1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 05 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 127       Contents: a little help pleaseP Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and P Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and P Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and P Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and P Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re:Fiorina and T  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?! Re: CMS Library Creation Question ! Re: CMS Library Creation Question  Curly gets a bonus Re: Curly gets a bonus& Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance  Re: DECC floating point question# Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle 1 Gartner: Customer-service outsourcing often fails 5 Re: Gartner: Customer-service outsourcing often fails 
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Morgan Chase slowaris conversion nightmare!0 Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJ& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson New OpenVMS-Integrity Video / NoListen Process Creation...Service - Mount (?) / NoListen Process Creation...Service - Mount (?) 3 Re: NoListen Process Creation...Service - Mount (?) E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax 3 Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line  Re: RMS API  Re: RMS API  Re: RMS API @ Re: Warren, any way to find out when this page was last updated?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?+ Re: [WG-users]FBX Authenticating from Linux   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:28:10 -0800  From: dark.kitty@verizon.net Subject: a little help please C Message-ID: <1109968090.905871.102460@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   D i know this is considered "spam" but i am super poor and this is theG only way i can afford to get new stuff. hell, i don't even know if this   F is actually a real thing (although a local fox news station did say itF was legit) but i figured, what they hell - everything on there is a noG obligation thing, which means it's FREE. so if you are bored or want to   E get an ipod like i do without paying a couple hundred bucks, try this % out. if not, just ignore the message.      sorry if i offended anyone.     G Here is my referral link. To help me get my iPod, click this exact link   - to join, or copy and paste it into a browser:     $ http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=15695190   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:39:11 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) Y Subject: Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and  1 Message-ID: <zP2Wd.1007$r26.177@news.cpqcorp.net>   E In article <OF2B7D709A.11AD31B8-ON85256FBA.005C20BE-85256FBA.005D885B   norm.raphael@metso.com writes:   K >hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 03/04/2005 09:43:25   ? >> We should follow the U S constitution and vote for ELECTORS. = >> They should NOT be pledged to a particular cadidate with a 3 >> "winner takes all" vote by state.  (most states)  > B >I do not think the current paradigm is unconstitutional.  Do you?  & I do not think it is unconstitutional.P I do think it does NOT implement the intent of those who wrote the constitution.@ I think their inten (at least in this instance) was better than  what we have today.   N >You might as well put the election back into the house of representatives ...   And this is bad because???  E It seems at least as good as the last two results.  (Especially 2000)   H As for not knowing what the looser may have done...  I hate to say this,G but the loose would probably have been carried along by events and done F more or less the same as the winner.  I submit that if Al Gore and wonG the flip of the co... Ah, I mena the election in 2000 we would still be H in Iraq today.  With a different cast of characters and, or course, the E supporters and opponents or our doing so would, for the most part, be F on the opposite side, but we'd be there.  This is not an issue/problem- driven by a particular individual's politics.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:18:43 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and  Q Message-ID: <OFB2455AA2.CD6BCDCF-ON85256FBA.006F5CE1-85256FBA.006FD6A6@metso.com>   J hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 03/04/2005 02:39:11 PM:   G > In article <OF2B7D709A.11AD31B8-ON85256FBA.005C20BE-85256FBA.005D885B ! >  norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  > D > >hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 03/04/2005 09:43:25 > A > >> We should follow the U S constitution and vote for ELECTORS. ? > >> They should NOT be pledged to a particular cadidate with a 5 > >> "winner takes all" vote by state.  (most states)  > > D > >I do not think the current paradigm is unconstitutional.  Do you? > ( > I do not think it is unconstitutional.D > I do think it does NOT implement the intent of those who wrote the > constitution. A > I think their inten (at least in this instance) was better than  > what we have today.  > < > >You might as well put the election back into the house of representatives ...  >  > And this is bad because???G > It seems at least as good as the last two results.  (Especially 2000)  > J > As for not knowing what the looser may have done...  I hate to say this,I > but the loose would probably have been carried along by events and done H > more or less the same as the winner.  I submit that if Al Gore and wonI > the flip of the co... Ah, I mena the election in 2000 we would still be I > in Iraq today.  With a different cast of characters and, or course, the G > supporters and opponents or our doing so would, for the most part, be H > on the opposite side, but we'd be there.  This is not an issue/problem/ > driven by a particular individual's politics.   H Ah, I get it.  Kismet!  GWB ISTM cannot execute a mid-course correction,K because his course has been set via divine guidance.  OTOH Robert McNamarra G also could not for whatever reason stop the "tide in the affairs of men  that, taken at the flood" did not lead to victory.  % So we might as well go out and party.    >  > --G >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USA H >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)@ >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:01:11 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) Y Subject: Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and  / Message-ID: <HU4Wd.1023$t66.6@news.cpqcorp.net>   R In article <OFB2455AA2.CD6BCDCF-ON85256FBA.006F5CE1-85256FBA.006FD6A6@metso.com>,  norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  & >So we might as well go out and party.  - Always a good and non-partisan idea!  <smile>    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:45:50 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re: Fiorina and  , Message-ID: <JZCdnZuDYZSTSrXfRVn-tQ@igs.net>   Bill Todd wrote: > H > I'd be for trying it, anyway:  the current system certainly sucks, andG > it's difficult to see this being a change for the worse (and it might H > be a bit better, though other changes/reforms would in my opinion have > higher priority).     H Perhaps changing this (see link) would rate as the highest reform of theL current 'system' - arbitrary imprisonment - the disease of absolute monarchs and dictators.  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=742&e=1&u=/usatoday/2005030= 4/cm_usatoday/padillasindefinitedetentionputsyourrightsatrisk      --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:57:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Broken democracy - still better than the other systems (was Re:Fiorina and T B Message-ID: <1109969072.dc75836f754f358e36f23d2efe4e9bf9@teranews>   Bill Todd wrote:H > Among other things, this would dilute the current tendency to campaign< > seriously only in states perceived as being up for grabs.   F While from a democratic and "big picture" points of view, proportionalG representation in the electoral college is good, many states would lose  on this.  G Consider Ohio and Florida, two very key states.  Because they hold such A big all-or-nothing block of electoral college votes, these states C actually wield more power than if they had proportional power which D would make the state "neutral" at the electoral college. And becauseF they are more or less evenly divided, the parties fight tooth and nailE to gain each vote because they know that a few extra individual votes F can result in a dramatic change at the electroral collage. (as was the case in florida in 2000).   F In the USA, electoral strategies are focused on stealing votes. When aF state such as Ohio is 49% vs 51%, the party with 51% steals the 49% ofB the other party's votes in the electroral college. So you focus onD states where you have the chance to steal the most electrioral votesE from the other party. Hence Ohio and Florida are such key states, and H California or Texas are not. If you are at 30% in Texas, it is pointlessE to campaign there because you will not get anything out of it even if  you increase your share to 45%.   B If the USA mandated proportional reporesentation at the electroralA college, USA elections would change dramatically because all of a C sudden, Democrats campaigning in Texas or Republicans in California G would yield real results at the electoral college, and all states would 6 become hard battlegrounds since each vote would count.    F Where that is, in my opinion, the biggest (and by far) flaw in the USAD system is that the losing party remains without a leader until a fewG months before the next election. This means that for each election, you B get a candidate which has not had much of a chance to show himself except during a campaign.   C Let say Hillary were to be the leader of the democrats in 2008. You H won't hear much from her, and she won't be the main spokesperson for theF democrats during the next 4 years. She pops out in february of 2008 inF campaign mode with speeches and appearances. But you won't see how she behaves as a leader of a party.   E Lets take Kerry as anothert example. Had Kerry been the leader of the G democratic party between 2001 and 2004, then americans would have had a D much better idea of his stand on terrorism, iraq, patriot act and heG would be held responsible for his party's decision to support or oppose E certain decisions. But because the party was without effective leader E during thsi period, nobody is resposible for whatever the party stood F for or against. So when Kerry wanted to be president, americans reallyE had no clue on what the guy was like as a leader, and the "flip flop" F was easy to coin on anyone, since as w hole , the democratioc part was3 without any position or opposition for that matter.   D The USA was not a democratic country during those 4 years because itE lacked effective opposition to the government. (both at the political  and media levels).  