1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 145       Contents:- Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI - Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question - RE: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question - Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question  Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark Re: History of the VMS shark% RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEO % Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO ! Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium emulator? P Re: Transferring Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please pleasepl$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions# Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control # Re: VFC Print file carriage control   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2005 15:57:05 -0800) From: "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> 6 Subject: Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUIC Message-ID: <1110758225.316104.280740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi Paul,   $pwshow gives:   NETBIOS  PWRK$ADMIN_0 PWRK$KNBDAEMON PWRK$LICENSE_R PWRK$LICENSE_S PWRK$LMBROWSER
 PWRK$LMMCP
 PWRK$LMSRV PWRK$MASTER  PWRK$MONITOR  * $admin show events (having issued $pwstop)  F %ERR, Could not load transport library: SYS$SHARE:PWRK$NBLIB_TCPIP.EXE@ -ERR "%SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed" Unable to load any transports   A All of which is very clear - but it seems to me that it should be F handled automatically in the initialisation?  This is presumably where the problem lies.   * $admin show services (just after $pwstart)G alerter, eventlog and server all started, but browser and netlogon both E start pending, and issuing the same command a moment or so later just 0 returned the LM-E-ERROR_BAD_NETPA message again.  @ No .dmp file to be found in pwrk$lmlogs: and the lmsrv_delta and9 lmmcp_delta log file didn't contain anything odd-looking.    Ideas?   Guy.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:13:54 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question< Message-ID: <6H4Zd.3797$QN1.2637@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Main, Kerry wrote:   > H > Note - This is not to say that moving from one platform to another forG > the right reasons (e.g. not wanting to deal with viruses and constant E > leaky security) is not justified, but just make sure you do all the  > right homework.   Q I am curious about Advanced Server and Messaging solutions, can one realistically Q backend Windows desktops with these in place of Windows Server 2003 and Exchange, K gaining VMS's strengths in clustering, security, TCO etc long the way? This O surely does not require application level changes and would at least get VMS in ( the door if it works and is fast enough.  ; Also, did Solaris applications ever turn up en-mase on VMS?   U Living in Windows, Outlook and Novell land at present and getting far to familar with  syware removal :-(.    regards  --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:45:35 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 6 Subject: RE: Hey Kerry - server consolidation questionR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F7B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: Tim Llewellyn [mailto:tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk]=20 > Sent: March 13, 2005 7:14 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 > Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: >=20 > >=20A > > Note - This is not to say that moving from one platform to=20 
 > another for ? > > the right reasons (e.g. not wanting to deal with viruses=20  > and constantG > > leaky security) is not justified, but just make sure you do all the  > > right homework.  >=20@ > I am curious about Advanced Server and Messaging solutions,=20 > can one realistically < > backend Windows desktops with these in place of Windows=20 > Server 2003 and Exchange, B > gaining VMS's strengths in clustering, security, TCO etc long=20 > the way? This @ > surely does not require application level changes and would=20 > at least get VMS in * > the door if it works and is fast enough. >=20= > Also, did Solaris applications ever turn up en-mase on VMS?  >=20> > Living in Windows, Outlook and Novell land at present and=20 > getting far to familar with  > syware removal :-(.  >=20   Tim,  D Advanced Server on OpenVMS has been used for high security and virusD free file-print server solutions for Windows clients for a long time now.  C Wrt to Messaging on OpenVMS, check out the recent announcement from E Stalker Software who just ported their high end messaging solution to G OpenVMS Alpha *and* Itanium. Both Alpha and Itanium versions on OpenVMS  are available today.  F http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_01252005.html (January 25, 2005) G "Stalker Software strengthens relationship with HP and offers reliable, ? highly-scalable messaging software to port to OpenVMS on the HP F Integrity server platform based on the Intel(r) Itanium(r) 2 processor  ? MILL VALLEY, Calif., (January 25, 2005) - Stalker Software, the G technology leader in e-mail, collaboration, and real-time communication H solutions, today announced the port of its flagship product, CommuniGate8 Pro, to HP OpenVMS on the HP Integrity server platform .  