1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 136       Contents: Re: Bono vs. Carley 9 Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?   Re: Change MAC address on DE500?- RE: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI - Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI # Re: Changing Tape Device protection  Concurrent Batch/queue entries" Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries" Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries  Re: DECC floating point question* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?* Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences?! Re: How to grow OpenVMS?  Simple! ) MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message & Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson& Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video * Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses. Re: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses. Re: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses  Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL  Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL  Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions Re: VMS Alpha 8.2 with CSWS 2.0 < Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?C Re: Why the mergers failed and Alphaservers in Private Eye Magazine C Re: Why the mergers failed and Alphaservers in Private Eye Magazine   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 09:02:45 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Bono vs. Carley3 Message-ID: <Bckhn4hhhgFm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <d0idfj$12fc$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> writes:I > The race for World Bank president is hotting up with noted minstrel and M > heavyweight intellectual in the field of international affairs and banking, , > U2s own Bono, being mooted as a contender.F > http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/26/news/newsmakers/bc.people.bono.reut/  C    I'll take Bono.  He's actually been thinking about the Wold Bank     before today.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 05:51:09 -0800 ! From: mcaccavone@manfinancial.com B Subject: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?C Message-ID: <1110376269.942599.138500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   A I have just managed to get hold of a complied version of LYNX for F Openvms Alpha. How do I issue LYNX with Commands so that I can execute FTP in batch mode?     Regards,   Mark C.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:24:40 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?; Message-ID: <crFXd.7789$DW.6500@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>   / <mcaccavone@manfinancial.com> wrote in message  = news:1110376269.942599.138500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... B >I have just managed to get hold of a complied version of LYNX forH > Openvms Alpha. How do I issue LYNX with Commands so that I can execute > FTP in batch mode?  & Why not use FTP for FTP?  Or COPY/FTP?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 07:51:57 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? 3 Message-ID: <I$mgl266XevM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <05030413315673_27800279@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: = > From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  > D >>    Back when we used flexlm, it used the MAC address after DECnetK >>    changed it.  So if you're running DECnet, set the new system's DECnet = >>    address to the same as the old system's DECnet address.  > H >    Really?  I'd've figured that it would've used the hardware address,G > which is not so easy to change.  Might have been the vendor's choice, J > too.  (Ah, for the days of the DEQNA/DELQA, with the ID PROM in a socket1 > which could easily be moved from card to card.)  >   H    It wasn't hard to see the MAC address in the resulting license.  WhatE    was hard to se was how they got the checksum type information that     made the license valid.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:54:37 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 6 Subject: RE: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUIR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594DE4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Guy Morris [mailto:guy@sitevision.co.nz]=20  > Sent: March 8, 2005 10:34 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI >=20F > I have a DS10 running VMS 7.3 and Pathworks 6.0D.  Recently moved itF > from a W2000 environment to one predominantly XP.  The Pathworks hasH > been using NetBEUI since the previous hardware (AlphaServer 1000), butE > the XP machines really behave badly with NetBEUI installed.  So I'd D > like to lose it completely and just use TCP/IP (I use TCPWare) for > Pathworks. >=20E > I have tried changing the transport using ADMIN/CONF and also using ; > PWRK$CONFIGURE, but having done so have been unable to=20  > connect from anyE > of the PC's.  Can anyone suggest the missing step that will make it  > work?  >=20 > TIA. >=20   Guy,  B As I recall, you also have to do something with the TCPIP stack to enable PWIPdriver.  F Can you check the TCPware setup config to see if one of the menu items
 enables this?   G You likely already know this, but PW 6.0D is extremely old and may have D issues with Windows XP. Actually, VMS V7.3 is likely 6+ years old asH well, so if the clients have been upgraded to the latest available, thenH a reasonable expectation for smooth sailing might be to also upgrade the server as well.   D Latest on server side is VMS V7.3-2 and Advanced Server V7.3A ECO 4.  