H Are there other countries in the world who tolerate the opposition beingF without effective clear leader for so long ? Even in dictatorships, he= opposition usually have a clear leader (usually in prison :-)       G Another problem with the USA political system are the primaries. In teh E days of horse drawn carriages, it made sense to have candidates spent H time in one state, have the decision made in that state and then move onF to other states. The other states wouldn't really know what would have" transpired in that previous state.  ? But in this day an age of jets and television, having the votes G staggered is a real mistake. The minute one state starts a "trend", the H others states then vote to strenghten that trend. All states should vote. at the same time to elect a leader of a party.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 13:05:42 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? 3 Message-ID: <UqEUtkSEge6y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <Se1Wd.2754$Ny6.4823@mencken.net.nih.gov>, "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov> writes:9 > Is there any way to change the MAC address on a DE500B?  > G > Here's my situation.  I have a single critical application (a license H > manager called flexlm) running on an old DEC 3000-500S whose I/O boardN > crumped.  Front panel countdown stops at F0.  I would dearly love to migrateM > this application to a newer Alpha, but the application queries the ethernet F > hardware for it's MAC address to determine that it is running on theL > originally-licensed node.  It then serves licenses to 2 other applications+ > on 8 other Alphas which are still in use.  > L > The other applications are Research Systems IDL, and The Mathworks MATLAB.M > Both companies have long ago de-supported VMS and refuse to give me updated @ > license data files to enable a move of flexlm to another node.  A    Back when we used flexlm, it used the MAC address after DECnet H    changed it.  So if you're running DECnet, set the new system's DECnet:    address to the same as the old system's DECnet address.  F    And yes, you can change the MAC address.  See the I/O User's Guide.#    It's the same thing DECnet does.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:31:56 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? 2 Message-ID: <05030413315673_27800279@antinode.org>  ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   C >    Back when we used flexlm, it used the MAC address after DECnet J >    changed it.  So if you're running DECnet, set the new system's DECnet< >    address to the same as the old system's DECnet address.  F    Really?  I'd've figured that it would've used the hardware address,E which is not so easy to change.  Might have been the vendor's choice, H too.  (Ah, for the days of the DEQNA/DELQA, with the ID PROM in a socket/ which could easily be moved from card to card.)   B    I assume that there's something programable on the newer cards,G though I don't know if it can be re-written, and I don't know of a tool  which does it.  H    There was an EZWORKS (PC) utility for these cards, and I believe thatE it displayed the hardware address, but I wouldn't want to bet that it E let you change it.  I once bought one of these cards new-in-box, so I D probably still have the floppies somewhere.  If someone would like aH BACKUP /PHYSICAL image or something, let me know and I'll see what I can  do.  (Or check ftp.digital.com.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:44:25 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? + Message-ID: <d0adqp$1ha$1@news01.intel.com>    Jonathan Boswell wrote: 9 > Is there any way to change the MAC address on a DE500B?  > G > Here's my situation.  I have a single critical application (a license H > manager called flexlm) running on an old DEC 3000-500S whose I/O boardN > crumped.  Front panel countdown stops at F0.  I would dearly love to migrateM > this application to a newer Alpha, but the application queries the ethernet F > hardware for it's MAC address to determine that it is running on theL > originally-licensed node.  It then serves licenses to 2 other applications+ > on 8 other Alphas which are still in use.  > L > The other applications are Research Systems IDL, and The Mathworks MATLAB.M > Both companies have long ago de-supported VMS and refuse to give me updated @ > license data files to enable a move of flexlm to another node.    @      If Bob's answer doesn't solve it for you (no DECNET on this= interface), I seem to recall that NICs used to have a plug-in @ "chip" that carries the MAC address.  This was certainly true of8 older NICs.  I don't know if it's the case with DE500's.  ?      OTOH, if the NIC is built-in, it may not have one of these > pluggable chips.  Do look the hardware over for something with0 a sticker on it that reads like a MAC address...   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? ( Message-ID: <d0ahi9$bku$1@pcls4.std.com>  4 "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov> writes:  8 >Is there any way to change the MAC address on a DE500B?  = As others mentioned, you probably have to change the hardware  address.  > The ID ROM on the older ethernet interfaces was a 14 or 16 pin? DIP package.  Not sure exactly what a DEC 3000-500 had but most  likely one of these.  B Looking at a DE500A card I see no such DIP.  They most likely used smaller packages by then.   D Looking at an older DE435 card I do see such a DIP package (16 pin).# Not sure if this is the ROM or not.   J If it is, perhaps you can remove the ROM from the old computer and replaceH it on a DE435/DE450 or similar and use it.  The cards are PCI so should H work.  They are only 10Mb Ethernet however.  You will either have to putE up with that or somehow convince the licensed software to use it (it  E probably uses the 'first' device) and everything else to use a faster  interface like the DE500.  --   -Mike    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:42:18 -05002 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? 5 Message-ID: <kD4Wd.2761$Ny6.4399@mencken.net.nih.gov>   H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:UqEUtkSEge6y@eisner.encompasserve.org... C >    Back when we used flexlm, it used the MAC address after DECnet  >    changed it.  I IIRC, the numbers I sent to Research Systems and Mathworks many years ago  was the output of the   ) $ mcr ncp show known line characteristics   E command, "Hardware address" in particular.  You will notice that this I address does not change when DECnet comes up.  I don't even know what you * call that address after DECnet changes it.  J Regarding moving this MAC address, indeed the old beast does have a 16 pinK socketed DIP "chip" that says "Ethernet" on it.  I've already looked in all A my newer machines and I'm out of luck.  The closest I came was an H Alphaserver 2100 DE-something with some sort of flat-pack "chip" on it'sB Ethernet board.  Everthing else has no socketed components at all.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:31:29 -0800 " From: Crabs <spamsucks@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? / Message-ID: <iNCdnWWDyvte37TfRVn-3g@sunset.net>    Jonathan Boswell wrote: 9 > Is there any way to change the MAC address on a DE500B?  > G > Here's my situation.  I have a single critical application (a license H > manager called flexlm) running on an old DEC 3000-500S whose I/O boardN > crumped.  Front panel countdown stops at F0.  I would dearly love to migrateM > this application to a newer Alpha, but the application queries the ethernet F > hardware for it's MAC address to determine that it is running on theL > originally-licensed node.  It then serves licenses to 2 other applications+ > on 8 other Alphas which are still in use.  > L > The other applications are Research Systems IDL, and The Mathworks MATLAB.M > Both companies have long ago de-supported VMS and refuse to give me updated @ > license data files to enable a move of flexlm to another node. >  > 	 Jonathan:   H It is possible and actually quite simple to re-write the MAC address of I the DE500 card.  What you need is the SROM programming tool kit from the  2 old Digital Semiconductor FTP site, here's a link:o http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/networks-and-communications/software/dsc-software-nc.html - Scroll down to the SROM programming tool kit. G Download and copy all the files to a Windows formatted bootable floppy  G disk. Place the DE500 card in a Windows 95/98/2000 system then boot to  H the floppy. Use SROMUTIL to read the existing information on the DE500, E write it to a yourfilename.txt file.  Edit the ADDR.LOG file, insert  I whatever address you want. Then invoke SROMPROD /address=yourfilename.txt I When prompted if you want to retain the existing address, answer no.  It  9 write the MAC address from the ADDR.LOG file to the card.    TomC  
 Good luck!   TomC   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:58:51 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? 2 Message-ID: <05030423585164_27800279@antinode.org>  " From: Crabs <spamsucks@nospam.com>  @ > [...] What you need is the SROM programming tool kit from the 4 > old Digital Semiconductor FTP site, here's a link:q > http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/networks-and-communications/software/dsc-software-nc.html   D    And once you know the key word ("SROM"), it's also pretty easy to find it at Intel:   :       http://www.intel.com/design/network/drivers/#support   And their URL is shorter.       SMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:57:03 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question3 Message-ID: <sn9dIRaX9C2Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <4227dfcd.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:  D > AFAIK, CMS is flat, i.e. doesn't have the capability to directory-G > structure libraries. Nor can libraries be nested. You'll have to have + > one CMS library for every directory path.   C    You can set up a tree of directories, just like the OP drew, and @    then a CMS library under each directory.  Each CMS library is3    flat, but the result is a tree of CMS libraries.   *    We've done this and it works just fine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:16:00 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) * Subject: Re: CMS Library Creation Question1 Message-ID: <4m3Wd.1012$O46.593@news.cpqcorp.net>   h In article <RDPVd.325$5m.34614@twister.southeast.rr.com>, david-m-jones@nospam.net (David Jones) writes:G :I need to create a CMS library that looks like the following directory  :structure:   C   CMS assumes a flat directory structure for constructs such as its B   reference library; you'll end up with multiple CMS libraries, orE   a multiple libraries and the Freeware tool VDE or other such; tools .   to manage a herd of CMS libraries as a unit.  