1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 01 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 119       Contents:  Re: 7.21 vs 7.32 file allocation ANN: UnZip V5.52 released  Re: ANN: UnZip V5.52 released  Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: CDRECORD v. RMS defaults$ Re: Cubana Airlines - In US Airspace& Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? Re: IA64 unraveling...I Re: Interesting error message I just got trying to access accuweather.com  Re: Logfile name Re: Mfg Date of an Alpha 2100 " new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: Open letter to VMS Marketing (sic)8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.  Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU. & Re: Problem with a DEC terminal server Re: Sayonara Tukwilla  Re: Sayonara Tukwilla  Re: Sayonara Tukwilla  Re: Sayonara Tukwilla - This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... 1 Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End... < Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:14:26 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: 7.21 vs 7.32 file allocation 0 Message-ID: <m4KUd.710$X_7.499@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <1109610077.158601.5740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: B :7.21 allocated files in 18 block increments, but after an upgradeC :to 7.32 I see that all files are allocated in 69 block increments.  :   :What determines this increment?  E   There are System and Process RMS Extent Size settings, Volume-level F   Extent Settings, and Application Settings, and all are rounded up toF   the disk cluster factor.  I don't remember the order of the settingsC   as evaluated off-hand -- the various sources are the Application, C   Process Settings, System Settings, the Volume-level Settings, and 5   the System Parameters, and the Disk Cluster Factor.   =   Details are in the RMS reference manual, in all likelyhood.   D   Related commands include SHOW RMS and SET RMS[/SYSTEM], and systemF   parameters such as RMS_EXTEND_SIZE, SET VOLUME and SHOW DEVICE/FULL.  C   Various OpenVMS tools also now better manage the extent sizes for B   performance, too -- some of the older settings were really slow.  D   When you upgraded, did you re-initialize any disks, and/or move to8   bigger disks, or otherwise tweak any system settings?   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:55:06 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> " Subject: ANN: UnZip V5.52 released* Message-ID: <4223D98A.3060406@goatley.com>  ; UnZip V5.5-2 has been released by the Info-Zip group.  I've ; updated the copy in my archive, which includes binaries for - OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS Alpha, and OpenVMS IA64.   D The 5.52 maintenance release fixes a few minor problems found in theF 5.51 release, closes some more security holes, adds a new AtheOS port,C and contains a Win32 extra-field code cleanup that was not finished ) earlier.  The most important changes are:   F     - (re)enabled unshrinking support by default, the LZW patents have
       expired C     - fixed an extraction size bug for encrypted stored entries (12        excess bytes       were written with 5.51) G     - fixed false "uncompressed size mismatch" messages when extracting        encrypted archive entries B     - do not restore SUID/SGID/Tacky attribute bits on Unix (BeOS,
       AtheOS) E       unless explicitely requested by new "-K" command line qualifier H     - optional support for "-W" qualifier to modify the pattern matching       syntaxI       (with -W: "*" stops at directory delimiter, "**" matches unlimited) @     - prevent buffer overflow caused by bogus extra-long Zipfile       specification +     - performance enhancements for VMS port G     - fixed windll interface handling of its extraction mode qualifiers I       nfflag, ExtractOnlyNewer, noflag, PromptToOverwrite; added detailed B       explanation of their meanings and interactions to the windll       documentation      http://www.process.com/openvms/   5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip : http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip  1 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip 6 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip  ; And on the other mirrors soon.  UNZIP.BCK is also available ! if you'd prefer a BACKUP saveset.    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:45:08 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: ANN: UnZip V5.52 released+ Message-ID: <4223E544.9C8A12A3@comcast.net>    Hunter Goatley wrote:  > = > UnZip V5.5-2 has been released by the Info-Zip group.  I've = > updated the copy in my archive, which includes binaries for / > OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS Alpha, and OpenVMS IA64.  > F > The 5.52 maintenance release fixes a few minor problems found in theH > 5.51 release, closes some more security holes, adds a new AtheOS port,E > and contains a Win32 extra-field code cleanup that was not finished + > earlier.  The most important changes are:  > H >     - (re)enabled unshrinking support by default, the LZW patents have >       expired E >     - fixed an extraction size bug for encrypted stored entries (12  >       excess bytes >       were written with 5.51) I >     - fixed false "uncompressed size mismatch" messages when extracting ! >       encrypted archive entries D >     - do not restore SUID/SGID/Tacky attribute bits on Unix (BeOS, >       AtheOS) G >       unless explicitely requested by new "-K" command line qualifier J >     - optional support for "-W" qualifier to modify the pattern matching >       syntaxK >       (with -W: "*" stops at directory delimiter, "**" matches unlimited) B >     - prevent buffer overflow caused by bogus extra-long Zipfile >       specification - >     - performance enhancements for VMS port I >     - fixed windll interface handling of its extraction mode qualifiers K >       nfflag, ExtractOnlyNewer, noflag, PromptToOverwrite; added detailed D >       explanation of their meanings and interactions to the windll >       documentation  > ! > http://www.process.com/openvms/  > 7 > ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip < > http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip > 3 > ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip 8 > http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/unzip.zip > = > And on the other mirrors soon.  