1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 137       Contents:/ Re: Alternatives to media distribution service? / Re: Alternatives to media distribution service? - Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI - Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI " Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries" Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries DecWindows Redraw  Re: DecWindows Redraw  Re: DecWindows Redraw  Re: DecWindows Redraw # Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle  Free 4GB disks Re: Free 4GB disks Re: Free 4GB disks! HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO ( I think my copy of VMS must be defective- Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video . Re: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses0 Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested4 Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested4 Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested4 Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested4 Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions Re: VMS startup problem?4 Re: VMS V8.2 Source Listings (Shipping Confirmation)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 12:03:55 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com 8 Subject: Re: Alternatives to media distribution service?C Message-ID: <1110398635.687974.259940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > > @ > > I see that we are paying $217/month for Media and Doc. Dist. Service. > > / > > Yet, I only upgrade the OS every few years.  > > ? > > I wonder if you can just order an update when you want one.  > > ; > > I did see that a 7.32 security update patch that is not ; > > listed on the patch download site came with 8.2.  So it 9 > > might be that some patches are only available via the  > > distribution.  > ) > Well, since no one else has piped up...  > 6 > MDS is more than just media, IIRC. MDS also provides "right-to-upgrade", F > if I'm not too badly mistaken. "Buying" an upgrade later on may cost > more than MDS. >   < I thought "Software Node Service" provides right to upgrade.  ; You don't need to buy a set of CDs for each node that needs : right to upgrade after all.  But MDS get you a set of CDs.  	 > FWIW...  >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 12:16:39 -0800 / From: "Martin Walker" <martin.walker@csf.co.uk> 8 Subject: Re: Alternatives to media distribution service?C Message-ID: <1110399399.216027.320110@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   , NO, MDS only gives you media - nothing more!  B To upgrade you must have either a license subscription contract in> place for each product or purchase a right to upgrade license.  B One exception is to go to a "hyphen" release - e.g. 7.3 to 7.3-2 -5 generally these do not require an additional license.   D If you need assistance, ask HP or your knowledgeable local reseller!     David J Dachtera wrote:  > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > > @ > > I see that we are paying $217/month for Media and Doc. Dist. Service. > > / > > Yet, I only upgrade the OS every few years.  > > ? > > I wonder if you can just order an update when you want one.  > > ; > > I did see that a 7.32 security update patch that is not ; > > listed on the patch download site came with 8.2.  So it 9 > > might be that some patches are only available via the  > > distribution.  > ) > Well, since no one else has piped up...  > 6 > MDS is more than just media, IIRC. MDS also provides "right-to-upgrade", F > if I'm not too badly mistaken. "Buying" an upgrade later on may cost > more than MDS. > 	 > FWIW...  >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 12:48:46 -0800 ) From: "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> 6 Subject: Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUIC Message-ID: <1110401326.135739.302570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   
 PEN wrote:	 > Hi Guy,  > 6 > "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> wrote in message> > news:1110339256.224719.72430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...G > >I have a DS10 running VMS 7.3 and Pathworks 6.0D.  Recently moved it D > > from a W2000 environment to one predominantly XP.  The Pathworks has F > > been using NetBEUI since the previous hardware (AlphaServer 1000), but G > > the XP machines really behave badly with NetBEUI installed.  So I'd F > > like to lose it completely and just use TCP/IP (I use TCPWare) for > > Pathworks. > > G > > I have tried changing the transport using ADMIN/CONF and also using G > > PWRK$CONFIGURE, but having done so have been unable to connect from  any G > > of the PC's.  Can anyone suggest the missing step that will make it 	 > > work?  > >  > > TIA. > : > Just for future reference, PWRK$CONFIG.COM simply runs $ ADMIN/CONFIG, so no  > need to do both. > ; > As for the TCP/IP connectivity issue, first make sure the  pwrk$knbdaemon0 > process still exists after starting PATHWORKS:  D I had assumed that was the case, but thought it as well to cover the bases, just in case    > ) >     $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands  >     $ pwshow > D >   If not, PATHWORKS TCP/IP support requires the TCP/IP software to provide E > what's referred to as a "PWIP" interface or driver.  That typically  has toG > be enabled, but I'm not sure how to do so with TCPWare (check the web  siteD > or docs).   I think even with TCPWare, if PWIP is enabled a PWIP0: device
