1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 141       Contents: Re: Audio on openVMS 8.2 Alpha Re: Audio on openVMS 8.2 Alpha4 CDRECORD (et al.) v. VMS version: How many, how old?% cURL 7.13.1 for VMS has been released < Fortran 77 vs. Fortran [90] and /ALIGN=MULTILANGUAGE problem- RE: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question  Re: History of the VMS shark% RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEO , Re: I think my copy of VMS must be defective- Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message - Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message 1 Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB? 5 RE: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB? 5 Re: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB? & Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: Poulson+ OT: espionage , data security and bankrupcy  Telephony systems on VMS Re: Telephony systems on VMS Re: Telephony systems on VMS Re: Telephony systems on VMSF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseB Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseB Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseB Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseP Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please pleaseple$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions# Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 17:03:28 -0800/ From: "Keith Lewis" <spud_g00@thundermaker.net> ' Subject: Re: Audio on openVMS 8.2 Alpha B Message-ID: <1110589408.191517.73530@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  G As a matter of fact the upgrade did replace SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT with an B empty one.  But then restoring the good one and re-installing MMOV didn't fix the problem.   F I got e-mail from HP saying there's a MMOV update coming, so I'll wait	 for that.   G Traditional CD audio uses an analog connection from the CD drive to the E sound card.  But I don't see any options for output source on the PWS D ESS device under MMOV$AUDIOCONTROL, so maybe the only way is through	 software.    Have you tried XMCD?' http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html#XMCD    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:46:22 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)' Subject: Re: Audio on openVMS 8.2 Alpha 2 Message-ID: <05031120462287_27800279@antinode.org>  / From: "Keith Lewis" <spud_g00@thundermaker.net>   H > I got e-mail from HP saying there's a MMOV update coming, so I'll wait > for that.        Hope is better than hopeless.  I > Traditional CD audio uses an analog connection from the CD drive to the G > sound card.  But I don't see any options for output source on the PWS F > ESS device under MMOV$AUDIOCONTROL, so maybe the only way is through > software.   G    It's nice that there's a connector for it on the main board, though.    > Have you tried XMCD?) > http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html#XMCD   A    Not until now.  It looks nice, and seems to play the CD nicely G (track/time moves, and there's music at the front-panel earphone jack), = but I get no speaker sound.  The audio does work properly for * SYS$SYSTEM:MMOV$ALPHAVCR.EXE, however, andE SYS$SYSTEM:MMOV$AUDIOCONTROL.EXE does control the volume.  Any ideas?    ALP2 $ show device /full au   N Disk AUA0:, device type ESS1888 AudioDrive, is online, record-oriented device,     carriage control.   O     Error count                    0    Operations completed             250325 O     Owner process      "MMOV$SERVER"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        2800042B    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                2    Default buffer size                   0   E    The CD-ROM drive on the PWS is a "PLEXTOR CD-ROM PX-40TW".  (I got D that one at the junk store because of the wide SCSI connector, which blends in better on the PWS.)   H    On the other hand, on my AlpSta 200 4/233, the NEC drive seems not toD cooperate.  Play gives earphone-jack sound, but it generates lots of( these complaints (and no speaker sound):  $ CD audio: SCSI command fault on CD1: Opcode=0x42 Status=0x2  >    0x42 = SCSI_SUBCHANNEL (Read Subchannel)?  Is that an audio4 extraction thing?  As in, the drive doesn't do that?  =    The program gets the title right, though.  Could be worse.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:17:21 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)= Subject: CDRECORD (et al.) v. VMS version: How many, how old? 2 Message-ID: <05031123172132_27800279@antinode.org>  F    Early inspection of CDRTOOLS 2.0 (which includes CDRECORD, MKISOFS,F and friends) suggests that it won't be easy on VMS (or C RTL) versionsA before V7.x.  (DEC C V4.0 on VMS V5.5-2 looks hard.  I don't have D anything running VMS V6.x these days, but it might be better there.)  H    1.  How many people actually care about this software on VMS versions    before V7.x?   H    2.  What's the oldest VMS environment where anyone runs CDRECORD 1.x?  B    3.  How many people would be upset (or even annoyed) by a build$    system which requires MMS or MMK?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 12:35:54 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt). Subject: cURL 7.13.1 for VMS has been released3 Message-ID: <F7UbmY8ZOqPY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   A The latest version of cURL, 7.13.1, for OpenVMS has been released  and is available for download.  5 The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html#VMS   > This is the binary and object library distribution of the cURL> 7.13.1 release.  See the readme.vms file in the zip for usage A information.  The zip files contain executables and objects built > with OpenSSL, hpSSL and without SSL support.  The files are in architecture specific zips.   A The OpenSSL and noSSL versions are self-contained in that you can A run these programs without any other software on the system.  For A the hp SSL version, you will need to have hp's SSL V1.1-B product @ installed.  This version doesn't support hp's SSL on IA64, since( the machine I compile on didn't have it.  C  HW Type  VMS Version    Compiler Vers   SSL Library      Filenames D --------+--------------+---------------+----------------+-----------D  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7e | .*_opensslB  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.5-001 | hpSSL 1.1-B    | .*_hpsslB  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.5-001 | No SSL support | .*_nosslD  IA64   | OpenVMS 8.2  | HP C S7.1-012 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_opensslB  IA64   | OpenVMS 8.2  | HP C S7.1-012 | No SSL support | .*_nosslD  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.4-005 | OpenSSL 0.9.7e | .*_opensslB  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.4-005 | hpSSL 1.1-B    | .*_hpsslB  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.4-005 | No SSL support | .*_nossl  H For those who don't know what cURL is, here is the blurb from their main page...   ;     Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with :     URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER,4     TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Curl supports HTTPS5     certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, 7     kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, <     user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http9     proxy tunneling and a busload of other useful tricks.   C I haven't tested all the features, since I only use the library for F HTTP(S) stuff via C programs.  It does compile and link cleanly on all the platforms outlined above.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:46:30 -0500 , From: "Eric F. Milkie" <eam23@beethoven.com>E Subject: Fortran 77 vs. Fortran [90] and /ALIGN=MULTILANGUAGE problem : Message-ID: <pan.2005.03.12.03.46.25.958005@beethoven.com>   Hello,  A I'm having some difficulty porting some Fortran 77 code (compiled C /OLD_F77) to use the HP Fortran compiler.  Presented here is a test  case illustrating the problem.   My Fortran versions are:8 Compaq Fortran 77 X5.5-197-48C8L on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 Compaq Fortran V7.5-2630-48C8L     Sample program TEST.FOR:       program test         integer*4 int1         integer*4 int2         integer*4 int3         integer*4 int42         common /test_block/ int1, int2, int3, int4% !dec$ psect /test_block/     align=13 	       end     & When I compile this program like this:  4 $ fortran /old/list test.for /align=common=multilang  ; .. the program sections in the listing file appear as such:  PROGRAM SECTIONS  ;     Name                                 Bytes   Attributes   c   1 $CODE$                                  68   PIC CON REL LCL   SHR   EXE NORD NOWRT NOSEC OCTA  b   2 $LINK$                                  56 NOPIC CON REL LCL NOSHR NOEXE   RD NOWRT NOSEC OCTAa   3 TEST_BLOCK                              16 NOPIC OVR REL GBL NOSHR NOEXE   RD   WRT NOSEC *8K   .     Total Space Allocated                  140      But when I compile it like this:  0 $ fortran /list test.for /align=common=multilang   ... the psects look like this: PROGRAM SECTIONS  ;     Name                                 Bytes   Attributes   \   1 $CODE$                                  68   PIC CON REL LCL   SHR   EXE NORD NOWRT OCTA\   2 $LINK$                                  56 NOPIC CON REL LCL NOSHR NOEXE   RD NOWRT OCTA[   3 TEST_BLOCK                            8192 NOPIC OVR REL GBL NOSHR NOEXE   RD   WRT *8K   .     Total Space Allocated                 8316    b This new behavior of padding to fill the entire aligned psect is causing me linking trouble, sinced the psect is now longer than other programs' compiled with F77 with the same COMMON block.  But if Ii turn off MULTILANGUAGE, it will link with F77 but not with C object code, since that's the whole point of f using MULTILANGUAGE.  How do I fix this?  Is this a bug or did I just not scour the manuals thoroughlyL enough? I still want the linker to align TEST_BLOCK psect on an 8k boundary.   -Eric    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:08:47 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 6 Subject: RE: Hey Kerry - server consolidation questionR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F55@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: March 11, 2005 1:09 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question >=20 > Kerry, >=20> > Recently you have been saying that then big action in the=20 > marketplace is > server consolidation.  >=20H > Are you talking, based on your own efforts at customer site, that this > server consolidation is: >=20H > a) from a myriad of Windows servers to a smaller, manageable number of > Windows-based servers, > orH > b) from a myriad of Windows servers to a smaller, manageable number of > VMS-based servers? >=20 > --F > OpenVMS  - The often imitated but never advertised operating system. >=20   John,   G While it is likely obvious what platform I prefer and think is the best E overall, when dealing with Cust's, I deal with all platforms from all F vendors. Last Cust  I was engaged with had had 6800 servers in their 4D main datacenters. They had all sorts of platforms from old Solaris 2E servers to Mainframes (and mainframe Linux was something the Cust was 8 interested in). Even had 1 or 2 Windows NT 3.51 servers.  E "Like to like" platforms is by far the easiest consolidation solution B e.g. many small [insert platform] to fewer but larger [insert sameG platform] systems. However, I have to admit that rightfully or wrongly, E many Solaris Cust's are following Oracles advice and moving to Linux. D Course, adding Oracle RAC costs to compensate for lack of larger SMPH boxes simply means moving more $'s to Oracle vs the platform vendor, but: of course, not many folks are looking at things like this.  D When I talk to Customers, I usually recommend "like to like" becauseG moving from one platform of any type to another is exponentially higher D risk and cost. Inevitably, the migration is justified by leaving outE some portions of cost and/or risk, which, if included, would kill the  business case for moving.=20  F Note - This is not to say that moving from one platform to another forE the right reasons (e.g. not wanting to deal with viruses and constant C leaky security) is not justified, but just make sure you do all the  right homework.   F Ironically, Microsoft is getting hurt by Linux / Open Source promotersE for the same reason Windows initially became popular i.e. its cheaper ? and "good enough" to do the job. Of course, the risks, testing, C operational challenges, additional ISV pkgs required to bring OS to E production levels, training, staff transition costs (if laying off to H get new staff familiar with new environment - especially Europe) are all4 left for someone else in the company to worry about.   Sound familiar?    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 2005 21:04:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark , Message-ID: <39eff5F607inmU2@individual.net>  ; In article <1BjYd.34274$JH1.1567253@news20.bellglobal.com>, , 	"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > 1 > "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message  ' > news:d0q3nj$g1c$1@panix5.panix.com...  >> > [...snip...] >>! >> Here's a VAX shark for ya'....  >>' >> http://www.panix.com/~adykes/vax.jpg  >>G >> It's a scan of a DECUS button I have from the year DEC killed the 36 G >> bit product line ("LCG" for you kids.)  At the time I had several of I >> the largest 36 bit machines DEC made and wasn't happy.  Not that I had F >> anything against VMS, but the at the largest 32 bit machine was the& >> 780 and they tiny for our workload. >>C >> The sailboat was the logo for lots of 36-bit related activities.  >>" >> a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m >> > / > Is there any meaning to the upside-down flag?  >   > A national flag flying upside down was (is?) an inteernational$ distress signal like SOS and Mayday.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:52:44 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEOR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F41@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20  > Sent: March 11, 2005 11:01 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO >=20 > Brad Hamilton wrote:@ > > That article is now more than two years old - where's the=20 > death?        :-)  > >=20D > > David is (I think) speaking of a vendor whose product used to beJ > > available exclusively on VMS, but is now available on AIX, as well.=20 >=20> > We, as VMS supporters, cannot use AIX' future as argument=20 > because VMS isG > exactly in the same shoe, except that AIX is onwed and supported by a  > reputable vendor, VMS isn't. >=20A > The big difference is that with the backing of IBM, when AIX=20 
 > is retired, F > you can bet your bottom that your strategic applications will run onH > Linux and IBM will be there to help you and IBM will come thorugh withH > the port of any AIX specific features to Linux. (something wich HP hasB > now failed and can n longer be trusted, after its decision to=20 > canecl the" > porting of Trucluster to HP-UX).  E For things on Linux that require kernel changes, IBM can only request F features. Linus (and associates) are the only ones who decide what and" *when* kernel changes get done.=20   >=20. > AIX has a long term path: Linux on Power.=20  F So why should a Customer move all their stuff from OpenVMS (especiallyD if they are active-active clustering) to an active-passive fail-overB environment on AIX and then move *again* (with all of the porting, testing etc) to Linux?  F If this is the direction the Customer wants to go, why not go directly to Linux on Power?  B > VMS doesn't have a clear future. The OS may have a roadmap of=20 > a year or G > two, but nobody trusts the vendor's promises on the platform's future D > (or lack thereof), and everyone knows that the vendor isn't really; > working hard to protect and grow the real applications=20  > available on VMS.  >=20  D I have no doubt AIX will be supported for a long time, but since youE mentioned the roadmap, show me where you can publicly get a long term B roadmap for AIX futures on the IBM web site. This is not a jab - IB really would like to see what they are publicly announcing for AIX2 futures - and how many years out the roadmap goes.    @ > And for what it's worth, HP-UX is in a worse boat than AIX.=20 > At least AIX> > users can migrate to Linux on Power with same endiannes. =20 > HP-UX users onB > Pa-Risc will have to migrate to either Power, Sparc or 8086 with > different endianness.  >=20 >=20? > Remember that Intel has now admitted that IA64's niche has=20  > been furtherB > reduced to just the very high end (the Cray of the 1980s) and=20 > that just - > isn't ve relevant to common business needs.   D So, are you saying business requirements no longer include RISC i.e.2 server systems - the target market for Itanium?=20  F And deliberately changing what Intel says to map to your own agenda isD not helpful. While you may not agree with them, Intel directions are summarized in the following:  > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5593047.html (Feb 28, 2005)) Intel to spotlight new Itanium: 'Poulson'   	 [snip...]   A "But for all the difficulties, Intel isn't throwing in the towel.   H One major change will come with the Tukwila generation of chips. At thatD point, for the first time, Xeon and Itanium chips will have the sameE electronic interface, making it easier to design servers that support C either processor. And Intel promises that in 2007, Itanium and Xeon < systems will cost the same, but Itaniums will have twice the
 performance."    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 2005 21:00:53 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon). Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO, Message-ID: <39ef85F607inmU1@individual.net>  R In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F41@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >> -----Original Message----- : >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20  >> Sent: March 11, 2005 11:01 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 >> Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO  >>=20  >> Brad Hamilton wrote: A >> > That article is now more than two years old - where's the=20  >> death?        :-) >> >=20 E >> > David is (I think) speaking of a vendor whose product used to be K >> > available exclusively on VMS, but is now available on AIX, as well.=20  >>=20 ? >> We, as VMS supporters, cannot use AIX' future as argument=20  >> because VMS is H >> exactly in the same shoe, except that AIX is onwed and supported by a >> reputable vendor, VMS isn't.  >>=20 B >> The big difference is that with the backing of IBM, when AIX=20 >> is retired,G >> you can bet your bottom that your strategic applications will run on I >> Linux and IBM will be there to help you and IBM will come thorugh with I >> the port of any AIX specific features to Linux. (something wich HP has C >> now failed and can n longer be trusted, after its decision to=20 
 >> canecl the # >> porting of Trucluster to HP-UX).  > G > For things on Linux that require kernel changes, IBM can only request H > features. Linus (and associates) are the only ones who decide what and$ > *when* kernel changes get done.=20  G Actually, that's not true.  There is nothing stopping IBM from spawning C their own distribution with their own series of kernels.  The only  C requiremetn of the Gnu Public Virus is that they make anuy of their D own modifications publicly available. It would be interesting to seeE how long it would take, in such an event, before IBM's kernel was the  defacto standard.   ? Of course, I still can't imagine why they (or any business) use > Linux at all instead of one of the available BSD's with a much! more commercial friendly license.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:27:11 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO0 Message-ID: <113467igedhkm3d@corp.supernews.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----7 >>From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]   >>Sent: March 11, 2005 11:01 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 >>Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO >> >>Brad Hamilton wrote: >>= >>>That article is now more than two years old - where's the   >> >>death?        :-)  >>C >>>David is (I think) speaking of a vendor whose product used to be G >>>available exclusively on VMS, but is now available on AIX, as well.   >>< >>We, as VMS supporters, cannot use AIX' future as argument  >>because VMS isG >>exactly in the same shoe, except that AIX is onwed and supported by a  >>reputable vendor, VMS isn't. >>? >>The big difference is that with the backing of IBM, when AIX  