UNZIP.BCK is also available # > if you'd prefer a BACKUP saveset.    Excellent! Will explore ...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:26:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question + Message-ID: <4223E0FF.2AF05664@comcast.net>    Syltrem wrote: > ' > I use /NOALIAS whenever I do a /IMAGE  > . > But the problem is on the restore operation.D > When restoring directories with aliases, I have to manually do SET > FILE/ENTER after the restore.  > - > $ back sys$sysdevice:[sys*...]*.*.*/noalias # > $1$dga64:[temp]s.bck/sav/igno=int  > erl K > %BACKUP-W-ADNOTSAVED, alias directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1  > and it > s directory tree not savedK > %BACKUP-W-ADNOTSAVED, alias directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS1]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1  > and it > s directory tree not savedN > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not > sav  > edN > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS1]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not > sav  > ed > $ ? > $ back $1$dga64:[temp]s.bck/sav $1$dga64:[temp...]*.*.*/alias ) > $ dir $1$dga64:[temp.sys0]SYSCOMMON.dir # > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  >  > This is very cumbersome. > M > If, otoh, I use the /ALIAS qualifier in the backup, the restore will create 8 > multiple copies of the files, which is somewhat worse. > N > Anyone knows how to do a good restore with file aliases? I can recreate themM > manually because I know what they are on my system, but it's far from being  > ideal.  G I believe the issue is that these kind of "links" are a bit new, coming F in with ODS-5. Up until now, it's just been a manual operation to copyD files using BACKUP or whatever and then SET FILE/ENTER to create theF aliases after. Up until now, BACKUP didn't care whether the DID in theH header matched the FID of the directory where the entry was found (dunno if it does now, either).  H So, no, I don't have an answer, either, just a suggestion: keep track of; your aliases yourself and plan on re-aliasing post-restore.   D Something I haven't explored: whether BACKUP restores directories orH builds them on the fly. I'm think maybe that when restoring (no /IMAGE),C if the target directory doesn't exist, it gets created empty and is G populated on the fly. The /IMAGE behavior is likely somewhat different, E I should think, because then the directory would be restored from the 3 saveset and the alias entry would already be there.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2005 19:38:56 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question C Message-ID: <1109648336.332378.165940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Syltrem wrote:' > I use /NOALIAS whenever I do a /IMAGE  > . > But the problem is on the restore operation.D > When restoring directories with aliases, I have to manually do SET > FILE/ENTER after the restore.  > - > $ back sys$sysdevice:[sys*...]*.*.*/noalias # > $1$dga64:[temp]s.bck/sav/igno=int  > erl ' > %BACKUP-W-ADNOTSAVED, alias directory # SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1  > and it > s directory tree not saved' > %BACKUP-W-ADNOTSAVED, alias directory # SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS1]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1  > and it > s directory tree not savedF > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not  > sav  > edF > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS1]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not  > sav  > ed > $ ? > $ back $1$dga64:[temp]s.bck/sav $1$dga64:[temp...]*.*.*/alias ) > $ dir $1$dga64:[temp.sys0]SYSCOMMON.dir # > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  >  > This is very cumbersome. > F > If, otoh, I use the /ALIAS qualifier in the backup, the restore will create8 > multiple copies of the files, which is somewhat worse. > @ > Anyone knows how to do a good restore with file aliases? I can
 recreate them G > manually because I know what they are on my system, but it's far from  being  > ideal.  F Why would you want to do this? If you are restoring a system disk, youB need to use /IMAGE and then the aliases are restored properly. TheF BACKUP utility was not designed with what you want to do here in mind.  F IOW: Why would you want [temp.sys0...], [temp.sys1...], etc., with allE the "common directories" aliased as they would be on a regular system  disk?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:30:19 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question B Message-ID: <1109654235.ff9cba9fc708ef5c83f69a1de8cd9653@teranews>  	 Question:   , when I am in the directory:  $DISK:[RECIPES]  C and I do SET FILE/ENTER=[CHOCOLATE]MOUSSE.TXT  CHOCOLATE_MOUSSE.TXT   ; Is it correct to state that all it does is update the file:   !  $DISK:[000000]RECIPES.DIR   ????   D adding name chocolate_mousse.txt and pointing the the file-ID of the [chocolate]mousse.txt ?     H As such, when you do a backup/image/noalias, is it correct to state that? the contents of $disk:[000000]recipes.dir will be saved to disk . including the info on the aliased file entry ?  C Or does BACKUP/IMAGE treat .DIR files as /NOBACKUP ,saving only the ( file's attributes and not its contents ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:35:39 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question , Message-ID: <%2UUd.50007$EL5.44005@trnddc05>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Question:  > . > when I am in the directory:  $DISK:[RECIPES] > E > and I do SET FILE/ENTER=[CHOCOLATE]MOUSSE.TXT  CHOCOLATE_MOUSSE.TXT  > = > Is it correct to state that all it does is update the file:  > # >  $DISK:[000000]RECIPES.DIR   ????   6 No, but almost. It updates $disk:[000000]chocolate.dir  F > adding name chocolate_mousse.txt and pointing the the file-ID of the > [chocolate]mousse.txt ?   ) You have the file and the alias reversed.   . $ set file/enter=ALIAS-SPEC EXISTING-FILE-SPEC  = Your command creates an entry in CHOCOLATE.DIR using the name @ MOUSSE.TXT pointing to the existing CHOCOLATE_MOUSSE.TXT located in the current directory.   0 (I wasn't sure about the order, so I tested it.)   > J > As such, when you do a backup/image/noalias, is it correct to state thatA > the contents of $disk:[000000]recipes.dir will be saved to disk 0 > including the info on the aliased file entry ?   I think this is how it works. E > Or does BACKUP/IMAGE treat .DIR files as /NOBACKUP ,saving only the * > file's attributes and not its contents ?  D I think an image backup preserves file-ids, just so the above methodE of preserving aliases will work, (though it releases unused extension C headers, so you might end up with a sparesly-populated INDEXF.SYS.)   ? We need a backup expert to answer this authoritatively, though.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:29:29 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: CDRECORD v. RMS defaults + Message-ID: <4223E199.74ED4D5F@comcast.net>    Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > E > In article <05022716211763_27800279@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org 	 > (Steven  > M. Schweda) writes: F > >From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) > > J > >> >   It's possible that mkisofs could be made to write an image file a7 > >> >little faster, too, but I haven't looked at that.  > >>) > >> I assume a huge speedup for mkisofs.  > > I > >   On a small test (22MB), just "SET RMS /BLOCK = 127 /EXTEND = 16384" F > >cut the time from about 50s to about 15s.  Perhaps two buffers withI > >read-ahead/write-behind would help a bit more.  Clearly, there's a lot . > >of potential for improvement in this stuff. > > K > >> >   I haven't looked elsewhere lately, either.  How obsolete is 1.8.1?  > >>J > >> V1.8.1 of cdrecord  is a stone age version. V2.x ist the most recent. > > G > >   Well, it's all newer than my hardware.  I see that the version of J > >CDRECORD supplied by HP is 1.10.  Does anyone know if any work was done/ > >on it, or was it just captured and packaged?  > H > ftp://v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de/CDRECORD_VMS/CDRTOOLS-2_01A24_VMS.ZIP > I > If you are a little bit patient, a newer version is online for download  > soon.  > I > BTW: Something seems be wrong with the newest dqdriver, that comes with I > VMS732_DRIVER-V0100. If the is no disk inserted in my DVD-burner during ; > startup the drive goes offline and remains in that state.   F Hhmmm... sounds like what we see on our GS160s, now that we're running? V7.3-2. Nothing in the drives at boot time means the drives are A inaccessible. It's a development cluster, so can't bounce it like $ dribbling a basketball to test that.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2005 19:09:23 -0000. From: Fidel Castro <heymezei@eatmyforeskin.cu>- Subject: Re: Cubana Airlines - In US Airspace 3 Message-ID: <JQNXZYIU38412.1315162037@reece.net.au>    JF Mezei wrote:   I >The Cubana planes are probably registered as TACA planes, so when flying P >over the USA, the USA may not officially consider the planes to be Cuban owned. > K >And I am not sure an A320 would have the range do to Toronto-Moncton-Cuba.  > C >Last year, Cubana used 5 check-in positions for a 150 pax aircraft  >(320). B >This year, Air Canada used 3 check-in positions for 3 wide bodies0 >leaving within an hour of each other to europe. > D >Cubana contracted with Transat for ground crews/check in at Dorval.   So you stalk airport employees.   , I'm sure they must love you at Dorval.......  ] I bet you hide in the bathroom stalls staring at their foreskins through the glory holes too.   0 Probably doing MORE than just staring...........   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:23:35 -0500 & From: Thomas Wirt <twnews@kittles.com>/ Subject: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? , Message-ID: <38hcu8F5o3a1hU1@individual.net>  A I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and was  > wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it work K seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful as it looks?    TIA  --     Thomas Wirt  Systems Manager  Kittle's Home Furnishings  Indianapolis, IN   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:55:34 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> 3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? ; Message-ID: <GjNUd.96459$pc5.13175@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Thomas Wirt wrote:  C > I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and was  @ > wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it work M > seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful as it looks?  >  > TIA   ? Engineering or some consultants have tools to analyze the data. D It can help evaluate performance correlation's and other neat stuff.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:43:38 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> 3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? + Message-ID: <eNPUd.16399$QQ3.5512@trnddc02>   C >> I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and was = wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it work K seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful as it looks?  <<  4 Works for me (on a DS10 on VMS 7.3-1).  No problems.  G It might take a little getting used to in order to get stuff out of the  monitor C numbers, but once you get the hang of it, it's OK for what it does.  However,A it only collects numbers, analyzing them is completely up to you.  Correlating G multiple events is particularly fun, but can be done. (Yes I know about  TLviz).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:37:00 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? + Message-ID: <4223E35B.FE7AB589@comcast.net>    Thomas Wirt wrote: > B > I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and was? > wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it work M > seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful as it looks?   