1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 138       Contents:= Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? = Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS? 7 Compaq C V6.4-005 - VAX V7.3: hang with /opt = disjoint " Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries" Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entriesP Delaware Valley LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha"P Delaware Valley LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha"* Follow-up to "Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU." Re: Free 4GB disks History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark how to address "insfmem" Re: how to address "insfmem" Re: how to address "insfmem"< Re: How to make BACKUP fail instead of making OPCOM request?% Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video  Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video 4 Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interested  Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCL	 Tape Init 
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 Re: Tape Init   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 09:06:24 +0100. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?+ Message-ID: <TsauCmQP+PW1@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   g In article <1110376269.942599.138500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, mcaccavone@manfinancial.com writes: C > I have just managed to get hold of a complied version of LYNX for H > Openvms Alpha. How do I issue LYNX with Commands so that I can execute > FTP in batch mode?    " Lynx can using the -source option:& $   lynx   -source "ftp://server/file"  5 But for "batch" type things why not use WGET or CURL, , or for ftp:// access, why not FTP directly ?    --  6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 01:35:46 -0800! From: mcaccavone@manfinancial.com F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?B Message-ID: <1110447346.294845.56820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E I have been asked by my networks team to sit behind a MS Proxy server = for external FTP .I have checked everywhere and I can find no D Documentation on how to connect OpenVMS TCPIP to an MS Proxy - whichF looks impossible as OpenVMS does not support the SOCKS protocol. HenceB I have found that LYNX will enable us to connect out via the Proxy server.   C All I want to do is pass LYNX a series of commands such as Username E Password , GET this PUT that etc etc from within a command file. Does  anyone know the syntax?    Mark C.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:18:36 +0100 , From: "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com>F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?8 Message-ID: <d0pa5f$pf3$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>  . <mcaccavone@manfinancial.com> wrote in message< news:1110447346.294845.56820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...G > I have been asked by my networks team to sit behind a MS Proxy server ? > for external FTP .I have checked everywhere and I can find no F > Documentation on how to connect OpenVMS TCPIP to an MS Proxy - whichH > looks impossible as OpenVMS does not support the SOCKS protocol. HenceD > I have found that LYNX will enable us to connect out via the Proxy	 > server.   8 Hm, I use FETCH_HTTP to fetch "things" from HTTP and FTPG URL's. I just tell the tool that there is a proxy server in between and  the addres to the proxy server.   4 No problem at all, and I've no idea what SOCKS is...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 13:57:40 +0100. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?+ Message-ID: <rytksYTWKISv@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   f In article <1110447346.294845.56820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, mcaccavone@manfinancial.com writes:G > I have been asked by my networks team to sit behind a MS Proxy server ? > for external FTP .I have checked everywhere and I can find no F > Documentation on how to connect OpenVMS TCPIP to an MS Proxy - whichH > looks impossible as OpenVMS does not support the SOCKS protocol. HenceD > I have found that LYNX will enable us to connect out via the Proxy	 > server. E > All I want to do is pass LYNX a series of commands such as Username G > Password , GET this PUT that etc etc from within a command file. Does  > anyone know the syntax?   H As I told You, "Lynx -source" does that, but only for a get. This is the/ only command-line operation possible with Lynx.   & What You need is all in CURL, get it: .    http://curl.haxx.se/latest.cgi?curl=vms-zip    --  6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:38:57 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?B Message-ID: <42304df1$0$26556$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: 0 > <mcaccavone@manfinancial.com> wrote in message> > news:1110447346.294845.56820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > G >>I have been asked by my networks team to sit behind a MS Proxy server ? >>for external FTP .I have checked everywhere and I can find no F >>Documentation on how to connect OpenVMS TCPIP to an MS Proxy - whichH >>looks impossible as OpenVMS does not support the SOCKS protocol. HenceD >>I have found that LYNX will enable us to connect out via the Proxy	 >>server.  >  > : > Hm, I use FETCH_HTTP to fetch "things" from HTTP and FTPI > URL's. I just tell the tool that there is a proxy server in between and ! > the addres to the proxy server.  > 6 > No problem at all, and I've no idea what SOCKS is... >  > Jan-Erik.  >  > E I think he may be referring to the SOCKS Internet protocol, which of  F course has been available for OpenVMS through various TCP/IP products  for ages... " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SocksC http://content.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=socks 7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6529/6529pro.html   * http://www.process.com/tcpip/multinet.html, http://www.process.com/tcpip/multinetds.html  ) http://www.process.com/tcpip/tcpware.html ) http://www.process.com/tcpip/datasht.html   > I would suggest that CURL may be an appropriate alternative...F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/curl/freeware_readme.txt http://curl.haxx.se/! http://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html ! http://curl.haxx.se/download.html    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:48:44 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?2 Message-ID: <05031008484477_27800279@antinode.org>  ! From: mcaccavone@manfinancial.com   G > I have been asked by my networks team to sit behind a MS Proxy server ? > for external FTP .I have checked everywhere and I can find no F > Documentation on how to connect OpenVMS TCPIP to an MS Proxy - whichH > looks impossible as OpenVMS does not support the SOCKS protocol. HenceD > I have found that LYNX will enable us to connect out via the Proxy	 > server.   E > All I want to do is pass LYNX a series of commands such as Username G > Password , GET this PUT that etc etc from within a command file. Does  > anyone know the syntax?   6    I've never tried it, but Wget is supposed to offer:  5   -Y,  --proxy=on/off           turn proxy on or off. 8        --proxy-user=USER     set USER as proxy username.8        --proxy-passwd=PASS   set PASS as proxy password.  G    As usual, it often helps to explain the problem to be solved, rather ; than to request help in implementing a particular solution.   *       http://antinode.org/dec/sw/wget.html  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:20:13 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>F Subject: Re: Can LYNX run in batch mode for FTP operations on OPENVMS?D Message-ID: <craigberry-2529A4.12201310032005@news.isp.giganews.com>  B In article <1110447346.294845.56820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,#  mcaccavone@manfinancial.com wrote:   G > I have been asked by my networks team to sit behind a MS Proxy server ? > for external FTP .I have checked everywhere and I can find no F > Documentation on how to connect OpenVMS TCPIP to an MS Proxy - whichH > looks impossible as OpenVMS does not support the SOCKS protocol. HenceD > I have found that LYNX will enable us to connect out via the Proxy	 > server.   G Some proxies will accept the following syntax, where you give the host  F name or address of the proxy as the node name in standard VMS network H syntax and the host name or address of the target host after the "@" as < part of the username the proxy will send to the remote host:  5 $ copy/ftp file.dat proxyhost"user@targethost pass"::    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:12:14 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)@ Subject: Compaq C V6.4-005 - VAX V7.3: hang with /opt = disjoint2 Message-ID: <05031012121481_27800279@antinode.org>  G    Trying to compile a recent version (2.01a24) of the cdrtools package G (cdrecord, mkisofs, et c.) on VAX, I ran into a piece which hangs the C 	 compiler:    WUSS $ cc /ver% Compaq C V6.4-005 on OpenVMS VAX V7.3   7 WUSS $ pipe t ; cc /opt=nodisj SHA_FUNC.C /inc = [] ; t    10-MAR-2005 10:49:25   10-MAR-2005 10:49:50  0 WUSS $ pipe t ; cc /opt SHA_FUNC.C /inc = [] ; t   10-MAR-2005 10:50:01K WUSS::_RTA2: 12:11:50 DECC$COMP CPU=01:35:23.10 PF=227526 IO=11966 MEM=6833   Cancel   . %VCG-F-UABORT, Compilation terminated by user.  ( %VCG-I-NOBJECT, No object file produced.     10-MAR-2005 12:12:01  G    It's only a VAXsta 3100 model 38, but that seems to me like too long  to have to wait.  F    If anyone cares, I can supply a test case (138 blocks or less).  IfA anyone has (or can point me to) a compiler (or code generator, or 4 whatever) patch, I could be interested in that, too.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:10:41 +0100 , From: "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com>+ Subject: Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries 8 Message-ID: <d0p9mk$pa4$2@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>  * "Jeff Cameron" <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote   > Use the Command * >  $INITIALIZE/QUE/JOB_LIMIT=n <queuename>) > When the queue is in the STOPPED State.   < Or SET /QUEUE, that can be used anytime, stopped or running,- even with jobs currently running on the queue   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 07:07:16 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: Concurrent Batch/queue entries 3 Message-ID: <Km9Tz13H53xW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <e2db8f9b.0503090719.55114d82@posting.google.com>, cbell@qch.on.ca (Johnny Hosp) writes:  > Hi, B > We are running VMS 7.2 on an alpha box and back it up nightly byG > submitting a batch job that performs the back-up and resubmits itself A > for the following night. We have recently been having recurring > > failures where the batch job performing the back-up hangs asC > "executing". I don't see any cause of this in the log files etc.. G > However I do notice that on the nights the back-up batch hangs, there G > seems to be another batch job hung as well in a different queue. I am A > making a guess that this other job being hung is preventing our D > back-up batch job from executing properly. Is there an environmentD > setting that controls the maximum number fo concurrent batch/queueG > entries? And if so, if this is set to 1 or 2 would it  be causing our  > back-up batch from executing?   A As others have posted, /JOB_LIMIT=n is the relevant setting on an  individual batch queue.   A One can create a separate batch queue with /JOB_LIMIT=1 and force B serialization that way.  Today's batch job will sit in a "pending"5 state and wait for yesterday's batch job to complete.    There are other approaches.    You can embed a     	$ SET PROCESS /NAME="some name" 	$ IF .NOT. $STATUS  	$ THEN : 	-- handle the case in which the job is already running -- 	$ ENDIF   sequence in the job.  C You can put the resubmit command at the end of the batch job rather C than at the beginning (and work hard on your error handling so that  the resubmit always happens).   A One technique that I'm fond of is to deal with the corner case in G which the system crashes during execution of your batch job, preventing D the resubmit is to submit a copy of the job at system boot time with% /PARAMETER=("''F$GETSYI("BOOTTIME")'"    and embed the sanity check:   - 	$ IF P1 .NES. F$GETSYI("BOOTTIME") THEN EXIT   E at the top of the job.  That keeps you from piling up duplicate batch < jobs.  Any self-resubmitting threads from previous boots are automatically self-destroyed.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 07:03:43 -0800) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: Delaware Valley LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha" C Message-ID: <1110467023.328293.306470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D At the invitation of the Encompass Delaware Valley Local User Group,E OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter will present "OpenVMS B on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha". The meeting will takeE place on Thursday afternoon, March 10, at the HP office in Blue Bell, 
 Pennsylvania.   E Mr. Gezelter will speak on the technical issues involved in migrating C to OpenVMS on HP's Integrity servers. With the advent of OpenVMS on D Integrity, OpenVMS users are undertaking a migration process that isG similar to, yet significantly easier than, the transition that occurred > a dozen years ago with the advent of the Alpha RISC processor.  G The strong similarities between the Alpha and Itanium 64-bit processors D substantially simplify the migration, in contrast to the differencesC between 32-bit VAX and 64-bit Alpha. Transitioning from Alpha-based @ systems to Integrity  servers is straightforward with the proper	 approach.   G Details about the location and scheduling of the meeting, together with ! RSVP information, can be found at A http://www.rlgsc.com/encompass/philadelphia/2005-03/announce.html    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 07:46:03 -0800) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: Delaware Valley LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha" C Message-ID: <1110469563.713833.180810@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   D At the invitation of the Encompass Delaware Valley Local User Group,E OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter will present "OpenVMS B on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha". The meeting will takeE place on Thursday afternoon, March 10, at the HP office in Blue Bell, 
