1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 04 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 126       Contents:P Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and The P Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and 0 Re: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!)0 Re: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!) Change MAC address on DE500?! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question   Re: DECC floating point question  Re: DECC floating point question# Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle 
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 Re: get a VAX  HP Advocacy poll Re: HP Advocacy poll Re: Logfile name  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch  Re: mime encode message in batch0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson OpenVMS TCPIP multiple portsA PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax / Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line 3 Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line 3 Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line 3 Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line ! ReFiorina and The Peter Principle  RMS API  Re: RMS API  Re: RMS API < Warren, any way to find out when this page was last updated?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:58:46 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and The  Q Message-ID: <OF2B7D709A.11AD31B8-ON85256FBA.005C20BE-85256FBA.005D885B@metso.com>   J hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 03/04/2005 09:43:25 AM:   2 > In article <112f318hh17t724@corp.supernews.com>,+ > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: C > >Not so, each gets zero votes, I write in myself, become the next  > >president, ...  > E > You can't write yourself in.  Well, you can, but it will be voided. C > Because we do not vote for prseident, but for a slate of electors $ > pledged to a particular candidate.  C Actually, in my state (Massachusetts) you can write yourself in for D president if you file a slate of electors more than 30 days prior toD the election who are pledged to you.  So the process is not entirelyE closed, although it is not exactly open either.  I have often thought C to do this, but eventually opted to "hold my nose and vote" for the E "evil of lessers" I though least disastrous.  There is no way to tell F what the loser(s) would really have done, so alternate universe novels* are really the best refuge, post election.   > * > Which gets me up on yet another soapbox! > > > We should follow the U S constitution and vote for ELECTORS.< > They should NOT be pledged to a particular cadidate with a2 > "winner takes all" vote by state.  (most states)  A I do not think the current paradigm is unconstitutional.  Do you?    > C > I believe that if we elected a mixed (by party) group of electors I > and send the to Washington, they would do a much beter job of selecting E > a president who is capable of doing the president's job -- not just ; > the person who has the best (and best financed) campaign.     J Well...no.  I agree that the nominating process is broken, and the partiesB nominate (presumably) those who can run, not those who can govern.	 Reverting J to a group of alleged or self-proclaimed savants is no better that relying onH a primary/party electorate that cannot be informed to make the decision. You J might as well put the election back into the house of representatives, butE that got the John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Andrew Jackson situation.    > I > (At the very least, this has the potential to cut down on the obnoxious 2 > and hideously expensive presidential campaigns!) > + > But I'm probably just falpping my jaws...  >   $ Your guaranteed right and privilege.  G IMHO the problem is information overload.  At every step of the process  there J are hundreds of contradictory factual positions on every issue, so that no one H can any longer make a truly informed decision;  what we get is gridlock, or, C worse, money driving the outcomes, because nothing else informs the 
 decisions.   > --G >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USA H >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)@ >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:20:22 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and  = Message-ID: <3Iednd-q6_1EBbXfRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    > L > hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 03/04/2005 09:43:25 > AM:    ...   > >>We should follow the U S constitution and vote for ELECTORS.< >>They should NOT be pledged to a particular cadidate with a2 >>"winner takes all" vote by state.  (most states) >  > C > I do not think the current paradigm is unconstitutional.  Do you?   D What matters is what the Supreme Court thinks.  Have they ever been G called upon to pass judgment on this?  The wording in the Constitution  + at least suggests Charlie's interpretation.    >  > C >>I believe that if we elected a mixed (by party) group of electors I >>and send the to Washington, they would do a much beter job of selecting E >>a president who is capable of doing the president's job -- not just ; >>the person who has the best (and best financed) campaign.  >  >  > L > Well...no.  I agree that the nominating process is broken, and the partiesD > nominate (presumably) those who can run, not those who can govern. > Reverting L > to a group of alleged or self-proclaimed savants is no better that relying > onJ > a primary/party electorate that cannot be informed to make the decision.  E You may have missed the point:  I think Charlie's suggestion is that  E electors from each state vote in proportion to the votes received in  I that state, rather than on a winner-take-all basis in each state.  Maine  * does this to at least some extent already.  G Among other things, this would dilute the current tendency to campaign  I seriously only in states perceived as being up for grabs.  To the degree  I that third-party candidates could win individual electors, it would also  H create a group of electors pledged to neither major-party candidate who H could help sway the result in a manner one would at least hope would be E consistent with the inclinations of their constituencies (sort of an  C indirect implementation of the 'instant runoff voting' and similar  
 concepts).  G I'd be for trying it, anyway:  the current system certainly sucks, and  I it's difficult to see this being a change for the worse (and it might be  D a bit better, though other changes/reforms would in my opinion have  higher priority).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:00:18 +0100 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> 9 Subject: Re: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!) 2 Message-ID: <42284DD2.4030807@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:  > ' >>I am still having problems with GD. I I >>modified the QPORT.COM to point to the later versions of the above that I >>I was able to build. However, it does not like something with the macro D >>file and I am using MMK rather than MMS so the error message isn't >>great. Here is the output: >>$ set ver  >>$ @[.contrib.vms]qport >>$! >>$!      QPORT.COM  >>$!  >>$!      Build GD 2.0.28 on VMS >  > ...  > $ >>$ OPEN/WRITE MFILE MFILE.MMS_ALPHA >>$ WRITE MFILE "#" : >>$ WRITE MFILE "SRCDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28]" >  > ...  >  >>$ CLOSE MFILE  >>$!7 >>$ MMS /DESCRIPTION=DESCRIP.MMS /MACRO=MFILE.MMS_ALPHA F >>%MMK-F-MACFILSYNTAX, syntax error at line 1 in macro definition file> >>BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS]MFILE.MMS_ALPHA;5 >  >  > Just guessing, but anyway: > I > MMK isn't happy with "#" used as a comment introducer (which originates E > from *ix). Try and replace it with the more VMSish "!" in the WRITE C > statements, or take out that statements altogether, as they don't " > contribute to the build process.A Nope. MMK recognises the # as comments. The OpenVMS.MMK file from @ GhostScript contains a lot of them and works perfectly with MMK.  G On my web-page http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/software2.html it is listed ; how I compiled GD and GDCHART and what dependencies I used. D Note that I compile everything with /name=(as_is,short). So you haveE to compile all the libraries and applications with it (or change the   makefiles ofcourse)                      Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:35:02 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>9 Subject: Re: Build problem - GD (but we're almost there!) B Message-ID: <42288026$0$26547$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   JOUKJ wrote:   > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >  >> mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: >>) >>> I am still having problems with GD. I K >>> modified the QPORT.COM to point to the later versions of the above that K >>> I was able to build. However, it does not like something with the macro F >>> file and I am using MMK rather than MMS so the error message isn't >>> great. Here is the output:
 >>> $ set ver  >>> $ @[.contrib.vms]qport >>> $! >>> $!      QPORT.COM  >>> $!" >>> $!      Build GD 2.0.28 on VMS >> >> >> ... >>& >>> $ OPEN/WRITE MFILE MFILE.MMS_ALPHA >>> $ WRITE MFILE "#" < >>> $ WRITE MFILE "SRCDIR = BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28]" >> >> >> ... >> >>> $ CLOSE MFILE  >>> $!9 >>> $ MMS /DESCRIPTION=DESCRIP.MMS /MACRO=MFILE.MMS_ALPHA H >>> %MMK-F-MACFILSYNTAX, syntax error at line 1 in macro definition file@ >>> BUILD_DEV:[000000.GD.GD-2_0_28.CONTRIB.VMS]MFILE.MMS_ALPHA;5 >> >> >> >> Just guessing, but anyway:  >>J >> MMK isn't happy with "#" used as a comment introducer (which originatesF >> from *ix). Try and replace it with the more VMSish "!" in the WRITED >> statements, or take out that statements altogether, as they don't# >> contribute to the build process.  > C > Nope. MMK recognises the # as comments. The OpenVMS.MMK file from B > GhostScript contains a lot of them and works perfectly with MMK. > I > On my web-page http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/software2.html it is listed = > how I compiled GD and GDCHART and what dependencies I used. F > Note that I compile everything with /name=(as_is,short). So you haveG > to compile all the libraries and applications with it (or change the   > makefiles ofcourse)  >  >                  Jouk A I don't get there with the URL you provided. I think you meant... 6 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GD   Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:51:45 -05002 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>% Subject: Change MAC address on DE500? 5 Message-ID: <Se1Wd.2754$Ny6.4823@mencken.net.nih.gov>   7 Is there any way to change the MAC address on a DE500B?   E Here's my situation.  I have a single critical application (a license F manager called flexlm) running on an old DEC 3000-500S whose I/O boardL crumped.  Front panel countdown stops at F0.  I would dearly love to migrateK this application to a newer Alpha, but the application queries the ethernet D hardware for it's MAC address to determine that it is running on theJ originally-licensed node.  It then serves licenses to 2 other applications) on 8 other Alphas which are still in use.   J The other applications are Research Systems IDL, and The Mathworks MATLAB.K Both companies have long ago de-supported VMS and refuse to give me updated > license data files to enable a move of flexlm to another node.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:50:07 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>* Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question4 Message-ID: <d097fv$rpu$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   O'Brien Paddy wrote:H > In CMS, this is achieved with groups.  System1 is a group in the main K > library, function1 is a (sub)group in system1, setup1 is a (sub)group in  J > function1, and your files are within that group.  System2 is a group in  > the main library, .... > J > Your files can actually be in any of the groups and can even be in more  > than one.   @ I'm glad that was posted twice, seeing as it's the right answer.  F Worth mentioning a little of the CMS jargon, seeing as the OP said he  was new to it...    Files are called elements in CMS5 They may be members of any number of groups, or none. ' Groups may themselves belong to groups.   , File versions are called generations in CMS.4 They may belong to classes (as elements and groups).  > A class would normally be used for a build version - so class D myprog-v1.0 might contain generation 1 of module A, generation 6 of A module B, etc. When you want to rebuild something, you'd fetch a   particular class out of CMS.  G Never directly edit the CMS stored version of a file, or the reference  H copy - that way lies chaos. CMS can be told to keep reference copies of , elements in a library's reference directory.  C You'll have to decide for yourself whether 'systems' are groups of  E groups, or libraries in their own right - it will depend on how much  D crossover there is between systems, but unless it's virtually none, I groups of groups are probably the way to go: inter-library relationships   aren't supported.   G CMS even supports triggers - I've got a little Pascal program that CMS  H runs to insert text files into a master indexed file every time they're 1 created - this is achieved with ACLs on commands.    Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:25:53 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>* Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation QuestionB Message-ID: <422837b2$0$26544$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Chris Sharman wrote: > O'Brien Paddy wrote: > I >> In CMS, this is achieved with groups.  System1 is a group in the main  I >> library, function1 is a (sub)group in system1, setup1 is a (sub)group  E >> in function1, and your files are within that group.  System2 is a  " >> group in the main library, .... >>F >> Your files can actually be in any of the groups and can even be in  >> more than one.  >  > B > I'm glad that was posted twice, seeing as it's the right answer. > H > Worth mentioning a little of the CMS jargon, seeing as the OP said he  > was new to it... > " > Files are called elements in CMS7 > They may be members of any number of groups, or none. ) > Groups may themselves belong to groups.  > . > File versions are called generations in CMS.6 > They may belong to classes (as elements and groups). > @ > A class would normally be used for a build version - so class F > myprog-v1.0 might contain generation 1 of module A, generation 6 of C > module B, etc. When you want to rebuild something, you'd fetch a   > particular class out of CMS. > I > Never directly edit the CMS stored version of a file, or the reference  J > copy - that way lies chaos. CMS can be told to keep reference copies of . > elements in a library's reference directory. > E > You'll have to decide for yourself whether 'systems' are groups of  G > groups, or libraries in their own right - it will depend on how much  F > crossover there is between systems, but unless it's virtually none, K > groups of groups are probably the way to go: inter-library relationships   > aren't supported.  > I > CMS even supports triggers - I've got a little Pascal program that CMS  J > runs to insert text files into a master indexed file every time they're 3 > created - this is achieved with ACLs on commands.  >  > Chris   6 See also the "Guide to DIGITAL Code Management System") http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/decset.html    Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:54:50 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question1 Message-ID: <ZrWdnS2YWtUHx7XfRVn-gA@adelphia.com>    Chris Sharman wrote: > O'Brien Paddy wrote: > I >> In CMS, this is achieved with groups.  System1 is a group in the main  I >> library, function1 is a (sub)group in system1, setup1 is a (sub)group  E >> in function1, and your files are within that group.  System2 is a  " >> group in the main library, .... >>F >> Your files can actually be in any of the groups and can even be in  >> more than one.  >   B > I'm glad that was posted twice, seeing as it's the right answer.  G That only works if there is no repetition of filenames in the project.  / Frequently in open source that is not the case.   D Separate CMS libraries for each is the only way to avoid that issue.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:21:28 GMT  From: Barry <I_am_not@home.com> * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question> Message-ID: <I9_Vd.16395$hU7.12185@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  F And here I was wondering what IBM's Conversational Monitor System (or . Cambridge Monitoring System) was doing on VMS.  
 Barry in Indy    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 07:33:35 -0800  From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation QuestionA Message-ID: <1109950415.209812.3230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   ? > That only works if there is no repetition of filenames in the  project.1 > Frequently in open source that is not the case.  > F > Separate CMS libraries for each is the only way to avoid that issue. >   D If there are only a small number of duplicates it may be possible toD use variants to keep the distinct files in the same library. ClassesA can be maintained for the different locations and the new /INSERT D qualifier to REPLACE used to keep them upto date. Long variant names@ (fairly new) make for more meaningful variant names than the old letters.  G However, separate libraries is easier if there are more than a few such  files.  F Apart from the ease of use issue, CMS's handling of element data files7 isn't too good if there are very different generations.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:01:23 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question. Message-ID: <d0a0oj$l5q$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes in article <ZrWdnS2YWtUHx7XfRVn-gA@adelphia.com> dated Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:54:50 -0500: >Chris Sharman wrote:  >> O'Brien Paddy wrote:  >>  J >>> In CMS, this is achieved with groups.  System1 is a group in the main J >>> library, function1 is a (sub)group in system1, setup1 is a (sub)group F >>> in function1, and your files are within that group.  System2 is a # >>> group in the main library, ....  >>> G >>> Your files can actually be in any of the groups and can even be in   >>> more than one. >>  C >> I'm glad that was posted twice, seeing as it's the right answer.  > H >That only works if there is no repetition of filenames in the project. 0 >Frequently in open source that is not the case. > E >Separate CMS libraries for each is the only way to avoid that issue.   J Yes, especially filenames like DESCRIP.MMS.  For very large projects thereH are also library-contention issues -- some CMS operations lock key filesG in the library temporarily.  Multiple libraries makes that less likely.   J I use a separate virtual device for CMS libraries.  This is defined at the