 Reference:2 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/asovmsnew.html8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/pw_win2000_stat.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:00:08 -0500$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>6 Subject: Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI, Message-ID: <d0n31t$9sp$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi Guy,   5 "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> wrote in message  < news:1110339256.224719.72430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...E >I have a DS10 running VMS 7.3 and Pathworks 6.0D.  Recently moved it F > from a W2000 environment to one predominantly XP.  The Pathworks hasH > been using NetBEUI since the previous hardware (AlphaServer 1000), butE > the XP machines really behave badly with NetBEUI installed.  So I'd D > like to lose it completely and just use TCP/IP (I use TCPWare) for > Pathworks. > E > I have tried changing the transport using ADMIN/CONF and also using I > PWRK$CONFIGURE, but having done so have been unable to connect from any E > of the PC's.  Can anyone suggest the missing step that will make it  > work?  >  > TIA.  M Just for future reference, PWRK$CONFIG.COM simply runs $ ADMIN/CONFIG, so no   need to do both.  I As for the TCP/IP connectivity issue, first make sure the pwrk$knbdaemon  . process still exists after starting PATHWORKS:  '     $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands      $ pwshow  K   If not, PATHWORKS TCP/IP support requires the TCP/IP software to provide  K what's referred to as a "PWIP" interface or driver.  That typically has to  K be enabled, but I'm not sure how to do so with TCPWare (check the web site  J or docs).   I think even with TCPWare, if PWIP is enabled a PWIP0: device  will exist:        $ show dev pw   F   If PWIP0: exists, check pwrk$logs:pwrk$knbdaemon_<nodename>.log for  errors.   I If the pwrk$knbdaemon process is running (as well as pwrk$lmsrv), see if  H NetBIOS name resolution is the problem.  First check that the PATHWORKS  server can find its own name:   ) $ nbshow knbstatus <PATHWORKS-servername>   $ You should get a list of names back.   Then check from a client:   A C:\> NBTSTAT -a <PATHWORKS-servername>    # Lowercase -a required   I You should get the same list of names back; if you get "host not found",   then try querying by address:   C C:\> NBTSTAT -A <PATHWORKS-server-ipaddr>   # Uppercase -A required   K If you can query by address but not name it's likely because the client is  K not on the same subnet as the server; you'll need to provide some means of  J mapping netbios names to ip addresses such as a WINS server or an LMHOSTS  file (on the clients).   HTH,   Paul     ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:38:20 -0500* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>, Subject: Re: Changing Tape Device protection, Message-ID: <398chvF60bbisU1@individual.net>  # Thanks, this is useful information.    Marty   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:422E6395.DE7DF16A@comcast.net...  : Marty O'Connor wrote:  : >  : > : L : > : That's EXACTLY how this was manifested. The entries in SYS$DEVICES.DATK : > : did not configure at boot up; however, in attempting to find out what L : > : happened, I tried IO REPLACE, and guess what? Somehow the WWIDs of allH : > : my drives got scrambled. To this day, no one knows how that can be. : > : possible, but I (and my partner) saw it! : > :  : > : -- : > : David J Dachtera : > : dba DJE Systems  : > : http://www.djesys.com/ : > b : > I believe you. I spent the first few month of our new EVA (about 3 years ago) getting the tapea : > drives set the way I wanted them setup. The worst thing was that we had to shutdown the whole ` : > cluster so that it would "forget" the current information and only use the carefully updated# : > information in SYS$DEVICES.DAT.  : A : Ah, yes. What they don't tell you is that the "clusterwide data F : structure" is a logical name table, LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE. The LNMs areJ : /EXEC mode, but notice that there is a device name, such as $2$MGA0 as aG : LNM whose translation is a binary value stored as a string, and a LNM F : where the name is the binary value and the translation is the device : name.  :  : <unsupported> 0 : To get rid of an entry, you can (for example): : 5 : $ TRN = F$TRNLNM( "$2$MGA0", "LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE" ) + : $ DEAS/EXEC/TABLE=LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE &TRN . : $ DEAS/EXEC/TABLE=LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE $2$MGA0 : * : (Requires CMEXEC and SYSNAM privileges.) : I : So long as you refrain from MC SYSMAN IO AUTOCON after IO FIND, you can J : delete the LNMs from the table (using DEASSIGN) and repeat IO FIND untilG : you have everything as it should be. Then, IO AUTOCON will set up the  : DCBs.  : </unsupported> : G : For devices in SYS$DEVICES, that's a problem because you can't delete F : the DCB and recreate it, although IO REPLACE is frequently possible.F : Note, however, that IO REPLACE simply adds a new entry at the end ofD : SYS$DEVICES.DAT - it does not attempt to filter out the old entry. : G : Also, SYSMAN for V7.3-2 has some new IO keywords. For example you can G : get a LIST of all the devices that have not already been entered into G : LNM$DEV_WWID_TABLE on the current node to see what IO FIND will do to  : you. :  : <unsupported> E : When I added our development cluster to the TSAN, I grabbed the MGA J : entries from SYS$DEVICES.DAT on the PROD cluster and added them manuallyJ : to the tape service node in the dev. cluster, then did IO LIST to verify2 : it was correct and IO AUTOCON to configure them. : </unsupported> :  : VMS/Alpha hackery... :  : -- : David J Dachtera : dba DJE Systems  : http://www.djesys.com/ : + : Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ : http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ : * : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! : http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  : $ : Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! : http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  :  : Coming soon:( : Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 07:19:36 -0800 # From: cbell@qch.on.ca (Johnny Hosp) ' Subject: Concurrent Batch/queue entries = Message-ID: <e2db8f9b.0503090719.55114d82@posting.google.com>    Hi, @ We are running VMS 7.2 on an alpha box and back it up nightly byE submitting a batch job that performs the back-up and resubmits itself ? for the following night. We have recently been having recurring < failures where the batch job performing the back-up hangs asA "executing". I don't see any cause of this in the log files etc.. E However I do notice that on the nights the back-up batch hangs, there E seems to be another batch job hung as well in a different queue. I am ? making a guess that this other job being hung is preventing our B back-up batch job from executing properly. Is there an environmentB setting that controls the maximum number fo concurrent batch/queueE entries? And if so, if this is set to 1 or 2 would it  be causing our  back-up batch from executing?    Thanks,  Cory   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:26:21 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> + Subject: Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries , Message-ID: <ntGXd.42663$qa5.32011@fe06.lga>   Johnny Hosp wrote: > Is there an environment D > setting that controls the maximum number fo concurrent batch/queueG > entries? And if so, if this is set to 1 or 2 would it  be causing our  > back-up batch from executing?   	 Possibly.    $ SHOW QUERE <queuename>/FULL    What is JOB_LIMIT?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:35:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries B Message-ID: <1110389732.3da29652d9fbb51278c0120b6d0c0e3e@teranews>   Johnny Hosp wrote:G > However I do notice that on the nights the back-up batch hangs, there C > seems to be another batch job hung as well in a different queue.    H If it is on a different queue, then your choices are quite limited. YourH best bet is to increase the logging level to try to see why it hangs and fix the problem.  C for instance, BACKUP/LOG will display more of less which file it is H processing when it hangs (or rather the file before it, so you fcan takeC an educated guess on which file was being processed when it hangs).    You can also use    C PIPE SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS <disk> | search sys$input <process_name>  F and this will give you all the files that a process has opened on thatH disk, and if you do that for the second job, you may find out which file causes some deadlock.   E On yur backup, you may also want /IGNORE=INTERLOCK to allow backup to E read contents of locked files, and that gives it pretty much a bullet H proof way of going thorugh the disk and completing its task (at the costE of backing up some locked file which may not be in a proper state and  with incomplete records etc).    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 07:55:09 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: DECC floating point question 3 Message-ID: <Jfb8d0030ZE6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <112ov83r9b5og1f@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > J > Has my memory failed me again?  I thought that D-float was converted to > > IEEE float for any colculations.  Is it G-float that's used?  A    It is G float that the load/store D float instructions convert     to/from.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:27:47 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= 3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? , Message-ID: <397mrlF6007svU1@individual.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Pat Moran wrote: > F >>There is no problem using 'htmldoc' with mixed-case filenames in the >>.HTM.  >>C >>By the way, after installing htmldoc on Alpha OpenVMS you need to A >>define a logical htmldoc_data and setup a 'foreign command' for 
 >>htmldoc: >> >>e.g. >>G >>$ define htmldoc_data "sys$common/htmldoc/"    ! you need to use Unix  >>syntax >>, >>$ htmldoc :== $sys$common:[htmldoc]htmldoc >> >>Then just use: >>6 >>$ htmldoc --webpage -f csvpng.ps (or.pdf) csvpng.htm >  > 5 > Thanx for that. I'm likely to get there eventually.  > G > I set up ftp:// access to the CSVPNG output on our PROD cluster so my G > colleagues can use their browsers to view the graphs. They like it so J > far, but they're now asking to combine all the nodes into another set of< > graphs (we have A, B and C, now they want Cluster(A+B+C)). > C > Any suggestions on how best to go about that? I haven't yet tried G > combining T4 data for multiple nodes into a single (set of) graph(s).  >   C I have build some tools around T4, which use a MySQL database as a  ) backend and are daily used on some sites. B We build two databases for each cluster, one with a 1 minute data 9 resolution and the other with an 1 hours data resolution.   H Graphs can be view using a standalone Java application which use a very  nice chart library (jfreechart)  Some screenshots at ; http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/t4/screenshots/   D The other is a Python application which use the GDCHART library and . allow to view the graph through a web broswer.- Demonstration on http://vmspython.dyndns.org/  look at T4 viewer.  The graph are dynamically build.      J > I'll see what I can do about posting the DCL for all this on my freeware > site (no guarantees).  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 03:23:01 -0800 ' From: "Pat Moran" <pat.moran@gmail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Has anyone had any bad T4 experiences? B Message-ID: <1110367381.171120.63650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   David,   Try multifile graphs:   B Assuming you have T4 data from the cluster nodes for the same timeD period, this command will plot matching parameters from each node on
