1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 04 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 125       Contents:! ANN: VTfm V2.3-4 is now available  Re: Backup /ALIAS question, Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!)0 Re: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!) Re: Build problems - ZLIB  Re: Build problems - ZLIB # Re: Changing Tape Device protection  CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! RE: CMS Library Creation Question ? Re: DCPS printing of ANSI files (where does it get the fonts ?) ? Re: DCPS printing of ANSI files (where does it get the fonts ?) & Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance  Re: DECC floating point question  Re: DECC floating point question# Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle 	 get a VAX 
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 Re: get a VAX * Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? Re: Logfile name Re: Logfile name Re: Logfile name, Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:22:10 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> * Subject: ANN: VTfm V2.3-4 is now available* Message-ID: <4227C652.1050304@goatley.com>  : Thanks to Vladimir Vershinin, VTfm V2.3-4 is now available8 from my FILESERV.  VTfm is a Norton Commander-style file' and directory manager for VT terminals.   ) VTfm new release 2.3-4 (important fixes):   3 - fix bug concerning incorrect display of file size "    in bytes when it more than 4GB;, - some bug fixes concerning long file names;1 - User's Guide in PDF format included in the kit.    http://www.process.com/openvms/   4 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip9 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip   0 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip5 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:42:09 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS question + Message-ID: <4227CB00.32B7372E@comcast.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <422516E3.7B201985@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > > > > However, UN*X-like "links" ("aliases") are new with ODS-5. > >  > D >    Yes, but I got the impression that the OP was talking about old >    fashioned file aliases.  D He was. However, Syltrem (to whom I was responding) was asking about something more esoteric.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 18:35:57 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com5 Subject: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!) B Message-ID: <1109903757.068498.15370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  " Well, I've now successfully built:   * Freetype 2.1.9	 * JPEG 6B  * LIBPNG 1.2.8
 * XPM 3.4K * ZLIB 1.2.2  D Those are the prerequisites. All that is left now is to successfully@ build GD, GDCHART and then link it to the PERL installation thatC already works. Unfortunately, I am still having problems with GD. I G modified the QPORT.COM to point to the later versions of the above that G I was able to build. However, it does not like something with the macro B file and I am using MMK rather than MMS so the error message isn't great. Here is the output:	 $ set ver  $ @[.contrib.vms]qport $! $!      QPORT.COM  $! $!      Build GD 2.0.28 on VMS $!A $!      Files new and/or modified vis-a-vis the original tarball:  $!              QPORT.COM ) $!              [.CONTRIB.VMS]DESCRIP.MMS . $!              [.CONTRIB.VMS]CIRCLETEXTTEST.C" $!              [.CONTRIB.VMS]GD.H$ $!              [.CONTRIB.VMS]GDFX.C% $!              [.CONTRIB.VMS]GDXPM.C  $! $ SAY := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT  $ WSE := WRITE SYS$ERROR $!# $ ARCH_NAME = F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME")  $ VERSION = F$GETSYI("VERSION")  $! $ SAY ""  5 $ SAY "Building GD 2.0.28 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1  " + Building GD 2.0.28 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1  $ SAY ""   $!= $ ARCH_NAME = F$EDIT(F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME"),"UPCASE,COLLAPSE")  $! $ SRCDIR = F$PARSE("[]") - ".;"  $!' $ IF F$SEARCH("CONTRIB.DIR") .EQS. "" - '       THEN CREATE\/DIRECTORY [.CONTRIB] - $ IF F$SEARCH("[.CONTRIB]VMS.DIR") .EQS. "" - +       THEN CREATE\/DIRECTORY [.CONTRIB.VMS] / $ CONTRIBDIR = F$PARSE("[.CONTRIB.VMS]") - ".;"  $!7 $ IF F$SEARCH("[.CONTRIB.VMS]EXE_ALPHA.DIR") .EQS. "" - 5       THEN CREATE\/DIRECTORY [.CONTRIB.VMS.EXE_ALPHA] 5 $ EXEDIR = F$PARSE("[.CONTRIB.VMS.EXE_ALPHA]") - ".;"  $!7 $ IF F$SEARCH("[.CONTRIB.VMS]LIB_ALPHA.DIR") .EQS. "" - 5       THEN CREATE\/DIRECTORY [.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA] 5 $ LIBDIR = F$PARSE("[.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]") - ".;"  $!7 $ IF F$SEARCH("[.CONTRIB.VMS]OBJ_ALPHA.DIR") .EQS. "" - 5       THEN CREATE\/DIRECTORY [.CONTRIB.VMS.OBJ_ALPHA] 5 $ OBJDIR = F$PARSE("[.CONTRIB.VMS.OBJ_ALPHA]") - ".;"  $! $ INCLUDES = CONTRIBDIR +-       "," + SRCDIR $ DEFINES = D "QPORT=1,HAVE_LIBPNG=1,HAVE_LIBJPEG=1,HAVE_LIBFREETYPE=1,HAVE_LIBXPM =1,HAVE_LIBZ=1" C $ DEFINES = DEFINES + ",HAVE_PTHREAD=1,HAVE_ICONV=1,HAVE_ICONV_H=1"  $! $!      Dependencies $!              FreeType 2.1.7 $!              Jpeg 6b  $!              LibPNG 1.2.7 $!              XPM 3.4k $!              ZLib 1.2.1 $!E $ D_FREETYPE = F$PARSE("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9]") -  ".;"; $ D_JPEG = F$PARSE("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[JPEG.JPEG-6B]") - ".;" < $ D_PNG = F$PARSE("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[LIBPNG.LPNG128]") - ".;": $ D_XPM = F$PARSE("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[XPM.XPM-3_4K]") - ".;"0 $ D_Z = F$PARSE("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[ZLIB]") - ".;" $!/ $ IFREETYPE = D_FREETYPE - "]" + ".INCLUDE...]" 5 $ LFREETYPE = D_FREETYPE - "]" + ".INCLUDE.FREETYPE]"  $ IJPEG = D_JPEG $ IPNG = D_PNG $ IXPM = D_XPM - "]" + ".LIB]"
 $ IZ = D_Z $!" $ LIBFREETYPE = D_FREETYPE - "]" +% ".CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]FREETYPE.OLB"  $ IFK F$SEARCH("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]FR 0 EETYPE.OLB") .EQS. "" THEN GOTO L_NOFREETYPE_XIT? $ LIBJPEG = D_JPEG - "]" + ".CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBJPEG.OLB"  $ IFK F$SEARCH("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[JPEG.JPEG-6B.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBJPEG.OLB")  .EQS. "" THEN GOTO L_NOJPEG_XIT < $ LIBPNG = D_PNG - "]" + ".CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBPNG.OLB" $ IFK F$SEARCH("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[LIBPNG.LPNG128.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBPNG.OLB"   ) .EQS. "" THEN GOTO L_NOPNG_XIT< $ LIBXPM = D_XPM - "]" + ".CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBXPM.OLB" $ IFJ F$SEARCH("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[XPM.XPM-3_4K.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBXPM.OLB") .EQS. "" THEN GOTO L_NOXPM_XIT6 $ LIBZ = D_Z - "]" + ".CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBZ.OLB"E $ IF F$SEARCH("OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[ZLIB.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA.LIBZ.OLB")  .EQS. "" THEN GOTO L_NOZ_XIT $! $ SET DEFAULT [.CONTRIB.VMS] $!" $ OPEN/WRITE MFILE MFILE.MMS_ALPHA $ WRITE MFILE "#" 8 $ WRITE MFILE "SRCDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28]" $ WRITE MFILE "#"  $ WRITE MFILE "CONTRIBDIR = , BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS]" $ WRITE MFILE "#"  $ WRITE MFILE "EXEDIR = 6 BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS.EXE_ALPHA]" $ WRITE MFILE "LIBDIR = 6 BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]" $ WRITE MFILE "OBJDIR = 6 BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS.OBJ_ALPHA]" $ WRITE MFILE "#" $ $ WRITE MFILE "DEFINES = " + DEFINES $ WRITE MFILE "INCLUDES = 6 BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS],BUILD_DEV: [000000.GD.GD-2_0_28]" $ WRITE MFILE "#"  $ WRITE MFILE "IFREETYPE =5 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.INCLUDE...]" 6 $ WRITE MFILE "IJPEG = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[JPEG.JPEG-6B]"7 $ WRITE MFILE "IPNG = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[LIBPNG.LPNG128]" 9 $ WRITE MFILE "IXPM = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[XPM.XPM-3_4K.LIB]" + $ WRITE MFILE "IZ = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[ZLIB]"  $ WRITE MFILE "#"  $ WRITE MFILE "LFREETYPE =5 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.INCLUDE.FREE  TYPE]" $ WRITE MFILE "#"  $ WRITE MFILE "LIBFREETYPE =3 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.CONTRIB.VM  S.LIB_ALPHA]FREETYPE.OLB"  $ WRITE MFILE "LIBJPEG =7 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[JPEG.JPEG-6B.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIB 	 JPEG.OLB"  $ WRITE MFILE "LIBPNG = 8 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[LIBPNG.LPNG128.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LI	 BPNG.OLB"  $ WRITE MFILE "LIBXPM = 8 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[XPM.XPM-3_4K.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBX PM.OLB"  $ WRITE MFILE "LIBZ = 5 OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[ZLIB.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBZ.OLB"  $ WRITE MFILE "#" 
 $ CLOSE MFILE  $!5 $ MMS /DESCRIPTION=DESCRIP.MMS /MACRO=MFILE.MMS_ALPHA D %MMK-F-MACFILSYNTAX, syntax error at line 1 in macro definition file BUILD_DEV:[ 1 000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS]MFILE.MMS_ALPHA;5  $  $ ty mfile.mms_alpha # ( SRCDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28] # 8 CONTRIBDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS] # > EXEDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS.EXE_ALPHA]> LIBDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]> OBJDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS.OBJ_ALPHA] # 	 DEFINES = F QPORT=1,HAVE_LIBPNG=1,HAVE_LIBJPEG=1,HAVE_LIBFREETYPE=1,HAVE_LIBXPM=1,6 HAVE_LIBZ=1,HAVE_PTHREAD=1,HAVE_ICONV=1,HAVE_ICONV_H=1
 INCLUDES =E BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS],BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2  _0_28] # @ IFREETYPE = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.INCLUDE...]& IJPEG = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[JPEG.JPEG-6B]' IPNG = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[LIBPNG.LPNG128] ) IXPM = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[XPM.XPM-3_4K.LIB]  IZ = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[ZLIB]  # F LFREETYPE = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.INCLUDE.FREETYPE] # 
