1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 121       Contents:  Re: 7.21 vs 7.32 file allocation  Re: 7.21 vs 7.32 file allocation Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Backup /ALIAS question Re: Build problems - Freetype  Re: Build problems - Freetype ) Re: Can't copy files using SCP on OpenVMS ) Re: Can't copy files using SCP on OpenVMS # Re: Changing Tape Device protection & Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance! Email Scheme and Massive ID Theft  GBLSECTIONS loop Re: GBLSECTIONS loop Re: GBLSECTIONS loop Re: GBLSECTIONS loop Re: GBLSECTIONS loop Re: GBLSECTIONS loop* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?( Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?- Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record - Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record - Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record - Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record - Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record J RE: Interesting error message I just got trying to access accuwea	ther.com mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points8 Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.  Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.  Re: Point Secure Re: Point Secure& Re: Problem with a DEC terminal server& Re: Problem with a DEC terminal server Re: Sayonara Tukwilla  vms mail forwarding  Re: vms mail forwarding  Re: vms mail forwarding  VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?  Re: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?  Re: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?  Re: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ? # We are not the only ones who notice ' Re: We are not the only ones who notice ' Re: We are not the only ones who notice < Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?  What text format and VMS tools ?$ Re: What text format and VMS tools ?$ Re: What text format and VMS tools ?$ Re: What text format and VMS tools ?$ Re: What text format and VMS tools ?$ Re: What text format and VMS tools ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 12:39:52 -0800 ( From: "Hein" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com>) Subject: Re: 7.21 vs 7.32 file allocation C Message-ID: <1109709592.507931.168300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: C > In article <1109610077.158601.5740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,  tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: D > :7.21 allocated files in 18 block increments, but after an upgradeE > :to 7.32 I see that all files are allocated in 69 block increments.   %  Did you change disks in the process? - Then that would be cause, not the VMS version    > : " > :What determines this increment? > G >   There are System and Process RMS Extent Size settings, Volume-level E >   Extent Settings, and Application Settings, and all are rounded up  to? >   the disk cluster factor.  I don't remember the order of the  settings >   as evaluated off-hand   G Right. The order is probably (:-) XAB DEQ, FAB DEQ, 2* FAB BKS, 2 * RAB  MBC, VOLUME DEQ, DEVICE DEQ.C But the actual allocation can only be done in CLUSTERS, a permanent  disk attribute. ; There are typically 1 million (255*4096) clusters per disk. $ (But more are allowed since VMS 7.2)  G So for a 30GB disk that about be 30KB/cluster, or 60 blocks. How big is  your disk? :-)  C Since the allocation must be a multiple of the clustersize, and the F allocation here is reported as 69 block increments the clustersize was2 problably 69 (or... rather unlikely... 23 blocks).  8 see also: OpenVMS DCL Dictionary: Init Volume : /CLUSTER    G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/9996/9996pro_130.html#index_x_507       Hein.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 12:58:37 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com ) Subject: Re: 7.21 vs 7.32 file allocation C Message-ID: <1109710717.128246.189050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   % I went and looked at all our systems.   D I think this must have been due to replacing disks and/or computers, not due to the upgrade.   F I have one system (our oldest system and with its original disks) thatB is upgraded to 7.3.2 that still increments in 18 block increments.? And, I am not sure what the other systems were doing before the D upgrade.  None of them now have the same disks as the oldest system.   Hein wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: E > > In article <1109610077.158601.5740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,  > tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: F > > :7.21 allocated files in 18 block increments, but after an upgradeG > > :to 7.32 I see that all files are allocated in 69 block increments.  > ' >  Did you change disks in the process? / > Then that would be cause, not the VMS version  >  > > : $ > > :What determines this increment? > > < > >   There are System and Process RMS Extent Size settings, Volume-levelG > >   Extent Settings, and Application Settings, and all are rounded up  > toA > >   the disk cluster factor.  I don't remember the order of the 
 > settings > >   as evaluated off-hand  > E > Right. The order is probably (:-) XAB DEQ, FAB DEQ, 2* FAB BKS, 2 *  RAB  > MBC, VOLUME DEQ, DEVICE DEQ.E > But the actual allocation can only be done in CLUSTERS, a permanent  > disk attribute. = > There are typically 1 million (255*4096) clusters per disk. & > (But more are allowed since VMS 7.2) > F > So for a 30GB disk that about be 30KB/cluster, or 60 blocks. How big is > your disk? :-) > E > Since the allocation must be a multiple of the clustersize, and the D > allocation here is reported as 69 block increments the clustersize was 4 > problably 69 (or... rather unlikely... 23 blocks). > : > see also: OpenVMS DCL Dictionary: Init Volume : /CLUSTER >  >  > G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/9996/9996pro_130.html#index_x_507  >  >  >  Hein.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 11:35:13 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question C Message-ID: <1109705713.277718.232290@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote:F > > Yes. BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS walks the directory structure in "BACKUPF > > order". During this it saves all primary files, including the .DIRG > > files *and their contents*. It is these .DIR files that contain the 9 > > alias information (in the form of directory entries).  > > > Is it correct then to state that /ALIAS or /NOALIAS makes no
 difference! > to an image restore operation ?     F Well, if you use /ALIAS for both image save and restore, I would think> that you would get correct outcomes; however, you'd be wasting4 resources. Otherwise I think there is no difference.   But...  G According to the online (Web site) docs you should only use /ALIAS when C restoring save sets that were made using old (pre-VMS v6.2) BACKUP.   A And the only advantage I see to using /ALIAS during an image save B operation is that you can restore individual files by any of theirG alias names if they have such names (and redundancy for alias files (!)  ).   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 11:51:44 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question C Message-ID: <1109706704.185576.169500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > Syltrem wrote:? > > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> a =E9crit dans le message de A > > news:1109648336.332378.165940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > > >  > > > Syltrem wrote: [=2E..]  > > With /IMAGE all is fine. > > C > > So it appears we have to keep track of aliases if not using the  > /IMAGE5 > > qualifier (as per first example above). Not good.  >  > A > Correct. Only /IMAGE will preserve aliases. (Would /INCREMENTAL  restore 2 > any new aliases? I'll have to try that one day.)  1 Well, a little more research provides the answer:   4 >From OpenVMS Version 6.2 Release Notes whose URL is  L http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$vaxdocdec953/decw$book/dy4yaa98.p141.decw$b= ook    (apologies if it wraps):  9 3=2E BACKUP now attempts to restore alias or synonym file C         entries in incremental restore operations that do not spec- B         ify multiple processing of alias or synonym file entries (?         /NOALIAS). In cases where the alias entry cannot be re- B         stored properly, an error message is issued indicating theB         alias file entry, its primary file, and a secondary status,         indicating the cause of the failure.  9         If the /LOG qualifier was specified in the BACKUP @         command, successful restoration of alias file entries is+         indicated by a message to the user.   @         If there is to be a separate verify pass, (/VERIFY qual-9         ifier was specified in the BACKUP command), alias >         entry restoration is attempted during the verify pass.B         Otherwise, alias entry restoration is attempted along withA         the normal file restoration. The reason for this behavior @         is that an attempt is made to have all primary files re-E         stored prior to attempting to restore alias entries that will )         eventually reference those files.   G Still, I'd test this thoroughly before using it to copy directory trees G containing aliases as BACKUP/INCREMENTAL may well update other files on 8 your target disk! (I am not familiar enough with the newG BACKUP/INCREMENTAL behavior to comment in more detail.) This would be a 1 clearly undocumented use and you assume all risk.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 16:05:32 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question 3 Message-ID: <UBwZSt8nmY7G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <4223E0FF.2AF05664@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  I > I believe the issue is that these kind of "links" are a bit new, coming  > in with ODS-5.  H    I don't see why they would be new with ODS-5. set file/enter has beenF    around almost since the AME was unbundled.  Under the AME PIP wouldF    do the same operation, so aliases date back to VMS 1.x or 0.x days.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:29:07 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question + Message-ID: <422516E3.7B201985@comcast.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <4223E0FF.2AF05664@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > K > > I believe the issue is that these kind of "links" are a bit new, coming  > > in with ODS-5. > J >    I don't see why they would be new with ODS-5. set file/enter has beenH >    around almost since the AME was unbundled.  Under the AME PIP wouldH >    do the same operation, so aliases date back to VMS 1.x or 0.x days.  : However, UN*X-like "links" ("aliases") are new with ODS-5.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:22:42 GMT 5 From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@hp.com> & Subject: Re: Build problems - Freetype0 Message-ID: <ma4Vd.799$z24.196@news.cpqcorp.net>  A <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote in message > MMK/MACRO=(COMP_FLAGS="") 4 > CC/include=([--.include],[--.src.cache]) FTCACHE.C > / >     if ( family && --family->num_nodes <= 0 )  > ...................^@ > %CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE, In this statement, the unsigned expression > "--family->num_no G > des" is being compared with a relational operator to a constant whose  > value is n= > ot greater than zero.  This might not be what you intended.  > at line number 50 in file   I     I will also guess this is a bug in the user code.  I expect they want  the 'if'E     to execute if family->num_nodes is zero or one...but it will not. F     if family->num_nodes is zero, then --family->num_nodes will be the1     largest unsigned number and will not be <= 0.   ;     It's hard to be sure without seeing more of the code...        Ed Vogel#     HP/Compaq/DEC C/C++ Engineering    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 17:21:21 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com& Subject: Re: Build problems - FreetypeB Message-ID: <1109726481.017402.33020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:E > In article <1109663653.645952.190550@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,  mcbill20@yahoo.com writes: > = > >     if ( ( error = FT_NEW_ARRAY( delta_xy, n_points ) ) )  > > .........^8 > > %CC-W-UNDEFVARMOD, In this statement, the expression@ > > "(error=((error=(FT_Alloc(...)))!=0))" modifies the variable "error"  > 9 >    It looks like FT_NEW_ARRAY expands to something like E >    error=(FT_Alloc(...).  If so it's a genuine undefined behaviour, E >    although in this case the compiler is most likely to do what the 5 >    programmer expected.  The correct code would be:  > . >    if ( FT_NEW_ARRAY( delta_xy, n_points ) )  G Thanks. That's good to know because that's what I ended up changing the D code to and now I have a (hopefully) working freetype2shr.exe. Now I/ need to figure out all the issues with LIBPNG.     Bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 17:24:46 -0800  From: bill@wcschmidt.com2 Subject: Re: Can't copy files using SCP on OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1109726686.466907.148630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   G I'm not sure if this will help, I was having an issue transfering files 