E   Some applications will isolate source code by the target directory, E   and some by the aggregate function or other such organization.  You ?   might see a per-directory CMS library, or you might see a CMS A   library for a function or module or -- in terminology used here E   within OpenVMS engineering -- facility.  OpenVMS divides the source D   code by function, rather than by target directory -- well over 300E   CMS libraries (facilities) are used to contain and to build OpenVMS    Alpha itself, for instance.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:37:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Curly gets a bonus B Message-ID: <1109971483.2bd8cdcc186791c3886a6ca2dcd090ab@teranews>   ##C Michael Capellas, CEO of MCI, is getting a $5 million bonus for his F performance in 2004, according to a Securities and Exchange CommissionH filing on Friday. The incentive bonus is in addition to his $1.5 millionD salary and $1.5 million bonus for 2004. The filing also said he will: receive 357,241 shares of restricted stock in the company. ##    : So Curly gets a bonus for finding a buyer for the company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:57:15 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Curly gets a bonus 0 Message-ID: <112i0ekec64pf6a@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > ##E > Michael Capellas, CEO of MCI, is getting a $5 million bonus for his H > performance in 2004, according to a Securities and Exchange CommissionJ > filing on Friday. The incentive bonus is in addition to his $1.5 millionF > salary and $1.5 million bonus for 2004. The filing also said he will< > receive 357,241 shares of restricted stock in the company. > ## >  > < > So Curly gets a bonus for finding a buyer for the company.   He's making a career of that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:22:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance B Message-ID: <1109963420.f7ea73c490f0254d039eeed21e385fc2@teranews>   FredK wrote:C >     and string terminator).  DECterm is a ANSI COMPLIANT EMULATOR K >     and you are feeding it garbage.  Nothing is hung.  It is just waiting ( >     for you to terminate the sequence.    C Ahh ! that is why. I always wondered why the terminal would "hang". H Wuith DECterm, you can "reset terminal", and on a real VT, you can reset? comms to unfreeze a terminal that is, as you say "waiting for a  terminating seuqence.     D When I was at uni, I had written a fiull screen editor on a CybernexG XL87 terminal over dialup 300 baud line (the terminal operated in local A mode, and upon pressing a pf key, the software would then ask the H terminal to download ether the current line or the whole screen). At oneF point, I got a glitch and the keyboard locked, and I had typed in someF really uimportant stuff. So I called a friend and asked him to send meH and escape sequence over the line to unlock my terminal :-) (Think of it  as a tow truck for terminals :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:25:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: DECC floating point question B Message-ID: <1109967191.6cf7a5fb8f1ffb9acffe0ca8f08db308@teranews>  D As an aside, on my Garmin GPS, latitude and longitudes are stored asE integers. They divided the circumference of the earth in semi-circles D that fit 32 bit integers, giving an accuracy of more than one metre.  F Interestingly when you download the satelite's almanach (which definesD each of the GPS satellite's orbit), the numbers are on IEEE floating
 point format.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:45:22 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <GxEQ0XfYYbri@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <112f318hh17t724@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > C > Not so, each gets zero votes, I write in myself, become the next  J > president, Bill Todd tries to assassinate me, but I'm pre-warned, a new F > law gets passed that computer systems must be as secure as VMS, all 4 > federal systems must be VMS, running on VAX, .....  +    No, really, I want mine on an EV8.	  8-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:18:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter PrincipleB Message-ID: <1109963139.29146b0a3a9f546426ff2141095a5faa@teranews>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:   E > The more likely scenario would be her demanding that it immediately  > migrate to Windows.   E Seriously, I am not sure sure about that. It is *possible* that a CEO H such as Carly might not want windows for her own really important stuff,? but when in public, has to toe the trendy line and been seen as G supporting Bill Gates because the relationship between HP and Gartes is F very important if HP hopes to compete against Dell. When $1 matters inF total wintel cost, being able to negotiate with Gates a $1 discount on> Windows for a high volume of wintel boxes is fairly important.  G Once free from gates, Fiorina *MAY* be able to better choose technology 7 and lose her apparent bias for low quality wintel crap.   E Note: that this is all "may" and "possibly". If she is convinced that G Wintel will eciscerate the underbelly of everything else, and that what E Wintel won't get, Linux will get, then she will work to dump anything $ not Wintel aod Linux at her new job.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:59:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter PrincipleB Message-ID: <1109965626.83aed881b57ac6171afd63eea1223b36@teranews>   Charlie Hammond wrote:G > "none of the above".  I think that a vote for a third party candidate F > sends a clearer message that the Democrates and Republicans are both > wrong.  E This applies to more than just in the USA. But one has to make a very  local decisions about this.   H I am in a riding where the Liberals are sure to win. Even if I want themE to win, it is to my advantage to vote for another candidate to reduce E the Liberal's majority in our riding. This way, the winning candidate F knows he may not be a shoe in at next election and work harder and notG take our riding for granted. And your selection of a 3rd candiates then D sends the elected guy a message of which direction he should "lean".  G However, if you are in a location where the 2 main candidates are truly D neck and neck, then voting for a 3rd candidate is not good. You mustF vote for the lesser of the 2 main evils, otherwise the bigger evil may get elected.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:21:12 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>, Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle+ Message-ID: <YX6Wd.22318$QQ3.3719@trnddc02>    Bob Koehler wrote:\ > In article <112f318hh17t724@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > C >>Not so, each gets zero votes, I write in myself, become the next 2J >>president, Bill Todd tries to assassinate me, but I'm pre-warned, a new F >>law gets passed that computer systems must be as secure as VMS, all 4 >>federal systems must be VMS, running on VAX, ..... >  > - >    No, really, I want mine on an EV8.	  8-)h  = New Alpha advertising slogan:  "I could have had an EV8"  :-)-   -- b John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:47:22 -0000n1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) : Subject: Gartner: Customer-service outsourcing often fails1 Message-ID: <960FAA144wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>e  L Carly's plan to outsource phone support may have come before the votes were  in:a  L "In fact, the Stamford, Conn.-based research company predicted that through L 2007, some 80% of organizations that outsource customer-service projects to  cut costs will fail."   K http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/outsourcing/story/0,10801,100  203,00.htmln   (url wrap!)r   ws   -- e Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 15:55:05 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.come> Subject: Re: Gartner: Customer-service outsourcing often failsC Message-ID: <1109980505.223241.291990@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>W  4 anyone business who needs gartner to figure that one2 out for them will not be in business very long ...   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:47:09 -0600w; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: get a VAX3 Message-ID: <doit5aJg8l9o@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ] In article <4%ZVd.979$6H5.851@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:i > I > I suspect that this is all understanding the alchemy of floating point,oK > which I do not claim to.  I believe that in this case, VAX floating point @ > by default rounds up, and IEEE rounds down.  There are various" > mechanisms to set the mode IIRC.  G    No, rounding does not depend on the floating point format.  Accuracye    does.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:51:58 -0800,# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o Subject: Re: get a VAX( Message-ID: <opsm4mow1mzgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:44:03 +0000, John Laird  # <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:a  I > On 3 Mar 2005 13:30:47 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org  a > (Bob > Koehler) wrote:h >tH >> In article <1109819906.558841.250000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  " >> damnihatethat@gmail.com writes: >>> #include <stdio.h> >>>r
