1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 142       Contents: Audio on openVMS 8.2 Alpha Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark% Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO F Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseF Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions# Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:57:54 +0000 (UTC). From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)# Subject: Audio on openVMS 8.2 Alpha . Message-ID: <d0n2th$afv$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  L I've been using the "unofficially supported" ESS audio device on v7.3-1 (PWSL 500au), now I upgrade to 8.2 and AUA0 no longer exists.  Has this capability been yanked?    G How about officially-supported devices such as AudioPCI, do any of them  still work on 8.2?  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:34:30 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark , Message-ID: <-K6dnQXnt8FiYK_fRVn-2w@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:= > In article <1BjYd.34274$JH1.1567253@news20.bellglobal.com>, - > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  >>1 >> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message ( >> news:d0q3nj$g1c$1@panix5.panix.com... >>>  >> [...snip...]  >>> " >>> Here's a VAX shark for ya'.... >>> ( >>> http://www.panix.com/~adykes/vax.jpg >>> H >>> It's a scan of a DECUS button I have from the year DEC killed the 36H >>> bit product line ("LCG" for you kids.)  At the time I had several ofF >>> the largest 36 bit machines DEC made and wasn't happy.  Not that IG >>> had anything against VMS, but the at the largest 32 bit machine was + >>> the 780 and they tiny for our workload.  >>> D >>> The sailboat was the logo for lots of 36-bit related activities. >>> # >>> a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m  >>>  >>0 >> Is there any meaning to the upside-down flag? >> > @ > A national flag flying upside down was (is?) an inteernational& > distress signal like SOS and Mayday.    C So how do you tell with countries whose flags look the same whether  right-side up or inverted?  C These would be flags with vertical bars and no other distinguishing 2 markings - Andorra, Belgium, Chad, France, etc....  J And there are flags which have horizontal symmetry that look the same whenG inverted - Argentina, Austria, Botswana, Catalonia (ok, not a country),  etc....   G And flags with both vertical & horizontal symmetry - Denmark, Scotland,  Sweden, Switzerland, etc....   --F OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:20:00 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark ( Message-ID: <opsni57me1zgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:34:30 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  I > And flags with both vertical & horizontal symmetry - Denmark, Scotland,  > Sweden, Switzerland, etc....  5 The scandinavian flags do not have vertical symmetry.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:51:29 -0600 ? From: Swedish Chef <thisisafakeaddress@staffan.tjernstrom.name> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark D Message-ID: <pan.2005.03.12.17.51.29.761414@staffan.tjernstrom.name>  F John Smith scribbled something like this, on Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:34:30 -0500:L > And there are flags which have horizontal symmetry that look the same whenI > inverted - Argentina, Austria, Botswana, Catalonia (ok, not a country), 	 > etc....  > I > And flags with both vertical & horizontal symmetry - Denmark, Scotland,  > Sweden, Switzerland, etc....  C Though in actual fact most of these (including the UK's) are subtly H asymmetrical (one bar slightly offset, dialgonals starting on horizontalG or vertical, etc). All sorts of meaning apparently attached to inverted / flags, all/most of which I'm blissfully unaware    --   ---  Swedish Chef+ The only thing I know, is that I don't know    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:38:17 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO- Message-ID: <87fyz0lvrq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:   ? > For things on Linux that require kernel changes, IBM can only @ > request features. Linus (and associates) are the only ones who1 > decide what and *when* kernel changes get done.    Horse stuff...  A They have the code, there is NOTHING to stop them from writing it @ themselves! Zip, nadda, nil. But they DO have to give the source to their customers.   4 What other parts of Open Souce don't you understand?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:07:40 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO= Message-ID: <42333034$0$78287$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:+ > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  >  > ? >>For things on Linux that require kernel changes, IBM can only @ >>request features. Linus (and associates) are the only ones who1 >>decide what and *when* kernel changes get done.  >  >  > Horse stuff... > C > They have the code, there is NOTHING to stop them from writing it B > themselves! Zip, nadda, nil. But they DO have to give the source > to their customers.  > 6 > What other parts of Open Souce don't you understand? > G Well, Kerry is spinning the truth to make VMS & HP look good.  I think  E Kerry is right, but IBM's options look much better if the wording is   changed a little.   