1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 135       Contents:/ Re: Alternatives to media distribution service? 1 Re: CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES and related difficulties ? Changing MAC address from Ethernet Card DE450 to Built-in DE500 ) Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI # Re: Changing Tape Device protection & Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance Re: FT Linux - five 9's * Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?! Re: How to grow OpenVMS?  Simple! " Intel: 8086 won't encroach on IA64& Re: Intel: 8086 won't encroach on IA64& Re: Intel: 8086 won't encroach on IA64 Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video . OpenVMS Job opportunity in Southern CaliforniaE Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax E Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax ! Problem between Diskeeper and DVE $ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions Re: VMS startup problem?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?C Re: Why the mergers failed and Alphaservers in Private Eye Magazine   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:35:42 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: Alternatives to media distribution service?+ Message-ID: <422E6F0D.C3308B9D@comcast.net>    tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > G > I see that we are paying $217/month for Media and Doc. Dist. Service.  > - > Yet, I only upgrade the OS every few years.  > = > I wonder if you can just order an update when you want one.  > 9 > I did see that a 7.32 security update patch that is not 9 > listed on the patch download site came with 8.2.  So it 7 > might be that some patches are only available via the  > distribution.   ' Well, since no one else has piped up...   H MDS is more than just media, IIRC. MDS also provides "right-to-upgrade",D if I'm not too badly mistaken. "Buying" an upgrade later on may cost more than MDS.   FWIW...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:35:55 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda): Subject: Re: CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES and related difficulties2 Message-ID: <05030821355513_27800279@antinode.org>  5 From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@hp.com> # Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:02:56 GMT   J > >    Is there some easy way I'm not seeing to get it to do what I'd like  > > (that is, something useful)? > D >     I would write a small script to modify the object file name in >     the output .MMS file.   H    It's been a while, and I did in fact write a small script to edit theG CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES output file.  And until today, I didn't notice how B nicely formatted that output file was.  But today, I looked at theF output from a file with more than 60 dependencies, and lo, and behold:   [... 59 lines of stuff ...] 5 VMS.OBJ :	         SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB   , VMS.OBJ :	SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB [...]   D (In case that was not well preserved, there's a form-feed after line 60.)  D    How many people think that a form-feed added after every 60 lines really makes that file better?  E    So, I guess I need a less-small script to modify the file.  Sigh.  % Don't mind me.  I'm just complaining.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:04:32 +0800+ From: "Yong Boon, Lim" <y0ngb00n@yahoo.com> H Subject: Changing MAC address from Ethernet Card DE450 to Built-in DE500* Message-ID: <d0lpb8$ckm$1@news9.jaring.my>  I l've recently bought new AlphaServer DS10 (with 2 build-in ethernet port)  for migration.G After migrating from old system to new system, l realize that one of my  application onlyI regconize the old mac address. It means that l've to migrate the DE450 to  the new systemK also.....and l would like to change the MAC address of the built-in network  card on Alpha....  Is anyone how do change it?    Thank you at lot.    Your sincerely,  Yong Boon, Lim   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2005 19:34:16 -0800 ) From: "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> 2 Subject: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUIB Message-ID: <1110339256.224719.72430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  D I have a DS10 running VMS 7.3 and Pathworks 6.0D.  Recently moved itD from a W2000 environment to one predominantly XP.  The Pathworks hasF been using NetBEUI since the previous hardware (AlphaServer 1000), butC the XP machines really behave badly with NetBEUI installed.  So I'd B like to lose it completely and just use TCP/IP (I use TCPWare) for
 Pathworks.  C I have tried changing the transport using ADMIN/CONF and also using G PWRK$CONFIGURE, but having done so have been unable to connect from any C of the PC's.  Can anyone suggest the missing step that will make it  work?    TIA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:46:46 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Changing Tape Device protection+ Message-ID: <422E6395.DE7DF16A@comcast.net>    Marty O'Connor wrote:  >  > : J > : That's EXACTLY how this was manifested. The entries in SYS$DEVICES.DATI > : did not configure at boot up; however, in attempting to find out what J > : happened, I tried IO REPLACE, and guess what? Somehow the WWIDs of allF > : my drives got scrambled. To this day, no one knows how that can be, > : possible, but I (and my partner) saw it! > :  > : -- > : David J Dachtera > : dba DJE Systems  > : http://www.djesys.com/ > ` > I believe you. I spent the first few month of our new EVA (about 3 years ago) getting the tape_ > drives set the way I wanted them setup. The worst thing was that we had to shutdown the whole ^ > cluster so that it would "forget" the current information and only use the carefully updated! > information in SYS$DEVICES.DAT.   ? Ah, yes. What they don't tell you is that the "clusterwide data D structure" is a logical name table, LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE. The LNMs areH /EXEC mode, but notice that there is a device name, such as $2$MGA0 as aE LNM whose translation is a binary value stored as a string, and a LNM D where the name is the binary value and the translation is the device name.   