 Pennsylvania.   E Mr. Gezelter will speak on the technical issues involved in migrating C to OpenVMS on HP's Integrity servers. With the advent of OpenVMS on D Integrity, OpenVMS users are undertaking a migration process that isG similar to, yet significantly easier than, the transition that occurred > a dozen years ago with the advent of the Alpha RISC processor.  G The strong similarities between the Alpha and Itanium 64-bit processors D substantially simplify the migration, in contrast to the differencesC between 32-bit VAX and 64-bit Alpha. Transitioning from Alpha-based ? systems to Integrity servers is straightforward with the proper 	 approach.   G Details about the location and scheduling of the meeting, together with ! RSVP information, can be found at A http://www.rlgsc.com/encompass/philadelphia/2005-03/announce.html    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 09:22:05 -08003 From: "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> 3 Subject: Follow-up to "Ouch! a *MAJOR* bug in TPU." B Message-ID: <1110475325.292662.39070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  @ I am following up my own comment in the earlier thread. I said..  B >Actually, just reading back what I have written here, I would sayD >there *is* a problem with EVE here. It really should not say it hasB >worked when it hasn't, even if the reason it failed was thanks toD >the bogosity of the served file. I shall take a look at this. (Sinc= >EVE is open source, I will have a look to see if I can write D >something a bit more bomb-proof. I'll get back to you all if I come' >up with something - watch this space).   C I have had a poke around the EVE source files and come up with what ? I believe is a cure for this anomalous behaviour. It is not the B GET_FILE procedure itself that needed changing, but a subprocedure@ that it calls, named EVE$CREATE_BUFFER. I will attach my amended8 version of this procedure at the bottom of this missive.  B What it now does is: If you are starting an edit on a 'bogus' fileB (i.e. a files with long lines that claims its longest line is zeroA bytes - credit to Hein for the terminology), then if it reaches a @ line that is too long for it to read into the buffer, the editorA quits with a severity of ERROR. This can then be picked up by the B command procedure you are using the editor in, if wished. This way- EVE will never unintentionally corrupt files.   ? Note that if EVE has already started, and you do a GET filename B command, it does _not_ shut down the editor. I felt this was quiteB important, since if you are hours into editing a file, and you try@ to look at a bogus file with a GET command, you certainly do notA want EVE to quit and lose all the editing you have done.  In this C case, it just spits out the warning messages, and presents you with . as much of the file it has managed to read in.  @ I have attached below the changes. If anyone else is hit by thisB problem or is worried that it might happen, you are welcome to use> it. It would be nice to have somewhere to put this. I know Ken@ Farmer runs an excellent repository of DCL command procedures at@ dcl.openvms.org, but I do not know of any good place for keeping+ useful bits of TPU code. Does anybody else?   B The code is below. I am aware that sometimes code entered into theB newsgroup can get chopped and reformatted, so if the attached code> produces problems, it probably got fubared. You can cook it up yourself as follows.  < 1. Extract from SYS$EXAMPLES:EVE$FILE.TPU, the tpu procedureB EVE$CREATE_BUFFER. (i.e. all the lines between the ones that begin= "procedure eve$create_buffer" and "endprocedure", inclusive).   B 2. In between the lines that say "[OTHERWISE]:" and "endon_error;"" add the following 8 lines of tpu.. ----> + 	if error = TPU$_READERR		! JP Mar 2005 +++  	then 3 	  create_failed := TRUE;	! If the read failed, and 2 	  if not default_exists		! we're in startup, then$ 	  then				! quit with error status. 	    quit (off, EVE$K_ERROR); 2 	  endif;                        ! JP Mar 2005 --- 	endif;  ---->   , Then you have your new eve$create_buffer.tpu  & To use it in eve, there are 2 methods:  C 1. The 'proper' way is to use eve$build to build a new eve section. D This is all documented in the comments in SYS$EXAMPLES:EVE$BUILD.TPU if you want to go that route.   C 2. Since this involves no changes to the initialization procedures, D you can do it the 'quick' way. glueing it into your current section.- Just EDIT /NOINIT eve$create_buffer.tpu, then  <DO> EXTEND THIS <DO> SAVE EXTENDED EVEC It asks for the section name. Then you can either use that section, 4 or point TPU$SECTION to it, to use it automatically.     Good luck and happy editing   - John   ! (eve$create_buffer.tpu follows..)       4 procedure eve$create_buffer		! GET_FILE subprocedure/     (buffer_name,		! Name of new buffer - input <      requested_file_name,	! Full VMS filespec to use - inputE      actual_file_name;		! From file_search; "" if not on disk - input C      no_file_flag)		! Boolean, true to disable msg+set(output_file)   D ! Procedure called by eve_get_file to create a new buffer and map itG ! to the current window.  Returns the created buffer, or zero if error.   % local   new_buffer,		! Buffer created  	create_failed, 
 	parsed_name,  	default_exists;   on_error     [TPU$_CONTROLC]: 	eve$learn_abort; * 	if get_info (new_buffer, "type") = BUFFER 	then  	    delete (new_buffer);  	endif;  	abort;      [TPU$_DUPBUFNAME]:7 	eve$message (EVE$_BUFEXIST, 0, substr (buffer_name, 1, + 					       eve$x_max_buffer_name_length));  	return (FALSE);      [TPU$_OPENIN, TPU$_OPENOUT]:! 	eve$message (error_text, error);  	create_failed := TRUE;      [TPU$_TRUNCATE]:! 	eve$message (error_text, error); (     [TPU$_JRNLOPENERR, TPU$_BADJOUFILE]:? 	! Allow ULTRIX journaling to fail, and continue with creation. (         eve$message (error_text, error); 	create_failed := TRUE;      [OTHERWISE]:+ 	if error = TPU$_READERR		! JP Mar 2005 +++  	then 3 	  create_failed := TRUE;	! If the read failed, and 2 	  if not default_exists		! we're in startup, then$ 	  then				! quit with error status. 	    quit (off, EVE$K_ERROR); 2 	  endif;                        ! JP Mar 2005 --- 	endif;  endon_error;  7 ! default buffer not created until after end of startup > ! (after /INIT processing in procedure TPU$INIT_POSTPROCEDURE)  C default_exists := (get_info (eve$default_buffer, "type") = BUFFER);    if actual_file_name = "" then1     if not default_exists		! i.e., during startup      then+ 	new_buffer := create_buffer (buffer_name);      elseC 	new_buffer := create_buffer (buffer_name, "", eve$default_buffer); < 	set (MODIFIABLE, new_buffer, ON);	! override default buffer; 	set (NO_WRITE, new_buffer, OFF);	! override default buffer E 	if eve$$x_word_wrap_indent {eve$default_buffer} <> tpu$k_unspecified  	then , 	    eve$$x_word_wrap_indent {new_buffer} :=! 						    eve$$x_word_wrap_indent  						    {eve$default_buffer};  	endif; E 	if eve$$x_paragraph_indent {eve$default_buffer} <> tpu$k_unspecified  	then , 	    eve$$x_paragraph_indent {new_buffer} :=! 						    eve$$x_paragraph_indent  						    {eve$default_buffer};  	endif; 
     endif;     if create_failed     then 	delete (new_buffer);  	return (FALSE);
     endif;C     if (no_file_flag = tpu$k_unspecified) or (no_file_flag <> TRUE)      thenB 	! Parse it to hide password if user specified "username password"1 	parsed_name := file_parse (requested_file_name); 1 	eve$message (EVE$_FILENOTFOUND, 0, parsed_name); , 	set (OUTPUT_FILE, new_buffer, parsed_name);
     endif; else     if not default_exists      then= 	new_buffer := create_buffer (buffer_name, actual_file_name);      else< 	new_buffer := create_buffer (buffer_name, actual_file_name, 				     eve$default_buffer); < 	set (MODIFIABLE, new_buffer, ON);	! override default buffer; 	set (NO_WRITE, new_buffer, OFF);	! override default buffer E 	if eve$$x_word_wrap_indent {eve$default_buffer} <> tpu$k_unspecified  	then , 	    eve$$x_word_wrap_indent {new_buffer} :=! 						    eve$$x_word_wrap_indent  						    {eve$default_buffer};  	endif; E 	if eve$$x_paragraph_indent {eve$default_buffer} <> tpu$k_unspecified  	then , 	    eve$$x_paragraph_indent {new_buffer} :=! 						    eve$$x_paragraph_indent  						    {eve$default_buffer};  	endif; 
     endif;     if create_failed     then 	delete (new_buffer);  	return (FALSE);