 system level.   !   "CMS$LIB" = "CMS_DEV:[.CMSLIB]"   K So the user doesn't need to use the "CMS SET LIB" command; it moves when he  does a "SET DEF".     I I also have separate virtual devices set up for different development and ! release versions of the software.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:44:37 -0800 3 From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii_googlespam@yahoo.com> * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question0 Message-ID: <112h43ltfna1907@corp.supernews.com>   David Jones wrote:  H > I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory > structure: >  > Main Library > ------------ >      | >      +-- System1 >          ------- >             |  >             +--- Function1 >                  --------- >                      |) >                      +----- Setup Files  > E > There are many setup files under many functions under many systems.  > 5 > I'm totally new to CMS and any help is appreciated.   E I have had used command files to change the name of files to fake the B directory structure so that all of the files for one project would go into a single CMS library.   C         System1/Function1/xxx.txt  <-> System1--Function1--xxx.txt     --   C.W.Holeman II) cwh5ii@Julian5Locals.com remove the fives    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 09:21:48 +0100 . From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)) Subject: Re: DECC floating point question + Message-ID: <1uqQ$n568N+8@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   _ In article <d07i61$c92$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > c > "Joseph Huber" <huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de> wrote in message news:MWZFpOtRfzHX@vms.mppmu.mpg.de...  > F >> Your problem is not really FP precision (at least not for 4 decimalP >> digits), but the C language casting, which is simply truncating the mantissa.N >> Other languages have ENTIER or NINT (Nearest INTeger) functions to give You >> the expected result.  >  > So does C.  %  But with that particular difference: J   C type-casting does not result in nearest integer, but simply truncates,H   Fortran (at least Digital/HP) does it, see the OPs example in Fortran:            integer I"          I = 2.75 * 2.30 * 10000.0          print * , ' I = ',I          end    Results in           I =        63250  --  6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:59:13 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: DECC floating point question $ Message-ID: <d09t41$8sh$1@online.de>  D In article <d098vq$9a6$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    ) > >  But with that particular difference: N > >   C type-casting does not result in nearest integer, but simply truncates,L > >   Fortran (at least Digital/HP) does it, see the OPs example in Fortran: > >  > >          integer I& > >          I = 2.75 * 2.30 * 10000.0  > >          print * , ' I = ',I > >          end > >  > >  Results in  > >          I =        63250  > I > The Fortran standard is quite clear here.  The RHS is first calculated  G > as a REAL number (even if there were 10000 instead of 10000.0 above,  H > this would be the case; 10000 would be converted to 10000.0 since the I > other multiplicands are reals) then the result is TRUNCATED during the  I > assignment to the integer value.  Thus, the above would be the same as   > # >    I = INT(2.75 * 2.30 * 10000.0)  > G > if one needs it, there is NINT as well.  Of course, depending on the  A > value, INT and NINT might give the same results, but might not.    $ create test.f90  X=2.7  Y=2.9  Z=x*y 	 print*, z  i = z 	 print*, i  end    $ fortran test $ link test 
 $ run test
   7.830000           7    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:25:55 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle, Message-ID: <ZemdnVf4EZGs_rXfRVn-1w@igs.net>  
 leslie wrote: 6 > Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com) wrote:@ >> In article <9tGdnRB5S4LcxbrfRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>,- >> Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  >>F >>>              ...  Some of us refused to vote for Kerry even with aF >>> second Bush term as the possible outcome.  A lot more would refuse? >>> to vote for Hillary with even a somewhat less objectionable  >>> alternative. >>. >> Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for? >> > E > Tough call since both women are loyal to India, Inc. instead of the  > U.S. > D >> This thought give new meaning to terms such as "abstain" and "3rd
 >> party". >> >  > E > Hillary is a member of the "Friends of India" caucus in the Senate:  > G >    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?msid=593175 : >    Senators form 'Friends of India' - The Times of India >  > G > Hillary supports offshoring and non-immigrant work visas (H-1B, L-1):  > : >    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html >    Hillary Clinton woos India  >  >   "Hillary Clinton woos India  >    By Siddharth Srivastava >  >    [snip]  > # >    Hillary clears outsourcing air  > D >    Hillary Clinton made it apparent where she stood on outsourcingF >    during her India visit, in an attempt perhaps to clear the IndianG >    misgivings received during the Kerry campaign. "There is no way to G >    legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she told an C >    audience of Indian big-wigs. She pointed out that there were 3 E >    billion people who feel left behind and are trying to attack the : >    modern world in the hope of turning the clock back onG >    globalization. "It is not far-fetched to imagine ... if the Indian G >    miracle would be the one of choice of those who feel left behind,"  > said Hillary.  > B >    Hillary has been at the forefront in defending free trade andG >    outsourcing. During the height of the anti-outsourcing backlash in G >    the US last year, she faced considerable flak for defending Indian A >    software giant Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) for opening a F >    center in Buffalo, New York. "We are not against all outsourcing;D >    we are not in favor of putting up fences," Hillary said firmly,H >    despite inevitably invoking the ire of the anti-free trade brigade. > F >    Hillary further clarified her position during her recent visit asF >    well as solutions that could be beneficial to both countries. SheG >    urged Indian industries to invest more in the US to allay negative G >    outpourings over outsourcing of American jobs to India. "I have to D >    be frank. People in my country are losing their jobs and the US; >    policymakers need to address this issue," she said..."  > B > Sure, tell unemployed people to retrain for another career to beE > offshored or turned over to non-immigrant work visa holders because ' > of a "shortage" of trained Americans.     J Left to her own devices, carly(tm) probably would have outsourced everyoneJ at HP except the Gulfstream pilots and stewards/stewardesses - they neededE to be on-call 24/7 - but then again, they might have been Indian too.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:35:55 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle0 Message-ID: <fn_Vd.980$qO5.277@news.cpqcorp.net>  q In article <rIqm$M8e5sTm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: s >In article <1109886372.720173ee472aab2c28644f263c290433@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> Charlie Hammond wrote: / >>> Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?  >>  I >> What is interesting about this possibility (either as president or VP) I >> is that by pitting two females against each other, you force the issue J >> of sexual discrimination out. The most bigotted will still have to vote0 >> for their prefered party and accept a female. > B >   There are more than two parties, and no one is forced to vote.E >   In fact a lot of people don't vote somply because their choice is  >   always "none of the above".   @ My personal opinion is that note voting says "I don't care", notF "none of the above".  I think that a vote for a third party candidate D sends a clearer message that the Democrates and Republicans are both wrong.    E Personally, I tend to vote Libertarian because I LIKE the libertarian E principle, even if I don't really know how well the Libertarian party F upholds the libertarian principle.  (Not use of upper/lower case L/l.)   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:43:25 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle0 Message-ID: <hu_Vd.981$qO5.904@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 In article <112f318hh17t724@corp.supernews.com>,  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: B >Not so, each gets zero votes, I write in myself, become the next  >president, ...   C You can't write yourself in.  Well, you can, but it will be voided. A Because we do not vote for prseident, but for a slate of electors " pledged to a particular candidate.  ( Which gets me up on yet another soapbox!  < We should follow the U S constitution and vote for ELECTORS.; They should NOT be pledged to a particular cadidate with a  0 "winner takes all" vote by state.  (most states)  A I believe that if we elected a mixed (by party) group of electors G and send the to Washington, they would do a much beter job of selecting D a president who is capable of doing the president's job -- not just 9 the person who has the best (and best financed) campaign.   G (At the very least, this has the potential to cut down on the obnoxious 0 and hideously expensive presidential campaigns!)  ) But I'm probably just falpping my jaws...    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:25:13 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle, Message-ID: <UbWdnQj3VodR8rXfRVn-pg@igs.net>   David Mathog wrote:  > John Smith wrote:  >  > F >> ASHINGTON, March 1 - Carleton S. Fiorina, who lost her job as chiefF >> executive of Hewlett-Packard almost three weeks ago, has emerged asF >> a strong candidate to become president of the World Bank, according- >> to an official in the Bush administration.  > <SNIP>G >> With this choice, President Bush would have a chance to name his own 3 >> person to be the spokesman for the world's poor.  > H > The irony of Carly speaking for the world's poor cannot be overstated.H > Her first words in that role would doubtless be:  "Let them eat cake." >  >  >> As the head? >> of a Fortune 500 company for six years, she gained executive D >> experience that put her near the top of the list for the job. SheF >> would also add glamour as probably the only candidate famous enough. >> to be widely known by her nickname - Carly. >  > Form over substance. > 7 > By what metric is HP a better company now than it was  > when she took over?  >  >>F >> Lael Brainard, director of the poverty and global initiative at theF >> Brookings Institute, said, "Her candidacy is within the traditionalE >> mold in that America has on occasion gone to someone with a proven D >> record in the corporate world because, at the end of the day, the- >> World Bank is a big management challenge."  > G > Proven record alright, but not in a good sense.  Bush would only name B > her to the World Bank if he wanted to destroy that institutiion.     Mar. 4, 2005. 01:00 AM  $ World Bank could use Bill, not Carly    F Since its creation in 1944, the World Bank has weathered political andJ economic changes by reinventing itself several times over, adapting as theF demands on its services altered. To the disgust of its many vociferousK critics - who get much of their ammunition from the bank's unusually candiduK analyses of its own failures - it has remained the world's most influential K provider of development finance. Its intellectual rigour has, however, beenoE compromised in recent years by the eagerness of James Wolfensohn, theoJ soon-to-be-gone president, to curry favour with every single-issue protestH group in sight. To retain its edge, the bank needs to sharpen its focus.  