 <unsupported> . To get rid of an entry, you can (for example):  3 $ TRN = F$TRNLNM( "$2$MGA0", "LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE" ) ) $ DEAS/EXEC/TABLE=LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE &TRN , $ DEAS/EXEC/TABLE=LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE $2$MGA0  ( (Requires CMEXEC and SYSNAM privileges.)  G So long as you refrain from MC SYSMAN IO AUTOCON after IO FIND, you can H delete the LNMs from the table (using DEASSIGN) and repeat IO FIND untilE you have everything as it should be. Then, IO AUTOCON will set up the  DCBs.  </unsupported>  E For devices in SYS$DEVICES, that's a problem because you can't delete D the DCB and recreate it, although IO REPLACE is frequently possible.D Note, however, that IO REPLACE simply adds a new entry at the end ofB SYS$DEVICES.DAT - it does not attempt to filter out the old entry.  E Also, SYSMAN for V7.3-2 has some new IO keywords. For example you can E get a LIST of all the devices that have not already been entered into E LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE on the current node to see what IO FIND will do to  you.  
 <unsupported> C When I added our development cluster to the TSAN, I grabbed the MGA H entries from SYS$DEVICES.DAT on the PROD cluster and added them manuallyH to the tape service node in the dev. cluster, then did IO LIST to verify0 it was correct and IO AUTOCON to configure them. </unsupported>   VMS/Alpha hackery...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:28:15 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> / Subject: Re: DECC : toupper/tolower performance ) Message-ID: <grsXd.4205$uq.2466@fe03.lga>     martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk wrote:- > Provided VMS version is > 6.2 the macro is: G > #define _toupper(c)  (__isclocale? (__IS_LOWER(c) ? (c) & 0xDF: (c)):  > (toupper)(c)) G > since the code executed when not C locale uses the "toupper" function G > the additional "__isclocale" test is extra overhead - small (probably A > so small as to be irrelevant for all purposes) but still there.   2 What is the C locale and when would it not be "c"?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:57:03 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>  Subject: Re: FT Linux - five 9'sA Message-ID: <422e119f$0$1112$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>    rob kas wrote:L >      Well you could combine this with the NSA's addon security module for  > Linux  >       and have a VMS clone.  > % >         http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/  >  > 1 >                                             Rob   C There are huge differences in the architecture of a Fault-Tolerant  I System and a fully-shared Disaster-Tolerant cluster system. Their design  D goals may have some coincidental similarities but they don't really F solve all the same problems. A system design could provide one or the H other, both or none of the 2 functionalities. In this sense an ft Linux E is really more emulating the current Tandem Nonstop OS functionality  D than OpenVMS (although there was once an ft Version of VMS as well).  = As I understand, NSA'a add on security module doesn't remove  E architecturally engendered OS security design deficiencies inherited  I from the Unix OS Model (please see several previous post from me in this  D newsgroup). It just enhances the functionality to support mandatory G access controls (MAC) for security policy formulation and enforcement.  H The  basic OS architecture isn't really changed, even though the kernel D has some new functionality added. NSA's work would be analog to the D additional functionality added to OpenVMS for the Security Enhanced  OpenVMS Version rated at B1.  8 The following can be read at the link provided by Rob...  E This work is not intended as a complete security solution for Linux.  H Security-enhanced Linux is not an attempt to correct any flaws that may B currently exist in Linux. Instead, it is simply an example of how G mandatory access controls that can confine the actions of any process,  E including a superuser process, can be added into Linux. The focus of  F this work has not been on system assurance or other security features F such as security auditing, although these elements are also important  for a secure system.   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    > 1 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message  ( > news:ALednX-C_srkK7HfRVn-uw@igs.net... > 8 >>On a carrier-grade fault-tolerant Xeon-based box...... >>H >>Stratus offers a variation on the basic Linux kernel that the company  >>calls G >>"ft Linux," which adds to the base 2.4 kernel a layer of software for C >>managing storage, memory and redundant-processing components in a K >>fault-tolerant environment. Since the end result is a modified version of L >>Linux, Stratus provides support for the operating system. The company saysK >>it has been contributing code to the Linux community that will let future L >>versions of the kernel provide better support for fault tolerance. StratusJ >>hopes, by the end of the year, to build its ftLinux on top of a standardE >>Linux distribution such as Red Hat or SuSE Linux, says Denny Lane,  