 > will exist:   ( $ @tcpware:cnfnet pwip turns this one on   >  >     $ show dev pw  > G >   If PWIP0: exists, check pwrk$logs:pwrk$knbdaemon_<nodename>.log for   	 > errors.   @ PWIP0: does exist.  When I restart Pathworks I see the KNBDAEMON@ process being started, but $pwshow doesn't show it.  So an errorG somewhere - the knbdaemon_delta.log contains only two lines, the second  one is:   / <date/time> get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0   > $pwshow gives me NETBIOS, LICENSE_R and _S, MASTER and MONITOR  G I can't see any other obvious errors in any of the other log files, and F nothing appears on the console when I restart the server. Where should I look do you think?   Guy.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:18:49 -0500$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>6 Subject: Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI, Message-ID: <d0nsoe$s7f$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,   5 "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> wrote in message  = news:1110401326.135739.302570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >  [snip]   > B > PWIP0: does exist.  When I restart Pathworks I see the KNBDAEMONB > process being started, but $pwshow doesn't show it.  So an errorI > somewhere - the knbdaemon_delta.log contains only two lines, the second 	 > one is:  > 1 > <date/time> get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0  > @ > $pwshow gives me NETBIOS, LICENSE_R and _S, MASTER and MONITOR > I > I can't see any other obvious errors in any of the other log files, and H > nothing appears on the console when I restart the server. Where should > I look do you think? >  > Guy. >   M That error means PATHWORKS asked the local system for it's IP address and it   didn't like the response :o).   I Make sure delta is defined in the local host table or resolvable via the   bind resolver.     Paul     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:24:06 GMT 0 From: spud_demon@e.thundermaker.net (Spud Demon)+ Subject: Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries / Message-ID: <qALXd.41$R24.2756@news.uswest.net>    cbell@qch.on.ca (Johnny Hosp) writes in article <e2db8f9b.0503090719.55114d82@posting.google.com> dated 9 Mar 2005 07:19:36 -0800:A >We are running VMS 7.2 on an alpha box and back it up nightly by F >submitting a batch job that performs the back-up and resubmits itself@ >for the following night. We have recently been having recurring= >failures where the batch job performing the back-up hangs as B >"executing". I don't see any cause of this in the log files etc..F >However I do notice that on the nights the back-up batch hangs, thereF >seems to be another batch job hung as well in a different queue. I am@ >making a guess that this other job being hung is preventing ourC >back-up batch job from executing properly. Is there an environment C >setting that controls the maximum number fo concurrent batch/queue F >entries? And if so, if this is set to 1 or 2 would it  be causing our >back-up batch from executing?  N You should try to figure out which command your job is hanging on.  "SET VER"  is your friend in this.   J But the answer to your question is in the queue settings.  SHOW QUEUE/FULL should show a JOB_LIMIT.    . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net% Google doesn't get posts from my ISP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:52:20 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries / Message-ID: <BE54DA44.8D23%roktsci@comcast.net>    On 3/9/05 9:00 AM, in article = 1110387600.646214.38050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Barry"  <dysert@gmail.com> wrote:   G > I can't test it right now, but I think there's a UAF parameter called G > MAXJOBS that may do what you want.  I *think* if you set it to 1 then E > when one job is running any other jobs are queued up and only start F > when the first one finishes.  Again, I can't test it right now, so I? > may be all wet.  Something that would be easy to try, though.  > L The SYSGEN parameter MAXJOBS is not referring to "Batch Jobs", so don't mess with that for your problem.   J Each batch queue has a setting called JOB_LIMIT which limits the number ofD concurrent jobs that may be executing in that queue. Use the Command(  $INITIALIZE/QUE/JOB_LIMIT=n <queuename>' When the queue is in the STOPPED State.   L If you have a log file for the executing job, wait one minute for the systemH to flush the log output to the file and you can type the log file to seeC where your job is hanging provided that VERIFY is on in the command 
 procedure.  L If it is in an executable, what state is the process in? HIB? LEF? If LEF itJ usually means that it is waiting for I/O to complete. If this is the case,D you can usually find out what it is waiting on using the system dump	 analyzer.   + If you need more details here, let me know.    Jeff   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 14:25:48 -0800 # From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com>  Subject: DecWindows RedrawC Message-ID: <1110407148.856497.147150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hi,   C I am currently trying to get an application that uses "rubber band" G boxes (for zooming in on parts of the main window) to work properly.  I D am now installing this application (binary) onto DS20E machines withG Radeon 7500 cards running OpenVMS 7.3-1 and have found that the "rubber C band boxes" do not redraw when "dragged" across the window if I use E Alpha machine directly (i.e., sitting at the terminal). Instead, lots F of ghost images of the boxes are left peppered across the region whereF it was "dragged". If I access the same system using Exceed X-Server onF a PC it works as expected (no problems).  I've tried just about at allG of the normal DecWindows settings found in private_server_setup.com and G the "Managing DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Systems" manual but no luck.  I am at a loss.   1 Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated. 
