1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 11 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 140       Contents:  Re: Change MAC address on DE500?- Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI P Re: Delaware Valley LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Al) Hey Kerry - server consolidation question  Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark% RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO , Re: I think my copy of VMS must be defective, Re: Sony vs HP: a comparison of CEO oustings, Re: Sony vs HP: a comparison of CEO oustings, Re: Sony vs HP: a comparison of CEO oustings$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions# Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:43:49 -0800 # From: Tom Crabtree <spam@sucks.com> ) Subject: Re: Change MAC address on DE500? / Message-ID: <DqSdnYOXudP4V6zfRVn-iQ@sunset.net>   B Just realized I gave the wrong email addy, here's the correct one: tccrab*no_spam*@sunset.net       T    Jonathan Boswell wrote:   1 > "Crabs" <spamsucks@nospam.com> wrote in message + > news:iNCdnWWDyvte37TfRVn-3g@sunset.net...  > I >>It is possible and actually quite simple to re-write the MAC address of J >>the DE500 card.  What you need is the SROM programming tool kit from the4 >>old Digital Semiconductor FTP site, here's a link: >  >  > Tom you genius!  >  > H >>Download and copy all the files to a Windows formatted bootable floppy >  > K > You must mean format /s because this package is nearly 1MB all by itself, ? > not including various Windows utilities on my recovery disks.  >  > H >>disk. Place the DE500 card in a Windows 95/98/2000 system then boot toI >>the floppy. Use SROMUTIL to read the existing information on the DE500,  >  > N > This fails with an "unable to access CSR9" error.  The utility does find theL > card and identifies it as a Digital Semiconductor 21143.  Got any ideas on > why I can't access CSR9? >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:12:25 -0500 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>6 Subject: Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI, Message-ID: <d0s90b$5pf$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi Guy,   5 "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> wrote in message  = news:1110496172.326927.162040@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... D > After correcting a problem in the routing table, adding entries toI > HOSTS & LMHOSTS and restarting Pathworks, I can now see the server from E > a PC.  So I went to define some shares, but got back the following:  > B > %PWRK-E-ERRGETSERV, error getting server information for "DELTA"< > -LM-E-ERROR_BAD_NETPA, the network path cannot be located. > H > I don't know how to progress from here as I don't know how to discover8 > what network path it is trying, and failing, to locate >   J It can't find itself :o).   First check that all processes, pwrk$lmsrv in K particular, remain running after startup ($ PWSHOW).   Then check that the  9 NETLOGON service has started using $ ADMIN SHOW SERVICES.   K If netlogon is not started (or regardless), check the System event log for   indications of problems;      Try this first:  C     $ admin logoff    !  Logoff if you previously did $ admin logon 2     $ admin show events/since[=<[date:]time>]/full  6   If that fails (network path not found), you have to:  '     $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands      $ pwstop     $ elfread -d system   J If pwrk$lmsrv isn't running, look for .dmp file in pwrk$lmlogs: directory ? and check the tail end of pwrk$lmlogs:pwrk$lmsrv_delta.log and   pwrk$lmmcp_delta.log.    We'll go from there...   Paul     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 05:34:07 -0800& From: "Galen" <gspamtackett@yahoo.com>Y Subject: Re: Delaware Valley LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Al C Message-ID: <1110548047.582399.299960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Bob,  D If it wasn't such a long drive from my neck of the woods in Virginia" I'd love to attend. Best wishes...   Others,   @ Bob and I both attended the HP/Intel Itanium Developers Forum inF Phoenix last September. He was of significant help overcoming problemsE with the archaic build procedures for the software I was porting from G Alpha to IA64. (I had relatively few and simple issues with source code * itself, a fairly large amount of Fortran.)  A I expect his presentation will be quite helpful if you're getting & started with porting to IA64 yourself.     Regards,   Galen    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:09:03 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question, Message-ID: <0PedndGIsvtbQ6zfRVn-qg@igs.net>   Kerry,  H Recently you have been saying that then big action in the marketplace is server consolidation.   F Are you talking, based on your own efforts at customer site, that this server consolidation is:  F a) from a myriad of Windows servers to a smaller, manageable number of Windows-based servers, orF b) from a myriad of Windows servers to a smaller, manageable number of VMS-based servers?   --D OpenVMS  - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:56:19 -0500  From: "Ray" <no@spam.me>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark ' Message-ID: <ujbYd.234$ls.147@fe02.lga>   > > For the sake of documentation in that page, does anyone knowJ > when/where/how/whom the first use of the shark was made (in reference to > VMS, of course) ?   E As for who, that would be John Smith (John Peter Smith who worked for E Digital), back in 1994, I think. The shark logo was used on the first K Digital-internal VMS web site (running on a DEC5000 Ultrix system, with the J disks NFS-served from a VMS system, as there was as yet no web server thatI ran on VMS), but it predated this. Sue Skonetski should know how to get a < hold of him to get the details of the first time he used it.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2005 23:49:40 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark = Message-ID: <a98cd882.0503102349.475ee997@posting.google.com>   c "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9615D47DDCF43dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>... K > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Peter Weaver wrote in news:39bg2bF5ulk7nU1@individual.net  > E > > If I had any talent or knew anyone who did, I would like to get a J > > picture of a bunch of lemmings (with the Windows Logo on them) jumping/ > > off a cliff into the mouth a the VMS shark.  > ! > For those with a Windows box...  > & > http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/ >  > Some lemmings. ;-) >  >  > Doc.  T At a first glance, it seems to work fine on my OpenVMS workstation with Mozilla 1.7!  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:01:27 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark , Message-ID: <39dq5mF5v14keU1@individual.net>   Doc. wrote:   K > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Peter Weaver wrote in news:39bg2bF5ulk7nU1@individual.net  >  > C >>If I had any talent or knew anyone who did, I would like to get a H >>picture of a bunch of lemmings (with the Windows Logo on them) jumping- >>off a cliff into the mouth a the VMS shark.  >  > ! > For those with a Windows box...  > & > http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/ >  > Some lemmings. ;-) >   H Thanks very much for that link. It's a replica of one of the games that , came with my first PC that had proper sound.  < And I'll add that it works fine with Firefox on Mac OS X :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:10:40 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark , Message-ID: <39dqmuF5v7jmcU1@individual.net>   DeanW wrote:  B > On 10 Mar 2005 19:51:54 GMT, Doc. <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote: > ! >>For those with a Windows box...  >>& >>http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/ >  > " > Well, there goes my afternoon... >  > Long time Lemmings addict, >   B Ditto. Computers for me are for serious work, but this one got me E addicted too. :-) 'Tis a shame that later versions lost it somehow...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:22:12 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark ; Message-ID: <1BjYd.34274$JH1.1567253@news20.bellglobal.com>   / "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message  % news:d0q3nj$g1c$1@panix5.panix.com...  >  [...snip...] >   > Here's a VAX shark for ya'.... > & > http://www.panix.com/~adykes/vax.jpg > F > It's a scan of a DECUS button I have from the year DEC killed the 36F > bit product line ("LCG" for you kids.)  At the time I had several ofH > the largest 36 bit machines DEC made and wasn't happy.  Not that I hadE > anything against VMS, but the at the largest 32 bit machine was the % > 780 and they tiny for our workload.  > B > The sailboat was the logo for lots of 36-bit related activities. > ! > a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m  >   - Is there any meaning to the upside-down flag?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 12:11:57 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 3 Message-ID: <e2jp4YywxSIk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1BjYd.34274$JH1.1567253@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: / > Is there any meaning to the upside-down flag?   ) An upside-down flag is a distress signal.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little?         temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- A         Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:15:18 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEOR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F23@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20 > Sent: March 10, 2005 9:53 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO >=20 > Rob Young wrote: > >=20 > > In article=20 ? > <1110417610.15cdca0eb3ae2e5472704358fed95dad@teranews>, JF=20 . > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >=20  > > > Not too promising for VMS. > >=20C > >         Come on purse your lips... give us a "death of VMS."