 one chart:  ; csvpng T4_*_<datetime>.CSV /param=all /width=xxx /heigh=xxx   D You could try the /stack and /fill options to see if you the results	 you want.    Pat    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 05:43:27 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> * Subject: Re: How to grow OpenVMS?  Simple!( Message-ID: <opsndhqpk4zgicya@hyrrokkin>  6 On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:23:00 -0600, David J Dachtera  " <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >>F >> Aren't there magic pills that could make VMS grow by three inches ? >>< >> Perhaps VMS management should try those pills :-) :-) :-) > 0 > Easy there, guy. You'll attract the loonies... >   C That's fine, the Canadian dollar's outlook for the year looks good.      --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:53:22 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA messageB Message-ID: <1110390803.dc1942b77670e977506515c87573d248@teranews>  D Had a strange thing happen today. I was running MOSAIC 3.8 on my vaxE workstation (VMS 7.2), and I could hear the disk tick every couple of H seconds, even though there was no activity on my part. The system showed8 DECW$SERVER_0 consuming bertween 30 and 50% of CPU time.    B Turns out that its log DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG was filling up with messages every second:9 9-MAR-2005 11:14:56.4 clipList did not get into Offscreen 6  9-MAR-2005 11:14:56.5 scn_ClipFromRegion:  Define/Sys DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA to   be larger than 6528:  9-MAR-2005 11:14:57.6 clipList did not get into Offscreen6  9-MAR-2005 11:14:57.6 scn_ClipFromRegion:  Define/Sys DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA to   be larger than 6528    G When I exited MOSAIC, this stopped. It had never happened to me before.   B Does anyone know what this means ?  Does defining the logical take9 effect immediatly, or only upon the server's restarting ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:24:50 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com / Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson - Message-ID: <87vf81yscd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:   > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:+ >> John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:    >>>prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:   E >>>>THere is a bigger problem. Part of the AMD64 move was dropping to  >>>>only 2 CPU modes, not 4.  E >>>The whole two versus four mode in hardware issue is a red herring. B >>>As an exercise, go see how many HARDWARE modes are in the Alpha# >>>architecture.  Here's a hint: 2. / >> By my count, PAL, Kernel, Exec, Super, User.   B > Most of those are just an illusion of the PAL code.  Look at theC > Tru64 PAL code and see how many modes it presents to the OS.  The  > hardware just has two.  @ Even with unix brain death, I still count PAL, Kernel, and User.' Look at the TLBs and see what is there.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 07:47:07 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson 3 Message-ID: <5dX3HJOc3C2T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1109987230.367785.7860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: > B > Easy. You take a frozen version of the VMS source. Hand it to an= > engineer locked in a dark room and say "show we can do it". B > Only after you have made the decision to go do you risk leaks byH > starting to synch the projects. But if do you make a final decision toG > move forward I guess you announce it fairly quickly. I am reminded of H > the (apocryphal?) mad VMS engineer who allegedly proved VMS could workG > on Itanium before the actual port. I just hope something like this is  > happening.  D    Almost exactly the mistake made when DEC ported VMS to Alpha, and=    a large part of why VAXen got left behind on new features.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 02:51:14 -0800 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoC Message-ID: <1110365474.318970.309550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > Mark Buda wrote:8 > > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message. > > news:112ovkdgibqke96@corp.supernews.com... > >    > >  > > Who got sacked, now? > >  > > mark  " Are you still working for HP Mark?   > C > Don't know.  I was just quoting a piece from the article by Terry 4 > Shannon on the Inquirer.  He didn't mention names.  F NOT Sue I hope? "effective message delivery system" certainly applies.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:24:31 -0500 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video0 Message-ID: <AuCdnWDGMOpid7PfRVn-jw@comcast.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>Mark Buda wrote: >>7 >>>"Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message - >>>news:112ovkdgibqke96@corp.supernews.com...  >>>  >  >  >>>Who got sacked, now?  >>>  >>>mark  >  > $ > Are you still working for HP Mark? >  > C >>Don't know.  I was just quoting a piece from the article by Terry 4 >>Shannon on the Inquirer.  He didn't mention names. >  > H > NOT Sue I hope? "effective message delivery system" certainly applies. >  > -- > Alan Greig >   E Sue is still sending information to the Encompass VMS SIG list, so I  G don't think it's her (though I was worried it was her, when I read the  	 article).    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 05:24:03 -0800 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoC Message-ID: <1110374643.910300.231010@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:   4 > Yes, I hope someone DOES have a more current port. > E > Yet, while I do promote the porting of UN*X-land freeware to VMS, I  alsoC > promote platform agnosticism, especially where that benefits VMS.  > F > I'm wondering if there is current software - either commercial, openF > source or whatever - that HP might be convinced to use that provides the E > Media Player proponents with their "toys" while not excluding those  who ? > choose to shun proprietary de-facto standards in favor of the 	 published  > (true "industry") standards.  @ There is a Linux port of Real Player which Real Networks provideB unsupported "as is". Might a VMS port be possible? Real Player forD Linux/Unix/Mac appears to be based on open source Helix. Here's what: Real says about it at the following ridiculously long URL:ghttp://real.