     endif;4     set (OUTPUT_FILE, new_buffer, actual_file_name); endif;   if not default_exists  then?     set (EOB_TEXT, new_buffer, message_text (EVE$_EOBTEXT, 1)); =     set (LEFT_MARGIN, new_buffer, eve$x_default_left_margin); G     set (RIGHT_MARGIN, new_buffer, (get_info (eve$main_window, "width") ' 				    - eve$x_default_right_margin)); D     set (RIGHT_MARGIN_ACTION, new_buffer, eve$kt_word_wrap_routine); endif;  & if eve$$x_buffer_change_journaling and-     (not get_info (new_buffer, "journaling"))  then5     set (JOURNALING, new_buffer, ON);	! EVE's default  endif;  ! map (current_window, new_buffer);    return (new_buffer);  ! endprocedure;	! eve$create_buffer    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:55:59 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Free 4GB disks - Message-ID: <87oedr7awg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    > DAVID TURNER wrote:    D >> This is not a ploy to get customers.  We have hundreds (2-300) of7 >> 4gb 7200 rpm sca disks (sca is the 80 pin connector)   8 > Are there adaptors to 50 pin ribbon cable connectors ?  1 Stick em in a shelf and add a narror IO module...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:15:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: History of the VMS shark B Message-ID: <1110471332.16bf4614d467ea01601a5a5a22286ab6@teranews>  @ A while ago, I mentioned providing the VMS shark logo in variousF formats. A software problem on a mac resulted in that area of the disk* drive to be zapped. (Thanks RealPlayer !).  H But I have re-begun work on this. The original artwork on the clipart CDG is really rough, and was probably simply automatically generated from a H analog drawing that was scanned in. (automatic contouring of images). SoB I have spent a few minutes every day redrawing it over itself with simpler, smoother curves.   D I even decided to take a peek at pictures of sharks to try to see ifG that drawing was anatomically correct. This seems to be the great white C shark. Perhaps fitting since that species is an endangered species. G (just like VMS), yet it is extremely powerful and smart. based on those C images, I'll have to make a few changes to the shark (proportion of E ventral fins, lack of anal fin, and proportion of second dorsal fin). F This beast is a complex hydrodynamic animal. The "glitch" in the upperH tail fin on the original artwork happens to be a real notch in the fin ,D not some artifact of the vectorizing of that picture. (Note that theG great white is perhaps ne of the ugliest sharks, especially compared to U the sleeker white tipped shark. But the great white has the raw power to cempensate).     D So, when I am done, I plan to setup a small web page where folks canK download the logo in various formats , and probably generate a few "icons".    I have 2 questions here:  < For the sake of documentation in that page, does anyone knowH when/where/how/whom the first use of the shark was made (in reference to VMS, of course) ?   B And if one wanted to put a small icon on web pages, should it readE "Powered by VMS", "Powered by OpenVMS" , "VMS rocks" or what ???? Any 
 suggestions ?     C Now, considering that sharks eat and destroy stuff, wouldn't "Intel . inside" be truly fitting ????? :-) :-) :-) :-)  ? In hindsight, the shark really should have been the Alpha logo.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:58:11 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark = Message-ID: <D0%Xd.14093$_i3.244343@twister.southeast.rr.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  < news:1110471332.16bf4614d467ea01601a5a5a22286ab6@teranews...A >A while ago, I mentioned providing the VMS shark logo in various H > formats. A software problem on a mac resulted in that area of the disk, > drive to be zapped. (Thanks RealPlayer !). > J > But I have re-begun work on this. The original artwork on the clipart CDI > is really rough, and was probably simply automatically generated from a J > analog drawing that was scanned in. (automatic contouring of images). SoD > I have spent a few minutes every day redrawing it over itself with > simpler, smoother curves.  > F > I even decided to take a peek at pictures of sharks to try to see ifI > that drawing was anatomically correct. This seems to be the great white E > shark. Perhaps fitting since that species is an endangered species. I > (just like VMS), yet it is extremely powerful and smart. based on those E > images, I'll have to make a few changes to the shark (proportion of G > ventral fins, lack of anal fin, and proportion of second dorsal fin). H > This beast is a complex hydrodynamic animal. The "glitch" in the upperJ > tail fin on the original artwork happens to be a real notch in the fin ,F > not some artifact of the vectorizing of that picture. (Note that theI > great white is perhaps ne of the ugliest sharks, especially compared to K > the sleeker white tipped shark. But the great white has the raw power to   > cempensate). >  > F > So, when I am done, I plan to setup a small web page where folks canE > download the logo in various formats , and probably generate a few  
 > "icons". >  > I have 2 questions here: > > > For the sake of documentation in that page, does anyone knowJ > when/where/how/whom the first use of the shark was made (in reference to > VMS, of course) ?  > D > And if one wanted to put a small icon on web pages, should it readG > "Powered by VMS", "Powered by OpenVMS" , "VMS rocks" or what ???? Any  > suggestions ?  >  > E > Now, considering that sharks eat and destroy stuff, wouldn't "Intel 0 > inside" be truly fitting ????? :-) :-) :-) :-) > A > In hindsight, the shark really should have been the Alpha logo.     $ Can I get copies of that to post on:  + http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos   * ...or is this something you're doing solo?  I It would be great to get a graphic artist to do a rendition of the Great  I White logo with a dead penguin in his mouth.  Someone had mentioned that  
 somewhere.   Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:56:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark B Message-ID: <1110477375.fc6e7b52eefbe4e012e33baee736fb23@teranews>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: & > Can I get copies of that to post on: > - > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos  > , > ...or is this something you're doing solo?  H Once I am done, I will make the proper announcement and you can all copy it at ytour heart's content.    J > It would be great to get a graphic artist to do a rendition of the GreatJ > White logo with a dead penguin in his mouth.  Someone had mentioned that > somewhere.  F The shark I have is vector graphics, and once I am done rebuilding it,H inserting the penguin in its mouth won't be that hard. The last big itemE for me to work on is the mouth, so I'll probably work on making it in G two layers so that the penguin can be inserted betwene those two layers  to have the correct overlays.   C I also have to reshape its ventral fins because they don't have the  correct shape.  B Once this is done, the VMS shark will be different enough from theC original that there shoudln't be any copyright issues with its use. H (However, on a small scale image, it will look the same because you lose all the details).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:56:24 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark , Message-ID: <39bg2bF5ulk7nU1@individual.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:0 >...D > It would be great to get a graphic artist to do a rendition of theA > Great White logo with a dead penguin in his mouth.  Someone hado > mentioned that somewhere.V >...  A If I had any talent or knew anyone who did, I would like to get aaF picture of a bunch of lemmings (with the Windows Logo on them) jumping+ off a cliff into the mouth a the VMS shark.S   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.n Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXi www.weaverconsulting.caa   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 13:30:11 -0500! From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes)e% Subject: Re: History of the VMS sharki+ Message-ID: <d0q3nj$g1c$1@panix5.panix.com>n  , In article <39bg2bF5ulk7nU1@individual.net>,; Peter Weaver <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:f >Kenneth Farmer wrote: >>... E >> It would be great to get a graphic artist to do a rendition of theeB >> Great White logo with a dead penguin in his mouth.  Someone had >> mentioned that somewhere. >>...e >SB >If I had any talent or knew anyone who did, I would like to get aG >picture of a bunch of lemmings (with the Windows Logo on them) jumpingP, >off a cliff into the mouth a the VMS shark. >E >-- 