I This is because the World Bank is above all a knowledge organization. Its H loans, at $20 billion (U.S.) a year, have long been eclipsed in scale byI private sector investment, which is, of course, a measure of success, not I failure. Countries that were once bank customers have "graduated" and canvK now raise money on the open market. But its importance now is as a catalystnF for economic progress. The bank is unmatched as a centre of specialistL research and policy advice, not only to finance ministries but also in areasH ranging from environmental economics to education. Its analyses stronglyK influence private flows. In the globalized economy, this expertise helps toe* reduce uncertainties and build confidence.  J It matters, therefore, who is chosen to succeed Wolfensohn. Time is short;E he leaves in May. If this were a corporation, there would by now be aPK shortlist of highly qualified candidates awaiting scrutiny by the board. BynF contrast, chief executives of the World Bank "emerge" in an opaque andG politicized process that too often rewards networking at the expense of K nous. By convention, the job goes to an American (just as the International ( Monetary Fund is a "European preserve").  J These are outdated conventions; since no head of the World Bank could failA to be responsive to its major shareholders, nationality should be-I irrelevant. The World Bank has been lumbered with too many mediocrities -rJ Tom Clausen and Lewis Preston from the banking sector, Barber Conable fromH Congress. The names now floating in the Washington ether range from PaulG Wolfowitz, brilliant and still the favourite, to such dated dullards assK Congressman Jim Leach. Since the Bush administration is intent on assertingeK its prerogative, it behoves it rapidly to douse all speculation about CarlyrL Fiorina, the showy, newly ousted CEO of Hewlett Packard. She would certainlyL travel the world in style, but the banking bit would not be to her taste and: she is hardly suited to write a manual on good management.  K The World Bank could get solid management from U.S. Treasury UndersecretarynD John Taylor, a man too straight to be sold British Chancellor of theH Exchequer Gordon Brown's fiscally curious scheme for doubling aid now byD mortgaging tomorrow's aid budgets, or from Harvard's Kenneth Rogoff.  L Then there is Bill Clinton, who is looking for a job, and Mr. Brown himself, who may be looking for a job.o    9 ---------------------------------------------------------r7 This editorial appeared yesterday in The Times, London.          --0 OpenVMS - The operating system the public forgot   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:10:08 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: get a VAX0 Message-ID: <4%ZVd.979$6H5.851@news.cpqcorp.net>  G I suspect that this is all understanding the alchemy of floating point,tI which I do not claim to.  I believe that in this case, VAX floating pointi> by default rounds up, and IEEE rounds down.  There are various  mechanisms to set the mode IIRC.    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:k8xR9b0YNelr@eisner.encompasserve.org...eE > In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,n damnihatethat@gmail.com writes:t > > #include <stdio.h> > >b
 > > main() > > {u > >t > >   double odds1 = 2.75; > >   double odds2 = 2.30; > >   double result; > >   unsigned int temp; > >g > >   result = odds1 * odds2;e/ > >   temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);o" > >   printf("temp = %d\n", temp); > >n > > }h >eG >    Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D floatr4 >    produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha). >hI >    So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if your3 >    don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float.a >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:27:41 +0000l- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>h Subject: Re: get a VAX8 Message-ID: <ncvg21hmktetn2edujsthf5g2bvi1l7cpb@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:10:08 GMT, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:  H >I suspect that this is all understanding the alchemy of floating point,J >which I do not claim to.  I believe that in this case, VAX floating point? >by default rounds up, and IEEE rounds down.  There are various.! >mechanisms to set the mode IIRC.p  K It was always my understanding that Vax floating point was *rounded* if theyL result was calculated to more precision than the target operand could store.L (Note I am not referring to type conversion.)  The oft-quoted story was thatL you didn't do precision math on IBMs if you wanted the right answer (as theyG were believed to always truncate).  Do enough calculations and roundingc1 should get you nearer the answer than truncation.a   ICBW.  IANAL.  HAND !/   --  6 Vegetarians eat vegetables.  Beware of humanitarians!    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:44:03 +0000e- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>  Subject: Re: get a VAX8 Message-ID: <ltvg21p4e38g8glqe4toqt3efcpraee69h@4ax.com>  J On 3 Mar 2005 13:30:47 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   d >In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, damnihatethat@gmail.com writes: >> #include <stdio.h>x >> y	 >> main()u >> { >> r >>   double odds1 = 2.75;n >>   double odds2 = 2.30;b >>   double result;  >>   unsigned int temp;p >> o >>   result = odds1 * odds2;. >>   temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);! >>   printf("temp = %d\n", temp);  >> e >> } > F >   Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D float4 >   produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha).  >rI >   So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if you b2 >   don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float.  F The number 2.3 cannot be represented exactly, but instead appears as aK recurring binary fraction.  The answer ("6.325") is also a recurring numbertJ (2.75 can be stored exactly), so it should not be surprising that the lossD of even 1 bit of mantissa may be significant.  I entered the FortranI equivalent and then manually patched the least significant byte of resultnA from 102 to 101.  It then reports as 6.324999999999972 instead ofrI 6.325000000000000.  Granted this is in D_FLOATING, but it illustrates thee
 principle.  H The result *could* even be sensitive to whether the mantissa contains anI even or odd number of bits rather than the absolute number, but I confesswK I've not thought that right through (using REAL*16 gets you 63249 however).n  I It is perturbing that Vax and Alpha differ, for native VMS floating-pointc! work, but that may be documented.w   -- e5 We have standards and expect you not to exceed them. t   Mail john rather than nospam...o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:09:03 GMTi* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: get a VAX0 Message-ID: <3v1Wd.992$J%5.297@news.cpqcorp.net>  I I believe that there is lots of documentation.  I also believe that while-F you can tell the compilers to use VAX floating on Alpha, the actual FP0 calculations are done in IEEE with a conversion.  : "John Laird" <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message2 news:ltvg21p4e38g8glqe4toqt3efcpraee69h@4ax.com...L > On 3 Mar 2005 13:30:47 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote:a > F > >In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, damnihatethat@gmail.com writes:  > >> #include <stdio.h>v > >> > >> main()! > >> { > >> > >>   double odds1 = 2.75;2 > >>   double odds2 = 2.30;  > >>   double result;I > >>   unsigned int temp;L > >> > >>   result = odds1 * odds2;0 > >>   temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);# > >>   printf("temp = %d\n", temp);I > >> > >> } > >RH > >   Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D float5 > >   produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha).R > >SJ > >   So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if you4 > >   don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float. >eH > The number 2.3 cannot be represented exactly, but instead appears as aF > recurring binary fraction.  The answer ("6.325") is also a recurring numberL > (2.75 can be stored exactly), so it should not be surprising that the lossF > of even 1 bit of mantissa may be significant.  I entered the FortranK > equivalent and then manually patched the least significant byte of resultsC > from 102 to 101.  It then reports as 6.324999999999972 instead of K > 6.325000000000000.  Granted this is in D_FLOATING, but it illustrates them > principle. >aJ > The result *could* even be sensitive to whether the mantissa contains anK > even or odd number of bits rather than the absolute number, but I confess5C > I've not thought that right through (using REAL*16 gets you 63249u	 however).B >dK > It is perturbing that Vax and Alpha differ, for native VMS floating-pointd# > work, but that may be documented.K >r > --  6 > We have standards and expect you not to exceed them. >:! > Mail john rather than nospam...s   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:49:57 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: get a VAX3 Message-ID: <B5VeMJzr$Nkh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <ltvg21p4e38g8glqe4toqt3efcpraee69h@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes: > K > It is perturbing that Vax and Alpha differ, for native VMS floating-point># > work, but that may be documented.M  E    That is documented.  Alpha does not do D_float computations, which_B    are required topreserve the extra accuracy of a D_float number.M    Alpha privodes limitted support for D_float by converting to/from G_float MA    on load/store operations.  The calculation is done in G_float.U  D    VAX fully supports D_float.  I suspect Charon-VAX on Alpha is the4    only way to get full D_float support on an Alpha.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:52:55 GMTr% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>! Subject: HP Advocacy pollt; Message-ID: <Hn0Wd.5820$DW.5563@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>c  L The latest HP Advocacy poll at http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/index.cfm asks:  K "Which of the following server operating systems do you anticipate running e@ as a primary platform in two years time? Select all that apply."  = Right now, OpenVMS is leading all others (including Windows).    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 09:07:45 -0800m$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HP Advocacy polliB Message-ID: <1109956065.729398.81440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   John Vottero wrote:o  > The latest HP Advocacy poll at- http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/index.cfm asks:. >eD > "Which of the following server operating systems do you anticipate running-B > as a primary platform in two years time? Select all that apply." >"? > Right now, OpenVMS is leading all others (including Windows).      $! HOLY SYS$PETUNIAS!y $8 $! Cool.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:23:44 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Logfile names/ Message-ID: <BE4D9350.83B3%roktsci@comcast.net>3   On 3/3/05 5:54 PM, in article.< 1109901272.984322.253600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:e   > E > You are correct. The need for the job name was mentioned in anotherrD > post in this same thread, which I have acknowledged in yet anotherI > post. However, if you have a space in the job name, your code may fail.rC > 'Tis better to put the pieces together with the F$PARSE function.a > I > Assuming that /NOLOG was not specified, and you can check for that withuE > an appropriate F$GETQUI statement (see other posts in this thread),o > 6 > LOG_FS = F$PARSE(LOG_FILE,JOB_NAME,"SYS$LOGIN:.LOG") > C > where LOG_FILE and JOB_NAME are derived from appropriate F$GETQUInG > statements. F$PARSE will remove spaces from the job name, just as thep > queueing system will.o    K The code still works fine even with embedded spaces in the /NAME qualifier, G but then again I'm using ODS 5. I acknowledge it has problems in ODS 3.t   Thanks JC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:55:37 -0500. From: "Paul" <paul_dot_mosteika_at_hp_dot_com>) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batchp, Message-ID: <4228813f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Hi,t  J As a few have correctly pointed out, MIME does work in BATCH mode. I thinkE the main problem is that MIME opens an editor by default with the NEW  command.  J We added a new qualifier to NEW /[NO]EDIT="edit/teco" to allow turning offH (/NOEDIT) the default feature of invoking the editor defined in the MAILI profile with the MAIL SET EDIT command. This can also be used to override L the MAIL profile specifiied editor (or what may be specified in the optionalL MIME$MAILCAP.DAT file). We also added support of the MAIL$EDIT  logical name. for a system-wide, default editor and context.  E If the version of Mime that you are using is prior to V1.8, then this I qualifier is not available. However, you can use a preprocessed MIME textk@ file that was saved with MIME, basically a blank file or minimalG "introductory" text, and use the MIME OPEN/DRAFT  command, then ADD thef parts.  J Whenever MAIL is used to send a MIME encoded file, if the address in not aH TCP/IP mail address, MAIL will add an extra blank line between it's mailG headers and the message; standard VMS mail stuff - to separate its mailo headers from the message.   F If a TCP/IP mail address is used, SMTP will send the MIME encoded mailJ properly with the formatted (RFC822) mail message headers, followed by theH Mime headers (without an intervening blank line). This was fixed as of aI patch to TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.0A  (so later versions should sendyJ the mail properly). There are other problems with SMTP HEADER position andH so on that can affect MIME mail, please see MIME HELP OVERVIEW which may provide some insight.t  C An alternative is to use the command line to send the mail, (e.g.):   I     $ MAIL/NOSELF mime-file.mime smtp%"paul@domain.com" /subject="Sendingb this MIME Message to You"a  K This command could be added to the BATCH procedure. However, TCPIP ServicesaF still has to have the change - Minimum TCPIP V5.0A + "SMTP Blank Line" Patch.  J SFF would be used only as an alternative on systems prior to TCPIP V5.0A +I "SMTP Blank Line" Patch. It "could" be used but it's a little cumbersome.s  J Please note that current version is MIME V1.92. V1.92 fixes a problem with5 duplicate message-ID's that may occur when processingo messages rapidly in BATCH mode.   ! I hope this helps clarify things.n                         Paul        8 "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com> wrote in message< news:4224dd52$0$23601$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...L > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a  > batch process. Something like: >   > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe > $mimea > new message.txt  > <message body txt> > ctrl-z > add filename1.rtfe > add filename2.rft  > exitD > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com" >m >s > I just get a message saying:1 > Change mode can be entered only from a terminalh >' >t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:05:29 -0500. From: "Paul" <paul_dot_mosteika_at_hp_dot_com>) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batch * Message-ID: <42288142@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Hi,t  J As a few have correctly pointed out, MIME does work in BATCH mode. I thinkE the main problem is that MIME opens an editor by default with the NEWx command.  J We added a new qualifier to NEW /[NO]EDIT="edit/teco" to allow turning offH (/NOEDIT) the default feature of invoking the editor defined in the MAILI profile with the MAIL SET EDIT command. This can also be used to override L the MAIL profile specifiied editor (or what may be specified in the optionalK MIME$MAILCAP.DAT file). We also added support of the MAIL$EDIT logical namey. for a system-wide, default editor and context.  E If the version of Mime that you are using is prior to V1.8, then this I qualifier is not available. However, you can use a preprocessed MIME text @ file that was saved with MIME, basically a blank file or minimalJ "introductory" text, and use the the MIME OPEN/DRAFT command, then ADD the parts.  J Whenever MAIL is used to send a MIME encoded file, if the address in not aH TCP/IP mail address, MAIL will add an extra blank line between it's mailG headers and the message; standard VMS mail stuff - to separate its mailf headers from the message.f  F If a TCP/IP mail address is used, SMTP will send the MIME encoded mailJ properly with the formatted (RFC822) mail message headers, followed by theH Mime headers (without an intervening blank line). This was fixed as of aL patch to TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.0A (so later versions should send theL mail properly). There are other problems with SMTP HEADER position and so onJ that can affect MIME mail, please see MIME HELP OVERVIEW which may provide
 some insight.l  C An alternative is to use the command line to send the mail, (e.g.):   L        $ MAIL/NOSELF mime-file.mime smtp%"paul@domain.com" /subject="Sending this MIME Message to You"a    K This command could be added to the BATCH procedure. However, TCPIP Services0F still has to have the change - Minimum TCPIP V5.0A + "SMTP Blank Line" Patch.  J SFF would be used only as an alternative on systems prior to TCPIP V5.0A +I "SMTP Blank Line" Patch. It "could" be used but it's a little cumbersome.d  J Please note that current version is MIME V1.92. V1.92 fixes a problem withI duplicate message-ID's that may occur when processing messages rapidly ina BATCH mode.m  ! I hope this helps clarify things.       .                                           Paul      8 "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com> wrote in message< news:4224dd52$0$23601$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...L > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a mime encoded message in a  > batch process. Something like: >a  > $mime :== $sys$system:mime.exe > $mimed > new message.txtd > <message body txt> > ctrl-z > add filename1.rtf- > add filename2.rft  > exitD > $mail/subject="Attached files" message.txt "someone@somewhere.com" >. >w > I just get a message saying:1 > Change mode can be entered only from a terminala >i >.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:14:58 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)0) Subject: Re: mime encode message in batchO. Message-ID: <d0a1i1$l5q$3@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Paul" <paul_dot_mosteika_at_hp_dot_com> writes in article <4228813f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com> dated Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:55:37 -0500:>K >Whenever MAIL is used to send a MIME encoded file, if the address in not auI >TCP/IP mail address, MAIL will add an extra blank line between it's mailfH >headers and the message; standard VMS mail stuff - to separate its mail >headers from the message.  K Ahhh, maybe that's the cause of some of the behavior I have seen.  MessagesiI to myself and to account names I have forwarded with MAIL> SET FORWARD/U= 6 are processed differently.  I'll try adding "@myhost".  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 04:10:24 -0800y* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJiB Message-ID: <1109938224.053704.73870@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote:  D > And how many will miss this because they read it on Google Groups? Theh@ > address is incomplete on Google. To get the address to show on Google, F > a poster has to munge it so that Google won't!!! I like the irony in; > that: hide something in plain sight to ensure visibility!  #   D Assuming the From: address is valid then a Reply to sender in GoogleE Groups will work. You need to click "Show Options" next to the sender"@ name. The address given in the body of the mail is a little moreE problematic but if you read Google Groups by their email feed then ite doesn't munge the address.  @ > OK, a sufficiently motivated applicant would hunt down another% > newsreader or look for other clues.    It is a bit annoying I agree.