1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 17 Mar 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 151       Contents:; " BIG BUCKS"  WITH ONLY A $6.00 INVESTMENT    "NO BULL"!!!! - Re: Alpha Basic 1.5 error with DEF functions. ! ANN: VTfm V2.3-7 is now available * Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.4-1& Re: CD_PLAYER.uil: UIL compiler errors Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE  Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE * Re: FW: DECC : toupper/tolower performance  RE: MQ Series: Potential BUGCHK? Re: OT: Outsourcing humour Re: Relative Record Number Re: request $ search/quiet Re: request $ search/quiet Re: request $ search/quiet* Re: Setting density of SDLT in VMS 7.2-2 ?/ Re: Sorting using hypersort from COBOL on Alpha $ Re: UPS/Power conditioning questions  Re: VAX OpenVMs Java - JVM? SDK?  Re: VAX OpenVMs Java - JVM? SDK?  Re: VAX OpenVMs Java - JVM? SDK? Re: What does HP do ?  Re: What does HP do ?  Re: What does HP do ?  [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.3 Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.3@ Re: [OpenVMS Alpha Java JNI] How to load native code from a JAR?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 11:49:18 -0800 From: bscruggins2000@yahoo.comD Subject: " BIG BUCKS"  WITH ONLY A $6.00 INVESTMENT    "NO BULL"!!!!C Message-ID: <1111002558.802006.271280@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   E HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000!!!!!! READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE!   F I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little whileC back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and ? came across an article similar to this that said you could make D thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment ofE $6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this must be a scam,but like most of C us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send C $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You E then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, F and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands)F No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a fewF people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got toA lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Then I invested the measly E $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting money in C the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money F just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the endE of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third A week I had over $10,000.00 and it`s still growing. This is now my D fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it`sD still coming in rapidly. It`s certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, IC have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this G works and most importantly, why it works....Also, make sure you print a E copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as E you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, B that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy!@ Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out orG download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! ? It`s easy. It`s legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus  postage)  E IMPORTANT: This is not a scam; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; ? and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the = following instructions are followed exactly, you will receive  extraordinary dividends.  E PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions PERCISELY, and $50,000 or C more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful @ because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. PleaseC continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You F will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business yourA product is not solid and tangible, it`s a service. You are in the G business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy D to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from theG mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like B you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success:   F STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on eachF piece of paper; PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. Now get 6 US $1.00D bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the billB will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next,D place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You shouldC now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the C above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are > doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You areG requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most of @ us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal@ aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post OfficeG (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the 6 % envelopes to the following addresses:    Mailing Addresses   2 1. P. FREY, 4577 W. PONDS CIR, LITTLETON, CO 801230 2. E. DE LEON, 14014 Rosecrest, Houston,TX 77045. 3. A. Lopez, 810 Ave.J, South Houston TX 775871 4. L. Pacheco, 812 Ave.J, South Houston, TX 77587 / 5. K. Bat, 9335 Alcona Street, Lanham, MD 20706 2 6. B. Scruggins, P.O. Box 845 Port Barre, LA 70577      F STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move theF other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list.   D STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article asC close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at D least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) AllD you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money youE make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title / 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. E Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money,   you can use it again, and again.  C PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the @ honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully> adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are ofF integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others! have received will come your way.   G NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either C on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This E VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a F good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) E So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, @ six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List? Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list E geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will D be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity forE only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send = it now, add your own name to the list and you`re in business! E ---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------ Step 1) E You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. D Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag yourF cursor to the bottom of this document, and select `copy` from the editB menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer`s memory.  G Step 2) Open a blank `notepad` file and place your cursor at the top of F the blank page. From the `edit` menu select `paste`. This will paste aD copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. D Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to doG your postings in different settings, you`ll always have this file to go  back to.  G Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various E newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) E Just example you log on any search engine like, yahoo.com,google.com, F altavista.com,excite.com then you search with this subject millionaire& message board? or money making message@ board? or employment message board? or money making discussions?D or money making forum? or business message board? etc. You will findF thousand & thousand message board. Click one by one then you will find the option post a new message.A Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new C message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste E from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that > everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in aF particular group, click the post message button. You`re done with yourE first one! Congratulations...THAT`S IT! All you have to do is jump to D different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it. will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!  D **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL. MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**F That`s it! You will begin receiving money from around the world withinG days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount G of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent 6 a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.1 **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**   F Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (aA very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the B letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the@ MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 personsE respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now B those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5C replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 C persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and G only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now B here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200E letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that C just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this G message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per @ 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an originalE investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the F list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send outA another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 @ again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do youC realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the F internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!!C So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... F People have said, "What if the plan is played out and no one sends youE the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there F are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining theB internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try?F Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands% of those joining the actual internet.   D Remember: Play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work. Do The	 Math !!!!    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:00:34 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: Alpha Basic 1.5 error with DEF functions.1 Message-ID: <S71_d.1822$Cn2.717@news.cpqcorp.net>    Carlos Fernandez wrote: 	 > Hi all,  > G > I get the following error when compiling this litle sample with Alpha  > Basic 1.5   F Thank you for the very small example.  I've forwarded it to the BASIC 3 project leader.  He will get back to you via email.      