 >>is retired, F >>you can bet your bottom that your strategic applications will run onH >>Linux and IBM will be there to help you and IBM will come thorugh withH >>the port of any AIX specific features to Linux. (something wich HP has@ >>now failed and can n longer be trusted, after its decision to  >>canecl the" >>porting of Trucluster to HP-UX). >  > G > For things on Linux that require kernel changes, IBM can only request H > features. Linus (and associates) are the only ones who decide what and" > *when* kernel changes get done.   E Support for Linux by IBM isn't a trivial thing.  If IBM really needs  G something, and can justify it, I think that there will be ears willing  K to listen.  Hey, if it's not a 2-way street, then it's a street to nowhere.   , >>AIX has a long term path: Linux on Power.  >  > H > So why should a Customer move all their stuff from OpenVMS (especiallyF > if they are active-active clustering) to an active-passive fail-overD > environment on AIX and then move *again* (with all of the porting, > testing etc) to Linux? > H > If this is the direction the Customer wants to go, why not go directly > to Linux on Power?  E Moving without strong reasons is just plain stupid.  That said, I've  I seen such moves in the past that weren't in the interest of the company,  D but in the interest of the employees, who were able to convince the G company to go along.  There has been more than one instance of someone  < claiming that VMS wasn't good for their career.  It happens.  @ >>VMS doesn't have a clear future. The OS may have a roadmap of  >>a year or G >>two, but nobody trusts the vendor's promises on the platform's future D >>(or lack thereof), and everyone knows that the vendor isn't really9 >>working hard to protect and grow the real applications   >>available on VMS.  >> >  > F > I have no doubt AIX will be supported for a long time, but since youG > mentioned the roadmap, show me where you can publicly get a long term D > roadmap for AIX futures on the IBM web site. This is not a jab - ID > really would like to see what they are publicly announcing for AIX4 > futures - and how many years out the roadmap goes.  H Good shot Kerry.  Everyone makes much over the VMS roadmap, but VMS may G have one of the most extensive roadmaps.  Only problem is it's hidden.  E Yeah, I know it's available on the web site, but that's only good if  8 someone knows to go to the web site.  Back to marketing.  > >>And for what it's worth, HP-UX is in a worse boat than AIX.  >>At least AIX< >>users can migrate to Linux on Power with same endiannes.   >>HP-UX users onB >>Pa-Risc will have to migrate to either Power, Sparc or 8086 with >>different endianness.  >> >>= >>Remember that Intel has now admitted that IA64's niche has   >>been further@ >>reduced to just the very high end (the Cray of the 1980s) and  >>that just - >>isn't ve relevant to common business needs.  >  > F > So, are you saying business requirements no longer include RISC i.e.2 > server systems - the target market for Itanium?  > H > And deliberately changing what Intel says to map to your own agenda isF > not helpful. While you may not agree with them, Intel directions are > summarized in the following: > @ > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5593047.html (Feb 28, 2005)+ > Intel to spotlight new Itanium: 'Poulson'  >  > [snip...]  > C > "But for all the difficulties, Intel isn't throwing in the towel.  > J > One major change will come with the Tukwila generation of chips. At thatF > point, for the first time, Xeon and Itanium chips will have the sameG > electronic interface, making it easier to design servers that support E > either processor. And Intel promises that in 2007, Itanium and Xeon > > systems will cost the same, but Itaniums will have twice the > performance."   H If itanic actually earns such a performance gap, then that will be good G for those depending upon itanic.  However, Intel cannot try to provide  H the gap by holding IA-32/x86 back.  They already got their ass's kicked 0 by AMD once, they won't make that mistake again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:22:47 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEOR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F5A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20  > Sent: March 11, 2005 5:27 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO >=20  
 [snip ...]  A > > If this is the direction the Customer wants to go, why not=20 
 > go directly  > > to Linux on Power? >=20I > Moving without strong reasons is just plain stupid.  That said, I've=20 @ > seen such moves in the past that weren't in the interest of=20 > the company,=20 H > but in the interest of the employees, who were able to convince the=20@ > company to go along.  There has been more than one instance=20 > of someone=20 > > claiming that VMS wasn't good for their career.  It happens. >=20  A Yep, especially when staff includes strong contingent of external G consultants who are very product focussed.  Recently seen example where G a new application requirements came out with "must support Oracle 10G". H Not must have [insert latest industry SQL stds, transaction levels, mgmtE capabilities etc.], but very specific product reference. And this was E for environment with no previous production implementation of Oracle.   C Of course, those consultants on staff were primarily private Oracle B consulting backgrounds who wanted the latest and greatest on their resumes.   [snip..]   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:50:39 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> 5 Subject: Re: I think my copy of VMS must be defective 0 Message-ID: <1134ektt50cq45d@news.supernews.com>  $ Now where can I get a copy of this ?   ;0)    d    --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com     0 "Tom Crabtree" <spam@sucks.com> wrote in message) news:DqSdnYCXudPzVKzfRVn-iQ@sunset.net...  >  > > G > > At the same time?  Now that's impressive.  Try doing that with your  Winders  > > system.  > > J > Not impressive at all.  VMS has *ALWAYS* been capable of "Multi-Tasking"	 > *smirk*  >  > T  >    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 05 19:57:39 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA message! Message-ID: <X8TzT+fAYYbX@wvnvms>   s In article <1110503277.23efb9551eded4bf1067cf3fb5045fa6@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:  > George Cook wrote: > C >> The errors are caused by the one animated GIF.  I duplicated the E >> errors on a 3100/SPX.  As soon as I stop the animation, the errors I >> stop.  Its a non-transparent 70 by 263 GIF with a transparent animated  >> 60 by 260 section.    > C > Oh ! interesting. I had not noticed anything moving on that page. $ > Perhaps this is what was broken... > @ > I just tried on the mac, and I now see the flashing red light. > G > In the case of an animated gif, isn't it just a case of overwriting a I > bitmap with another ? Or do redraw a new bitmap over the previous one ? J > (and then discard the previous one) ? Is that the clipping that occurs ?  F Clipping is where a clip mask (a pixmap created from a bitmap) is usedI to place part of one drawable (a pixmap or window) into another drawable. E A clipping bitmap is the set of transparency values (0 or 1) for each  pixel in an image.  D In the simplest case (a non-transparent GIF with all images having aH zero disposal value), animating a GIF requires nothing more than placingG each image (pixmap) in sequence on the same place in a window (a simple D copy sequence with no clipping).  It gets a great deal more complex,D however, if the GIF is transparent with non-zero disposal values andB the window has a background image.  In a relatively simple case (aB transparent GIF with disposal values of 1 on an image background),A Mosaic first draws the background image into a pixmap, then clips C the first GIF image over that pixmap, then copies the pixmap to the C window.  Each succeeding GIF image (each with its own clip mask) is D then clipped into the pixmap and the pixmap is copied to the window.F If the GIF requested more than one iteration, then when the last imageD has been shown, the whole process starts over.  Disposal values of 2E add a lot of complexity.  There is the even more complex case of GIFs F with disposal values of 3 (I have never encountered one) which Mosaic  doesn't support.  E At the time NCSA added image transparency support to Mosaic, it might F have made sense for Mosaic to let X11 handle clipping, but I would notE do it today.  The alpha channel image transparency support I recently F added to Mosaic doesn't depend on X11 for anything other than creatingF and placing a pixmap in a window.  Alpha channel transparency is whereC an image includes a transparency percentage (from fully transparent C to fully opaque) value for each pixel.  It requires blending images.+ together instead of clipping them together.1     George Cooke WVNETa   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:17:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>t6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC and DECW$SCN_CLIPLIST_AREA messageB Message-ID: <1110590228.0abcc9ce71335d903a4f51100a909478@teranews>   George Cook wrote:H > Clipping is where a clip mask (a pixmap created from a bitmap) is usedK > to place part of one drawable (a pixmap or window) into another drawable.CG > A clipping bitmap is the set of transparency values (0 or 1) for eachB > pixel in an image.     Thanks for explanation.H  F I can see now. an animated transparent gif needs a different clip mask! for every frame in the animation.s   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 11:17:20 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com: Subject: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB?C Message-ID: <1110568640.231451.154890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>e  5 http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6206e  C Apparently the Mozilla group is not going to produce Mozilla 1.8 ore; later; only maintenance releases to Mozilla while (perhaps)t, concentrating on the more popular standaloneF Firefox/Thunderbird/Sunbird components.  Kind of a bummer for me sinceG I prefer Mozilla to Firefox, which seems to have been dumbed down a bite too much for the peecee folks.  B Since the VMS browser is Mozilla based, and apparently porting theG standalone components mentioned requires updates to underlying packages-G (GTK?  