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 05:28:44 -0800- From: bob@instantwhip.com 9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ B Message-ID: <1109942924.764592.17970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  : synergy dibol works great w/oracle and has no glitches ...   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 04:19:41 -0800i From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson C Message-ID: <1109938781.846452.168030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>e   Dave Froble wrote: > icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > > Dave Weatherall wrote: > >h< > >>On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:48:37 UTC, icerq4a@spray.se wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Roger Ivie wrote: > >>>m? > >>>>On 2005-03-02, icerq4a@spray.se <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:  > >>>> > >>>>>Dave Froble wrote:. > >>>>> B > >>>>>>In 2001 when Compaq killed Alpha, the main reason was that > >B	 > > IA-64. > >r > >>>WAS to  > >>> @ > >>>>>>be an inexpensive product usable from the desktop to the > >>>. > >>>enterprise. > >>>Y > >>>>>Not desktop,a > >>>> > >>>>F > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.arch/msg/6fbf60d0494a5264 > >s@ > >>>I was specifically referring to the year 2001 announcement. > >>D > >>Which was accompanied by claims about Industry Standard hardware and, > >  > > E > >>at least implicit, claims about desktop to server. To a degree, ItE > >>presume it was a controbutor to Fred's belief that there would be/C > >>IA-64 workstations for VMS. Workstation in the normal, industry F > >>standard? use of the word, not small Itanic machines with a decent > >>graphics card. > >  > >ID > > As far as I know the announcement was that Compaq would move all it'sC > > 64-bit enterprise server systems at the time, Alpha and MIPS to3 IA64.(5 > > Anything else is speculation, but I may be wrong.l > >-A > > The people involved obviously knew that there would be x86-64  systems-  > > released within a few years. > >c ><F > What part of "Intel wanted people to use IA-64 for 64 bit computing"D > don't you understand?  Right up until they made that 'U' turn last year,rB > they continued to promote IA-64 for 64 bit computing.  Only when Opteronr; > made Intel look like a loser did they change their plans.e  E The U-turn must have been done earlier, but the announcement was done2E as late as possible, Intel didn't want to compete with the "momentum"dE that IA64 needed. And, the enormous success with 32-bit Xeon has hurtt Itanium much more than Opteron.   G > You make claims in posts with nothing but your 'belief' about issues,0 doF > not listen to posts from people who have followed these issues since+ > 1998, and have some blind faith in Intel.a  G It may be because I have for, I think, a decade, mainly seen Itanium ash: a HP chip as a replacement for their PA-RISC architecture.   > No matter what you believe:0 > G > 1) Intel and Compaq said that IA-64 would be a low cost, high volume,t  E > industry standard CPU that would be used in all types of computers, ' > including desktops.  They were wrong.*  G In no press release after 1997, I am not sure about earlier, Intel used E desktop as a target for Merced/Itanium. The architecture was targeted C as a workstation/server architecture. I have not seen Compaq sayings, that they would produce IA64 based desktops.  E > 2) Curley Capellas promised a participant in this forum a $1000 VMS , > system.  I'm thinking Bob's still waiting.  : I have no doubt he said that. Capellas was not a good CEO.  F > 3) The only thing itanic has going for it is advances in technology.F > Alpha EV7, which is 2001 technology, several sizes behind in processB > technology, still looks pretty good when compared to itanic when doingo > real work.  C Current Itanium is in 130nm, current Alpha is in 180nm, that is onevG generation behind. The reason Alpha is still looking good is because it # has a superior system architecture.h  B > Believe what you will, continue with your revisionist history, I guessn1 > reality and facts don't count for much anymore.e  4 As in "several sizes behind in process technology" ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 04:28:46 -08007 From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson B Message-ID: <1109939326.081078.46300@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:35:41 UTC, icerq4a@spray.se wrote: >w > > Dave Weatherall wrote:> > > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:48:37 UTC, icerq4a@spray.se wrote: > > >  > > > > Roger Ivie wrote:uC > > > > > On 2005-03-02, icerq4a@spray.se <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:  > > > > > >g > > > > > > Dave Froble wrote:G > > > > > >> In 2001 when Compaq killed Alpha, the main reason was that 	 > > IA-64a > > > > WAS toE > > > > > >> be an inexpensive product usable from the desktop to the, > > > > enterprise.a > > > > > >d > > > > > > Not desktop,	 > > > > >e	 > > > > > F > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.arch/msg/6fbf60d0494a5264 > > > >rC > > > > I was specifically referring to the year 2001 announcement.  > > >nF > > > Which was accompanied by claims about Industry Standard hardware and, > >cG > > > at least implicit, claims about desktop to server. To a degree, IsG > > > presume it was a controbutor to Fred's belief that there would beiE > > > IA-64 workstations for VMS. Workstation in the normal, industryaA > > > standard? use of the word, not small Itanic machines with a  decent > > > graphics card. > >SD > > As far as I know the announcement was that Compaq would move all it'sC > > 64-bit enterprise server systems at the time, Alpha and MIPS to  IA64.r5 > > Anything else is speculation, but I may be wrong.n > >eA > > The people involved obviously knew that there would be x86-64u systemsr  > > released within a few years. >sB > People where? Intel, Compaq or HP? in no particular order. All IA > (selectively?) remember is people rubbishing AMD and its x86-64r CPU's. > IA-64 was the 64-bit future.  F Some at Intel must have known, and I have some difficulty in believingF that Compaq didn't knew and that Intel managed to fool them totally. IF don't know about HP, they were, atleast not officially ;), part of the( 2001 agreement between Intel and Compaq.  3 > If Compaq knew in 2001, why kill Alpha back then?   5 A very good question. Besides, why kill Alpha at all!y   > Surely, it would beoF > more sense to wait for x86-64 to become 'industry standard' and port) > to that, and then you could EOL Alpha..-   Yes.  = But talking about sense at the time of the Alphacide is a bitl
 difficult. ;)    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 06:26:54 -0800  From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson C Message-ID: <1109946414.686545.284400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>q   Tom Linden wrote:e9 > On 4 Mar 2005 04:19:41 -0800, <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:o >eG > > Current Itanium is in 130nm, current Alpha is in 180nm, that is one0@ > > generation behind. The reason Alpha is still looking good is
 because it' > > has a superior system architecture.d >o> > Whether or not it has a superior architecture is irrelevant.  G It is not irrelevant. It _is_ the reason why it can outperform anything>A out there in large system scalability. No one can even touch it'ss2 memory performance, both in latency and bandwidth.   >  The work wase > note- > expended to move it to the next generation.l   I don't know what you mean?    >  I believe, BTW, IBM is at 90o > and   > has made sounds to move to 45.  C Current IBM POWER5 is at 130nm, there is though a 90nm PowerPC chip G now. I guess we will see 45nm products from Intel and IBM in 2008-2009.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:42:04 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson , Message-ID: <p9OdnQBL5rVd7rXfRVn-sw@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote:,9 > On 4 Mar 2005 06:26:54 -0800, <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:  >p >> Tom Linden wrote:; >>> On 4 Mar 2005 04:19:41 -0800, <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:  >>>iH >>>> Current Itanium is in 130nm, current Alpha is in 180nm, that is oneA >>>> generation behind. The reason Alpha is still looking good is 
 >> because itp( >>>> has a superior system architecture. >>>e@ >>> Whether or not it has a superior architecture is irrelevant. >>A >> It is not irrelevant. It _is_ the reason why it can outperformjB >> anything out there in large system scalability. No one can even@ >> touch it's memory performance, both in latency and bandwidth. >cA > Large memory bandwidth is necessary for weaker instruction setse >> >>>  The work wasi >>> not / >>> expended to move it to the next generation.r >> >> I don't know what you mean? > B > All I meant was, that had they continued working on it, it would' > presumably also be at the 130nm node.  >>! >>>  I believe, BTW, IBM is at 90n >>> andp" >>> has made sounds to move to 45. >>F >> Current IBM POWER5 is at 130nm, there is though a 90nm PowerPC chip? >> now. I guess we will see 45nm products from Intel and IBM ine
 >> 2008-2009.     J Having never been involved in IC design/fabrication, could somebody pleaseL explain what's involved in shrinking a mask from one process size to anotherK other than the physical shrink? How much 'rearranging' goes on to deal withb? 'leakage', ground planes, and other issues as processes shrink?n   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 07:03:23 -0800a From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsonuC Message-ID: <1109948603.534803.122930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>n   Tom Linden wrote: 9 > On 4 Mar 2005 06:26:54 -0800, <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:y >p > > Tom Linden wrote:-< > >> On 4 Mar 2005 04:19:41 -0800, <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote: > >>F > >> > Current Itanium is in 130nm, current Alpha is in 180nm, that is oneeC > >> > generation behind. The reason Alpha is still looking good is  > > because it* > >> > has a superior system architecture. > >>A > >> Whether or not it has a superior architecture is irrelevant.l > >tB > > It is not irrelevant. It _is_ the reason why it can outperform anythingE > > out there in large system scalability. No one can even touch it's 6 > > memory performance, both in latency and bandwidth. >aA > Large memory bandwidth is necessary for weaker instruction setsl  G I hope you are aware of that EV7 has an EV6 core, the difference in theeB new system architecture made a _huge_ difference in performance in large systems.   > >  > >>  The work was > >> not0 > >> expended to move it to the next generation. > >  > > I don't know what you mean?h >oB > All I meant was, that had they continued working on it, it would