 using SFTPC and after beating my head against the wall for a while, I read some ? where that SFTP can only transfer files with a record format of E STREAM_LF, so I created a FDL then  ran convert/fdl against the file,  not it transfers     Bill Schmidt   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 17:26:02 -0800  From: bill@wcschmidt.com2 Subject: Re: Can't copy files using SCP on OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1109726762.468842.166910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   , ooops typo , now it transfer with no problem   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:35:45 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Changing Tape Device protection+ Message-ID: <42251871.7C0A9DE6@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <4223E200.EC0FFF7A@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > F > > I have to do something similar at startup time, or even SLS cannot) > > access the fibre-channel tape drives.  > H > There is supposed to be a way to make protections persist across boots( > by using the device security database.  C Now, if only there was a way to make FC tape DEVICES persist across C boots! If something changes in the (T)SAN, I get a whole new set of $ devices and my old ones go bye-bye!   E Not sure what evil magic is at work there, but sure blew my doors off  when I saw THAT one!  E Anyway, no big deal with the DCL approach, and I don't have to update   anything if I add a tape device.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:17:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance B Message-ID: <1109703934.f84465d3f9d6e5dc245d54eaf90e6920@teranews>   FredK wrote:C > In any case, upcase is a range check and a bit clear, fairly fast D > register operations.  A lookup would not need to do this, but does% > require an additional memory fetch.   D Doesn't it have to do multiple range checks ? (letter under 127, and letters > 128 ?)  B Ok, I can understand "if x > 5" having the value 5 embedded in theB opcode, thus saving a memory fetch. But wouldn't that require manyE assembler insttructions (one for the test, then one for the branch on J condition, and repeat for each of the 4 tests required for the 2 ranges) ?  C Would that still be faster than a single sequential non conditional  fetch from memory ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:39:54 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>/ Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance 0 Message-ID: <uq4Vd.802$Q34.527@news.cpqcorp.net>  G The logic to upcase is:  If it's >= 'a' or <= 'z' then bit clear bit 5.   A You *can't* simply upcase graphic characters in the multinational C range - they don't work that way in all cases.  If you need to do a A blind compare including multinational characters, then indeed you C need a substitution table - since some characters will be identity.   C It will be slower.  But frankly unless you are doing this a million  times, it doesn't matter.       : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1109703934.f84465d3f9d6e5dc245d54eaf90e6920@teranews... > FredK wrote:E > > In any case, upcase is a range check and a bit clear, fairly fast F > > register operations.  A lookup would not need to do this, but does' > > require an additional memory fetch.  > F > Doesn't it have to do multiple range checks ? (letter under 127, and > letters > 128 ?) > D > Ok, I can understand "if x > 5" having the value 5 embedded in theD > opcode, thus saving a memory fetch. But wouldn't that require manyG > assembler insttructions (one for the test, then one for the branch on L > condition, and repeat for each of the 4 tests required for the 2 ranges) ? > E > Would that still be faster than a single sequential non conditional  > fetch from memory ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:44:54 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance = Message-ID: <pZ6dndly2_rVSbnfRVn-1Q@metrocastcablevision.com>    FredK wrote:   ...   2    But frankly unless you are doing this a million > times, it doesn't matter.   C Sigh - too true.  I fondly recall when it was actually worth doing  F range-checks with a sub/add/check-carry sequence just to save on code C size (and later it may have been similarly worth doing to save the  G second branch - I guess you could probably get by without any branches  7 at all in current architectures using this and a CMOV).   G But when a 256-byte look-up table fits in 2 - 4 cache lines and RAM is   measured in GB...    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 16:26:00 -0800 0 From: "Adam Smith" <adamsmith1952@sbcglobal.net>* Subject: Email Scheme and Massive ID TheftC Message-ID: <1109723160.016218.259820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   ( FBI Alerts Public to Recent Email Scheme  E The FBI warned the public to avoid falling victim to an on-going mass @ e-mail scheme wherein computer users receive unsolicited e-mailsC purportedly sent by the FBI.  The e-mails then direct recipients to B open an attachment and answer questions. The attachments contain a computer virus.   $ To read the full text, please go to:1 http://www.contactomagazine.com/emailscam0226.htm     * Massive ID Theft Impacts 145,000 Consumers  E ChoicePoint, a data-brokering company, is actively engaged with local G and federal law enforcement agencies in the continuing investigation of F a fraud committed against the company, through which a small number ofC very well organized criminals posed as legitimate companies to gain D access to personal information about consumers. To date, the company@ has sent warning letters to 145,000 consumers in various states.  $ To read the full text, please go to:6 http://www.contactomagazine.com/massiveidtheft0220.htm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:44:09 -0800, From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> Subject: GBLSECTIONS loop 1 Message-ID: <IYWdnSUs0I_eSbnfRVn-rg@megapath.net>   K When I boot, decwinwdows does not come up because there are not enough free K GBLSECTIONS. The message says that I need 426 and I only have 210. Autoboot J offers to regen to fix this and I answer yes. It goes through the generateC and update phase, the system reboots and I still only have 210 free I GBLSECTIONS. How do I increase this? I tried modifying the parameter file  but to no avail. Thanks,  Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:50:53 -0500 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet> Subject: Re: GBLSECTIONS loop 0 Message-ID: <cYadnZn_rO4zSLnfRVn-tQ@comcast.com>   Paul Dembry wrote:M > When I boot, decwinwdows does not come up because there are not enough free M > GBLSECTIONS. The message says that I need 426 and I only have 210. Autoboot L > offers to regen to fix this and I answer yes. It goes through the generateE > and update phase, the system reboots and I still only have 210 free K > GBLSECTIONS. How do I increase this? I tried modifying the parameter file  > but to no avail.	 > Thanks,  > Paul >  >   E You need to run SYSGEN, and enter the following sequence of commands:    USE CURRENT  SET GBLSECTIONS 426 (or higher) 
 WRITE CURRENT  WRITE ACTIVE  I Then reboot.  Unless you are terribly memory-constrained, I would pick a  B number higher than 426.  My PWS 433au with 768Meg of memory has a E GBLSECTIONS setting of 1250, allowing me to install Mozilla and CSWB  2 images at the same time, as well as run DECWindows   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 16:08:02 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: GBLSECTIONS loop 3 Message-ID: <+mHGgWFBvKsD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <IYWdnSUs0I_eSbnfRVn-rg@megapath.net>, "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> writes:M > When I boot, decwinwdows does not come up because there are not enough free M > GBLSECTIONS. The message says that I need 426 and I only have 210. Autoboot L > offers to regen to fix this and I answer yes. It goes through the generateE > and update phase, the system reboots and I still only have 210 free K > GBLSECTIONS. How do I increase this? I tried modifying the parameter file  > but to no avail.	 > Thanks,  > Paul  E    The offer by AUTOGEN to fix this never works.  Do a conversational C    boot, put the parameter into sys$system:modparams.dat, and do an     autogen by hand.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:09:28 -0800, From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> Subject: Re: GBLSECTIONS loop 1 Message-ID: <Ua2dnZ_pGbPRdbnfRVn-vA@megapath.net>   G > You need to run SYSGEN, and enter the following sequence of commands: 
 > USE CURRENT ! > SET GBLSECTIONS 426 (or higher)  > WRITE CURRENT  > WRITE ACTIVEJ > Then reboot.  Unless you are terribly memory-constrained, I would pick aC > number higher than 426.  My PWS 433au with 768Meg of memory has a F > GBLSECTIONS setting of 1250, allowing me to install Mozilla and CSWB4 > images at the same time, as well as run DECWindows Thanks, that did it. Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:22:51 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>  Subject: Re: GBLSECTIONS loop < Message-ID: <fP6Vd.123133$qB6.59024@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>  D Yes, it never increases it enough. If you enter modparams, say from H another node in the cluster, do so. 426 is obviously not enough. Try  a H much higher number. You don't waste memory with more global pages, they > are just pointers to pagers, so the increase is insignificant.*   Increase gblsections while you're at it.  I You'll note after 7.3 it devotes a lot of memory to global sections with   no bad effect.   Bob Koehler wrote:  b > In article <IYWdnSUs0I_eSbnfRVn-rg@megapath.net>, "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> writes: > M >>When I boot, decwinwdows does not come up because there are not enough free M >>GBLSECTIONS. The message says that I need 426 and I only have 210. Autoboot L >>offers to regen to fix this and I answer yes. It goes through the generateE >>and update phase, the system reboots and I still only have 210 free K >>GBLSECTIONS. How do I increase this? I tried modifying the parameter file  >>but to no avail.	 >>Thanks,  >>Paul >  > G >    The offer by AUTOGEN to fix this never works.  Do a conversational E >    boot, put the parameter into sys$system:modparams.dat, and do an  >    autogen by hand.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:36:56 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: GBLSECTIONS loop 0 Message-ID: <1129uk1clrof64d@corp.supernews.com>   Paul Dembry wrote:M > When I boot, decwinwdows does not come up because there are not enough free M > GBLSECTIONS. The message says that I need 426 and I only have 210. Autoboot L > offers to regen to fix this and I answer yes. It goes through the generateE > and update phase, the system reboots and I still only have 210 free K > GBLSECTIONS. How do I increase this? I tried modifying the parameter file  > but to no avail.	 > Thanks,  > Paul >  >   G You haven't specified the total global sections either before or after.   H If you have 210 free, then you need at least 116 more, but to be safe a  bit more would be appropriate.  H Without feedback, or entries in MODPARAMS.DAT, AUTOGEN may not add more  global sections.  H Also, if there is a hard coded value in MODPARAMS.DAT, AUTOGEN will not  override the value.   F The first step is to look at MODPARAMS.DAT.  Some advise to clean out B anything in there not required.  Making that determination is not H trivial.  However, if there is one or more entries for global sections, F either MAX, or MIN, or ADD, or whatever, you need to plan on reducing  the entries to one.    Run INSTALL /LIST /glo /sum    Then run SYSGEN   	 $ install  INSTALL> list /glo /sum   0          Summary of Local Memory Global Sections  D      263 Global Sections Used,  18804/43196 Global Pages Used/Unused
 INSTALL> exit  $ run sys$system:sysgen  SYSGEN>  SHO GBLSECTIONSH Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit 	   Dynamic H --------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ---- 	   ------- I GBLSECTIONS                   420        250        60      4095 Sections 
