1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 148       Contents:- Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI  Re: Configure issue  Re: DecWindows Redraw  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE ) Re: DSPP emails- how do I make them STOP? ) Re: DSPP emails- how do I make them STOP?  Re: Free 4GB disks* RE: FW: DECC : toupper/tolower performance- Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question - Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question - Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question - Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question  Re: History of the VMS sharkA Magnetic tape filenames become case sensitive in extended parsing E Re: Magnetic tape filenames become case sensitive in extended parsing 5 Re: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB? 5 Re: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB? , Problems reading HTML data using FTP sockets0 Re: Problems reading HTML data using FTP sockets Re: Relative Record Number Re: Relative Record Number( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T( Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T Re: SCSI Controller for XP-1000  Re: TSM questions?$ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?< Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?1 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.2, ORACLE Classic] Status ?  [OT]: Windows anti-spyware  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:19:15 -0500 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>6 Subject: Re: Changing Pathworks transport from NetBEUI, Message-ID: <d16qt5$jts$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,   5 "Guy Morris" <guy@sitevision.co.nz> wrote in message  = news:1110860629.936184.261580@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...  > Hi,  > H > elfread told me that the server was unable to promote itself to masterF > browser, because another machine had already done so.  I didn't lookB > too carefully as the message about protected images having to beG > installed looked like the likely culprit for the problem.  The server F > is configured for ten clients, but it is unlikely in the near futureI > that there will be more then two.  Do I even need the license server to 
 > be running?  > I > I'm away from the machine (at the other end of the country for the next F > few days) so can't immediately check to see the effect of increasingD > the number of client sessions.  I'll check that when I get back to > base.  >  > Guy. >   @ No, you don't need the license server, but if you've been using J "client-based" licensing, it may be for a reason :o).  Is this the _only_ J PATHWORKS server clients connect to?  If yes, then server-based licensing  should suffice.   K With the server configured for 10 clients, you'll end up with a maximum of  G 35 session slots.   On my v6.1 server which is NOT running the license  K server, I see it using 15 slots.  Combine that with the 22 reserved by the  J License Server and you get 37 - you're toast.   I admit the configuration 5 utility shouldn't get you into this situation, but...   % To see the sessions I'm referring to:   # $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands 4 $ pwstart   ! Start PATHWORKS if not already running $ nbshow knb  M The number you see in the center of the dashed line is the maximum number of  M session slots available for use (should be "number-of-clients"+25).     Then  K you'll see the various slots used "internally"; when clients establish TCP  / sessions, they'll appear in the list as well...   = If you do wish to revert to server-based licensing, you must:    $ pwstop $ pwcon   M When you get to the menu of options where you specify you're domain name and  M role, option 1 allows you to toggle use of the License Server.  When you get  M to the end of PWRK$CONFIG and are prompted "Do you want to start PATHWORKS",  - respond NO.   A bit more cleanup is required:   < $ rename pwrk$license:*.dat *.old    ! Or you can delete 'em  G Now you can start PATHWORKS.    The pwrk$license_s process will not be  J started.   Now $ nbshow knb should show you have not used every available  slot.   J Use $ PWLIC to check the status of server-based license availability/use. L Use $ ADMIN/ANALYZE[/SINCE] to check for license related errors (especially L if the client gets some odd message about the maximum number of connections K to the server being exceeded).    See sys$startup:pwrk$license_r_start.com  J for logical names which can be defined to extend the logging performed by B the pwrk$license_r process (which is responsible for checking for K client-based licenses and assigning server-based licenses).  It's log file  3 is pwrk$logs:pwrk$license_registrar_<nodename>.log.    Paul     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:10:30 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Configure issue- Message-ID: <87zmx5f6tl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> writes:   ? > We use a specialty application that installs a command called C > "configuration", or "config" for short, to access a number of its E > features.  When I recently applied the newest patches to the system @ > (7.3-1 with cumulative update 5 plus some others) this commandC > stopped working.  When looking at help I noticed a command called F > "configure galaxy" that I've never used before.  Is it possible thatA > the updates somehow reconfigured the "configuration" command to 3 > point to this program?  If so... how do I fix it?   @ Rename your `CONFIGURE' to `BRAINDEAD_CONFIGURE', for a suitableB degree of braindeath. The will be, due to the `_', immune to being= fixed by hp. Until industry standard improves that as well...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:24:02 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: DecWindows Redraw1 Message-ID: <C_DZd.1712$iG.1263@news.cpqcorp.net>   C Not that I am aware of.  The patch was generated for a customer and D consolidates a handful of fixes that had been handled in the past by0 DECwindows giving customers specific new images.  C Off the top of my head, the fixes restore the VMS-specific behavior G of doing a lib$signal in the default Xlib exit handlers, a problem with B images (XPutImage) that are *very* wide, and a memory leak in someB motif code.   Also I think there was some fix to some obscure IMG$