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:23:54 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: DecWindows Redraw1 Message-ID: <e5PXd.1399$np3.771@news.cpqcorp.net>   > Is your rubber banding technique done in such a way to work on 24-bit TrueColor?   < In any case, I seem to remember some bug along the lines youC are talking about (but would need to check).  There will be a patch ? kit for V7.3-1 and -2 "real soon now" (I would hope in the next E 2-3 weeks).  You can either wait for it, or file a bug report so that 4 we can make sure the problem gets addressed for you.    . "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote in message= news:1110407148.856497.147150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  > Hi,  > E > I am currently trying to get an application that uses "rubber band" I > boxes (for zooming in on parts of the main window) to work properly.  I F > am now installing this application (binary) onto DS20E machines withI > Radeon 7500 cards running OpenVMS 7.3-1 and have found that the "rubber E > band boxes" do not redraw when "dragged" across the window if I use G > Alpha machine directly (i.e., sitting at the terminal). Instead, lots H > of ghost images of the boxes are left peppered across the region whereH > it was "dragged". If I access the same system using Exceed X-Server onH > a PC it works as expected (no problems).  I've tried just about at allI > of the normal DecWindows settings found in private_server_setup.com and I > the "Managing DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Systems" manual but no luck.  > I am at a loss.  > 3 > Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated.  > Thank you. >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 19:35:20 -0800 # From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DecWindows RedrawC Message-ID: <1110425720.594814.223780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B Thanks for the quick reply.  I'm running the system in pseudocolorB since the application in question doesn't seem to recognize 24-bit@ TrueColor.  I'm glad to hear that a patch is in the near future.  @ Another piece of information to consider that I fogot to mentionF before.  When I first connected with Exceed it did the same "ghosting"B thing.  I tweaked the settings until it started working correctly.E Unfortunately, when I went backwards with the tweaks to try to narrow D down the exact setting I could never get it to happen again--meaningG that I don't really know what I did.  That series of events is what led E me to start changing settings on the DecWindows side--but without the D same result.  I'll try this again tomorrow to see if I can force theF problem on Exceed.  It's also interesting that the xdpyinfo output forG each (i.e., DecWindows and Exceed) show a number of different settings.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 19:35:36 -0800 # From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DecWindows RedrawC Message-ID: <1110425736.025901.216900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   B Thanks for the quick reply.  I'm running the system in pseudocolorB since the application in question doesn't seem to recognize 24-bit@ TrueColor.  I'm glad to hear that a patch is in the near future.  @ Another piece of information to consider that I fogot to mentionF before.  When I first connected with Exceed it did the same "ghosting"B thing.  I tweaked the settings until it started working correctly.E Unfortunately, when I went backwards with the tweaks to try to narrow D down the exact setting I could never get it to happen again--meaningG that I don't really know what I did.  That series of events is what led E me to start changing settings on the DecWindows side--but without the D same result.  I'll try this again tomorrow to see if I can force theF problem on Exceed.  It's also interesting that the xdpyinfo output forG each (i.e., DecWindows and Exceed) show a number of different settings.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 12:59:36 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow), Subject: Re: Fiorina and The Peter Principle3 Message-ID: <Owo+pZHu14Lm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <rIqm$M8e5sTm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: t > In article <1109886372.720173ee472aab2c28644f263c290433@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Charlie Hammond wrote: / >>> Hillary vs Carly -- who would you vote for?  >>  I >> What is interesting about this possibility (either as president or VP) I >> is that by pitting two females against each other, you force the issue J >> of sexual discrimination out. The most bigotted will still have to vote0 >> for their prefered party and accept a female. > C >    There are more than two parties, and no one is forced to vote. F >    In fact a lot of people don't vote somply because their choice is  >    always "none of the above".  K I would rather vote for none of the above than for the evil of two lessers.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  K I'm not afraid of terrorists.  I am terrorized by airport security. _george    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:26:30 -0500% From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>  Subject: Free 4GB disks 0 Message-ID: <112v803dps1g353@news.supernews.com>  $ This is not a ploy to get customers.E We have hundreds (2-300) of 4gb 7200 rpm sca disks (sca is the 80 pin 