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:40:06 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> * Subject: ANN: VTfm V2.3-7 is now available* Message-ID: <4238C3D6.8000306@goatley.com>  : Thanks to Vladimir Vershinin, VTfm V2.3-7 is now available8 from my FILESERV.  VTfm is a Norton Commander-style file' and directory manager for VT terminals.    VTfm new release 2.3-7:    - improved overall performance; 0 - dynamic memory allocation for directory panels    and command strings; . - more accurate code concerning the circumflex2    symbol (^) in file and directory specifications0    (in particular concerning the Unicode chars);1 - User's Guide in PDF format included in the kit.      http://www.process.com/openvms/   4 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip9 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip   0 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip5 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/vtfm.zip    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 22:49:17 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.4-1 , Message-ID: <4238b7ed$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  d In article <Z2XZd.1777$G72.724@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com> writes:5 >The Availability Manager team is pleased to announce ? >the release of the Availability Manager Version 2.4-1. The kit 2 >is now available on the Web at the following URL: > 5 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/    I only see V2.4 there.H Or do I need to get through the survey again to get a new download URL ?   TIA    -Peter  E PS: And please refer to I64 as "Intel Architecture 64" or similar and ) not "Industry Standard 64". Yes, please ?  --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:23:06 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>/ Subject: Re: CD_PLAYER.uil: UIL compiler errors B Message-ID: <1111000974.64fc5ad4c6b215afabb62396b7eee560@teranews>    user1@Eason.CC.URegina.CA wrote: >  >   Both lines look like: 7 >     color_table = color_table(background color = ' ', " >         foreground color = '*'),    : You need to provide more lines to provide better context.     F Here is an example where the above syntax might be found: (a 3*3 icon)  / pallete : color_table (	background color =  ,  					foreground color = *);   9 plus : icon (color_table = pallete,  * , ***,  * );     G The error message you are getting seems to complain about the fact that D you tried to combined the above two into a single statement.  The 6B motif manual states: " H Unlike most other UIL types, a color_table cannot be used as a parameterF type in a procedure declaration or as the type in an argument literal. "     & So in your case, you'd have to change:  5     color_table = color_table(background color = ' ',           foreground color = '*'),   to:  value J 	mytable : color_table ( background color = ' ', foreground color = '*') ;  # 	icon( color_table = mytable ,  etc    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 10:40:30 -0800 From: JimStrehlow@data911.com $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACEC Message-ID: <1110998430.632769.250330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   : OpenVMS Engineering, thanks for that long awaited feature.  ? Can someone advise a better way to remove extra carriage return  characters from a text file? I normally either have to:F - on a VT100 emulator I type the file, manually use my mouse to select; all the text from the display, copy, open a new file, paste  (that is tediously slow)  A - or use EMACS with cryptic commands to remove the extra carriage  return characters   , What native OpenVMS tool can do that for me?F Is there some hex trick I can use with the existing EDT or TPU editor?   Thanks.   G Jim Strehlow, OpenVMS Systems Manager, Data911 Law Enforcement Hardware  and Software Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2005 19:08:12 GMT From: user1@Eason.CC.URegina.CA $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE/ Message-ID: <d1a06s$de7$1@heckle.cc.uregina.ca>    JimStrehlow@data911.com writes: @ >Can someone advise a better way to remove extra carriage return >characters from a text file?   9   I learnt this trick from some VMS guru a long time ago:      $ Edit/TECO <filename>   *EX<escape><escape>   9   This will remove all non-printing characters from file.   	   Cheers,   
   -- mahendra    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 12:48:06 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>$ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACEB Message-ID: <1111006086.491150.90590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   JimStrehlow@data911.com wrote:< > OpenVMS Engineering, thanks for that long awaited feature. > A > Can someone advise a better way to remove extra carriage return  > characters from a text file? [...]      $ EDIT <yourfile>  *C& gold <keypad-7> s-<Return>--wh <Enter>   Where   7 <keypad-7> means press the 7 key on the numeric keypad,   ( <Return> means press the Return key, and  " <Enter> means press the Enter key.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 15:59:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE3 Message-ID: <mzMcMsebkSDX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <d1a06s$de7$1@heckle.cc.uregina.ca>, user1@Eason.CC.URegina.CA writes:  > ! > JimStrehlow@data911.com writes: A >>Can someone advise a better way to remove extra carriage return  >>characters from a text file? > ; >   I learnt this trick from some VMS guru a long time ago:  >  >   $ Edit/TECO <filename> >   *EX<escape><escape>  > ; >   This will remove all non-printing characters from file.   0 No, I have just verified that a file containing:   	xxx<CR>yyy<CR>zzz<CRLF>  $ is preserved in a pass through TECO.