1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 144       Contents: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark% Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO $ Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T$ Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-TC Transferring Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please G Re: Transferring Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please $ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions7 [OT]: NYT - More heads should roll & HP should break-up   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:19:13 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>  Subject: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE* Message-ID: <42343ec2@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  * Last month a request has been made in this0 forum to add support for DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  9 The request came from Dave W. but I do not have his email 4 address so I'm announcing to the entire forum.......  0 I'm happy to report that we have implemented the9 request and it will ship with the next version of the O/S    Here is a simple example:   
 IPL31> ty a.c  void main () {          status=routine_a(a,b,c)  } 
 IPL31> ty b.c  void main () {           status=routine_a (a,b,c) }   IPL31> diff a.c b.c/ignore=white& Number of difference sections found: 0% Number of difference records found: 0   + DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=(WHITE_SPACE)/MERGED=1- #          $1$DKC600:[GUY.DIFF]A.C;1- "          $1$DKC600:[GUY.DIFF]B.C;2  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:45:16 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark - Message-ID: <871xakjdzn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   A > And flags with both vertical & horizontal symmetry -  Scotland,   ; No, the Scot's flag is not symetric, nor is the union jack.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:13:18 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 4 Message-ID: <d1178h$2ac$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  ' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > A >>And flags with both vertical & horizontal symmetry -  Scotland,  > = > No, the Scot's flag is not symetric, nor is the union jack.   : Actually Scotland's flag is symmetrical, as is the flag of< England, as is the flag of Northern Ireland.  When these are: combined into the Union Flag, there is indeed a subtle but: clearly visible asymmetry introduced.  I remember being in? primary school (in Scotland, 1950's) when this was demonstrated : to us by a set of overlapping paper cutouts, and I thought6 "That's cheating".  The cheat was, of course, to shift7 the 4 cross segments of the Northern Irish flag.  For a   very clear picture of this, see:  : http://www.flags.net/country.php?country=UNKG&section=CURR  = Now, the Welsh flag ... that most definitely has no symmetry, 4 and would be one of the most blatant upside-down :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:02:45 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 6 Message-ID: <UZVYd.599$Ai3.6313@news20.bellglobal.com>  0 "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message 1 news:Xns9617ECFE4A59Adcovmsrox@212.100.160.126...  [...snip...] > L > You missed the Compaq logo.  It should come up just long enough for you toA > recognise it then be replaced by a DECWindows error screen. :-)  >  > Doc.  
 Ha. Good one. K Maybe I should change mine to fade from digital to HP to question mark. :-)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:55:13 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark & Message-ID: <42345451.14CC6B84@hp.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:  > 1 > "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message 3 > news:Xns9617ECFE4A59Adcovmsrox@212.100.160.126...  > [...snip...] > > N > > You missed the Compaq logo.  It should come up just long enough for you toC > > recognise it then be replaced by a DECWindows error screen. :-)  > >  > > Doc. >  > Ha. Good one. M > Maybe I should change mine to fade from digital to HP to question mark. :-)  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html  F goto http://www.polarhome.com:763/~miker/ and hold your mouse over the" HP logo in the upper-left corner.    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:00:30 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark ( Message-ID: <opsnk2q4kpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:32:29 -0500, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>    wrote:   > C > "Mike Rechtman" <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> wrote in message " > news:42345451.14CC6B84@hp.com... >  > [...snip...] >  >>I >> goto http://www.polarhome.com:763/~miker/ and hold your mouse over the $ >> HP logo in the upper-left corner. >> >> Mike  >> --  > Cool effect.  I I can see it with IE, but didn't work with Opera.  Is it valid HTML code?    <A HREF="http://thenew.hp.com/" E    onMouseOver="document.images[st].src='digital.gif' ; return true " >    onMouseOut="document.images[st].src='hp.gif'; return true ">    ><IMG SRC="hp.gif" BORDER=0 WIDTH=80 HEIGHT=50 ALIGN="LEFT"    ALT="The new HP" ></A><P>   > / > p.s. You should add your site to the VMS ring ) > (http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=openvms)  >  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:32:29 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 8 Message-ID: <w2ZYd.1973$Ai3.49367@news20.bellglobal.com>  B "Mike Rechtman" <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> wrote in message   news:42345451.14CC6B84@hp.com...   [...snip...]   > H > goto http://www.polarhome.com:763/~miker/ and hold your mouse over the# > HP logo in the upper-left corner.  >  > Mike > --   Cool effect.  - p.s. You should add your site to the VMS ring ' (http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=openvms)     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:53:02 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark - Message-ID: <87hdjfilup.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:    > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  ( >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  B >>>And flags with both vertical & horizontal symmetry -  Scotland,  > >> No, the Scot's flag is not symetric, nor is the union jack.  E > Actually Scotland's flag is symmetrical, as is the flag of England, C > as is the flag of Northern Ireland.  When these are combined into > > the Union Flag, there is indeed a subtle but clearly visible? > asymmetry introduced.  I remember being in primary school (in @ > Scotland, 1950's) when this was demonstrated to us by a set ofB > overlapping paper cutouts, and I thought "That's cheating".  TheE > cheat was, of course, to shift the 4 cross segments of the Northern 5 > Irish flag.  For a very clear picture of this, see:   < > http://www.flags.net/country.php?country=UNKG&section=CURR  C > Now, the Welsh flag ... that most definitely has no symmetry, and 2 > would be one of the most blatant upside-down :-)  H Damm, too long since I was a Boy Scout ;) So the UJ does not include the+ Welsh Dragon, so what do they use instead?     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:45:38 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 6 Message-ID: <l%_Yd.149$N8.20076@news20.bellglobal.com>  / "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message  " news:opsnk2q4kpzgicya@hyrrokkin...H > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:32:29 -0500, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  > wrote: >  [...snip...] > K > I can see it with IE, but didn't work with Opera.  Is it valid HTML code?  > ! > <A HREF="http://thenew.hp.com/" F >   onMouseOver="document.images[st].src='digital.gif' ; return true "? >   onMouseOut="document.images[st].src='hp.gif'; return true " ? >   ><IMG SRC="hp.gif" BORDER=0 WIDTH=80 HEIGHT=50 ALIGN="LEFT"  >   ALT="The new HP" ></A><P>  > J I'm no expert, but "onMouseOver" is an intrinsic event defined in HTML 4.0  > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/scripts.html#h-18.2.3i http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/events/onmouseover.asp   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:50:03 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEOB Message-ID: <1110696601.39d865f9e69141c363960236dbc2847e@teranews>   Karsten Nyblad wrote: G > IBM has been spending much money on Linux, but it is difficult to see 1 > that they have got that much revenue from that.     H IBM's Linux moves are far more strategic than it appears on the surface.B You need to remmener where IBM started from, a company viewed as aD dinosaur with its mainframes and made irrelevant in the IT industry.  H From a PR perspective, the very visible Linux support helps position IBM9 as a leader in the industry. (as opposed to an also-ran).   C Being seen as a leader also helps push Power based machines to host = Linux. It also tried this with its 370 mainframes earlier on.   H Beeing seen as a leader also helps IBM services gets contracts to deployF and support Linux based systems. Linux may be free, but support isn't.  G Another point is with IBM's own installed base. If IBM weren't seen as  H linux expert, customers might not consider IBM and go with other vendorsF for new Linux projects, which woudl result in net loss for IBM. With aF strong image of Linux expertise and solutions, IBM customers will find> it very easy to stay with IBM should they consider moving from MVS/AIX/AS400 to Linux.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:18:12 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO( Message-ID: <opsnkx0mfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:50:03 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote:   > Karsten Nyblad wrote: H >> IBM has been spending much money on Linux, but it is difficult to see2 >> that they have got that much revenue from that. >  > J > IBM's Linux moves are far more strategic than it appears on the surface.D > You need to remmener where IBM started from, a company viewed as aF > dinosaur with its mainframes and made irrelevant in the IT industry.  I IBM has experienced a renaissance with the mainframes.  Linux will run in  an LPAR, for example.  > J > From a PR perspective, the very visible Linux support helps position IBM; > as a leader in the industry. (as opposed to an also-ran).  > E > Being seen as a leader also helps push Power based machines to host ? > Linux. It also tried this with its 370 mainframes earlier on.  > J > Beeing seen as a leader also helps IBM services gets contracts to deployH > and support Linux based systems. Linux may be free, but support isn't. > H > Another point is with IBM's own installed base. If IBM weren't seen asJ > linux expert, customers might not consider IBM and go with other vendorsH > for new Linux projects, which woudl result in net loss for IBM. With aH > strong image of Linux expertise and solutions, IBM customers will find@ > it very easy to stay with IBM should they consider moving from > MVS/AIX/AS400 to Linux.   J I get the impression that IBM and others are involved with Linux because   theyK don't want anybody else to run away with the business, should it prove to    be viable.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2005 16:20:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon). Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO, Message-ID: <39j7idF62m1vvU1@individual.net>  = In article <4233d1f5$0$80886$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, . 	Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:@ >> In article <42333034$0$78287$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>,1 >> 	Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes: H >>>Of course IBM can make the modifications that minimizes that work of J >>>moving from AIX to Linux, but the customers will want to run Redhat or D >>>SuSE.  