 connector)  < We want to give them away or otherwise we have to chuck 'em.- If you want any, email only to david@hpaq.net   H There is no limit to the quantity - first come first serve. They must be gone by March end 05F You need to pay shipping though; we only ship Fedex (ground or air) so" you'll need to either arrange pick/ up or call/email us with a fedex account number   H Don't worry about scams - i think we are known well enough for you to be; confident that we'll keep all that information confidential        --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:22:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Free 4GB disks B Message-ID: <1110417724.f6cd55de6f15ee69ed95e8cdba821ef4@teranews>   DAVID TURNER wrote:  > & > This is not a ploy to get customers.G > We have hundreds (2-300) of 4gb 7200 rpm sca disks (sca is the 80 pin  > connector)  6 Are there adaptors to 50 pin ribbon cable connectors ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:19:30 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Free 4GB disks 0 Message-ID: <112vi418kqnag07@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > DAVID TURNER wrote:  > & >>This is not a ploy to get customers.G >>We have hundreds (2-300) of 4gb 7200 rpm sca disks (sca is the 80 pin  >>connector) >  > 8 > Are there adaptors to 50 pin ribbon cable connectors ?  H Yes.  Can be had for under $20 I believe.  I've got 3, but haven't used , them lately.  They seem to work well.  YMMV.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:20:27 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: HP on fast track to finding a CEOB Message-ID: <1110417610.15cdca0eb3ae2e5472704358fed95dad@teranews>  M > http://businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2005/tc2005038_3736_tc024.htm   E Rumours abound that the choice will be announced by the end of March.   G One name mentioned is that of Richard E. Belluzzo -- a longtime HP exec + who now runs  data-storage company Quantum.   H He spent 23 years at HP already. He had risen to the head of printer andB compuyter businesses. He is a protg of one of the board members.   ##E But some view with skepticism Belluzzo's post-HP track record,  which E includes an unsuccessful turnaround effort at Silicon Graphics (SGI ) G and a rocky stint as the No. 3 exec at Microsoft (MSFT ). And as CEO of F Quantum since 2002, Belluzzo has seen   the company's stock price inch up 3% during his tenure. ##    F So, they'd be hiring a printer guy who worked for Microsoft and wasn't  too succesful at his other jobs.   Not too promising for VMS.  ? Why can't they find someone of calibre of Gerstner's calibre  ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:25:30 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO= Message-ID: <yYGdnYpGwLCXP7LfRVn-jg@metrocastcablevision.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    ...   A > Why can't they find someone of calibre of Gerstner's calibre  ?   E Because HP is a very pale imitation of IBM - even of the failing IBM  % that existed when Gerstner took over.   G That IBM, while greatly troubled by failed execution, retained most of  F its potential.  Most of HP's historical potential has been squandered.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 21:27:47 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO3 Message-ID: <lvh9CiotzcT5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1110417610.15cdca0eb3ae2e5472704358fed95dad@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   > Not too promising for VMS.  < 	Come on purse your lips... give us a "death of VMS."   JustG 	for old times sake.   The good old days of "VMS death", ah... I harken  	back:  M =============================================================================   5 From: mezei...@eisner.decus.org (Jean-Francois Mezei)  Date: 1996/02/044 customers who were already fearing the death of VMS.  M =============================================================================   - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@videotron.ca> % Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:17:04 -0400   K  current VMS customers would know that VMS's death was impending and switch  vendors   M =============================================================================   - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@videotron.ca> % Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 05:01:22 -0400   M VMS's death has been predicted by many, including Palmer et all, and Gartner,  for a long long time.     3 [ Can't resist - isn't this Generallisimo Francisco 2 Franco all over again?  I mean talk about deja vu:  I The death of Spanish dictator Francisco Franco during the first season of J Saturday Night Live in 1975 served as the source of one of the first catch. phrases from SNL to enter the general lexicon.  L Franco lingered near death for weeks before dying. On slow news days, UnitedL States network television news casters sometimes noted that Franco was stillL alive, or not yet dead. The imminent death of Franco was a headline story onE the NBC news for a number of weeks prior to his death on November 20.   5 	VMS - The Generallisimo Francisco Franco of OSes!  ]     M =============================================================================   - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@videotron.ca> % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:40:07 -0500   N Since it is pretty well a known fact that Compaq or HP will eventually annouce the death of VMS,   M =============================================================================   0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vl.videotron.ca> Date: 2000/03/12  K to newsgroups and continue to complain that Compaq is not doing anything to " help VMS escape its death warrant.  M =============================================================================   1 From: jf mezei <"[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca>  Date: 1997/08/20  D (even if DEC doesn't make much money on them) would go a long way to) kill the rumour of VMS's impending death.   M =============================================================================   > 	[Need I say: etc. etc.?  There is a virtual treasure trove ofA 	"JF death on VMS" favs - come on kids, join the fun!  Or act now ? 	and send $9.95 and I'll rush you my top 20 , "JF death on VMS"  	You'll laugh, you'll cry... ]  < 	I actually prefer the "impendendings" and the creativity of< 	"death warrant."  Each with their own flavor of weightiness? 	