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/real.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=593&p_created=1085179750&p_sid=jPj8UYzh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NCZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPXNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0zJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPTE1NyZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPSZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXVuaXg*&p_li=&p_prod_lvl1=3&p_prod_lvl2=157&tabName=tab0    " :   	Can I get support for my Linux, Solaris or UNIX player?   	Question :   	Can I get support for my Linux, Solaris or UNIX player?	   	Answer F   	Real has made available a community-supported version of RealPlayerE 10 at the RealPlayer 10 for Linux page. Also, check out the latest in " the Helix Community player project- https://player.helixcommunity.org/?from=forms   ? A special public forum has been provided to give users of these F products a place to share their thoughts and experiences. We encourage7 you to use the Helix Community Forums for this purpose.  "  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:26:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoB Message-ID: <1110389166.d9f06a522047fce5535f2ff294c467f9@teranews>    re: marketing person who left HP  H Shannon may have been referring to the young marketing guru that left HPA recently to go back to Apple. She was not "VMS" employee, she was G corporate marketing where there is real money spent. I posted something 3 when this happened, not long after Carly was fired.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:32:25 -0500? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> 3 Subject: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses 9 Message-ID: <oECXd.15748$6g7.1501@bignews1.bellsouth.net>    Hello there VMS users!  : Seems the supply of these systems is now somewhat limited.I We have over 30 of these systems, half of them with BRAND new VMS and EIp  Licenses   Pricing is below:    Refurbished (not used)   Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz EV67 1GB Compaq Memory  KZPEA-DB U160 SCSI Controller  Dual 72GB 10KRPM Disk U160 Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board  Radeon 7500 64MB PCI Graphics  Keyboard and 3 Button Mouse  USA/EU/Aust. Power Cord ; New OpenVMS Base and EIP (TCPIP DECNET Motif etc.) licenses    Total Per System: $6500 each    > Warranty: 12 months (extendable to 36 months for extra charge)< We accept Purchase Orders, Visa and Mastercard, and Cheques.   Shipping: Domestic USA $60                Canada: $100                 EU West $150                 EU East: $180                 Australasia: $190    5 Call us on Toll Free 877-636 4332 or USA 912 447 6622   
 Thanks all  0 ________________________________________________ David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Mobile: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com0 ________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:42:10 +0000 " From: Jiri Kulhan <jiri@kulhan.cz>7 Subject: Re: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses , Message-ID: <398cpjF5vgtcoU1@individual.net>  > There were times when then VMS license were not allowed to be E transferred / sold to another subject than the original owner, is it   different now?   Jiri  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:    > Hello there VMS users! > < > Seems the supply of these systems is now somewhat limited.K > We have over 30 of these systems, half of them with BRAND new VMS and EIp 
 > Licenses >  > Pricing is below:  >  > Refurbished (not used) >  > Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz EV67 > 1GB Compaq Memory  > KZPEA-DB U160 SCSI Controller  > Dual 72GB 10KRPM Disk U160 > Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board  > Radeon 7500 64MB PCI Graphics  > Keyboard and 3 Button Mouse  > USA/EU/Aust. Power Cord = > New OpenVMS Base and EIP (TCPIP DECNET Motif etc.) licenses  >  > Total Per System: $6500 each >  > @ > Warranty: 12 months (extendable to 36 months for extra charge)> > We accept Purchase Orders, Visa and Mastercard, and Cheques. >  > Shipping: Domestic USA $60 >                Canada: $100  >                EU West $150  >                EU East: $180" >                Australasia: $190 >  > 7 > Call us on Toll Free 877-636 4332 or USA 912 447 6622  >  > Thanks all >    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:53:15 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: Re: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses 0 Message-ID: <newscache$rw73di$h24$1@news.sil.at>  Q In article <398cpjF5vgtcoU1@individual.net>, Jiri Kulhan <jiri@kulhan.cz> writes: ? >There were times when then VMS license were not allowed to be  F >transferred / sold to another subject than the original owner, is it  >different now?   2 http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=policies. http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=xfer   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:19:12 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk) Subject: Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL ) Message-ID: <d0n7m0$hei$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   r In article <1110233049.a10540dcf531f57da8ce00752255d50c@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >"Gareth V. Williams" wrote: > F >When you send to user@ip.ad.dr.ess   , you need to make sure that the/ >VMS host actually knows about that ip address.  > N When specifying an ip address in the rcpt to address you should enclose it in I square brackets ie user@[aa.bb.cc.dd]. This is known as a domain literal.    According to the RFCs    " G An SMTP MUST accept and recognise a domain literal for any of it's own  