Thus IBM will have a strong interest in getting the Linux % >>>community to accept their changes.  >>   >>  H >> If they put their minds to it, do you think it would be all that longJ >> before IBM supplanted RedHat and/or SuSE as the ruler of the commercialF >> Linux world?  Even Linus has nothing to protect his position as the >> God of Linux. > F > Right now you need support for Oracle databases if you want to be a H > Linux vendor.  Oracle would be dead dumb if they helped their largest E > competitor on DB software getting a monopoly on the Linux platform.   D Well, if IBM is pushing Linux in any flavor and Oracle is supportingA Linux it seems they are already helping their largest competitor. C Fact is that IBM may be a competitior but they wouldn't hesitate to / sell Oracle if that's what the customer wanted.    > H > IBM has been spending much money on Linux, but it is difficult to see 3 > that they have got that much revenue from that.     E And what revenue does RedHat get from Linux?  One would assume pretty B much all of it.  And IBM could expect the same if they offered theC same services that RedHat did.  I would be willing to bet (although E I am sure there is  no more chance of verifying it than verifying the C same for VMS) that IBM is making money from Linux.  They didn't get ( where they are by being philanthropists.  F >                                                 Linux fans may like B > what IBM do, but the fans do not let that decide their purchase I > decisions.  Sun have written important OSS like OpenOffice and J2EE is  D > the only competitor to .NET, but Sun is in trouble.  IBM might be H > writing great software for Linux, but I doubt they can wind that many  > customers that way.   @ Your right.  RedHat is where they are because of the package andB services they offer.  IBM is not only in a position to offer more,> they are also in a position to blow their own horn even louderB than RedHat.  And when you figure that the biggest thing Linux hasA going for it is the hype the name IBM is more than enough to take . over the market if they ever decide they care.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:48:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEOB Message-ID: <1110732512.4449e4cfc067d7940994af95558d685f@teranews>   Tom Linden wrote:    J > I get the impression that IBM and others are involved with Linux becauseP > they don't want anybody else to run away with the business, should it prove to > be viable.  E I woudl generally agree with this assesment. However, I think IBM not ? only doesn't want to miss the boat, but also wan't to be in the D wheelhouse, directing where the boat goes and be seen as a leader inB that market. And IBM is using the leadership it has regained under6 Gerstner to make significant push in teh Linux market.  H Companies such as HP who are still loyal to Microsoft, are selling LinuxS just so that they don't miss the boat. They aren't pushing Linux against mcirosoft.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:03:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEOB Message-ID: <1110733434.f0684fa63ababa77e8325acab565ebcd@teranews>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > Well, if IBM is pushing Linux in any flavor and Oracle is supportingC > Linux it seems they are already helping their largest competitor. E > Fact is that IBM may be a competitior but they wouldn't hesitate to 1 > sell Oracle if that's what the customer wanted.   H Gertsner talks about this problematic issue in his book. He did make theG convincing argument to sell certain products to 3rd parties in order to F not be seen competing against a more popular vendor. But IBM also madeG key decisions to keep on competing in the database market with its DB2.   F It took a lot of cultural change at IBM to get the sales reps to startF to work with competitors to build proposals that involved both IBM andA competitor's products. (I think that the term that was coined was ) coopetition) (cooperation + competition).   E DEC could have kept RDB if its sales reps were more opened to selling 7 Oracle and let cistomers decide between RDB and Oracle.   B > Your right.  RedHat is where they are because of the package andD > services they offer.  IBM is not only in a position to offer more,@ > they are also in a position to blow their own horn even louder > than RedHat.    F But the reason that IBM is able to blow their horn about Linux is veryC important: IBM regained a leadership position in the market and has E become vbery relevant, thanks to the changes made by Gerstner and the H MARKETING that was done to bring IBM back into the 1990s and jumpstard aB sick old mainframe proprietary expensive company into a leader for* internet software/services for enterprise.    D Where does HP really lead in the enterprise sector ?  Not Linux, notE Unix, not the chip (Power is better than IA64). They certaintly don't   have much credibility with SAP.   F HP does a lot of things "acceptably". But they don't seem to excell inG any of them. They just follow want Intel and Microsoft tell them to do. C In fact, from a practical point of view, HP appears to be more of a * joint venture between Microsoft and Intel.  A MS wants to go to consumer goods and home entertainment ? HP goes & consumer goods and home entertainment.    E The vendors should be telling Intel and Microsoft what to do, not the  other way around. It is the ven H dors who have the contact with the customers. IBM did a very smart thingH by distancing itseof from microsoft when it realised that a relationshipH with Microsoft is always one of slave, with the vendor nevert having anyB ifluence over microsoft. By being independant, you can direct yourH products faster towards what your customers need than if you just followD what microsoft decides to do, especially in the enterprise business.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:59:16 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> . Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO0 Message-ID: <1138v96eteb08dd@corp.supernews.com>   Tom Linden wrote:    > C > I get the impression that IBM and others are involved with Linux   > because  they I > don't want anybody else to run away with the business, should it prove   > to  be	 > viable.  >   I I seem to remember the advice on how to be a leader.  Find out which way  ; the mob is headed, get to the front, and shout "Follow me!"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:42:53 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>- Subject: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T * Message-ID: <4233fdfc@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  