=20  >=20B > Well, let me put it this way: there was another post recently=20 > on one of E > the mailing lists I subscribe to at work indicating that a VMS shop ? > would be migrating to AIX for reasons that echo statements=20  > made in this! > forum. (Such are not uncommon.)  >=20E > I forwarded it to HP/VMS management with the subject line, "Another ? > Endangered Account". (Again, not uncommon for me to do that.)  >=20B > Despite much vaunted - but so far, little documented - growth=20 > in the VMS6 > market, the 'net is rife with evidence of attrition. >=20G > Decision makers and juries alike base their decisions on the evidence  > presented. >=20 > --=20      David,  D Re: moving to AIX ... Course, one when looking at long term futures,B albeit a bit dated, they might also want to consider the following> public statement from the top VP in charge of software at IBM:  < http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982512.html?tag=3Dfd_lede2_hedF "NEW YORK--The day is approaching when Linux will likely replace IBM's> version of Unix, the company's top software executive said, anG indication that the upstart operating system's stature is rising within  Big Blue.=20  E While IBM doesn't expect Linux to replace its own AIX version of Unix A any time soon, Big Blue is pushing the open-source OS in the that F direction, Steve Mills, senior vice president of IBM's Software Group,8 told CNET News.com at last week's LinuxWorld trade show.  E Asked whether IBM's eventual goal is to replace AIX with Linux, Mills D responded, "It's fairly obvious we're fine with that idea...It's the logical successor."    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:45:43 -0500 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>. Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO0 Message-ID: <W_2dnVGnlMS1IKzfRVn-ug@comcast.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:   <snip> > David, > F > Re: moving to AIX ... Course, one when looking at long term futures,D > albeit a bit dated, they might also want to consider the following@ > public statement from the top VP in charge of software at IBM: > < > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982512.html?tag=fd_lede2_hed <snip>   Kerry,  D That article is now more than two years old - where's the death?	:-)  A David is (I think) speaking of a vendor whose product used to be  G available exclusively on VMS, but is now available on AIX, as well.  I  F was acquainted with a hospital in my area that started testing one of D these boxes last year (code named: Shark - how's _that_ for irony?) C There was a VMS box in the same computer room, running a different  H application, but the handwriting was plainly on the wall for me - "old" G VMS box (2100 - V6.2-1H1) on the way out, "new" AIX box(es) (about the  ; size and shape of the EV Storageworks boxes) on the way in.   F HP (VMS) is rapidly losing ground in one of its last "niche" markets, D and prefers to stand by, idly whistling in the dark, and hoping its & competitors will just go away quietly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:01:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEOB Message-ID: <1110556869.ed5319689ee141684effca44f3e8e85d@teranews>   Brad Hamilton wrote:M > That article is now more than two years old - where's the death?        :-)  > B > David is (I think) speaking of a vendor whose product used to beF > available exclusively on VMS, but is now available on AIX, as well.   H We, as VMS supporters, cannot use AIX' future as argument because VMS isE exactly in the same shoe, except that AIX is onwed and supported by a  reputable vendor, VMS isn't.  H The big difference is that with the backing of IBM, when AIX is retired,D you can bet your bottom that your strategic applications will run onF Linux and IBM will be there to help you and IBM will come thorugh withF the port of any AIX specific features to Linux. (something wich HP hasH now failed and can n longer be trusted, after its decision to canecl the  porting of Trucluster to HP-UX).  * AIX has a long term path: Linux on Power. G VMS doesn't have a clear future. The OS may have a roadmap of a year or E two, but nobody trusts the vendor's promises on the platform's future B (or lack thereof), and everyone knows that the vendor isn't reallyH working hard to protect and grow the real applications available on VMS.  H And for what it's worth, HP-UX is in a worse boat than AIX. At least AIXH users can migrate to Linux on Power with same endiannes.  HP-UX users on@ Pa-Risc will have to migrate to either Power, Sparc or 8086 with different endianness.     