 >>director >>of product marketing.  >> >>--H >>OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system. >>F >>R.I.P. Alpha - I could have had an EV8 but all I got was this lousy 	 >>Itanic.  >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:53:43 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? + Message-ID: <422E6537.5C350688@comcast.net>    Pat Moran wrote: > F > There is no problem using 'htmldoc' with mixed-case filenames in the > .HTM.  > C > By the way, after installing htmldoc on Alpha OpenVMS you need to A > define a logical htmldoc_data and setup a 'foreign command' for 
 > htmldoc: >  > e.g. > G > $ define htmldoc_data "sys$common/htmldoc/"    ! you need to use Unix  > syntax > , > $ htmldoc :== $sys$common:[htmldoc]htmldoc >  > Then just use: > 6 > $ htmldoc --webpage -f csvpng.ps (or.pdf) csvpng.htm  3 Thanx for that. I'm likely to get there eventually.   E I set up ftp:// access to the CSVPNG output on our PROD cluster so my E colleagues can use their browsers to view the graphs. They like it so H far, but they're now asking to combine all the nodes into another set of: graphs (we have A, B and C, now they want Cluster(A+B+C)).  A Any suggestions on how best to go about that? I haven't yet tried E combining T4 data for multiple nodes into a single (set of) graph(s).   H I'll see what I can do about posting the DCL for all this on my freeware site (no guarantees).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:23:00 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: How to grow OpenVMS?  Simple!+ Message-ID: <422E6C14.F078FAF8@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > E > Aren't there magic pills that could make VMS grow by three inches ?  > ; > Perhaps VMS management should try those pills :-) :-) :-)   . Easy there, guy. You'll attract the loonies...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:59:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Intel: 8086 won't encroach on IA64 B Message-ID: <1110315569.7e716f579e3c7af9b9be1d1bb3221f8f@teranews>  \ > http://news.com.com/Intel+x86+wont+encroach+on+Itanium/2100-1006_3-5604387.html?tag=st.num  E Intel confirms that IA64 is now aimed squarely at "big-iron" and that , the 8086 servers won't compete against IA64.  * No details about the successor to Tukwila.  0 Sun's server sales last year were at 6.7 billion6 IA64 server sales were at 1.6 billion for all vendors.    G Of course, 13 months ago, Intel was saying that the 8086 would never go < 64 bits. AMD forced Intel to change that one pretty quickly.  H If Intel doesn't scale its 8086 to the big-iron and AMD does, then IntelL will be forced to follow, just as it did for the 64 bit version of the 8086.  H BTW, reminds me of a certain company that had a similar policy of makingG sure Alpha didn't compete agianst 8086 systems, as 8086 systems grew in : power, guess which one retrated to ensure no competition ?  F The danger here is that Intel's next IA64 chip will be to EV7 what theF current chip is to EV68. EV7 was not suited for small systems, and theD smaller systems are stuck at EV68. Will developpers have to buy "bigA iron" machines to develop on IA64, and will VMS be competitive on 4 whatever smaller machine sremain available on IA64 ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:45:25 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>/ Subject: Re: Intel: 8086 won't encroach on IA64 2 Message-ID: <asadnar_9c-42rPfRVn-3A@mpowercom.net>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  < news:1110315569.7e716f579e3c7af9b9be1d1bb3221f8f@teranews...] >> http://news.com.com/Intel+x86+wont+encroach+on+Itanium/2100-1006_3-5604387.html?tag=st.num  > G > Intel confirms that IA64 is now aimed squarely at "big-iron" and that . > the 8086 servers won't compete against IA64. > M It begs the obvious question, just what constitutes a "big iron" server now?  M Granted an IA64 may outperform a Xeon on a per CPU basis, but a 1-2 CPU IA64  K that costs as much as a 4-way Xeon means Intel will have to set the bar at  L some large value of N in defining an N-way server as "big".  So if the IA64 L is destined for 16+ way servers (I assume 16 since AMDs max out at 8-way or K thereabouts), just how big is that market, and how much can they pull away  K from Sun and Xeons?  Are we back to a week's worth of wafer starts for the  0 lifetime inventory of any particular IA64 model?   Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:28:33 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> / Subject: Re: Intel: 8086 won't encroach on IA64 , Message-ID: <1N6dnWtrSMp3ybPfRVn-pQ@igs.net>   Jack Peacock wrote: < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message> > news:1110315569.7e716f579e3c7af9b9be1d1bb3221f8f@teranews... >>> L http://news.com.com/Intel+x86+wont+encroach+on+Itanium/2100-1006_3-5604387.h tml?tag=st.num >>H >> Intel confirms that IA64 is now aimed squarely at "big-iron" and that/ >> the 8086 servers won't compete against IA64.  >>B > It begs the obvious question, just what constitutes a "big iron"G > server now? Granted an IA64 may outperform a Xeon on a per CPU basis, C > but a 1-2 CPU IA64 that costs as much as a 4-way Xeon means Intel B > will have to set the bar at some large value of N in defining an@ > N-way server as "big".  So if the IA64 is destined for 16+ wayC > servers (I assume 16 since AMDs max out at 8-way or thereabouts), G > just how big is that market, and how much can they pull away from Sun C > and Xeons?  Are we back to a week's worth of wafer starts for the 4 >   lifetime inventory of any particular IA64 model?    J I'll bet that Alpha had higher annual run rates than the next 2-3 years of Itanics combined.    --. HP - Where Integrity means "No EV8 for You!!!"F OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.  D I could have had an EV8 but all I got was this lousy Itanic instead.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:19:37 -05004 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@SPAMTripleBreakProducts.com>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video1 Message-ID: <uPydnURJsr43rrPfRVn-gw@adelphia.com>   5 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  * news:112ovkdgibqke96@corp.supernews.com... > JF Mezei wrote: K > to HP. The firm just sacked an employee who was arguably the firm's most  I > effective message delivery system, which probably saved $150K or so per    Who got sacked, now?   mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:48:27 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video0 Message-ID: <112she6l5of9jc9@corp.supernews.com>   Mark Buda wrote:7 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  , > news:112ovkdgibqke96@corp.supernews.com... >  >>JF Mezei wrote: K >>to HP. The firm just sacked an employee who was arguably the firm's most  I >>effective message delivery system, which probably saved $150K or so per  >  >  > Who got sacked, now? >  > mark >  >   B Don't know.  I was just quoting a piece from the article by Terry 2 Shannon on the Inquirer.  He didn't mention names.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:18:09 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video+ Message-ID: <422E6AF0.98038460@comcast.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > U > In article <00A404DC.EBAA949C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > :In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594C71@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  >  > :...and once again, .WMV > : = > :VMS and Integrity... It's for Micro$oft PeeCee users only!  > C >   FWIW, I have been looking for a current mplayer port as well as E >   any mpeg-related player software, and other related packages, for F >   inclusion on the next Freeware.  Anyone have (more) current ports?  2 Yes, I hope someone DOES have a more current port.  H Yet, while I do promote the porting of UN*X-land freeware to VMS, I alsoA promote platform agnosticism, especially where that benefits VMS.   D I'm wondering if there is current software - either commercial, openH source or whatever - that HP might be convinced to use that provides theG Media Player proponents with their "toys" while not excluding those who G choose to shun proprietary de-facto standards in favor of the published  (true "industry") standards.    G Standards compliance has long been one of VMS's strong points. However, E the definition of "standard" has become so diluted and so skewed over F the course of recent years, that this is becoming (or already is) more of a liability than an asset.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:10:57 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>7 Subject: OpenVMS Job opportunity in Southern California / Message-ID: <BE538D21.8C60%roktsci@comcast.net>   K MTI, a leader in storage systems for over 20 years is looking for motivated K  individuals who are interested in providing software support for a variety J  of storage related software products. Applicants should be well versed inL  current storage and backup technologies for a wide variety of platforms andF  operating systems, especially OpenVMS. The particular position we areJ  looking to fill would require proficiency in the OpenVMS Operating system as  B  well as one or more of the following; UNIX, Linux and/or Windows. Background  J  in Networking, SAN/NAS storage systems, Oracle and or MS Exchange servers  are a big plus.      