 libraries.  A Is there a reason for your staying on V7.3-1 instead of the (much  better) V7.3-2?   . "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote in message< news:1110831987.161938.85900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...G > I noticed that HP just released a MOTIF update patch for 7.3-2 (i.e., H > DWMOTIF 1.3-1).  We are running 7.3-1 (MOTIF 1.3).  Is a similar patch > expected for 7.3-1?  > 	 > Thanks,  > Bobby  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:09:32 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE& Message-ID: <4236A64C.65E997A2@hp.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > K > OK, now how about the new option I've been asking to ahve included for at  > least TWO DECADES: >  > $ set term /NOTYPO > < You get that automagically when you install the DWIM package   Mike   > :-)  > L > (you can see why I need it above, that was an accident, but I deliberately% > left it as it came off my keyboard)  > E >         Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"  <... sig snipped...> --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:25:51 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE= Message-ID: <4236aa64$0$78288$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Bob Kaplow wrote: K > OK, now how about the new option I've been asking to ahve included for at  > least TWO DECADES: >  > $ set term /NOTYPO >  > :-)  > L > (you can see why I need it above, that was an accident, but I deliberately% > left it as it came off my keyboard)   J http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/workingdaze-20050315.html   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2005 11:39:31 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE0 Message-ID: <slrnd3dibk.ffu.thierry@MARS.Family>  = On 2005-03-15, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: m > In article <4236aa64$0$78288$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  > M >> http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/workingdaze-20050315.html  > 
 > Blank page.  > K > It seems to expect browser security to be dropped by enabling Javascript.   U http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/images/workingdaze20122064050315.jpg    :-)    Thierry    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 05:35:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE3 Message-ID: <jcV$GJw4e3TI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <4236A64C.65E997A2@hp.com>, Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> writes:  > Bob Kaplow wrote:  >>  L >> OK, now how about the new option I've been asking to ahve included for at >> least TWO DECADES:  >>   >> $ set term /NOTYPO  >>  > > You get that automagically when you install the DWIM package >  > Mike  3 Why should one have to _install_ the DWIM package ?   ( I need it there prior to hardware boot !   >> :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 05:37:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE3 Message-ID: <+SrOGmEd75Za@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <4236aa64$0$78288$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:   L > http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/workingdaze-20050315.html   Blank page.   I It seems to expect browser security to be dropped by enabling Javascript.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 11:50:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE3 Message-ID: <QvoAqNqSdnVw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <slrnd3dibk.ffu.thierry@MARS.Family>, Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes:? > On 2005-03-15, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: n >> In article <4236aa64$0$78288$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes: >>N >>> http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/workingdaze-20050315.html >> >> Blank page. >>L >> It seems to expect browser security to be dropped by enabling Javascript. > W > http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/images/workingdaze20122064050315.jpg    That works.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:30:35 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: DSPP emails- how do I make them STOP?, Message-ID: <gq-dnZTmlMPgfqvfRVn-hA@igs.net>   DeanW wrote:H > Ever since attending IDF in December, I get DSPP emails that I have noC > interest in. There appears to be no way of making them stop. It's D > really not making me feel warm and fuzzy. Anyone have a contact of@ > someone who controls that list, or do I just blacklist hp.com?     Dean,    Which is it that you desire:$ a) to stop receiving all DSPP email, or/ b) stop receiving email about certain products?    --0 OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:52:56 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: DSPP emails- how do I make them STOP?7 Message-ID: <3f119ada0503150752379befeb@mail.gmail.com>   F On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:30:35 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > DeanW wrote:J > > Ever since attending IDF in December, I get DSPP emails that I have noE > > interest in. There appears to be no way of making them stop. It's F > > really not making me feel warm and fuzzy. Anyone have a contact ofB > > someone who controls that list, or do I just blacklist hp.com? >  > Dean,  >  > Which is it that you desire:& > a) to stop receiving all DSPP email,  A Yes, please. Maybe I'm simple, but just because I went to IDF and ? there's an rx2600 in my garage doesn't mean I want all the DSPP > blather. Particularly frustrating is that they start "Per your; request, here is information about..." when I've explicitly E unsubscribed from all content. that, with no working link to allow me : to stop receiving this, makes it feel particularly spammy.  1 > b) stop receiving email about certain products?   C I've opted out of everything I can opt out of for now, until I have ! cycles to think about IA64 again.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:43:32 +0100 , From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> Subject: Re: Free 4GB disks = Message-ID: <42362fb3$0$80881$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>   K Will these things run on a 2000-300 (aka Jensen) ?  I think I tried it once D with an adapter and it failed.  Maybe a narrow SCSI 4.3GB will work.K (and no, I am not going to buy another alpha to play with, one is enough, I % could just use a bit more disc space)   	 Dr. Dweeb    shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote: 9 >> Are there adaptors to 50 pin ribbon cable connectors ?  > H > Yes, but surely a ST15150N (4.3 gig narrow) these days is cheaper thanD > a $20 adapter?  I see bunches of those drives go without buyers atE > $0.99 on E-bay.  I was buying them for real $ used in the 1998-1999 F > timeframe, but I gave all of those away in the last couple of years. >  > Tim.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 06:37:21 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)3 Subject: RE: FW: DECC : toupper/tolower performance 3 Message-ID: <$SQJdYo$3wxk@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05F64E@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>, "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:  > < > I apologise to the group, I was unaware that was the case. > N > Well I am now on *a* Microsoft machine, but I wasn't then.  