 LIBFREETYPE = B OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[FREETYPE.FREETYPE-2_1_9.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]FRE	 ETYPE.OLB 	 LIBJPEG = ? OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[JPEG.JPEG-6B.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBJPEG.OLB  LIBPNG =@ OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[LIBPNG.LPNG128.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBPNG.OLBG LIBXPM = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[XPM.XPM-3_4K.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBXPM.OLB ; LIBZ = OPENSOURCE$ROOT:[ZLIB.CONTRIB.VMS.LIB_ALPHA]LIBZ.OLB  #  $    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:07:13 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)9 Subject: Re: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!) ; Message-ID: <4227def1.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: ' > I am still having problems with GD. I I > modified the QPORT.COM to point to the later versions of the above that I > I was able to build. However, it does not like something with the macro D > file and I am using MMK rather than MMS so the error message isn't > great. Here is the output: > $ set ver  > $ @[.contrib.vms]qport > $! > $!      QPORT.COM  > $!  > $!      Build GD 2.0.28 on VMS ... $ > $ OPEN/WRITE MFILE MFILE.MMS_ALPHA > $ WRITE MFILE "#" : > $ WRITE MFILE "SRCDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28]" ...  > $ CLOSE MFILE  > $!7 > $ MMS /DESCRIPTION=DESCRIP.MMS /MACRO=MFILE.MMS_ALPHA F > %MMK-F-MACFILSYNTAX, syntax error at line 1 in macro definition file> > BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS]MFILE.MMS_ALPHA;5   Just guessing, but anyway:  G MMK isn't happy with "#" used as a comment introducer (which originates C from *ix). Try and replace it with the more VMSish "!" in the WRITE A statements, or take out that statements altogether, as they don't   contribute to the build process.   cu,    Martin --  ;                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! . Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 13:22:05 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Build problems - ZLIB3 Message-ID: <$kKmOF6qHca3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <1109811836.288768.155000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, mcbill20@yahoo.com writes:   > #  define NO_vsnprintf > ......................^  > %CC-W-MACROREDEF  C    This is a common code bug, ignored by people who don't have good <    compilers.  It will probably generate the correct result.   I > One strange thing is the object file that it is complaining about. When H > I run the qport.com again, I would expect it to stop at the same place> > but it complains about a different file (GZIO.OBJ instead of
 > CRC32.OBJ):   I    It looks like it's using or emulating MMS.  Since the worst thing you  G    got was a -W- the C compiler went ahead and made an object file.  On G    rerunning the build it looks like the code has already been compiled     and doesn't try again.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 18:27:05 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Build problems - ZLIBC Message-ID: <1109903225.508938.165500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   F Thanks. Taking out the NO_vsnprintf definition in QPORT.COM solved the problem.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:45:10 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Changing Tape Device protection+ Message-ID: <4227CBB6.E4714E25@comcast.net>    Marty O'Connor wrote:  > C > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message :  > G > : Now, if only there was a way to make FC tape DEVICES persist across G > : boots! If something changes in the (T)SAN, I get a whole new set of ' > : devices and my old ones go bye-bye!  > : I > : Not sure what evil magic is at work there, but sure blew my doors off  > : when I saw THAT one! > : I > : Anyway, no big deal with the DCL approach, and I don't have to update $ > : anything if I add a tape device. > :  > d > Have you looked into SYSMAN IO REPLACE $2$MGAx:? Once I got everything set the way I wanted it has; > been very stabel except when a physical drive is swapped.   F That's EXACTLY how this was manifested. The entries in SYS$DEVICES.DATE did not configure at boot up; however, in attempting to find out what F happened, I tried IO REPLACE, and guess what? Somehow the WWIDs of allB my drives got scrambled. To this day, no one knows how that can be( possible, but I (and my partner) saw it!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:22:41 GMT , From: david-m-jones@nospam.net (David Jones)& Subject: CMS Library Creation Question9 Message-ID: <RDPVd.325$5m.34614@twister.southeast.rr.com>   F I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory
 structure:   Main Library ------------      |      +-- System1          -------
             |              +--- Function1                  ---------                      |'                      +----- Setup Files   C There are many setup files under many functions under many systems.   3 I'm totally new to CMS and any help is appreciated.                           ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:10:53 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)* Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question; Message-ID: <4227dfcd.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   - David Jones <david-m-jones@nospam.net> wrote: H > I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory > structure: >  > Main Library > ------------ >     |  >     +-- System1  >         -------  >            | >            +--- Function1  >                 ---------  >                     | ( >                     +----- Setup Files > E > There are many setup files under many functions under many systems.  > 5 > I'm totally new to CMS and any help is appreciated.   B AFAIK, CMS is flat, i.e. doesn't have the capability to directory-E structure libraries. Nor can libraries be nested. You'll have to have ) one CMS library for every directory path.    cu,    Martin --  A                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:14:48 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>* Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question. Message-ID: <42279A68.10890.B943DD9@localhost>  ) On 4 Mar 2005 at 2:22, David Jones wrote: H > I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory > structure:  [...]   F Do you really need CMS libraries that have this structure?  CMS has a E "reference copy" capability.  When you update a library element, the  C updated element is copied into the directory you specify (on a per-  library basis).   F I'd set up separate CMS libraries for the code parts of each level in F your diagram, and assign their reference copies in the tree structure  you desire.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:17:45 +11006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>* Subject: RE: CMS Library Creation QuestionX Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE05@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52071.47BED215 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   L In CMS, this is achieved with groups.  System1 is a group in the main libra=L ry, function1 is a (sub)group in system1, setup1 is a (sub)group in functio=L n1, and your files are within that group.  System2 is a group in the main l= ibrary, ....  L Your files can actually be in any of the groups and can even be in more tha= n one.   Regards, Paddy=20      -----Original Message-----3 From: David Jones [mailto:david-m-jones@nospam.net]  Sent: Fri 3/4/2005 1:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: CMS Library Creation Question =20 F I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory
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 n one.<BR> <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR> <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR>L From: David Jones [<A HREF=3D"mailto:david-m-jones@nospam.net">mailto:david= -m-jones@nospam.net</A>]<BR> Sent: Fri 3/4/2005 1:22 PM<BR> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR> * Subject: CMS Library Creation Question<BR> <BR>J I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory<BR> structure:<BR> <BR> Main Library<BR> ------------<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<BR>( &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +-- System1<BR>< &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -------<BR>H &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<BR>L &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--- Fun=
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TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52071.47BED215--    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:17:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: DCPS printing of ANSI files (where does it get the fonts ?)B Message-ID: <1109883914.f3e6490041f9f1dcc2b848a9466d16c4@teranews>   Paul Anderson wrote:1 >    $ DEFINE /EXECUTIVE_MODE /SYSTEM DCPS$TEST 1 , >    $ PRINT /PARAMETERS=DIAG=FILE=BOTH file   THANK YOU VERY MUCH !   E I got to see all the code that defines things. The D4 also underlines ! (and that is what my graphic did)   7 The font definitions appear similar to those I found in G TERMINAL_DECTECH.PS (which interestingly doesn't appear on and alpha).    G I found it fascinating that some pieces of postscript code date back to ; 1987... a time where Digital hadn't yet adopted Postscript.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 17:16:31 -0500 / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) H Subject: Re: DCPS printing of ANSI files (where does it get the fonts ?)- Message-ID: <ra8Hzh4fajDK@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > Paul Anderson wrote:2 >>    $ DEFINE /EXECUTIVE_MODE /SYSTEM DCPS$TEST 1- >>    $ PRINT /PARAMETERS=DIAG=FILE=BOTH file  >  > THANK YOU VERY MUCH !    [...]   I > I found it fascinating that some pieces of postscript code date back to = > 1987... a time where Digital hadn't yet adopted Postscript.   & Huh?  Ever hear of the LPS40 or LN03R?   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 13:08:44 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance 3 Message-ID: <gpQ2RgB8mI4M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   } In article <craigberry-BD6DDC.22284702032005@news.isp.giganews.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes: 3 > In article <960DBE4A2wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>, 5 >  wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:  > I >> As documented in the man pages, Solaris' _toupper() returns undefined  < >> results if the character passed to it is NOT lower case.  > G > If that's true, and I have no reason to doubt your account, then the  I > Solaris implementation does not comply with the ANSI C standard, which  A > states that the argument is returned unmodified unless it is a  < > character in the current locale for which islower is true.  B    Checking on a Solaris I have access to, it claims toupper() andD    tolower() act as expected, but the input to _toupper()/_tolower()D    MUST be lowercase/uppercase letters.  The action when they're not>    is not defined by the man page.  This is a typical man page;    inaccuracy, the real story is more involved (see below).   ?    That's sure a surprise, I always assumed that _toupper() and A    _tolower() were well defined ASCI C macros that were portable.   =    The actual definition on Solaris depend on whether and how G    _POSIX_C_SOURCE, _XOPEN_SOURCE, and/or _STDC__ are defined, they can     be:         extern int _toupper(int);        extern int _tolower(int);       or         extern int *__trans_upper;        extern int *__trans_lower;  -       #define _toupper(c)  (__trans_upper[c]) -       #define _tolower(c)  (__trans_lower[c])       or %       extern unsigned char __ctype[]; 2       #define _toupper(c)     ((__ctype + 258)[c])2       #define _tolower(c)     ((__ctype + 258)[c])  H    It's not clear what these do, since the first are actually functions,6    and the rest depend on externally declared lookups.  M    Compare this to DEC C, depending on __CRTL_VER, you get either (edited for 