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:16:28 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)$ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE6 Message-ID: <00A40DC3.9711D54A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <1110998430.632769.250330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com writes: ; >OpenVMS Engineering, thanks for that long awaited feature.  > @ >Can someone advise a better way to remove extra carriage return >characters from a text file?  >I normally either have to: G >- on a VT100 emulator I type the file, manually use my mouse to select < >all the text from the display, copy, open a new file, paste >(that is tediously slow)  > B >- or use EMACS with cryptic commands to remove the extra carriage >return characters > - >What native OpenVMS tool can do that for me? G >Is there some hex trick I can use with the existing EDT or TPU editor?    In EVE with the EDT keypad:    KP7  (opens command window)  REPLACE CTRL-VCTRL-M<CR> <CR>   Say yes to "All".   N The CTRL-V is an escape that tells TPU to take the value of the next characterN and not interpret it as a command.  You could hit RETURN insted of CTRL-M, butO I thought it might be clearer to show the CTRL-M as the data to be replaced and L the <CR> as the no longer escaped thing that tells EVE you're done with your; search string.  The next <CR> ends an empty replace string.   K I used to do this all the time before emailing documents created by RUNOFF. O However, the pull-it-into-TECO trick works fine for me with those, so I haven't  had to do much of it.    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:57:42 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>$ Subject: Re: DIFF/IGNORE=WHITE_SPACE, Message-ID: <39s2vcF62qeoeU1@individual.net>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:  e > In article <1110998430.632769.250330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com writes:  > < >>OpenVMS Engineering, thanks for that long awaited feature. >>A >>Can someone advise a better way to remove extra carriage return  >>characters from a text file? >>I normally either have to:H >>- on a VT100 emulator I type the file, manually use my mouse to select= >>all the text from the display, copy, open a new file, paste  >>(that is tediously slow) >>C >>- or use EMACS with cryptic commands to remove the extra carriage  >>return characters  >>. >>What native OpenVMS tool can do that for me?H >>Is there some hex trick I can use with the existing EDT or TPU editor? >  >  > In EVE with the EDT keypad:  >  > KP7  (opens command window)  > REPLACE CTRL-VCTRL-M<CR> > <CR> >  > Say yes to "All".  > P > The CTRL-V is an escape that tells TPU to take the value of the next characterP > and not interpret it as a command.  You could hit RETURN insted of CTRL-M, butQ > I thought it might be clearer to show the CTRL-M as the data to be replaced and N > the <CR> as the no longer escaped thing that tells EVE you're done with your= > search string.  The next <CR> ends an empty replace string.  >   I Sorry to interrupt, but did anyone else see a serious slowdown in EVE in  E recent years when doing this? I am thinking VMS 7.3 or so, on Alpha,  E when I first noticed this, IIRC after doing an ftp on vmsfaq.txt and  # finding it full of <CR>s and <LF>s.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:48:09 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 3 Subject: Re: FW: DECC : toupper/tolower performance 0 Message-ID: <113gv8c5jsk8m57@corp.supernews.com>   O'Brien Paddy wrote:y > I give up ... doing a reply does not add chevrons (I'm in bloody outlook), and my attempt to add was very unsuccessful.  > 2 > I get very shakey when I use anything Microsoft.  I Download Mozilla Thunderbird.  Install it on the windows box.  It works.  
   work it.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:04:14 -0500 & From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>) Subject: RE: MQ Series: Potential BUGCHK? B Message-ID: <1110999827.f7f5c617d78bbc0eed0ae64bfa5e2f89@teranews>   Main, Kerry wrote:   >  >> -----Original Message----- < >> From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]  >> Sent: March 15, 2005 10:16 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >> Subject: MQ Series: Potential BUGCHK? >>  > >> Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about this one: >>  ? >> We had a galaxy instance on a GS160 crash due to an "invalid 
 >> time queue < >> entry format" BugCheck. The HP guys working the call have >> indicated that : >> some other sites have recently (in fairly short order!) >> reported crashes 7 >> with a similar footprint. The VMS version is V7.3-2.  >>  = >> The most notable recent change was an update of MQ Series.  >>  = >> This was in development and not on the production cluster.  >> So, we're not  >> in a serious impact position. >>  8 >> Has anyone else seen this, or know anything about it? >>   >> --  >> David J Dachtera  >> dba DJE Systems >> http://www.djesys.com/  >>   >  > David, > J > Not the exact symptoms, but might be related - do you have the following$ > VMS patch for MQ Series installed:H > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/VMS732_MQ-V0100.txtF > " 6.2.1  Possible PFIPLHI crash when using the IBM MQ Series V5.3 or > V5.1 with CSD4.  >  > 6.2.1.1  Problem Description:  > C > This kit fixes a potential PFIPLHI system crash that can occur on : > systems using the IBM MQ Series V5.3 or V5.1 with CSD4." > 	 > Regards  >  > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."  I Nope these are invalid TQE crashes.  