.   J Okay, but I sincerely hope that some of the very positive feedback you're J getting about the Hobbyist program is going to make it's way up the chain  of command. :)  0 > Do you find the VMS Hobbyist Program valuable?  
 Extremely so.   ' > How do you use your Hobbyist license?   F I use it at home with my VMS machine in what my home router terms the G DMZ.  As well as helping run the Deathrow Cluster.  We've issued 26226  H (base 8) accounts for the cluster and built a small community of people I who have discovered a well-engineered operating system and environment.   J Many of these people would be delighted to recommend VMS for use in their H work if it were more visible.  Oh, and we also have some students doing I coursework on the cluster, probably should be under an Edu. license, but  E there's nothing to stop people signing up to write space invaders in   Macro.  F > Since the license needs to be renewed each year, how do you do that?  G Montagar's website works well for me with my Decus Belux number.  It's  G just the odd "oh shit, licenses" when I've not set a reminder for them.    > Do you get the CD's?  G I have in the past, but it is a problem with the turnover meaning they  ' can't always offer the latest versions.   D > Give me one improvement you would make - be realistic (every hobbyH > costs something) even if you collected worms you would need a place to > put them.   H Easier access to some of the layered products.  Someone was good enough H to give me half an SPL to get all the tools and compilers, most of what J you are licensed to use under the Hobbyist program isn't available on the 
 Montagar CDs.   " > What type of machine do you use?  ? At home in Belgium I have a space heater, the label on it says  + AlphaServer 2100.  Big, noisy and reliable.   I > The hobbyist program is currently available on VAX, Alpha and Integrity A > how do you think folks will use the hobby license on Integrity?   ; Accidentally ship me an Integrity box and I'll tell you. :)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2005 13:48:34 -0700) From: "doub1eedge" <doub1eedge@yahoo.com> 6 Subject: Re: Problem booting VMS CD on Alpha PWS 500auC Message-ID: <1119818914.629162.150180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F I had another CD-ROM drive that was left over from where I'd picked up* the machine and it seems to be working ...  D As for the video issue - I think I'll just pull the card and use theC serial console.  I'm not going to run graphics or anything on this.    Thanks! B ================================================================== >>>show dev   D dka400.4.0.1010.0          DKA400     MATSHITA CD-ROM CR-504-J  IG17   >>>boot dka400! (boot dka400.4.0.1010.0 -flags A) 2 block 0 of dka400.4.0.1010.0 is a valid boot block) reading 896 blocks from dka400.4.0.1010.0  bootstrap code read in3 base = 1f0000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 70000  initializing HWRPB at 2000! initializing page table at 1e2000  initializing machine state# setting affinity to the primary CPU  jumping to bootstrap code 5     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2   ; Please enter date and time (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  26-JUN-200  5 07:42 A $!  Copyright (c) 1998 Digital Equipment Corporation.  All rights 	 reserved.   &     Installing required known files...       Configuring devices...0 %EWA0, Twisted-Pair(10baseT) mode set by console0 %EWB0, Twisted-Pair(10baseT) mode set by consoleB ==================================================================   Tom Linden wrote: G > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:15:44 -0400, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  > wrote: > # > > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: L > >> Nothing in particular stands out as being wrong with your setup. I haveK > >> a PWS of the same vintage - i.e. the original model with the Intel SIO A > >> chip which keeps you from using an IDE CD-ROM.  The only two K > >> differences I see are the firmware version and the CD-ROM.  There is a K > >> slightly newer firmware available (V7.2-1, March 6 2000) and your SCSI I > >> CD-ROM drive is unfamilar to me.  Doing a little Googling shows that I > >> it's based upon a Matsushita drive.  I have not been able to find if H > >> that is one that is compatible with VMS's booting requirements (theD > >> 512-byte sector size - most CDROM drives are set to 2048-bytes)I > >> Generally the best luck is found using DEC RRD46/47's or the Toshiba F > >> equivalent's of the XM-5701B and XM-6201B.  Others work too.  ForI > >> example, I have in mine a Yamaha CR2100S CD-R which boots just fine. ! > >>  The Alpha firmware link is: 8 > >>  http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/I > >>  Okay. I just found something.  You have a device unknown to the SRM  > >> console software. > >>7 > >>>       Bus 01  Slot 08: Vendor: 104c  Device: 3d07 M > >>   Looking over the list I assume it's your video card.  Perhaps the boot K > >> is hanging at the point it switches from the default VGA driver to the I > >> VMS video driver.  What kind of card is it?  VMS is very picky about F > >> supported video cards.  See the OpenVMS FAQ Section 5.16 for some > >> information= > >> < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_008.html#mgmt24 > , > >>  and search the OpenVMS Wizard for more/ > >>   < http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/ > " > >>  Hope this gets you on track. > >> > > L > > If it is an unsupported video card, you may be able to use a terminal orF > > terminal emulator attached to COM1 to boot the system.  Most ALphaE > > systems will allow this.  I don't know specifically about the PWS  > > systems. > > 