 Hello All,  9 For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to : customize the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbol1 DCL$CTRLT will be appended to the standard CTRL-T  output.   6 While doing that, I thought about a new concept remote, CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains% a process ID,  the CTRL-T information 0 displayed will be the one of the remote process.  C It is not a revolutionary idea and the information can be retrieved / in 10 other ways, however I think it is useful.   7 Do you like the idea of remote CTRL-T? Will you be able 
 to use it?  1 Your thoughts and comments are highly appreciated   	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:50:36 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T 4 Message-ID: <d115tv$cak$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>   Guy Peleg wrote:  ; > For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to < > customize the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbol3 > DCL$CTRLT will be appended to the standard CTRL-T 	 > output.  > 8 > While doing that, I thought about a new concept remote. > CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains' > a process ID,  the CTRL-T information 2 > displayed will be the one of the remote process. > E > It is not a revolutionary idea and the information can be retrieved 1 > in 10 other ways, however I think it is useful.  > 9 > Do you like the idea of remote CTRL-T? Will you be able  > to use it? > 3 > Your thoughts and comments are highly appreciated   % Woohoo!!  Nice idea - *yes* *please*.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:38:21 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)- Subject: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T 2 Message-ID: <05031307382120_27800279@antinode.org>  0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>  ; > For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to < > customize the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbol3 > DCL$CTRLT will be appended to the standard CTRL-T 	 > output.   E    Can DCL$CTRLT be an expression with variable results (evaluated at 
 CRTL/T time)?   8 > While doing that, I thought about a new concept remote. > CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains' > a process ID,  the CTRL-T information 2 > displayed will be the one of the remote process.  H    It might also be handy to have a lexical function like F$CTRLT( PID),H which could return the same data in a less interactive context.  PerhapsF a single CTRL/T could report on multiple processes.  For example, whenF running MMS, CTRL/T tells about the top-level MMS process, but all the# work is being done by subprocesses.   9 > Do you like the idea of remote CTRL-T? Will you be able  > to use it?      Sounds entertaining to me.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:42:30 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T , Message-ID: <42345247$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  7 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:05031307382120_27800279@antinode.org...2 > From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> > = > > For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to > > > customize the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbol5 > > DCL$CTRLT will be appended to the standard CTRL-T  > > output.  > G >    Can DCL$CTRLT be an expression with variable results (evaluated at  > CRTL/T time)?  >    Yes    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:38:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T B Message-ID: <1110731915.29e5bf0aa2da7934d05d4862d8372da7@teranews>   Guy Peleg wrote:8 > While doing that, I thought about a new concept remote. > CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains' > a process ID,  the CTRL-T information 2 > displayed will be the one of the remote process.  @ How many utilities, apart from Backup, actually display relevant
 information ?   G As far as I am concerned, I used <ctrl-t> to find the time, or when the < current process seems busy, to see if CPU and IO are moving.  C But for another process, I use show proc/cont/id= which is far more G powerful than what CTRL-T can display, and I can easily switch from one F process to another with RECALL instead of having to define come ctrl-T logical to switch process.  ? also show proc/copnt/id rtequires only world. But wouldn't your # control-t end up requiring cmkrnl ?   H However, to play pranks on unsuspecting users, you could put the $DEFINED DCL$CTRL_PID in their login.com and then whenever they typed ctrl-t,, they'd get another process's information :-)  E Personally,. I woudl much rather see a SHOW PROC/FILES/NOSYS and SHOW E PROC/CHANNELS. That woudl be far mroe useful and save time from using : eithert pipe with show dev and search or using ana/system.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2005 06:22:45 -0800( From: greigaln@netscape.net (Alan Greig)L Subject: Transferring Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please= Message-ID: <d391276d.0503130622.676e2bed@posting.google.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote:   > On 3/12/05 5:33 AM, in articleE > 1110634430.022792.252980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "Alan Greig"   > <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote: >  > > Jeff Cameron wrote:  > >  >  > > M > I don't know exactly what you mean? I use Kermit-32, and I have transferred N > VAX and Alpha Executable images using both these methods for years now, with