K MTI is a world-wide company with corporate offices located in Orange County F  in Southern California. The position would be in the Tustin CorporateI  office. The position would be supporting MTI's OpenVMS suite of software 3  products roughly 25% to 33% of the time initially.     B If you are interested, please send your cover letter and resume to  VMSSupport@mti.com.     http://support.mti.com http://www.mti.com     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:43:40 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) N Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax1 Message-ID: <MfnXd.1272$0q2.953@news.cpqcorp.net>   . In article <8765020zvl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  prep@prep.synonet.com writes:   A >You can have problems with any file opened by the primitive file B >system in the early boot stages. They are not normally written to1 >except for the epoc update in BASE_IMAGE though.  > B >Perhaps it is time to have something do real opens on those files2 >so as to ensure they can't be screwed around. ...  B This is the fix that is in OpenVMS V8.2 and the V7.3-x patch kits.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:08:54 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>N Subject: Re: PCSI product install failure - DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax+ Message-ID: <422E68C6.E2836119@comcast.net>    Charlie Hammond wrote: > b > In article <42292458.D45F227F@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > >Charlie Hammond wrote:  > >> [snip] N > >> We are embarrased to have caused this problem, and we offer our appology. > > E > >What you may want to consider for the next PCSI ECO is supplying a 3 > >utility that will recreate the PCSI database ...  > / > This has been and continues to be considered.  > = > However, fixing things that CAUSE problems is the priority.   % I'm in whole-hearted agreement there.   C Just don't leave the job half-done. If you make a mess, clean it up  *AND* prevent future messes.  < (Oh, SHIT! Here we go with the "half done" arguments again!)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:28:04 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>* Subject: Problem between Diskeeper and DVE+ Message-ID: <ENoXd.12781$gJ3.8550@clgrps13>   ) Has anyone else encountered this problem?   # VMS 7.3-2.  Patched up to Feb-2005. 4 Used HBVS, DDS, and DVE to migrate from Storageworks* shadow disks to slightly larger SAN disks.: Prior to migration, the Storageworks shadow disks were not3 dismounted or had SET VOLUME/LIMIT run against them + to increase the Expansion Size Limit value.   5 Format of a Storageworks shadow (from SHOW DEV/FULL): $     Logical Volume Size     35556389)     Total blocks                 35556389 %     Expansion Size Limit     39997440 * Note the relationship of the three values:     Logical  <=  Total     Total  <=  Expansion1 All the Storageworks disks had this relationship. : Diskeeper ran error-free against these Storageworks disks.   Format of a current SAN shadow: $     Logical Volume Size     39997440)     Total blocks                 44188800 %     Expansion Size Limit     39997440  Note the relationship:     Logical  <=  Total     Total  >  Expansion   = We have found that the Diskeeper defragger commands no longer = work on SAN shadows with this abnormal relationship.  Running : any Diskeeper command returns the following error message:     ... $     %SYSTEM-W-ENDOFFILE, end of file     ... 6 Has anyone else run into this problem and resolved it?  5 I know that there are other disk defraggers out there + for VMS - Perfectdisk, another one from HP.   ) Experiences and recommendations on these?    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2005 11:01:19 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions B Message-ID: <1110308097.779668.69930@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote: 2 > << Walmart is selling APC BackUPS Pro 1100VA/6701 > watt at $124.63.  I think this might be a cheap / > way to get power conditioning for my systems.  > ; > I have one of these backing up an Alphastation 600 5/333.   ; How long can that UPS keep the 600 going on battery backup?   < Does it also support a graphics monitor?  I would assume no.  	 > No real E > complaints, it was very inexpensive for the supplied power, but its  the G > 'consumer' level unit that provides stepped-sine power, not true sine E > wave.  It also has the dumb 'contact' based monitor port instead of  the E > smart port as used in the APC Smart-UPS series (which are also true F > sine wave power output).  Without the smart port, nice products likeA > Tmesis UPShot aren't an option for UPS monitoring and automated  > shutdown.   G I was thinking of living without UPS monitoring and automated shutdown.   @ But, I wonder if there is any hardware preservation advantage toC having the Alphas do a shutdown and power off as opposed to letting  the UPS run out of juice?    > C > On the other hand, the system has ridden through some significant  power F > fluctuations and brownouts without a problem so I suppose the UPS is/ > performing adequately as a power conditioner.  > F > If you want to make the effort you can purchase a small power meter,C > like the P3 International Kill-a-watt (I got mine from Amazon); a A > fellow COV member pointed me at them some weeks ago.  Plug your  systemB > into the meter, it measures a number of items like watts, volts, amps, F > line frequency, kwHrs, etc... you can use it to get the true measure ofC > your equipment's needs, which will help deciding how much (or how  many)  > UPS's you need.  > 
 > Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:48:46 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions ( Message-ID: <d0kviu$rd6$1@pcls4.std.com>  / > Walmart is selling APC BackUPS Pro 1100VA/670 1 > watt at $124.63.  I think this might be a cheap / > way to get power conditioning for my systems.   H Note that many inexpensive UPS's will simply pass through wall power as I long as it is present and within certain parameters.  They only switch to I inverter-generated power when they cut themselves off from the AC because G the AC went out (or voltage is too low etc.)  So to use such a UPS as a H "power conditioner" means it is nothing more than a very expensive powerJ strip with the surge protectors in it.  You only are using the benefits of whatever MOVs are in the UPS.   A I don't know whether that particular brand/model is one of those.  --   -Mike    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:38:56 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions 0 Message-ID: <00A4078E.2B0037C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <1110299937.719322.25490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:4 >First, my goal is to preserve my hardware via power/ >conditioning, not to avoid power interruption.  > . >Walmart is selling APC BackUPS Pro 1100VA/6700 >watt at $124.63.  I think this might be a cheap. >way to get power conditioning for my systems. > 	 >We have:  >  >2 Alpha Station 400/233s  >2 DS10s >1 AlphaServer 800 5/333 >1 DecPC AXP 150 in storage   0 All at one time on an 1100VA APC.  That's funny.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:32:29 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: VMS startup problem? + Message-ID: <422E6E4D.926D16F1@comcast.net>    John Willis wrote: >  > Hello, > E > Having a bit of a problem starting VMS 5.1. It seems that it begins F > execution of the startup procedure, but then it hangs. I'm wonderingE > if there's a way to bypass the startup procedures so I can find out * > what's wrong. Here's the messages I get: >  > KA630-A.V1.3 > ! > Performing normal system tests.  >  >   7..6..5..4..3..  >  > Tests completed. >  > Loading system software. > 
 >   2..1..0..  > G >    VAX/VMS Version V5.1     Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0  > ..M > $!  Copyright (c) 1988 Digital Equipment Corporation.  All rights reserved.  > C > The VAX/VMS system is now executing the system startup procedure.  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   7-MAR-2005 08:07:07.89  %%%%%%%%%%%1 > Logfile has been initialized by operator _OPA0: 1 > Logfile is SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]OPERATOR.LOG;769  > F > %LICENSE-I-LOADED, DEC FORTRAN was successfully loaded with 50 units > G > And then nothing. Almost looks like a system ready to be logged into, E > yet pressing Enter does nothing. I know the terminal emulator works E > because I am able to halt the system and type commands successfully  > at the >>> prompt.  A Well, Hoff mentioned Y2K. My first suspicion would be a Y2K issue H (something may be unable to deal with a year number like "05" or just 5,4 since that's before anything VMS really knows about.  G Secondly, how long has it been since this system ran last? "Bit rot" isaD not uncommon. Key portions of the disk may have become unreadable orG garbled over time, and this may cause a hang for any number of reasons.d  D Thirdly, may I assume you've been waiting a considerable time beforeD declaring it "hung"? Some portions of certain startups take rather aD long time and produce little or no visible output. If you're talkingG hours, yeah - it's probably hung. If less than 10 minutes, perhaps someM" more patience may reveal new data.  E Honestly, while V5.1 may run (KA630 is a MicroVAX-II, isn't it?), I'daD expect considerable challenges in the course of "normal" operations.   -- r David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:o" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/d   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:33:23 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)-E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk? ( Message-ID: <d0l97i$192$1@pcls4.std.