G Remember that Intel has now admitted that IA64's niche has been further G reduced to just the very high end (the Cray of the 1980s) and that just + isn't ve relevant to common business needs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:37:19 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO6 Message-ID: <3f119ada0503110837786dd55@mail.gmail.com>  J On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:15:18 -0500, Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote:3 > -----Original Message----- From: David J Dachtera $ > [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] > Sent: March 10, 2005 9:53 PM > C >> Well, let me put it this way: there was another post recently on D >> one of the mailing lists I subscribe to at work indicating that aF >> VMS shop would be migrating to AIX for reasons that echo statements0 >>  made in this forum. (Such are not uncommon.) >>  F >> I forwarded it to HP/VMS management with the subject line, "AnotherA >>  Endangered Account". (Again, not uncommon for me to do that.)  >>  C >> Despite much vaunted - but so far, little documented - growth in ? >> the VMS market, the 'net is rife with evidence of attrition.  >>  ? >> Decision makers and juries alike base their decisions on the  >> evidence presented. >  > David, > G > Re: moving to AIX ... Course, one when looking at long term futures,  E > albeit a bit dated, they might also want to consider the following  @ > public statement from the top VP in charge of software at IBM:, [snip, IBM sees Linux as a successor to AIX]  F With all due respect, Kerry, sometimes I think you (personally, and HPB in general) JUST DON'T GET IT. I've heard YOU, Kerry, blow-off andF hand wave these things personally, plus the announcements (or lack of)E from HP indicate that they're not paying attention. What was the last D one- that LSE or someone was going to Windows? "Oh, they'll be sorry@ about that!" someone [That was Kerry again, I think] said. Sure,D they'll be sorry- but THEY'LL BE ON WINDOWS, FOR GOOD OR BAD. Hello-E does that sound like "not a VMS customer"? Having left, maybe they'll ; come back- but given the cause for the LSE move (VMS is too C expensive), probably they'll hunker down and make the MS stuff work E acceptably (FSVO), or they'll try something else. Big decision makers D don't like to go back- that looks too much like they were wrong, and  being wrong is bad for a career.  B The issue is- this customer is thinking about going away from VMS,F based on perceptions (VMS is too expensive to own, or develop for) andE maybe because of FUD- and all HP does is try to FUD back- with rather B anemic FUD, at that. What can you trot out to counter the constantA "VMS is going away" messages that we hear everywhere? The "VMS is > growing" is vague and appears unsupported in face of anecdotalE evidence and a recent history of [percieved] misleading statements or F broken promises. Whether those statements were misleading, or promises: actually were broken, I'll leave for others to decide- theF _perception_ is that they were, and it's the _perception_ that counts.C There's only one company that's going to debunk those- don't expect F IBM or Sun to say "Oh, we're sure VMS will be around for a long while!E And it's TCO and development costs are lower than our offerings, too. E Would you like some AIX now, or should I hook you up with an HP rep?"   E OK, so IBM says Linux may one day replace AIX. When that happens, you C can bet that IBM will make that transition as perfectly transparent E and painless as possible- quite likely very transparent and painless- = IBM is spending quite a chunk on Linux development. And their E investment in hardware is safe- Linux runs on damn near anything. So, B to counteract the "AIX is going away" FUD, the IBM rep says "Sure.E AIX, Linux- pick one. They both run on Power, or you can get Linux on C x86 if you'd like. In a few years all those features will be merged C together and IBM can have you covered for servers small, medium, or D large, all on one OS. So, what flavor would you like to start with?"  C Someone from HP needs to run down the customer Dave mentioned, find D out what the _real_ issues are (just like when someone asks for help@ here), and help them solve them. If that happens to be an HP VMSB ambassador, great. Otherwise, the name on that customer's next boxC will probably be "IBM", because nobody's given them a reason why it 
 shouldn't be.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 12:03:58 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow). Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO3 Message-ID: <Qh5A8T+HIicD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1110556869.ed5319689ee141684effca44f3e8e85d@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:H > the port of any AIX specific features to Linux. (something wich HP hasJ > now failed and can n longer be trusted, after its decision to canecl the" > porting of Trucluster to HP-UX).  = Don't forget the previous commitment to port Tru64 to IA64...     1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little?         temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- A         Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:39:42 -0800 # From: Tom Crabtree <spam@sucks.com> 5 Subject: Re: I think my copy of VMS must be defective / Message-ID: <DqSdnYCXudPzVKzfRVn-iQ@sunset.net>    > M > At the same time?  Now that's impressive.  