(as if death itself isn't a weighty subject.)  But with "death > 	warrant" you almost visualize that leftist favorite "Dead Man@ 	Walking" and the touching acting by Penn/Sarandon, et al.  Talk 	about weight!   				Rob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:50:08 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO, Message-ID: <T6ednV7sadtrXrLfRVn-2w@igs.net>   Rob Young wrote:G > In article <1110417610.15cdca0eb3ae2e5472704358fed95dad@teranews>, JF . > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  >> Not too promising for VMS.  > = > Come on purse your lips... give us a "death of VMS."   Just H > for old times sake.   The good old days of "VMS death", ah... I harken > back:  >  >  <major snip>      % Been drinking the Kool-Aid again Rob?      --F OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 22:48:39 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO3 Message-ID: <vX9RH+tS8jav@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <T6ednV7sadtrXrLfRVn-2w@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   > ' > Been drinking the Kool-Aid again Rob?  >     	Nope.  How goes it Johnny Anon?   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:03:07 -0500  From: Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> 1 Subject: I think my copy of VMS must be defective 5 Message-ID: <vge2eoq5sr2m$.dlg@oc12-nlogax.pepsi.com>   I Every computer it install it on comes alive and tries to suck my cock and  rape my asshole. What can I do?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:16:38 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message2 Message-ID: <aBKXd.1381$hb3.1271@news.cpqcorp.net>  G You are running on an anique, but it is trying to tell you something... % all you need to do is cut & paste it.   = The SPX had hardware clipping that was done by loading a clip B list (a list of rectangles) into the HW (offscreen memory).  Since? offscreen memory is used for many things, it wasn't set to some < unreasonably high value - now you need to.  And it even gave you a number to start at.   B Web browsers are notorious for having lots and lots of clipping in< their window layout, or doing yummy things like drawing hugeB rectangles through a tiny clipping rectangle to fill an area.  The2 coders apparently weren't actually graphics savvy.    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1110390803.dc1942b77670e977506515c87573d248@teranews...F > Had a strange thing happen today. I was running MOSAIC 3.8 on my vaxG > workstation (VMS 7.2), and I could hear the disk tick every couple of J > seconds, even though there was no activity on my part. The system showed: > DECW$SERVER_0 consuming bertween 30 and 50% of CPU time. >  > D > Turns out that its log DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG was filling up with > messages every second:; > 9-MAR-2005 11:14:56.4 clipList did not get into Offscreen 8 >  9-MAR-2005 11:14:56.5 scn_ClipFromRegion:  Define/Sys > DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA to  >  be larger than 6528< >  9-MAR-2005 11:14:57.6 clipList did not get into Offscreen8 >  9-MAR-2005 11:14:57.6 scn_ClipFromRegion:  Define/Sys > DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA to  >  be larger than 6528 >  > I > When I exited MOSAIC, this stopped. It had never happened to me before.  > D > Does anyone know what this means ?  Does defining the logical take; > effect immediatly, or only upon the server's restarting ?    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 13:38:20 -0800 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoB Message-ID: <1110404300.274954.92240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: " > re: marketing person who left HP > G > Shannon may have been referring to the young marketing guru that left  HPC > recently to go back to Apple. She was not "VMS" employee, she was ? > corporate marketing where there is real money spent. I posted 	 something 5 > when this happened, not long after Carly was fired.   C I doubt it as Shannon said the sacking saved maybe $150K. I am sure E Senior Vice President Marketing (Allison Johnson whom I think you are ) referring to) earns a lot more than that.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:18:38 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video0 Message-ID: <2DKXd.1383$Ob3.40@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message < news:1110404300.274954.92240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >  > JF Mezei wrote: $ > > re: marketing person who left HP > > I > > Shannon may have been referring to the young marketing guru that left  > HPE > > recently to go back to Apple. She was not "VMS" employee, she was A > > corporate marketing where there is real money spent. I posted  > something 7 > > when this happened, not long after Carly was fired.  > E > I doubt it as Shannon said the sacking saved maybe $150K. I am sure G > Senior Vice President Marketing (Allison Johnson whom I think you are + > referring to) earns a lot more than that.  >   I And yet it's too much money for us peons.  So it's someone in the middle, ! and I'll be darned if I know who.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 20:14:17 -0800 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com ( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoC Message-ID: <1110428057.228403.262920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   = In the words of Mark Twain the rumors of my death are greatly  exaggerated.   Thanks for caring   F Still in VMS and I still have the best job in the world because I work% with the best customers in the world.    Sue    Alan Greig wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:  > > B > > > Any VMS admin understanding the world we are living in, does? > > > probably have a PC on their desk. So what's the problem ? A > > > Don't we all want the message about VMS to be wide spread ?  > > D > > Then why not use more open standards such as MPG ?  Don't wintel > boxes @ > > have the ability to play MPG movies, or just the proprietary > microsoft 