It looks like I=N > 'm going to have to borrow a colleague's machine anytime I want to send mai= > l :-(  >   , Can you SSH or Telnet to the outside world ?  H If so, then you can get an account on Eisner. Telnet to eisner.decus.org to get started.    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:00:30 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk6 Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question) Message-ID: <d16m9e$o93$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <d391276d.0503141643.6e0cca7b@posting.google.com>, greigaln@netscape.net (Alan Greig) writes: >Tim Llewellyn wrote:  > X >> Living in Windows, Outlook and Novell land at present and getting far to familar with >> syware removal :-(. > A >I don't normally recommend people immediately download Microsoft A >Products but I urge anyone running Windows to download Microsoft B >Anti-Spyware Beta unless you are  absolutely sure of your systemsG >integrity. It found and fixed a number of problems some other products C >didn't. Not written by Microsoft, they just purchased the company.  > E >It implements dynamic protection so it's not just a case of cleaning C >up after the infection. The amount of spyware sitting on a typical ? >windows machine is truly astonishing. Much is potentially more F >destructive than most actual viruses and *many* allow complete remoteG >control of the infected machine. It seems to me that spyware is just a  >virus with a copyright notice.  > F >Even if you are happy with a current anti-spyware product I recommend >checking it out.  > 6 The ones most security people seem to recommend are :-  	 Ad-Aware     http://www.lavasoft.de  3 The personal edition is free for non commercial use      and      SpyBot search and destroy   - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html    which is free for any use.      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >--  >Alan Greig    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 05:52:09 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>6 Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation questionC Message-ID: <1110894729.644445.129050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:    > > 8 > The ones most security people seem to recommend are :- > 
 > Ad-Aware >  > http://www.lavasoft.de > 5 > The personal edition is free for non commercial use   E This is the one I normally use. However it does not provide real-time A protection of any kind in the free version. Your registry will be G infected and programs stuck into startup along with IE hijacking before C adaware runs. I have  also seen a few things adaware doesn't remove  which MS Anti-Spyware fixed.   >  > and  >  >  > SpyBot search and destroy  > / > http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html     Again this is cleanup only IIRC.  B As an example take the spyware infested Kazaa. Installing it (as aE test) required me to override several security (valid!) warnings with A MS Anti-Spyware. Telling it to clean-up later succesfully removed C everything. Although not before I watched several megabytes of data @ head out from my machine via the spyware apps even without Kazaa running.     > which is free for any use.  G Again if you are happy with what you have then stick with it but so far D MS Anti-Spyware seems the most comprehensive free product I've seen.> Whether it will be free after the Beta I just don't know. It'sC highlighted on the Microsoft home page if anyone wants to give it a  try.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:56:59 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk6 Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation question) Message-ID: <d16t3r$qeg$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   p In article <1110894729.644445.129050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: >   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >  >> >9 >> The ones most security people seem to recommend are :-  >> >> Ad-Aware  >> >> http://www.lavasoft.de  >>6 >> The personal edition is free for non commercial use > F >This is the one I normally use. However it does not provide real-timeB >protection of any kind in the free version. Your registry will beH >infected and programs stuck into startup along with IE hijacking beforeD >adaware runs. I have  also seen a few things adaware doesn't remove >which MS Anti-Spyware fixed.  >  >> >> and >> >> >> SpyBot search and destroy >>0 >> http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html > ! >Again this is cleanup only IIRC.  > ? You can immunize your system against infection with spybot S&D.  There are 3 levels to this   1) Basic IE blocker      H    Tweaks internal settings in IE to block installation of known spyware    installers..    This blocks installers by their ActiveX ID.  J    This is an all or nothing option - if you want to allow some installersE    to work and block others then the author recommends using the free 2    JavaCools spyware blaster together with Spybot.    8    (There is also an version of this blocker for Opera).          2) Resident.O    This is a permanently running browser helper for IE that will block download     of files known as malicious.    3) TeaTimer   M    The resident TeaTimer perpetually monitors the processes called/initiated. H    It immediately detects known malicious processes wanting to start andG    terminates them giving you various options with how to deal with the >    processes in the future and whether to cleanup it's files.   L    In addition Teatimer detects when something wants to change some criticalJ    registry keys and prompts you as to whether or not to allow the change.6    TeaTimer runs in the background and uses about 5MB.        C >As an example take the spyware infested Kazaa. Installing it (as a F >test) required me to override several security (valid!) warnings withB >MS Anti-Spyware. Telling it to clean-up later succesfully removedD >everything. Although not before I watched several megabytes of dataA >head out from my machine via the spyware apps even without Kazaa 	 >running.  >  >  >> which is free for any use.  >           H >Again if you are happy with what you have then stick with it but so farE >MS Anti-Spyware seems the most comprehensive free product I've seen. ? >Whether it will be free after the Beta I just don't know. It's D >highlighted on the Microsoft home page if anyone wants to give it a >try.  >   K I'll probably give it a go at some point. However I have heard some reports 0 that it produces quite a lot of false positives.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >--  >Alan Greig  >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 07:34:52 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>6 Subject: Re: Hey Kerry - server consolidation questionC Message-ID: <1110900892.451771.244240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:      > >> SpyBot search and destroy > >>2 > >> http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html > > # > >Again this is cleanup only IIRC.  > > A > You can immunize your system against infection with spybot S&D.  > There are 3 levels to this  C I'll probably take a look at this again. Looks like it has improved  quite a bit from what you say.   > E > >As an example take the spyware infested Kazaa. Installing it (as a C > >test) required me to override several security (valid!) warnings  withD > >MS Anti-Spyware. Telling it to clean-up later succesfully removedF > >everything. Although not before I watched several megabytes of dataC > >head out from my machine via the spyware apps even without Kazaa  > >running.  > >    > E > I'll probably give it a go at some point. However I have heard some  reports 2 > that it produces quite a lot of false positives.  B Things sometimes come up as "under investigation". You do have theB option of submitting your decision to override a recommendation toG spynet if you believe the program to be safe. It's more "false dubious" E than "false positive" from what I've seen so far. Hopefully this will @ improve with the Beta process. MS Anti-Spyware is based on Giant Anti-Spyware btw.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 07:33:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: History of the VMS shark 3 Message-ID: <f3K$Z3Bw68+M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <4236A0B7.4FE42F6D@hp.com>, Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> writes:  > B > Well, the page is a modified copy of the home page created on anB > Alphaserver 300 at work, created and edited using TPU, while theJ > relevant polarhome server is also an Alpha under VMS. So nothing but VMS& > in the creation and serving phases.   A    And works as advertised using Mozilla build 200020530 on a VMS 
    client.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 09:11:46 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)J Subject: Magnetic tape filenames become case sensitive in extended parsing3 Message-ID: <cSJ2vyWHAJe8@eisner.encompasserve.org>    This is on VMS 7.3-1  J When using $ set process/parse=extended, filenames on magnetic tape become case sensitive:   G (Note the use of the uppercase DATA1.BCK in the second backup command.)   B $ backup/log/select=[xxxxxx]*.* mka200:data1.bck [clubleys.xxxxxx]* %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked1 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP mounted on _XXXX$MKA200: B %BACKUP-F-OPENIN, error opening MKA200:[000000]data1.bck; as input" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file $ dismount/nounload mka200: B $ backup/log/select=[xxxxxx]*.* mka200:DATA1.BCK [clubleys.xxxxxx]* %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked1 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP mounted on _XXXX$MKA200: = %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created DRA1:[CLUBLEYS.XXXXXX]XXXXXX.FDL;2   7 (I've replaced node and directory information with X's)    Is this intended behaviour ?   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 08:48:28 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> N Subject: Re: Magnetic tape filenames become case sensitive in extended parsingC Message-ID: <1110905308.795891.217720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   ! I bet this gets plenty responses!   G Seems to me that the VMS documentation on on this subject in the _Guide G to OpenVMS File Applications_ is a bit dated. (All my references are to B the version listed for VMS V8.2 on official doc page. You can find3 chapter and verse at either of the following links:   J http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4506/4506pro_002.html#103_hdr1label http://tinyurl.com/4ljno    E It would be awkward to cut and paste all the appropriate information, F but here are a few relevant lines you will find on the page referenced above:  6 > Lowercase characters are not in the [ASCII] "a" set,  @ > OpenVMS file specifications are a subset of ANSI magnetic tape
 > file names.   A > An ANSI magnetic tape file name consists of a 17-character name @ > string, a period, a semicolon, and an optional version number.= > You can specify a name string consisting of a maximum of 17  > ASCII "a" characters ...  A Since ODS-5 and mixed-case filenames came along this has not been  entirely true.  # A little farther down we also read:   E > Lowercase characters are not in the ASCII "a" character set, but if = > you specify them, OpenVMS systems convert them to uppercase 
 > characters.   E Regardless of whether the behavior Simon reports is intended, I'd say D this part of the tape labelling documentation needs revised to clear
 things up.  ? (Does Backup further complicate the issue of tape labels here?)      -- Galen    Simon Clubley wrote: > This is on VMS 7.3-1 > E > When using $ set process/parse=extended, filenames on magnetic tape  become > case sensitive:  >  > (example snipped)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:01:05 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Subject: Re: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB?0 Message-ID: <lxEZd.1715$vM.650@news.cpqcorp.net>  ^ In article <1110568640.231451.154890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes:  D :Apparently the Mozilla group is not going to produce Mozilla 1.8 or5 :later; only maintenance releases to Mozilla while...  ..C :Since the VMS browser is Mozilla based, and apparently porting the H :standalone components mentioned requires updates to underlying packagesH :(GTK?  I can't remember what was posted), what impact will this have onH :future updates and availability of a VMS browser from HP?  Is there anyD :chance that Firefox and Thunderbird (at least!) will become the new :porting sources down the road?   E   Mozilla.org has indicated that 1.7-? will be around for a while and E   specifically because there are packages based on it, and there is a D   port of Mozilla 1.7 available for OpenVMS -- the Mozilla port thatD   is available (at www.mozilla.org) is rather newer than the versionE   within the Secure Web Browser (SWB), but the newest OpenVMS port is <   not the newest 1.7 version that is available from Mozilla.  E   I don't know that a Mozilla port for Integrity is available as yet.   J   To lobby for Firefox and Thunderbird ports (for Alpha or for Integrity),E   you will want to use your formal contacts, the support center, your F   local OpenVMS Ambassador, etc. -- customer requests and new work areI   continuously being scheduled, of course, based on the arriving customer I   input (requests and problem reports), on upcoming hardware products and I   platforms, and on available engineering cycles.  (As usual, of course.)    	