Try doing that with your Winders 	 > system.  > H Not impressive at all.  VMS has *ALWAYS* been capable of "Multi-Tasking" *smirk*    T    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:04:28 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 5 Subject: Re: Sony vs HP: a comparison of CEO oustings 0 Message-ID: <1132g5ctc8ar927@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  > <snip> >  >>D >>As for hiring a CEO, I see no reason for such a person to have anyD >>such protections.  They've done nothing to 'earn' such protection.F >>It should be, here's your salary, do good and you'll get a bonus, do >>bad and you're fired.  >  >  > K > Whoa David. You expect the big fish to be treated the same as the "little , > people"? That just isn't the American way.  ! Maybe it's time for some changes?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:51:23 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: Sony vs HP: a comparison of CEO oustings 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada050311085160e3c7c5@mail.gmail.com>   L On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:27:11 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > Lurker at Large wrote:O > >       I think I understand where they came from originally.  Companies were R > > embarrassed when they had to fire anyone in upper management so they paid them- > > handsomely to quietly sneak out the door.  > I > Some of the reasoning for 'golden parachutes' is similar to the 'poison A > pill' schemes to prevent hostile takeover of a company.  If you J > institute special circumstances that make a takeover costly enough, then$ > perhaps the takeover won't happen.  > OK, I understand the *historical* reasons. But with the modernF mega-merger, a few million here or there really don't add up to enough? to be a viable disincentive to a hostile takeover, and  handing B someone more than their annual salary to go away after screwing upE never did make any sense to me- especially when I could probably live 9 comfortably for the rest of my life on Carly's parachute.   A Several years ago, a CEO of a company I worked for (and the CEO's ? office had a revolving door) told us we were going broke- so to A motivate us, they were giving away trips (all expenses, including E salary so it didn't use your vacation time) in what effectively was a E popularity contest. I doubt that that little program cost more than a @ tenth of a percent of gross income. Of course, at the same time,D anyone not actively involved in getting current product out the doorD was laid off- and that includes engineers, product managers, testingE and documentation services... the only departments not cut were sales F and accounting. When I asked the CEO in the hallway how he expected to< stay in business, he told me I don't have "the big picture".  B Clearly not. I'm still working for the same group (since spun off,4 thank $diety), they're a subsidiary of a competitor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:56:27 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: Sony vs HP: a comparison of CEO oustings 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada050311085653287192@mail.gmail.com>   L On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:27:11 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > Lurker at Large wrote:O > >       I think I understand where they came from originally.  Companies were R > > embarrassed when they had to fire anyone in upper management so they paid them- > > handsomely to quietly sneak out the door.  > I > Some of the reasoning for 'golden parachutes' is similar to the 'poison A > pill' schemes to prevent hostile takeover of a company.  If you J > institute special circumstances that make a takeover costly enough, then$ > perhaps the takeover won't happen.  > OK, I understand the *historical* reasons. But with the modernF mega-merger, a few million here or there really don't add up to enough? to be a viable disincentive to a hostile takeover, and  handing B someone more than their annual salary to go away after screwing upE never did make any sense to me- especially when I could probably live 9 comfortably for the rest of my life on Carly's parachute.   A Several years ago, a CEO of a company I worked for (and the CEO's ? office had a revolving door) told us we were going broke- so to A motivate us, they were giving away trips (all expenses, including E salary so it didn't use your vacation time) in what effectively was a E popularity contest. I doubt that that little program cost more than a @ tenth of a percent of gross income. Of course, at the same time,D anyone not actively involved in getting current product out the doorD was laid off- and that includes engineers, product managers, testingE and documentation services... the only departments not cut were sales F and accounting. When I asked the CEO in the hallway how he expected to< stay in business, he told me I don't have "the big picture".  B Clearly not. I'm still working for the same group (since spun off,4 thank $diety), they're a subsidiary of a competitor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:10:29 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions 0 Message-ID: <1132ggn4p2vi3ce@corp.supernews.com>   w_tom wrote:. > APC - like Monster Cable -  is not a serious> > manufacturer of transient protection.  Why do you think they@ > never mention earthing?  They fear you might learn :  no earth' > ground means no effective protection.    Ok, a related question.   H Protection can be looked at from several perspectives.  Most of the APC D stuff comes with a lifetime (whatever that is) guarantee of various H large amounts of replacement costs if equipment is damaged.  I've often C wondered how hard it would be to actually make a claim for damaged  