    wrapping):   G       #define _toupper(c)  (__isclocale? (__IS_LOWER(c) ? (c) & 0xDF: \        	    (c)): (toupper)(c))G       #define _tolower(c)  (__isclocale? (__IS_UPPER(c) ? (c) | 0x20: \        	    (c)): (tolower)(c))      or   I       #define _toupper(c) (((c) >= 'a' && (c) <= 'z') ? (c) & 0xDF : (c)) I       #define _tolower(c) (((c) >= 'A' && (c) <= 'Z') ? (c) | 0x20 : (c))   L    both of which appear to always do what you want if you stick to the 7 bit    ASCII range.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:28:13 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance B Message-ID: <1109884548.cf33704b9ae61ccc6e58246506e43273@teranews>   Tom Linden wrote: K > So I am just printing character 32 through 255 of the collating sequence. I > Now when I run this from a DECterm being directly attached (well thru a 	 > KVM) it  > displays following > FREJA> run asc  K You are still trying to print the escape/control codes between 128 and 160. < You need to outpout 32 to 126 (incl), and 160 to 255 (incl).  H There is nothing your application per say can or needs to do to "change"B character set. It just spews out raw bytes. On VMS, the sandard isH ISO-LATIN-1, so anyone connecting to the VMS machine should preconfigureE their terminal emulator to display incoming data as ISO-LATIN-1. This  covers most western languages.  E If you wanted to support Russian Cyrilic for instance, you'd want the D users to have the right cyrilic suport on their emulators, and you'dC edit your source file to change the text messages to be in russian,  using the same "alphabet".  E It no different from US users. You expect that when you send byte 65, F the user will see an uppercase A. But send this to an EBCDIC terminal,E and it won't appear as an A even though you're sending the same byte.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:28:14 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance ( Message-ID: <opsm24tcolzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:28:13 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote: D >> So I am just printing character 32 through 255 of the collating   >> sequence.J >> Now when I run this from a DECterm being directly attached (well thru a
 >> KVM) it >> displays following  >> FREJA> run asc  > J > You are still trying to print the escape/control codes between 128 and   > 160.> > You need to outpout 32 to 126 (incl), and 160 to 255 (incl).  L I turns out that it was code 160, non-breaking space, that was hanging the   DECterm    > J > There is nothing your application per say can or needs to do to "change"D > character set. It just spews out raw bytes. On VMS, the sandard isJ > ISO-LATIN-1, so anyone connecting to the VMS machine should preconfigureG > their terminal emulator to display incoming data as ISO-LATIN-1. This   > covers most western languages. > G > If you wanted to support Russian Cyrilic for instance, you'd want the F > users to have the right cyrilic suport on their emulators, and you'dE > edit your source file to change the text messages to be in russian,  > using the same "alphabet". > G > It no different from US users. You expect that when you send byte 65, H > the user will see an uppercase A. But send this to an EBCDIC terminal,G > and it won't appear as an A even though you're sending the same byte.        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:01:16 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>/ Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance 0 Message-ID: <MjPVd.970$Vy5.806@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1109871070.465355f7b3805b4f10391316a04b1f22@teranews... > J > However, because VMS is inherently an ISO-LATIN1 machine by default, youI > should set your terminal emulators to translate remote system data from I > latin1 to whatever that host uses. And make sure you use an 8 bit clean  path.  >   K Well...  I would say that VMS is 'inherently' DEC MCS (which is almost like G Latin-1) with later stuff usinf latin-1.  That str$ function to do case2 blind B compares (done all over inside VMS) is a MCS function for example.  E > You should be able to output a 255 (0xFF) to any terminal and see a   > lowercase y with an umlaut () >l  2 Maybe.  Depending on what character set is loaded.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:08:04 GMTi* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>/ Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performanceo0 Message-ID: <8qPVd.971$gz5.870@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message" news:opsm2rp8zvzgicya@hyrrokkin...F > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:57:39 GMT, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote: > K > So I am just printing character 32 through 255 of the collating sequence.eI > Now when I run this from a DECterm being directly attached (well thru a 	 > KVM) itn > displays following > FREJA> run asc >   # You are still missing the point eh?r  8 1) This is a TERMINAL EMULATION QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING.  G 2) The "control range" is not just < 32.  That is the C0 control range. F     Set bit 7 and the same range (0-31) are the C1 control range - andF     within *that* range there are controls that require termination byI     another specific control.  Like OSC ... ST  (operating system control A     and string terminator).  DECterm is a ANSI COMPLIANT EMULATORoI     and you are feeding it garbage.  Nothing is hung.  It is just waiting &     for you to terminate the sequence.  J 3) The characters in the 2nd half (0x80 + 32) to 0xFE are always availableL      by default in DECterm.  By default - I believe MCS.  But you can change&      the character set to ISO latin 1.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 11:59:16 -0800e$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: DECC floating point question C Message-ID: <1109879956.854907.125720@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>n   Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: damnihatethat@gmail.comf >nA > > I would really like the following code to produce the result:t > > temp = 63250 > >d > > but instead it produces: > > temp = 63249 >n3 > > Am I wrong to expect the result I am expecting?S >o > >   double odds2 = 2.30; >i? >    Well, we can all relax now.  This takes care of the annualh> > floating-point math problem posting in comp.os.vms for 2005. >-B >    A quick Google search for "floating-point math basics" found: >a/ >       http://www.petebecker.com/js200006.htmlt >t: > which seems to cover the usual material reasonably well. >e& >       [...]  From Knuth, once again: > ; >           [E]very well-rounded programmer ought to have ar; >           knowledge of what goes on during the elementaryi< >           steps of floating point arithmetic. This subject> >           is not at all as trivial as most people think, and: >           it involves a surprising amount of interesting >           information. >eC >    No doubt others can point to other sources.  Other geezers arep7 > welcome to join me in my annual bout of head-shaking.e    C A good book or two on numerical analysis would also be helpful. Not.@ only can such books help one avoid this type of error (and otherA types); they can also be helpful in producing much more efficientu algorithms.   C There is also the problem of ill-conditioned problems that are very E sensitive to rounding and truncation errors and the like. A poorly oraE naively written program can produce answers that are way, way off fors such problems.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 12:17:36 -0800E$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: DECC floating point question.C Message-ID: <1109881056.171555.177700@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: damnihatethat@gmail.com  > A > > I would really like the following code to produce the result:t > > temp = 63250 > >l > > but instead it produces: > > temp = 63249 >a3 > > Am I wrong to expect the result I am expecting?i >  > >   double odds2 = 2.30; >J? >    Well, we can all relax now.  This takes care of the annual > > floating-point math problem posting in comp.os.vms for 2005. >fB >    A quick Google search for "floating-point math basics" found: >i/ >       http://www.petebecker.com/js200006.html/ >/: > which seems to cover the usual material reasonably well. > & >       [...]  From Knuth, once again: > ; >           [E]very well-rounded programmer ought to have aB; >           knowledge of what goes on during the elementary0< >           steps of floating point arithmetic. This subject> >           is not at all as trivial as most people think, and: >           it involves a surprising amount of interesting >           information. > C >    No doubt others can point to other sources.  Other geezers ares7 > welcome to join me in my annual bout of head-shaking.h    C A good book or two on numerical analysis would also be helpful. Notv@ only can such books help one avoid this type of error (and otherA types); they can also be helpful in producing much more efficientt algorithms.e  C There is also the problem of ill-conditioned problems that are veryrE sensitive to rounding and truncation errors and the like. A poorly orSE naively written program can produce answers that are way, way off for  such problems.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 13:15:48 -0600 4 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt), Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <CkoWOd5QcKRy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1109813884.106281.90850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:$ > Dave Froble wrote: >> John Smith wrote: >> >F > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/business/worldbusiness/02bank.html >> > >> > March 2, 2005, >> > Fiorina Called Candidate for World Bank >> > By ELIZABETH BECKER >> >H >> > ASHINGTON, March 1 - Carleton S. Fiorina, who lost her job as chiefH >> > executive of Hewlett-Packard almost three weeks ago, has emerged as