--   G   As for another question in this thread, I would not expect to see the G   older Alpha systems see significant performance improvements with the J   Mozilla or related technologies -- I'd be looking at EV6 series systems,I   or later.  As I have mentioned before, the slowest Alpha microprocessor J   I would consider with Mozilla is an EV56, and that is both old and slow.  G   I'd also be looking at Integrity, of course, but that won't help with D   this particular case right now, due to the lack (AFAIK) of a port.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 09:08:23 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Mozilla suite freezing; whats to become of HPSWB?B Message-ID: <1110906503.670889.90520@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  A I haven't read into this in depth but it looks like the SeaMonkey E project is aimed at keeping up development of the Mozilla Application E Suite--now apparently codenamed SeaMonkey--which includes the browser C that Secure Web Browser is based on. It will be done as a community 2 effort, though, and not by the Mozilla Foundation.  E Mitchell Baker, president of the Mozilla Foundation, has a blog entry 9 from March 10 with a lot more information. Take a look at  http://tinyurl.com/4lu22 The direct, full link is: O http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2005/03/community_trans_1.html   ( Sounds like they could use volunteers...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:05:29 -0000 , From: "Ian Dean" <Ian.d.dean@baesystems.com>5 Subject: Problems reading HTML data using FTP sockets 3 Message-ID: <4236b1a4$1_1@baen1673807.greenlnk.net>    Hi, F     We have 2 Alpha machines, M1 (OpenVMS 7.1) and M2 (OpenVMS 7.3 and8 Apache server) that are communicating using FTP sockets.G     M2 packets data up within HTML pages, passes this to M1 where it is K decoded. However, data oftten "goes missing", sometimes unexpected <CR><LF> J characters are added to the decoded data. Furthermore using Mosaic to read8 this data fails to read more than approx 5k of the data.J     Using the same command under IE on a PC results in all the data and no corruption.   J     Is there something that needs configuring on M1? Has anyone some ideas where I could start looking?   Regards,     Ian    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 06:49:30 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)9 Subject: Re: Problems reading HTML data using FTP sockets 3 Message-ID: <KCJOZdfpiQ1J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <4236b1a4$1_1@baen1673807.greenlnk.net>, "Ian Dean" <Ian.d.dean@baesystems.com> writes: > Hi, H >     We have 2 Alpha machines, M1 (OpenVMS 7.1) and M2 (OpenVMS 7.3 and: > Apache server) that are communicating using FTP sockets.I >     M2 packets data up within HTML pages, passes this to M1 where it is M > decoded. However, data oftten "goes missing", sometimes unexpected <CR><LF> L > characters are added to the decoded data. Furthermore using Mosaic to read: > this data fails to read more than approx 5k of the data.L >     Using the same command under IE on a PC results in all the data and no
 > corruption.  > L >     Is there something that needs configuring on M1? Has anyone some ideas > where I could start looking? >   K I would start by using something like Ethereal to verify that the data beeneJ transmitted to both clients was the same. I would also use Ethereal to see@ what commands were actually been used to set up the FTP session.  K Do the attributes on the files in question actually agree with the contents H of the files ? (Ie: transferring a file in binary mode that actually hadF stream structure internally, but had variable length record attributesG would succeed, but would fail if transferred in ascii mode. The clientseG may be setting up the sessions differently, hiding attribute problems.)o  3 Ethereal is available from http://www.ethereal.com/    Simon.   -- SB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:42:29 +0100 ) From: "Jan van der Weijde" <JanW@WRQ.com>m# Subject: Re: Relative Record Numbera0 Message-ID: <113dbg5qd5pj54c@corp.supernews.com>  ) <dooleys@snowy.net.au> schreef in berichtb< news:1110848883.210493.25160@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >  > Jan van der Weijde wrote:a
 > > Hello, > >TF > > for an RMS adapter I am writing in C I need to know how to get the	 > RRN forTI > > all RMS file organizations that support it. The adapter is capable of G > > accessing relative and sequential RMS files. Random access using anh > RRN isG > > already possible, however I also like to have the RRN value after aS	 > sys$geti > > and sys$put.I > > For relative files I think the bucket code field rab$l_bkt of the RAB C > > structure contains the RRN after get and put. Is that correct ?-F > > And what structure field can I use to retrieve the RRN value for a$ > > sequential (fixed record) file ? > >  > > Thank you, > > Jane( > >From RMS reference manual section 7.8 > RAB$L_KBFGG > When the RAB$B_RAC (record access mode) field specifies random access1I > by key value, this field provides the address of a buffer that containshI > the key of the desired record. The key is the relative record number inoH > files that are organized for relative access or in files organized for4 > sequential access containing fixed-length records. > Phil >k  
 Thank you,J but as far as I know the field RAB$L_KBF is only used to randomly select aF record, so as input to a system service. I also need to have an RRN as& output after a sequential read or add.  L The Guide to OpenVMS File Applications section 8.4.1.2 Random Access writes:G "You can use the relative record number to randomly retrieve and insert D records in sequential files having fixed-length records. Records areK numbered in ascending order, starting with number 1." and "When accessing a,E sequential file randomly by relative record number, your program musteI provide the record number at symbolic offset RAB$L_KBF and must specify as: key length of 4 at symbolic offset RAB$B_KSZ, in the RAB."  F I tried looking at the contents of field RAB$L_KBF after a sys$put and: sys$get (using RAB$C_SEQ), but could not find a valid RRN.   Jan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:22:05 +0100e) From: "Jan van der Weijde" <JanW@WRQ.com>t# Subject: Re: Relative Record Numbert0 Message-ID: <113dobr8vfvmtd9@corp.supernews.com>  < Thanks for the detailed answer Hein, it worked like a charm!  H I guess the calculated RRN is only valid for sequential files with fixed length records.hI For relative files the bucket code is used and for indexed and sequential 8 files with variable length records the RRN is of no use.   Mvgr,) Jan   5 "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> schreef in berichth+ news:1ghZd.1593$SP7.637@news.cpqcorp.net...  >e6 > "Jan van der Weijde" <JanW@WRQ.com> wrote in message, > news:113ammc781v3c54@corp.supernews.com...