 >Peter WeaverC  >Weaver Consulting Services Inc. >Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX >www.weaverconsulting.ca >D >$     Here's a VAX shark for ya'....  $ http://www.panix.com/~adykes/vax.jpg  D It's a scan of a DECUS button I have from the year DEC killed the 36D bit product line ("LCG" for you kids.)  At the time I had several ofF the largest 36 bit machines DEC made and wasn't happy.  Not that I hadC anything against VMS, but the at the largest 32 bit machine was thet$ 780 and they tiny for our workload.   A The sailboat was the logo for lots of 36-bit related activities.     -- a    a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m   ! Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.-   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 06:38:20 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.coms! Subject: how to address "insfmem"uC Message-ID: <1110465500.057500.129930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>+  . I am getting "insfmem" from a Java application" after upgrading from 7.21 to 7.32.  1 It happens when it is writing to an applet panel.e, The program seems to keep running slowly but spits out messages.n  . I doubled the size of my pagefile but that did not solve the problem.  ) HELP/MESS seems to point to nonpage pool.e  1 What is the quickest, easiest way to adjust that?u   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:03:54 +0000 (UTC)o6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: how to address "insfmem"-0 Message-ID: <newscache$iu55di$82a$1@news.sil.at>  _ In article <1110465500.057500.129930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:o/ >I am getting "insfmem" from a Java application8# >after upgrading from 7.21 to 7.32.  >e2 >It happens when it is writing to an applet panel.- >The program seems to keep running slowly bute >spits out messages. >n/ >I doubled the size of my pagefile but that did  >not solve the problem.o > * >HELP/MESS seems to point to nonpage pool. >S2 >What is the quickest, easiest way to adjust that?  S http://www.openvms.digital.com/ebusiness/OptimizingSDKGuide/OptimizingSDKGuide.html    -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd% Network and OpenVMS system specialistn E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:01:09 -0500.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o% Subject: Re: how to address "insfmem"DB Message-ID: <1110470458.467870d1214b08b48eba78d772c85037@teranews>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:0 > I am getting "insfmem" from a Java application$ > after upgrading from 7.21 to 7.32.  3 > What is the quickest, easiest way to adjust that?x  B Start by increasing the SYSUAF (MC AUTHORIZE)  PGFILQUO (page fileE quota) for the account used to run the application.  That seems to beoH the big parameter that defines how much memory a program *thinks* it can have.   H The working set parameters (WSQUO, WSEXTENT) (and the SYSGEN WSMAX whichF overrules the previous ones if they exceed WSMAX) only define how much1 of the memory can be in RAM at any point in time.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:12:33 +0000C0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>E Subject: Re: How to make BACKUP fail instead of making OPCOM request?g+ Message-ID: <42300F81.9000608@sorry.nospam>    Bob Kaplow wrote:   M > Part of my nightly batch stream includes the daily tape backup. I'm lookingeK > for a way to make BACKUP abort if it runs out of tape, instead of sendingiJ > out an OPCOM message to mount a new tape. It's a lights out environment,N > with no one around to respond to the message. If BACKUP requests a new tape,K > the job hangs, and the stuff following the backup never gets done. Then Ik) > have a mess to clean up in the morning.e > L > I've put /NOASSIST on both the MOUNT and BACKUP commands, but that doesn't> > do it. There is no $$$ for a stacker. Any other suggestions?  G I wrote a NightWatchMan program, many years ago, for just this purpose. . We still use it, and it should be on freeware.> Alternatively http://services.ccagroup.co.uk/nightwatchman.zip  G It counts the operators around - if there are any, it gives them a few hG minutes. It then responds programmatically - with reply/abort to fresh u tape requests.   ChrisJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:02:45 +0800- From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO- Message-ID: <87k6of7al6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>u  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:s  A > Why can't they find someone of calibre of Gerstner's calibre  ?-  ? Because people of that ability and *credibillity* are very thinsA on the ground. The IBM board is one of the best connected `clubs'.= on the planet, so anyone who gets their tick is half way homeS already.   -- >< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.S@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Mar 2005 05:01:57 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message! Message-ID: <79F8FioRG5mO@wvnvms>   _ In article <aBKXd.1381$hb3.1271@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:lI > You are running on an anique, but it is trying to tell you something...i' > all you need to do is cut & paste it.w > ? > The SPX had hardware clipping that was done by loading a cliphD > list (a list of rectangles) into the HW (offscreen memory).  SinceA > offscreen memory is used for many things, it wasn't set to some/> > unreasonably high value - now you need to.  And it even gave > you a number to start at.u > D > Web browsers are notorious for having lots and lots of clipping in> > their window layout, or doing yummy things like drawing hugeD > rectangles through a tiny clipping rectangle to fill an area.  The4 > coders apparently weren't actually graphics savvy.  B I assume this error would not occur continuously unless Mosaic wasB continuously trying to do something?  An animated GIF would be theC only possibility while Mosaic is otherwise idle (unless it is stuck0B in continuous refresh URLs).  Would Mosaic see an error condition?   < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message> > news:1110390803.dc1942b77670e977506515c87573d248@teranews...G >> Had a strange thing happen today. I was running MOSAIC 3.8 on my vaxoH >> workstation (VMS 7.2), and I could hear the disk tick every couple ofK >> seconds, even though there was no activity on my part. The system showedo; >> DECW$SERVER_0 consuming bertween 30 and 50% of CPU time.  >> >>E >> Turns out that its log DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG was filling up witha >> messages every second:o< >> 9-MAR-2005 11:14:56.4 clipList did not get into Offscreen9 >>  9-MAR-2005 11:14:56.5 scn_ClipFromRegion:  Define/Syso >> DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA to >>  be larger than 6528s= >>  9-MAR-2005 11:14:57.6 clipList did not get into Offscreeny9 >>  9-MAR-2005 11:14:57.6 scn_ClipFromRegion:  Define/Syso >> DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA to >>  be larger than 6528l >> >>J >> When I exited MOSAIC, this stopped. It had never happened to me before. >>E >> Does anyone know what this means ?  Does defining the logical take < >> effect immediatly, or only upon the server's restarting ?  G Were there any animated GIFs on the page?  Is the problem reproducible? C If so what is the URL?  I can try it on both a 3100/SPX and a 2000.0     George Cookg WVNETr   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:16:30 GMTd* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message2 Message-ID: <yUWXd.1406$HB3.1143@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 "George Cook" <cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> wrote in message news:79F8FioRG5mO@wvnvms...  >wD > I assume this error would not occur continuously unless Mosaic wasD > continuously trying to do something?  An animated GIF would be theE > only possibility while Mosaic is otherwise idle (unless it is stuck D > in continuous refresh URLs).  Would Mosaic see an error condition? >   - This is an application issue I cannot answer.   < X11 doesn't have a mechanism to report these types of errorsB back to the application - the only errors that it reports back are? top level errors like Bad Window, or "IO" Error.  The DDX coulde? do any number of things when faced with this problem - it mightd= punt the operation to machine independent code (which is whateC I would do) - at which point this is then just a performance issue.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:18:54 -0500j- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>p6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA messageB Message-ID: <1110467926.97045541c26b49eb55597e3d1248e117@teranews>   George Cook wrote:D > I assume this error would not occur continuously unless Mosaic wasD > continuously trying to do something?  An animated GIF would be theE > only possibility while Mosaic is otherwise idle (unless it is stuck0D > in continuous refresh URLs).  Would Mosaic see an error condition?  D Mosaic did not appear to complain at all. The only reason I detected@ this was because I could HEAR the hard drive clicking at regularD interval. I did a netstat to find out if there was someone trying toF access that system, but that didn't do anything. And only by doing theC MON SYSTEM did I realise that the DECW server was eating up cpu, atI& which point it looked at its log file.  H At the time, I know I had a page opened to the cannondale bike web site.A If I have a minute, I may try again to see if I can reproduce the F problem, at which point, I can look at the HTML source and see if they) have anything in there that isn't kosher.   = I had already found one of their pages with a structure errornB (terminating a table element before terminating a <SELECT> element< inside that table element), so it might be some other error.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:07:31 GMTr* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message2 Message-ID: <7h_Xd.1416$JK3.1038@news.cpqcorp.net>  A As I said.  Some web browsers, and some HTML are horrible.  There @ isn't much you can do.  One early problem we saw on VAX that mayG still be broken on some of the adapters is doing a "huge" (like maximum-F size) rectangular fill operation through clipping rectange to do colorE fills.  It broke at least one assumption in someones code about large  negative offsets.r  C As I also said, the code "probably" punted the operation to MI, andgB put a note in the error log to tell the user to bump the clip list allocation.S  F Also, as I said - there is no way to communicate this information back to the application.-  F Lastly, you can either ignore it (if everything is working and you areA just getting this message on some specific web site) - or you canaD take the suggestion in the file and experiment to see what value you9 need to raise the clip list allocation to for it to stop.e  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1110467926.97045541c26b49eb55597e3d1248e117@teranews... > George Cook wrote:F > > I assume this error would not occur continuously unless Mosaic wasF > > continuously trying to do something?  An animated GIF would be theG > > only possibility while Mosaic is otherwise idle (unless it is stuckdF > > in continuous refresh URLs).  Would Mosaic see an error condition? >sF > Mosaic did not appear to complain at all. The only reason I detectedB > this was because I could HEAR the hard drive clicking at regularF > interval. I did a netstat to find out if there was someone trying toH > access that system, but that didn't do anything. And only by doing theE > MON SYSTEM did I realise that the DECW server was eating up cpu, at ( > which point it looked at its log file. >eJ > At the time, I know I had a page opened to the cannondale bike web site.C > If I have a minute, I may try again to see if I can reproduce thetH > problem, at which point, I can look at the HTML source and see if they+ > have anything in there that isn't kosher.i > ? > I had already found one of their pages with a structure erroryD > (terminating a table element before terminating a <SELECT> element> > inside that table element), so it might be some other error.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:53:46 -0500I- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>t6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA messageB Message-ID: <1110470015.815919205c0a21bfc67d4ba4b46425e1@teranews>  ! Ok, I found the "offending" page.    Sorry for the very long url:  	> http://clients.mapquest.com/cannondale/mqinterconnect?link=map&&clientpoi1=1&closestprox=1&miles=250&mouse_mode=indetify&si=2&so=1&ss=1&mt=455000&orig_lat=455000&mg=-735833&orig_lng=-735833&fc=Montreal%20%5bEnglish%5d%20%20Montreal%20%5bFrench%5d&fs=QC&fy=CA&ml=6e    F validator.w3.org does report a number of structural errors along withaE great deal of warnings (such as not enclosing 100% in quotes and someyC non existant tags, , but the page displays enough information to besA usable, and I am able to click on the map to get a list of storesn! nearest to the area I clicked on.t  8 As soon as I close that page, the error reporting to the decw$server_0_error.log stops.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:22:59 -0500p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>a6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA messageB Message-ID: <1110471766.561dbad0dc5367f38588cfda17b41fe2@teranews>   FredK wrote:H > Lastly, you can either ignore it (if everything is working and you areC > just getting this message on some specific web site) - or you canlF > take the suggestion in the file and experiment to see what value you; > need to raise the clip list allocation to for it to stop.h  F In the case of the SPX card, does VMS make use of the built-in memory,E or is that memory fully local to the hardware on the card and totally/ opaque to VMS ?   F and does that parameter DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA result in some real RAMH on the VAX being used, or is it just some thing which the server uses toF configure the SPX card which then manages its own memory differently ?  ? Do current, modern, video adaptors work totally difeferently intE principle, or do they use a similar approach to the communication andoC interworking between the operating system and the display adaptor ?y   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:11:20 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message1 Message-ID: <c50Yd.1440$wO3.803@news.cpqcorp.net>V  ; None of this has much bearing on the price of tea in China.n  9 Each DDX is unique, although there are DDX's that use thea: same framework, and so are similar.  