F Trouble with T4 is, its a collector - ONLY. The truly useful bit - theD reporting and analysis pieces - remain MIA (ever since the demise of PSPA and SPM).  F T4 outputs CSV data that will easily choke Excel. TLViz is intended toF deal with it, that's all TLViz provides: "Time Line Visualization". No ASCII histograms, etc.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2005 19:17:55 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: IA64 unraveling... B Message-ID: <1109647074.989133.19030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote: 6 > Nej, det =E4r det inte. (In english, No, it's not.). > G > BTW, when was the last time you posted anything useful on comp.os.vms  ?   F Is this whole thread useful?  Amusing or entertaining at times, maybe.- And before you ask... See HSZ70 Trouble.  ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2005 16:54:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) R Subject: Re: Interesting error message I just got trying to access accuweather.com3 Message-ID: <0uGDe6Y0hN1x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <1109606335.721844.142510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> writes: ? > I just tried to access accuweather.com and got the following:  > D > -ERROR-(500):  %SYSTEM-F-REMRSRC, insufficient system resources at
 > remote node  > Requested method: GET  > Requested URL:    /  > HTTP protocol:    HTTP/1.1 > 7 > Looks like someone's VMS box isn't configured well...   F Or a lot of people in the Northeast have heard about an oncoming storm" but have not yet lost power to it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:18:41 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Logfile name + Message-ID: <4223DF11.D06198B9@comcast.net>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  > b > In article <ej9u11lup726bgah3nipv153onhs4kfn4q@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: > > Hi all,  > > H > > From within a batch job how do I find out what the value of the /LOG! > > qualifier was at submit time?  >  > An oldie, but a goodie...  > [snip]  A Compile/linked on my little Alpha (V7.2-2) and ran it just fine.    D ...except I called it TRNPPF because I already have my own PPF (Port Print Facility).  , Now, to see about VAX and I64 executables...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:47:24 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: Mfg Date of an Alpha 2100+ Message-ID: <4223D7BC.EF57274F@comcast.net>    Ed Wilts wrote:  >  > I've done this a few times...  > E > First, get the actual part number for your system - the maintenance I > contract probably has it on there.  Then get the serial number.  Now go H > to the warranty lookup page - The system is not under warranty, but HPF > is nice enough to tell you when the system first went into warranty,E > and viola, there's your key date.  It's also nice and definitive so G > management can't give you any flack on how you came up with it.  It's C > not generic to the product line - it's specific to *your* system.  > } > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/WarrantySingleLookup.jsp?locale=en_US&prodSeriesId=327002&prodTypeId=12169  > B > I've used this for all of our servers and it's been a lifesaver.  5 Great link! I've bookmarked it (at work)! Thanx much!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2005 21:39:34 -0800 From: icerq4a@spray.se+ Subject: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson C Message-ID: <1109655574.723203.231340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   / http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5593047.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:34:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson B Message-ID: <1109658091.cc31b490cee83d3526e97464d743c109@teranews>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > 1 > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5593047.html   E Intel would have been much better off announcing this last year which D would have help counter all the bad news that gave much steam to the' rumours that IA64 wasn't going to last.   H It will be interesting to see how many details Intel will release today.E IA64 is still one generation behind (Power has had dual core for some  time).    @ But that still doesn't give much trust in IA64's future. EV8 was! announced but never materialised.   ? In Qubec, the saying is "Je me souviens". (I remember). It was D introduced by the PQ seperatists as a symbol of remembering what theC "english" did to the "french" centuries ago. (french got screwed).    E And I think that the saying also applies to VMS customers. We've live 1 through 2 mergers, lies, broken promises etc etc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:32:11 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: Open letter to VMS Marketing (sic) + Message-ID: <4223E23B.EDADE02E@comcast.net>    Brad Hamilton wrote: >  > John Smith wrote: H > <snip of Bob Blatz' c.o.v. posting, and John's "open letter" response> >  > John,  > J > I appreciate the frustration, but might a letter/e-mail sent directly toJ > Bob, allowing him to respond back to c.o.v., be a bit more useful?  WhatJ > if he doesn't read c.o.v. on a regular basis?  Self-fulfilling prophecy? > F > Of course, _someone_ in "VMS marketing" should be monitoring trafficH > here, and forwarding potential problems up the "COC", but since that'sH > not a certainty, a missive sent directly to Bob, asking him to respond0 > here, may be more likely to produce "results".   Agreed.   H ...and if you do get a response, and it's not posted here, post at least a synopsis if you can.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:22:45 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points 0 Message-ID: <11279ddhbp039b9@corp.supernews.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>Robert Deininger wrote:  >>< >>>The solution to too-expensive AlphaServers running VMS is >  > less-expensive > @ >>>Itanium servers running VMS.  I don't know anyone who has any >  > realistic  > B >>>ideas to reduce the cost of AlphaServers today.  It's too late. >>G >>You really don't understand. Customers are not interested in spending E >>money for a long and tedious porting exercise, especially when they  >  > have > G >>software that is no longer developped and hence won't be available on  >  > IA64.  > B >>A customer running ALL-In-1 can't migrate to IA64, so he is then >  > likely > : >>to be forced to migrate to a non-HP product alltogether. >>E >>Do you prefer to stop selling Alphas because of some dogma and lose A >>customers as a result, or do you prefer to bite your tongue and  > 