 SYSGEN>  EXIT  $   I There are other methods of getting the data, but the above example shows  I that total global sections is 420, of which 263 are in use.  I currently   have 157 free global sections.  I If I needed the 426 you need, I would add 426 + 263 = 689, then add some  E more for a cushion.  In this case I'd have an entry in MODPARAMS.DAT   something like:    MIN_GBLSECTIONS = 750   H The number 750 is arbitrary, but allows for the current needs and a bit  extra.  Then run AUTOGEN.   H In about a week, assuming normal operations, you'd have enough feedback G to run AUTOGEN using FEEDBACK.  If the feedback data is happy with the  H 750 global sections, fine, it will not do anything.  If not, it is able G to increase the total since the prefix "MIN_" was used in MODPARAMS.DAT   C If you're going to manage a VMS system, these are just some hints.  I You'll need to know quite a bit more.  However, use of the "MIN_" prefix  I in MODPARAMS.DAT, a week's feedback from a normal load, and AUTOGEN will  C allow you to be a bit lazy.  Absolute values in MODPARAMS.DAT will  # possibly bite you on the ass, hard.    Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:12:23 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> 3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? < Message-ID: <H04Vd.136898$JF2.17418@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:    > Thomas Wirt wrote: > B >>I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and was? >>wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it work M >>seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful as it looks?  >  > H > Trouble with T4 is, its a collector - ONLY. The truly useful bit - theF > reporting and analysis pieces - remain MIA (ever since the demise of > PSPA and SPM). >   E No engineering and Colorado Support have tools they can use with the  B data.  Chances are if you have a problem you'll get them involved.  H > T4 outputs CSV data that will easily choke Excel. TLViz is intended toH > deal with it, that's all TLViz provides: "Time Line Visualization". No > ASCII histograms, etc. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:40:08 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? + Message-ID: <42251978.93202CDF@comcast.net>    Beach Runner wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  >  > > Thomas Wirt wrote: > > D > >>I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and wasA > >>wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it work O > >>seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful as it looks?  > >  > > J > > Trouble with T4 is, its a collector - ONLY. The truly useful bit - theH > > reporting and analysis pieces - remain MIA (ever since the demise of > > PSPA and SPM). > >  > F > No engineering and Colorado Support have tools they can use with theD > data.  Chances are if you have a problem you'll get them involved.  < Well, my problem is management asking for ad-hoc performanceC reports/analysis on zero notice, not to mention wanting to see them F regularly. (I.e., they expect to output like we used to give them fromA SPM and/or PSPA regularly and on-demand). Can they help me there?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:21:41 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) 1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft? 1 Message-ID: <960C9C8C3wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   @ n.rieck@sympatico.ca (Neil Rieck) wrote in <GtlUd.2260$kz6.33147 @news20.bellglobal.com>:  % >Has the shine come off of Microsoft? E >Whether you agree with this article or not, it is still a good read.  > / >http://abcnews.go.com/Business/print?id=508399  >  >  >Neil Rieck  >Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >Ontario, Canada. 9 >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   K I enjoyed that article - I've detected that rotting smell from MS over the  > past 2 years as well, and I'm way over here on the east coast!  G The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is if MS  K should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers on the market, G heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and a corresponding lack of   depth in the technical minutia.   K That will make it that much harder to convince managment that building our  G next new service on a pair of clydesdales, rather than 100 rabbits, is  " long-term cheaper and more secure.  $ Dare I say it:  Long Live Microsoft?   ws   --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:41:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft? B Message-ID: <1109712523.8007bfaccdf346bc7ff6cd6b4daddd20@teranews>   Warren Spencer wrote:nH > The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is if MSM > should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers on the market,sH > heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and a corresponding lack of! > depth in the technical minutia.o  F I'd rather have 100 MS weenies on the market, than have 100 unemployed VMS experts.  G In the 1980s, there were computer experts with experience an education.:C Then came the 1990s with Microosft Weenies who promised the moon to B their employers. And the ease of getting such a weenie (anyone whoC played on a windows box could claim being a windows expert) made IToE directors decide it was the platform to goto because it had unlimitede* supply of weenies to operate/program them.  H MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality over quantity andF realise that hiring some teenage geek to program your mission critical application just doesn't work.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:57:35 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?eQ Message-ID: <OFEEA4C15A.4F91AB65-ON85256FB7.0078875C-85256FB7.0078E3E8@metso.com>r  H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 03/01/2005 04:41:28 PM:   > Warren Spencer wrote: J > > The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is if MSG > > should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers on the  market,hJ > > heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and a corresponding lack of# > > depth in the technical minutia.e >cH > I'd rather have 100 MS weenies on the market, than have 100 unemployed > VMS experts. > I > In the 1980s, there were computer experts with experience an education.cE > Then came the 1990s with Microosft Weenies who promised the moon totD > their employers. And the ease of getting such a weenie (anyone whoE > played on a windows box could claim being a windows expert) made ITPG > directors decide it was the platform to goto because it had unlimitedn, > supply of weenies to operate/program them. > J > MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality over quantity andH > realise that hiring some teenage geek to program your mission critical  > application just doesn't work.G ..but that won't happen because the IT directors do not stay as long aseF the teenage programers, so there is not institutional learning/memory.   ------------------------------   Date: 01 Mar 2005 22:00:14 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch>a1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?n/ Message-ID: <slrnd29pfe.u0.thierry@MARS.Family>   = On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:o > Warren Spencer wrote:tI >> The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is if MStN >> should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers on the market,I >> heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and a corresponding lack ofh" >> depth in the technical minutia. >tJ > MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality over quantity andH > realise that hiring some teenage geek to program your mission critical  > application just doesn't work.  J But this is exactly the course our society is taking.  This is exactly whyM Walmart and such can exist.  And I doubt that you're willing to pay alot moree% once you're accustomed to low prices.g   Thierryg   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:36:45 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft? , Message-ID: <-OydnZUMHPLgc7nfRVn-tw@igs.net>   Thierry Dussuet wrote:? > On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:i >> Warren Spencer wrote:G >>> The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is ifiF >>> MS should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers on@ >>> the market, heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and a9 >>> corresponding lack of depth in the technical minutia.  >>G >> MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality over quantityiD >> and realise that hiring some teenage geek to program your mission* >> critical application just doesn't work. >a@ > But this is exactly the course our society is taking.  This isB > exactly why Walmart and such can exist.  And I doubt that you're@ > willing to pay alot more once you're accustomed to low prices.    J Ferrari had a record year in new car sales, same for BMW. I don't see them dropping their prices.   --  - OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.r   ------------------------------   Date: 01 Mar 2005 23:12:52 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch>M1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?// Message-ID: <slrnd29tnl.u0.thierry@MARS.Family>h  1 On 2005-03-01, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:- > Thierry Dussuet wrote:@ >> On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>> Warren Spencer wrote:eH >>>> The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is ifG >>>> MS should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers onrA >>>> the market, heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and ae: >>>> corresponding lack of depth in the technical minutia. >>> H >>> MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality over quantityE >>> and realise that hiring some teenage geek to program your missiono+ >>> critical application just doesn't work.e >>A >> But this is exactly the course our society is taking.  This is9C >> exactly why Walmart and such can exist.  And I doubt that you're.A >> willing to pay alot more once you're accustomed to low prices.  >eL > Ferrari had a record year in new car sales, same for BMW. I don't see them > dropping their prices.  G Ferraris and BMWs are not things you need but things you want.  Missiono4 critical things mostly aren't matters of choices ;-)   Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:15:49 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?t= Message-ID: <rvGdnfwyw7pNjrjfRVn-vw@metrocastcablevision.com>    Thierry Dussuet wrote:3 > On 2005-03-01, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:D >  >>Thierry Dussuet wrote: >>@ >>>On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>>i >>>>Warren Spencer wrote:  >>>>H >>>>>The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is ifG >>>>>MS should go pop, there will be a glut of MS-zombie-programmers onbA >>>>>the market, heads filled with snappy marketing phrases and a : >>>>>corresponding lack of depth in the technical minutia. >>>>H >>>>MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality over quantityE >>>>and realise that hiring some teenage geek to program your missione+ >>>>critical application just doesn't work.  >>>TA >>>But this is exactly the course our society is taking.  This is1C >>>exactly why Walmart and such can exist.  And I doubt that you're-A >>>willing to pay alot more once you're accustomed to low prices.a >>L >>Ferrari had a record year in new car sales, same for BMW. I don't see them >>dropping their prices. >  > I > Ferraris and BMWs are not things you need but things you want.  Mission 6 > critical things mostly aren't matters of choices ;-)  C Of course they are:  if they weren't, this discussion would not be n@ occurring.  Humans actually need very few things, and while the H companies they work for may be considerably more fragile as long as the F responsible humans don't care that much (because they can always find F another job if this one disappears) they won't differentiate too well A between what seems convenient at the moment and what the company '& actually needs to ensure its survival.  G The Wal-Mart approach to mission-critical systems simply increases the dI chances of disaster - in a manner which is unlikely to be cost-effective iA if actually figured out, but which may seem attractive if not so sA scrutinized.  As long as stockholders and BoDs don't hold people  I responsible for such casual disregard of their fiduciary duties, they'll r6 likely get what they deserve (as they did with Carly).  I Comes from being far too fat, happy, and lazy to bother paying attention aG to such things, but a few more years of abject managerial incompetence 8F will likely make this country far less so.  Too bad for all those who H will be caught up in the catastrophe without having contributed much to H its occurrence save for standing by idly while things went to hell in a  handbasket.r   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:26:09 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?), Message-ID: <aNadnfs72NFVhLjfRVn-gA@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >> Thierry Dussuet wrote:? >>A >>> On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:e >>>  >>>> Warren Spencer wrote: >>>>F >>>>> The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is2 >>>>> if MS should go pop, there will be a glut ofC >>>>> MS-zombie-programmers on the market, heads filled with snappys@ >>>>> marketing phrases and a corresponding lack of depth in the >>>>> technical minutia. >>>>@ >>>> MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality overG >>>> quantity and realise that hiring some teenage geek to program youre4 >>>> mission critical application just doesn't work. >>>aB >>> But this is exactly the course our society is taking.  This isD >>> exactly why Walmart and such can exist.  And I doubt that you'reB >>> willing to pay alot more once you're accustomed to low prices. >> >> >>D >> Ferrari had a record year in new car sales, same for BMW. I don't" >> see them dropping their prices. > H > Not everybody that gets a Ferrari needs a Ferrari, and conversely, not6 > everybody that needs a Ferrari can afford a Ferrari.    B But who doesn't *want* a Ferra......er....robust systems, disaster8 tolerance, investment protection, immunity from viruses?   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:36:26 -0500l' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>y1 Subject: Re: Has the shine come off of Microsoft?o0 Message-ID: <112an6jg2i1u0e0@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>John Smith wrote:o >> >>>Thierry Dussuet wrote:  >>>i >>>oA >>>>On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:t >>>> >>>> >>>>>Warren Spencer wrote: >>>>>e >>>>>uF >>>>>>The thing that worries me (and I'm sure we're years from it), is2 >>>>>>if MS should go pop, there will be a glut ofC >>>>>>MS-zombie-programmers on the market, heads filled with snappys@ >>>>>>marketing phrases and a corresponding lack of depth in the >>>>>>technical minutia. >>>>>i@ >>>>>MS will fall when IT directors will again seek quality overG >>>>>quantity and realise that hiring some teenage geek to program yourD4 >>>>>mission critical application just doesn't work. >>>>B >>>>But this is exactly the course our society is taking.  This isD >>>>exactly why Walmart and such can exist.  