 > no problem.  > Jeff  @ This just didn't work in official Kermit-32. I am fairly certainC someone "fixed" an unofficial copy of kermit-32 to make it work the E same way as C-Kermit so it is possible you are using that. It is more A likely you are confusing kermit-32 and C-kermit (its replacement)  though.   ? To be clear Kermit-32 used some really bizarre file format when D storing in binary. This is clearly documented and why FIXED mode wasE added. Are you sure you are not thinking of C-Kermit? If you say this A really works with Kermit-32 could you post the version number and / output of dir/full and anal/rms on such a file.   C Because all the bytes are intact in a kermit-32 binary you can just E read the file byte by byte in a couple of lines of C and write it out D again. The default streamlf output file will then execute. But thereF is no way the image activator will try to load the original - the bits> just aren't in the right place. It would be like expecting theE hexified ascii executable to just load and run without decoding. Your C SET FILE ATTRIB works with C-Kermit because all the bits are in the + right place. Just the attributes are wrong.   F Below is a quote from Frank Da Cruz (Mr Kermit) I have just dug out ofD Google confirming this. Please note this was a very, very well known: problem and one of the many reasons kermit-32 was retired.   Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 2 From: f...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)  Date: 1998/07/21+ Subject: Re: Kermit transfer problem (help)   C n article <Pine.LNX.3.96.980720211256.10165A-100...@fuji.liss.net>, $ Larry  <l...@liss.dyn.ml.org> wrote:   :    - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - System a: VAX/VMS 5.2  : system b: PC, p133 Linux : D : I need to upload some files to my VAX system, the only link I have isE : serial cable, running Kermit-32 version 3.3.117 (is it way old?) on  VMS,F : and c-kermit on linux system, I can make a connection, set file typeE : binary, then uploaded files over, but when I try to run the .exe, I  got  : the following error:? : -IMGACT-F-IMG_SIZ, image header descriptor-length is invalid.  : B : I know it's not a problem of my files that I downloaded from the net,A : because I downloaded a known good file(kermit.exe) from the vms 	 system to E : linux, then uploaded back to vms, all transfers are in binary mode,  when IB : try to run the file I just moved back from linux, it gave me the sameD : error. I also tried to set file bytesize to 8 or 7 bite, still the same. @ : I don't know what I did wrong, anyone have any idea/fix of the	 problem I , : encountered, I would like to hear from you   .  : C Kermit-32 is about 12 years old.  It was replaced many years ago by  VMS  C-Kermit, as John pointed out.  ? The trouble you are having is because Kermit-32 stores incoming = binary files with a record length of 510, for reasons lost in 
 antiquity.  , The cure is to install C-Kermit on your VAX:  *   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html  > The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0, with 6.1 in Beta test.   - Frank    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2005 09:59:27 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>P Subject: Re: Transferring Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help pleaseB Message-ID: <1110736766.989544.70070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:   A > I don't know exactly what you mean? I use Kermit-32, and I have  transferred D > VAX and Alpha Executable images using both these methods for years	 now, with   F Actually re-reading - the clue is in your statement "VAX and Alpha" IfB you really are running Kermit-32 on an Alpha then I'm astounded. IE *think* it did VEST as I tried it for a laugh about '92. I have never F heard of anyone actually compiling it on an Alpha. Frank da Cruz would1 probably turn a funny colour at the very thought.   E Kermit-32 shared sourcecode with TOPS-10 Kermit-36 and was written in C Bliss. It is very, very old and only implements a subset of current  Kermit protocols.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:50:10 -0500   From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions + Message-ID: <4233F0B2.21B21412@hotmail.com>   9   A ten foot copper rod is a "minimally acceptable" earth = ground per 1990 code requirements. Again, the cold water pipe 9 is no longer considered a sufficient earth ground - which > should have the attention of pre-1990 homeowners.   Since most= electricians don't have tools to measure this grounding, then : electricians will install two 10 foot rods as described by; code.  Again, a single point earth ground creates a massive : improvement in electronics protection.  Plug-in protectors; avoid this discussion to sell their overpriced (excessively  profitable) products.   7   A protector is only as effective as its earthing.  To > protect household appliances, then we should routinely install8 Ufer grounds in all new buildings.  That means transient; protection is installed when footings are poured.  Rebar is 6 properly interconnected to become a single point earth< ground.  The service entrance (where phone, electric, cable,< satellite TV, etc enter) must be defined before footings are9 even poured.  Planning that home builders often prefer tof= avoid because it is not required.  