 > > formats ?  > A > Especially as wmv (9) is standard mpeg-4 but within a Microsoft ? > proprietary file format. It could have been an mpeg 4 AVI (or  straightE > mpeg-2) and Windows Media Player could still have played it without & > making it awkward for everyone else. > G > I'm assuming this is the same Integrity Video I just downloaded a few F > weeks ago or have HP moved into producing weekly episodes. Is it theE > one with Mark Gorham and a tie that looks like it should be wrapped  > around Christmas presents? > -- > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:15:33 -0500% From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> 7 Subject: Re: Selling Alphaserver DS10 with VMS Licenses 0 Message-ID: <112v7bjp571s25a@news.supernews.com>  # It's called a sub-license agreement $ These are brand new licenses from HP4 All we have to do is tell them who we sold them to !   David    --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com     / "Jiri Kulhan" <jiri@kulhan.cz> wrote in message & news:398cpjF5vgtcoU1@individual.net...? > There were times when then VMS license were not allowed to be F > transferred / sold to another subject than the original owner, is it > different now? >  > Jiri > / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  >  > > Hello there VMS users! > > > > > Seems the supply of these systems is now somewhat limited.I > > We have over 30 of these systems, half of them with BRAND new VMS and  EIp  > > Licenses > >  > > Pricing is below:  > >  > > Refurbished (not used) > >   > > Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz EV67 > > 1GB Compaq Memory ! > > KZPEA-DB U160 SCSI Controller  > > Dual 72GB 10KRPM Disk U160! > > Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board ! > > Radeon 7500 64MB PCI Graphicse > > Keyboard and 3 Button Mouser > > USA/EU/Aust. Power Corde? > > New OpenVMS Base and EIP (TCPIP DECNET Motif etc.) licenses  > >U  > > Total Per System: $6500 each > >o > >BB > > Warranty: 12 months (extendable to 36 months for extra charge)@ > > We accept Purchase Orders, Visa and Mastercard, and Cheques. > >d > > Shipping: Domestic USA $60 > >                Canada: $100  > >                EU West $150s  > >                EU East: $180$ > >                Australasia: $190 > >a > > 9 > > Call us on Toll Free 877-636 4332 or USA 912 447 6622  > >  > > Thanks all > >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:01:01 GMTs' From: Natch <blah_dont_use@hotmail.com>L9 Subject: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested 8 Message-ID: <d8su21119a1c7iacul38v84pev936tp663@4ax.com>    Hope this isn't considered rude:  E We're tossing out a DEC MicroVAX II with VMS 5.1 on it.  We're hopingeD to get a few bucks off of Ebay but if that fails we'll probably hand' it to anyone willing to haul it away.  n  / Considerable amount of pictures in the auction.l  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5173614531t   -g natcho   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:48:20 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>M= Subject: Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interestediB Message-ID: <1110408492.910f5b8be99ebbbf89134c8219d0801a@teranews>   Natch wrote: > " > Hope this isn't considered rude: > G > We're tossing out a DEC MicroVAX II with VMS 5.1 on it.  We're hopingcF > to get a few bucks off of Ebay but if that fails we'll probably hand' > it to anyone willing to haul it away.@  D If you weren't so far, i might offer to take it from you. You should, specify if the beast has an ethernet or not.  G You should note that shipping will cost considerably more than the bid.d (assuming you get $51 for it).   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 23:31:28 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.como= Subject: Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interestedh* Message-ID: <d0o10g0ag@enews4.newsguy.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > Natch wrote: > > $ > > Hope this isn't considered rude: > > I > > We're tossing out a DEC MicroVAX II with VMS 5.1 on it.  We're hopinglH > > to get a few bucks off of Ebay but if that fails we'll probably hand) > > it to anyone willing to haul it away.e  F > If you weren't so far, i might offer to take it from you. You should. > specify if the beast has an ethernet or not.  K Well, that 10BaseT transciever he mentions has to be attached to something, ! plus there is that DECserver 200.p  I > You should note that shipping will cost considerably more than the bid.   > (assuming you get $51 for it).  K Which is why I don't think I'll go for it :^(  Any idea what a fully loadedeI BA123 costs to ship?  I don't think UPS is even an option due to the size 3 and weight (not that they're *ever* a good choice).    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:03:48 -0500A- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s= Subject: Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested B Message-ID: <1110416609.dfe78d2aa88d08ac60fe8545b873a46f@teranews>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:M > Which is why I don't think I'll go for it :^(  Any idea what a fully loadedeK > BA123 costs to ship?  I don't think UPS is even an option due to the sizee5 > and weight (not that they're *ever* a good choice).   D UPS and even FedEx will handle such cargo.But it isn't through their0 standard "letter and small packages" offerings.   E If the sender is cooperative, you might even consider Greyhound. He'dD2 probably want to bring the stuff to the bus depot.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:09:12 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>a= Subject: Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interestedc0 Message-ID: <112vhgp1mc33e7f@corp.supernews.