 > he could > >>> set console serial > L > then attach a cable to the serial port and if  PC run hyperterminal set to+ > 9600-N-8-1 or if VMS set host device-name    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2005 20:44:13 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com4 Subject: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWBC Message-ID: <1119843853.480106.251930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   G I'm going to post this here first because I haven't found any reference C to this problem anywhere, so it may not be multiplatform; if nobody G here knows I'll post to bugzilla.  This is a hobbyist system so its not  under support.  G FWIW there is a sort of equivalent compaint concerning somewhat similar > symptoms under linux on bugzilla (#283372), but no response orB assignment yet. I added a comment to that one 'just in case', evenE though its linux-based because of another message that mentioned that B the linux port also creates a new training.dat file every time youE train it (as VMS seems to do).  I do have two email accounts under my D profile (both are POP3 service from ISPs) so perhaps there really isC some kind of bug when using more than one account within a profile.   @ PWS600au, 1GB, OpenVMS V7.3-1, full patched (at the start of the problem)> PWS600au, 1GB, OpenVMS V7.3-2, Update V4 only so far (current)  G I was running Mozilla 1.5 until early this year.  Last October the spam G filtering training stopped working, but all previous training was still C in force (and everything else kept working).  If I clicked the junk B button, or the junk marker on the inbox listing line, I'd get diskG activity but the message would not get marked as junk (or cleared), and , the training.dat file would not get updated.  B The problem survived upgrades to Mozilla V1.7, and the current SWBF V1.7.8 (with preceding VMS upgrade to V7.3-2).  I had five versions ofG the 'training.dat' file in my profile root directory, last date created C or modified was 31-Oct-2004.  Security on the files was same as the C others in the directory (WRED, WRED, RE, )and there were no version F limits.  Current file version was 2481, and it was 4134/4140 blocks in size.   ? I ran CSWB with SET WATCH/CLASS=ALL FILE, and had the following  results:  +      A lookup for LIBBAYESFLT_TV.SO failed. :      TRAINING.DAT was accessed for read only, successfully  D Everything else 'looked' successful.  There is a LIBBAYESFLT.SO fileF present in SYS$COMMON:[CSWB.COMPONENTS], and it is protected as (WRED,B WRED, RE, RE), but there is no _TV version of that file.  The onlyF place I've seen "_TV" files in the past were those translated from VAXG to Alpha using VEST/DECMigrate...  A google search turned up nothing on  this filename.  G I tried renaming the training.dat file (no change, new file not created F but no error reported), creating a new empty training.dat file (causedA inbound spam to not be marked as expected, but still no change in F behavior; I can't mark a message as spam, and the training.dat file is& still at 0 blocks with no data input).  C Right now my other Alpha is stuck at V7.1 for working on a customer A system that is similarly held back, so I can't set up a duplicate B configuration.  I am going to try creating a new user account (andB profile) to see what happens, when I can (I have to create new POP@ accounts at work or on one of the ISPs to have something to test against, it'll take a bit)  G Any thoughts?  Anyone else had a similar problem?  Perhaps a better way % to go about finding out what's wrong?    Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:11:33 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 8 Subject: Re: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWB* Message-ID: <42BF7C75.6030403@bigpond.com>  ( jordan@ccs4vms.com mentioned in passing:I > I'm going to post this here first because I haven't found any reference E > to this problem anywhere, so it may not be multiplatform; if nobody I > here knows I'll post to bugzilla.  This is a hobbyist system so its not  > under support. > 
 	[...snip...]  > I > Any thoughts?  Anyone else had a similar problem?  Perhaps a better way ' > to go about finding out what's wrong?  > 	 > Thanks!   : When 1.7 first came out I tried it but found that the junk8 handling was "broken" and could not find any solution or0 explanation of the problem so I went back to 1.4  = When 1.7-8 came out it tried again and found the same issues. > After seeing a post by (I think) Keith Lewis about a seemingly< unrelated issue but dealing with protections and the like, I5 started playing around and "fixed" my problem thus...   < in your mozilla directories, find panacea.dat and delete it,: also delete the training.dat files (do this whilst mozilla is not in use)  < restart mozilla and it should be working -- you will however9 have lost any of the spam training you will have built up    Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:58:12 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: What Terminal Servers are you using? + Message-ID: <42BF5D34.AE72C00F@comcast.net>    See http://www.dnpg.com/   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jun 2005 21:30:17 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Why the new BACKUP process quotas? C Message-ID: <1119846617.317063.237110@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   0 Re setting process quotas for efficient backups:  F As late as v7.3-2 we have recommendations for huge values for wsquota,8 pgflquota, fillm, diolm, astlm, biolm, bytlm, and enqlm.  G Now, in the 8.2 doc (System Manager's Manual, backup chapter), we get a A whole new story: wsquota can be too large (which I verified on my D Microvax 3100 model 95's running VMS v6.1 and v6.2). Fillm should beG only about 128, then varied in increments of 10. Diolm has been reduced E from a MINIMUM of 4096 to 100, then to be varied in increments of 10. F (An "anonymous source" recommends setting it to 32667). The 8.2 manualD also says large values can cause disk I/O subsystem hangs or resets.2 (OK, maybe this is a new discovery, but for what?)  G And all this effort to achieve a speed increase of "typically less than  15%".   ( What's changed? Why such big variations?  7 One totally new thing is that the 8.2 manual recommends     $ SET RMS/BUFFER=127/EXTEND=5000  D for on-disk save sets. I recently tried SET RMS/EXTEND=16000 (beforeC reading this from the 8.2 manual) and cut the elapsed time in half! ? Even a value of 1000 cut is almost in half. I will soon try the C recommended buffer qualifier. So this is good to see in the manual.    thanks   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.356 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                