 > a strongE >> > candidate to become president of the World Bank, according to anR
 > official inM >> > the Bush administration.( >>% >> There is no justice in this world.  >>% >> Long time employees are being cut.E >>F >> The idiot gets what, somewhere over $40 million, as she's fired for >> incomptence.R >>2 >> The laid off employee cannot find a decent job. >>9 >> The idiot is being considered for something like this.I >  > Yep. Pretty amazing. > D > And the same with Cappellas being recommended for new CEO of HP by
 > M.Lynch. > G > Let me see if I got it straight: The merger was frowned on in part as)H > an attempt for two drunks to hold each other up. Compaq employees wereH > begging to be saved by the merger as they saw their company going downF > the tubes. So Curly didn't do much good for Compaq and Carly for hp.D > Now both Curly and Carly are gone from hp. Yet Meryll Lynch favorsG > Cappellas for new CEO of hp? Huh? And (I don't know if this is right) H > wasn't Carly the one who brought Lucent's stock down to single digits?H > And they both get millions for all this? What does ML get out of Curly	 > as CEO?E > ; > I may well have some or all of this wrong -- corrections,LF > clarifications, de-obfuscations, etc., and answers to the questions, > welcome (except from BT! :-)  D Maybe ML has a huge short position on HP stock?  Then they'd reap a F bigtime payoff if HP goes down the dumper, which is what is would mostE certainly do if Curly replaced Carly.  Or maybe ML has a stake in the I bits and pieces that can be sold off, or reformed into new organizations.   F Why, oh, why didn't I get an MBA (or more appropriately Master of BS) D degree so that I can bull my way into a multi-million dollar payday D for being glaringly incompentent?  Guess my brian is just too highly developed, Vroomfondle.P   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 13:13:17 -0600E; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)N, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <gyftY$tq9seA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <tcFVd.891$I75.342@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes: > 7 > Carly vs. Hillary in '08 is not all that unthinkable.)  E    Either result is likely to be as bad as what we have now, just forA    different reasons.S   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 13:18:39 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <i70DWsAC7Ky5@eisner.encompasserve.org>D  f In article <KRHVd.914$165.579@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes: > I > It has been clear for some time that unless she screws up really badly,8I > Hillary will be the 2008 Democrat nominee for president.  i.e., NOT VP.-I > The Democrats were very deliberate -- if somewhat subtle! -- in LOOSING.F > the 2004 election so that there would NOT be a Democrat incumbent toH > block Hillary in 2008.  Unless the Repblicans pull of a small -- maybeH > not so small? -- miracle, Hillary will be our next president.  I'm notH > saying I like the idea, just that this is the way the wind is blowing.  D    There are far too many people in both parties who just don't likeD    Hillary.  I doubt that she will ever by elected President withoutE    changing all those minds with a good record as VP first.  What sheOH    might do is manage not to kill someone else's bid if she's hanging on	    as VP.F  F > As for Carly running for VP -- hard to imagine.  I'm not so sure sheH > has anything more that a remote chance at the presidential nomination,F > but if she gets it, she'll probably try to find a way to run without > a VP!  <grin>T  E    If she runs with McCain I might vote for her, but only because TheRD    State of Maryland has decided in It's Widsom that I cannot vote a    split ticket.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:44:28 GMTF3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)L, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle0 Message-ID: <MGKVd.943$Ll5.530@news.cpqcorp.net>  > In article <9tGdnRB5S4LcxbrfRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>, * Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  E >              ...  Some of us refused to vote for Kerry even with a RG >second Bush term as the possible outcome.  A lot more would refuse to 0F >vote for Hillary with even a somewhat less objectionable alternative.  + Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?0  I This thought give new meaning to terms such as "abstain" and "3rd party".2   -- IJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:17:48 -0500E( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle= Message-ID: <UqmdnVpnGcBg47rfRVn-tQ@metrocastcablevision.com>Z   Charlie Hammond wrote:@ > In article <9tGdnRB5S4LcxbrfRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>, , > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >  > E >>             ...  Some of us refused to vote for Kerry even with a PH >>second Bush term as the possible outcome.  A lot more would refuse to G >>vote for Hillary with even a somewhat less objectionable alternative.= >  > - > Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?B  I Nader, if he ran again:  that's who I voted for in November.  Otherwise,  3 a Dean write-in might send the appropriate message.a   > K > This thought give new meaning to terms such as "abstain" and "3rd party".:  F Too late:  the last election already did.  Cut Kerry down a bit above E the ankles and give him a fake Texas drawl, and it really would have  G been Tweedledee (Kerry) and Tweedledum (emphasis on the last syllable).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:58:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter PrincipleB Message-ID: <1109886372.720173ee472aab2c28644f263c290433@teranews>   Charlie Hammond wrote:- > Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?V  F What is interesting about this possibility (either as president or VP)F is that by pitting two females against each other, you force the issueG of sexual discrimination out. The most bigotted will still have to vote - for their prefered party and accept a female.m  E If only one of the parties has a female in VP or president, then thatMK female will have to combat the sexual discrimination from all the rednecks.a    F It also depends on what happens to public opinion until 2008. If thereH is a major upheaval against the republicans with calls for impeachement,E then the republican party will need to have a big spring cleaning and < bring in totally new and untainted blood not associated withE Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Ashcroft (and his replacement). And that isS where Carly comes in.w  D But if it is business as usual with the republican party, then CarlyC stands far fewer chances of getting to the top of the party because5* current repubblicans will move to the top.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 15:52:24 -0600B; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <rIqm$M8e5sTm@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  r In article <1109886372.720173ee472aab2c28644f263c290433@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Charlie Hammond wrote:. >> Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for? > H > What is interesting about this possibility (either as president or VP)H > is that by pitting two females against each other, you force the issueI > of sexual discrimination out. The most bigotted will still have to vote / > for their prefered party and accept a female.e  A    There are more than two parties, and no one is forced to vote.mD    In fact a lot of people don't vote somply because their choice is    always "none of the above".   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:22:53 -0500-' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle0 Message-ID: <112f318hh17t724@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:g > Charlie Hammond wrote: > - >>Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?  >  > H > What is interesting about this possibility (either as president or VP)H > is that by pitting two females against each other, you force the issueI > of sexual discrimination out. The most bigotted will still have to voteE/ > for their prefered party and accept a female.   A Not so, each gets zero votes, I write in myself, become the next  H president, Bill Todd tries to assassinate me, but I'm pre-warned, a new D law gets passed that computer systems must be as secure as VMS, all 2 federal systems must be VMS, running on VAX, .....   Air Force One will be an F-15.  4 I get to personnally be involved in military action.  A (Now there's one that may have given dubya some misgivings.)  :-)d  8 Has this gotten weird enough to drop this stupid thread?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:20:05 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle, Message-ID: <r_udnRKUeI06BrrfRVn-oQ@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:S >> Charlie Hammond wrote:b >>/ >>> Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?p >> >>E >> What is interesting about this possibility (either as president oroG >> VP) is that by pitting two females against each other, you force theaC >> issue of sexual discrimination out. The most bigotted will stillt= >> have to vote for their prefered party and accept a female.e > B > Not so, each gets zero votes, I write in myself, become the nextE > president, Bill Todd tries to assassinate me, but I'm pre-warned, a E > new law gets passed that computer systems must be as secure as VMS,l8 > all federal systems must be VMS, running on VAX, ..... >-  > Air Force One will be an F-15. >M6 > I get to personnally be involved in military action. >CC > (Now there's one that may have given dubya some misgivings.)  :-). >t: > Has this gotten weird enough to drop this stupid thread?   