Hardware is unique as well.t  8 On the VAX graphics, there was a lot of thought put into: allowing the graphics hardware to clip the drawing output.2 This makes the drawing code much simpler, and much0 less CPU intensive - and the VAX was a weak CPU.  4 Also on many VAX graphics, offscreen memory was used? for all kinds of things - the colormap, the cursor, clip lists,h7 fonts, and importantly - pixmaps.  All of these competed; with each other for the available memory, and a lot of work 5 went into offscreen memory management and allocation.e8 The LCG was the major exception to this - since it was a7 part of the memory controller, and could use CPU memory" as offscreen memory.  4 On pretty much every other DDX and graphics hardware9 in recent years, the hardware normally provides a minimalc> clipping capability - as little as a single rectangle.  People= long ago punted on believing that it was worth while building = and maintaining a clip list for the screen - since there willh8 always be cases where you will run out of resources.  So9 instead, software in the DDX figures out the clipping andt8 may re-draw the operation multiple times in fact (or not5 at all).  Burning CPU to compute the drawing regions.   9 Most MIT derived servers also do not use offscreen memoryu3 for Pixmaps.  Offscreen memory may be used for font)4 optimization, but seldom does anyone do the work for8 pixmaps - they punt it to CFB code.  3D OpenGL code will5 quite often use offscreen memory for texture maps, as ! well as the GL pixmap equivalent.e  6 By "turning the knob" on the SPX to increase clip list5 space, you reduce the memory available for pixmap andf fonts.  8 Probably something you don't care about, since it's just this one website.i    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1110471766.561dbad0dc5367f38588cfda17b41fe2@teranews... > FredK wrote:J > > Lastly, you can either ignore it (if everything is working and you areE > > just getting this message on some specific web site) - or you can H > > take the suggestion in the file and experiment to see what value you= > > need to raise the clip list allocation to for it to stop.  > H > In the case of the SPX card, does VMS make use of the built-in memory,G > or is that memory fully local to the hardware on the card and totallyy > opaque to VMS ?a >gH > and does that parameter DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA result in some real RAMJ > on the VAX being used, or is it just some thing which the server uses toH > configure the SPX card which then manages its own memory differently ? >eA > Do current, modern, video adaptors work totally difeferently inbG > principle, or do they use a similar approach to the communication andeE > interworking between the operating system and the display adaptor ?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:06:48 -0500,- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>g6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA messageB Message-ID: <1110477992.5b7a19022212afc48a72748356d6f49a@teranews>   FredK wrote:: > On the VAX graphics, there was a lot of thought put into< > allowing the graphics hardware to clip the drawing output.4 > This makes the drawing code much simpler, and much2 > less CPU intensive - and the VAX was a weak CPU.  G Interesting comment when you compare VMS/VAX with MVS/270 machines. TherF 370s were "weak" and couldn't handle character IO and instead made theE 3270 terminals work "offline" to offload much of the IO from the CPU.r@ Meanwhile the VAX was able to support interactive terminals withF character io etc. So it is interesting that you would consider the VAX as a "weak CPU".  5 (Of course by today's standards, it is a no-brainer)._  6 > Also on many VAX graphics, offscreen memory was usedA > for all kinds of things - the colormap, the cursor, clip lists,u# > fonts, and importantly - pixmaps.h  G By offscreen memory, do you mean memory on the graphics card, or memory  attached to the CPU ?dE Would VMS software have the ability to write to the memory in the SPXrG card with DMA or whatever, or was all transfers done between VAX memoryrH and SPX memory through interrupts with the SPC card doing the transfer ?    ; > Most MIT derived servers also do not use offscreen memoryS5 > for Pixmaps.  Offscreen memory may be used for font   D Ok, this is a question which may or may not be related, but has been bugging me for some time.o  1 What is a backing store in x-server terminology ?u    : > Probably something you don't care about, since it's just > this one website.   F Yeah, for now, it is just this one web site. but that page didn't seemE overly complex and anything which fills up a low file with close to ae? 1000 blocks of the same message is something which concerns me.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:28:13 GMTe! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video8 Message-ID: <k6vv21hmjcgtpe6ogdkk5ck15vto5qetuv@4ax.com>  M On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:18:38 GMT, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:    >U6 >"Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message= >news:1110404300.274954.92240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...f >> >> JF Mezei wrote:% >> > re: marketing person who left HPS >> >J >> > Shannon may have been referring to the young marketing guru that left >> HPLF >> > recently to go back to Apple. She was not "VMS" employee, she wasB >> > corporate marketing where there is real money spent. I posted >> something8 >> > when this happened, not long after Carly was fired. >>F >> I doubt it as Shannon said the sacking saved maybe $150K. I am sureH >> Senior Vice President Marketing (Allison Johnson whom I think you are, >> referring to) earns a lot more than that. >> >tJ >And yet it's too much money for us peons.  So it's someone in the middle," >and I'll be darned if I know who.  P It probably is peon level. The cost of an employee is not just salary but is allI the other overheads like providing office space, equipment, training etc.t   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:48 +1100e6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoX Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE09@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5254C.DBA6223Fe. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablet  L >It probably is peon level. The cost of an employee is not just salary but = alleJ >the other overheads like providing office space, equipment, training etc.  L Yep, when they "loan" me, I have been loaned at about 5 times my salary.  O=L n that basis when we are "loaned" people, I believe we are over exaggerated=L  in price.  Why are we charging people for my any training?  The purveyors = are assuming I am trained.  L Why are we charging for some of these other overheads -- they are there reg= ardless?  L With my take on life, it is little wonder that I am not a Curly or Carly wi= th a nice bank balance :-)  L So, part of the nub that I am trying to opine is that this could be a peon =L level as Nigel states.  If I were thrown out they could claim (but in au do=L llars) that they had saved even more, based on what they charge.  But I don= 't see that money.   Regards, Paddy   >--u