 IP addresses.  "   ' see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1123.txt    section 5.2.17  M The systems which most consistently seem to break this are Microsoft Exchange  servers.        I >For instance, if you internet address on the wan side is 69.45.23.45 but H >your VMS host, behind a NAT router knows itself as 10.0.0.34, then whenH >it gets a message destined for gareth@69.45.23.45 it woudln't know that >it belonged to itself.  > F If it is being advertised to the outside world as a particular addressF then it should be setup to accept mail destined for that address as a  domain literal.   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     > F >> I have looked at SFF, but that simply calls the MAIL facility to doG >> the work of transfrring the data and so I cannot use it to send mail 1 >> to "GARETH" and have it arrive at my home box.  > C >SFF does not call VMSmail. It submits a job to the SMTP symbiont.   >  > % >> $ write smtplink "RCPT TO: gareth"  > E >This tells the receiving VMS system to simply add whatever the local @ >domain name is is deliver the message to the local user gareth. > @ >But real emails have a RCPT TO: that contains a fully qualifiedH >user/domain and the receiving smtp server will try to resolve the domanJ >portion to see if the email needs to be forwarded to another host or not.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk) Subject: Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL ) Message-ID: <d0n8ka$hqh$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <422cd956@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>, "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> writes:0 >Keith A. Lewis <klewis@lumina.mitre.org> wrote: >: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> writes in article <422ca7fb@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu> dated 7 Mar 2005 14:14:03 -0500:O >: One thing you're doing "wrong" -- after "DATA" there should be a full rfc822 N >: message.  Headers, blankline, body, then ".".  The headers section needs toJ >: contain some minimum set -- I think it's {to, from, subject}.  Date andC >: Message-ID are optional (I think) but they are almost universal.o >rH >  I've not found that to be the case when I've made a manual connectionJ >to the SMTP port on my home machine.  Once I've done the "MAIL FROM:" andF >the "RCPT TO:", I just do "DATA" and type a test message, without any4 >RFC822 headers and the test message gets delivered. >P  L Any moderately competently written mail server will just fix this up for youM using the Envelope information it has been given, putting in the current date  and generating a message-id.N It may well also put in another header to indicate that it has done this which) an anti-spam product might then act upon.     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      G >: I'm not sure that this is what's causing your problem but you shouldP# >: probably fix it as a first step.t >iF >  I modified the command file.  Still didn't work :-(  But thanks for
 >the thought.s >e
 >   Gareth >d >o >-- I >------------------------------------------------------------------------eI >Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.n, >Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet CenterI >gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html-8 >OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:46:43 -0500K- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-) Subject: Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL B Message-ID: <1110390405.95106e775003a24628130bdecd8ad58c@teranews>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: O > When specifying an ip address in the rcpt to address you should enclose it inhK > square brackets ie user@[aa.bb.cc.dd]. This is known as a domain literal.   H > An SMTP MUST accept and recognise a domain literal for any of it's own > IP addresses.l   VMS TCPIP Services doesn't.n  / Printing debug_level 2, Domains and recipients:  Domain: [234.45.67.65]/    Recipient address:  <jfmezei@[234.45.67.65]>0$    Domain part:       [234.45.67.65]    Local part:        jfmezei 9    Address Status:    Not done, not delivered. (Requeued)D  ) Printing debug_level 2, relevant headers:e) Return-Path: SMTP%"jfmezei@chocolate.com"hA Received: from BIKE (10.0.0.10)  by bike.vaxination.ca (V5.3-18E,u OpenVMS V7.2 V# AX); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:36:53 -0500t From: jfmezei@vanilla.coma Subject: test message- To: jfmezei@[234.45.67.65]    H When I entered the RCPT TO: command, I could hear/feel the system try to> work out the destination, instead if deciding this was a localE destination. In a few days, I should get an email from the postamsterv  telling me it cannot deliver it.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 04:28:19 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.come- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionsnC Message-ID: <1110371298.972617.297210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:TD > In article <1110299937.719322.25490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:m6 > >First, my goal is to preserve my hardware via power1 > >conditioning, not to avoid power interruption.g > > 0 > >Walmart is selling APC BackUPS Pro 1100VA/6702 > >watt at $124.63.  I think this might be a cheap0 > >way to get power conditioning for my systems. > >@ > >We have:. > >p > >2 Alpha Station 400/233s 
 > >2 DS10s > >1 AlphaServer 800 5/333 > >1 DecPC AXP 150 in storage  > 2 > All at one time on an 1100VA APC.  That's funny.  G I was considering getting 5 of them.  The DecPC is an extra in storage.a$ And, maybe more to support monitors.   >t > --2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
 >            v6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 07:29:34 -0800r From: jordan@ccs4vms.com- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions C Message-ID: <1110382174.644665.269490@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>k  @ You really should consider finding out actual power draw of yourE equipment, else you may be overbuying UPS power; especially since runiC time after a power loss doesn't seem to be much of an issue to you.pD You can just count up the power supply wattages to get a pretty high estimate if you want....  F F.Ex. my AS600 has a 400 watt power supply.  Using the kill-a-watt I'mF finding peak draw for all of the following items tops out at 315 wattsC (360 watts if _everything_ starts up at the same time), with steady  state draw of around 295 watts:   . - UPS only (APC BackUPS Pro-1100)     20 watts. - Network switch and fan              20 watts