C CommuniGate Pro offers a wide range of functionality from groupware C features to real-time communications such as secure IM, VoIP, video F conferencing, whiteboarding, desktop and application sharing using anyF client based on Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) via the built-in SIPC server. Built-in functionalities include SMTP, POP, IMAP, directory F services, groupware for calendaring-all integrated with Web-based mail client."  	 [snip ..]   H http://www.stalker.com/content/enterprisesmb.htm (replace back end, keep' Outlook, MAPI, IMAP, Web based clients) C "[snip...] CommuniGate Pro's groupware functionality is not limited E solely to Outlook on the desktop. The integrated Webmail interface is A also a secure groupware client, supporting messaging, scheduling, H electronic discussions, and contact creation and maintenance. The server@ stores all groupware data in internet standard formats, ensuringF interoperability with other systems using standard iCalendar/vCalendar? or vCard data formats for information exchange; for example the A CommuniGate Pro server can interact with Exchange and Lotus Notes G servers, the Netscape/Mozilla calendaring client, Apple's iCAL calendar - clients, PALM calendaring applications, etc."   G Hey, all of this and no server virus's or monthly security patching ...  What a concept.   D For a recent video that includes quotes from Stalker Software, check out:@ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/integrity_video.htmlG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/integrity_video_script.html H (transcript with quotes - also includes Eurex, Ann Livermore, Jack Novia# (Senior HP VP NA Sales) and others)    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:37:40 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question, Message-ID: <naudneZhzpdiZanfRVn-rg@igs.net>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > Main, Kerry wrote: >  >>E >> Note - This is not to say that moving from one platform to another C >> for the right reasons (e.g. not wanting to deal with viruses and G >> constant leaky security) is not justified, but just make sure you do  >> all the right homework. > E > I am curious about Advanced Server and Messaging solutions, can one G > realistically backend Windows desktops with these in place of Windows B > Server 2003 and Exchange, gaining VMS's strengths in clustering,& > security, TCO etc long the way? ThisF > surely does not require application level changes and would at least > get VMS in* > the door if it works and is fast enough. > = > Also, did Solaris applications ever turn up en-mase on VMS?  > G > Living in Windows, Outlook and Novell land at present and getting far % > to familar with syware removal :-(.     H I was talking with a friend yesterday about a project he has underway toG rationalize the systems they have deployed in his rather large company, < including e-mail / groupware. He's in charge of the project.   What do they use? K Microsoft Exchange with Microsoft Outlook clients....about fifteen thousand  of them.  I So I think to myself...."Self, how about Communigate Pro w/Groupware on a & VMS cluster...sounds pretty reliable."  L Then it hits me....no PC virus scanners with any sort of committed future toJ run on VMS....ditto for spam tagging/deleting/cleaning at the server - andB by committed I mean something that has a development path ahead of@ it....something other than already having been announce to be in maintenance-only mode.  I My friend wants some AV/spam cleaner running centrally with full *vendor* G support even though they also run stuff at the PC level, because having G something cleaning/disinfecting centrally reduces the number of support  calls they have to deal with.   K Too bad, because my friend was *very* receptive to the idea of scalability, J clustering, and reliability for their servers, understanding full well theK people cost and downtime costs they currently experience with Windows-based H servers. Guess they'll just go with their Windows/Exchange servers beingA remotely administered from India to cut costs in lieu of boosting - reliability and cutting costs running on VMS.     * ******************************************& Drink the Microsoft Kool Aid, says HP." Drink the Linux Kool Aid, says HP.K We don't want to sell you something that will actually work, says HP - we'd L really rather sell you consulting and hand-holding services for that crap we foist upon you.    --/ OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system 1                      with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:33:19 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 4 Message-ID: <d1211i$crk$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  C >>Now, the Welsh flag ... that most definitely has no symmetry, and 2 >>would be one of the most blatant upside-down :-) > J > Damm, too long since I was a Boy Scout ;) So the UK does not include the- > Welsh Dragon, so what do they use instead?    B Er, nothing ... Wales is not represented in the Union Flag at all.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:23:43 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 8 Message-ID: <cl29311k2l1jthm5kob3hfcql2ja7pgflc@4ax.com>  M On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:33:19 +0000, "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  wrote:   >prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  > D >>>Now, the Welsh flag ... that most definitely has no symmetry, and3 >>>would be one of the most blatant upside-down :-)  >>K >> Damm, too long since I was a Boy Scout ;) So the UK does not include the . >> Welsh Dragon, so what do they use instead?  > C >Er, nothing ... Wales is not represented in the Union Flag at all.   P This is because Wales became part of England hundreds of years before the Act of< Union when Scotland was annexed by England (or vice versa:-)   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:01:08 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>% Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark , Message-ID: <39kk4kF608fo1U1@individual.net>   Tom Linden wrote: I > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:32:29 -0500, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>    > wrote: >  >>D >> "Mike Rechtman" <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> wrote in message# >> news:42345451.14CC6B84@hp.com...  >> >> [...snip...]  >> >>> J >>> goto http://www.polarhome.com:763/~miker/ and hold your mouse over the% >>> HP logo in the upper-left corner.  >>>  >>> Mike >>> --   >> >> Cool effect.  >  > K > I can see it with IE, but didn't work with Opera.  Is it valid HTML code?   C I put it through the W3 validator originally. I've since made some  I changes but there seems to be no problem with that particular section of   code:    R http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polarhome.com%3A763%2F~miker%2F   Mike   > ! > <A HREF="http://thenew.hp.com/" F >   onMouseOver="document.images[st].src='digital.gif' ; return true "? >   onMouseOut="document.images[st].src='hp.gif'; return true " ? >   ><IMG SRC="hp.gif" BORDER=0 WIDTH=80 HEIGHT=50 ALIGN="LEFT"  >   ALT="The new HP" ></A><P>  >  >>0 >> p.s. You should add your site to the VMS ring* >> (http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=openvms) >> >>
 >> Neil Rieck   >> Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >> Ontario, Canada. ; >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html  >> >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:02:34 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: HP on fast track to finding a CEOR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB594F7C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----? > From: prep@prep.synonet.com [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]=20  > Sent: March 12, 2005 10:38 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO >=20+ > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  >=20A > > For things on Linux that require kernel changes, IBM can only B > > request features. Linus (and associates) are the only ones who3 > > decide what and *when* kernel changes get done.  >=20 > Horse stuff... >=20C > They have the code, there is NOTHING to stop them from writing it B > themselves! Zip, nadda, nil. But they DO have to give the source > to their customers.  >=206 > What other parts of Open Souce don't you understand? >=20 > --=20 > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076  B Great - another UNIX kernel distribution for all of the ISV's LikeF Oracle to support. ISV's just love having more platforms to add to all of their support challenges.   :-)   A Remember the old "it's the applications - not the OS" argument so  familiar on this newsgroup?   G Do you really think IBM is going to go up against Red Hat and SuSe with H another Linux kernel distribution that competes with theirs? What do youD think Red Hat and Suse would do with regards to their Power platform. support if IBM came up with another Linux pkg?   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:38:57 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>. Subject: Re: HP on fast track to finding a CEO, Message-ID: <39kprcF5rrc7kU1@individual.net>   Tom Linden wrote:   L > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:50:03 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote: >  >> Karsten Nyblad wrote: >>I >>> IBM has been spending much money on Linux, but it is difficult to see 3 >>> that they have got that much revenue from that.  >> >> >>K >> IBM's Linux moves are far more strategic than it appears on the surface. E >> You need to remmener where IBM started from, a company viewed as a G >> dinosaur with its mainframes and made irrelevant in the IT industry.  >  > K > IBM has experienced a renaissance with the mainframes.  Linux will run in  > an LPAR, for example.  >   F I have heard of mainframes running a large number of Linux instances. H Existing mainframe owners can test such configurations without buying a G fleet of linux boxes for an evaluation; others may wish to consolidate  ' an existing fleet onto their mainframe.   E Of course IBM will be more than happy to sell extra processing power  A should it be required, and that is where I see them making money.   I Also, isn't it true that the supported versions of Linux (SuSE, Red Hat)  5 don't come free, as you have to buy support licences?    >>K >> From a PR perspective, the very visible Linux support helps position IBM < >> as a leader in the industry. (as opposed to an also-ran). >>F >> Being seen as a leader also helps push Power based machines to host@ >> Linux. It also tried this with its 370 mainframes earlier on. >>K >> Beeing seen as a leader also helps IBM services gets contracts to deploy I >> and support Linux based systems. Linux may be free, but support isn't.  >>I >> Another point is with IBM's own installed base. If IBM weren't seen as K >> linux expert, customers might not consider IBM and go with other vendors I >> for new Linux projects, which woudl result in net loss for IBM. With a I >> strong image of Linux expertise and solutions, IBM customers will find A >> it very easy to stay with IBM should they consider moving from  >> MVS/AIX/AS400 to Linux. >  > C > I get the impression that IBM and others are involved with Linux   > because  they I > don't want anybody else to run away with the business, should it prove   > to  be	 > viable.  >   H But IBM can make money from selling the resources and support for Linux  on mainframes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:01:15 -0800 " From: Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium emulator?1 Message-ID: <G82dnTaNAs_hY6nfRVn-sg@giganews.com>    Keith Parris wrote:  > Marco wrote: > F >> I'm basically looking for some software that will enable me to run 