 >Nigel Barkera  >Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur        G ***********************************************************************)  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged(@ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviserD the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20pC immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20i? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20rC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses_> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************a    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5254C.DBA6223FC- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"n+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabled  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">n <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-= 1">)K <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0">-. <TITLE>Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity Video</TITLE> </HEAD>0 <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->e  L <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;It probably is peon level. The cost of an employee is=  not just salary but all<BR>L &gt;the other overheads like providing office space, equipment, training et= c.<BR> <BR>L Yep, when they &quot;loan&quot; me, I have been loaned at about 5 times my =L salary.&nbsp; On that basis when we are &quot;loaned&quot; people, I believ=L e we are over exaggerated in price.&nbsp; Why are we charging people for my=A  any training?&nbsp; The purveyors are assuming I am trained.<BR>l <BR>L Why are we charging for some of these other overheads -- they are there reg= ardless?<BR> <BR>L With my take on life, it is little wonder that I am not a Curly or Carly wi= th a nice bank balance :-)<BR> <BR>L So, part of the nub that I am trying to opine is that this could be a peon =L level as Nigel states.&nbsp; If I were thrown out they could claim (but in =L au dollars) that they had saved even more, based on what they charge.&nbsp;=   But I don't see that money.<BR> <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR>
 &gt;--<BR> &gt;Nigel Barker<BR>' &gt;Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur<BR>o <BR> <BR> </FONT>b </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>! <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>r <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR>aB and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR>sA individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR>nG authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR>eB virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>h </FONT>e </BODY>e </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5254C.DBA6223F--m   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 04:28:30 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS-Integrity VideoC Message-ID: <1110457710.123075.206010@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>i   FredK wrote:  C > And yet it's too much money for us peons.  So it's someone in the  middle,s# > and I'll be darned if I know who.d  A I understand that Mark Buda, however, is no longer employed. I amnC reminded of a quote from another former employee about DEC's latters$ days: "Downsize, Rightsize, Capsize"  G I recall the huge amount of voluntary work Mark, as a DEC employee, putaE into C-Kermit on VMS in the late 80s. Without him Kermit on VMS would,D never have had all the RMS bells and whistles and its transfer speedF would still have been severly limited by the terrible I/O of the VAX C5 RTL at the time. I am sure Frank Da Cruz would agree.e --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:57:57 GMTa' From: Natch <blah_dont_use@hotmail.com> = Subject: Re: Selling an operational MicroVAX II if interestedA8 Message-ID: <prn0315qdsgt9917f6sul059s65gffnl0h@4ax.com>  C I shipped something that I wanted insured for a quarter million.  Ie; got strange looks from the shipping deapartment.  They weresD atmospheric samples that required a rocket flight to acquire.  Those flights aren't cheap, ya know.   -n natchm  E On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:09:12 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>d wrote:  ; >0 in this manner, ground, insured for $35k I believe, and dF >it went from PA to CA overnight.  I asked the pick-up driver, and he 1 >related several things about 'special handling'.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:24:15 +0000 (UTC)s From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk) Subject: Re: Sending SMTP e-mail from DCLs) Message-ID: <d0paov$8i0$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>e  r In article <1110390405.95106e775003a24628130bdecd8ad58c@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:P >> When specifying an ip address in the rcpt to address you should enclose it inL >> square brackets ie user@[aa.bb.cc.dd]. This is known as a domain literal. >hI >> An SMTP MUST accept and recognise a domain literal for any of it's ownr >> IP addresses. >  >VMS TCPIP Services doesn't. > 0 >Printing debug_level 2, Domains and recipients: >Domain: [234.45.67.65] 0 >   Recipient address:  <jfmezei@[234.45.67.65]>% >   Domain part:       [234.45.67.65], >   Local part:        jfmezei: >   Address Status:    Not done, not delivered. (Requeued) >o* >Printing debug_level 2, relevant headers:* >Return-Path: SMTP%"jfmezei@chocolate.com"B >Received: from BIKE (10.0.0.10)  by bike.vaxination.ca (V5.3-18E, >OpenVMS V7.2 Vp$ >AX); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:36:53 -0500 >From: jfmezei@vanilla.com >Subject: test message >To: jfmezei@[234.45.67.65]  >u >sI >When I entered the RCPT TO: command, I could hear/feel the system try tol? >work out the destination, instead if deciding this was a local F >destination. In a few days, I should get an email from the postamster! >telling me it cannot deliver it.o  A I haven't used the SMTP in TCPIP services/ UCX  since about 1995.o3 A quick look at the manual shows that it has a filetK TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT which is used to define a list of domains thatn SMTP interprets as local. " I'd hope you would be able to put  [234.45.67.65]  in that file._N However even if it works it isn't documented which it should be since it is an RFC requirement.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University 0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:54:53 -0700o. From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> Subject: Tape Init, Message-ID: <2dZXd.5$Lb7.58@news.uswest.net>  J Is there any way to initialize a DDS-3 tape on VMS after Windows (Veritas) has written to it?   Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:04:26 +0000 (UTC)a6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Tape Init0 Message-ID: <newscache$ev55di$c2a$1@news.sil.at>  ] In article <2dZXd.5$Lb7.58@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> writes:aK >Is there any way to initialize a DDS-3 tape on VMS after Windows (Veritas)i >has written to it?b   What's wrong with $ INIT ?   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistw E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:44:10 -0700o. From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> Subject: Re: Tape Init- Message-ID: <vP_Xd.9$lf4.354@news.uswest.net>y  K I get a device error everytime.  I have even tried using the /ERASE switch.k   Mike.   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message * news:newscache$ev55di$c2a$1@news.sil.at...@ > In article <2dZXd.5$Lb7.58@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> writes:C > >Is there any way to initialize a DDS-3 tape on VMS after Windowse	 (Veritas)  > >has written to it?t >g > What's wrong with $ INIT ? >f > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERp' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistt > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist >f   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.138 ************************