Some examples and conceptse of Ufer grounding:$   http://scott-inc.com/html/ufer.htm)   http://www.psihq.com/iread/ufergrnd.htm    C http://dayton.akorn.net/pipermail/towertalk/2000-August/032935.html -   [TowerTalk] Ground Rods into Concrete StubsaA > What you're proposing to do has the makings of what is referred @ > to as a Ufer ground.  Named for its inventor, the principle of< > the Ufer ground is simple.   ... according to Polyphaser's1 > "Grounds for Lightning Protection" publication.k  RF http://dayton.akorn.net/pipermail/towertalk/1999-September/026083.html   [TowerTalk] UFER Ground??? f@ > An Ufer ground ... this may be the ENTIRE ground system. Since? > the concrete is conductive and there is lots of concrete areae= > in contact with the soil, it does a pretty reasonable job. t  iO http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/GB-HTML/HTML/UferGroundPsi~20030930.htm   8   The Ufer ground, as described, provides a single point= ground AND solves other problems such as a local geology that07 is not monolithic.  Loop makes earth beneath a buildingh> equipotential.  If we built new buildings as if the transistor= exists, then the home owner would need not know any of this. i> But that is the problem.  Effective transistor protection lies: outside the jurisdiction and objectives of all codes.  The< homeowner must exceed what is required.  Therefore effective> transistor protection is not installed even 30 years after the, transistor became standard in all buildings.  =   Ufer grounding is another of those pre WWII and well provent; concepts for lightning protection.  The technology has been = that well proven for that long.   Surge protection is definede6 by the quality of earthing - a problem that most every< pre-1990 home owner should learn of and may need to correct.  >   Since this 60+ year old knowledge is not commonly understood: by 'computer experts', then fertile ground to sell grossly9 overpriced and ineffective plug-in protectors is tilled. 5= Effective protection, instead, starts with the earthing, thats0 is unnoticed and too often forgotten or ignored.   John Smith wrote: B > Don't know about commercial construction but in residential, an A > acceptable electrical system ground can also using the rebar ins > the building footings. > = > Where I am, a typical residence will have a footing that is1D > 16"-24" wide x the full perimeter length of the foundation - oftenF > more than 150 linear feet in contact with soil below the frost line. > ? > Or we can use 2 copper rods 10' long pounded into the ground,tB > spaced at least 10' apart and connected together with #2 wire as? > the ground instead of the copper cold municipal water supply.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2005 06:28:56 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionsn! Message-ID: <erFP0OBEKi5N@wvnvms>e  N In article <4233F0B2.21B21412@hotmail.com>, w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com> writes:; >   A ten foot copper rod is a "minimally acceptable" earth ? > ground per 1990 code requirements. Again, the cold water pipeS; > is no longer considered a sufficient earth ground - which @ > should have the attention of pre-1990 homeowners.   Since most? > electricians don't have tools to measure this grounding, thene< > electricians will install two 10 foot rods as described by= > code.  Again, a single point earth ground creates a massiver< > improvement in electronics protection.  Plug-in protectors= > avoid this discussion to sell their overpriced (excessivelyt > profitable) products.   ? I may have missed it in a previous message, but what "code" arep= you talking about?  Neither the 1990 nor the 2003 NEC matches B any of the above.  I have not yet shelled out the $65 for the 2005B NEC.  Per both (2003) 250.52 (A) (1) and (1990) 250-81 (a) a MetalD Underground Water Pipe is fully acceptable as long as it is combinedF with one other acceptable Grounding Electrode.  The NEC also specifiesH a minimum of 8 foot rods which can be corrosion protected iron or steel.D The NEC has no requirement for a rod of any type if other acceptableA electrodes are used, however the code does require the cold watero@ pipe, if available (i.e., it is metal and close enough), be used* as part of the Grounding Electrode System.     George Cookg WVNETt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:34:53 -0500a  From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions_+ Message-ID: <42345D9D.B803BB32@hotmail.com>-  <    The code book does not specifically state 'why' something= is required.  It says what one must do.  You said it yourself : probably without realizing it.  The cold water pipe is not> sufficient as the earth ground.  Another separate earth ground> is required. And if that other earth ground is installed, then4 no other earthing electrode is required by the code.  >   The water pipe must be 'safety' grounded so that electricity< is removed from that pipe.  All water pipes must be grounded; (bonded) to breaker box so that a shorted wire to that pipef= does not kill someone in the shower.  Instead, the electricali7 short trips a circuit breaker because pipe is bonded to/& breaker box as still required by code.  <   The building electrical system also must be earthed.  Code9 permits a ground rod, a grounding plate, concrete encased = electrode (Ufer ground), ground ring (halo ground), and metal-< frame of the building (steel I beams).  Article 250.53(D)(2)8 says a water pipe shall be supplemented by an additional= electrode.  Why?  The cold water pipe is no longer acceptable 6 as the earth ground - a "grounding electrode system". < Pre-1990 construction requirements were changed so that cold0 water pipe does not provide sufficient earthing.  <   As you said, the water pipe is earthed as long as earthing> is provided by some other means.  IOW cold water pipe does not< have to be electrically isolated from earth.  But those cold6 water pipes are no longer acceptable as the building's7 earthing electrode.  AND cold water pipe must be safetyL: grounded - bonded - connect to the same breaker box safety> ground.  