 > continue > E >>to sell Alphas, even if it makes IA64 look bad, simply because thsi  >  > is > B >>what will help keep customers and hence continue to generate the >  > profits ?  > E >>Profits don't come from hardware, they come from services. Lose the % >>hardware and you lose the services.  >  > F > You didn't understand what he said, he answered why AlphaServers hadG > fixed costs, whether HP should continue sell AlphaServers beyond 2006  > is a different matter. >   I Yep!  And I believe that's where this started, and then got side-tracked   by the 'more expensive' issue.  D To be explicit, if people are willing to pay more for an Alpha, for A whatever reason, including JF's premise of specific software not  2 available on itanic, then why stop selling Alphas?  I If the demand is there, and continues, then HP might see the point where  G some re-design for lower cost would be justified, which might keep the  < demand going if some of the lower costs are passed on, .....  B Having a drop-dead date, without regard to customer demand, is an D anti-customer action.  As for the demand, I don't know, and HP does.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:43:52 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points : Message-ID: <CVOUd.11063$kz6.266037@news20.bellglobal.com>  H "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message & news:38h60rF5meqf8U1@individual.net...   [...snip...]  I > Yes, it was a great seminar from the point of view of a attendee and as I > a sponsor. But I am disappointed that nobody posted in this long thread F > about the quality of the information package that SRI/WCS handed outF > about CHARON-VAX. My wife would have been very happy to hear someone > comment positively on it :)  >  [...snip...] >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  > L Peter. I made a positive mention of the SRI presentation in either my first  or second post in this thread.  K Almost everyone in this thread has heard of Charon but I had no idea about  J its origins inside DEC (a very cool story) or that Charon-VAX can now out G perform the VAX that's being emulated. This is a very cool product and  E deserves looking into. I was also surprised that one of your biggest  % customers was the US military. Kudos.   L p.s. You gave us all trial uVAX-3500 versions on CD-ROM and I intend to try  my ASAP. Thanks.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:57:25 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points ( Message-ID: <opsmxrpzwezgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:43:52 -0500, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>    wrote:  H > Almost everyone in this thread has heard of Charon but I had no idea   > about K > its origins inside DEC (a very cool story) or that Charon-VAX can now out H > perform the VAX that's being emulated. This is a very cool product andF > deserves looking into. I was also surprised that one of your biggest' > customers was the US military. Kudos.   F I missed that part of the story, but let me guess,  same guys that did4 FX!32 ?  I would be interested in hearing the story.     --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:46:41 -0600:2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.+ Message-ID: <4223D791.F594434A@comcast.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <421FE70D.BF587959@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > I > > Well, actually, yes it is. See, the editor failed to first repositioneJ > > the cursor to the end of the line, which (IMO) it should have done. ItK > > then added data I did not intend before adding the data I *DID* intend.f > C >    You expect the editor to insert data in a different place fromnA >    where you have the cursor?  Now that would cause corruption.   B How 'bout expecting the cursor to be found where no data currently exists? That *IS* corruption!    -- o David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:h" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/n   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:44:47 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.B Message-ID: <1109651512.653ee22bdb8c33109501bcb69281a753@teranews>   David J Dachtera wrote:iE > >    You expect the editor to insert data in a different place fromeC > >    where you have the cursor?  Now that would cause corruption.. > D > How 'bout expecting the cursor to be found where no data currently > exists? That *IS* corruption!h  . IBM 3270 terminals had an interesting feature.  G In order to be able to insert a character on a line, the last characteraD on the line had to be a null. As a result, the editors would replaceF trailing blanks in records with nulls when sending data to the screen,F this way you could insert characters until a non null character got to