 equipment.   Anybody have any experiences?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:01:00 -0500   From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions + Message-ID: <4231968B.16941653@hotmail.com>   7   I assume the question is about a protector's big buck 9 warranty.  Read it carefully.  For example, if also using = products from any other manufacturer, then APC need not honor 4 your claim.  The warranty is so  chock full of these8 exemptions that, well, read what others learned the hard= way:   W D Loughman  on 11 May 2001   in    comp.os.os2.misc   entitled   "UPS advice" B > Don't take too seriously the implied protection of your monetaryA > investment when APC says: "...UPS comes with a $25,000 lifetime " > hardware replacement guarantee."? > Described in this newsgroup late last year, their UPS failure > > caused me to spend c. $1200 on replacement equipment.  After< > their own investigation of the damagING unit, they did notB > dispute the UPS failure.  However, they reimbursed me only $200,B > no arguments accepted, with a required waiver = "Sign this now",? > or get nothing. They use a sort of "Blue Book" for computers, A > and paid only the values listed therein.  NOT replacement cost. > > Cover your financial losses some other way, 'cause they sure > won't.  Buyer beware!   7   In surge protectors, a larger warranty means a lesser ; product.  Benchmark in protectors is Polyphaser.  Those who > only know protectors from retail shelves have never learned of7 other 'real world' protectors.  How big is a Polyphaser 3 warranty?  $0.  Polyphaser is the superior product.   >   Again, note the trend.  Real protectors discuss earthing and= do not provide silly warranties.  But of course.  Because the 9 effectiveness of a protector is defined by the quality of ; earth ground - both the earthing system and how connections 8 are made to that earthing system.  All protectors - even; Polyphaser - are useless without an effective earth ground.   >   It always comes right back to THE most critical component in> a surge protection 'system'.  Single point earth ground.  Some; protection 'systems' don't even require a "protector".  But = all protection 'systems' require "earth ground".  So critical ; is earthing that one Polyphaser protector has no connection > between protector and earth ground.  They mount that protector; directly ON earth ground - 0 foot connection.  An effective = protector has a $0 warranty and a 0 foot earthing connection.   ;    No earth ground - such as a plug-in protector - means no = effective protection.  They fear you would discuss earthing.  ; Better to hype a big buck warranty that will not be honored ; and that does not define effective protection.  IOW confuse = the issue with big dollar signs.  They hype the wrong numbers 9 (big buck warranty), ignore the exemptions, and forget to * mention what makes an effective protector.   Dave Froble wrote: > Ok, a related question.  > I > Protection can be looked at from several perspectives.  Most of the APC E > stuff comes with a lifetime (whatever that is) guarantee of various I > large amounts of replacement costs if equipment is damaged.  I've often D > wondered how hard it would be to actually make a claim for damaged > equipment. >  > Anybody have any experiences?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:44:14 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions , Message-ID: <g8CdnRAQ8YNbM6zfRVn-3g@igs.net>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:5 > First, my goal is to preserve my hardware via power 0 > conditioning, not to avoid power interruption. > / > Walmart is selling APC BackUPS Pro 1100VA/670 1 > watt at $124.63.  I think this might be a cheap / > way to get power conditioning for my systems.  > 