And I doubt that you'reB >>>>willing to pay alot more once you're accustomed to low prices. >>>, >>>a >>>5D >>>Ferrari had a record year in new car sales, same for BMW. I don't" >>>see them dropping their prices. >>H >>Not everybody that gets a Ferrari needs a Ferrari, and conversely, not6 >>everybody that needs a Ferrari can afford a Ferrari. >  >  > D > But who doesn't *want* a Ferra......er....robust systems, disaster: > tolerance, investment protection, immunity from viruses? >  > --/ > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.f >  >   7 With that question you open yourself up to the fringes.   I A Ferrari would be a nice toy, in the summer.  Right now it's 20 degrees   F and 4-6 inches of snow.e  H As for the VMS system(s), I don't need a disaster tolerant environment, C as it's usually envisioned.  I do software development.  I do need HG protection against data loss, and backups to a seperate building seems AC to be adequate protection against total loss of the building where f@ primary storage is located.  Hey, if power is out, or one of my D buildings burns down, I'm not going to be sitting happily at a desk  typing while it happens.  I So, for me, a fiber connection to a remote location with RAID, duplicate m3 hardware, and all that isn't needed, not practical.e   Like I said, the fringes.n    And I don't have a Ferrari.  :-(  G But I am working on getting a Long-EZ flying this year.  Blow off most d Ferraris.  :-)   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:28:40 -0500.' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>t6 Subject: Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record0 Message-ID: <1129g2gf4c3209d@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:e > E >>  Me?  I'd install Avaibility Manager or AMDS, and be done with it.  >  >  > Is there a solution for VAX ?   F I submitted RMS_LOCKS to freeware.  It's on the freeware distribution F prior to the current one, V6 possibly.  Also downloadable from the HP  web site I believe.-  I As I've mentioned before, much could be done on the user interface side. =G   It was something that fell out of a project I was working on, so not   much time was spent on it.  C Since I don't have a cluster, it wasn't tested in that environment.0   Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 13:07:20 -0800r( From: "Hein" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: Identify the process locking a RMS recordC Message-ID: <1109711240.346658.160350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   E A much similar question is being discussed in the OpenVMS ITRC Forum:l  K http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=824830t  B Over there two alternative programs, both called rms_tools.c where offered up. ' Dave's solution is in done Basic. Cool!R   :-).   Hein.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:50:18 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e6 Subject: Re: Identify the process locking a RMS recordB Message-ID: <1109713054.8de82850fbbb7b654f42ba18d2cd198e@teranews>   Hein wrote:) > G > A much similar question is being discussed in the OpenVMS ITRC Forum:  > M > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=824830e  H For those who keep javascript disabled, the rms_tools.c from Mr Hein van
 den Heuvel is at:  W > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/getattachment.do?attachmentId=213571&ext=.cV   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:15:20 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>i6 Subject: Re: Identify the process locking a RMS record0 Message-ID: <1129pqv53udbmfd@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:S
 > Hein wrote:a > G >>A much similar question is being discussed in the OpenVMS ITRC Forum:  >>M >>http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=824830- >  > J > For those who keep javascript disabled, the rms_tools.c from Mr Hein van > den Heuvel > is at: >  > W >>http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/getattachment.do?attachmentId=213571&ext=.co  B David Sneldon (probably misspelled, my appologies) also has/had a G utility, in C I believe.  I think his user interface allowed for input <B of a filespec.  I never saw it, just remember the discussion from  several years ago.   Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 17:36:07 -08002 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au6 Subject: Re: Identify the process locking a RMS recordB Message-ID: <1109727367.151487.63720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:t > Hoff Hoffman wrote:rG > >   Me?  I'd install Avaibility Manager or AMDS, and be done with it.c >s > Is there a solution for VAX ?uD This one worked for me (vax only, I don't think it made it to alpha)F http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/description_html/v00484.html Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:43:59 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)S Subject: RE: Interesting error message I just got trying to access accuwea	ther.com 6 Message-ID: <00A40217.187E5C08@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C6082E2662@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:I > Interestingly enough, the accuweather servers are not reporting what OSo( >they are running according to Netcraft. > 3 >OS  Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner  B >unknown  OSU/3.9c;UCX  9-Nov-2003  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   = >unknown  unknown  8-Nov-2003  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   :C >unknown  OSU/3.9c;UCX  28-Mar-2002  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   4E >unknown  OSU/3.8aw2;UCX  26-Feb-2002  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   uC >unknown  OSU/3.9c;UCX  25-Feb-2002  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   aE >unknown  OSU/3.8aw2;UCX  24-Feb-2002  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   tC >unknown  OSU/3.9c;UCX  22-Feb-2002  207.242.93.24   Accuweather    I >Compaq Tru64  OSU/3.8aw2;UCX  6-Mar-2001  207.242.93.24   Accuweather    L >Compaq Tru64  Microsoft-IIS/5.0  5-Mar-2001  207.242.93.24   Accuweather   G >Compaq Tru64  OSU/3.8aw2;UCX  3-Mar-2001  207.242.93.24   Accuweather      I That's kind of the fault of the OSU webserver, which doesn't provide thatfI information and doesn't give you a way to configure that information intooF the reply stream.  You'd have to change the source code and recompile.  G Naturally, this leaves VMS underrepresented in Netcraft's total counts.e  8 But if they're running OSU and UCX, they're running VMS.   -- Alanu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:23:26 -0000- From: "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com>n% Subject: mime encode message in batch B Message-ID: <4224dd52$0$23601$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>  K Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a d batch process. Something like:   $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe $mimei new message.txte <message body txt> ctrl-z add filename1.rtf  add filename2.rfti exitB $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com"     I just get a message saying:/ Change mode can be entered only from a terminalr   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 16:09:24 -0600y; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batch 3 Message-ID: <jOJ60b$J4TiC@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  r In article <4224dd52$0$23601$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>, "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com> writes:M > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a a  > batch process. Something like: >   > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe > $mimeo > new message.txt  > <message body txt> > ctrl-z > add filename1.rtf  > add filename2.rftl > exitD > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com" >  >  > I just get a message saying:1 > Change mode can be entered only from a terminal   ;    mime seems to think it's running EDT.  In general I findeD    munpack/mpack much more useable.  You can find them on one of the    sites listed in the FAQ.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:35:12 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>n) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batchsB Message-ID: <1109715756.65809d3a5afdc90a2e200120d5dcadff@teranews>   Neil Freeman wrote:n  > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe > $mimed > new message.txto > <message body txt> > ctrl-z > add filename1.rtfl > add filename2.rftu > exitD > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com"  E The mail command, if succesful, will send a nice big text message. It-G forces a blank line between its header and that included in message.txt<  G Also,. the "new" command inside of MIME calls up your default editor aseH defined in your mail profile. (Hence the error message you are getting).  @ You need to create a header file that will contain SMTP commandsG followed by the RFC822 header, then you append the output from the MIMErF utility to that header, and use the TCPIP$SFF utility in SYS$SYSTEM to% submit this file to the TCPIP system.a  J SFF is well documented in the wizard or is it the FAQ on the VMS web site.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:16:01 +0100m9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>u) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batchn' Message-ID: <4224E9A1.D8713C53@aaa.com>e   Neil Freeman wrote:g > L > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a  > batch process. Something like: >   > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe > $mimet > new message.txt  > <message body txt> > ctrl-z > add filename1.rtfd > add filename2.rft  > exitD > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com" >  > I just get a message saying:1 > Change mode can be entered only from a terminal-     Yes, it is, but a bit "clumsy".,   It's much easier using MPACK :  5 $! Pack file with ZIP and MPACK and send using NBL...O $! $ data_file = "myfile.txt" $ mime_file = "myfile.mime"  $ zip_file = "myfile.zip"d $ subject = "Test MIME mail" $! $ zip -'zip_file' 'data_file'T1 $ mpack -s "''subject'" -o 'mime_file' 'zip_file'.3 $ mail 'mime_file'   "nbl%""user@host.domain.com"""y $   5 NBL is used to be able to mail out a MIME coded mail.m; VMSMail will corrupt the mime headers (or actualy, put in a ? blank line i the wrong place, so the mail reader will be upset. " NBL stands for "No Blank Line"...)  	 Jan-Erik.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:20:18 +0100d9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batchs' Message-ID: <4224EAA2.67FF7170@aaa.com>o   Bob Koehler wrote: > t > In article <4224dd52$0$23601$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>, "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com> writes:N > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a" > > batch process. Something like: > >a" > > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe	 > > $mimeH > > new message.txt? > > <message body txt>
 > > ctrl-z > > add filename1.rtf  > > add filename2.rft  > > exitF > > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com" > >R > >   > > I just get a message saying:3 > > Change mode can be entered only from a terminaly > , >    mime seems to think it's running EDT...   It is.< I can't recall what was the cure. Either supply a EDIINI.EDT; file. Or setup MAIL> to use TPU. I can't remember, this wasn? 6-7 years ago and I switched to MPACK after a few days struggle- with MIME.EXE...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:28:37 +0100.9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>-) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batch ' Message-ID: <4224EC95.147903D9@aaa.com>g  3 B.t.w, here is how I got MIME.EXE to run in batch :e   $!! $ open/write mimetmp tempfile.tmpo $! $ write mimetmp "$ mime"! $ write mimetmp "new myfile.mime"a $ write mimetmp "add myfie.zip"y $ write mimetmp "exit" $ write mimetmp "Y"x $ write mimetmp "$exit"t $ close mimetmp  $! $ @tempfile.tmpe $!  6 For some reason I had to put it in a separate COM file and run it like that.n  8 The single command line MPACK command is much cleaner...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:43:18 +0000 (UTC). From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batchn. Message-ID: <d02umm$sto$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com> writes in article <4224dd52$0$23601$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net> dated Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:23:26 -0000:L >Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a  >batch process. Something like:  >S >$mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe  >$mime >new message.txt ><message body txt>s >ctrl-zt >add filename1.rtf >add filename2.rft >exituC >$mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com"B >C >N >I just get a message saying:t0 >Change mode can be entered only from a terminal  ! Yes, you can use MIME from batch.s" No, you can't use the NEW command.  E You also need to use TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXE if you don't want VMS headersuK screwing it up.  And even then you still get a blank line under TCPIP V5.3.3  G IIRC I used $ CREATE and OPEN file.txt/DRAFT.  Send e-mail to the below.5 address if you want a full copy of my example script.   # -- spud_demon -at- thundermaker.neto> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:48:07 +0800i@ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au>) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batch , Message-ID: <38kgqbF5mfhn7U1@individual.net>   Neil Freeman wrote:aM > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a .  > batch process. Something like: >   > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe > $mimeo > new message.txtB > <message body txt> > ctrl-z > add filename1.rtfy > add filename2.rft  > exitD > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com" >  >  > I just get a message saying:1 > Change mode can be entered only from a terminald  A This can be done. I have a batch procedure that generates another D procedure for performing file transfers using FTP and MAIL. Below is0 an extract of what gets generated for MIME V1.8:   $!$ ======= CUT HERE ======= $ create a.a Some message goes in here...   $ mime!   new/noedit SYS$SCRATCH:mime.out-3   add/content_type="text/plain"/encoding=base64 a.ae   save   exit= $ mail mime.out "noone@bit.bucket.com"/subject="Your Letter!"2 $!$ ======= CUT HERE =======  F For previous version of MIME it's a litte bit different. The procedureB that generates the final output to be executed decides the type ofA command it should be using by extracting the image ident from thexA SYS$SYSTEM:MIME.EXE image. Output for previous version looks likep this:h   $!$ ======= CUT HERE ======= $ copy nla0: mime.outS( $ set file/attributes=(mrs:500) mime.out $ mime   open/draft mime.out 3   add/content_type="text/plain"/encoding=base64 a.aa   save   exit= $ mail mime.out "noone@bit.bucket.com"/subject="Your Letter!"v $!$ ======= CUT HERE =======  < It is a PITA, but the utility does come with VMS be default.   Hope this is of some use, Tim.  E PS. Not that I've tried it, but you could probably set the input filetC     for MIME to be a logical. This way you could define the logicali?     before you ran MIME and reference the logical in the staticmG     commands passed to MIME, thus avoiding the problem noted by anotherrA     poster of auto-generating a new procedure. I haven't tried its@     because my use of the utility does require the generation of     another procedure.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:56:12 +0800E@ From: Tim Sneddon <first-initiallastname@bsddotinfomedia.com.au>) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batcho, Message-ID: <38kh9gF5pj8n0U1@individual.net>   Keith A. Lewis wrote: G > You also need to use TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXE if you don't want VMS headers M > screwing it up.  And even then you still get a blank line under TCPIP V5.3.- >   I I have not found this. I use the MAIL command to send files (see my otherNI post on this thread) and Mozilla, Nutscrape and Outhouse all seem to haveE+ no trouble handling the messages correctly.g  
 Regards, Tim.e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 12:32:50 -08006 From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsoneB Message-ID: <1109709170.572832.92450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > icerq4a@spray.se wrote:r > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >h > >>icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > >>4 > >>>http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5593047.html > >>C > >>Intel would have been much better off announcing this last yearm whichmD > >>would have help counter all the bad news that gave much steam to the + > >>rumours that IA64 wasn't going to last.  > >l > >i- > > I think Tukwila was sufficient last year.  >aB > I tend to agree.  But the suggestion that this is no longer true> > reflects more than the simple passage of time (though that's significanttC > as well):  it reflects the fact that Tukwila changed from being a_ majorxE > core-design upgrade to yet another ho-hum re-spin (Montecito itself  is a9 > re-spin, but at least a somewhat more interesting one)..  F I think the current information about the what the new Tukwila and theC old Tukwila really is/was is not sufficient to make any really good B assumptions about them. There will be some changes in Montvale and0 Tukwila, perhaps IDF will give some light on it.  E If the new Tukwila is 4-core with good CSI it may become a good chip,: even with an "old" core.   >l > >o > >AE > >>It will be interesting to see how many details Intel will releaseh > >d
 > > today. > > D > >>IA64 is still one generation behind (Power has had dual core for some
 > >>time). > >u > >i3 > > Yes, being late on dual-core has not been good.t >tF > Intel could have had dual-core Itanics any time it wanted them.  ButA > Itanic's appetite for on-chip cache is such that their per-coreeD > performance would have been even less impressive than it has been, anduD > the decision to axe the Alpha Tukwila makes is clear that (just as waslF > the case with MHz until recently) Intel places a premium on per-coreG > performance even in server products which might well be better-served- by& > more emphasis on overall throughput.  = They could have gone down to the single-thread performance of E Power/PA-RISC and then have room on the die. I think the large caches1= has more to do with multiprocessor scaling than single-thread F performance. A Madison with 3Mb cache, that is _optimized_ for 3Mb and? not as the currently versions with disabled cache with very low 2 associtativity, could have been doing pretty good.  B It looks like IBM also prefer fairly premium per-core performance.  C I really wonder how Niagara will actually do, I don't know how manyYE would want to go back 5(?) years in single thread performance, but itn& will atleast be interesting to see it.  F > EV8, of course, had the best of both worlds:  4-way fine-grained SMTC > plus lots of execution units for throughput parallelism, plus the C > single-threaded dominance which a single-core chip makes possiblecG > (though even it would have gone to multiple cores over time:  it justs  D > didn't have comfortable room to do so at the planned 130 nm. debutG > size).  It will be interesting to see whether POWER6 goes that route:e  F > POWER5 already has fine-grained SMT, but only 2-way and IIRC without > extra execution units.  E The information I have is that Power6/6+ will be a dual-core chip andaD most likely 4-way multithreading per core. It looks like Power7 is a new design though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:25:18 -0500M( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson0= Message-ID: <6NOdndrdn4NNdrnfRVn-sQ@metrocastcablevision.com>:   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:    ...o  H > I think the current information about the what the new Tukwila and theE > old Tukwila really is/was is not sufficient to make any really goodcD > assumptions about them. There will be some changes in Montvale and2 > Tukwila, perhaps IDF will give some light on it.  ? The only assumptions I was making were core-specific ones.  If iH significant core changes appear in Montvale or Tukwila I'll be at least F somewhat surprised:  my impression is that Intel pretty much shot the  wad on Montecito.o   > G > If the new Tukwila is 4-core with good CSI it may become a good chip,t > even with an "old" core.  H I agree, at least in the sense that EV7 was a 'good chip' despite being G saddled with an obsolescing core, leading-edge though it may have been iE at introduction.  The Montecito core won't be similarly leading edge  I when it debuts, but neither will it (presumably) be 4+ years old when it e appears in Tukwila.i  @ However, EV7 debuted at a time when no one else could match its I large-system scalability (POWER4+ was pretty respectable, but topped out LF at 32 cores).  That won't be the case when Tukwila appears:  POWER5's E scalability is already remarkable, especially when you consider that  I it's not a mesh architecture, and the high-core-count chips like Niagara uK will offer a different approach to scalability which may also prove potent.7   ...3  F >>Intel could have had dual-core Itanics any time it wanted them.  ButA >>Itanic's appetite for on-chip cache is such that their per-coregD >>performance would have been even less impressive than it has been, >  > andl > D >>the decision to axe the Alpha Tukwila makes is clear that (just as >  > wasl > F >>the case with MHz until recently) Intel places a premium on per-coreG >>performance even in server products which might well be better-servede >  > by > & >>more emphasis on overall throughput. >  > ? > They could have gone down to the single-thread performance off. > Power/PA-RISC and then have room on the die.  I It's not clear that they noticeably exceeded the single-core performance  I of POWER (in the same process generation) even *with* all the cache they e had.  G In 180 nm., POWER4 (with 1.44 MB of on-chip cache led McKinley (with 3  D MB of on-chip cache) slightly in SPECint (yes, POWER4 had help from I off-chip L3 cache, but at 90+ ns. latency it wasn't all that much faster -E than the McKinley zx1's 154 ns. latency to main memory, and POWER4's c+ main-memory latency was over 300 ns. IIRC).c  D In 130 nm., POWER4+ fell somewhat behind as Madison's on-chip cache F increased in size to 6 MB while POWER4+'s remained about the same and E its off-chip cache (and main memory) latency improved only slightly. tF But POWER5 caught up again (its on-chip cache expanded a bit to 2 MB, I but its off-chip cache latency was reduced to 40+ ns. - still a lot more eH than Madison's 10- ns.), and even Madison II's recent expansion to 9 MB 8 of on-chip cache only allowed it to pull slightly ahead.  G Of course, room on the die wasn't the only problem a multi-core Itanic  C faced:  lacking the dramatic power reductions that are claimed for nH Montecito, a dual-core Madison couldn't have run both cores at anything $ like full single-core Madison speed.     I think the large caches? > has more to do with multiprocessor scaling than single-thread  > performance.  C Then you should look harder at the SPECint results.  And, for that uI matter, Itanic's MP scaling characteristics don't seem to be anything to o write home about.q  ;   A Madison with 3Mb cache, that is _optimized_ for 3Mb andeA > not as the currently versions with disabled cache with very low.4 > associtativity, could have been doing pretty good.  G Since a lot of the 'optimization' relating to cache size occurs in the  I compiler (specifically, during its profiling work, when it sees just how 0> well things are being cached), that assertion is not all that I convincing.  And since the 6 MB Madison had extremely high associativity tA to begin with (24-way, when the rule of thumb I remember is that kC anything over about 8-way verges on over-kill:  perhaps 24-way was eI chosen precisely so that even very cut-down versions would be adequate),  E it's even less so (the only reference I could find to a 3 MB Madison  I indicated that its L3 cache had 12-way associativity; even POWER5's new,  " shared 2 MB cache is only 10-way).   > D > It looks like IBM also prefer fairly premium per-core performance.  D How so?  They went to dual-core over 3 years ago in 180 nm., a size I where even with a large chip they could only squeeze 1.44 MB of cache on iE (less than EV7 managed for a *single* core in that process, and less  E than half McKinley used for its single core - i.e., less than 1/4 as gE much per core).  And while the POWER core is certainly somewhat more  I complex due to its support for single-thread performance, it's not clear sH that its size could be *significantly* reduced by changing its focus to  multi-core throughput.  E Given that POWER4's off-chip L3 cache had close to main-memory-level WD latency, IBM clearly had the *option* to load up the chip with more G cache but instead chose the multi-core route over the Itanic 'optimize SF the single-core performance before all else' approach long ago.  Even B today, at 130 nm. it's not clear that they could fit, say, 4 even F simpler cores on a chip without jettisoning most or all the modest L2  on-chip cache that they've got.a  G So IBM appears to be using about as many cores as it can, while Itanic  A manifestly is deprecating core count for cache size.  That makes yI POWER5's dramatic per-core superiority in commercial workloads only that t much more impressive.    > E > I really wonder how Niagara will actually do, I don't know how manyoG > would want to go back 5(?) years in single thread performance, but itp( > will atleast be interesting to see it.  E Why assume that it would be a significant backward step at all, from 0H today's vantage point?  High-core-count chips just sacrifice relatively I small amounts of ultimate single-thread performance to allow them to use rC shorter pipelines (resulting in both smaller and less power-hungry -H cores) and slightly slower clocks to match (resulting in yet more power H reduction - not so much due to frequency per se as to the lower voltage A and current required when you're not driving the hell out of the o+ transistors to achieve maximum clock rate).e  E That's why I expected a lot of the Alpha-inspired Tukwila, and why I e, expect considerably less of its replacement.   ...i  G > The information I have is that Power6/6+ will be a dual-core chip andeF > most likely 4-way multithreading per core. It looks like Power7 is a > new design though.  F Thanks:  that's more than I've heard (this is, for example, the first E time I've heard any mention of a POWER7 at all:  can you suggest any xI good places to pick up more insights?).  But unless POWER6 will debut in uG 130 nm. that kind of surprises me:  the existence of a POWER6+ product  G suggests that the design is intended to live at least all the way down BC to 65 nm. processes, where having only 2 cores on a chip will seem tF pretty silly (exactly the reverse of the POWER situation until today, A where having multiple cores has made them a leader in that area).i  E So I'd have expected POWER6 to debut in 90 nm. with 4 cores, even if MF that required a kind of bulky chip, so that POWER6+ would hit a sweet E spot at 65 nm. - pretty much the way the POWER4/4+/5 transition went.o   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:12:04 -0500m' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>n/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulsone0 Message-ID: <1129t5d7kp3i5e2@corp.supernews.