 >> OpenVMS >> on my Intel-based laptop. >  >  >K >  > If I can get a VAX emulator that runs on my Intel laptop, I'm all for   > it...  > G > Either Bob Supnik's simh (http://simh.trailing-edge.com/) or Timothy  G > Stark's TS-10 (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ts10) should fill the  I > bill here. They emulate the 32-bit VAX, and are free. There's also the  I > commercial Charon-VAX product (http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/),  : > if you need support (i.e. for a production application). > E > I have simh running on my Intel-based laptop under Windows XP, and  H > OpenVMS VAX running under that. I used the OpenVMS Hobbyist media and 6 > free licenses -- see http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/ > ; >> I'd want an Itanium one also.  Why?  Just because... ;-)  >  > K > While some Itanium emulators do exist, one would probably take some more  + > development work before it could run VMS.    FYI ? Under VAX emumlation or hardware you won't be able to run java.   A see http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/faq/ovms.html#2.0 for details.   0 Q1.1: Will Java applications run on OpenVMS VAX?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:21:07 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Transferring Executables to a VAX by a tortuous route - help please pleasepl / Message-ID: <BE5A5133.92E5%roktsci@comcast.net>    On 3/13/05 9:59 AM, in articleB 1110736766.989544.70070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote:   >  > Jeff Cameron wrote:  > B >> I don't know exactly what you mean? I use Kermit-32, and I have
 > transferred E >> VAX and Alpha Executable images using both these methods for years  > now, with  > H > Actually re-reading - the clue is in your statement "VAX and Alpha" IfD > you really are running Kermit-32 on an Alpha then I'm astounded. IG > *think* it did VEST as I tried it for a laugh about '92. I have never H > heard of anyone actually compiling it on an Alpha. Frank da Cruz would3 > probably turn a funny colour at the very thought.  > G > Kermit-32 shared sourcecode with TOPS-10 Kermit-36 and was written in E > Bliss. It is very, very old and only implements a subset of current  > Kermit protocols.  >  > -- > Alan Greig > B Thank you, I will check it out and find out for certain. I base my) conclusion on the prompt being Kermit-32.    Jeff   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2005 17:18:24 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) - Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions ! Message-ID: <$XnwQQEHRA6f@wvnvms>   N In article <42345D9D.B803BB32@hotmail.com>, w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com> writes:> >    The code book does not specifically state 'why' something? > is required.  It says what one must do.  You said it yourself < > probably without realizing it.  The cold water pipe is not@ > sufficient as the earth ground.  Another separate earth ground@ > is required. And if that other earth ground is installed, then6 > no other earthing electrode is required by the code. > @ >   The water pipe must be 'safety' grounded so that electricity> > is removed from that pipe.  All water pipes must be grounded= > (bonded) to breaker box so that a shorted wire to that pipe ? > does not kill someone in the shower.  Instead, the electrical 9 > short trips a circuit breaker because pipe is bonded to ( > breaker box as still required by code. > > >   The building electrical system also must be earthed.  Code; > permits a ground rod, a grounding plate, concrete encased ? > electrode (Ufer ground), ground ring (halo ground), and metal > > frame of the building (steel I beams).  Article 250.53(D)(2): > says a water pipe shall be supplemented by an additional? > electrode.  Why?  The cold water pipe is no longer acceptable 8 > as the earth ground - a "grounding electrode system". > > Pre-1990 construction requirements were changed so that cold2 > water pipe does not provide sufficient earthing.  B The cold water pipe does in fact provide sufficient earthing.  TheB supplemental is required for practical reasons as explained later.@ The key word here is "supplemental."  The code actually permits,D in some cases, the supplemental to be bonded to the grounding system@ via a section of the cold water pipe.  The code also permits the? supplemental to be another underground piping system per (2003) E 250.52(A)(7) and 250.53(D)(2).  So a combination of metal underground @ cold water and steam pipes would be a perfectly acceptable earth; grounding system as far as the NEC is concerned.  "American < Electricians' Handbook Twelfth Edition" by Croft and Summers@ page 9-188 states "Continuous metallic underground water systemsA in general have a resistance to ground of less than 3 ohms."  The ? NEC only requires the entire grounding system provide a maximum  of 25 ohms to ground.    > >   As you said, the water pipe is earthed as long as earthing@ > is provided by some other means.  IOW cold water pipe does not> > have to be electrically isolated from earth.  But those cold8 > water pipes are no longer acceptable as the building's9 > earthing electrode.  AND cold water pipe must be safety < > grounded - bonded - connect to the same breaker box safety@ > ground.  This connection that once also served as the earthing> > connection must still remain; only for human safety reasons. > @ >   Yes, they are not explicit.  But then the code book does not@ > explain why.  Code only states what you must do.  Code defines? > a cold water pipe as an earthing electrode is not sufficient.   = The NFPA NEC 1990 Handbook does explain why: "The requirement > to supplement the metal water pipe is based on the practice of< using a plastic pipe for replacement when the original metal@ water pipe fails from corrosion, which leaves the system without> a grounding electrode where the supplementary electrode is not? provided."  See also "Practical Electrical Wiring 16th Edition" < by Richter and Schwan pages 311 to 312 which gives a similar  explanation for the requirement.   > >  Defined was earthing only to meet human safety requirements; > of the NFPA.   This discussion is about transistor safety 7 > requirements.  The transistor safety system uses same < > components of the human safety system.  However transistor= > safety makes demands that may exceed NEC requirements.  For : > example, that earthing wire from breaker box (and 'whole@ > house' protector) must be less than 10 feet, no sharp bends or9 > splices, routed separately from all other wires, and be > > separate from all other earthing wires until all meet at the> > single point ground.  These additional earthing requirements@ > are not defined by NEC which is not concerned about transistor= > safety.  The NEC does want the telephone line 'whole house' ? > protector (provided free by the telco) to make a less than 20 < > foot connection.  But for transistor safety, you want that= > same earthing wire to be less than 10 feet, no sharp bends,  > etc.  C My only point is that you shouldn't misrepresent the NEC in support  of your argument.   = >   IOW a house that does not meet the post 1990 NEC earthing = > requirements should be upgraded, if for no other reason, to  > enhance transistor safety. >  > George Cook wrote:B >> I may have missed it in a previous message, but what "code" are@ >> you talking about?  Neither the 1990 nor the 2003 NEC matchesE >> any of the above.  I have not yet shelled out the $65 for the 2005 E >> NEC.  Per both (2003) 250.52 (A) (1) and (1990) 250-81 (a) a Metal G >> Underground Water Pipe is fully acceptable as long as it is combined I >> with one other acceptable Grounding Electrode.  The NEC also specifies K >> a minimum of 8 foot rods which can be corrosion protected iron or steel. G >> The NEC has no requirement for a rod of any type if other acceptable D >> electrodes are used, however the code does require the cold waterC >> pipe, if available (i.e., it is metal and close enough), be used - >> as part of the Grounding Electrode System.  >>   >> George Cook >> WVNET   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:23:34 +1300 6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control8 Message-ID: <kgb9315sj97pe2hholoitnqdvhghnmtseb@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:16:31 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  wrote:   >Martin Hunt wrote: I >> We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they have I >> a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print  >> file carriage control". > G >Assuming this is on ongoing process, you might consider modifying the  5 >Cobol program to create the file in a usable format.   @ I have checked with the developers, and this is part of a fairly= complex subroutine which is called by a large number of other D programs. Modifying the code is not something that they are prepared to do.   > I >But if you don't have source code, as JF posted, CONVERT should be able  @ >to do what you want, using FDL files to define the output file.  C No, that doesn't work. You need to look up about Print file format. D Quite a number of records contain a skip-lines count, as part of theF 2-byte header. Convert needs to convert these to multiple records, and it does not do that.   ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:36:31 +1300 6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control8 Message-ID: <pdc931dsdfs536jbouj2v20ea349d2ci70@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:41:23 +0100, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote:   >Martin Hunt wrote:  > I >> We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they have I >> a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print  >> file carriage control".F >> We want to ftp these files to a non-VMS system, and print them fromG >> there. The VFC part, including carriage control, lines to skip, etc, : >> gets stripped off, so the files do not print correctly. >>  D >> Is there a utility available, to convert these files to something; >> (e.g., Stream) which can be safely ftp'ed to the server?  >>  I >> I have already experimented with using an TCP/IP LPD print queue to do G >> the conversion, which I could probably use if necessary, but it is a  >> lilttle messy.  >>   > @ >If you can recompile from source, try COBOL/NOVFC as an option.  ? I should've said that we are using VAX. I think the /NOVFC only  applies to Alpha.    > 4 >Also, here's a BASIC program to convert such files: > # >http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/  >  >Then query on:  > < >Converting VFC-formatted Files To Sequential Variable Files  B Thanks, found an article with a COBOL example, as well. It says itE wouldn't be expected to work on VAX, but I don't know why. I will see   if I can get it working, anyway.   ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:59:18 +1300 6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control8 Message-ID: <8kd931l2qmuv5ce393dg9t36u253o9nvpl@4ax.com>  A On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:37:18 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    >  >  >  >  >  > E >Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> wrote on 03/10/2005 