 - BA364 towern.   (with 9GB and 50GB 7200RPM disks)   30 watts'   (up to 50 watts while drives spun up)l%   (up to 45 watts when drives active) . - AS600 idle, webserver idle         225 watts    (with 2x RZ28M, 256MB RAM)     (peak startup 270 watts)t!    (webserver active, ~245 watts)D  H Thats quite a bit less for the system itself than the rated 400 watts...   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 07:34:26 -0800e From: jordan@ccs4vms.com- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions C Message-ID: <1110382466.208214.229620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>n  C Also forgot to mention; APC (and possibly other vendors) make powereE line conditioning equipment that is less expensive than a UPS.  Given B your desires that might be a better fit.  The APC units are calledA "Line-R" and come in 300, 600, and 1200VA units.  A couple of ouraD customers use them and they appear to work well but I have no direct experience.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:51:46 -0800s' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>3- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionso+ Message-ID: <d0n9j2$h2g$1@naig.caltech.edu>7   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:sB > It also has the dumb 'contact' based monitor port instead of theE > smart port as used in the APC Smart-UPS series (which are also truemF > sine wave power output).  Without the smart port, nice products likeA > Tmesis UPShot aren't an option for UPS monitoring and automated  > shutdown.M  B Not sure how "nice" it is, but I wrote a little package "tcontrol"F to control a TrippLite with a similar contact interface over a serial K line. It worked fine on our VMS DS10.  The package is still available here:   >    ftp://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/tcontrol.zip  A This is pretty simple software, there's one piece that reads/setsyB the serial line pins and a script that wraps around that to decide4 what to do about the detected power events (if any).  ? The tricky part may be finding the hardware info for which pins @ on the port do what.  Often these sorts of ports require special* serial line cables with pull up resistors.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 15:58:08 +0200- From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi>f( Subject: Re: VMS Alpha 8.2 with CSWS 2.06 Message-ID: <UhDXd.101$J93.76@reader1.news.jippii.net>  : "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> kirjoitti viestiss' news:422c4ec9@duster.adelaide.on.net...e > Kari Keronen wrote:s5 > > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> kirjoitti viestiss & > > news:opsmww9xn6zgicya@hyrrokkin... > >sH > >>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:56:05 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote: > >> > >>9 > >>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:58:10 -0000, "Richard Brodie"a <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>o > >>>wrote:a > >>>a > >>> > > >>>>"Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> wrote in message9 > >>>>news:QyEUd.1282$cg3.1241@reader1.news.jippii.net...i > >>>> > >>>>H > >>>>>KAJAVA$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.APACHE.][000000]APACHE$APR_SHRP.EXE;1B > >>>>>-SYSTEM-W-SYSVERDIF, system version mismatch; please relink > >>>>>r > >>>>>Known problem or what ? > >>>>I > >>>>Apparently, something in the Apache port required some system levele > >>>>hacking, so I guessvI > >>>>you're out of luck until there is a new release. Someone else might  > >>>>have the inside track onJ > >>>>this... but obviously, porting the 1.3 stream was a higher priority. > >>>oL > >>>CSWS 2.0 does not support OpenVMS 8.2. You'll need to wait for CSWS 2.1 > >>>iftL > >>>you're running OpenVMS 8.2. This should ship or rather be available for
 > >>>downloadp > >>>Real Soon Now.  > >># > >>Have you tried installing WASD?i > >i > >bJ > > No, but if someone has tried WASD on OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha/ODS-5, I'd like to > > know the results.a/ > > I don't currently have time to do the test.S >r; > Just installed and built it OK after a WASD-clean reboot.  >- > KLAATU$ cc /ver-) > Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V8.2- > KLAATU$ show default >    DKA100:[HT_ROOT]> > LAATU$ show dev dka100/fullv > L > Disk $1$DKA100: (KLAATU), device type DEC RZ28D, is online, mounted, file-E >      oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server,s > error logginge >      is enabled. > 8< snip 8<J >    Volume Status:  ODS-5, subject to mount verification, file high-water
 > marking,$ >        write-back caching enabled. >T4 > Will report on I64 V8.2 when it becomes available. >iI Thanks for infomation. I actually do have one I64 v8.2 up and running, soo that interests also.   -Kari-  H > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+G >   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaidehH >   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)= >   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes.yH > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ >o
 > > -Kari- > >t > >a > >>>--d > >>>Nigel Barker $ > >>>Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur > >> > >> > >> > >>-- yG > >>Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/h > >. > >  > >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 05:41:59 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>aE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?A( Message-ID: <opsndhn9mvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  C On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:42:03 GMT, John Santos <john@egh.com> wrote:v   > Tom Linden wrote:nF >> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:07:24 GMT, John Santos <john@egh.com> wrote: >> >>> Tom Linden wrote:  >>> 5 >>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:54:50 -0500, JF Mezei     * >>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tom Linden wrote:T >>>>>$G >>>>>> can't be a quorum disk.  Suppose you have a shadow set, DSA0,   u >>>>>> hysically >>>>>> consistingtH >>>>>> of two drives and connected by, say,shared scsi to nodes A and B. >>>>>t >>>>>D >>>>> 