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:w > Bill Todd wrote:  F >>EV8, of course, had the best of both worlds:  4-way fine-grained SMTC >>plus lots of execution units for throughput parallelism, plus theiC >>single-threaded dominance which a single-core chip makes possibleiG >>(though even it would have gone to multiple cores over time:  it justm >  > D >>didn't have comfortable room to do so at the planned 130 nm. debutG >>size).  It will be interesting to see whether POWER6 goes that route:W >  > F >>POWER5 already has fine-grained SMT, but only 2-way and IIRC without >>extra execution units. >  > G > The information I have is that Power6/6+ will be a dual-core chip and F > most likely 4-way multithreading per core. It looks like Power7 is a > new design though. >   B Unfortunately, everyone lost when EV8 was cancelled.  Competition E includes many things, including learning from your competition.  So, oG most CPU vendors learned from their successes, and their failures, and  H also from their competitor's successes and failures.  Power will suffer G from the lost of competition from EV8.  I can say with certainty in my nD mind that Power, and others, will be somewhat less, in some manner,  without EV8.  G Those who feel that it's better to let one company, Intel, provide the tD world with CPUs are wrong.  What Intel will give the world, without H competition, is what it wants to, nothing else.  Don't forget that less I than a year ago Intel had decided that the world didn't need 64 bit x86.  I   It didn't change it's mind on that subject solely on it's own.  x86 is tG a progressive and strong architechure.  Much stronger than it would be dA if not for AMD and Hammer.  Possibly many would be facing forced rG conversion to another architechure, whether they wished it or not.  As tE for the itanic, it's record is rather dismal, even with competition. o/ Think what it would be without any competition.s  > (With the difference between itanic and Power, I use the term  competition rather loosly.)e   Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 21:43:49 -0800l From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson C Message-ID: <1109742229.637720.171640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > icerq4a@spray.se wrote:) > > Bill Todd wrote: >FD > >>EV8, of course, had the best of both worlds:  4-way fine-grained SMTyE > >>plus lots of execution units for throughput parallelism, plus theaE > >>single-threaded dominance which a single-core chip makes possiblenD > >>(though even it would have gone to multiple cores over time:  it just > >o > >eF > >>didn't have comfortable room to do so at the planned 130 nm. debutB > >>size).  It will be interesting to see whether POWER6 goes that route: > >t > >>@ > >>POWER5 already has fine-grained SMT, but only 2-way and IIRC withoutn > >>extra execution units. > >  > >eE > > The information I have is that Power6/6+ will be a dual-core chipi andpF > > most likely 4-way multithreading per core. It looks like Power7 is as > > new design though. > >> >xC > Unfortunately, everyone lost when EV8 was cancelled.  CompetitioniF > includes many things, including learning from your competition.  So,D > most CPU vendors learned from their successes, and their failures, andsB > also from their competitor's successes and failures.  Power will sufferE > from the lost of competition from EV8.  I can say with certainty ina myE > mind that Power, and others, will be somewhat less, in some manner,e > without EV8. >aD > Those who feel that it's better to let one company, Intel, provide thes > world with CPUs are wrong.  	 Ofcourse.-  ) > What Intel will give the world, without01 > competition, is what it wants to, nothing else.c   Yes.   > Don't forget that lessE > than a year ago Intel had decided that the world didn't need 64 bit  x86.G >   It didn't change it's mind on that subject solely on it's own.  x86i isE > a progressive and strong architechure.  Much stronger than it wouldn beB > if not for AMD and Hammer.  Possibly many would be facing forcedD > conversion to another architechure, whether they wished it or not. AsF > for the itanic, it's record is rather dismal, even with competition.1 > Think what it would be without any competition.a  D I think you are a bit confused here, the Prescott had 64-bit supportC and the design decisions for that CPU must have been settled around E 2000. Intel had decided that 64-bit x86 was parts of it's future, bute they announced it late.y  G As for competition with and without AMD. I really doubt the Pentium ProhE (P6) designers at Intel were saying that they didn't want to make thehF fastest possible CPU. In the 90's, they wanted to beat PowerPC, Alpha, PA-RISC, MIPS, Sparc.e   If AMD had not been around,,8 PowerPC might have had a much larger market share today.) AMD has helped Intel in the x86 conquest.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:44:18 -0500a' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>s/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulsonu0 Message-ID: <112anlb2f1n5tb5@corp.supernews.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:,  F > I think you are a bit confused here, the Prescott had 64-bit supportE > and the design decisions for that CPU must have been settled around G > 2000. Intel had decided that 64-bit x86 was parts of it's future, butm > they announced it late.e  G I think that ANYONE who doesn't understand that Intel was not going to aH enable any 64 bit capability in IA-32 unless they were forced to is not + facing the reality that existed a year ago.n  I > As for competition with and without AMD. I really doubt the Pentium ProeG > (P6) designers at Intel were saying that they didn't want to make thetH > fastest possible CPU. In the 90's, they wanted to beat PowerPC, Alpha, > PA-RISC, MIPS, Sparc.   C But Intel didn't want IA-32 competing with IA-64.  They planned on tG controlling this situation.  Only outside forces caused them to enable n EMT64.   > If AMD had not been around,e: > PowerPC might have had a much larger market share today.+ > AMD has helped Intel in the x86 conquest.  >   I Software has helped much more than any hardware.  That said, yes, AMD is e part of the equation.8   Dave   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:05:07 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points , Message-ID: <38k78mF5n9ko8U1@individual.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:  >...G > Peter. I made a positive mention of the SRI presentation in either my & > first or second post in this thread.  F Thanks, I noticed that and you were right, Lynda did do a great job inH her presentation. She flew in just for that 15 minutes since I am way toG chicken to get up in front of that many people. :) My comment was aboutoD the package that included that CD, my wife did a lot of work puttingB that together the night before then Lynda and I put the CDs in the morning of the show.  F > Almost everyone in this thread has heard of Charon but I had no ideaE > about its origins inside DEC (a very cool story) or that Charon-VAXDC > can now out perform the VAX that's being emulated. This is a verysG > cool product and deserves looking into. I was also surprised that onef7 > of your biggest customers was the US military. Kudos.d  C Sometimes when you are too close to the subject you assume everyonesG knows what you do. I just assumed everyone knew that SRI started as the G European Software Migration Centre in DEC and that the US Military is a0D huge customer. CHARON-VAX has been faster than most VAX models for aH long time, and every time a faster CPU comes out CHARON-VAX gets faster.D I did not know that CHARON-VAX has now passed the VAX 7000-760 untilG Lynda sent me the slides, but I'm not surprised to see that it had. Youp2 are right, "Cool" is the best word to describe it.  F > p.s. You gave us all trial uVAX-3500 versions on CD-ROM and I intend > to try my ASAP. Thanks.  >...  F Let me know if you have any problems with it or questions about it. If= you want a full demo then let me know and we can set that up.    -- u Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.l Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXj www.weaverconsulting.cac   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:09:27 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few pointsf, Message-ID: <38k7gpF5mntp3U1@individual.net>   Tom Linden wrote:-G > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:43:52 -0500, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>M > wrote: > G >> Almost everyone in this thread has heard of Charon but I had no idea/ >> aboutD >> its origins inside DEC (a very cool story) or that Charon-VAX canE >> now out perform the VAX that's being emulated. This is a very cooliF >> product and deserves looking into. I was also surprised that one of5 >> your biggest customers was the US military. Kudos.  >eH > I missed that part of the story, but let me guess,  same guys that did6 > FX!32 ?  I would be interested in hearing the story.  B I do not know if they were involved with that, but they did do theC DEC-Migrate (VEST) product and the Alpha to IA64 binary translator.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXe www.weaverconsulting.cah   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:22:14 -0500w- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>tA Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points,B Message-ID: <1109714967.5655b5b4815fc89a3904ca41f5e0151b@teranews>   Peter Weaver wrote:aI > knows what you do. I just assumed everyone knew that SRI started as thecI > European Software Migration Centre in DEC and that the US Military is aD > huge customer.  H But where does the word "CHARON" come from ????? Is that the family name  of the individual who wrote it ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:23:10 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points/, Message-ID: <38k8agF5nc117U1@individual.net>   JF Mezei wrote:n > Peter Weaver wrote:2F >> knows what you do. I just assumed everyone knew that SRI started as@ >> the European Software Migration Centre in DEC and that the US >> Military is a huge customer.u >oE > But where does the word "CHARON" come from ????? Is that the familyn' > name of the individual who wrote it ?.  B That one I do not know, when I was in Switzerland last year on theG training course the instructor mentioned that the only person who knows9H where the name came from is the person who gave it that name and he willH not tell why he decided on the name. But I recall being told that he didA say that it was nothing to do with the Greek Myth about the River  Acheron.   -- d Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.i Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXt www.weaverconsulting.cae   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 23:23:51 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few pointsX, Message-ID: <38kbs7F5ogcnfU1@individual.net>  B In article <1109714967.5655b5b4815fc89a3904ca41f5e0151b@teranews>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Peter Weaver wrote: J >> knows what you do. I just assumed everyone knew that SRI started as theJ >> European Software Migration Centre in DEC and that the US Military is a >> huge customer.S > J > But where does the word "CHARON" come from ????? Is that the family name" > of the individual who wrote it ?   Last I heard. he drove a boat.   bill     -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:26:17 -0600-2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.* Message-ID: <42251639.D782A28@comcast.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <4223D791.F594434A@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > >gF > > How 'bout expecting the cursor to be found where no data currently! > > exists? That *IS* corruption!  > ; >    There's a reason why the cursor appears on the screen.c  8 ...but, it *MUST* *NOT* appear at "imaginary" locations.  E >    Meanwhile I suspect you've never used Columbia's SED, it was them@ >    best we could get on TOPS-20 until DEC finally gave us EDT.  F The MS-DOS Editor that appeared along with QBASIC in MS-DOS V5 behaved