 >10:20:33 PM:  >  >>I >> We have some files which have generated by a Cobol program - they have I >> a record format of "VFC, 2 byte header" and record atributes of "Print  >> file carriage control".F >> We want to ftp these files to a non-VMS system, and print them fromG >> there. The VFC part, including carriage control, lines to skip, etc, : >> gets stripped off, so the files do not print correctly. >>D >> Is there a utility available, to convert these files to something; >> (e.g., Stream) which can be safely ftp'ed to the server?  >>I >> I have already experimented with using an TCP/IP LPD print queue to do G >> the conversion, which I could probably use if necessary, but it is a  >> lilttle messy.  >> > G >I have a BASIC program to do this that I got from the CSC (via DSNLINK  >IIRC), > >and it has the VFC decode in it.  Let me know if you want it.  D I've found that, or a similar program in the HP support web site, as; referred to in Paul Sture's response. It also refers to the C CONVERT/FIXED qualifier, which outputs the VFC data into the output F file, which can then be interpreted by another program. I think I will' have a look at what I can do with that.      >  >> --- >> Martin Hunt >> Systems Administrator >> Fairfax New Zealand Limited
 >> Wellington  >> New Zealand     ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:12:04 +1300 6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control8 Message-ID: <4je9319jadt3an3p29g36ualrmammq5kvl@4ax.com>  A On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:36:50 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    >  >  >  > ? >I notice that your output is SEQ,VAR,with CR carriage control.  > : >Does TECO preserve formfeeds or use some other algorithm?1 >Does it understand all the possibilities in VFC?  >  > < >"JLR" <jl.rayon@gmail.com> wrote on 03/11/2005 11:11:40 AM: > I >> We use the folowing command file (called VFCVAR.COM where <ESC> is the G >> escape character) to convert VFC files to variable files before send ) >> them by FTP to other operating system:  >> >> $edit /teco 'P1'  >> EXIT<ESC><ESC>  >> $exit  @ Pure magic! I wish I knew a bit more about TECO. Using that will$ certainly save a lot of programming.         ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:16:10 +1300 6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>, Subject: Re: VFC Print file carriage control8 Message-ID: <joe9319aehs0mb8fevgdg49lcqumijs7rc@4ax.com>  . On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:25:20 +0000, John Laird# <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:   0 >On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:20:33 +1300, Martin Hunt, ><martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> wrote: >    > L >Do they TYPE okay to a terminal on your VMS system ?  In my experience, theL >terminal driver (and likewise print symbionts) do all the right things withG >Fortran carriage control (a subtly different thing, but along the same M >lines).  Problems arise when output is directed to a non-terminal device, or = >the utility being used to copy the data is not smart enough.u   Yes, they TYPE ok.   > M >If you could use TYPE and capture the output, then you'd be off and running.nG >However, TYPE/OUT abjectly fails to "convert" Fortran carriage control H >files.  So does CONVERT.  I've just tested the TCP/IP FTP client with aH >Windows server and it leaves these carriage-control characters in, too.  B A TYPE/OUTPUT which converts between record formats would be good.A TYPE/OUTPUT usually functions no differently than a COPY command.r   > G >Browsing the hp.com website, there is ample documentation in the C RTLFH >suggesting that a C program, with the correct fopen options, may do theC >conversion on-the-fly for you (creating blank records, etc).  See: = >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/5763/5763pro_006.html- >-M >Of course, this begs the question of why the FTP client doesn't do this too.0 >r > L >However, I think it is slightly unclear what you require.  You mention thatK >the carriage control information is stripped off - if it *was* transmittedsK >as part of the record, would your non-VMS system know what to do with it ?NL >(Is the interpretation of prefix and postfix characters o/s independent, inI >other words.  Seems unlikely to me.)  Or are you really requiring FTP toRG >perform the equivalent of what TYPE and PRINT do, which is to make the"J >records look right by adding suitable carriage-control to the transmitted >data ?o  ( Yes, it is the latter which is required.  > It appears that EDIT/TECO will do the job (see earlier posts).   ---o Martin Huntr Systems Administratorb Fairfax New Zealand Limitedv
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