 >>> main() >>> {t >>>h >>>   double odds1 = 2.75; >>>   double odds2 = 2.30; >>>   double result; >>>   unsigned int temp; >>>  >>>   result = odds1 * odds2;e/ >>>   temp = (unsigned int) (result * 10000.0);f" >>>   printf("temp = %d\n", temp); >>>  >>> }t >>G >>   Note that VAX G float and IEEE both produce 63249, but VAX D floatn4 >>   produces 63250 (on a VAX, but not on an Alpha). >>I >>   So the problem is those few significant bits that are missing if you-3 >>   don't store _and_ calculate using VAX D float.0 > H > The number 2.3 cannot be represented exactly, but instead appears as aH > recurring binary fraction.  The answer ("6.325") is also a recurring   > numberI > (2.75 can be stored exactly), so it should not be surprising that the  t > lossF > of even 1 bit of mantissa may be significant.  I entered the FortranK > equivalent and then manually patched the least significant byte of resulteC > from 102 to 101.  It then reports as 6.324999999999972 instead ofFK > 6.325000000000000.  Granted this is in D_FLOATING, but it illustrates thea > principle.  I Well, I have said it before, and I repeat, that if you need to do decimalfK arithmetic, then use a language that supports.  And if you don't understandh= how arithmetic works in the language are using, don't use it.      >tJ > The result *could* even be sensitive to whether the mantissa contains anK > even or odd number of bits rather than the absolute number, but I confessHE > I've not thought that right through (using REAL*16 gets you 63249  y > however).: >oK > It is perturbing that Vax and Alpha differ, for native VMS floating-point<# > work, but that may be documented.B >5       -- 8C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/m   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:53:14 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d Subject: Re: get a VAX3 Message-ID: <2oMufQ3PhubJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  ] In article <3v1Wd.992$J%5.297@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: K > I believe that there is lots of documentation.  I also believe that whileeH > you can tell the compilers to use VAX floating on Alpha, the actual FP2 > calculations are done in IEEE with a conversion.  D    No.  VAX F and G float calculations are done in F and G float.  DG    float calculations are done in G float.   IEEE calculations are onlyo    done for IEEE data types.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:01:26 +0000h- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>h Subject: Re: get a VAX8 Message-ID: <khfh21pevn4s57cqlig8dtbmgr74qok7ok@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:51:58 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  J >Well, I have said it before, and I repeat, that if you need to do decimalL >arithmetic, then use a language that supports.  And if you don't understand> >how arithmetic works in the language are using, don't use it.  D I trust you are using the impersonal "you" - I'm amply versed in the0 suitable matches of language with needs, thanks.   -- m I dont nead no speling cheker!     Mail john rather than nospam...m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:46:38 -0800n# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>- Subject: Re: get a VAX( Message-ID: <opsm4rz0gszgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:01:26 +0000, John Laird  # <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:t  J > On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:51:58 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >0F >> Well, I have said it before, and I repeat, that if you need to do  
 >> decimalE >> arithmetic, then use a language that supports.  And if you don't  B
 >> understand5@ >> how arithmetic works in the language are using, don't use it. >hF > I trust you are using the impersonal "you" - I'm amply versed in the2 > suitable matches of language with needs, thanks. >v Yes, of course.        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:00:09 -0600n2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?o) Message-ID: <422920B9.E85151@comcast.net>o   David J Dachtera wrote:  >  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: 
 > > [snip]K > > Have you considered PAWZ from http://www.perfcap.com who did ECP beforet, > > they were exiled to the wilds of Nashua. > G > I looked at that URL and chanced upon mention of a PSPA$READ image. I J > was intrigued. Last I saw of PAWZ, it was WhineBloze GUI only and sorely
 > lacking. > G > Is anyone using PAWZ's VMS-side reporting capability to emulate SPM'so' > and/or PSPA's ASCII histogram output?e > I > (Hint: Notice that I keep repeating "ASCII histogram". That's your clue  > as to what I'm looking for.)   Roger Brown:F Private e-mail to your hotmail address failed. So, I'm posting it here
 instead...  E You'll want to look at the CSVPNG program that OpenVMS Engineering isn making available as a freebie.  A However, in both cases, I need a web (http) server running on thedH machine where the graphs are stored so they can be viewed/printed from aF browser. Or, at the very least, if the program provides a .HTM(L) fileE as courtesy (as CSVPNG does), it *MUST* customizable so that my userst+ can access the graphs via a link like this:e   ftp://username@node.domain.tld/   G Browsers can handle that without the other end running a dedicated http C server (with the caveat that IE may need to be tweaked to provide ahB traditional view of an FTP listing, not the "as a web page" view).E CSVPNG does not (currently) provide the option to customize the HTML.   @ In order to get to the future, I must go back to the past - FULLF AUTOMATION: stuff that runs in batch and leaves results on the printerF so the operator can stick it in the manager's mailslot so (s)he has it$ first thing every (Monday?) morning.  G Have we really lost so much that we can't even do anything as simple asE *THAT* anymore?A   -- . David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:-" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:49:32 -06002- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: HP Advocacy polle3 Message-ID: <YTICEphtQ9jV@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  c In article <Hn0Wd.5820$DW.5563@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:nN > The latest HP Advocacy poll at http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/index.cfm asks: > M > "Which of the following server operating systems do you anticipate running hB > as a primary platform in two years time? Select all that apply." > ? > Right now, OpenVMS is leading all others (including Windows).e   What would you expect ?a  E Or would Windows people would interpret it as allowing reboots... :-)p   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 23:42:30 GMT0( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP Advocacy poll , Message-ID: <38sa36F5p7vr6U1@individual.net>  ; In article <Hn0Wd.5820$DW.5563@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,5( 	"John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:N > The latest HP Advocacy poll at http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/index.cfm asks: > M > "Which of the following server operating systems do you anticipate running eB > as a primary platform in two years time? Select all that apply." > ? > Right now, OpenVMS is leading all others (including Windows).t >   = That's called stuffing the ballot box and it's also why theseb polls are totally worthless.   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 19:54:28 -0800a$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>! Subject: HP Web Site Slow Lately? C Message-ID: <1109994868.665159.260930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>e  E Is it just me, or is the HP Web site kind of really slow lately (lastt couple of days or so)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:35:27 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>n% Subject: Re: HP Web Site Slow Lately?hB Message-ID: <1110003787.bbf01d5a4d26ba4feeee2ecec1770fee@teranews>  
 AEF wrote: > G > Is it just me, or is the HP Web site kind of really slow lately (lastt > couple of days or so)?  E They've put back the 1 pixel gif images to set background of the left A column, instead of learning that html has a tag to set backgroundaE colour. This is especially slow when you are scrolling up because therG browser has to start painiting the white pixel from the top of the pageiF down to where you are so that the tiling will be correct. (the purposeK of background images is to tile larger images, not to set a stupid colour).l  H HP is blatantly stupid for having such poor web standards and shows  itsD incompetance in web sdesign, certaintly not a good advertising if HPA wants to sell web desitgn services as part of its consulting arm.A (simiular to its SAP flop).a   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 16:11:01 -0800t From: bob@instantwhip.comc9 Subject: J.P. Morgan Chase slowaris conversion nightmare! C Message-ID: <1109981461.798962.226570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>r  / after merging w/Bank One they have been mergingo1 systems the last month from BSD to Slowaris 8 ...m/ ACH and ARP files have to be converted manuallyx1 on the old system because the new system has beenp0 spitting out garbage ... workers are under great. stress to make this work and have had numerous. problems ... one of which has been PGP and GPG0 conversions ... like I told their guru, freeware0 is free, but when it doesn't work you can't just1 call the author and tell him to fix it ... if youq0 can still find him, he can tell you he'll fix it when he has time ...   Lesson 1  0 Supported software may cost money but someone is. there on the phone to get instant support from- instead of creating irate customers who can't  get their bank transfers thru   / I told them about how easy our vax to alpha vms , conversion was, and how easy itanium will be/ with just a compile and go ... he said he envys  us ...   Lesson 2   YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!u   so FREE DOESN'T MEAN FREE!   quote of the day ...  . I said "Well at least unix/linux/windoze gives you job security" ...e  % he says "if it doesn't kill me first"o   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 17:02:04 -0800 3 From: "sanjeev  iyengar" <sanjeeviyengar@gmail.com>u9 Subject: Re: Need A VAX VMS developer for my client in NJsA Message-ID: <1109983333.732880.5530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   & send email to sanjeev at lekha dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 11:01:34 -0800, From: icerq4a@spray.se/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsoniC Message-ID: <1109960098.026891.198620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>s   Bill Todd wrote: > Tom Linden wrote:e; > > On 4 Mar 2005 06:26:54 -0800, <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote:e >  > ...d >lC > >> It is not irrelevant. It _is_ the reason why it can outperformn anything+ > >> out there in large system scalability.  >s< > POWER5 scales just as linearly as EV7 and with far greater performance,E > right up to 64 cores (yes, EV7 reportedly scales to 128, though I'm1 not40 > sure that's a supported system configuration).  C OK, I was a bit too strong there, but atleast it was superior for agG while and POWER5 has lots of more cache to reduce the memory traffic onNG the system which helps. I also think the EV7 system is more elegant and> most likely costs less.w  @ Yes, EV7 scales to 128, but they (HP) have only announced 64 CPUF systems, but I recall someone said that you could ask HP if you really wanted a 128-way system.  A For Itaniums sake, Compaq came in too late with it's Alpha system E technology, HP had already settled the IA64 system designs which werelF aligned with HP's PA-RISC system bus. An Itanium today with EV7 system, bus would have been better for HP and Intel.   >   No one can even touch it's7 > >> memory performance, both in latency and bandwidth.r >pA > Actually, Opteron's latency is a lot better (though, obviously,a limitedm > to small systems).  = Yes, but I wonder if the loaded latency is as good as on EV7.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:29:29 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>i/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsoniB Message-ID: <1109963819.b797414a786315f80b1248840e685014@teranews>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:   tB > No one is surprised but nevetheless it is doing pretty well now.  N Intel has put in tons of money and raw force to get IA64 to where it is today.  > For a low volume chip, the resources needed to make it work at  acceptabvle speed are enourmous.  @ Cosnider a statement from Mr Reagan about how the compilers findE themselves having to insert NOOPs to fill some groups of opcodes, andpC how each opcode is huge. Intel gets around this design "feature" bytC adding oddles of cache memory. So, to achieve adequate performance,DA Intel has to spenmd more money than others need to spend on other  platforms, including the 8086.  F So, from a business point of view, if you spend inordinates amounts ofH money for a low volume chip no customer really wants at the same time asA you are bringng yoru high volume 8086 up there in performance andtD features, does it really make sense to continue this low volume chip  that require so many resources ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 11:34:40 -0800d* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson C Message-ID: <1109964880.609279.294230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F > It may be because I have for, I think, a decade, mainly seen Itanium as< > a HP chip as a replacement for their PA-RISC architecture.  E Where I formerly worked VMS is virtually all gone. As far as other HPaB products are concerned the large number of HP PA-RISC workstationsE (supported by a smaller number of HP PA-RISC multi-processor servers)SF will be replaced soon. And it wont be with PA-RISC or already eol'd HPC Itanium workstations. Does anyone really think the back end servers-G will migrate to Itanium after that? HP has dropped Itanium wokstations.mG PA-RISC is a dead end. Without HP workstations HP Itanium servers are a E dead end at my former employer. And I'm sure many, many other places.s  B Things look to me just like 2 years before the official Alphacide. Where that leaves VMS...  D > In no press release after 1997, I am not sure about earlier, Intel usedG > desktop as a target for Merced/Itanium. The architecture was targetede> > as a workstation/server architecture. I have not seen Compaq  E A workstation *is* a desktop. Just high end. Haven't you noticed that @ most companies advertising workstations these days meen PC basedG architecture. Just look at HP for example where the first thing you seelD under Workstations on the web site is an AMD-64 based system. Ah, if only VMS ran on it.s   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 14:14:40 -0800e* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsonhC Message-ID: <1109974480.465151.214090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>T   John Smith wrote:  >e >t0 > That's why Hoff isn't here very often ;-)  ;-)  C I wonder if Bliss-64 exists yet for the AMD/Intel chips. I guess it D must do to support Intel owned compilers for these platforms. Anyone know for sure?   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:42:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsoneB Message-ID: <1109982581.73cd3fc65853e8fa8373710c2f01139e@teranews>   Alan Greig wrote:h: > I wonder if Bliss-64 exists yet for the AMD/Intel chips.  F Wouldn't porting Bliss and Macro be some of the first projects as part" of a port of VMS to any platform ?  H If VMS on the 8086 will have common source pool with Alpha, I wonder howC the engineers would be able to hide this from customers who buy thewH source listings ? Wouldn't some interesting IFDEFs exist in the source ?    H Or would they work on the 8086-only portions, such as early booting etc,H and wait for HP to make it official before they start to work on porting0 code that appears in the Alpha source listings ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 17:47:10 -0800T* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>/ Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsonuA Message-ID: <1109987230.367785.7860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:o   a port of VMS to any platform ?   >tF > If VMS on the 8086 will have common source pool with Alpha, I wonder how E > the engineers would be able to hide this from customers who buy therA > source listings ? Wouldn't some interesting IFDEFs exist in thee source ? >t  @ Easy. You take a frozen version of the VMS source. Hand it to an; engineer locked in a dark room and say "show we can do it".-@ Only after you have made the decision to go do you risk leaks byF starting to synch the projects. But if do you make a final decision toE move forward I guess you announce it fairly quickly. I am reminded ofvF the (apocryphal?) mad VMS engineer who allegedly proved VMS could workE on Itanium before the actual port. I just hope something like this isw
 happening.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:28:25 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>g$ Subject: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594C71@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All,  E Apologies in advance if this was posted already, but there is a new =e; video on HP OpenVMS-Integrity servers that is available at:.@ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/integrity_video.html    Text transcript is available at:G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/integrity_video_script.html    Speaker summary:
 - Mark Gorham    - Ann Livermore=20  ' - Jack Novia (HP Senior VP NA Sales)=20t  G - Gerd Koebschall (Director, XTERA/EUREX Operations, Duetsche B=F6rse =nG Systems AG. Nice quote - "We just ported the complete software of the =2G Eurex Exchange, which consists currently of 5 million lines of source =AI code, to OpenVMS on Integrity servers. This is currently in test with a =oC big success already. Next year we are planning to introduce mixed =o> clusters adding Integrity servers to our current AlphaServer = environment.")  F - Ali Liptrot (VP Marketing - Stalker Software. New ISV for OpenVMS. =C Messaging server on OpenVMS clusters that can replace MS Exchange =e& backend while keeping Outlook clients)  H - Marco Mezzalama (Vice Chancellor, Professor of Computer Engineering, =C Turin Polytech. Nice quote: "We have successfully ported security =y@ application to OpenVMS on Integrity servers and realized a 30% =D performance gain in cryptographic algorithms. In the next year the =7 Politecnico will increase greatly its size and scope.")    Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantM HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax: 613-591-4477b kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:23:31 -0800i From: tadamsmar@yahoo.come8 Subject: NoListen Process Creation...Service - Mount (?)B Message-ID: <1109967811.743189.76460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  + I get these messages since my 7.32 upgrade:O  A "Internet ACP Nolisten Process Creation Success: Service - Mount"s   I cannot find a Mount Service.   What are these messages?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:23:36 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.como8 Subject: NoListen Process Creation...Service - Mount (?)C Message-ID: <1109967816.733724.198470@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>e  + I get these messages since my 7.32 upgrade:p  A "Internet ACP Nolisten Process Creation Success: Service - Mount"t   I cannot find a Mount Service.   What are these messages?   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:18:46 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: NoListen Process Creation...Service - Mount (?)0 Message-ID: <newscache$a7juci$h6a$1@news.sil.at>  _ In article <1109967816.733724.198470@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: , >I get these messages since my 7.32 upgrade: >lB >"Internet ACP Nolisten Process Creation Success: Service - Mount"   This is not VMS, it is TCPIP.c   >I cannot find a Mount Service.o   $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE/FULL MOUNTa   It is part of NFS Server   >What are these messages?w   Startup messages   -- r Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:28:19 GMTD3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)cN Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax1 Message-ID: <nF2Wd.1002$r26.520@news.cpqcorp.net>.  i In article <1109952954.036656.66740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: ? >I seem to have a corrupt PCSI database that I'd like some helpc >recovering. >o8 >The following product will be installed to destination:" >    DEC AXPVMS VMS732_SYSINI V1.0 >DISK$ALPSYS3V732:[VMS$COMMON.]r >%PCSI-E-READERR, error reading D >SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSEXE]PCSI$FILE_SYSTEM.PCSI$DATABASE;1$ >-DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax >6F >I appear to be able read the database just fine (prod show history is+ >fine) but can't install any more packages.4 >9B >I've logged a call but the document I got from the CSC isn't very: >helpful, recommending that I re-install VMS from scratch. >IC >Are there any tools out there to repair a corrupted pcsi database? , >Re-instaling VMS is not a realistic option.  ' What version of OpenVMS?  VAX or Alpha? 0 DO you have the latest PCSI patch kit installed?  1 There are no "tools" to repair the PCSI database.r5 It can be re-built but deleting the database and then 1 registering OpenvMS and all the layered products.l9 Unfotunately, this will NOT re-build all the information.b@ The missing information, especially what is missing for OpenVMS,> can cause problems with the future installation or upgrade of ; products and patches.  This is why reinstalling rather than D just registering OpenVMS is recommended.  Why is this not an option?   -- oJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 12:12:12 -0800V$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>N Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntaxC Message-ID: <1109967132.555371.280630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   D This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2.  All major patches were current at theG beginning of January.  I didn't know I had a corrupted database until I - went to install the SYSINI patch in February.1  G Re-installing OpenVMS on a system disk shared by 3 nodes in the clustergE means that I'm going to take a significant outage.  In the end, all IiF end up with is an apparently identical system disk (if I'm lucky) with< a fixed PCSI database.  Re-installing VMS for this sounds soE "windowish".  This is a disaster-tolerant cluster split across 2 datai> centers.  Seriously, why you even expect a customer to have toE re-install VMS?  If the PCSI infrastructure is so weak, let's go backeF to the old way where we never had to worry about this (in 20+ years of> managing VMS systems, this would be the first time I've had to+ re-install VMS because of file corruption).   C To make matters worse, the only thing that could have corrupted the @ file in the first place is PCSI itself.  It doesn't get used forF anything else, no defraggers are even running, and the disk is part of a 3-way mirror set.a  & I'm a bit frustrated about this one...  