 > > Hello, > >hJ > > for an RMS adapter I am writing in C I need to know how to get the RRN foreI > > all RMS file organizations that support it. The adapter is capable of K > > accessing relative and sequential RMS files. Random access using an RRN  isG > > already possible, however I also like to have the RRN value after aa	 > sys$get! > > and sys$put. >m > I > > For relative files I think the bucket code field rab$l_bkt of the RABtC > > structure contains the RRN after get and put. Is that correct ?l >  > Yes. >sF > > And what structure field can I use to retrieve the RRN value for a$ > > sequential (fixed record) file ? >r > I don't think you can.1 > You can calculate from the returned RFA though:uI > block minus 1 times 512 plus bytes divided by record size rounded up to  even4 > number and then add one, because RRN start at 1 ?! > Something like:tB > RRN = 1 + ((RAB$L_RFA0 - 1)*512 + RAB$W_RFA4)/ (( RSZ +1)  & -2) >sI > Yikes, and then you potentially have to add 'record does not span blockb  > boundary' logic. Double yikes.; > Hmmm... trivial for RMS to do, and a hassle for a program  > Maybe just use the RFA?- >- > Here is a quick test:... >: > $CREATE TMP.Cm > $ type tmp.c > #include <rms> > #include <stdio> > #define MAXRECSIZ 32767s >r > main (int argc, char *argv[])m > {y > struct FAB      fab; > struct RAB      rab;; > int             vbn, id, size;  char recbuf[MAXRECSIZ+1]; " > int             i, j, stat, num; >o > fab = cc$rms_fab;W > rab = cc$rms_rab;d > fab.fab$b_fac = FAB$M_GET; > fab.fab$l_fna = argv[1];$ > fab.fab$b_fns = STRLEN( argv[1] ); > stat = SYS$OPEN ( &fab );n > if (!(stat&1)) return stat;m >d > rab.rab$l_fab = &fab;l > rab.rab$l_ubf = recbuf;e > rab.rab$w_usz = MAXRECSIZ; > stat = SYS$CONNECT ( &rab ); > if (!(stat&1)) return stat;  > stat = SYS$GET ( &rab );H > while (stat & 1)        /* count record while RMS status is success */ > { B >     printf ("%6d,%-4d %6d %s\n", rab.rab$l_rfa0, rab.rab$w_rfa4,  >        rab.rab$l_bkt, recbuf); >     stat = SYS$GET ( &rab ); > }e+ > if (stat == RMS$_EOF) stat = RMS$_NORMAL;  > return stat; > }c > * > $CONVERT/PAD/TRUN/FDL=SYS$INPUT: TMP.SEQ > record; size 64  > <exit> > aap  > noot > mies > <exit>) > $ CONVERT/FDL=SYS$INPUT tmp.seq tmp.rele > file; organization relativee > record; size 64s > <exit> > $ tmp:=="$SYS$DISK:[]TMP " > $ tmp tmp.seql >      1,0         0 aap >      1,64        0 noot- >      1,128       0 mies  > $ tmp tmp.rel  >      1,0         1 aap >      2,0         2 nootj >      3,0         3 mies  >s > Groetjes,d > Hein.1 >@ >s >q   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:52:30 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T 6 Message-ID: <00A40C70.F7561FE6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ] In article <4233fdfc@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes:( >Hello All,a >r: >For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to; >customize the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbol 2 >DCL$CTRLT will be appended to the standard CTRL-T >output. >c7 >While doing that, I thought about a new concept remotet- >CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains2& >a process ID,  the CTRL-T information1 >displayed will be the one of the remote process.2 >.D >It is not a revolutionary idea and the information can be retrieved0 >in 10 other ways, however I think it is useful. >o8 >Do you like the idea of remote CTRL-T? Will you be able >to use it?:  K Does this deliver a CTRL-T to that process so that it does the right thing?:  F For example, if I want to see where my BACKUP batch job has gotten to,K would a remote CTRL-T be delivered to BACKUP and trigger the response about . the last file scanned?  If so, rather helpful.  K Will remote CTRL-T take account of the remote processes' DCL$CTRLT?  If so,a4 that could be helpful in debugging server processes.   -- Alant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:52:16 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-T-* Message-ID: <4236a33e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>A wrote in message news:00A40C70.F7561FE6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU... 8 > In article <4233fdfc@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg"& <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes:
 > >Hello All,  > > < > >For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to= > >customize the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbolG4 > >DCL$CTRLT will be appended to the standard CTRL-T
 > >output. > >-9 > >While doing that, I thought about a new concept remote-/ > >CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains-( > >a process ID,  the CTRL-T information3 > >displayed will be the one of the remote process.e > >lF > >It is not a revolutionary idea and the information can be retrieved2 > >in 10 other ways, however I think it is useful. > > : > >Do you like the idea of remote CTRL-T? Will you be able
 > >to use it?o >vF > Does this deliver a CTRL-T to that process so that it does the right thing? > H > For example, if I want to see where my BACKUP batch job has gotten to,G > would a remote CTRL-T be delivered to BACKUP and trigger the responses aboutg0 > the last file scanned?  If so, rather helpful.  I No, the work will be done by the process issuing the CTRL-T so you'll gete standardI display, to do what you are asking, we'll need to get into the context ofd
 the target> process....doable but bigger task than I originally planned... >mI > Will remote CTRL-T take account of the remote processes' DCL$CTRLT?  Ify so, 6 > that could be helpful in debugging server processes.   Initially no, maybe latero >n	 > -- Alanv   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:55:04 +0800b From: prep@prep.synonet.com 1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-To- Message-ID: <874qfdgm3r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>2  C Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder.nospam@volkswagen.de> writes:    > Guy Peleg wrote:  
 >> Hello All,   F >> For the next OpenVMS release, I have added the ability to customizeE >> the output of CTRL-T. The contents of the symbol DCL$CTRLT will bee* >> appended to the standard CTRL-T output.  9 >> While doing that, I thought about a new concept remote A >> CTRL-T. Assuming that DCL$CTRLT_PID contains a process ID, theeF >> CTRL-T information displayed will be the one of the remote process.F >> It is not a revolutionary idea and the information can be retrievedC >> in 10 other ways, however I think it is useful.  Do you like the 5 >> idea of remote CTRL-T? Will you be able to use it?-  4 >> Your thoughts and comments are highly appreciated >> Guy Peleg >> OpenVMS Engineering  . > I would like to see this feature in OpenVMS.  C And it work cluster wide. Wouldn't want you to get bored in thawinge Spitbrook ;)   -- 7< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 10:03:01 -0800! From: kenneth.randell@verizon.neto1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-TiB Message-ID: <1110909781.558587.57190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E > VMS development is at least somewhat distributed, avoiding a singlea > point of geographic failure.  F Not to beat a dead horse, but other recent threads would indicate thatC 'at least somewhat distributed' above is better rendered 'much more * distributed than a year ago at this time'.  G What else this means seems to be a mystery, as there's no comments fromc	 HP folks.o   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 11:53:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a1 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - Remote CTRL-Tm3 Message-ID: <Szqiz8Q83XOd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <874qfdgm3r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:tE > Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder.nospam@volkswagen.de> writes:v >  >> Guy Peleg wrote:e  5 >>> Your thoughts and comments are highly appreciatedy