Nope.f  ? Once you're elected, the new Navy action film will be "TOPS-20"|   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 01:03:07 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle, Message-ID: <38pqebF5qah9qU4@individual.net>  > In article <kLmVd.15605$hU7.13713@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,( 	"John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:1 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message n( > news:47Sdnb7wLpaYXbjfRVn-iw@igs.net...G >> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/business/worldbusiness/02bank.htmlf >> >> March 2, 2005* >> Fiorina Called Candidate for World Bank >> By ELIZABETH BECKER >>F >> ASHINGTON, March 1 - Carleton S. Fiorina, who lost her job as chiefI >> executive of Hewlett-Packard almost three weeks ago, has emerged as a  	 >> strong M >> candidate to become president of the World Bank, according to an official   >> in  >> the Bush administration.  > F > The World Bank uses OpenVMS.  Wouldn't it be ironic if Carly starts ' > demanding better handling of OpenVMS!l  eC The more likely scenario would be her demanding that it immediatelye migrate to Windows.i   bill  t   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:36:25 GMTe+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)|, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <JlTVd.30991$SQ4.4886@fe1.texas.rr.com>4  4 Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com) wrote:@ : In article <9tGdnRB5S4LcxbrfRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>, , : Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: : G : >              ...  Some of us refused to vote for Kerry even with a iI : >second Bush term as the possible outcome.  A lot more would refuse to lH : >vote for Hillary with even a somewhat less objectionable alternative. : - : Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?e :   H Tough call since both women are loyal to India, Inc. instead of the U.S.  K : This thought give new meaning to terms such as "abstain" and "3rd party".r :     C Hillary is a member of the "Friends of India" caucus in the Senate:e  E    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?msid=593175a8    Senators form 'Friends of India' - The Times of India    E Hillary supports offshoring and non-immigrant work visas (H-1B, L-1):c  8    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html    Hillary Clinton woos Indian     "Hillary Clinton woos Indiac    By Siddharth Srivastava  	    [snip]   !    Hillary clears outsourcing air4  I    Hillary Clinton made it apparent where she stood on outsourcing duringtH    her India visit, in an attempt perhaps to clear the Indian misgivingsD    received during the Kerry campaign. "There is no way to legislateG    against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she told an audience of1H    Indian big-wigs. She pointed out that there were 3 billion people whoI    feel left behind and are trying to attack the modern world in the hopepH    of turning the clock back on globalization. "It is not far-fetched toH    imagine ... if the Indian miracle would be the one of choice of those'    who feel left behind," said Hillary.-  @    Hillary has been at the forefront in defending free trade andI    outsourcing. During the height of the anti-outsourcing backlash in the A    US last year, she faced considerable flak for defending IndianfI    software giant Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) for opening a center in+H    Buffalo, New York. "We are not against all outsourcing; we are not inG    favor of putting up fences," Hillary said firmly, despite inevitably+3    invoking the ire of the anti-free trade brigade.r  I    Hillary further clarified her position during her recent visit as wellsE    as solutions that could be beneficial to both countries. She urged*?    Indian industries to invest more in the US to allay negativecH    outpourings over outsourcing of American jobs to India. "I have to be?    frank. People in my country are losing their jobs and the USm9    policymakers need to address this issue," she said..."s  J Sure, tell unemployed people to retrain for another career to be offshoredI or turned over to non-immigrant work visa holders because of a "shortage"r of trained Americans.i   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emails   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 13:30:47 -0600f; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: get a VAX3 Message-ID: <k8xR9b0YNelr@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  c In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, damnihatethat@gmail.com writes:  > #include <stdio.h> >  > main() > {G >  >   double odds1 = 2.75; >   double odds2 = 2.30; >   double result; >   unsigned int temp; >  >   result = odds1 * odds2; - >   temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);   >   printf("temp = %d\n", temp); >  > }1  E    Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D float 3    produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha). T  H    So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if you 1    don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:44:52 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: get a VAX( Message-ID: <opsm2ug2sxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  + On 3 Mar 2005 13:30:47 -0600, Bob Koehler  t0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  G > In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,   ! > damnihatethat@gmail.com writes:i >> #include <stdio.h>. >>	 >> main()r >> { >> >>   double odds1 = 2.75;g >>   double odds2 = 2.30;r >>   double result;B >>   unsigned int temp;B >> >>   result = odds1 * odds2;. >>   temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);! >>   printf("temp = %d\n", temp);= >> >> } >sG >    Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D floato4 >    produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha). > I >    So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if you 3 >    don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float.B >   K Well that on solves it for those numbers.  The problem remains that there  ; is4 not a one-to-one mapping between the two data types.  9 If you have the right data type there is no problem, e.g.s   FREJA> creat fd.plin t: proc options(main);- dcl (x,y,r) fixed dec(9,2); /* for example */B	 x = 2.75;n y=2.3; r = x*y*10000; put skip list(r);s end t; *EXIT*
 FREJA> pli fdb FREJA> link fd
 FREJA> run fd   
      63250.00;  * square pegs and round holes comes to mind.     -- nC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/;   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:59:35 GMTp  From: John Santos <john@egh.com> Subject: Re: get a VAX+ Message-ID: <XUKVd.53455$uc.36518@trnddc08>n   Bob Koehler wrote:e > In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, damnihatethat@gmail.com writes:; >  >>#include <stdio.h> >> >>main() >>{s >> >>  double odds1 = 2.75; >>  double odds2 = 2.30; >>  double result; >>  unsigned int temp; >> >>  result = odds1 * odds2;*- >>  temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);*  >>  printf("temp = %d\n", temp); >> >>}m >  > G >    Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D floati5 >    produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha). m > J >    So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if you 3 >    don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float.h  C Does Spark also use IEEE?  I get the same result on a Sparc Ultra-5iD (and also on a DEC Unix AlphaStation 200 4/100 and on a PowerBook G4 w/Mac OS X 10.3.8...)a   -- r John Santoso Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 15:54:54 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: get a VAX3 Message-ID: <rueB5rxEG2J+@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  N In article <XUKVd.53455$uc.36518@trnddc08>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:  E > Does Spark also use IEEE?  I get the same result on a Sparc Ultra-5mF > (and also on a DEC Unix AlphaStation 200 4/100 and on a PowerBook G4 > w/Mac OS X 10.3.8...)*  #    All of the above are using IEEE.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:47:48 -0600-2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?j+ Message-ID: <4227CC54.E71A2F2C@comcast.net>o   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > [snip]F > As an additional fyi, while I know some folks have had issues in theI > past with CA, they do seem to be wanting to change their image and from/D > an OpenVMS specific perspective, they have been attending numerousG > recent OpenVMS events (including Ambassador meetings) promoting theirs > OpenVMS offerings. > D > It might not hurt to investigate what their current pricing is for7 > products like their performance products for OpenVMS..  H Well, actually, I tried - it did hurt. CA will not deliver pricing untilF they've had a chance to see how much they can try to screw you out of.   -- - David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/r   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:50:52 -0600Y2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?.+ Message-ID: <4227CD0C.A375CCC4@comcast.net>t   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:e > K > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote on 03/01/2005 08:40:08r > PM:e >  > > Beach Runner wrote:- > > >- > > > David J Dachtera wrote:5 > > >4 > > > > Thomas Wirt wrote: > > > >.H > > > >>I am preparing to install T4 on my AS 4100's (VMS 7.3-1) and wasE > > > >>wondering what experiences anyone else had had.  Does it worktF > > > >>seamlessly?  Any crashes or performance hits?  Is it as useful > > as it looks? > > > >. > > > >rJ > > > > Trouble with T4 is, its a collector - ONLY. The truly useful bit - > thenL > > > > reporting and analysis pieces - remain MIA (ever since the demise of > > > > PSPA and SPM). > > > >n > > >>J > > > No engineering and Colorado Support have tools they can use with theH > > > data.  Chances are if you have a problem you'll get them involved. > >n@ > > Well, my problem is management asking for ad-hoc performanceG > > reports/analysis on zero notice, not to mention wanting to see themnJ > > regularly. (I.e., they expect to output like we used to give them fromE > > SPM and/or PSPA regularly and on-demand). Can they help me there?  > I > Have you considered PAWZ from http://www.perfcap.com who did ECP before * > they were exiled to the wilds of Nashua.  E I looked at that URL and chanced upon mention of a PSPA$READ image. I H was intrigued. Last I saw of PAWZ, it was WhineBloze GUI only and sorely lacking.  E Is anyone using PAWZ's VMS-side reporting capability to emulate SPM'sw% and/or PSPA's ASCII histogram output?i  G (Hint: Notice that I keep repeating "ASCII histogram". That's your clue, as to what I'm looking for.)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:t" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/r   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:18:39 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Logfile namet/ Message-ID: <BE4CF76F.8180%roktsci@comcast.net>    On 2/25/05 11:11 AM, in article < 1109358709.937725.240860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:l   > Ken Fairfield wrote:
 >> AEF wrote:  >>> David Gray wrote:) >>>  >>>> Hi all, >>>> rD >>>> From within a batch job how do I find out what the value of the > /LOG" >>>> qualifier was at submit time? >>>>  	 >>>> e.g.' >>>>  A >>>> $ submit/log=gen_logs:a_log_file_with_a_long_name.log  X.COM' >>>>  G >>>> When X.COM is running I want to put the value specifed on the /LOG  >>>> into a symbol.  >>>> 7 >>>> $ show symbol LogFile= >>>>     LogFile = "gen_logs:a_log_file_with_a_long_name.log"  >>>>  B >>>> I was fairly sure I could do this with a lexical function but > cannot >>>> find/remember which one.  >>>> 4 >>>> Cheersa
 >>>> Dave. >>>  >>>  >>> 
 >>> Try this:n >>>  >>> $    SET VERIFYi >>> $    LOG_FILE =r9 > F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB")  >>> $    SHOW SYMBOL LOG_FILEt >> d >>      That _almost_ works... >  > B > Well, it actually works fine for what he asked. He asked for theE > argument of the LOG qualifier, not the log file-spec. OK, it adds aiC > .LOG if something was specified for /LOG without a file type, but  > ! > otherwise it does what he asks.r > $ > OK, I guess that's nitpicking. :-] >  > B >>      If there was no /LOG qualifier on the SUBMIT, the LOG_FILEA >> symbol above returns "".  If the /LOG specified a logical nameaF >> only, e.g. SYS$SCRATCH:, LOG_FILE comes back with SYS$SCRATCH:.LOG;- >> ...only with SYS$SCRATCH fully translated.w My $0.02  I This code will handle situations where the submit command did not specifyu /LOG= but did specify /NAME=  > $LOG = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB") $IF (LOG .EQS. "") THEN -YI $ LOG="SYS$LOGIN:"+F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","JOB_NAME",,"THIS_JOB")+ ".LOG"u $THIS_LOG = F$SEARCH (LOG)     >> nD >>      This is an old problem that is difficult to get right in allG >> cases.  Without actually testing, I think you'd need some additional . >> processing long the lines of the following: >> D= >> $ THIS_FILE = F$Parse(F$Environment("PROCEDURE"),,,"NAME")yD >> $ LOG_FULL  = F$Parse(LOG_FILE,"''THIS_FILE'.LOG;","SYS$SCRATCH") >> aF >> where I've specified SYS$SCRATCH because that defaults to SYS$LOGIN; >> and is the default location for writing log files, IIRC.. >  >  > It's SYS$LOGIN.o >  > So if you want the filespec: >  > Change your LOG_FULL tos > ; > $ LOG_FULL = F$PARSE(LOG_FILE,"SYS$LOGIN:.LOG",THIS_FILE)t >  > D > Now, if you get really picky, what if you have multiple batch jobsI > running concurrently with the same (version-number-less) log file spec?eI > Then it becomes non-trivial getting the correct version number for eachsH > job. You'd either have to scan the output of SHOW DEVICES/FILES or useC > a cool macro that someone posted once just for this very purpose.A >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 17:54:33 -0800i$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Logfile name C Message-ID: <1109901272.984322.253600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>s   Jeff Cameron wrote:c! > On 2/25/05 11:11 AM, in article > > 1109358709.937725.240860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "AEF"! > <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:m >a > > Ken Fairfield wrote: > >> AEF wrote:l > >>> David Gray wrote:f > >>>r > >>>> Hi all, > >>>>F > >>>> From within a batch job how do I find out what the value of the > > /LOG$ > >>>> qualifier was at submit time? > >>>> > >>>> e.g.o > >>>>C > >>>> $ submit/log=gen_logs:a_log_file_with_a_long_name.log  X.COM- > >>>>D > >>>> When X.COM is running I want to put the value specifed on the /LOG > >>>> into a symbol.  > >>>> > >>>> $ show symbol LogFile? > >>>>     LogFile = "gen_logs:a_log_file_with_a_long_name.log"s > >>>>D > >>>> I was fairly sure I could do this with a lexical function but
 > > cannot > >>>> find/remember which one.. > >>>>
 > >>>> Cheers6 > >>>> Dave. > >>>  > >>>o > >>>b > >>> Try this:e > >>>a > >>> $    SET VERIFY  > >>> $    LOG_FILE =s; > > F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB")o > >>> $    SHOW SYMBOL LOG_FILEt > >>  > >>      That _almost_ works... > >  > > D > > Well, it actually works fine for what he asked. He asked for theG > > argument of the LOG qualifier, not the log file-spec. OK, it adds aiE > > .LOG if something was specified for /LOG without a file type, butn > > # > > otherwise it does what he asks.t > >p& > > OK, I guess that's nitpicking. :-] > >  > >cD > >>      If there was no /LOG qualifier on the SUBMIT, the LOG_FILEC > >> symbol above returns "".  If the /LOG specified a logical name06 > >> only, e.g. SYS$SCRATCH:, LOG_FILE comes back with SYS$SCRATCH:.LOG;D/ > >> ...only with SYS$SCRATCH fully translated.8
 > My $0.02 >0C > This code will handle situations where the submit command did not  specify2 > /LOG= but did specify /NAME= > @ > $LOG = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB") > $IF (LOG .EQS. "") THEN -nD > $ LOG="SYS$LOGIN:"+F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","JOB_NAME",,"THIS_JOB")+ ".LOG" > $THIS_LOG = F$SEARCH (LOG)    C You are correct. The need for the job name was mentioned in anothercB post in this same thread, which I have acknowledged in yet anotherG post. However, if you have a space in the job name, your code may fail.tA 'Tis better to put the pieces together with the F$PARSE function.r  G Assuming that /NOLOG was not specified, and you can check for that withrC an appropriate F$GETQUI statement (see other posts in this thread),   4 LOG_FS = F$PARSE(LOG_FILE,JOB_NAME,"SYS$LOGIN:.LOG")  A where LOG_FILE and JOB_NAME are derived from appropriate F$GETQUI E statements. F$PARSE will remove spaces from the job name, just as the  queueing system will.q     >  >) > >>F > >>      This is an old problem that is difficult to get right in all> > >> cases.  Without actually testing, I think you'd need some
 additional0 > >> processing long the lines of the following: > >>? > >> $ THIS_FILE = F$Parse(F$Environment("PROCEDURE"),,,"NAME")sF > >> $ LOG_FULL  = F$Parse(LOG_FILE,"''THIS_FILE'.LOG;","SYS$SCRATCH") > >>> > >> where I've specified SYS$SCRATCH because that defaults to	 SYS$LOGINw= > >> and is the default location for writing log files, IIRC.e > >l > >h > > It's SYS$LOGIN.r > >   > > So if you want the filespec: > >  > > Change your LOG_FULL to  > >p= > > $ LOG_FULL = F$PARSE(LOG_FILE,"SYS$LOGIN:.LOG",THIS_FILE)g > >o > > F > > Now, if you get really picky, what if you have multiple batch jobsE > > running concurrently with the same (version-number-less) log filev spec?2F > > Then it becomes non-trivial getting the correct version number for eachF > > job. You'd either have to scan the output of SHOW DEVICES/FILES or usevE > > a cool macro that someone posted once just for this very purpose.o > >g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:39:37 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Logfile namef+ Message-ID: <4227CA69.46801292@comcast.net>    Mike Rechtman wrote: >  > David Gray wrote:n > >d > > Hi all,  > >vH > > From within a batch job how do I find out what the value of the /LOG! > > qualifier was at submit time?e > >r > > e.g. > >zB > > $ submit/log=gen_logs:a_log_file_with_a_long_name.log    X.COM > > F > > When X.COM is running I want to put the value specifed on the /LOG > > into a symbol. > >a > > $ show symbol LogFiled= > >      LogFile = "gen_logs:a_log_file_with_a_long_name.log"  > >iH > > I was fairly sure I could do this with a lexical function but cannot > > find/remember which one. > >d
 > > Cheers > >         Dave.h >  > Do you mean: > E > $ LogFile = f$getqui("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB")u  C He's looking for the specific version associated with the currently7B running process (may be more than one simultaneously). The lexical# returns only "ddcu:[dir]name.LOG;".    -- 1 David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:." http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/s   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 14:26:59 -0800 3 From: "sanjeev  iyengar" <sanjeeviyengar@gmail.com>r5 Subject: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJiB Message-ID: <1109888819.551242.46650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  , Broadcast Date March 3, 2005 Open for 2 Week   Location: NJ NO RESTRICTIONS  RIGHT TO HIRE 6 MONTHS Skills::B Designs and codes from specifications, analyzes, evaluates, tests,= debugs, documents, and implements moderately complex software ; applications using VAX C. Prepares detailed specifications. 3 =B7         VAX/VMS experience using C/RDB requirednC =B7         Candidate must have strong C and strong VAX/VMS skills.  =B7         Oracle RDB    0 STANDARD INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING THE RESUMES  8 Only candidates authorized to work in the United States.  5 Competitive rate W2/1099/C2C Open for sub-contractingl    Send resume to SANJEEV@LEKHA.COM  0 Mention your contact details in resume and email            @ You are allowed to provide the consultants from your sub vendor.A However, you should have a good hold with consultant and your sublD vendor - Please make sure they do not approach us directly after youG put the efforts. Submit only the exact matching the resumes and discusseG with the consultants on the requirement before sending the resumes.  WeaA can not call everyone, just to discuss the requirement.  As a suboF Vendor, you need to do this to save our time. Resumes will be accepted@ on FIRST Cum FIRST Basis. Provide the best match along with rateB confirmation, contact details to save both our time. I do not send email asking for these details.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:36:08 GMT/" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ 0 Message-ID: <00A4039F.F2A87859@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <1109888819.551242.46650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "sanjeev  iyengar" <sanjeeviyengar@gmail.com> writes:- >Broadcast Date March 3, 2005 Open for 2 Week  >o