 column 80.  G And when you pressed "ENTER", the terminal wouldn't send the nulls backnE to the mainframe. (think of an automatic F$EDIT(line,"TRIM,COMPRESS")a that acts on nulls.m   So, if you had a line such as: 01  MYVARIABLE   and wanted to turn it into:S3 01 MYVARIABLE                            PIC X(10).g  F You had to type in the spaces otherwise , upon pressing enter, the PIC$ would move back to just after the E.  B Some editors were smart and would fill with blanks up to a certainL column number, still leavingb a few nulls to let ou insert a few characters.    O Anyone who'se worked on 3270 terminals will not complain about EVE's behaviour.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:58:04 GMTS1 From: drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor)e/ Subject: Re: Problem with a DEC terminal serverEH Message-ID: <MvTUd.302609$w62.267287@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  L In article <38dtvkF5lrqecU1@individual.net>, hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl says... >h >yA >"The Eighth Doctor" <drwho8__NOTME__@att.net> schreef in berichtgA >news:BZaUd.81854$Th1.81032@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...- >> Hello from Gregg C LevineM >> I have here a DECserver 90L+. According to the manual which I have here, IFK >> connected a PC to one of its ports, using a temporary plug. Then set theo	 >terminal-J >> software to a default of 9600,8,n,1. (Which I suspect isn't the correct >settings.) And F >> then when I turned the T/S on, and pressed enter, twice, instead of >getting a promptGM >> sequence, I got garbage. Does anyone know the correct way to do a "factoryD >reset"8 >> for the thing?o >> -----" >> Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net" >> "This signature isn't at home." >> >y. >What happens if you use 9600,7,n,1 on the PC? >, >HansS >p > $ Hello (again) from the Eighth DoctorW Well that setting did not work. Nor did further fiddling either. I finally realized it rN might be my makeshift cable. A fellow I know through the NetBSD Port-VAX list P sent me a pair of cables, and four DB25 connectors, one pair male, and one pair  female. It worked.  S Now all I need to find is that frame that the company described as a backplane for e8 them, with a 10BASE-T connector for that style network.    Thanks guys. ------ Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot netmR "This signature is a fan of the Marx brothers, and Abbot and Costello. Because he  can."o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:47:01 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid> Subject: Re: Sayonara Tukwilla0 Message-ID: <9rLUd.725$yo3.321@news.cpqcorp.net>  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: 6 > Are zx1s considered part of the Integrity line now?)  D Yes. For some time now.  My dimm memory cannot recall if the initialB zx1-based server systems (IIRC rx2600, rx5670 at 900 MHz and 1GHz)= shipped before the Integrity naming convention or not though.   
 rick jones --  F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:44:33 -0500r( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Sayonara Tukwilla= Message-ID: <qPOdnS7R1J5_Mb7fRVn-vg@metrocastcablevision.com>f   Rick Jones wrote:t+ > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:z > 6 >>Are zx1s considered part of the Integrity line now?) >  > F > Yes. For some time now.  My dimm memory cannot recall if the initialD > zx1-based server systems (IIRC rx2600, rx5670 at 900 MHz and 1GHz)? > shipped before the Integrity naming convention or not though.-  A I kind of thought that the 'Integrity' moniker appeared when the aG 8-processor-and-up models did (i.e., well after zx1), but my dimms are s dim as well on that point.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:56:14 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid> Subject: Re: Sayonara Tukwilla0 Message-ID: <O4PUd.739$rv3.467@news.cpqcorp.net>  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:l > Rick Jones wrote:r? >> Yes. For some time now.  My dimm memory cannot recall if the C >> initial zx1-based server systems (IIRC rx2600, rx5670 at 900 MHzdB >> and 1GHz) shipped before the Integrity naming convention or not
 >> though.  C > I kind of thought that the 'Integrity' moniker appeared when the  I > 8-processor-and-up models did (i.e., well after zx1), but my dimms are s > dim as well on that point.  F Even back in the "Merced" days there were >= 8 (or perhaps that was <=+ 8, not sure) CPU systems - the rx9610 IIRC.   D My wetware DIMMs (also subject to bitrot) believe that the IntegrityF moniker had its debut with the initial Itanium2-based system releases.C I also believe that zx1 had its debut at the same time - zx1 is/wasn, not used with Merced systems, only Itanium2.  B In any event, indeed, there are Integrity servers based on the zx1E chipset. I believe the list is rx1600, rx1620, rx2600, rx2620, rx4640 B and rx5670.  The Integrity servers based on sx1000 are the rx7620,$ rx8620 and the Integrity Superdome.    --  ? Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought. rF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:48:03 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Sayonara Tukwilla+ Message-ID: <4223D7E3.21A43719@comcast.net>    Rick Jones wrote:- > + > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:m8 > > Are zx1s considered part of the Integrity line now?) > F > Yes. For some time now.  My dimm memory cannot recall if the initialD > zx1-based server systems (IIRC rx2600, rx5670 at 900 MHz and 1GHz)? > shipped before the Integrity naming convention or not though.y  # Can your simm memory recall it? ;-)o   -- u David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:S" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/r   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:47:31 +0100 " From: Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com>6 Subject: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...' Message-ID: <42238363.8030106@spam.com>g   Hi Pals,  I I got two days ago a phone call from a friend from SW Engineering in the  F U.S. He spent 29 years and six months at DEC/CPQ/HP (PDP, VAX, Alpha, G Itanium). He terminated his current project last week, then was called VD by his manager. The manager said (more or less) "good job, now, I'm H sorry but "Business has changed" (sic). You may leave the Company. Good 1 bye, good luck and thank you for all the coding".-  I I do not think that a Company can fire people from Engineering with such  9 skills if the Product is not going to be phased out soon.1   D. -- D4   Didier MORANDI - VMS Expert and SAP CRM Consultant4 13 chemin du Gu - 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Switzerland1      Phone: +4179 8199735 - www.didiermorandi.comI   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:20:00 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End..., Message-ID: <LMidnfv1Ps6eFr7fRVn-tA@igs.net>   Didier MORANDI wrote:f