I can't remember what was posted), what impact will this have on G future updates and availability of a VMS browser from HP?  Is there anyeC chance that Firefox and Thunderbird (at least!) will become the newa porting sources down the road?   Rich Jordano CCSe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:34:38 -0500e' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>P> Subject: RE: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F4F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: jordan@ccs4vms.com [mailto:jordan@ccs4vms.com]=20  > Sent: March 11, 2005 2:17 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt< > Subject: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB? >=209 > http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3D6206  >=20E > Apparently the Mozilla group is not going to produce Mozilla 1.8 or = > later; only maintenance releases to Mozilla while (perhaps)t. > concentrating on the more popular standaloneH > Firefox/Thunderbird/Sunbird components.  Kind of a bummer for me sinceA > I prefer Mozilla to Firefox, which seems to have been dumbed=20B > down a bit  > too much for the peecee folks. >=20D > Since the VMS browser is Mozilla based, and apparently porting the8 > standalone components mentioned requires updates to=20 > underlying packages ? > (GTK?  I can't remember what was posted), what impact will=202 > this have onB > future updates and availability of a VMS browser from HP?  Is=20 > there anyhE > chance that Firefox and Thunderbird (at least!) will become the newL  > porting sources down the road? >=20
 > Rich Jordano > CCSy >=20  0 Rich, I get error on above url - can you verify?   Thx   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax: 613-591-4477d kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 15:59:01 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com> Subject: Re: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB?B Message-ID: <1110585541.191322.68290@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  5 http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6206d  E I just tried it again and it worked perfectly, even from IE.  Perhapss6 the site got slashdotted since it was mentioned there?   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 18:17:20 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)// Subject: Re: new Itanium after Tukwila: PoulsonD3 Message-ID: <JrcvAIeTeFR7@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ` In article <42310008.A7D8769F@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> Rq >> In article <1109987230.367785.7860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:L >> >E >> > Easy. You take a frozen version of the VMS source. Hand it to an @ >> > engineer locked in a dark room and say "show we can do it".E >> > Only after you have made the decision to go do you risk leaks byiK >> > starting to synch the projects. But if do you make a final decision toaJ >> > move forward I guess you announce it fairly quickly. I am reminded ofK >> > the (apocryphal?) mad VMS engineer who allegedly proved VMS could workeJ >> > on Itanium before the actual port. I just hope something like this is >> > happening.I >> HG >>    Almost exactly the mistake made when DEC ported VMS to Alpha, and @ >>    a large part of why VAXen got left behind on new features. > 6 > Sounds amazingly like Emerald, or even Alpha Multia. >   > 	But in fairness a number of the improvements could never makeC 	it to VAX (64-bit based, XFC, locks in S2, etc.).  Besides, as youn@ 	wind down an architecture the idea is to make it ever so slowlyC 	more painful to be on the architecture.  Not quickly - but slowly.n< 	If you blunder (like some transitions, Sun with Motorola toB 	SPARC didn't go so smooth in my opinion) , the base gets hostile.   				Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:27:11 -0500F- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: OT: espionage , data security and bankrupcyB Message-ID: <1110587194.9c9d4cff4b6e3d99b925b48d54257539@teranews>  . Today, Canada lost a low cost airline, Jetsgo.  F In its filings, it accuses Westjet of having illegally accessed its ITD systems to obtain confidential data, which enabled Westjet to targetD very precisely its attacks, reducing margins and helping in bringing Jetsgo to bankrupcy.  E While one can debate the true impact of this corporate espionnage, it-H does show just how critical it is to protect your corporate data and notH make it widely available on the web so your employees can access it fromG home. (and most definitely, put transaction alarms when one user starts F sending thouhsands of transactions each day, which is what Westjet did. once they got a username/password comination).  G Note that Westjet had also attacked Air Canada.  Both AC and Jetsgo aret suing Westjet.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:17:00 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>/! Subject: Telephony systems on VMSi< Message-ID: <01nYd.133956$qB6.64215@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>  < Does anyone know of a Call Handling system that runs on VMS?* Post here and I will contact you directly?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:51:13 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>p% Subject: Re: Telephony systems on VMSi( Message-ID: <opsnhwfnapzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:17:00 GMT, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> wrote:  > > Does anyone know of a Call Handling system that runs on VMS?, > Post here and I will contact you directly?   I think Alcatel had one.   -- .C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:19:58 -0500A- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>0% Subject: Re: Telephony systems on VMS.B Message-ID: <1110586765.378fc90af310e5614118eeac5fc21e45@teranews>   Tom Linden wrote:N > I think Alcatel had one.  G Digital also had an integrated telephony system running on VMS. (Before , Palmer got in and zapped all such products).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:28:05 +0000o& From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>% Subject: Re: Telephony systems on VMSX1 Message-ID: <120320050228057399%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   B In article <01nYd.133956$qB6.64215@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> wrote:  > > Does anyone know of a Call Handling system that runs on VMS?, > Post here and I will contact you directly?  C DEC CIT was available for VAX only. It was/is a very capable switchf independent subsystem.  G We did several quite intricate command and control systems based on DECsD CIT. One of them we look after to this day. It has been running 24*7 since late 1990.  < Most of the switches DEC CIT supports are museum pieces now.  9 There are other ways to skin that cat and still have VMS.i   -- gA I thought I would be the last on earth to mung my e-mail address.n fsnospam$elliott$$2 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:19:33 -0800r# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>TO Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please ( Message-ID: <opsnhmmvfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On 11 Mar 2005 11:19:01 -0800, <John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com> wrote:  F > My MicroVAX 3100 only has terminal connections to the outside world.I > One of these is to a PC running Windows2000. I have downloaded from thepG > Web onto the PC a number of VAX executables. These I want to transfere
 > to the VAX.eG > I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not supporteE > correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of thecD > executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully supportF > binary transfers). I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butI > need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transfer CKermitT > as a text file.  >  > Two questions/requests:t > H > 1. Is my method flawed in that the PC has 'lost' already the necessaryH > file structure information, so any VAX executable file that has passed; > via the PCs hard disk will fail to run on the VAX itself?E >CI > 2. Does anyone have a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify, or perhaps theNG > format and checksum information so that I can write a PC version.  My1A > competence at VAX Macro means I am struggling to understand ther7 > required format from the VAX assembler copies I have.: >R
 > John Martin  > * Why don't you connect them using ethernet?     -- uC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/L   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:48:10 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseR( Message-ID: <opsnhnykq7zgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On 11 Mar 2005 11:31:58 -0800, <John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com> wrote:  B > My PC network is RJ45. I do not have a hardware hookup to BNC or > ThickWire of the VAX.o >m= Buy a BNC/RJ45 Transceiver.  Last time I bought 10 yrs ago itn1 was around $15, of course, it could be more todayi     -- cC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:51:49 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>iO Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please-( Message-ID: <opsnhn4nnazgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:48:10 -0800, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  G > On 11 Mar 2005 11:31:58 -0800, <John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com>  5 > wrote: >eC >> My PC network is RJ45. I do not have a hardware hookup to BNC orh >> ThickWire of the VAX. >>? > Buy a BNC/RJ45 Transceiver.  Last time I bought 10 yrs ago itu3 > was around $15, of course, it could be more today0 >  >r. As I think about it, it may have been AUI/RJ45       -- iC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:56:52 -0500r# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleasev, Message-ID: <tuKdnfH4R62RZazfRVn-gg@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote:aE > On 11 Mar 2005 11:31:58 -0800, <John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com>t > wrote: >uC >> My PC network is RJ45. I do not have a hardware hookup to BNC ori >> ThickWire of the VAX. >>? > Buy a BNC/RJ45 Transceiver.  Last time I bought 10 yrs ago itI3 > was around $15, of course, it could be more todayt    