 > We have: >  > 2 Alpha Station 400/233s	 > 2 DS10s  > 1 AlphaServer 800 5/333  > 1 DecPC AXP 150 in storage > . > These systems control hardware that does not/ > have a battery backup, so uninterrupted power 8 > is of no value to me.  Also, the software applications3 > are all designed (and tested) to not get hosed up  > when you pull the plug.  > 2 > The back panel wattage rating the AS 400s is 7001 > watts, but my hardware guy thinks thats the max / > rating of the power supply and that they pull + > at good bit less than 700.  I plan to buy 1 > one UPS first and experiment with it.  I should + > work on the newer DS10s that have a lower , > wattage rating even if it has a problem on	 > others.  > * > I think this UPS will cut out short term+ > power gliches.  For a longer glitch after + > working hours, I can still lose power off 0 > the line with these systems running but I hope  > the UPS will drop out cleanly. > 0 > Are there better approaches to providing power > conditioning?  > 2 > Are their some othe manufacturers or models that1 > I should consider.  I will need to list similar:5 > items from other manufacturers in my justification.r >t& > Thanks for any help you can provide.     Start here as an example:eL http://www.eatonelectrical.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=C-H/Common/A= ssetTemplateLink&c=Apubarticles&cid=986495734777&Sec=products   G Nearly all electrical major electrical distribution panel manufacturersVG offer something of use...Square D, Siemens, etc....  and there are also ( specialty manufactures in this game too.  K I don't know whether you are working with a residential panel or commercialEH panel at your location, but assuming a residential panel for the moment,J install something like the above in the distribution panel first, and thenK make sure that the UPS you purchase is an 'always on' pure sine wave model. B You may even wish to stick a line conditionor in ahead of the UPS.  L Make sure all your external telecom connections are brought back to a commonL ground with the electrical system and that there are no breaks in the groundJ continuity to earth - in homes there are often bits of plastic pipe found,J as a result of renovations, between where you install the ground strap andJ the actual earth point. If you have a copper water main into the house andJ locale electrical code allows grounding to that pipe, make sure the groundF point is the first connection on the pipe - before any shutoff valves, meters, etc....o   --  . HP - Where Integrity means "No EV8 for You!!!"F OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.  D I could have had an EV8 but all I got was this lousy Itanic instead.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:16:31 -0500d' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>d, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control0 Message-ID: <1132grvpgvdvs6b@corp.supernews.com>   Martin Hunt wrote:H > We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they haveH > a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print > file carriage control".   F Assuming this is on ongoing process, you might consider modifying the 4 Cobol program to create the file in a usable format.  H But if you don't have source code, as JF posted, CONVERT should be able ? to do what you want, using FDL files to define the output file.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:37:18 -0500i From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage controlQ Message-ID: <OF3A2A26D7.2269361F-ON85256FC1.005560D4-85256FC1.00562A76@metso.com>m  D Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> wrote on 03/10/2005 10:20:33 PM:   >eH > We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they haveH > a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print > file carriage control". E > We want to ftp these files to a non-VMS system, and print them from F > there. The VFC part, including carriage control, lines to skip, etc,9 > gets stripped off, so the files do not print correctly.t >fC > Is there a utility available, to convert these files to somethingn: > (e.g., Stream) which can be safely ftp'ed to the server? >bH > I have already experimented with using an TCP/IP LPD print queue to doF > the conversion, which I could probably use if necessary, but it is a > lilttle messy. >   F I have a BASIC program to do this that I got from the CSC (via DSNLINK IIRC),= and it has the VFC decode in it.  Let me know if you want it.G  H I do not think convert will do what you want and preserve the formating.H There is also a very old article on how to do this with both convert and TPU, a program seems best.:  H There is or was a COBOL version also, but I think there is now a problem withJ that.  I can send you that article/program, but I do not know if it works.  D There is also a /NOVFC switch in COBOL if you are able to modify the sources:   COBOLl     /VFC      /VFC    (D)	    /NOVFC   @    Generates VFC record format for the following types of files:          . LINAGEl        . REPORT WRITER        . APPLY PRINT-CONTROL        . WRITE ADVANCING,        . ORGANIZATION SEQUENTIAL with GLOBAL.        . ORGANIZATION SEQUENTIAL with EXTERNAL  I    If you specify /NOVFC, these output files are generated with Stream_LFM    record format.e     > ---n
 > Martin Hunts > Systems Administrator9 > Fairfax New Zealand Limiteds > Wellington