 > Hi Pals, >cF > I got two days ago a phone call from a friend from SW Engineering inD > the U.S. He spent 29 years and six months at DEC/CPQ/HP (PDP, VAX,D > Alpha, Itanium). He terminated his current project last week, thenG > was called by his manager. The manager said (more or less) "good job,rD > now, I'm sorry but "Business has changed" (sic). You may leave theA > Company. Good bye, good luck and thank you for all the coding".  > E > I do not think that a Company can fire people from Engineering with @ > such skills if the Product is not going to be phased out soon.    J There were many rumors going around that VMS Engineering was going to have0 significant layoffs once 8.2 / 8.3 was released.  H Your friend, was he involved in VMS exclusively? What's your idea of the? head count in VMS Engineering prior to January 1, 2005 and now?e   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.o   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2005 14:05:31 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.como: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...B Message-ID: <1109628331.135314.66430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  2 the product will not be temrinated but sold unless+ HP wants a lot of angry vms users out theref. including the govt and corporations that would) never purchase another HP branded producte2 again ... talk about corporate suicide, that would7 be it ... they would have to really stupid to try that!-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:12:59 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...0 Message-ID: <00A40141.37561E71@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <1109628331.135314.66430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:3 >the product will not be temrinated but sold unlessn, >HP wants a lot of angry vms users out there/ >including the govt and corporations that woulda* >never purchase another HP branded product3 >again ... talk about corporate suicide, that wouldY8 >be it ... they would have to really stupid to try that!   Stupidity is ubiquitous!  , Sit back and take notes as it's inescapable.     -- .K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             E5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" B   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:35:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>.: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...B Message-ID: <1109629378.4a0555402e6ed9ef0c496c9c0b9cb556@teranews>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:4 > the product will not be temrinated but sold unless- > HP wants a lot of angry vms users out theret0 > including the govt and corporations that would+ > never purchase another HP branded producte4 > again ... talk about corporate suicide, that would9 > be it ... they would have to really stupid to try that!a    D When things didn't go well at Digital, what did Palmer do ? He fired people and moved VPs around.    D With HP, it is somewhat simpler especially now that it has been madeG obvious the Compaq thing was a mistake. If there is a need to cut, eyesyA will first look at non-HP products inherited though the erroneousiH acquisition. When you think about it, all HP really got of value was the Ipaq and storage.   E Carly may have been good with meaningless buzzword presentations, butyB the more I think about it, the more I am convinced she lacked true? global vision for HP as an enterprise. She got her kicks out ofnH individual consumer products, but a lack of focus on the problem area ofO her enterprise, and lack of leveraging the potential of the Compaq acquisition.   @ Compaq was like a fixer-upper house. You buy it low, but see theH potential by just fixing a few things which will significantly raise itsH value. When you have poorly managed products such as VMS, HP should have- seen the potential and leveraged it big time.0  D Nop. HP merely put a sign that said "Beware of Carly" on the lawn soE that nobody would dare question how she decorated that house, and thei! house never appreciated in value.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:13:37 -08000# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>j: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...( Message-ID: <opsmxhczpgzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:20:00 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   > Didier MORANDI wrote:F >> Hi Pals,O >>G >> I got two days ago a phone call from a friend from SW Engineering inlE >> the U.S. He spent 29 years and six months at DEC/CPQ/HP (PDP, VAX, E >> Alpha, Itanium). He terminated his current project last week, thennH >> was called by his manager. The manager said (more or less) "good job,E >> now, I'm sorry but "Business has changed" (sic). You may leave theiB >> Company. Good bye, good luck and thank you for all the coding". >>F >> I do not think that a Company can fire people from Engineering withA >> such skills if the Product is not going to be phased out soon.  >e >oI > There were many rumors going around that VMS Engineering was going to  / > have2 > significant layoffs once 8.2 / 8.3 was released. >0J > Your friend, was he involved in VMS exclusively? What's your idea of theA > head count in VMS Engineering prior to January 1, 2005 and now?I  J That is curious, in light of the 2003 and 2004 results that VMS turned in.   >t > --/ > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.i >  >t       -- vC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:48:18 GMT.1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>t: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...+ Message-ID: <CRPUd.16400$QQ3.3750@trnddc02>-  G Some 'rumors' were very specific -- xx folks per quarter for the next na	 quarters.e  K However, Sue did say on one of her mailing list things that previous rumors-K (in the Inquirer?) were false and if anything major was going to happen she  would let us know.  I I'd be interested in knowing actual employment levels for the past and inrI the future for VMS engineering, but I don't expect I'll actually get thatn kind of information.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:39:29 -0600e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...