E Of course IBM can make the modifications that minimizes that work of  G moving from AIX to Linux, but the customers will want to run Redhat or  A SuSE.  Thus IBM will have a strong interest in getting the Linux  " community to accept their changes.  I Alternatively IBM could make a runtime environment, that made Linux look  H like AIX to programs.  That could be runtime libraries, a virtual Power B machine, or any of the other tricks that have been used by, e.g., H Digital to make VAX code run on Alpha, various companies and OSS people 8 to make Windows code run on none Windows platforms, etc.  G Please note that there are environments for making Windows code run on  F Linux, and that people have been writing code to run on multiple *nix G platforms for years.  It seems feasible to make Linux look like AIX to  - programs without changing that much of Linux.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:05:20 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please 3 Message-ID: <d0ubck$gv$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   ) John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com wrote: B > My PC network is RJ45. I do not have a hardware hookup to BNC or > ThickWire of the VAX.   A John, where are you geographically ?  I'm presuming you're in the  UK.   ? I have oodles of Thickwire-UTP adaptors suitable for hooking up < your VAX to your "PC" network (now why does that terminology	 grate ?).   : You can have one for free if you're anywhere near me;  I'm; in the village of Great Chesterford, near Saffron Walden in % Essex - 16 Km due south of Cambridge.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:03:31 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please ? Message-ID: <T7zYd.194325$K7.120947@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   5 <John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com> wrote in message = news:1110568741.425394.208480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... F > My MicroVAX 3100 only has terminal connections to the outside world.I > One of these is to a PC running Windows2000. I have downloaded from the G > Web onto the PC a number of VAX executables. These I want to transfer 
 > to the VAX. G > I have basic old Kermit-32 running on the VAX but it will not support E > correct transfer of binary files from the PC (ironically one of the D > executables I want to transfer is CKermit which does fully supportF > binary transfers). I have Hexify and Dehexify running on the VAX butI > need a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify so that I can transfer CKermit  > as a text file.  >  > Two questions/requests:  > H > 1. Is my method flawed in that the PC has 'lost' already the necessaryH > file structure information, so any VAX executable file that has passed; > via the PCs hard disk will fail to run on the VAX itself?  > I > 2. Does anyone have a PC version of Hexify and Dehexify, or perhaps the G > format and checksum information so that I can write a PC version.  My A > competence at VAX Macro means I am struggling to understand the 7 > required format from the VAX assembler copies I have.  > 
 > John Martin B You should get an "evaluation" copy of reflection from www.wrq.com< It uses a file transfer protocol that can handle image files1 and has a  bootstrap method for uploading itself.  Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2005 05:33:50 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>O Subject: Re: Transfering Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please C Message-ID: <1110634430.022792.252980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote:   B > If you don't have an IMAGE transfer file type, you can still use
 binary and  > then enter in the VMS command: > ; > $SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE=(RFM:FIX,LRL:512) executable-file.EXE   E Unfortunately not with Kermit-32 as it used 510 byte RMS records when G storing in binary mode. Of course you can convert the record format but ' just changing the attribute won't work.  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:46:44 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions , Message-ID: <v8WdnTRdF6JAna7fRVn-tw@igs.net>   w_tom wrote:@ >   John defines 'whole house' protectors.  But don't assume for> > a minute that the 'protector' is also 'protection'.  Why are@ > 'whole house' protectors so effective?  They make a 'less than9 > 10 foot' connection to single point earthing.  Earthing @ > defines the protection.  'Whole house' protectors - as is true> > of any protector - is only as effective as its earth ground. > @ >   For residential service, that means the earthing system must= > meet or exceed post 1990 NEC requirements.  IOW earthing to < > copper pipe is no longer sufficient.  In simple terms, the> > ground connection to a pipe must be for removing electricity: > from that pipe AND not for dumping electricity into that9 > pipe.  Cold water pipe is not longer a sufficient earth 	 > ground.  > 6 >   Other examples of 'whole house' protectors at very? > competitive costs are Intermatics IG1240RC in Home Depot, and < > products in Lowes from Cutler Hammer and GE.  Leviton also? > makes a 'whole house' protector so often promoted by regulars : > in the Home Automation newsgroup.  