 >Location: NJ  >NO RESTRICTIONS >RIGHT TO HIRE 6 MONTHSl >Skills:C >Designs and codes from specifications, analyzes, evaluates, tests, > >debugs, documents, and implements moderately complex software< >applications using VAX C. Prepares detailed specifications.4 >=B7         VAX/VMS experience using C/RDB requiredD >=B7         Candidate must have strong C and strong VAX/VMS skills. >=B7         Oracle RDBt >m >n1 >STANDARD INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING THE RESUMESn > 9 >Only candidates authorized to work in the United States.  >s6 >Competitive rate W2/1099/C2C Open for sub-contracting >t! >Send resume to SANJEEV@LEKHA.COMu >C1 >Mention your contact details in resume and emailm >e >s >e >a >h > A >You are allowed to provide the consultants from your sub vendor.oB >However, you should have a good hold with consultant and your subE >vendor - Please make sure they do not approach us directly after younH >put the efforts. Submit only the exact matching the resumes and discussH >with the consultants on the requirement before sending the resumes.  WeB >can not call everyone, just to discuss the requirement.  As a subG >Vendor, you need to do this to save our time. Resumes will be acceptedeA >on FIRST Cum FIRST Basis. Provide the best match along with rate            ^^^---???   E I wonder how many on the info-VAX mailing list won't get this postinge= because a filter rejects this message as a pornographic SPAM.     @ This is the kind of posting that should go in VMSnet.Employment.     Where in NJ?   -- rK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            l5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 15:39:18 -0800e From: bob@instantwhip.comh9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ-C Message-ID: <1109893158.415263.172130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>n   why not DIBOL/oracle? :)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:24:28 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJp2 Message-ID: <3tidnWXcvtchN7rfRVn-ow@mpowercom.net>  ' <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  = news:1109893158.415263.172130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...s > why not DIBOL/oracle? :) > I Hey, where do I sign up?!  I did an app with Dibol and Oracle 7 on a VAX  I 3400.  I even know about the gotcha library conflict with the Dibol time aI routine.  Fortunately the app never went into production because the RMS gK version was so much faster and easier to use.  The irony was, the client's pK IT policy was to have all vendor software supplied with an Oracle version, lL but nothing in the policy said anyone actually had to use it.  When the RMS I version's uptime (measured in years) exceeded the uptime of every single sG Oracle app they had installed (unit of measure was weeks), no one ever O brought up the issue again.    Jack Peacock n   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 18:08:52 -0800l$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJhC Message-ID: <1109902132.469984.165430@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>e   VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:eD > In article <1109888819.551242.46650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,5 "sanjeev  iyengar" <sanjeeviyengar@gmail.com> writes:f/ > >Broadcast Date March 3, 2005 Open for 2 Weekl [...]nD > >can not call everyone, just to discuss the requirement.  As a sub@ > >Vendor, you need to do this to save our time. Resumes will be acceptedC > >on FIRST Cum FIRST Basis. Provide the best match along with rate  >           ^^^---???f > G > I wonder how many on the info-VAX mailing list won't get this postingg? > because a filter rejects this message as a pornographic SPAM.d >d [...]t  F And how many will miss this because they read it on Google Groups? TheF address is incomplete on Google. To get the address to show on Google,D a poster has to munge it so that Google won't!!! I like the irony in9 that: hide something in plain sight to ensure visibility!   > OK, a sufficiently motivated applicant would hunt down another# newsreader or look for other clues.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:15:54 -0500R' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>m/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulsonr0 Message-ID: <112eo2m68g61q66@corp.supernews.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:+ > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >  >  >>icerq4a@spray.se wrote:a >  > E >>>What I try to say is that the main reasons for large L3 caches aret8 >>>to alleviate for a less powerful system architecture. >  >  >>I must confess to curosity.  >  > C >>In the above you're admitting that you think the itanic isn't the- >>best of designs. >  > G > That is putting it very mildly. Ignoring the total lack of deliveringc@ > near on time or performance, the itanic digs swamp appon hole.  8 The poster I was addressing wasn't admitting to so much.  G > It *requires* a fundamental breakthrough in compiler theory, and thenoF > real compilers to implement it. This has not happened, and no one is > supprised. > H > Speculative execution adds even more pressure to the memory system andF > blows out latency. Bandwidth can be fixed with enough $$, latency is
 > forever! > B > It requires the compiler to schedule the code stream to get goodH > performance, but this will change in very many cases with the DATA you > process...  H It's basically a really DUMB CPU.  I know, all CPUs are dumb, but fast, F and it's the code that provides the smarts, but, in recent years some G intellegence with respect to handling the code has found it's way into  
 most CPUs.  E > The amount of data in a context switch is humungous, and thus slow.e >  > F >>Another post claimed that when HP's technical people saw the successB >>of DEC and IBM with out-of-order designs they advised management> >>that EPIC should be dropped, and that sticking with it was a' >>management, not a technical decision.1 >  > 3 > That is what the scuttle-butt just post EV6 said.i  < Yes, it was you post concerning such that I was refering to.  C Some people cannot admit to being wrong.  Upper management and the VI associated egos seem to have more of that than most people.  but when it  1 comes to technical things, ego doesn't mean much.l  1 >>How many applications run pretty much in cache?c >  >  > Quite a few, but not RDBs..r  @ I wouldn't go that far.  A system with 1000 users, each running E something different, doesn't allow any application to stay in cache,  3 even the rather large ones Intel is coming up with.   F The idiots are so intent on doing good on meaningless benchmarks that @ they've gone beyond tweeking compilers, now they've tweeked the G hardware.  At least that's what the large amounts of cache seems to be iD since other CPUs (Power, EV7) seem to do well without 9 MB of cache.  < >>How many users tweek and optimize the compilation of their >>applications?n >  >  > 2, maybe.t  F For a dedicated use computer running a special application, I can see @ doing such.  I really cannot see it happening in any other case.  1 >>How many users buy computers to run benchmarks?e >  > A >>Itanic is a rather poor design that due to state of the art CPUTE >>manufacturing will allow most people to run their applications withd6 >>acceptable performance, in spite of the poor design. >  > G > Intels designers have done a huge job keeping the power in check, but  > pearls before swine. >  > D >>So my question is, just what is it about this CPU design that gets# >>people to advocate and defend it?t >  > G > Billions of dollars. And a non-stop stream of crap about how fast andi > wonderfull it will be. > H > The itanic seems to have also invented a new, original hole. It is notF > only latency, bandwidth and thermally limited, it is design limited.F > Other than moderate re-shuffles of the core, and adding huge amountsF > of cache the RTL design has gone almost nowhere since it crawled out > of the dark. > G > The sooner it is killed of for good, the better off everyone will be.:* > Including, or possibly, espicialy intel.   Hope you're a good prophet.w  B > Its only plus is commercial; it has killed off at least 3 rivalsE > without even shipping a single chip. Not even Big BLue at it finest  > managed that sort of coup.  I That's just lack of resolve and belief in one's own product that you get eE when beancounters and such become more than beancounters and have no l* idea what it is that they should be doing.  G It happens all the time, a CEO surrounds himself with non-command type c> people to take care of all the secondary issues in running an > organization.  Then when the CEO is gone, those looking for a I replacement unfortunately look at those who were close to the CEO.  Fine ,F if it was a COO, but the beancounters should never be considered.  If D they knew the requirements, they wouldn't be primarily beancounters.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 21:18:02 -0800  From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson C Message-ID: <1109913482.373678.282720@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>o   Jack Peacock wrote:c9 > "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in messageF) > news:d07lqt$2fu7$1@news.cybercity.dk...eF > > Which reminds me - is that emulation core (or whatever its correct name > > was)F > > still taking space on the die, or has it actually been removed?  I neverbA > > seem to hear *anything* about IA64 - 8086 emulation any more.o > >u > It's dead, Jim.u >TC > Now that MS is moving to 64-bit systems the emulation, slow as ity was, ispF > all but useless.  Intel is better off pulling it out of the core.  I don't < > think it's even compatible with the current full 32-bit P4 instruction set.- > It might be competitive with Cyrix CPUs....b >   Jack Peacock  F It is Pentium 3 compatible, and yes it is much better out of the core.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 21:28:32 -0800i From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsongC Message-ID: <1109914112.227344.224200@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>d   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:+ > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:T >- > > icerq4a@spray.se wrote:s >sG > It *requires* a fundamental breakthrough in compiler theory, and then F > real compilers to implement it. This has not happened, and no one is > supprised.  @ No one is surprised but nevetheless it is doing pretty well now.  D > Speculative execution adds even more pressure to the memory system andeF > blows out latency. Bandwidth can be fixed with enough $$, latency is