+ Message-ID: <4223E3F0.4D697D8D@comcast.net>7   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > 4 > the product will not be temrinated but sold unless- > HP wants a lot of angry vms users out there 0 > including the govt and corporations that would+ > never purchase another HP branded productI4 > again ... talk about corporate suicide, that would9 > be it ... they would have to really stupid to try that!   * So, what you're saying is, its inevitable.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:41:24 -0600c2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...+ Message-ID: <4223E464.ABD59687@comcast.net>.   Ken Randell wrote: > I > Some 'rumors' were very specific -- xx folks per quarter for the next no > quarters.t > M > However, Sue did say on one of her mailing list things that previous rumors M > (in the Inquirer?) were false and if anything major was going to happen she  > would let us know. > K > I'd be interested in knowing actual employment levels for the past and inrK > the future for VMS engineering, but I don't expect I'll actually get thato > kind of information.  D Well, even Sue has to protect her career. Then again, show me anyone with 100% job security anymore.e   -- - David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/M  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:22:27 -05000( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>: Subject: Re: This is the End... My Only Friend, The End...= Message-ID: <j9ednT-noOWOYb7fRVn-qA@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Smith wrote:r > Tom Linden wrote:i > H >>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:20:00 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Didier MORANDI wrote: >>>  >>>>Hi Pals, >>>>H >>>>I got two days ago a phone call from a friend from SW Engineering inF >>>>the U.S. He spent 29 years and six months at DEC/CPQ/HP (PDP, VAX,F >>>>Alpha, Itanium). He terminated his current project last week, thenD >>>>was called by his manager. The manager said (more or less) "goodG >>>>job, now, I'm sorry but "Business has changed" (sic). You may leave G >>>>the Company. Good bye, good luck and thank you for all the coding".e >>>>G >>>>I do not think that a Company can fire people from Engineering withrB >>>>such skills if the Product is not going to be phased out soon. >>>e >>>aH >>>There were many rumors going around that VMS Engineering was going to >>>havea3 >>>significant layoffs once 8.2 / 8.3 was released.  >>>-G >>>Your friend, was he involved in VMS exclusively? What's your idea ofeF >>>the head count in VMS Engineering prior to January 1, 2005 and now? >>A >>That is curious, in light of the 2003 and 2004 results that VMS  >>turned in. >  > ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/11/23/7489183) >  > J > Perhaps mostly Tru64, but carly(tm) style boat burning behind them still > seems to be in vogue at HP.a  G Perhaps more to the point, HP doesn't seem to value experienced people  H nearly as much as saving a few bucks (which sounds like Carly all over: B   millions in cuts, not one red cent for investment).  In fact, I I believe some people were gathering up material for an age-discrimination hI class-action suit a couple of years ago alleging that HP's layoffs had a  A distinct bias toward people nearing retirement but not quite yet  ' eligible for early-retirement benefits.   I And the article you quote above notes that the layoffs are being 'offset mH by new hires', rather than transferring those who jobs are disappearing I to others (as more reputable companies tend to make at least some effort   to do).g  D It's a shame, and a travesty, to see someone who joined DEC about 6 G months before I did being given the heave-ho like that after nearly 30 lI years.  But pretty much the kind of thing I've come to expect from VMS's   owner.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:54:19 +0100-, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? , Message-ID: <38hbbnF5nj8jaU1@individual.net>  @ "JF Mezei" <"jfmezei.spamnot"@teksavvy.com\\> schreef in bericht< news:1109611748.b47627b4966807448cd3b8c3d944e787@teranews... > Hans Vlems wrote:o >rJ > > Under VMS a shadow set (DSAn:) device cannot be used as a quorum disk. IIRC* > > a RAID set member (DRAn:) can be used. >lJ > Can be used, but shoudln't be used. You can end up with the same problemG > of a partitioned cluster, especially if the link between the RAIDs isfF > still up, but the link between the VMS nodes is down. The RAID arrayJ > will have no clue of lost quorum since its link is up, but the VMS nodesC > will be playing with the same drives on the RAID system without a & > distributed locking being available.  G Quite right JF. This point was raised by Hoff as well in his reply. ButrL basically that's entirely different topic: how does one maintain quorum in a cluster with a quorum disk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:04:28 -0600e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>-E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?o, Message-ID: <38hprcF5mgab6U1@individual.net>   JF Mezei wrote:. > Hans Vlems wrote:6 >  . > M >>Under VMS a shadow set (DSAn:) device cannot be used as a quorum disk. IIRC=( >>a RAID set member (DRAn:) can be used. >  > J > Can be used, but shoudln't be used. You can end up with the same problemG > of a partitioned cluster, especially if the link between the RAIDs is F > still up, but the link between the VMS nodes is down. The RAID arrayJ > will have no clue of lost quorum since its link is up, but the VMS nodesC > will be playing with the same drives on the RAID system without ar& > distributed locking being available.     Is this really a problem?a  G AFAIK, DRAn: (KZPSx) drives are local drives visible to only one node, p9 so they can't be used as quorum drives anyways, can they?u  G I have a vague memory that the quorum file contains the SCS IDs of the 0D nodes currently in the cluster and that if a joining node can't see ? these nodes, it won't join the cluster.  This should prevent a o partitioned cluster.   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.119 ************************