 or less...> http://search.ebay.com/ethernet-transceiver_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8   --D OpenVMS  - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 11:19:01 -0800( From: John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.comK Subject: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseiC Message-ID: <1110568741.425394.208480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>H  D My MicroVAX 3100 only has terminal connections to the outside world.G One of these is to a PC running Windows2000. I have downloaded from thelE Web onto the PC a number of VAX executables. These I want to transferv to the VAX.tE I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not supportkC correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of themB executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully supportD binary transfers). I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butG need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transfer CKermith as a text file.u   Two questions/requests:   F 1. Is my method flawed in that the PC has 'lost' already the necessaryF file structure information, so any VAX executable file that has passed9 via the PCs hard disk will fail to run on the VAX itself?m  G 2. Does anyone have a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify, or perhaps theiE format and checksum information so that I can write a PC version.  Myn? competence at VAX Macro means I am struggling to understand the 5 required format from the VAX assembler copies I have.h   John Martini   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 11:31:58 -0800( From: John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.comO Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaserB Message-ID: <1110569518.629952.64020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  @ My PC network is RJ45. I do not have a hardware hookup to BNC or ThickWire of the VAX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:07:50 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please0B Message-ID: <1110571649.e72600a5ea3f5b1274466e99d7e801f4@teranews>  ) John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com wrote:0G > I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not supportgE > correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of theyD > executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully support > binary transfers). .  E kermit32 should still supp0ort binaries. I downloaded plenty with thei old kermit./  > Have you tried SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the Kermit-32> prompt ?0 And did your PC also do a SET FILE TYPE BINARY ?  1 I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butlI > need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transfer CKermith > as a text file.t  F You could try to include the file in an email, have the email softwareC convert it to MIME, and then you can extract the mime text and text E transfer it, and then use the MIME utility on VMS to get it back intoe binary form.  A TCPIP Services also provides TCPIP$UUENCODE.EXE in SYS$SYSTEM, sos6 UUENCODINg might also work if the bianry doesn't work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:44:36 -0500a< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleasea, Message-ID: <39ee9nF5vj6b6U1@individual.net>  ) John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com wrote:,F > My MicroVAX 3100 only has terminal connections to the outside world.E > One of these is to a PC running Windows2000. I have downloaded from0B > the Web onto the PC a number of VAX executables. These I want to > transfer to the VAX.G > I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not support E > correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of thefD > executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully supportF > binary transfers). I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butA > need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transferc > CKermit as a text file.  >l > Two questions/requests:a >lH > 1. Is my method flawed in that the PC has 'lost' already the necessaryH > file structure information, so any VAX executable file that has passed; > via the PCs hard disk will fail to run on the VAX itself?M >sE > 2. Does anyone have a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify, or perhapsAG > the format and checksum information so that I can write a PC version.lD > My competence at VAX Macro means I am struggling to understand the7 > required format from the VAX assembler copies I have.f >u
 > John Martins  F Have you gone to ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/vmshex/ and followedG the instructions there? There are CKERMIT versions in HEX that you needhA and the KERMIT32 that you already have. I do not know why you sayeC KERMIT32 is not transferring the .EXE files correctly, what are you ' doing and what do you see when you try?0  F The FTP site should give you everything you need to transfer to a VAX.E The .EXE should still work as long as you were in BIN mode every timet you transferred the file.e   -- e Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.g Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX, www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 13:20:30 -0800) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com>eO Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please C Message-ID: <1110576029.999620.203760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>e  ) John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com wrote:'F > My MicroVAX 3100 only has terminal connections to the outside world.E > One of these is to a PC running Windows2000. I have downloaded from  thegG > Web onto the PC a number of VAX executables. These I want to transferl
 > to the VAX.rG > I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not supporteE > correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of theeD > executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully supportF > binary transfers). I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butA > need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transfer  CKermitR > as a text file.g >e > Two questions/requests:8 > > > 1. Is my method flawed in that the PC has 'lost' already the	 necessarydA > file structure information, so any VAX executable file that has  passed; > via the PCs hard disk will fail to run on the VAX itself?' >eE > 2. Does anyone have a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify, or perhapsu thenG > format and checksum information so that I can write a PC version.  MyaA > competence at VAX Macro means I am struggling to understand ther7 > required format from the VAX assembler copies I have.  >m
 > John Martino   John,u   A couple of things:nF - You MUST download the executable from the www site as an IMAGE file,. otherwise you will have problems at this stageD - You MUST upload the file from the PC to the VMS system using FIXED* (SET FILE TYPE FIXED) for the same reason.F - KERMIT-32 and C-KERMIT are compatible, except that the file transferB protocol defaults may not match. In particular, Kermit-32 does notC support sliding windows. Check all of the settings on both sides to C ensure that the protocol settings are set correctly and compatibly.   1 You SHOULD NOT need to hexify/dehexify the files.e  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 15:03:44 -0800( From: greigaln@netscape.net (Alan Greig)K Subject: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please = Message-ID: <d391276d.0503111503.68fce4d1@posting.google.com>G   JrG > kermit32 should still supp0ort binaries. I downloaded plenty with thef
 > old kermit.e > @ > Have you tried SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the Kermit-32> prompt ?2 > And did your PC also do a SET FILE TYPE BINARY ?  B Your memory is failing! That explicitly didn't work with Kermit-32F Binary mode was for PC binaries being stored on VMS. The record formatE was not suitable for a VAX executable image. From the Kermit-32 HELP.b   SETe     FILE       TYPE  =        This command will set the file type that Kermit-32 is l receiving.   AE        file  type of ASCII should be used to receive text files which> are toE        be used as text files on the VAX/VMS system.  The  file  type b BINARYA        should  be used for binary files, such as CP/M .COM files,>
 which needD        to be kept in a format that allows the file to  be  returned  withoutt        any changes.e  -                  Kermit-32>SET FILE TYPE typep  <        Where 'type' is either ASCII, BINARY, BLOCK or FIXED.  '       Additional information available:i  ,       ASCII      BINARY     BLOCK      FIXED     SETc     FILE       TYPE         FIXEDa  B          The FIXED file type will cause Kermit-32 to create a file with  fixedyD          length  records,  containing  only  the  data received from	 the other A          Kermit.  Unless specified with the SET  FILE  BLOCKSIZE r command  theF          file  will be created with 512 byte records.  This format can be usedoD          for transferring VAX/VMS .EXE files or RSX-11/M (P/OS) .TSK	 files, ortE          any other binary file which is stored in fixed length record. format.s   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 15:17:02 -0800( From: greigaln@netscape.net (Alan Greig)K Subject: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleasea= Message-ID: <d391276d.0503111517.2ed064ca@posting.google.com>o  D Just to be explicit the command is SET FILE TYPE FIXED in Kermit-32.% Binary mode (default) on the PC side.t  @ Sorry if duplicates or multiple responses appear or subject lineC screwed. Google seems to be playing up tonight and some responses Ie7 have sent by yet another route appear to have got lost.-  E Using the old Google posting interface now which seems to be working.h   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:09:52 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please pleaseplev/ Message-ID: <BE57B9A0.8F09%roktsci@comcast.net>    On 3/11/05 11:19 AM, in article66 1110568741.425394.208480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com,I "John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com" <John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com>v wrote:  F > My MicroVAX 3100 only has terminal connections to the outside world.I > One of these is to a PC running Windows2000. I have downloaded from the>G > Web onto the PC a number of VAX executables. These I want to transfer?