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:c   >John Santos wrote:0C >> In JF's picture, there would also have to be a LAN connection ofhG >> some sort, since SCSI doesn't do SCS, and you would have to cut both,B >> the LAN and the SCSI at the same time to partition the cluster.  E >Nop. Cutting the SCSI would cause data corruption. The cluster mightuE >continue to operate, but node 1's, writing to DSA1: would only touche? >disk1, while node 2's writing to DSA1: would only touch disk2.l  < You need the LAN connection first, so that you can break it!  H (note: All the following assumes a DSAx: device worked as a quorum disk, which, of course, doesn't)  C A proper cluster would have a LAN connection and a functional SCSI W@ connection (no break at the X).  Remember, SCSI does not do SCS.  D If only the LAN connection broke the cluster would never form, sinceK the two nodes would try to form the shadowsets independently and "discover"eI each other through the quorum disk(s) (assuming they didn't scribble over.D everything.  Actually there seems to be something that prevents themI from booting as they see each other over the SCSI bus to know not to both(G boot if they can't form a cluster.  I said "disk(s)" because there'd beP: two "different" shadowsets with the same physical members.  H If only the SCSI bus was broken the systems would see each other via SCSI and form a cluster, and then either the DSAx: device would refuse to form G or it would function normally, depending on whether the MSCP server was K loaded.  (if not, the two nodes would have different views of the shadowsetmG and refuse to mount it.  If so, each could use the other to access the f% drive on the other side of the break)C  I If both SCSI and LAN were broken the two nodes would have no idea of eachyI other.  Both would try to build DSAx: with the one disk they have and the H one disk shadowsets would work fine, both would have a quorum and you'd # have two clusters.  JF's situation.S  H There is code in the quorum disk logic that deliberately disallows DSAx:? devices as quorum disk.  The previous paragraph is exactly why.  -- f -Mikee   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:35:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>SE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?'B Message-ID: <1110328541.7ccb1d7b3791df40c362952164951ff9@teranews>   Michael Moroney wrote:J > If only the SCSI bus was broken the systems would see each other via SCS > and form a cluster, .....     G One shouldn't try to find ways it would work, one has to find each ways-E where it fails, and either take action to mitigate that situation, or"* charge the way the cluster is architected.  F One has to take a global view of the cluster and each component in andB out of the cluster and see exactly what happens when each of thoseE components fails and if they fail in conjunction with another device.o  D And even after that, you setup your cluster and eventually will find, some sityuation you hadn't thought about :-)   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:21:32 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney).E Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?y( Message-ID: <d0lq3s$arj$1@pcls4.std.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:m   >Michael Moroney wrote:iK >> If only the SCSI bus was broken the systems would see each other via SCS1 >> and form a cluster, .....    H >One shouldn't try to find ways it would work, one has to find each waysF >where it fails, and either take action to mitigate that situation, or+ >charge the way the cluster is architected.p   ....  F Just pointing out that John Santos is correct, and adding more detail.G Without a LAN your broken cluster could never be a cluster in the first/I place (No SCS over SCSI, remember?), so with the SCSI bus broken in your sK diagram it wouldn't be a cluster of any sort but two independent systems.  uE With the SCSI bus unbroken, it's nothing but an illegal configurationg  D Other than the omission of the broken LAN connection, your point was correct.   Mike Moroney& HP OpenVMS Cluster Engineering Support -- j -Mikes   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:41:43 +0000 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>L Subject: Re: Why the mergers failed and Alphaservers in Private Eye Magazine1 Message-ID: <080320052141438514%nospam@yrl.co.uk>t  G In article <uPidnZ7LYrX8RLDfRVn-uw@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill ToddO <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:     K > Someone certainly appeared to have been doing something with it, even if  ! > better sense has now prevailed.   F Ever since the Dec-20, if somebody asked what colour it was, they were senior managment.e  C It always was, and always will be,  an infallible stupid managementV
 dork test.   -- oA I thought I would be the last on earth to mung my e-mail address.o fsnospam$elliott$$2 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.135 ************************