    ..../Ed   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:56:41 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)uN Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax1 Message-ID: <tQ4Wd.1021$t66.837@news.cpqcorp.net>   j In article <1109967132.555371.280630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:E >This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2.  All major patches were current at the H >beginning of January.  I didn't know I had a corrupted database until I. >went to install the SYSINI patch in February. > H >Re-installing OpenVMS on a system disk shared by 3 nodes in the clusterF >means that I'm going to take a significant outage.  In the end, all IG >end up with is an apparently identical system disk (if I'm lucky) witho= >a fixed PCSI database.  Re-installing VMS for this sounds sonF >"windowish".  This is a disaster-tolerant cluster split across 2 data? >centers.  Seriously, why you even expect a customer to have totF >re-install VMS?  If the PCSI infrastructure is so weak, let's go backG >to the old way where we never had to worry about this (in 20+ years ofe? >managing VMS systems, this would be the first time I've had toc, >re-install VMS because of file corruption). >tD >To make matters worse, the only thing that could have corrupted theA >file in the first place is PCSI itself.  It doesn't get used foruG >anything else, no defraggers are even running, and the disk is part ofa >a 3-way mirror set. >r' >I'm a bit frustrated about this one...m  @ Your criticism is well taken and your frustration is understood.A For the record, the problem we believe you are seeing is actuallyyF in the OpenVMS executive.  The location of the file SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXEE is saved in the executive at boot time.  When the system is shutdown,e+ a time stamp is written to that locacation.r  E However if a new SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXE has been supplied, the time stampnE is written to the location of the OLD file, not the new one.  This isgE basically a "random" location.  However, in the case of a PCSI patch,1J it is "likely" that the space that had been used by the old SYS$BASE_IMAGEJ is used when the updated PCSI database is written.  So a time stamp may beE written to a "random" location that now happens to be within the PCSIc	 database.r  8 We believe that this problem was introduced around V7.3." It has been fixed in OpenVMS V8.2.  I A patch has been or is being created for 7.3-2 -- and possibly some othern" 7.3 releases (I'm not sure which).  I You can avoid this problem by always installing PCSI patch kits using the,G /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA qualifier.  This works because with this quallifier H in effect, the replaced files are NOT deleted; they are renamed into theJ PCSI$UNDO area.  So the time stamp is written to the old file, not to someF random file that has used that space.  The fact that the time stamp is> NOT written to the new file does not cause any known problems.  I We are embarrased to have caused this problem, and we offer our appology.     B Now to the issue of repairing your system.  Here is my suggestion.  8 PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS FULLY before you try it.  < First make certain that you have a known good backup of yourG system disk.  If you follow the outline below, it is extremely unlikely > that anything will go wrong, but backup is ALWAYS a good idea.  F If you can execute PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT * without problems, get a copy+ of its output to help you in the last step.m  H Do a directory listing SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]*.pcsi$database.D These file are the PCSI dtabase.  You need to delete or rename theseG files. I suggest renaming, so that you have the old files just in case..H (And they will be on the backup too.)  (If you rename the files, you canI delete ther renamed files when you are satisified that you have recreated  the PCSI database.)   8 Now log in to a privileged account and do the following:  E     $ PRODUCT REGISTER PRODUCT VMS /SOURCE=SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON]f  E This will re-create the PCSI database and enter the OpenVMS operatinge system in the database..  H Note that this will NOT enter information about any patches installed toI the operating system.  The patches will still be there, but not recoreded I in the database.  If you want patch information in the database, you will H have to re-install all OpenVMS patches.  Doing this or not is up to you,C but if you do this, *DO* *USE* the /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA qualifier!!!   E (Some procedures may check for the installation of certain patches byoN interrogating the PCSI database.  These procedures may make the wrong decisionG if you do not re-install the patches. In particular, PCSI installationsdF often check for the PCSI patch; I recommend that you DO reinstall the  latest version of that patch.)  F Finally you can use the procedure SYS$UPDATE:PCSI$REGISTER_PRODUCT.COML to register all of your LPs.  This includes DECwindows, DECnet (IV or Plus),F TCPIP, etc.  This will place only minimal information in the database, but it should be enough.  G     NOTE: The steps shown above will not create information in the PCSI-.     database about the OpenVMS platform.  i.e.  !         DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-2R  7     However, the operating system itself will be there.8  !         DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-2r  M     (PCSI use "VMS" for the operating system and "OPENVMS" for the platform.)-  N     This should not be a problem.  The next time that you upgrade your system,K     the upgrade procedure will work correctly, and will create the platform 6     entry for the new version of the operating system.  L I hope this helps you.  Please feel free to contact me directly, in addition@ to your contact with the CSC, if I can be of further assistance.  F I woudl appreciate hearing of your results if you use this suggestion.   --J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:40:57 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comN Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntaxQ Message-ID: <OFB2569A6A.B3DE25D1-ON85256FBA.0081D4B3-85256FBA.008276D8@metso.com>o   Wow.  I This raised a question for me.  If he reinstalls all the stuff with /savew and then does /removecH (and by extention, if those of us who did /save later do /remove) to get the disk space back,: is he (are we) good or is he (are we) in danger from this?  J hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 03/04/2005 04:56:41 PM:   E > In article <1109967132.555371.280630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,D( > "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:G > >This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2.  All major patches were current at the J > >beginning of January.  I didn't know I had a corrupted database until I0 > >went to install the SYSINI patch in February. > >hJ > >Re-installing OpenVMS on a system disk shared by 3 nodes in the clusterH > >means that I'm going to take a significant outage.  In the end, all II > >end up with is an apparently identical system disk (if I'm lucky) withi? > >a fixed PCSI database.  Re-installing VMS for this sounds solH > >"windowish".  This is a disaster-tolerant cluster split across 2 dataA > >centers.  Seriously, why you even expect a customer to have toTH > >re-install VMS?  If the PCSI infrastructure is so weak, let's go backI > >to the old way where we never had to worry about this (in 20+ years of-A > >managing VMS systems, this would be the first time I've had tor. > >re-install VMS because of file corruption). > >aF > >To make matters worse, the only thing that could have corrupted theC > >file in the first place is PCSI itself.  It doesn't get used for I > >anything else, no defraggers are even running, and the disk is part of  > >a 3-way mirror set. > > ) > >I'm a bit frustrated about this one...g >0B > Your criticism is well taken and your frustration is understood.C > For the record, the problem we believe you are seeing is actually=H > in the OpenVMS executive.  The location of the file SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXEG > is saved in the executive at boot time.  When the system is shutdown,t- > a time stamp is written to that locacation.\ > G > However if a new SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXE has been supplied, the time stampeG > is written to the location of the OLD file, not the new one.  This ispG > basically a "random" location.  However, in the case of a PCSI patch,i= > it is "likely" that the space that had been used by the old0 SYS$BASE_IMAGEI > is used when the updated PCSI database is written.  So a time stamp may  beG > written to a "random" location that now happens to be within the PCSI7 > database.e >x: > We believe that this problem was introduced around V7.3.$ > It has been fixed in OpenVMS V8.2. >iK > A patch has been or is being created for 7.3-2 -- and possibly some othert$ > 7.3 releases (I'm not sure which). >tK > You can avoid this problem by always installing PCSI patch kits using the.I > /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA qualifier.  This works because with this quallifiereJ > in effect, the replaced files are NOT deleted; they are renamed into theG > PCSI$UNDO area.  So the time stamp is written to the old file, not toh someH > random file that has used that space.  The fact that the time stamp is@ > NOT written to the new file does not cause any known problems. > K > We are embarrased to have caused this problem, and we offer our appology.  >' >nD > Now to the issue of repairing your system.  Here is my suggestion. >): > PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS FULLY before you try it. >e> > First make certain that you have a known good backup of yourI > system disk.  If you follow the outline below, it is extremely unlikely/@ > that anything will go wrong, but backup is ALWAYS a good idea. >0H > If you can execute PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT * without problems, get a copy- > of its output to help you in the last step.n >eJ > Do a directory listing SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]*.pcsi$database.F > These file are the PCSI dtabase.  You need to delete or rename theseI > files. I suggest renaming, so that you have the old files just in case.sJ > (And they will be on the backup too.)  (If you rename the files, you canK > delete ther renamed files when you are satisified that you have recreateda > the PCSI database.)t >l: > Now log in to a privileged account and do the following: > G >     $ PRODUCT REGISTER PRODUCT VMS /SOURCE=SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON], > G > This will re-create the PCSI database and enter the OpenVMS operating  > system in the database.s >-J > Note that this will NOT enter information about any patches installed toK > the operating system.  The patches will still be there, but not recorededoK > in the database.  If you want patch information in the database, you willgJ > have to re-install all OpenVMS patches.  Doing this or not is up to you,E > but if you do this, *DO* *USE* the /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA qualifier!!!s >lG > (Some procedures may check for the installation of certain patches by,G > interrogating the PCSI database.  These procedures may make the wronga decisionI > if you do not re-install the patches. In particular, PCSI installations0G > often check for the PCSI patch; I recommend that you DO reinstall the-  > latest version of that patch.) >nH > Finally you can use the procedure SYS$UPDATE:PCSI$REGISTER_PRODUCT.COMG > to register all of your LPs.  This includes DECwindows, DECnet (IV orn Plus),H > TCPIP, etc.  This will place only minimal information in the database, > but it should be enough. >eI >     NOTE: The steps shown above will not create information in the PCSI50 >     database about the OpenVMS platform.  i.e. >d# >         DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-2s > 9 >     However, the operating system itself will be there.m >h# >         DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-2v >eD >     (PCSI use "VMS" for the operating system and "OPENVMS" for the