 > to the VAX.>G > I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not support>E > correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of the D > executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully supportF > binary transfers). I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butI > need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transfer CKermit  > as a text file.n >  > Two questions/requests:r > H > 1. Is my method flawed in that the PC has 'lost' already the necessaryH > file structure information, so any VAX executable file that has passed; > via the PCs hard disk will fail to run on the VAX itself?w > I > 2. Does anyone have a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify, or perhaps the>G > format and checksum information so that I can write a PC version.  MyiA > competence at VAX Macro means I am struggling to understand the 7 > required format from the VAX assembler copies I have.a > 
 > John Martin  > J VMSKermit and some other File transfer utilities have a file format calledJ IMAGE. Use IMAGE instead of BINARY. This will make the RMS file type FixedA length/512 byte records which is the format for executable files.a  K If you don't have an IMAGE transfer file type, you can still use binary and  then enter in the VMS command:  9 $SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE=(RFM:FIX,LRL:512) executable-file.EXEa   Jeff   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 11:06:10 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions C Message-ID: <1110567970.919727.189440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>y   w_tom,E      thanks for all the useful info.  Do you have info/opinion on theaA 'higher grade' UPS models, like the Best FERRUPS, as far as powereB conditioning and protection from 'other than surge' power problems (like brownouts)?   F      My previous employer always wanted the FERRUPS units for critical= systems (not that they always had the budget), and if I had anE commercial budget instead of a hobbyist budget (hence the APC Backups F Pro 1100) they're still what I'd look at getting (whatever the current- owner's name is; I know Best got bought out).n   Thanks again for all the info!   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2005 15:02:32 -0800' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionsuC Message-ID: <1110582152.853675.266270@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>t   w_tom wrote:= > Take a $3 power strip.  Add some $0.10 components.  Sell ite? > for a massive price increase of $15 or $50.  Then make a half @ > truth claim about surge protection.  That same circuit is also> > the protection inside the plug-in UPS.  Protection only from@ > one type of transient.  As demonstrated here, others will then9 > assume it is protection from *all* types of transients.a? > Assumption made because quoted manufacturer uses half-truths.  >k> >   Plug-in UPS does not provide effective protection.  Citing: > quote has no credibility.  It provides no numbers and no9 > science facts.   Of the five power problems - blackout,l@ > brownout, harmonics, noise, and transients - which one does it= > claim to protect from?  Missing are important facts.  Thosea4 > missing facts would expose ineffective protection. >h  G Four additional types of power problems are Power Failure, Overvoltage,v@ Sags and Frequency Variation. To address all nine types of powerG problems, there are three types of power protection: Surge Suppression,e& Power Conditioning and Battery Backup.  E You should pick the level of protection needed based on the conditionuG of the power at the outlet you need to use. If the power is conditionediC and surge protected at the service entrance and the outlet is on anmF isolated circuit, then a more simple UPS will suffice. If you're on anG upper floor of a large office building that you don't own, and you havee7 no control over the power, then your needs are greater.l  @ >   How does one identify an ineffective protector - power strip< > or UPS?  1) No dedicated connection to earth ground and 2)? > manufacturer avoids all mention of earthing.   What does thatr; > APC forget to discuss? No earth ground means no effectivem2 > protection - which applies to all plug-in UPSes. > ; >   Real world protector companies discuss earth ground ...c4 > extensively.  Why?  A surge protector is not surge; > protection.  Surge protector and surge protection are twoy: > different components of a surge protection 'system'.  An? > effective 'system' always requires surge protection.  But the-= > 'system' does not always need a surge protector.  What does 7 > the surge protector (ie inside a UPS) do?  Connects a ? > transient to surge protection. But (just like in that plug-inC? > UPS recommendation), if the surge protectors does not connecta4 > to surge protection, then no effective protection. >n6 >   Surge protection is the single point earth ground.> > Effective surge protectors (that cost about $1 per protected< > appliance) are called 'whole house' protectors.  They make8 > (and notice the important numbers) a less than 10 foot@ > connection to surge protection - earth ground.  Some effective@ > protectors are sold in Home Depot (Intermatic IG1240RC) and in  E That unit costs around $90 and where I live it must be installed by afE licensed electrician. Then, there's a cost per protected appliance on.+ top of that. Saying $1 is a bit misleading.   = > Lowes (Cutler Hammer and GE).  But again, that APC product? ; > Well good luck finding an APC product that are part of ano> > effective protection 'system'.  Some APC products do provide@ > that earthing connection.   Most do not.  And that recommended: > UPS for transient protection?  Only from transients that9 > typically do not exist.  IOW ineffective protection was 8 > erroneously recommended by others - as demonstrated by; > electrical principles well proven more than 60 years ago.l >n? >   BTW, you seem to feel that a computer connected to AC mainsp1 > via a UPS is somehow isolated from those mains.o  B Some are, some aren't. Level 3 UPSes usually do provide isolation.C Level 1 and 2, probably not. But, you can't make blanket statements3B about the features or quality of UPSes any more than you can aboutD Computers or Dishwashers or Automobiles. You've got to read the spec sheets.e   >Again, a so: > common myth.  When the typical plug-in UPS is in battery? > backup mode, then computer is connected directly to AC mains?t  2 There is no such thing as a *typical* plug in UPS.  > > Where is the protection?  Is that relay inside the UPS going: > to protect computer hardware?  Of course not.  They just > forgot to mention that part. >G  F Different units work differently and what you are saying might be true! for one unit but not for another.m  ? >   The OP asked for power protection;  not a solution to power 9 > interruption.  The UPS recommendation is only for poweri= > interruption AND violates those two symptoms of ineffectivei8 > protectors.  Listed were five types of power problems.  ? Nine types of problems. Where I live we get all nine most everyaC springtime and they can happen within seconds of each other. Even a D cheap UPS is better than nothing. No, it doesn't afford the level ofE protection you're talking about, but the UPS's battery backup is just3A as important as surge protection and power conditioning for powers protection.C   > For:> > effective hardware protection, a less expensive solution (at? > about $1 per protected appliance) is also the vastly superiort> > solution.  Posted previously are solutions even sold in Home; > Depot and Lowes.  The UPS recommendation is bogus - to be @ > polite because it is promoted by technical distortion and half7 > truths.  APC - like Monster Cable -  is not a seriousd> > manufacturer of transient protection.  Why do you think they@ > never mention earthing?  They fear you might learn :  no earth' > ground means no effective protection.w >t  F I can't begin to count how many intermittent problems I've solved withG computers, time-clocks, printers and such out in some shop or office by G plugging it into a cheap UPS. I agree mostly with what you've said, butr< we can only control those things over which we have control.    -Doug   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:22:22 -0500e  From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions + Message-ID: <4232282E.6B8F35D1@hotmail.com>h  ;   First we define a computer grade UPS.  This one outputs am: modified sine wave.  That means unloaded in battery backup< mode, the 120 VAC output is two 200 volt square waves with a8 270 volt spike between those square waves.  This 'dirty'< output may be destructive to small electric motors.  But the9 output is only intended for powering computers.  Computert; power supplies are so resilient that 'computer grade' UPSes . can output some of the 'dirtiest' electricity.  <   This 'dirty' electrical output when in battery backup mode= is why UPS manufacturers quietly suggest using no power stripp4 protectors on a UPS output.  Even Best made this 'no= protector' recommendation, even though their Ferrup UPSes had # a lowest total harmonic distortion.   :   These manufacturers play games with the expression 'sine; wave'.  Pure sine wave means what?  Nothing technical.  Then8 expression is to confuse those who would represent color< glossy sales brochures as if numerical specifications.  Even; the word  'dirty'  is a misnomer.  What is dirty?  