 presumably > also be at the 130nm node.  < Yes, EV79 and the first EV8 were supposed to be 130nm chips.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 04:41:00 -0800 ' From: oj_287@yahoo.co.uk (Ron Atkinson)i% Subject: OpenVMS TCPIP multiple portsl= Message-ID: <f0fbb2b7.0503040441.1e938c73@posting.google.com>y   VMS 7.2-1, TCP/IP v5.1 & ECO 3  = I've got a TCPIP reader process listening on one port set by  ; local_host.SIN$W_PORT, which is fed into a QIO IO$_SETMODE.a  6 Is there a way to listen to multiple specified ports ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 08:15:54 -0800n$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>J Subject: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntaxB Message-ID: <1109952954.036656.66740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  > I seem to have a corrupt PCSI database that I'd like some help recovering.r  7 The following product will be installed to destination:e!     DEC AXPVMS VMS732_SYSINI V1.0i DISK$ALPSYS3V732:[VMS$COMMON.] %PCSI-E-READERR, error readingC SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSEXE]PCSI$FILE_SYSTEM.PCSI$DATABASE;1t# -DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntaxr  E I appear to be able read the database just fine (prod show history isp* fine) but can't install any more packages.  A I've logged a call but the document I got from the CSC isn't veryt9 helpful, recommending that I re-install VMS from scratch.   B Are there any tools out there to repair a corrupted pcsi database?+ Re-instaling VMS is not a realistic option.    Thanks,,	    .../Edl   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 07:53:58 -0800r( From: John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com8 Subject: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal LineB Message-ID: <1109951638.010740.75230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  G I am trying to install a printer on a terminal port of my MicroVAX3100.bB I am having problems so the DCL command file below was produced toG investigate. Currently a terminal is attached to tta3: which works finenD for logins when the system is booted/rebooted and the DCL file below has not been run.b $! $ SET VERIFY $ DEFINE /SYSTEM $PRINTER TTA3:cF $ SET TERMINAL $PRINTER /PERMANENT /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /NOWRAP -7       /SPEED=9600 /WIDTH=80 /PAGE=66 /DEVICE_TYPE=LA100 E $! note commented out SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(SYS$PRINT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:)l $PRINTER $ START /QUEUE SYS$PRINT $ SET NOVERIFY $ EXIT  1 All actions are undertaken in the SYSTEM account.   1 When I run the file I get the following messages:r   Message from user QUEUE_Manager   '    queue SYS$PRINT could not be startedm      no such device availablea   If I issue the command:o     $ COPY ANYTEXTFILE TTA3:  4 The file appears on the terminal with no corruption!B if the DCL command file is amended to include the spooling command) the problem remains with the same errors.e  G The print command produces no errors but the file is not printed as them queue has not started.  @ Any attempt to start it results in the same complaint from Queue Manager.  F This should be easy, its all basically explained in the SYSTARTUP.COM.   Can anyone please help?i   John     no such device available   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 08:17:46 -0800o From: bill@wcschmidt.com< Subject: Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal LineC Message-ID: <1109953066.072593.300410@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>t   It seems you forgot to do theh   init/que/start %%%%%%%  ) John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com wrote:a; > I am trying to install a printer on a terminal port of myr
 MicroVAX3100.,D > I am having problems so the DCL command file below was produced toD > investigate. Currently a terminal is attached to tta3: which works fineF > for logins when the system is booted/rebooted and the DCL file below > has not been run.l > $! > $ SET VERIFY! > $ DEFINE /SYSTEM $PRINTER TTA3:iF > $ SET TERMINAL $PRINTER /PERMANENT /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /NOWRAP --9 >       /SPEED=9600 /WIDTH=80 /PAGE=66 /DEVICE_TYPE=LA100 G > $! note commented out SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(SYS$PRINT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:)-
 > $PRINTER > $ START /QUEUE SYS$PRINT > $ SET NOVERIFY > $ EXIT >F3 > All actions are undertaken in the SYSTEM account.a >X3 > When I run the file I get the following messages:  >u! > Message from user QUEUE_Managerg >e) >    queue SYS$PRINT could not be startedt >a >    no such device availablec >, > If I issue the command:f >     $ COPY ANYTEXTFILE TTA3: >n6 > The file appears on the terminal with no corruption!D > if the DCL command file is amended to include the spooling command+ > the problem remains with the same errors.e >gE > The print command produces no errors but the file is not printed aso the  > queue has not started. >sB > Any attempt to start it results in the same complaint from Queue
 > Manager. >79 > This should be easy, its all basically explained in the  SYSTARTUP.COM. >  > Can anyone please help?* >  > John >  >  > no such device available   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 10:23:07 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org< Subject: Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line3 Message-ID: <zGE1PB8N50Ey@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <1109951638.010740.75230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com writes: I > I am trying to install a printer on a terminal port of my MicroVAX3100. D > I am having problems so the DCL command file below was produced toI > investigate. Currently a terminal is attached to tta3: which works finerF > for logins when the system is booted/rebooted and the DCL file below > has not been run.l > $! > $ SET VERIFY! > $ DEFINE /SYSTEM $PRINTER TTA3:dH > $ SET TERMINAL $PRINTER /PERMANENT /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /NOWRAP -9 >       /SPEED=9600 /WIDTH=80 /PAGE=66 /DEVICE_TYPE=LA100mG > $! note commented out SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(SYS$PRINT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:)a
 > $PRINTER > $ START /QUEUE SYS$PRINT > $ SET NOVERIFY > $ EXIT >    You are missing:  " $ INIT /QUEUE SYS$PRINT /ON=TTA3:    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:20:13 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)< Subject: Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line) Message-ID: <d0a1rt$lue$1@news.BelWue.DE>i  m In article <1109951638.010740.75230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com writes:rH >I am trying to install a printer on a terminal port of my MicroVAX3100.C >I am having problems so the DCL command file below was produced touH >investigate. Currently a terminal is attached to tta3: which works fineE >for logins when the system is booted/rebooted and the DCL file belowv >has not been run. >$!e
 >$ SET VERIFYl  >$ DEFINE /SYSTEM $PRINTER TTA3:G >$ SET TERMINAL $PRINTER /PERMANENT /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /NOWRAP -d8 >      /SPEED=9600 /WIDTH=80 /PAGE=66 /DEVICE_TYPE=LA100F >$! note commented out SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(SYS$PRINT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:)	 >$PRINTER  >$ START /QUEUE SYS$PRINT  >$ SET NOVERIFY  >$ EXITe >n2 >All actions are undertaken in the SYSTEM account. >)2 >When I run the file I get the following messages: >b  >Message from user QUEUE_Manager > ( >   queue SYS$PRINT could not be started >h >   no such device available >h >If I issue the command: >    $ COPY ANYTEXTFILE TTA3:o > 5 >The file appears on the terminal with no corruption!2C >if the DCL command file is amended to include the spooling command * >the problem remains with the same errors. >aH >The print command produces no errors but the file is not printed as the >queue has not started.e > A >Any attempt to start it results in the same complaint from Queuea	 >Manager.e >aG >This should be easy, its all basically explained in the SYSTARTUP.COM.t >e >Can anyone please help?  I Please post the output of a "SHOW TERMINAL TTA3:" and a "SHOW DEVICE/FULLl TTA3:"  O In addition, what happens if you replace your logical with the real device namec% "TTA3:" or even better with "_TTA3:"?r   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    -- sE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452o  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot dek  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanyw9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmle   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:56 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: ReFiorina and The Peter PrincipleQ Message-ID: <OF6EA0CADC.F7857D19-ON85256FBA.005DD627-85256FBA.005E5F49@metso.com>>   > > > From:      "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 03/04/2005 09:25 AM" > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 > Subject:   Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle   >o     Quote>, ..rewards networking at the expense of nous. <Unquote  & Fascinating, and I learned a new word:   Main Entry: nous Function: noun  Etymology: Greek noos, nous mind% 1 /'n=FCs also 'naus/ : MIND, REASON:v as3 a:  an intelligent purposive principle of the world95 b:  the divine reason regarded in Neoplatonism as theh first emanation of God  3 2 /'naus/ chiefly British : COMMON SENSE, ALERTNESS{   > David Mathog wrote:s > > John Smith wrote:l > >s > >.H > >> ASHINGTON, March 1 - Carleton S. Fiorina, who lost her job as chie= f H > >> executive of Hewlett-Packard almost three weeks ago, has emerged a= siH > >> a strong candidate to become president of the World Bank, accordin= gn/ > >> to an official in the Bush administration. 