 >>> Guy Pelegf >>> OpenVMS Engineeringe > / >> I would like to see this feature in OpenVMS.  > E > And it work cluster wide. Wouldn't want you to get bored in thawing  > Spitbrook ;)  F At least in the past, Guy has not typically been located in Spitbrook.C VMS development is at least somewhat distributed, avoiding a single- point of geographic failure.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:16:05 -0500u& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>( Subject: Re: SCSI Controller for XP-1000B Message-ID: <1110910538.ef326e17c730e4b5d5179daa3cecc0f9@teranews>   Tom Linden wrote:m  I > On 14 Mar 2005 08:24:23 +0100, Joseph Huber <huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de>P > wrote: > E >> In article <1110783376.968625.26340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,o >> pdafniotis@yahoo.com writes:eK >>> Could someone advise me which SCSI controllers (primarily interested in D >>> Adaptec/Tekram/LSI solutions) would work on OpenVMS 7.3-2 for an5 >>> XP-1000 workstation (667MHz CPU if that matters)., >>>eE >>> I am especially interested in having a controller that can accept'F >>> external disks (space is a bit ... limited inside the XP1000 box). >>6 >> On my XP-1000 an Adaptec 29160 (UW 160) is working:J >> Device PKB0:, device type Adaptec AIC-7899, is online, error logging is >> enabled.,E >> I have a DLT80 drive connected, but disks should not be a problem.eG >> The controller is not recognized by SRM, i.e. can't be used as boot-sD >> device, but after entering the PCI bus ID in sys$user_config.dat,( >> it works well (VMS 7.3-1 in my case). >>  > I have Qlogic ISP1020 in mine. > G > BTW, is there a simple command to show the device to which a drive is.I > attached?  For example suppose tou want to know the details of the scsid, > controller to which, say DKA0 is attached.  	 $ ANA/SYS0 CLUE CONFIG) CLUE SCSI/SUMMARY    --  B Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NYF       - jilly@stny.rr.com                http://home.stny.rr.com/jillyE       - mark.jilson@hp.com               http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsa;       - http://www.jilsonracing.com      Go Fast, Turn LeftiC       - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com  Door Handle to Door Handlea   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:29:34 -0500d) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>y Subject: Re: TSM questions? 9 Message-ID: <PyAZd.13439$N8.297581@news20.bellglobal.com>o  9 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message -+ news:1b6dnSrPmPD3x6vfRVn-3g@adelphia.com...3 > Bob Kaplow wrote:bK >> We use the (old, unsupported) TSM to save our terminal server context soCH >> that we can reload it when one fails. We also compare the context to 	 >> detect = >> changes and report when they are found. The script used isR >> TSM$NA_V23_GET_CHAR.COM >>J >> Last week a DS700 died. We took the saved config and restored it to theF >> replacement server. Then we discovered that a printer wasn't set upL >> properly. I searched all of our saved configs and could not find a DEFINEI >> PRINTER command anywhere, even though we have several set up. Makes me 5 >> wonder what else isn't getting saved and restored.t >>E >> Is there a newer version of the script somewhere that will fix my a >> problem?o >  > You can try the ones at: >r: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/tsm_tools/ >d, > You may need to modify them for the DS700. >- > -John- > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only0  J And if you run into any weird problems, be sure to check out my TSM notes  page:t7 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/tsm_on_alpha.html   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,s Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:18:26 -0500g  From: w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionsn+ Message-ID: <4236D292.66607FD7@hotmail.com>o  >   Earthing by some other (approved) method is required whether= or whether not the cold water pipe is connected.  Even with as; connection to that cold water pipe, the building still doesh< not have a minimally acceptable earthing connection. IOW the2 cold water pipe is no longer sufficient earthing. 7 Furthermore, a connection to the pipe is required for ah< completely different reason - to remove electricity from the: pipe.  That connection to cold water pipe is no longer for+ earthing but is essential for human safety.m  7   Now if the code did not list the pipe as a 'possible'e> (supplemental but insufficient) earthing method, then the pipe8 would be installed with an inline electrical insulator. 9 Clearly the code does not want nor demand that electricaln< insulator.  Why?  Code says the pipe can also supplement the> earthing system.  Pipe is not sufficient to earth the building
 - since 1990.s  7   Furthermore, this cold water pipe discussion is agains< irrelevant to the topic.  A safety ground to that cold water= pipe - for human safety - has nothing to do with this topic -v earthing for transistor safety.   7   Earthing is the one and only essential component in a99 transient protection system. The essential component that:= plug-in protectors (such as the UPS) avoid discussing.   Some19 systems don't even need a protector to provide transistori< protection.  Others use protectors to make a connection from= that incoming utility to single point earth ground.  That UPSw> must avoid this discussion, completely, to hype on half truths> (to get myth purveyors to recommend) their product as hardware> protection.  No earth ground means no effective protection.  A> surge protector is effective - when?  I must make a 'less than; 10 foot connection' to single point earth ground.  The coldo2 water pipe is completely irrelevant to this topic.  ;   Does your building have a sufficient ground?  If it does, 9 then it will meet post 1990 NEC requirements.  Those withm4 older buildings need inspect and maybe enhance their> building's earthing system - whether the cold water pipe is or is not used for earthing.a   George Cook wrote:O > In article <42356826.914B2DD@hotmail.com>, w_tom <w_tom1@hotmail.com> writes: 1 >>   Definition of 'sufficient earthing' has beene> >> misrepresented.  As supplementary books noted, the earthing5 >> system is dependent on something that is no longern? >> dependable.  Plastic pipe can be used. Plumbers, who have not> >> concern about things electrical, can do other things.  