Too muchu> voltage?  Not enough voltage?  Too much noise?  Too high total< harmonic distortion?  Loss of power for 1/2 of a sine wave? 6 All might be a problem.  So which one defines 'dirty'?  ;   Each type of power problem must be addressed separately. r= Most problems are solved by a power supply that meets minimum)< standards - such as those defined in Intel specs.  Standards that existed even 30 years ago.r  >   Ferrups promoted 'big iron' solutions for better filtering. ; But they forget to mention, for example, that safety grounde= wire carries destructive transients completely around the UPSL< and directly into computer motherboard.  What has the Ferrup: provided?  Filtering that the computer power supply really8 does not require.  If I was using a sophisticated analog> system, then I might consider a Ferrup for its cleaner power. < But the advantages of a Ferrup provide little advantage to a	 computer.o  :   In summary, what constitutes a good UPS depends on which  kind of 'dirty' is being solved.  ;   A computer must work just fine even when voltage drops son< low that incandescent lamps are at less than 40% intensity. : Supply must withstand (without damage) short transients of< over 1000 volts.  Power supply must work just fine even when9 the AC power is lost for 17 milliseconds.  Again, defacto = industry standards.   Computers are quite resilient.  Howevera= internal protection assumes a typically destructive transiente7 will be earthed at the service entrance.  'Whole house'a= protection is required so that a transient will not overwhelmn8 computer's and UPS's internal protection.  Yes, even the7 control electronics in a UPS require and therefore haveu internal protection.  9   That leaves only blackouts and extreme brownouts as thea> remaining unsolved significant problem.  Most every UPS solves= that problem.  Some do it better by maintaining power longer,m9 switching to batteries less frequently (Automatic Voltageu= compensation),  and sending warning signals to the computer.  9 However, many plug-in UPSes are designed so cheaply as tob9 expire the battery about every 3 years. Ironic.  Even cara> batteries exposed to harsh outside environments now last seven9 years.  In serious UPS systems, batteries are now lastingm= something short of 20 years.  Obviously more money will buy aW9 UPS with a better battery.  But how do you discover whiche> provides the better battery / battery charging system?  Easier> to just confirm the UPS uses an industry standard battery that; you can replace every 3 years without factory service.  Andc; yes, some UPSes do use proprietary batteries that sometimes " costs almost as much as a new UPS.  >   IOW just about any UPS of sufficient power will perform fine5 for a computer since 1) a computer power supply is soa; resilient, 2) the UPS is for data protection from blackoutst= and extreme brownouts, 3) and other power protection problemsn6 must be addressed elsewhere as part of a building wide: solution.  Yes, that is a 'building wide' solution as even= Montandon and Rubenstein demonstrate in a 4 Nov 1998 paper inw; the IEEE Transactions on Electromagnetic Compatibility - ife) one desires Data Center type reliability.0  5   An overview about power protection - and why a morew> expensive Ferrup provided so little to a system wide solution.   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:b > w_tom,G >      thanks for all the useful info.  Do you have info/opinion on thesC > 'higher grade' UPS models, like the Best FERRUPS, as far as poweriD > conditioning and protection from 'other than surge' power problems > (like brownouts)?r > H >      My previous employer always wanted the FERRUPS units for critical? > systems (not that they always had the budget), and if I had a G > commercial budget instead of a hobbyist budget (hence the APC Backups H > Pro 1100) they're still what I'd look at getting (whatever the current/ > owner's name is; I know Best got bought out).e >   > Thanks again for all the info! >  > Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:26:18 -0500e  From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions,+ Message-ID: <4232291A.B33FB111@hotmail.com>o  >   John defines 'whole house' protectors.  But don't assume for< a minute that the 'protector' is also 'protection'.  Why are> 'whole house' protectors so effective?  They make a 'less than7 10 foot' connection to single point earthing.  Earthinga> defines the protection.  'Whole house' protectors - as is true< of any protector - is only as effective as its earth ground.  >   For residential service, that means the earthing system must; meet or exceed post 1990 NEC requirements.  IOW earthing tos: copper pipe is no longer sufficient.  In simple terms, the< ground connection to a pipe must be for removing electricity8 from that pipe AND not for dumping electricity into that7 pipe.  Cold water pipe is not longer a sufficient earths ground.p  4   Other examples of 'whole house' protectors at very= competitive costs are Intermatics IG1240RC in Home Depot, ande: products in Lowes from Cutler Hammer and GE.  Leviton also= makes a 'whole house' protector so often promoted by regulars 8 in the Home Automation newsgroup.  These are X-10 remote8 control enthusiasts whose devices don't work well around plug-in protectors.   3   So many effective solutions for computer hardwareu6 protection.  Virtually no serious protectors have been= observed with manufacturer names such as APC, Belkin, Monstero9 Cable, Panamax, and Tripplite.  Its not hard to see why.  = Simply ask about the earth ground connection.  The connections6 they don't provide and don't want to discuss.  A surge3 protector is only as effective as its earth ground.n   John Smith wrote:t > Start here as an example:SN > http://www.eatonelectrical.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=C-H/Common/A? > ssetTemplateLink&c=Apubarticles&cid=986495734777&Sec=products  > I > Nearly all electrical major electrical distribution panel manufacturers,I > offer something of use...Square D, Siemens, etc....  and there are also4* > specialty manufactures in this game too. > M > I don't know whether you are working with a residential panel or commercialyJ > panel at your location, but assuming a residential panel for the moment,L > install something like the above in the distribution panel first, and thenM > make sure that the UPS you purchase is an 'always on' pure sine wave model.aD > You may even wish to stick a line conditionor in ahead of the UPS. > N > Make sure all your external telecom connections are brought back to a commonN > ground with the electrical system and that there are no breaks in the groundL > continuity to earth - in homes there are often bits of plastic pipe found,L > as a result of renovations, between where you install the ground strap andL > the actual earth point. If you have a copper water main into the house andL > locale electrical code allows grounding to that pipe, make sure the groundH > point is the first connection on the pipe - before any shutoff valves, > meters, etc....o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:37:55 -0500u  From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions-+ Message-ID: <42322BD3.8B81F0C1@hotmail.com>0  :   Power failure is also called blackout.  Overvoltage is a8 transient.  Sags and brownout are the exact same thing. : Frequency variation found in harmonics.   Again, the power; problems are five:  blackouts, brownouts, harmonics, noise,t and transients.M  <  Power conditioning: is already part of a power supply which> is why a UPS outputing two 200 volt square waves is irrelevant> - not destructive - to a computer.  Battery backup is what the; plug-in UPS does for data protection.  Surge suppression ise7 really a misnomer.  No effective protector "suppresses"o6 surges.  Surges are not stopped, blocked, absorbed, or: filtered.  They are shunted.  Even the ineffective plug-in> protectors do not stop or block surges.  They, too, are called shunt mode protectors.  >   Protection that works at the computer (in that big building); is already inside that computer.  Do you really think thosel= $0.10 parts added to a $3 power strip (to sell at $15 or $50)o> would not already be inside the computer, if they accomplished> something?  Any $0.10 parts that are effective on a computer's9 power cord are already inside that computer power supply.   :   An adjacent power strip protector can even contribute to: damage of a powered off computer.  Again, same bottom line< fact.  That plug-in protector has no earthing connection AND5 its manufacturer avoids all mention of earth ground. e> Therefore that adjacent plug-in protector (UPS or power strip) is not effective.4  <   Protection is a building wide 'system'.  The 'whole house'; protector is only secondary protection.  Plug-in protectors ; are, essentially, no protection.  Yes, up to this point, wen9 have not even discussed a building's primary protection. 6< Human is advised to inspect the primary protection system as demonstrated in these pictures:1!   http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.htmlT  :  So many items that can provide effective protection.  But< plug-in protectors don't contribute to a protection system. 8 All plug-in UPSes suffer the same weakness - no earthing6 connection.  What do serious building wide UPS systems> provide?  That all so critical earth ground connection.  Guess" which one is effective protection?  