We have a TQE that is already in the I TQE tree that is trying to be inserted again.  Investigation of the issue  is on going.   --  B Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NYF       - jilly@stny.rr.com                http://home.stny.rr.com/jillyE       - mark.jilson@hp.com               http://www.hp.com/go/openvms ;       - http://www.jilsonracing.com      Go Fast, Turn Left C       - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com  Door Handle to Door Handle    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 17:43:03 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: OT: Outsourcing humour C Message-ID: <1111023782.970634.173930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Dr. Dweeb wrote: > J http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/workingdaze-20050221.html  < I saw doubleclick.txt spyware come thru on this one! Beware!   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 17:32:23 -0800 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au# Subject: Re: Relative Record Number C Message-ID: <1111023143.154229.198570@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    <snip> > Thank you,C > but as far as I know the field RAB$L_KBF is only used to randomly  select aE > record, so as input to a system service. I also need to have an RRN  as( > output after a sequential read or add. > F > The Guide to OpenVMS File Applications section 8.4.1.2 Random Access writes: B > "You can use the relative record number to randomly retrieve and insertF > records in sequential files having fixed-length records. Records areA > numbered in ascending order, starting with number 1." and "When  accessing a G > sequential file randomly by relative record number, your program must A > provide the record number at symbolic offset RAB$L_KBF and must 	 specify a < > key length of 4 at symbolic offset RAB$B_KSZ, in the RAB." > D > I tried looking at the contents of field RAB$L_KBF after a sys$put and < > sys$get (using RAB$C_SEQ), but could not find a valid RRN. >  > Jan E I believe that from an rms perspective, fixed-length sequential files 2 can be handled exactly the same as relative files. Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:32:11 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com># Subject: Re: request $ search/quiet 1 Message-ID: <fJ0_d.1821$km2.811@news.cpqcorp.net>    Doc. wrote:    > M > The only thing I'd point out on this is that /NOTOUCH or whatever qualifer  * > you choose should be a priv'd operation.  H I can see why that might be handy.  As the owner of some world-readable H file, perhaps I WANT the expiry date to be updated by any reader of the G data.  What priv would you want to use?  Or would you want to restrict  I it to files you own or files you have write-access to?  Some ACL I would   apply to the file?  G BTW, everybody realizes that asking this for SEARCH is quite different  H than what DIRECTORY does.  SEARCH actually opens the file and reads all   the records, DIRECTORY does not. >  >  > Doc.     --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 22:22:51 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: request $ search/quiet , Message-ID: <4238b1bb$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  ] In article <42381f94@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes: l >"Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message news:d18ro2$4d$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...E >> What I'd really like, since Guy's doing such a sterling job on dcl = >> enhancements, is a /quiet or /notouch qualifier on search.  >>G >> We use expiry dates to identify unused files, but search *.* touches J >> them all - typically you're only interested in (some of) the ones which% >> match, and you'll read them again.  >>G >> directory doesn't update expiry, and RMS has provision to not update G >> expiry - would be nice if search did too, as an option, for backward  >> compatibility.  >  >Request noted !  > Why is SEARCH touching the file at all ? To search it faster ?A I always found it strange, that I can TYPE (most of) my logfiles, 4 but can't SEARCH them (because they are still open).  F OTOH I always found it amazing, that TYPEing my (closed) logfile takesK way more CPU time than SEARCHing it (and displaying the whole contents) ;-)   0 >Sounds like an easy one....I'll take a look....   Yes, please    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:38:18 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch># Subject: Re: request $ search/quiet , Message-ID: <39s1r0F620o91U1@individual.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:   <snip>   > @ > Why is SEARCH touching the file at all ? To search it faster ?C > I always found it strange, that I can TYPE (most of) my logfiles, 6 > but can't SEARCH them (because they are still open). > H > OTOH I always found it amazing, that TYPEing my (closed) logfile takesM > way more CPU time than SEARCHing it (and displaying the whole contents) ;-)  > F I've always assumed that SEARCH looks at how much it can grab for RMS G buffers, and allocates as much as it can (empirical observation, going   back to V3 or before).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:34:25 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Setting density of SDLT in VMS 7.2-2 ? / Message-ID: <BE5E1091.96EE%roktsci@comcast.net>   J On 3/16/05 5:07 AM, in article 39qph7F64gorfU1@individual.net, "Roy Omond"$ <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote:   > Jeff Cameron wrote:  > I >> On 3/15/05 7:07 PM, in article 4237A2EE.60538456@comcast.net, "David J / >> Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  >>   >>> Roy Omond wrote: >>>  >>>> Gentle colleagues,  >>>>  @ >>>> I'm flabbergasted that this is becoming a nightmare for me. >>>>  < >>>> Alpha 4100, VMS 7.2-2, SDLT 320 drives.  