What= >> then provides the so critical earthing system?  Cold waterIA >> pipe is no longer acceptable as the earthing system because itnA >> is not reliable.  At best, it is supplementary earthing.  What-7 >> is sufficient earthing?  Something that makes a good ? >> connection to earth?  NO.  Something that will ALWAYS make asA >> good earthing connection.  Changing condition resulted in 1990. >> code changes. > = > The code people simply noticed a possible failure mode of aiB > perfectly sufficient earthing method and came up with a solutionC > to prevent that failure mode.  All earthing methods have at leaste= > one failure mode.  The main failure mode of my parent's rodT= > electrode was having the wire detached from it when cuttings< > the grass.  One of the code's solutions to that particularB > failure mode is that the wire and rod should have been installed" > in a more "workman like manner." > @ > By requiring a supplemental electrode for the cold mater pipe,; > the code simply makes the cold water pipe a more reliablee( > (not more sufficient) earthing method. > @ >>   You are misinterpreting what the code requires. The world's9 >> electrically best earth ground still does not meet NECm; >> requirements IF that earth ground does not always exist. ? >> Because earthing is now so critical, then water pipes are noeA >> longer sufficient as the earthing connection.  Yes, cold wateraA >> pipes can supplement the earthing system.  But with or withouts@ >> a connection to cold water pipes, the building still requiresA >> earthing by some other and reliable method. No way around thate= >> fact.  Cold water pipes are not acceptable as the earthing(
 >> system.A >> They are not reliable earthing.  Pipes can only supplement the  >> earthing system.y > ...g   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:50:07 GMTl1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>rE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?l1 Message-ID: <z7GZd.1729$WV.1406@news.cpqcorp.net>t   Nigel Barker wrote:mG > With Shadowing two disks work as one. All writes go to both but readsh7 > are done from whichever has its head nearer the data.i  I VMS doesn't know the head position; even a controller like an EVA or HSG rH doesn't know that today -- only the SCSI (or FC) disk unit itself knows B that level of detail. HSCs in the old days used to know head seek G position as well as rotational position, but those days are long gone.  I Today, the best you can do is quickly forward a queue of requests to the eB drive and let it optimize the order of completion for that set of  requests as best it can.  E HBVS looks at the local queue lengths for shadowset members from the eI node on which it is running, adds in the Read Cost for each member disk,  B and directs the next read to the shadowset member with the lowest  combined value.   I While this doesn't take into account queue lengths on other nodes in the iG cluster, in practice a queue build-up on one node leads fairly quickly h: to a queue of requests on other nodes, so it works out OK.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:01:32 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>iE Subject: Re: What is the Difference between Shadow and Mirrored disk?y1 Message-ID: <giGZd.1733$PV.1608@news.cpqcorp.net>-    john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com wrote:8 > does anyone know why a Quorum disk cannot be shadowed.  E Stated simply, Host-Based Volume Shadowing uses the Distributed Lock 9G Manager (DLM) to coordinate changes to membership of a shadowset (e.g. aF removing a member). The DLM depends in turn on the Connection Manager I enforcing the Quorum Scheme and deciding which node(s) (and quorum disk) CG are participating in the cluster, and telling the DLM when it needs to DI do things like a lock database rebuild operation. So you can't introduce .C a dependency of the Connection Manager on Shadowing to try to pick  D proper shadowset member(s) to use as the Quorum Disk when Shadowing H itself is using the DLM and thus indirectly depending on the Connection C Manager to keep the cluster membership straight -- it's a circular d dependency.n  F So in practice, folks simply depend on controller-based mirroring (or H controller-based RAID) to protect the Quorum Disk against disk failures A (and dual-redundant controllers to protect against most cases of hG controller and interconnect failures). Since this disk unit appears to  E be a single disk up at the VMS level, there's no chance of ambiguity.p   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2005 08:08:14 -0800 From: JimStrehlow@data911.como: Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.2, ORACLE Classic] Status ?B Message-ID: <1110902894.205723.31330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:D > As I haven't seen ORACLE Classic (vs RDB) mentioned in the Mar2005 roadmap-B > am I right in assuming that there is no ORACLE RDBMS support for V8.2, yet ?.  0 I have not seen anything either yet from Oracle.3 Maybe you should open an iTar on Oracle's Metalink.e  < Jim Strehlow, Data911, Law Enforcement Hardware and Software Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:54:41 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: [OT]: Windows anti-spyware,, Message-ID: <qoGdnTpeAZXfmKrfRVn-1Q@igs.net>   Alan Greig wrote: ! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:o >n >e >>>> SpyBot search and destroy >>>>2 >>>> http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html >>>.$ >>> Again this is cleanup only IIRC. >>> B >> You can immunize your system against infection with spybot S&D. >> There are 3 levels to thisj >:E > I'll probably take a look at this again. Looks like it has improveds  > quite a bit from what you say. >s >>F >>> As an example take the spyware infested Kazaa. Installing it (as aD >>> test) required me to override several security (valid!) warningsB >>> with MS Anti-Spyware. Telling it to clean-up later succesfullyG >>> removed everything. Although not before I watched several megabytesWF >>> of data head out from my machine via the spyware apps even without >>> Kazaa running. >>>P >N >>F >> I'll probably give it a go at some point. However I have heard some; >> reports that it produces quite a lot of false positives.= >xD > Things sometimes come up as "under investigation". You do have theD > option of submitting your decision to override a recommendation to@ > spynet if you believe the program to be safe. It's more "falseF > dubious" than "false positive" from what I've seen so far. HopefullyF > this will improve with the Beta process. MS Anti-Spyware is based on > Giant Anti-Spyware btw.      www.webroot.comaL offers a 30-day trial of their real-time Spy Sweeper scanner. It's about $45
 otherwise.  H I've been using it for about 3 weeks and it seems fine on a Win2000 box.  G When first installed it claimed to find a keylogger which AdAware (free1J version) and Spybot both missed in scans done right before I installed SpyI Sweeper. However I could not find any details about this keylogger in anyc? searches I did on the net to see some background info about it.A   --0 OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.148 ************************