 >>>>>     S >>>>> ============================/X/=====================================(scsi)   eG >>>>>     |                |                   |                      |dK >>>>>   [node1]          [disk1]             [disk2]                [node2]. >>>>>eH >>>>> If you break the SCSI at X, then both nodes will still see their   >>>>> quorum@ >>>>> disk and each node will just work with the drive they see. >>>>8 >>>>   The picture I had in mind might be something like >>>>                      LANt' >>>>            _______________________N( >>>>            |                      |( >>>>            |        SCSI          |* >>>>          NODE A ============== NODE B >>>>                       I >>>>                       I >>>>                      DSA0  >>>>                  ----------! >>>>                  |         |u# >>>>                disk1     disk2t >>>c >>>tK >>> This isn't an acurate picture.  DSA0: is not a hardware device, sitting.E >>> on a bus, as you've picture here.  It is a software fiction.  TheyE >>> physical disks are connected to one or more adapters as in JF's  d >>> picture.E >>   Fiction or not, could it not be done? Why does it have to be a  d >> hardware  device?H >> In my case, e.g. I have a BA356 with 3 shadow sets on a scsi shared  
 >> amongst6 >> three nodes, which each of their own internal disks >> >-G > It can't be done because it is impossible.  You can't have a piece ofcD > software hanging off a SCSI bus.  You have two choices to make theB > picture reflect what is possible.  If you want to use VMS volumeA > shadowing, then the picture shows DSA0 in the wrong place.  TheuG > shadowing driver (two copies) lives in the two nodes, not hanging off H > the common SCSI bus.  Then JF's picture applies and a severed SCSI busE > (or, maybe if the provision's I've mentioned in another post apply,sF > a simultaneaously severed SCSI bus and LAN), will cause each node toH > continue running, thinking it has access to the quorum disk, resulting1 > in a partitioned cluster and eventual disaster.a  J I guess I should have expalined the picture better, clustering is providedH over the LAN, the shared scsi bus is just that with data disks no system disks. >bF > The 2nd choice is using a hardware raid controller, and *NOT* volumeG > shadowing, in which case the picture is still wrong, since a hardware E > raid controller *NEVER* would show up as DSA0:.  It would be DRA0:,2= > or a bunch of DKAnnn: devices (if it were an HSZx0.)  It isuE > perfectly okay to use a DRA or DKA raid partition as a quorum disk,sE > provided it isn't also shadowed with VMS volume shadowing, in whichu- > case we're back to the 1st situation again.A >i > y  >>>iI >>> Your picture is a more accurate depiction of a RAID controller, whichgC >>> would be DRA0:, not DSA0:, and which is fine to use for quorum.I >>> D >>> In JF's picture, there would also have to be a LAN connection ofH >>> some sort, since SCSI doesn't do SCS, and you would have to cut bothC >>> the LAN and the SCSI at the same time to partition the cluster.2 >>>c >>>t >>>w >> >o >y       -- :C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:48:58 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>L Subject: Re: Why the mergers failed and Alphaservers in Private Eye Magazine, Message-ID: <398nnaF5vldeaU1@individual.net>   Alan Greig wrote:A  
 > Doc. wrote:p >  >  >>Just to confirm that...  >> >> > Q > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/ProLiantdl380/questionanswer.html#37w >  > G > If I try to click on this URL (corrected for wrap) or even access the H > page via navigating down through the HP web site I get an error saying, > "Redirection limit for this page exceeded" > I > Is it vanishing or can HP just not run web servers reliably. Other info / > on the HP site I tried to access worked fine.u > 0 It just worked fine for me (Safari, JS disabled)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:56:37 +0100o& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>L Subject: Re: Why the mergers failed and Alphaservers in Private Eye Magazine, Message-ID: <398o5lF5vdl33U1@individual.net>   Doc. wrote:-  % > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Alan Greig wrote in < > news:1110294185.722867.72900@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com  >  > 
 >>Doc. wrote:u >  > I >>http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/ProLiantdl380/questionanswers >>.html#37   >>G >>If I try to click on this URL (corrected for wrap) or even access the.H >>page via navigating down through the HP web site I get an error saying, >>"Redirection limit for this page exceeded" >  > H > I just tried it again and it worked.  Even after clearing the browser  > cache.  That's from Belgium. > I > I also tried with Lynx from the Deathrow Cluster and that worked too.  0 > That's from Florida. >  > D >>Is it vanishing or can HP just not run web servers reliably. Other4 >>info on the HP site I tried to access worked fine. >  > I > I'm sure I'm not the only person to have Googled for it, and my search mK > brought up the Private Eye page as well.  If they're trying to censor it t > they're doing a pathetic job.o > E > As it is, I wanted to answer one of the slightly later questions...o > > > Q40. Will the current 9000 series rack cabinet change color?< > A40. No, not unless you order paint and spray it yourself. >   F When ordering our first IBM (a 4331) many moons ago, it was the first E time they had offered a choice of colours, so we decided to pick the iH yellow one. Our sales rep assured us that in real life it was a ghastly C bright canary yellow, and persuaded us to go for the standard blue.r  J The pink Systime boxes had about the worst colour I ever saw on systems...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.136 ************************