 platform.) >rH >     This should not be a problem.  The next time that you upgrade your system,0D >     the upgrade procedure will work correctly, and will create the platform8 >     entry for the new version of the operating system. >mE > I hope this helps you.  Please feel free to contact me directly, ino additionB > to your contact with the CSC, if I can be of further assistance. >dH > I woudl appreciate hearing of your results if you use this suggestion. >  > --G >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FLs USAaH >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)@ >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.' >S   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:41:49 GMTh  From: John Santos <john@egh.com>N Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax, Message-ID: <hf7Wd.22367$QQ3.10740@trnddc02>   Charlie Hammond wrote:l > In article <1109967132.555371.280630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: > F >>This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2.  All major patches were current at theI >>beginning of January.  I didn't know I had a corrupted database until It/ >>went to install the SYSINI patch in February.a >>I >>Re-installing OpenVMS on a system disk shared by 3 nodes in the cluster G >>means that I'm going to take a significant outage.  In the end, all InH >>end up with is an apparently identical system disk (if I'm lucky) with> >>a fixed PCSI database.  Re-installing VMS for this sounds soG >>"windowish".  This is a disaster-tolerant cluster split across 2 data @ >>centers.  Seriously, why you even expect a customer to have toG >>re-install VMS?  If the PCSI infrastructure is so weak, let's go back H >>to the old way where we never had to worry about this (in 20+ years of@ >>managing VMS systems, this would be the first time I've had to- >>re-install VMS because of file corruption).l >>E >>To make matters worse, the only thing that could have corrupted the B >>file in the first place is PCSI itself.  It doesn't get used forH >>anything else, no defraggers are even running, and the disk is part of >>a 3-way mirror set.f >>( >>I'm a bit frustrated about this one... >  > B > Your criticism is well taken and your frustration is understood.C > For the record, the problem we believe you are seeing is actually H > in the OpenVMS executive.  The location of the file SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXEG > is saved in the executive at boot time.  When the system is shutdown, - > a time stamp is written to that locacation.o > G > However if a new SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXE has been supplied, the time stamptG > is written to the location of the OLD file, not the new one.  This iswG > basically a "random" location.  However, in the case of a PCSI patch,rL > it is "likely" that the space that had been used by the old SYS$BASE_IMAGEL > is used when the updated PCSI database is written.  So a time stamp may beG > written to a "random" location that now happens to be within the PCSIo > database.l > : > We believe that this problem was introduced around V7.3.$ > It has been fixed in OpenVMS V8.2. > K > A patch has been or is being created for 7.3-2 -- and possibly some other $ > 7.3 releases (I'm not sure which).  F Department of Ironies:  The patch to fix this is the SYSINI patch that" Ed was attempting to install!  :-(    K > You can avoid this problem by always installing PCSI patch kits using thekI > /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA qualifier.  This works because with this quallifiereJ > in effect, the replaced files are NOT deleted; they are renamed into theL > PCSI$UNDO area.  So the time stamp is written to the old file, not to someH > random file that has used that space.  The fact that the time stamp is@ > NOT written to the new file does not cause any known problems. > K > We are embarrased to have caused this problem, and we offer our appology.  >  > D > Now to the issue of repairing your system.  Here is my suggestion. > : > PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS FULLY before you try it. > > > First make certain that you have a known good backup of yourI > system disk.  If you follow the outline below, it is extremely unlikelyD@ > that anything will go wrong, but backup is ALWAYS a good idea. > H > If you can execute PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT * without problems, get a copy- > of its output to help you in the last step.  > J > Do a directory listing SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]*.pcsi$database.F > These file are the PCSI dtabase.  You need to delete or rename theseI > files. I suggest renaming, so that you have the old files just in case.tJ > (And they will be on the backup too.)  (If you rename the files, you canK > delete ther renamed files when you are satisified that you have recreatede > the PCSI database.)  > : > Now log in to a privileged account and do the following: > G >     $ PRODUCT REGISTER PRODUCT VMS /SOURCE=SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON]a > G > This will re-create the PCSI database and enter the OpenVMS operating  > system in the database.c > J > Note that this will NOT enter information about any patches installed toK > the operating system.  The patches will still be there, but not recorededdK > in the database.  If you want patch information in the database, you williJ > have to re-install all OpenVMS patches.  Doing this or not is up to you,E > but if you do this, *DO* *USE* the /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA qualifier!!!e > G > (Some procedures may check for the installation of certain patches bynP > interrogating the PCSI database.  These procedures may make the wrong decisionI > if you do not re-install the patches. In particular, PCSI installationsnH > often check for the PCSI patch; I recommend that you DO reinstall the   > latest version of that patch.) > H > Finally you can use the procedure SYS$UPDATE:PCSI$REGISTER_PRODUCT.COMN > to register all of your LPs.  This includes DECwindows, DECnet (IV or Plus),H > TCPIP, etc.  This will place only minimal information in the database, > but it should be enough. > I >     NOTE: The steps shown above will not create information in the PCSIi0 >     database about the OpenVMS platform.  i.e. > # >         DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-2  > 9 >     However, the operating system itself will be there.e > # >         DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-2a  , Should this line be "DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-2"?  H (Both OPENVMS and VMS show up in PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT *VMS* on my V7.3-2 Alpha.)i   > O >     (PCSI use "VMS" for the operating system and "OPENVMS" for the platform.)  > P >     This should not be a problem.  The next time that you upgrade your system,M >     the upgrade procedure will work correctly, and will create the platformu8 >     entry for the new version of the operating system. > N > I hope this helps you.  Please feel free to contact me directly, in additionB > to your contact with the CSC, if I can be of further assistance. > H > I woudl appreciate hearing of your results if you use this suggestion. >  > --L >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAH >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. >      -- . John Santosc Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:15:36 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>N Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax+ Message-ID: <42292458.D45F227F@comcast.net>f   Charlie Hammond wrote: > [snip]K > We are embarrased to have caused this problem, and we offer our appology.a  B What you may want to consider for the next PCSI ECO is supplying aD utility that will recreate the PCSI database (or most of it, anyway)C from the text output of PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY/FULL, preferably, in a  manner similar to this:e  ) $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT PCSI_HISTORY.LISs $ PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY/FULL 7 $ RENAME SYS$SYSTEM:*.PCSI$DATABASE *.PCSI$DATABASE_OLDr( $ DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT PCSI_HISTORY.LIS $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:PCSI$REBUILDs   Just a suggestion...   -- m David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:w" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/c   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 13:02:11 -0600a; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Problem Installing a Printer to a terminal Line3 Message-ID: <FTKBHkSaPhPb@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  m In article <1109951638.010740.75230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com writes:5 > $! > $ SET VERIFY! > $ DEFINE /SYSTEM $PRINTER TTA3: H > $ SET TERMINAL $PRINTER /PERMANENT /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /NOWRAP -9 >       /SPEED=9600 /WIDTH=80 /PAGE=66 /DEVICE_TYPE=LA100 G > $! note commented out SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(SYS$PRINT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:) 
 > $PRINTER > $ START /QUEUE SYS$PRINT  <    You need to tell VMS where the queue SYS$PRINT prints to:  '   $ start /queue sys$print /on=$printer   f   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:59:36 +0000 (UTC)< From: "Graeme Houston" <graemebrett.houston@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: RMS API0 Message-ID: <d0ab6o$7p2$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Thanks for the helpe  > "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message < news:4228aa04$0$24941$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net... > Graeme Houston wrote:l >w	 >> Hi all L >> can anyone tell me where to find api specification for RMS under VMS esp 2 >> using "C", i have been googling but to no avail >>	 >> thanks  >> graeme houstons >a$ > C User's Guide for OpenVMS Systems > (See Chapter 2) > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/5492PROFILE.html4 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/ug.pdf > 5 > OpenVMS Record Management Services Reference Manuale > (See especially chapter 3): > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4523/4523PRO.HTMLK > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_RMS.PDFm >y9 > C Run-Time Library Reference Manual for OpenVMS SystemsdK > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/5763/5763pro_008.html#rms_from_rtl J > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/aa-rsmub-te.PDF >. >d > OpenVMS I/O User's ReferenceE > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-pv6sf-tk/aa-pv6sf-tk.HTMln >e	 > Cheers!l >g > K.C. >n >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2005 13:03:31 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d Subject: Re: RMS API3 Message-ID: <G59ArKsADFSt@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  q In article <d0a5l6$1i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Graeme Houston" <graemebrett.houston@btopenworld.com> writes:7 > Hi allK > can anyone tell me where to find api specification for RMS under VMS esp h1 > using "C", i have been googling but to no availr >   D    In the doc set.  Start from the FAQ.  And to get both start from:         http://www.hp.com/go/vms   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:11:54 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: RMS APIB Message-ID: <1109966364.24ee066c69b1892558fa4ab7f517863c@teranews>   Graeme Houston wrote:  >  > Hi allJ > can anyone tell me where to find api specification for RMS under VMS esp  ! Along with the other suggestions:>  	 $HELP RMS:  . You can probably also look in SYS$EXAMPLES:*.C   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:05:51 -0500, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>I Subject: Re: Warren, any way to find out when this page was last updated?., Message-ID: <4228dc70$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H I can send email asking the web section owner. but he'd probably like to know why I'm asking...   -warrene  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:9LmdnWGbYcvJ_rXfRVn-qQ@igs.net...1 > http://h20198.www2.hp.com/partner/partBene.html- >  >0 > --F > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style......they're just never