This connection that once also served as the earthing< connection must still remain; only for human safety reasons.  >   Yes, they are not explicit.  But then the code book does not> explain why.  Code only states what you must do.  Code defines= a cold water pipe as an earthing electrode is not sufficient.d  <  Defined was earthing only to meet human safety requirements9 of the NFPA.   This discussion is about transistor safety 5 requirements.  The transistor safety system uses same : components of the human safety system.  However transistor; safety makes demands that may exceed NEC requirements.  Foru8 example, that earthing wire from breaker box (and 'whole> house' protector) must be less than 10 feet, no sharp bends or7 splices, routed separately from all other wires, and bes< separate from all other earthing wires until all meet at the< single point ground.  These additional earthing requirements> are not defined by NEC which is not concerned about transistor; safety.  The NEC does want the telephone line 'whole house'e= protector (provided free by the telco) to make a less than 20@: foot connection.  But for transistor safety, you want that; same earthing wire to be less than 10 feet, no sharp bends,  etc.  ;   IOW a house that does not meet the post 1990 NEC earthing3; requirements should be upgraded, if for no other reason, to/ enhance transistor safety.   George Cook wrote:A > I may have missed it in a previous message, but what "code" are ? > you talking about?  Neither the 1990 nor the 2003 NEC matcheshD > any of the above.  I have not yet shelled out the $65 for the 2005D > NEC.  Per both (2003) 250.52 (A) (1) and (1990) 250-81 (a) a MetalF > Underground Water Pipe is fully acceptable as long as it is combinedH > with one other acceptable Grounding Electrode.  The NEC also specifiesJ > a minimum of 8 foot rods which can be corrosion protected iron or steel.F > The NEC has no requirement for a rod of any type if other acceptableC > electrodes are used, however the code does require the cold watersB > pipe, if available (i.e., it is metal and close enough), be used, > as part of the Grounding Electrode System. > 
 > George Cooky > WVNET'   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:21:32 -0500t# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d@ Subject: [OT]: NYT - More heads should roll & HP should break-up, Message-ID: <Wd2dnUHgvtwK9anfRVn-3A@igs.net>  D http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/business/yourmoney/13ceos.html?8br   March 13, 20051 See You, Carly. Goodbye, Harry. Hello, Investors.s By CONRAD DE AENLLEh  L HEN Carleton S. Fiorina was forced out in February after nearly six years asK chief executive of Hewlett-Packard, investors did not lament her departure.pD The company's stock promptly bounded to a new high. But that initialF euphoria soon gave way to a gradual reversal, leaving the stock barely0 changed from where it was before she was booted.  J The opposite market reaction, albeit more muted, occurred last Monday whenI Harry C. Stonecipher was compelled to resign as chief executive at Boeing J after revelations of a dalliance with an employee. The stock fell nearly 2E percent in the morning but recovered to finish the day about where it, started.  H Earlier that same day, the Sony Corporation announced that its chairman,F Nobuyuki Idei, was being replaced by Sir Howard Stringer, who runs theG company's American subsidiary. How did the market respond? Sony's stockc- price soared, ending the week up 5.5 percent.y  I These examples show that when the boss goes, it is hard to know which way G the stock will go. After announcements of executive departures at otheryL companies, the shares fell immediately, then rose in the days or months thatH followed (Tyco, for instance), or fell immediately, recovered, then fell again ( Coca-Cola).   L The revolving door to the executive suite seems to be spinning at a dizzyingD pace. Challenger, Gray & Christmas, the recruitment firm in Chicago,H reported 103 announcements of top-level management changes at public andF private American companies in February, the most for any month in four years.  E Market professionals assert that it is possible to reap gains after a F shakeup at the top, although they differ over how to go about it. SomeI advocate a careful study of the episode and how it may affect a company'seG future. Others suggest doing the opposite - filtering out the noise andn' focusing on the company's fundamentals.n  L Those who have studied the investment impact contend that the replacement ofG a corporate boss is often like that of a baseball team manager: after acK knee-jerk sense of relief comes a realization that it won't do much good if1J the new guy has to lead the same bunch of bums whose losing streak got the previous manager axed.  K In the same way, a company can have new leadership but still be burdened bytL a poor reputation, an unprofitable business mix and a shortage of clear waysF to extricate itself from its malaise. "Initially you get a pop becauseG people think the company's moving ahead, then they realize the problemsrH involve more than just one person, and reality sets in" said Rick Drake,/ manager of the ABN Amro Growth fund in Chicago.-  K It did not take long to set in after Ms. Fiorina departed. "It was the easy C thing to do," Mr. Drake said of her ouster, "but people forget thatiJ Hewlett-Packard, in the personal computer business, was going up against a( lot of the best companies in the world."  I Making PC's is not an easy way to earn a buck, he said, and Ms. Fiorina'sIJ purchase of a Hewlett rival, Compaq, in 2002 was the wrong move. "I didn'tC like the company before it bought Compaq," Mr. Drake said. With the H acquisition, he added, Hewlett "doubled the size of its worst business."  