These are X-10 remote: > control enthusiasts whose devices don't work well around > plug-in protectors.  > 5 >   So many effective solutions for computer hardware 8 > protection.  Virtually no serious protectors have been? > observed with manufacturer names such as APC, Belkin, Monster : > Cable, Panamax, and Tripplite.  Its not hard to see why.? > Simply ask about the earth ground connection.  The connection 8 > they don't provide and don't want to discuss.  A surge5 > protector is only as effective as its earth ground.       J Don't know about commercial construction but in residential, an acceptableK electrical system ground can also using the rebar in the building footings.   J Where I am, a typical residence will have a footing that is 16"-24" wide xH the full perimeter length of the foundation - often more than 150 linear/ feet in contact with soil below the frost line.   G Or we can use 2 copper rods 10' long pounded into the ground, spaced at L least 10' apart and connected together with #2 wire as the ground instead of' the copper cold municipal water supply.      --F OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:15:29 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control, Message-ID: <39gfbuF604lmfU1@individual.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    >  >  >  >  > C > Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote on 03/11/2005 05:33:23 PM:  >  >  >>norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >> >> >>>  >>> A >>>I notice that your output is SEQ,VAR,with CR carriage control.  >>> < >>>Does TECO preserve formfeeds or use some other algorithm?3 >>>Does it understand all the possibilities in VFC?  >>>  >>>  >>6 >>Umm, Norm, we had a similar discussion back in 2002: >> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/5vl2g >  > ! > Err, yes, Paul, we did, indeed.  > 9 > This question is different.  My need then, and now, was > > for all the lineage to be preserved, since I am transferringB > to a COLD system and the received file needs to match a documentF > template.  I never considered the TECO option (Real men write code).B > I am now asking if the TECO option gives the same results as theD > program, albeit the program embeds <ff>, <cr> and <lf> characters,A > and TECO seems not to do that, but what exactly does it do, for # > example, with the <FF> character?   I As far as I recall, TECO interprets the VFC control codes correctly (and  G it was a surprise, because in a much earlier incarnation (VMS 5.2), it   didn't).  F But it's complicated when it comes to <cr> and <lf>. If you have ever G used Runoff (aka DSR), the output files contain <cr><lf> combinations,  I at the end of each line, which both the print driver and TECO strip out.  H Simply copying such a file to a printer (COPY vs PRINT, or transferring G to a PC) will result in double spacing. But TECO has always managed to  / sort that out with a simple EDIT/TECO then ex$$    > 3 > Thanks for your attention and for remembering....  >  No problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:42:19 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com , Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control- Message-ID: <87br9olvl0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  E > This question is different.  My need then, and now, was for all the C > lineage to be preserved, since I am transferring to a COLD system D > and the received file needs to match a document template.  I neverD > considered the TECO option (Real men write code).  I am now askingF > if the TECO option gives the same results as the program, albeit theF > program embeds <ff>, <cr> and <lf> characters, and TECO seems not toB > do that, but what exactly does it do, for example, with the <FF> > character?  3 > Thanks for your attention and for remembering....   9 Page break chars are eaten on input unless you do `stuff' 5 to keep them and also can be trashed on output unless & you do `other stuff' to preserve them.  5 Not being able to find a TECO manual at the moment...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:38:31 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control, Message-ID: <39gno4F5gtbngU1@individual.net>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:    > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >  > E >>This question is different.  My need then, and now, was for all the C >>lineage to be preserved, since I am transferring to a COLD system D >>and the received file needs to match a document template.  I neverD >>considered the TECO option (Real men write code).  I am now askingF >>if the TECO option gives the same results as the program, albeit theF >>program embeds <ff>, <cr> and <lf> characters, and TECO seems not toB >>do that, but what exactly does it do, for example, with the <FF> >>character? >  > 3 >>Thanks for your attention and for remembering....  >  > ; > Page break chars are eaten on input unless you do `stuff' 7 > to keep them and also can be trashed on output unless ( > you do `other stuff' to preserve them. > 7 > Not being able to find a TECO manual at the moment...  >   C http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software/teco-v40-ug-lrm.txt C http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software/teco-v40-ug-lrm.pdf    :-)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.142 ************************