6   'Whole house' protectors cost about $1 per protected9 appliance - often much less.  Lets not forget the so many > unprotected appliances including smoke detectors, bathroom and> kitchen GFCIs, furnace and air conditoner controls, electronic< timer switch, clock radio, dimmer switch, dishwasher, ....  6 The actual cost is probably less than $1 per protected; appliance.   A protector sold in Home Depot costs less thane $50.  ;   'Whole house'  protectors are sold in both Home Depot andT6 Lowes because they need not be installed by a licensed: electrician.  However if your building does not confrom to< post 1990 National Electrical Code, then the electrician may= be a good investment.  Corrections that are also required foro> human safety.  Again, effective 'whole house' protectors costs< about $1 per effective appliance verses $15, $50, or $90 per< for the overhyped, ineffective plug-in protectors that don't% even claim to provide the protection.    DL Phillips wrote:I > Four additional types of power problems are Power Failure, Overvoltage, B > Sags and Frequency Variation. To address all nine types of powerI > problems, there are three types of power protection: Surge Suppression,-( > Power Conditioning and Battery Backup. > G > You should pick the level of protection needed based on the conditioniI > of the power at the outlet you need to use. If the power is conditionedsE > and surge protected at the service entrance and the outlet is on an_H > isolated circuit, then a more simple UPS will suffice. If you're on anI > upper floor of a large office building that you don't own, and you havea9 > no control over the power, then your needs are greater.5 > A >>   How does one identify an ineffective protector - power stripn= >> or UPS?  1) No dedicated connection to earth ground and 2)-@ >> manufacturer avoids all mention of earthing.   What does that< >> APC forget to discuss? No earth ground means no effective3 >> protection - which applies to all plug-in UPSes.s >>< >>   Real world protector companies discuss earth ground ...5 >> extensively.  Why?  A surge protector is not surge < >> protection.  Surge protector and surge protection are two; >> different components of a surge protection 'system'.  Ana@ >> effective 'system' always requires surge protection.  But the> >> 'system' does not always need a surge protector.  What does8 >> the surge protector (ie inside a UPS) do?  Connects a@ >> transient to surge protection. But (just like in that plug-in@ >> UPS recommendation), if the surge protectors does not connect5 >> to surge protection, then no effective protection.: >>7 >>   Surge protection is the single point earth ground.R? >> Effective surge protectors (that cost about $1 per protectede= >> appliance) are called 'whole house' protectors.  They maken9 >> (and notice the important numbers) a less than 10 footHA >> connection to surge protection - earth ground.  Some effectivenA >> protectors are sold in Home Depot (Intermatic IG1240RC) and in  > G > That unit costs around $90 and where I live it must be installed by adG > licensed electrician. Then, there's a cost per protected appliance onb- > top of that. Saying $1 is a bit misleading.  > > >> Lowes (Cutler Hammer and GE).  But again, that APC product?< >> Well good luck finding an APC product that are part of an? >> effective protection 'system'.  Some APC products do provide:A >> that earthing connection.   Most do not.  And that recommendedi; >> UPS for transient protection?  Only from transients thatu: >> typically do not exist.  IOW ineffective protection was9 >> erroneously recommended by others - as demonstrated byw< >> electrical principles well proven more than 60 years ago. >>@ >>   BTW, you seem to feel that a computer connected to AC mains2 >> via a UPS is somehow isolated from those mains. > D > Some are, some aren't. Level 3 UPSes usually do provide isolation.E > Level 1 and 2, probably not. But, you can't make blanket statementstD > about the features or quality of UPSes any more than you can aboutF > Computers or Dishwashers or Automobiles. You've got to read the spec	 > sheets.x > ? >> Again, a so common myth.  When the typical plug-in UPS is intA >> battery backup mode, then computer is connected directly to ACn	 >> mains?X > 4 > There is no such thing as a *typical* plug in UPS. > ? >> Where is the protection?  Is that relay inside the UPS goingn; >> to protect computer hardware?  Of course not.  They just  >> forgot to mention that part.  > C > Different units work differently and what you are saying might bet( > true for one unit but not for another. > @ >>   The OP asked for power protection;  not a solution to power: >> interruption.  The UPS recommendation is only for power> >> interruption AND violates those two symptoms of ineffective9 >> protectors.  Listed were five types of power problems.9 > A > Nine types of problems. Where I live we get all nine most every.E > springtime and they can happen within seconds of each other. Even a-F > cheap UPS is better than nothing. No, it doesn't afford the level ofG > protection you're talking about, but the UPS's battery backup is justEC > as important as surge protection and power conditioning for power1
 > protection.0 > ? >> For effective hardware protection, a less expensive solutiontD >> (at about $1 per protected appliance) is also the vastly superior? >> solution.  Posted previously are solutions even sold in Home(< >> Depot and Lowes.  The UPS recommendation is bogus - to beA >> polite because it is promoted by technical distortion and halfs8 >> truths.  APC - like Monster Cable -  is not a serious? >> manufacturer of transient protection.  Why do you think theyrA >> never mention earthing?  They fear you might learn :  no earth ( >> ground means no effective protection. > H > I can't begin to count how many intermittent problems I've solved withI > computers, time-clocks, printers and such out in some shop or office byiI > plugging it into a cheap UPS. I agree mostly with what you've said, bute> > we can only control those things over which we have control. >  >  -Doug   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:33:23 +0100.& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control, Message-ID: <39ekl1F5t0sp7U1@individual.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:t   >  >  > @ > I notice that your output is SEQ,VAR,with CR carriage control. > ; > Does TECO preserve formfeeds or use some other algorithm? 2 > Does it understand all the possibilities in VFC? >  > 4 Umm, Norm, we had a similar discussion back in 2002:     http://tinyurl.com/5vl2g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:57:20 -0500o From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage controlQ Message-ID: <OF7C2169CD.827F75D0-ON85256FC1.007D989A-85256FC1.007E73E5@metso.com>   A Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote on 03/11/2005 05:33:23 PM:o   > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >n > >i > >r > >hB > > I notice that your output is SEQ,VAR,with CR carriage control. > >u= > > Does TECO preserve formfeeds or use some other algorithm?y4 > > Does it understand all the possibilities in VFC? > >  > >u6 > Umm, Norm, we had a similar discussion back in 2002: >e >  > http://tinyurl.com/5vl2g   Err, yes, Paul, we did, indeed.   7 This question is different.  My need then, and now, wasa< for all the lineage to be preserved, since I am transferring@ to a COLD system and the received file needs to match a documentD template.  I never considered the TECO option (Real men write code).@ I am now asking if the TECO option gives the same results as theB program, albeit the program embeds <ff>, <cr> and <lf> characters,? and TECO seems not to do that, but what exactly does it do, form! example, with the <FF> character?s  1 Thanks for your attention and for remembering....e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:12:17 -0800M# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control( Message-ID: <opsnhxerj9zgicya@hyrrokkin>  C On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:57:20 -0500, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:    >  >k >  >g >  > C > Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote on 03/11/2005 05:33:23 PM:e >e  >> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >C >> > I notice that your output is SEQ,VAR,with CR carriage control.- >> >> >> > Does TECO preserve formfeeds or use some other algorithm?5 >> > Does it understand all the possibilities in VFC?  >> > >> >7 >> Umm, Norm, we had a similar discussion back in 2002:0 >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/5vl2ge > ! > Err, yes, Paul, we did, indeed.w >e9 > This question is different.  My need then, and now, was > > for all the lineage to be preserved, since I am transferringB > to a COLD system and the received file needs to match a documentF > template.  I never considered the TECO option (Real men write code).B > I am now asking if the TECO option gives the same results as theD > program, albeit the program embeds <ff>, <cr> and <lf> characters,A > and TECO seems not to do that, but what exactly does it do, fort# > example, with the <FF> character?  >n3 > Thanks for your attention and for remembering.... C Why can't you open two files, each with the appropriate attributes, > read from one, write to other.  I think this would be a 5 line8 PL/I program, if I understand the requirments correctly.   >r >i       -- VC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.141 ************************