 > forever!  < Are you impying here that out-of-order execution does not doG speculative execution? Out-of-order does pressure the memory system and>: on top of that make the instruction fetch units pressured.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 21:35:41 -0800o From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsonmB Message-ID: <1109914541.576986.29070@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:48:37 UTC, icerq4a@spray.se wrote: >l > > Roger Ivie wrote:o? > > > On 2005-03-02, icerq4a@spray.se <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:  > > > >S > > > > Dave Froble wrote:C > > > >> In 2001 when Compaq killed Alpha, the main reason was thati IA-64l
 > > WAS toA > > > >> be an inexpensive product usable from the desktop to thee > > enterprise.. > > > >e > > > > Not desktop, > > >o > > >sB http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.arch/msg/6fbf60d0494a5264 > > ? > > I was specifically referring to the year 2001 announcement.- > G > Which was accompanied by claims about Industry Standard hardware and,M  C > at least implicit, claims about desktop to server. To a degree, IJC > presume it was a controbutor to Fred's belief that there would betA > IA-64 workstations for VMS. Workstation in the normal, industryoD > standard? use of the word, not small Itanic machines with a decent > graphics card.  E As far as I know the announcement was that Compaq would move all it'shE 64-bit enterprise server systems at the time, Alpha and MIPS to IA64.o1 Anything else is speculation, but I may be wrong.l  E The people involved obviously knew that there would be x86-64 systemsg released within a few years.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2005 22:01:15 -0800n From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsonmC Message-ID: <1109914884.850195.122030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>e  > OK, I had vague memories about Prescott sizes, I was under theG impression that it duplicated some parts of the core and that it wasn'tfD as nice 32 to 64 bit transition as other CPUs. I still don't believe+ they implemented it and would never use it.H   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:50:03 -0800t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>aE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? ( Message-ID: <opsm2rxp1mzgicya@hyrrokkin>  B On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:38:07 -0500, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:   >e >u >g >e >r >cG > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to  i > reply)" > wrote on 03/02/2005 05:09:10 PM: > 9 >> In article <38lkqfF5os0vvU1@individual.net>, Roy Omondw( >> <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes: >>K >> > Sorry to harp on about this, but since it's coming from an HP address,oI >> > I'd just like to add the comment that using a *local* quorum disk as D >> > suggested is not only unnecessary, but actually *increases* the' >> > probability of losing the cluster.  >> >1 >> > Node A (1 vote) + local quorum disk (1 vote)h >> > Node B (1 vote) >> > >> > Node B goes down ...y >> >F >> > Now you have introduced an unnecessary probability of the cluster> >> > being lost, equal to the probability of the quorum disk   >> "disappearing". >>H >> In the situation above, if the quorum disk disappears, then there areI >> still 2 out of 3 votes there, so the cluster will survive.  The reasoneG >> this is pointless, though, is since if node A goes down, so does therK >> disk, so the above is equivalent to giving node A two votes and node B 1i >> vote. >>J >> With a two-node cluster without a "proper" quorum disk (which is reallyJ >> a three-node cluster with the disk taking the place of the third node),I >> there is NO WAY to have a real cluster, whether or not a "local quorumdJ >> disk" is used and however the votes are distributed.  Either you have aK >> 50-50 situation: cluster freezes if either node goes down, or you have akK >> master-slave situation, where one node must ALWAYS be up for the clusterl: >> to be up and it doesn't matter what the other one does. >> >-H >> I really fail to see why people these days even bother with less thanH >> optimal solutions.  Just get a cheap VAX and use it as a quorum node; >> problem solved. >> >i= > ..but no VAX can be in a supported cluster with an Itanium!0 >4F Maybe Phillip was making the assumption that Itanium wasn't necessary.       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/2   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:51:47 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? Q Message-ID: <OFB722AD03.EBF04468-ON85256FB9.00722BEE-85256FB9.0072DD96@metso.com>e  > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote on 03/03/2005 01:50:03 PM:  D > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:38:07 -0500, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote: >c > >a > >i > >X > >o > >  > >-G > > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES tom
 > > reply)$ > > wrote on 03/02/2005 05:09:10 PM: > >X; > >> In article <38lkqfF5os0vvU1@individual.net>, Roy Omond3* > >> <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes: > >>D > >> > Sorry to harp on about this, but since it's coming from an HP address,K > >> > I'd just like to add the comment that using a *local* quorum disk asdF > >> > suggested is not only unnecessary, but actually *increases* the) > >> > probability of losing the cluster.  > >> >3 > >> > Node A (1 vote) + local quorum disk (1 vote)t > >> > Node B (1 vote) > >> > > >> > Node B goes down ...  > >> >H > >> > Now you have introduced an unnecessary probability of the cluster> > >> > being lost, equal to the probability of the quorum disk > >> "disappearing". > >>J > >> In the situation above, if the quorum disk disappears, then there areK > >> still 2 out of 3 votes there, so the cluster will survive.  The reasonoI > >> this is pointless, though, is since if node A goes down, so does thegK > >> disk, so the above is equivalent to giving node A two votes and node Br 1e
 > >> vote. > >>E > >> With a two-node cluster without a "proper" quorum disk (which isf reallyE > >> a three-node cluster with the disk taking the place of the third  node),K > >> there is NO WAY to have a real cluster, whether or not a "local quorumgJ > >> disk" is used and however the votes are distributed.  Either you have acK > >> 50-50 situation: cluster freezes if either node goes down, or you haveh a0E > >> master-slave situation, where one node must ALWAYS be up for the: clusterX< > >> to be up and it doesn't matter what the other one does. > >> > >nJ > >> I really fail to see why people these days even bother with less thanJ > >> optimal solutions.  Just get a cheap VAX and use it as a quorum node; > >> problem solved. > >> > >e? > > ..but no VAX can be in a supported cluster with an Itanium!> > >uH > Maybe Phillip was making the assumption that Itanium wasn't necessary. >n >"H Now, now, no sense getting testy.  I was responding to the general case.D Mayby Phillip was making the assumption that Alpha wasn't necessary,E but the discussion was about 2-node clusters and quorum, not platformaH assumptions, so "Just get a cheap VAX" seemed (and still seems) to me to be presumptuous.  B I happen to have a 2-Alpha, 1-Vax cluster right now, and I want to	 deinstallaJ the VAX, so I am struggling with just this quorum issue.  It is a bit of a5 waste to dedicate a 72GB disk to quorum, for example.    >6 > --E > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:42:26 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? $ Message-ID: <d080c2$2sd$1@online.de>  N In article <opsm2rxp1mzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:J > >> I really fail to see why people these days even bother with less thanJ > >> optimal solutions.  Just get a cheap VAX and use it as a quorum node; > >> problem solved. > >> > >a? > > ..but no VAX can be in a supported cluster with an Itanium!  > >pH > Maybe Phillip was making the assumption that Itanium wasn't necessary.  E Actually, if you can afford Itanium today, I'm sure you can afford a d cheap Alpha.   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?f$ Message-ID: <d080fg$2sd$2@online.de>  
 In articleF <OFB722AD03.EBF04468-ON85256FB9.00722BEE-85256FB9.0072DD96@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: y  D > I happen to have a 2-Alpha, 1-Vax cluster right now, and I want to > deinstalleL > the VAX, so I am struggling with just this quorum issue.  It is a bit of a7 > waste to dedicate a 72GB disk to quorum, for example.H  D Why?  If you are running a hobbyist system, a small VAX uses little G power, the operating system is stable, so just weld it shut and let it iG run for years.  If you are in a commercial situation, then I think you s% would want at least a 3-node cluster.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:09:00 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?pQ Message-ID: <OF4763D224.443C3A9C-ON85256FB9.00798CB8-85256FB9.0079EF81@metso.com>w  J helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  wrote on 03/03/2005 04:44:16 PM:   > In articleH > <OFB722AD03.EBF04468-ON85256FB9.00722BEE-85256FB9.0072DD96@metso.com>,  > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > F > > I happen to have a 2-Alpha, 1-Vax cluster right now, and I want to
 > > deinstallnI > > the VAX, so I am struggling with just this quorum issue.  It is a bita of a9 > > waste to dedicate a 72GB disk to quorum, for example.  > E > Why?  If you are running a hobbyist system, a small VAX uses little H > power, the operating system is stable, so just weld it shut and let itH > run for years.  If you are in a commercial situation, then I think you' > would want at least a 3-node cluster.  > K Want - Of course.  Sustainable with current corporate mindshare - Censored.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:25:26 -0500e' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>tE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?o0 Message-ID: <112f35uk8a81cdc@corp.supernews.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:t > In articleH > <OFB722AD03.EBF04468-ON85256FB9.00722BEE-85256FB9.0072DD96@metso.com>,! > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: N >  > D >>I happen to have a 2-Alpha, 1-Vax cluster right now, and I want to >>deinstallgL >>the VAX, so I am struggling with just this quorum issue.  It is a bit of a7 >>waste to dedicate a 72GB disk to quorum, for example.l >  > F > Why?  If you are running a hobbyist system, a small VAX uses little I > power, the operating system is stable, so just weld it shut and let it )I > run for years.  If you are in a commercial situation, then I think you f' > would want at least a 3-node cluster.t > L David Turner is your man.  A DS10L locked in a closet somewhere.  Go for it.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.125 ************************