K Walter McCormick, head of the value equity team at Evergreen Investments inrG Boston, is willing to take a chance. "We actually have taken a positionuJ here," he said, emphasizing that he bought after Hewlett's shares had lostC much of the ground they gained in the burst after Ms. Fiorina left.y  K Mr. McCormick agrees that the PC business is a loser for Hewlett, but he iscL encouraged by its other product lines, especially printers. He hopes that anJ eventual successor to Ms. Fiorina will refocus Hewlett around printers andJ dump much of the rest of the company. "We believe that there's value there' and that it will be unlocked," he said.r  G At Boeing, Mr. Stonecipher's resignation came 15 months after Philip M.mK Condit departed as chief executive after a controversy surrounding Boeing'scB hiring of a onetime Pentagon official involved in buying aerospace, equipment, one of Boeing's major businesses.  E The stock's swift recovery on Monday showed that investors viewed thesA resignation as a "nonevent," said Colin Ferenbach, manager of thePH Tocqueville Alexis fund in New York. Mr. Stonecipher, 68, had run BoeingF once before and was brought back as an interim boss after Mr. Condit'sL departure, the fund manager noted. He was never expected to oversee Boeing's long-term strategy.'  F Decisions on whether to own Boeing and Hewlett-Packard shares take theK management changes into account, but not to the exclusion of other factors.nL That is as it should be, in the opinion of James A. Brickley, a professor ofL business administration at the University of Rochester. In fact, he said, itL is best to stand aside and ignore the frenzy on Wall Street when the boss is fired.  H "When a company fires the C.E.O. and the market's happy, the stock is upJ based on an estimate of future profits," he said. Hopping on the bandwagonL is pointless, he said, because the revaluation happens so fast that there is. no way to tell the bandwagon's next direction.  K Investors may try to profit by waiting a decent interval after a managementiL upheaval, then reassessing the company and its new leadership. In cases fromE the less recent past, including Coca-Cola and Royal Dutch/Shell, someG! investors have been disappointed.3  H If Hewlett-Packard is a company whose strategy failed, Coke is one whoseL strategy succeeded, and that became the problem, said Mr. Drake of ABN Amro.L The company expanded so fast and so far that there is precious little growthL left in the soft-drink market, he said. Douglas N. Daft, the chief executiveJ until last spring, took the fall for atrophying profits, but so did Coke'sH stock. It has dropped sharply and with little letup since Mr. Daft left.C Investors have come to believe, as they have with Hewlett, that thex8 company's problems may be too big for one person to fix.  K "Twenty years ago, Coke was expanding into many other countries," Mr. DrakefB said. "Now they can't increase penetration. The growth strategy is
 complete."  L He does not own the stock. Even after a long decline, it is trading at aboutJ the same valuation as the broad market, "probably a bit high for a company4 with a 10 percent growth rate" in earnings, he said.  K He has a similar explanation for avoiding Shell, whose chairman, Sir PhilipeH Watt, resigned a year ago when the company was found to have understatedL reserves by about 25 percent. Its earnings and share price grew as crude oilH prices continued to rise, but the stock is significantly underperforming those of other oil companies.e  K Evergreen held stock of Royal Dutch Petroleum, one of Shell's parent stockssK (the other is Shell Transport and Trading), but he sold it in February 2004rK and put the proceeds into BP, which he said has been "a very good holding."I  L Mr. Drake has no investment in Shell, either. He prefers Exxon Mobil. But heL said he might take a flier on Shell if conditions were right. "If oil pricesF stay high, you'll probably have an opportunity with Shell because it'sG broken," he said. "If they fix the problems and oil stays above $40, it ' could do better than other oil stocks."S  J ONE broken company that has been fixed, by most accounts, after the boss'sJ exit is Tyco International. The stock has risen nearly fivefold in the twoG and a half years since L. Dennis Kozlowski left as chief executive amids  allegations of widespread fraud.  L "There are a lot of good fundamental things about Tyco, but I wouldn't touchK the stock while he was there," said Mr. Ferenbach, at the Tocqueville fund, I referring to Mr. Kozlowski, who is standing trial on fraud charges in NewrI York. Mr. Ferenbach is still not touching the stock, calling it "possiblyy2 interesting" but saying he disdains conglomerates.  L Mr. McCormick holds Tyco, describing it as "a great value opportunity" afterL the company had been "overleveraged and a bit out of control." He bought theH stock at about $15 a share, he said, less than half its current price ofG $35.37. It was a long-term bet on the ability of new management to turno around the company.g  I Once Mr. Kozlowski left, Mr. McCormick said, "it took a steady hand and aoI long workout period" to set it on the right path. "I still hold the stockx today," he added.n     --F OpenVMS    - The often imitated but never advertised operating system.     begin 666 w.gifa= M1TE&.#EA+@`A`,0``/_____O[_?>WN_.SN^]O>>MK=Z<G-Z,C-:$A,YS<\YCd= M8\924KU"0KTQ,;4A(:T0$*T`````````````````````````````````````e= M`````````````````````````"'Y! $`````+ `````N`"$`0 7_8$",) F<n= M*"J4I)"^[!B@`63?]@/CO&V\CI[K=6KT;(%!#W X_HPX'9&8..(<KX+UUIAZu= M3]H>XZOL*;ZG<@]+##NG0=Z ^+"B"%O<[Q3'S;X+>3=2``:"-FQH*(96741X = M5@MH#%9[1'U77DT\8R@*5@=$4$>)BV9$"* IE'FEC#@)7J\\L0"!L*1@/0AHi= MD#T)GSB\`'4\#FXWEE\"AQ"A*)A6!8HIQ96B>034+Z,\TU.L/7->-59_1,$\s= M9U-J."BI1^LOS%9#+^DWSR?6//8H55;DJ>A!Z,0L'))2E-OB#P`^']B.C#L!-= M;XM >C@<O6B'H].)9O8>0OB&SHHV)LW66F&\X9'(0AZ.^$$@$ Z'"X X)DZIe= MZ.W@&(XV%+RTD1"-3$31QMWBL?1&PRD'(PT\)!!-MWHI1/8XI\A7P!=#=VU#n% ;T50(E2T%MZVDY66+OK$`</+@FF*3,30A```[8 `6 enda   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.144 ************************