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:0 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >  >>Natch wrote: >># >>>Hope this isn't considered rude:j >>>eH >>>We're tossing out a DEC MicroVAX II with VMS 5.1 on it.  We're hopingG >>>to get a few bucks off of Ebay but if that fails we'll probably hand ( >>>it to anyone willing to haul it away. >  > F >>If you weren't so far, i might offer to take it from you. You should. >>specify if the beast has an ethernet or not. >  > M > Well, that 10BaseT transciever he mentions has to be attached to something, # > plus there is that DECserver 200.g >  > I >>You should note that shipping will cost considerably more than the bid.r  >>(assuming you get $51 for it). >  > M > Which is why I don't think I'll go for it :^(  Any idea what a fully loadednK > BA123 costs to ship?  I don't think UPS is even an option due to the size 5 > and weight (not that they're *ever* a good choice).  >  > 		Zane >   I UPS is certainly an option.  It might be over 70 lbs, and if so the rate 1F will be rather high.  Insure it for $5000 and it will probably arrive D the next day.  UPS doesn't want to have valuable shipments in their A hands any longer than necessary.  Such are many times handled by  @ supervisors, and they expedite the shipping.  I once shipped an I AlphaServer 1000 in this manner, ground, insured for $35k I believe, and  E it went from PA to CA overnight.  I asked the pick-up driver, and he )B related several things about 'special handling'.  Things may have  changed since that time.   Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2005 11:27:02 -0800o From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionsaC Message-ID: <1110396422.389788.269410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>P   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote: E > Also forgot to mention; APC (and possibly other vendors) make powercG > line conditioning equipment that is less expensive than a UPS.  GivensD > your desires that might be a better fit.  The APC units are calledC > "Line-R" and come in 300, 600, and 1200VA units.  A couple of oursF > customers use them and they appear to work well but I have no direct
 > experience.t  A I am going too look into that too.  I sent a message to APC sales & support after studying their web site.  > My hardware guy thinks a UPS may be better for us than a surge> protector.  Sometimes we lose a phase of power, and we are notA yet sure what is needed to keep that from damaging our equipment.a  ? When we lose a phase, the lights start blinking like in a disco 3 and I "do the hustle" to turn my Alphas off ASAP :)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:06:50 -0500r' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>r- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions 0 Message-ID: <112uvpq7eh8h78b@corp.supernews.com>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:: > E >>Also forgot to mention; APC (and possibly other vendors) make powerTG >>line conditioning equipment that is less expensive than a UPS.  GivenrD >>your desires that might be a better fit.  The APC units are calledC >>"Line-R" and come in 300, 600, and 1200VA units.  A couple of our-F >>customers use them and they appear to work well but I have no direct
 >>experience.o >  > C > I am going too look into that too.  I sent a message to APC saleso( > support after studying their web site. > @ > My hardware guy thinks a UPS may be better for us than a surge@ > protector.  Sometimes we lose a phase of power, and we are notC > yet sure what is needed to keep that from damaging our equipment.r > A > When we lose a phase, the lights start blinking like in a discoh5 > and I "do the hustle" to turn my Alphas off ASAP :)t >   F I'd agree with your hardware guy.  Sometimes there can be a momentary H power interuption, a couple seconds, or such.  It's nice for the system E to stay up.  Takes more than a few seconds for a system to start up.  D It's also nice when running jobs aren't terminated.  The cost isn't  significant.  The pain can be.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:00:40 -0500d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionstB Message-ID: <1110409229.d3fa84253f01fbee58e71286e53d4a65@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:G > I'd agree with your hardware guy.  Sometimes there can be a momentary.I > power interuption, a couple seconds, or such.  It's nice for the system F > to stay up.  Takes more than a few seconds for a system to start up.E > It's also nice when running jobs aren't terminated.  The cost isn't   > significant.  The pain can be.  H Power surges (when power goes out and then comes back on a second later)5 are also what kills computers and terminals/displays.f  D Hydro Qubec got enough complains from its customers about destroyedG computer equipment that it sent a brochure to all homeowners suggesting 6 they use of a UPS to protect their computer equipment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:50:51 -0500s  From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions + Message-ID: <422FB60B.903D50F7@hotmail.com>o     Since you goal is:< > ... to preserve my hardware via power conditioning, not to > avoid power interruption6 then many of your recommendations (including from your< hardware guy) are invalid.  Plug-in UPSes are for protection: from power loss (which, BTW, is not a surge as another has< posted).  The protection they claim forgets to mention it is8 not effective from the typically destructive transient. ; Plug-in manufacturers tell half truths hoping you will makem; assumptions that others here have already made - apparentlys> including your hardware guy.  Its common for computer hardware- techs to not have basic electrical knowledge.<  :   This topic has already been posted previously in the two9 consecutive posts (and others in this same thread) in then; newsgroup   alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus  entitled "Life0 expectancy"  on 14 Jan 2005 at(   http://makeashorterlink.com/?K180224AA  =   However what you describe is a blackout or extreme brownoutA< condition (not a transient) which is what a UPS does protect from.    tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:oF >> Also forgot to mention; APC (and possibly other vendors) make powerH >> line conditioning equipment that is less expensive than a UPS.  