 > New Zealandt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:41:23 +0100d& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control, Message-ID: <39dsgiF5vcnsrU1@individual.net>   Martin Hunt wrote:  H > We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they haveH > a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print > file carriage control".yE > We want to ftp these files to a non-VMS system, and print them fromeF > there. The VFC part, including carriage control, lines to skip, etc,9 > gets stripped off, so the files do not print correctly.  > C > Is there a utility available, to convert these files to somethingu: > (e.g., Stream) which can be safely ftp'ed to the server? > H > I have already experimented with using an TCP/IP LPD print queue to doF > the conversion, which I could probably use if necessary, but it is a > lilttle messy. >   ? If you can recompile from source, try COBOL/NOVFC as an option.n  3 Also, here's a BASIC program to convert such files:r  " http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/   Then query on:  ; Converting VFC-formatted Files To Sequential Variable Files    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 08:11:40 -0800  From: "JLR" <jl.rayon@gmail.com>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage controlC Message-ID: <1110557500.087347.325230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>o  F We use the folowing command file (called VFCVAR.COM where <ESC> is theD escape character) to convert VFC files to variable files before send& them by FTP to other operating system:   $edit /teco 'P1' EXIT<ESC><ESC> $exit    Example: $DIR/FUL EXEMPLE.LIS   Directory DSQ4:[OPER]o  5 EXEMPLE.LIS;1                 File ID:  (36627,268,0)l. Size:          281/288        Owner:    [10,0] . . .t File organization:  Sequential . . .wF Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 132 bytes, longest 132 bytes / Record attributes:  Print file carriage controle ...s   $@VFCVAR EXEMPLE.LIS  6 EXEMPLE.LIS;2                 File ID:  (34298,1976,0). Size:          277/288        Owner:    [10,0] . . .2 File organization:  Sequential . . .aG Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 134 bytesa4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control . . .o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:29:15 -05000 From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage controlQ Message-ID: <OFDCAD90D4.7DEB41C9-ON85256FC1.006552EB-85256FC1.0065E8EB@metso.com>t  A Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote on 03/11/2005 10:41:23 AM:n   > Martin Hunt wrote: >lJ > > We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they haveJ > > a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print > > file carriage control".cG > > We want to ftp these files to a non-VMS system, and print them fromaH > > there. The VFC part, including carriage control, lines to skip, etc,; > > gets stripped off, so the files do not print correctly.R > >sE > > Is there a utility available, to convert these files to something < > > (e.g., Stream) which can be safely ftp'ed to the server? > >FJ > > I have already experimented with using an TCP/IP LPD print queue to doH > > the conversion, which I could probably use if necessary, but it is a > > lilttle messy. > >g >>A > If you can recompile from source, try COBOL/NOVFC as an option.i >a5 > Also, here's a BASIC program to convert such files:i >/$ > http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/ >v > Then query on: >k= > Converting VFC-formatted Files To Sequential Variable FilesP >h  C This yields both a BASIC example and a COBOL example, both somewhat 0 dated in the versions on which they were tested.  6 Can anyone confirm that the COBOL one works on V7.2*?, V7.3*? and is COBOL there yet on V8.2?y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:36:50 -0500r From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage controlQ Message-ID: <OFEFADA7BF.F7768B35-ON85256FC1.0065A2B2-85256FC1.00669AA0@metso.com>   > I notice that your output is SEQ,VAR,with CR carriage control.  9 Does TECO preserve formfeeds or use some other algorithm?k0 Does it understand all the possibilities in VFC?    ; "JLR" <jl.rayon@gmail.com> wrote on 03/11/2005 11:11:40 AM:-  H > We use the folowing command file (called VFCVAR.COM where <ESC> is theF > escape character) to convert VFC files to variable files before send( > them by FTP to other operating system: >l > $edit /teco 'P1' > EXIT<ESC><ESC> > $exitn >s
 > Example: > $DIR/FUL EXEMPLE.LIS >c > Directory DSQ4:[OPER]  > 7 > EXEMPLE.LIS;1                 File ID:  (36627,268,0)c0 > Size:          281/288        Owner:    [10,0] > . . .a  > File organization:  Sequential > . . .rH > Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 132 bytes, longest 132 > bytest1 > Record attributes:  Print file carriage controld > ...t >g > $@VFCVAR EXEMPLE.LIS >e8 > EXEMPLE.LIS;2                 File ID:  (34298,1976,0)0 > Size:          277/288        Owner:    [10,0] > . . .   > File organization:  Sequential > . . . I > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 134 bytes 6 > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > . . .  >p   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.140 ************************