 > marketed >- >e   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:27:48 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)tE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? ( Message-ID: <d0aqtk$tuf$1@pcls4.std.com>  # Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:   . >>Node A (1 vote) + local quorum disk (1 vote) >>Node B (1 vote)e >> >>Node B goes down ... >>C >>Now you have introduced an unnecessary probability of the clustermI >>being lost, equal to the probability of the quorum disk "disappearing".t >> >>Not a Good Idea (TM).   6 >Agreed but I have seen it done that way by customers.  F Seeing customers do that doesn't make it right (well, the customer is  always right, but...)l  H Quorum disks simply don't make sense unless they are visible by multipleE nodes.  If the disk is private to a node it is the same as giving itsh votes to that node.o  D Quorum disk cluster transitions can be slower than ones without one.  J You can use a quorum disk for other things, but heavy IO will stall quorum' IOs which can cause loss of QD's votes.   : How much is a cheap Alphastation on Ebay as a Quorum node?  J An interesting use of quorum disks is in an N node cluster, each node withF one vote and a quorum disk with N-1 votes.  That cluster can remain upG with either a single node + quorum disk, or all nodes without it.  NoteID this makes the quorum disk "almost" a single point of failure.  Any 7 failure of it and any node for any reason = no cluster.k -- I -Mikeb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:15:03 -0800-# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?k( Message-ID: <opsm41ndfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  D On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:24:21 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:  A > On 28 Feb 2005 08:27:45 -0800, john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com wrote:s >sF >> Is a Shadow disk in OpenVMS the same as a Mirrored disk in RAID forI >> Windows or other OS?  And does anyone know why a Quorum disk cannot ber >> shadowed.  Thanks.t >sI > In the old days there was a clear distinction between VMS Shadowing &  t > DiskJ > Mirroring. With Shadowing two disks work as one. All writes go to both   > but readsPK > are done from whichever has its head nearer the data. Disk Mirroring on  n > otherhI > operating systems would be just that. All writes go to both disks but  e > reads areu! > only done from the master disk.t >oK > Nowadays with a variety of hardware based RAID solutions the waters are  s > muchE > murkier. Often it's not even a real disk that VMS is shadowing. A    > combination ofE > Host Based Volume Shadowing on top of hardware RAID 0+1 or RAID 5  o
 > provides > extreme reliability. > J > A quorum disk cannot be shadowed by HBVS as it must be a single unique   > entityL > able to cast a tie-breaking vote in the case of a split cluster. However   > it canL > be created as a RAID set at the hardware level because although there is   > nowWE > hardware redundancy as far as VMS is concerned it is a single disk.r >   J I went back and reread the thread and Idon't quite follow why a shadow setI can't be a quorum disk.  Suppose you have a shadow set, DSA0, hysically  "
 consistingL of two drives and connected by, say,shared scsi to nodes A and B.  It wuld   be seem3# a logical choice for a quorum disk.r     > -- > Nigel Barker! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurt       -- IC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:54:50 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?eB Message-ID: <1109983350.1ae2dba5772a9b820bad9b6fe9255cae@teranews>   Tom Linden wrote:eI > can't be a quorum disk.  Suppose you have a shadow set, DSA0, hysically  > consistingD > of two drives and connected by, say,shared scsi to nodes A and B.   L   ============================/X/=====================================(scsi)A     |                |                   |                      | E   [node1]          [disk1]             [disk2]                [node2]s  G If you break the SCSI at X, then both nodes will still see their quorumh: disk and each node will just work with the drive they see.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:24:23 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>NE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?a( Message-ID: <opsm44uxk4zgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:54:50 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:t   > Tom Linden wrote:yJ >> can't be a quorum disk.  Suppose you have a shadow set, DSA0, hysically
 >> consistinghD >> of two drives and connected by, say,shared scsi to nodes A and B. >IN >   ============================/X/=====================================(scsi)C >     |                |                   |                      | G >   [node1]          [disk1]             [disk2]                [node2]N >AI > If you break the SCSI at X, then both nodes will still see their quorum-< > disk and each node will just work with the drive they see.  1 The picture I had in mind might be something like:                        LAN#             _______________________y$             |                      |$             |        SCSI          |&           NODE A ============== NODE B                        I                        I                       DSA0                   ----------                   |         |f                 disk1     disk2d   -- tC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/C   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:07:24 GMTS  From: John Santos <john@egh.com>E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?a, Message-ID: <wv8Wd.55715$EL5.35210@trnddc05>   Tom Linden wrote:s0 > On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:54:50 -0500, JF Mezei  ' > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >  >> Tom Linden wrote: >>K >>> can't be a quorum disk.  Suppose you have a shadow set, DSA0, hysicallya >>> consistingE >>> of two drives and connected by, say,shared scsi to nodes A and B.r >> >> >>   ?N >> ============================/X/=====================================(scsi)  >>D >>     |                |                   |                      |H >>   [node1]          [disk1]             [disk2]                [node2] >>J >> If you break the SCSI at X, then both nodes will still see their quorum= >> disk and each node will just work with the drive they see.e >  > 3 > The picture I had in mind might be something likep >  >                     LANn$ >            _______________________% >            |                      |o% >            |        SCSI          |-' >          NODE A ============== NODE B  >                       Id >                       Io >                      DSA0  >                  ----------  >                  |         |  >                disk1     disk2  G This isn't an acurate picture.  DSA0: is not a hardware device, sitting.A on a bus, as you've picture here.  It is a software fiction.  TheiH physical disks are connected to one or more adapters as in JF's picture.  E Your picture is a more accurate depiction of a RAID controller, whichr? would be DRA0:, not DSA0:, and which is fine to use for quorum.d  @ In JF's picture, there would also have to be a LAN connection ofD some sort, since SCSI doesn't do SCS, and you would have to cut both? the LAN and the SCSI at the same time to partition the cluster.e       --   John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:27:21 -0800i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>sE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?s( Message-ID: <opsm47rvsxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  C On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:07:24 GMT, John Santos <john@egh.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:t2 >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:54:50 -0500, JF Mezei   ( >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >> >>> Tom Linden wrote:r >>>oD >>>> can't be a quorum disk.  Suppose you have a shadow set, DSA0,   >>>> hysically >>>> consistingsF >>>> of two drives and connected by, say,shared scsi to nodes A and B. >>>  >>>n >>>    eP >>> ============================/X/=====================================(scsi)  E >>>     |                |                   |                      |5I >>>   [node1]          [disk1]             [disk2]                [node2]c >>>:K >>> If you break the SCSI at X, then both nodes will still see their quorumD> >>> disk and each node will just work with the drive they see.6 >>   The picture I had in mind might be something like >>                      LAN:% >>            _______________________a& >>            |                      |& >>            |        SCSI          |( >>          NODE A ============== NODE B >>                       I >>                       I >>                      DSA0 >>                  ---------- >>                  |         |c! >>                disk1     disk2d > I > This isn't an acurate picture.  DSA0: is not a hardware device, sittingPC > on a bus, as you've picture here.  It is a software fiction.  TheTJ > physical disks are connected to one or more adapters as in JF's picture.  I Fiction or not, could it not be done? Why does it have to be a hardware  n device?uK In my case, e.g. I have a BA356 with 3 shadow sets on a scsi shared amongstu3 three nodes, which each of their own internal disks      >eG > Your picture is a more accurate depiction of a RAID controller, which.A > would be DRA0:, not DSA0:, and which is fine to use for quorum.t >tB > In JF's picture, there would also have to be a LAN connection ofF > some sort, since SCSI doesn't do SCS, and you would have to cut bothA > the LAN and the SCSI at the same time to partition the cluster.e >m >  >r       -- iC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:24:24 -0500T- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>sE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?iB Message-ID: <1109992325.3110169aa2d60d46fbd0423a4955105c@teranews>   John Santos wrote:B > In JF's picture, there would also have to be a LAN connection ofF > some sort, since SCSI doesn't do SCS, and you would have to cut bothA > the LAN and the SCSI at the same time to partition the cluster.d  D Nop. Cutting the SCSI would cause data corruption. The cluster mightD continue to operate, but node 1's, writing to DSA1: would only touch> disk1, while node 2's writing to DSA1: would only touch disk2.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:15:17 -0800% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>bE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?o7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05030419155fff1034@mail.gmail.com>s  ( <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:  < > How much is a cheap Alphastation on Ebay as a Quorum node?  D Would it not have to have VMS + Cluster licenses? That might make it somewhat less cheap.  F I'm not a clustering expert (so I'm probably setting myself up to lookE stupid), but what I've seen done is to set up a pair of servers, bothtC looking at a HSG(Z?)-80 for their disks. One of the RAID volumes onoF the external controller is the quorum disk. (I think this is where TomF Linden was going.) If either node loses SCSI or Ethernet, it falls out5 of the cluster, while the other one chugs along, yes?e  A a) If a node loses it's SCSI connection to the HSG, it falls overy+ quite readily (This I know for a fact. :-/)u  , b) If both nodes lose SCSI, a) in duplicate.  ; c) If a node loses it's ethernet connection, all the clientDC connections evaporate, so that node won't be doing anything anyway.l3 (as far as our scenario is concerned. YScenarioMV.)M  0 d) If both nodes lose ethernet, c) in duplicate.  B e) If the HSG falls over, the cluster runs precisely until one boxF realizes it doesn't have any disks, falls over, and the cluster grinds
 to a stop.  A f) If the quorum disk isn't RAIDed and it falls over, the clustereB continues. (Unless it's also SYS$SYSDEVICE, or where the swap file- lives.  I *told* them that was a bad idea...)d  2 Probably over my head but enjoying the discussion,   -DeanS   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:42:51 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>a4 Subject: Re: [WG-users]FBX Authenticating from Linux' Message-ID: <4228D65B.6070104@MMaz.com>    Jay Westendorf wrote:   Q >I use the Sun Java for Windows here... I believe Sun make one for Linux as well.n >  d >b I need it at the CLI...e   Barrya   >Jay W.p >h >-----Original Message-----t1 >From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]C% >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:26 PMd >To: Watchguard Users Groupl1 >Subject: [WG-users]FBX Authenticating from LinuxI >t >sH >I have a need to be able to authenticate from Linux, much like you can J >from Windows with the Java applet that hits port 4100 from the FBX.  Any 
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