 the same way.s   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:<" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/9  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/s   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2005 06:12:04 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>( Subject: Re: Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU.? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-hOLBezIOYi9N@dave2_os2.home.ours>b  0 On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:17:54 UTC, Chris Sharman # <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:d   > Dave Weatherall wrote:7 > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:03:41 UTC, David J Dachtera e& > > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > >>Bob Koehler wrote:e > >>>In article <421E99A1.9ED7F273@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:mJ > >>>>You just corrupted your file. The cursor line is now one byte longerI > >>>>than the line above it. TPU/EVE has space-padded the line up to the L > >>>>cursor position before you added a space, and then added the space you > >>>>just typed.0 > >>>0G > >>>   You just edited your file, telling TPU to put a space where thec5 > >>>   cursor is.  That's hardly the editor's fault.g > >>I > >>Well, actually, yes it is. See, the editor failed to first reposition J > >>the cursor to the end of the line, which (IMO) it should have done. ItK > >>then added data I did not intend before adding the data I *DID* intend.g > >>7 > >>I believe that is *THE* definition of "corruption".  > >> > >>K > >>>   Yes, I know oher editors can and do use the space bar as a movementrB > >>>   command.  Tradiationaly DEC's editors didn't and TPU is no > >>>   exception. > >  > > G > > I'm with t'other Dave. It's a feature I dislike. I know SET CURSOR PH > > whatever gets around it but it isn't default for my users and every F > > now and again (two in the last two weeks) we fall foul of it. The H > > reaction in our app has been resolved, if they update the format of J > > their input files, but otherwise the rule is 'DO TRIM' before save and* > > exit.  Me, I use SEDT for most things. > < > If you don't like the default cursor behaviour, change it.I > A new section file, with defaults our users were comfortable with, was eE > the first thing I did when I switched them from EDT. I judged it a  * > success when most of them didn't notice.I > TPU's strength (and EVE's too) is its flexibility - either system-wide  0 > or per-user (or even per-group if you prefer).  F I don't have the problem 'cos I don't use EVE. I get bitten when otherC users use it and our, aguably  slightly-broken, app gets confused. t7 (It's a legacy of DOS-11 and , at last, obsolelescent).a  E I have told them how to do it but I can't force 'em, any more than I  C can force them not to configure this highly/configurable editor in iC ways my fingers don't expect. It's their fingers they're concerned   about and that I respect.t  9 I'm not in control of the default section.(sadly ? ! -;))c   -- e Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:07:53 GMTh# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>t Subject: Re: Point Securem< Message-ID: <tY3Vd.123117$qB6.77227@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  d > In article <yiFUd.131282$JF2.78605@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes: >  >>" >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >>N >>>>>>The VMS Colorado Call Center thinks very highly of this product and can M >>>>>>add a lot of value to a customer planning to integrate this into their m >>>>>>environment. >>>>>  >>>>>Point Secure and  >>>>E >>>>System Detective are complimentary and recommended products by Co  >> >>>Like they sell VMS? >>>. >>>  >>? >>Put a call in to Colorado Support and ask about Point Secure.r >  > + > OK.  You've done enough advertising here.  >  I'm not with Point Secure.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:42:08 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Point Securet0 Message-ID: <00A40206.12AA6A2A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <tY3Vd.123117$qB6.77227@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes: {...snip...} >I'm not with Point Secure.A   Just a reseller. -- mK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             "5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" $   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:49:25 GMT 1 From: drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor)e/ Subject: Re: Problem with a DEC terminal server F Message-ID: <p48Vd.91611$Th1.48281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  > In article <a98cd882.0503010401.47676876@posting.google.com>,  Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl says...l >b> >drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor) wrote in message D news:<MvTUd.302609$w62.267287@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...O >> In article <38dtvkF5lrqecU1@individual.net>, hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl says...o >> >   [ S n i p . . . ]u >> PR >> Now all I need to find is that frame that the company described as a backplane  for ; >> them, with a 10BASE-T connector for that style network. d >>   >> Thanks guys.S	 >> ------t" >> Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot netR >> "This signature is a fan of the Marx brothers, and Abbot and Costello. Because  he o >> can." >sF >I am afraid that you will not find anything with a 10BASE-T connectorC >that can be connected to the 90L+. The DEChub90 backplane only hasl: >10BASE-2, and the DETMR has no network connection at all. >aG >The DECserver 90M is the only one in the -90 series that has 10BASE-T.n >o	 >Regards,  >o
 >Bart Zorn Hello from the Eighth DoctorM Thanks. That was something I worked out, sometime after sending that earlier s message.P However thanks to a contract we recently completed, we are up to our <Deleted!> 0 in AUIs which contain 10BASE-T connector points. ---c Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot neto+ "This signature has expired. Please reset."m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:52:06 GMTs1 From: drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor)e/ Subject: Re: Problem with a DEC terminal serverrF Message-ID: <W68Vd.91618$Th1.42855@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  L In article <1128bc3b6cs6n5c@corp.supernews.com>, davef@tsoft-inc.com says... >. >The Eighth Doctor wrote:SO >> In article <38dtvkF5lrqecU1@individual.net>, hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl says...  >> t >>>aC >>>"The Eighth Doctor" <drwho8__NOTME__@att.net> schreef in bericht=C >>>news:BZaUd.81854$Th1.81032@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...i >>>n >>>>Hello from Gregg C LevinesN >>>>I have here a DECserver 90L+. According to the manual which I have here, IL >>>>connected a PC to one of its ports, using a temporary plug. Then set the >>>v >>>terminall >>>lK >>>>software to a default of 9600,8,n,1. (Which I suspect isn't the correcti >>>t >>>settings.) Andi >>>tG >>>>then when I turned the T/S on, and pressed enter, twice, instead ofg >>>6 >>>getting a promptt >>>aN >>>>sequence, I got garbage. Does anyone know the correct way to do a "factory >>>=	 >>>reset"  >>>A >>>>for the thing?	 >>>>-----h# >>>>Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot neto# >>>>"This signature isn't at home."e >>>> >>>o0 >>>What happens if you use 9600,7,n,1 on the PC? >>>e >>>Hansl >>>s >>>y >> u' >> Hello (again) from the Eighth DoctornZ >> Well that setting did not work. Nor did further fiddling either. I finally realized it L >> might be my makeshift cable. A fellow I know through the NetBSD Port-VAX  list tS >> sent me a pair of cables, and four DB25 connectors, one pair male, and one pair t >> female. It worked.- >> -R >> Now all I need to find is that frame that the company described as a backplane  for ; >> them, with a 10BASE-T connector for that style network. e >sI >If you're refering to the DEChub90, then the next question is where are w
 >you located?o >l >> Thanks guys.P	 >> ------." >> Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot netR >> "This signature is a fan of the Marx brothers, and Abbot and Costello. Because  he a >> can." >> i Hello from the Eighth DoctorT Yes I was. Physically? In Astoria Queens, NY. Feel free to email me off list for my  complete physical address. ---n Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot netaR "This signature is a fan of the Marx brothers, and Abbot and Costello. Because he  can,"r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:47:33 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Sayonara Tukwilla= Message-ID: <pZ6dndhy2_p7SbnfRVn-1Q@metrocastcablevision.com>c   Rick Jones wrote: 5 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:. >  >>Rick Jones wrote:l >>, >>>Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: >>> 8 >>>>Are zx1s considered part of the Integrity line now?) >>>mG >>>Yes. For some time now.  My dimm memory cannot recall if the initial E >>>zx1-based server systems (IIRC rx2600, rx5670 at 900 MHz and 1GHz)e@ >>>shipped before the Integrity naming convention or not though. >  > % >>Can your simm memory recall it? ;-)s >  > H > Unclear - over time, my simm memory has been relegated to holding whatH > I'll call "instinctive memories" somewhere deep within the brainstem IG > suspect :) I'm not quite old enough to have instinctive memories held. > in core :) :) :)  G Those of us who are may be a bit slower, but we're a lot more robust - i@ just have to be more careful when we restart rather than reboot.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:02:21 GMTs" From: "Binh Nguyen" <binh@egh.com> Subject: vms mail forwarding+ Message-ID: <1%2Vd.48410$uc.23144@trnddc08>c   Hi, 8 Is there a way I can send mail to a vms mail account and> have that account forward the message to a distribution list ? Thanks. Binh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:25:50 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o  Subject: Re: vms mail forwardingB Message-ID: <1109704395.6b1ceac9b1bbffd998689ff45b1303dd@teranews>   Binh Nguyen wrote: >  > Hi,e: > Is there a way I can send mail to a vms mail account and@ > have that account forward the message to a distribution list ?  H With TCPIP services, you can drop a distribution list file (.dis) in theK TCPIP$SMTP_DOMMON: directory and the name of the file because the username.c  E eg:  TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:chefs.dis  makes "chefs@chocolate.com" a valid.D email destination and any message sent to it gets distributed to all recipients inside.  3 So you could also have MAIL> set forward/user=chefsoF smtp%chefs@chocolate.com and this woudl allow yo from VMS mail to sendH to "chefs" instead of chefs@chocolate.com  (however, i am not sure about possible infinite loops there).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:08:16 GMTl# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)i  Subject: Re: vms mail forwarding0 Message-ID: <QY3Vd.795$Q14.731@news.cpqcorp.net>  P In article <1%2Vd.48410$uc.23144@trnddc08>, "Binh Nguyen" <binh@egh.com> writes:9 :Is there a way I can send mail to a vms mail account ande? :have that account forward the message to a distribution list ?t     Not directly.s  I   You can use a mail server or other such technology, of course, and thisiH   is definitely the approach I would use -- Majordomo or such allows for7   easy management of mail and subscriptions and such.  l  K   As for the OpenVMS MAIL client, there has been an attempt made to preventtJ   forwarding mail to a distribution list because there is no way to handleI   the expected partial failures of such an operation.   There can be onlymE   one target for a MAIL forward, and it can't be a distribution list.l  I   This has been discussed before, of course -- more than a few folks have.I   wanted to try this, and the classic Mail-11 protocol just doesn't allowMH   for it to work correctly.  There is no "correct" implementation choice2   here, obviously, given the Mail-11 restrictions.  ;   The Freeware DELIVER package is another potential option..  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqpN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:29:02 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?B Message-ID: <1109704589.91a5a5acc77c02d89372720e9c6ed7c3@teranews>  > Is it possible to define the VMS bit bucket NLA0: as a mailbox destination for a username ?  G In other words, allow VMS to accept the email without rejecting it, buteH simply discard it without any error or warning messages ? (this would beO for inbound smtp messages, so the trick could be in smtp or at vms mail level).l  H Can I create a username with NLA0: as default device ? Would that work ?E (I assume this would have overhead since VMSmail, seing that mail.maisD doesn't exist, would create it for every message received (with such( action resulting in nothing being done).   ------------------------------   Date: 01 Mar 2005 20:10:16 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch>c( Subject: Re: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?/ Message-ID: <slrnd29j19.u0.thierry@MARS.Family>a   Hello!  = On 2005-03-01, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:-@ > Is it possible to define the VMS bit bucket NLA0: as a mailbox > destination for a username ? >pI > In other words, allow VMS to accept the email without rejecting it, buteJ > simply discard it without any error or warning messages ? (this would beQ > for inbound smtp messages, so the trick could be in smtp or at vms mail level).e  I I don't know which TCP/IP stack you are using but with Multinet there is:e   MULTINET:SMTP_SERVER_REJECT.  " where you can specify such things:  G !       q       Reject quietly -- don't inform Sending SMTP Client thato* !               message will be discarded.   (I guess that's what you want?)l   Thierryt   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 12:54:34 -0800n( From: "Hein" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com>( Subject: Re: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?C Message-ID: <1109710474.729203.270970@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>E  A You are correct in observing that main mail file will live on thea default device.l; If you just try changing that it will not do what you want:   " $ mcr authorize modi test /dev=nl:& %UAF-I-MDFYMSG, user record(s) updated $ mail nl: testE+ %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user TEST 6 -MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening NL:[]MAIL.MAI as output' -SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namee  F Now if you could force sequential mail files, you might have a chance.8 But meither of the two MAIL$ logicals do not offer that:B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-pv5mj-tk/aa-pv5mj-tk.HTMl  B I would recommend SET FORW/USER=TEST  some_silent_node::bitbucket.   fwiw,o Hein.c     Hein.l   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:37:30 +0000 (UTC). From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: VMS mail nla0: as mailbox ?. Message-ID: <d02ubp$sto$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  ' JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>lp  writes in article <1109704589.91a5a5acc77c02d89372720e9c6ed7c3@teranews> dated Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:29:02 -0500:? >Is it possible to define the VMS bit bucket NLA0: as a mailboxS >destination for a username ?u >aH >In other words, allow VMS to accept the email without rejecting it, butI >simply discard it without any error or warning messages ? (this would beMP >for inbound smtp messages, so the trick could be in smtp or at vms mail level).  J You can create a "spam sink" account and add "delete [spamsink]*.mai;*" to& your daily jobs.  I have one of those.  J VMS was designed *not* to do things like lose messages, so I doubt there'sC any hope in creating a user with a screwy home directory, read-onlyo mailfile, etc.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:06:08 -0700s+ From: John Nebel <john.nebel_vms@csdco.com>w, Subject: We are not the only ones who notice( Message-ID: <42251180.1050908@csdco.com>  E The following link was posted on the Leica user's group and caused a vA doubletake because I thought for a moment that I must be reading l comp.os.vms   ( http://gallery.leica-users.org/zeni/BSOD  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:42:44 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u0 Subject: Re: We are not the only ones who notice, Message-ID: <CtWdnfWOScKIh7jfRVn-ig@igs.net>   John Nebel wrote:yF > The following link was posted on the Leica user's group and caused aB > doubletake because I thought for a moment that I must be reading