 > > <SNIP>H > >> With this choice, President Bush would have a chance to name his o= wn5 > >> person to be the spokesman for the world's poor.t > >aH > > The irony of Carly speaking for the world's poor cannot be overstat= ed.aH > > Her first words in that role would doubtless be:  "Let them eat cak= e."5 > >  > >a > >> As the headA > >> of a Fortune 500 company for six years, she gained executiveaF > >> experience that put her near the top of the list for the job. SheH > >> would also add glamour as probably the only candidate famous enoug= h 0 > >> to be widely known by her nickname - Carly. > >4 > > Form over substance. > >29 > > By what metric is HP a better company now than it wast > > when she took over?  > >  > >>H > >> Lael Brainard, director of the poverty and global initiative at th= e H > >> Brookings Institute, said, "Her candidacy is within the traditiona= ltH > >> mold in that America has on occasion gone to someone with a proven=  F > >> record in the corporate world because, at the end of the day, the/ > >> World Bank is a big management challenge."  > > H > > Proven record alright, but not in a good sense.  Bush would only na= meC > > her to the World Bank if he wanted to destroy that institution.5 >: >5 > Mar. 4, 2005. 01:00 AM >r& > World Bank could use Bill, not Carly >u >cH > Since its creation in 1944, the World Bank has weathered political an= daH > economic changes by reinventing itself several times over, adapting a= s- thesH > demands on its services altered. To the disgust of its many vociferou= seF > critics - who get much of their ammunition from the bank's unusually candidA > analyses of its own failures - it has remained the world's moste influentialtH > provider of development finance. Its intellectual rigour has, however= ,r beenH > compromised in recent years by the eagerness of James Wolfensohn, the=  D > soon-to-be-gone president, to curry favour with every single-issue protestVH > group in sight. To retain its edge, the bank needs to sharpen its foc= us.- >-H > This is because the World Bank is above all a knowledge organization.=  ItsH > loans, at $20 billion (U.S.) a year, have long been eclipsed in scale=  by5H > private sector investment, which is, of course, a measure of success,=  notH > failure. Countries that were once bank customers have "graduated" and=  canD > now raise money on the open market. But its importance now is as a catalystH > for economic progress. The bank is unmatched as a centre of specialis= tdH > research and policy advice, not only to finance ministries but also i= n  > areasFH > ranging from environmental economics to education. Its analyses stron= gly6H > influence private flows. In the globalized economy, this expertise he= lpsa to, > reduce uncertainties and build confidence. >rE > It matters, therefore, who is chosen to succeed Wolfensohn. Time ise short;H > he leaves in May. If this were a corporation, there would by now be a=  H > shortlist of highly qualified candidates awaiting scrutiny by the boa= rd.w ByH > contrast, chief executives of the World Bank "emerge" in an opaque an= d H > politicized process that too often rewards networking at the expense = of? > nous. By convention, the job goes to an American (just as thes
 International3* > Monetary Fund is a "European preserve"). >9H > These are outdated conventions; since no head of the World Bank could=   failC > to be responsive to its major shareholders, nationality should be H > irrelevant. The World Bank has been lumbered with too many mediocriti= es -H > Tom Clausen and Lewis Preston from the banking sector, Barber Conable=   fromH > Congress. The names now floating in the Washington ether range from P= aultH > Wolfowitz, brilliant and still the favourite, to such dated dullards = asC > Congressman Jim Leach. Since the Bush administration is intent onS	 assertingLH > its prerogative, it behooves it rapidly to douse all speculation abou= ti > CarlyaD > Fiorina, the showy, newly ousted CEO of Hewlett-Packard. She would > certainlyuH > travel the world in style, but the banking bit would not be to her ta= stem > ands< > she is hardly suited to write a manual on good management. > > > The World Bank could get solid management from U.S. Treasury UndersecretaryF > John Taylor, a man too straight to be sold British Chancellor of theH > Exchequer Gordon Brown's fiscally curious scheme for doubling aid now=  by F > mortgaging tomorrow's aid budgets, or from Harvard's Kenneth Rogoff. > E > Then there is Bill Clinton, who is looking for a job, and Mr. BrownM
 > himself, > who may be looking for a job.o >n > ; > ---------------------------------------------------------l9 > This editorial appeared yesterday in The Times, London.h >d >r > --2 > OpenVMS - The operating system the public forgot >=   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:24:55 +0000 (UTC)< From: "Graeme Houston" <graemebrett.houston@btopenworld.com> Subject: RMS API2 Message-ID: <d0a5l6$1i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com>   Hi allI can anyone tell me where to find api specification for RMS under VMS esp 1/ using "C", i have been googling but to no availe   thanks graeme houston e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:05:38 GMTn% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>M Subject: Re: RMS API; Message-ID: <Sr1Wd.5845$DW.4437@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>I  H "Graeme Houston" <graemebrett.houston@btopenworld.com> wrote in message , news:d0a5l6$1i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com... > Hi allK > can anyone tell me where to find api specification for RMS under VMS esp s1 > using "C", i have been googling but to no availl   OpenVMS Documentation is at:  - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82_index.htmle   RMS Specific info is at:  8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4523/4523PRO.HTML7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6027/6027PRO.HTMLl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:33:39 +0100t0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: RMS APIB Message-ID: <4228aa04$0$24941$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Graeme Houston wrote:l   > Hi allK > can anyone tell me where to find api specification for RMS under VMS esp  1 > using "C", i have been googling but to no availh >  > thanks > graeme houston B >  >   " C User's Guide for OpenVMS Systems (See Chapter 2) < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/5492PROFILE.html2 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/ug.pdf  3 OpenVMS Record Management Services Reference Manuald (See especially chapter 3)8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4523/4523PRO.HTMLI http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_RMS.PDFn  7 C Run-Time Library Reference Manual for OpenVMS SystemsiI http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/5763/5763pro_008.html#rms_from_rtlaH http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/aa-rsmub-te.PDF     OpenVMS I/O User's ReferenceC http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-pv6sf-tk/aa-pv6sf-tk.HTMlg   Cheers!a   K.C.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:32:01 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> E Subject: Warren, any way to find out when this page was last updated?u, Message-ID: <9LmdnWGbYcvJ_rXfRVn-qQ@igs.net>  / http://h20198.www2.hp.com/partner/partBene.html:     --D OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style......they're just never marketed   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:49:44 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? ) Message-ID: <d0a02n$3c6$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>u  p In article <OFB722AD03.EBF04468-ON85256FB9.00722BEE-85256FB9.0072DD96@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:? >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote on 03/03/2005 01:50:03 PM:o >lE >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:38:07 -0500, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:f >>H >> > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to >> > reply) % >> > wrote on 03/02/2005 05:09:10 PM:r >> >< >> >> In article <38lkqfF5os0vvU1@individual.net>, Roy Omond+ >> >> <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:m >> >> C >I happen to have a 2-Alpha, 1-Vax cluster right now, and I want tot
 >deinstallK >the VAX, so I am struggling with just this quorum issue.  It is a bit of ac6 >waste to dedicate a 72GB disk to quorum, for example. >M  . You don't have to dedicate any disk to quorum.L VMS doesn't need the quorum disk to be dedicated. It will be perfectly happyK for you to mount the disk and put data on it as long as there is space for / the very small quorum.dat file.   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex university   >> >> --lF >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:36:23 GMTh! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>eE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?)8 Message-ID: <pn1h21hag36g5ijq6ov2thefnvr788dgcj@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:49:44 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  q >In article <OFB722AD03.EBF04468-ON85256FB9.00722BEE-85256FB9.0072DD96@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:o@ >>"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote on 03/03/2005 01:50:03 PM: >>F >>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:38:07 -0500, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote: >>>iI >>> > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES tod >>> > reply)& >>> > wrote on 03/02/2005 05:09:10 PM: >>> >t= >>> >> In article <38lkqfF5os0vvU1@individual.net>, Roy OmondL, >>> >> <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes: >>> >>D >>I happen to have a 2-Alpha, 1-Vax cluster right now, and I want to >>deinstalluL >>the VAX, so I am struggling with just this quorum issue.  It is a bit of a7 >>waste to dedicate a 72GB disk to quorum, for example.  >> >u/ >You don't have to dedicate any disk to quorum.eM >VMS doesn't need the quorum disk to be dedicated. It will be perfectly happy L >for you to mount the disk and put data on it as long as there is space for   >the very small quorum.dat file.  7 The downside is that you cannot shadow the quorum disk.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurc   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.126 ************************