GivenE >> your desires that might be a better fit.  The APC units are calledsD >> "Line-R" and come in 300, 600, and 1200VA units.  A couple of ourG >> customers use them and they appear to work well but I have no directm >> experience. > C > I am going too look into that too.  I sent a message to APC sales ( > support after studying their web site. > @ > My hardware guy thinks a UPS may be better for us than a surge@ > protector.  Sometimes we lose a phase of power, and we are notC > yet sure what is needed to keep that from damaging our equipment.n > A > When we lose a phase, the lights start blinking like in a discos5 > and I "do the hustle" to turn my Alphas off ASAP :)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:45:21 -0700i' From: John Willis <willisjo@zianet.com>s! Subject: Re: VMS startup problem? / Message-ID: <BE551EF0.14AE%willisjo@zianet.com>-  E It works now. SET STARTUP_P2 "TRUE" revealed it was hanging on a cally to SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL.  > Here's what I did (after getting it up with SET/STARTUP _OPA0:   >>> b/1g   2...1...0...   SYSBOOT> SET NOAUTOCONFIG 1  SYSBOOT> CONTINUEo    G And once the system was up I reverted SYCONFIG.COM and SYSTARTUP_V5.COM)E to the TEMPLATE versions. Turns out the RD54 was originally used in ao- VAXstation 2000. So I also did the following:    $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGENd SYSGEN> SET NOAUTOCONFIG 1 SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P2 ""g SYSGEN> SET VAXCLUSTER 0 SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENTi SYSGEN> EXIT   $ @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP    And the system came up great.f   Thanks for all the help!   John   = in article 422E6E4D.926D16F1@comcast.net, David J Dachtera atn2 djesys.nospam@comcast.net wrote on 3/8/05 8:32 PM:     > G > Honestly, while V5.1 may run (KA630 is a MicroVAX-II, isn't it?), I'd F > expect considerable challenges in the course of "normal" operations.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:00:11 GMTs) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>.= Subject: Re: VMS V8.2 Source Listings (Shipping Confirmation):& Message-ID: <422F8023.1050000@iee.org>   Alan Frisbie wrote::7 > We got our source listings kit in the same box as thee' > V8.2 update.   There were five CD-Rs.g  8 When did it go to CD-R? The ones I used to get (up until4 either V7.1 or V7.2) were real, genuine stamped CDs.  4 I have to admit that I was surprised that there were2 enough people subscribed to make that a worthwhile# option ... I guess someone noticed!    Antonio)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.137 ************************ gets addressed for you.    . "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote in message= news:1110407148.856497.147150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  > Hi,  > E > I am currently trying to get an application that uses "rubber band" I > boxes (for zooming in on parts of the main windo---- LASTCMD &    Version:      V1.01-002, 3-JUN-1995E    Description:  Peek at terminal typeahead buffer (get last command)-4    Author:       Chris Olive <olive@sgi.siemens.com>    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     MACRO-32iP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------	 LAVDRIVERn    Version:      A3    Description:  VMS driver to gather load averages:.    Author:       Ken Adelman <adelman@TGV.COM>    Architecture: VAX    # of parts:   -    Language:     MACRO-32 P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------	 LIBSEARCHa    Version:      8-AUG-1994O?    Description:  SEARCH command for VMS text and help librariesa'    Author:       Kevin Ashley, Ed Groth-    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     FORTRANP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIST%    Version:      V2.4-A1, 19-FEB-1998aE    Description:  Maintain user information associated with a usernameM?    Author:       Jonathan C. Baker <jbaker@relay.nswc.navy.mil>-    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     FORTRANP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------	 LNMLOOKUPE!    Version:      V1.1, 3-FEB-1997 I    Description:  System service to look up logical names (wildcards too!)-A    Author:       Ferry Bolhr-Nordenkampf <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>n    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     MACRO32, CsP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LNMTOOL     Version:      V1.1-7 1    Description:  Motif-based logical name browser-    Author:       Lyle West    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     C,MotifP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOGGER    Version:      21-DEC-1993F    Description:  Log terminal sessions using FT pseudo-terminal driver    Author:       Forrest Kenney:    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOGINt!    Version:      V1.4, 2-JUL-1993A;    Description:  MACRO program to replace most of LOGIN.COMt8    Author:       Hunter Goatley <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     MACRO-32iP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOGINOUT-HOOKS    Version:      7-JUL-1993 ?    Description:  Docs on undocumented LOGINOUT callouts (hooks)     Author:       John Covert    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     PostScript P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOOK!    Version:      V6.0, 5-FEB-1996e<    Description:  Serge Kovalyov's *fast* file viewer for VMS.    Author:       Serge Kovalyov, Patrick Ellis    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP --------------------------------------------------------