 > comp.os.vmsr >n* > http://gallery.leica-users.org/zeni/BSOD >i > John Nebel    G Maybe displaying the BSOD at an airport will get Microsoft charged with # being a terrorist organization  ;-)h   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:54:05 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>0 Subject: Re: We are not the only ones who notice( Message-ID: <42251CBD.A3F93@comcast.net>   John Smith wrote:c >  > John Nebel wrote:iH > > The following link was posted on the Leica user's group and caused aD > > doubletake because I thought for a moment that I must be reading > > comp.os.vmsn > >l, > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/zeni/BSOD > >r > > John Nebel > I > Maybe displaying the BSOD at an airport will get Microsoft charged with % > being a terrorist organization  ;-)   B Could BSOD be classified a terrorist act, given the way some folks respond to it?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:t" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:47:18 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?e$ Message-ID: <d02dbm$rlc$1@online.de>  E In article <0tb8215v1cqd6j6phpuk4isfa33liqm5fa@4ax.com>, Nigel Barkers <nigel@hp.com> writes: e  O > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:04:28 -0600, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>i > wrote: > J > >AFAIK, DRAn: (KZPSx) drives are local drives visible to only one node, < > >so they can't be used as quorum drives anyways, can they? > J > You can use local disks as quorum. It's not ideal but if e.g. you have aJ > two node LAVC making one of the local disks a quorum disk at least givesF > you a 50:50 chance of the cluster staying up if one node goes down.   F Yes, but, as the documentation says, why not just give the node which H would have the quorum disk more than half the total votes?  EXACTLY the > same behaviour, but without having to mess with a quorum disk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:13:16 -0600m/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>)E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? , Message-ID: <38kenjF5peh70U1@individual.net>   Nigel Barker wrote: O > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:04:28 -0600, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  > wrote: >  > I >>AFAIK, DRAn: (KZPSx) drives are local drives visible to only one node, e; >>so they can't be used as quorum drives anyways, can they?r >  > N > You can use local disks as quorum. It's not ideal but if e.g. you have a twoR > node LAVC making one of the local disks a quorum disk at least gives you a 50:509 > chance of the cluster staying up if one node goes down.u  I I misstated.  Instead of saying "they can't be used", I should have said  & "there is no advantage to using them".   -- aG -----------------------------------------------------------------------f$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:31:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>t) Subject: What text format and VMS tools ?-B Message-ID: <1109704745.01bfb7b8e15fe84e4412a8b4a33b7295@teranews>  N http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/system/i386_linux2/srvd/usr/athena/man/man3/Uil.3X  & has some non-wisywig document such as: ## .LI "\*LUil_k_terminate\*O"f5 Tells UIL to terminate processing of the source file.f .LI "\*LUil_k_continue\*O"1 Tells UIL to continue processing the source file.c .LE  .PP  .ne 2i ##  6 Can anyone tell me what language this is written in ? 4 And what tools exists on VMS to handle this format ?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 11:37:41 -0800s) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com>a- Subject: Re: What text format and VMS tools ?rC Message-ID: <1109705860.971740.219620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>i   JF Mezei wrote (in part):n >fN http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/system/i386_linux2/srvd/usr/athena/man/man3/Uil.3X >i( > has some non-wisywig document such as: > ## > .LI "\*LUil_k_terminate\*O" 7 > Tells UIL to terminate processing of the source file.e > .LI "\*LUil_k_continue\*O"3 > Tells UIL to continue processing the source file.c > .LEo > .PPn > .ne 2i > ## >c7 > Can anyone tell me what language this is written in ?c6 > And what tools exists on VMS to handle this format ?  G The source is input for the troff or nroff commands on UN*X. DEC RunoffbA was similar, but more limited. Someone may have ported one of the.F commands to VMS. I just checked and they are not included with the GNVD that I have installed on the DS10 on my desk which is running v7.3-2   Kenl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:14:05 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>.- Subject: Re: What text format and VMS tools ?o* Message-ID: <4224CD0D.6E68F44@adldata.com>   JF Mezei wrote:y > P > http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/system/i386_linux2/srvd/usr/athena/man/man3/Uil.3X > ( > has some non-wisywig document such as: > ## > .LI "\*LUil_k_terminate\*O"l7 > Tells UIL to terminate processing of the source file.  > .LI "\*LUil_k_continue\*O"3 > Tells UIL to continue processing the source file.i > .LEt > .PPe > .ne 2i > ## > 7 > Can anyone tell me what language this is written in ?a6 > And what tools exists on VMS to handle this format ?  " Looks like vms runoff or unix roff   sole   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2005 16:02:30 -0600i; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o- Subject: Re: What text format and VMS tools ? 3 Message-ID: <2aQCR9CCJHAE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1109704745.01bfb7b8e15fe84e4412a8b4a33b7295@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:P > http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/system/i386_linux2/srvd/usr/athena/man/man3/Uil.3X > ( > has some non-wisywig document such as: > ## > .LI "\*LUil_k_terminate\*O"o7 > Tells UIL to terminate processing of the source file.e > .LI "\*LUil_k_continue\*O"3 > Tells UIL to continue processing the source file.  > .LE  > .PP  > .ne 2i > ## > 8 > Can anyone tell me what language this is written in ? 6 > And what tools exists on VMS to handle this format ?  G    It looks like runoff.  Use the runoff command to convert it to text.'   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:36:07 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>- Subject: Re: What text format and VMS tools ?g, Message-ID: <38k92qF5q4chrU1@individual.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:G > In article <1109704745.01bfb7b8e15fe84e4412a8b4a33b7295@teranews>, JFv. > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >>N http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/system/i386_linux2/srvd/usr/athena/man/man3/Uil.3X >>) >> has some non-wisywig document such as:m >> ##n >> .LI "\*LUil_k_terminate\*O"8 >> Tells UIL to terminate processing of the source file. >> .LI "\*LUil_k_continue\*O"v4 >> Tells UIL to continue processing the source file. >> .LE >> .PP	 >> .ne 2i  >> ##  >>8 >> Can anyone tell me what language this is written in ?7 >> And what tools exists on VMS to handle this format ?e >aC >    It looks like runoff.  Use the runoff command to convert it tob > text.n  H Looks like RUNOFF, but it is not. RUNOFF did not have any .PP directive.F If anyone is interested the "OpenVMS Digital Standard Runoff Reference
 Manual" is atMI http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_DSR_REF.pdf.   H JF, if you want examples of RUNOFF load a freeware CD and look for *.RNOA files on it, I'm pretty sure I recall seeing some examples there.D   -- n Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXr www.weaverconsulting.cae   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:34:49 -0500h- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>i- Subject: Re: What text format and VMS tools ?u1 Message-ID: <zOqdna6C79DEqbjfRVn-oQ@adelphia.com>N   JF Mezei wrote:sP > http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/system/i386_linux2/srvd/usr/athena/man/man3/Uil.3X > ( > has some non-wisywig document such as: > ## > .LI "\*LUil_k_terminate\*O"r7 > Tells UIL to terminate processing of the source file.t > .LI "\*LUil_k_continue\*O"3 > Tells UIL to continue processing the source file.  > .LE  > .PP  > .ne 2i > ## > 8 > Can anyone tell me what language this is written in ? 6 > And what tools exists on VMS to handle this format ?   Looks like a troff format.  G Look in the rsync zip file at http://encompasserve.org/~malmberg/rsync  H for a TPU macro that knows how to translate some of that to RUNOFF .rno - or .rnh format depending on what you ask for.   / There may even be some command files to assist.   ! No support offered for this hack.M   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.121 ************************nsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Seminar in Toronto (2005-02-24) a few points , Message-ID: <38k78mF5n9ko8U1@individual.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:  >...G > Peter. I made a positive mention of the SRI presentation in either my & > first or second post in this thread.  F Thanks, I noticed that and you were right, Lynda did do a great job inH her presentation. She flew in just for that 15 minutes since I am way toG chicken to get up in front of that many pe../../vax86a/arizona@ >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/arizona <<< CWD ../../vax86a/battelle A >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/battelled <<< CWD ../../vax86a/belonis@ >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/belonis <<< CWD ../../vax86a/bjorndW? >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/bjornd  <<< CWD ../../vax86a/bnelson@ >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/bnelson <<< CWD ../../vax86a/bzl< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/bzl <<< CWD ../../vax86a/dfwlug<? >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/dfwlugt <<< CWD ../../vax86a/dmm< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/dmm <<< CWD ../../vax86a/eldra= >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/eldr, <<< CWD ../../vax86a/eri< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/eri <<< CWD ../../vax86a/eros = >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/erosM <<< CWD ../../vax86a/forth> >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/forth <<< CWD ../../vax86a/ftcopy.? >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/ftcopy- <<< CWD ../../vax86a/games> >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/games <<< CWD ../../vax86a/hex< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/hex <<< CWD ../../vax86a/jain.= >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/jainN <<< CWD ../../vax86a/jenkins@ >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/jenkins <<< CWD ../../vax86a/llj< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/llj <<< CWD ../../vax86a/mivaxlugaA >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/mivaxlugd <<< CWD ../../vax86a/ncar8= >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/ncarr <<< CWD ../../vax86a/nswca= >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/nswcc <<< CWD ../../vax86a/nua; >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/nu," <<< CWD ../../vax86a/pageswapperD >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/pageswapper <<< CWD ../../vax86a/pic< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/pic <<< CWD ../../vax86a/piper> >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/piper( <<< CWD ../../vax86a/rainbow_to_allin1J >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/rainbow_to_allin1 <<< CWD ../../vax86a/sautter@ >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/sautter <<< CWD ../../vax86a/scanner@ >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/scanner <<< CWD ../../vax86a/sdb< >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/sdb <<< CWD ../../vax86a/sedt.= >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/sedt. <<< CWD ../../vax86a/sewall/? >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/sewallu <<< CWD ../../vax86a/simvaxi? >>> 550 %%RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: ../../vax86a/simvaxo <<< CWD 