No prospect of# >>>> anything other than VMS 7.2-2.  >>>>  > >>>> How on earth do I set the density down to 110/220 instead >>>> of the default 160/320 ?  >>>>  = >>>> Initialise, Mount etc. etc. didn't get the /DENSITY=SDLT A >>>> and /DENSITY=SDLT320 qualifiers until sometime after VMS 7.3 ? >>>> (definitely in VMS 7.3-2).  There's no front panel buttons > >>>> on the drives themselves like on the good old DLT drives. >>>>  B >>>> The user handbook for the drive makes reference to a "DensityF >>>> Select Software CD", with the usual point-and-click instructions.K >>>> Why has this sort of simple thing become so unbelievably complicated ?  >>>>  ( >>>> Any help would be much appreciated, >>> L >>> Some of the c.o.v. denizens seem to be quite adroit at manipulating SCSIK >>> drives. Maybe one of them could help you send IO$DIAGNOSE commands to a  >>> drive once it's MOUNTed. >>  M >> This is certainly a possibility, You would need to have the SDLT320 device C >> programmers manual so you can construct the proper SCSI command.  > D > Thanks.  I might try this route.  Maybe Glenn Everhart has already > done something similar ? > H >>> For what it's worth, I'm not even sure we're lucky that  V7.2-2 even* >>> supports the TK89 keyord for /DENSITY. >>  K >> Specifying TK89 is what you want, but if the Driver does not know how to N >> communicate with the the SDLT to set this low density, VMS will just reportL >> that the selection is invalid for this device. If you do a show device onL >> this tape drive it will show a Generic SCSI tape, indicating that it does$ >> not know all of its capabilities. > B > I tried this.  But each density setting has its own unique valueC > (see e.g. $MT3DEF in Starlet), and the request gets rejected with @ > "Invalid Density".  I've been playing around with SCSI_MODE in@ > SYS$ETC: to see if it might be possible from there, but so far > without success. > I >>> Out of curiosity, why is 110/220 support necessary? Some clients have & >>> drives that don't support 160/320? >>  N >> I would imagine that he needs to write tapes to be sent to someone who only >> has DLT7000.  > G > Exactly.  The client is in Australia (we're in the UK), so we want to D > be absolutely sure they can read the tapes we produce at this end. > B > I'm sort of disappointed by all of this, since the Release Notes? > (or was it the New Features Manual) for VMS 7.2 allude to the B > capability of being able to specify *any* density that the drive@ > is capable of.  I'd have thought that this sort of stuff would: > be a good candidate for adding into SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT. >  > Thanks to all who replied, >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.L You cant write software for devices that have not been invented yet. So whenJ they say "any density the drive is capable of" is only true for drives for which the driver supports.  L One way you can tell is when you get the Invalid density error message is ifF the facility is DCL then it is a density which is not supported by theH command parsing (not yet learned by VMS). However if the facility is SYSH then the density is valid in DCL but is not defined for the type of tape# drive that the driver thinks it is.?   Jeff   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 19:33:04 -0800 From: don.braffitt@hp.com 8 Subject: Re: Sorting using hypersort from COBOL on AlphaC Message-ID: <1111030384.684860.261990@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>d   Leif Aagaard wrote:d@ > I have a problem in that hpersort does well on files less than 200,000AE > records begin sorted from within COBOL.  I am running an alpsserver-2 > DS20E with 2GB memory and running OpenVMS 7.3-2. > @ > The job to sort 300K records has been running for over 14 hrs.- > Normally is should run in less than 15 min.M  D Try OpenVMS V8.2. We changed Hypersort's memory allocation algorithmG with OpenVMS V8.2 (Hypersort V08-006) to work better with larger files.   @ There are more details on Hypersort V08-006 in the release notes  G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6674/6674pro_prog2.html#hypersorte   - Don Braffitt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:36:43 +0800d From: prep@prep.synonet.comh- Subject: Re: UPS/Power conditioning questionsu- Message-ID: <87fyyvtun8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o   Original lost...  > The answer is simple and inexpensive. Go find an old DEC powerA controller, the black ones. They will swallow the hammer of Thor p and look for more.  1 Only problem is, they are getting hard to find :(t   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:29:32 -0500g. From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>) Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMs Java - JVM? SDK?aB Message-ID: <1111001357.1db847dda3a83ac30eea483c770f10e2@teranews>   Bob Koehler wrote:  G >    Java requires the use of IEEE floating, which VAX doesn't do.  DECnC >    looked at doing IEEE emulation for Java on VAX and found it soa >    slow as to be unuseable.a  C But  java "compiler" to generate the jar files would have been veryyK useful. Cosnider software dvelopment for java enabled devices for instance.y  H I don't care if it runs slowly. Heck, they had released the DOS emulator$ on VAX, they released POSIX on vax.   E My take on this is that they decided that Java was going to be one of @ the many things to make vax less usable to push people to Alpha.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 15:51:22 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s) Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMs Java - JVM? SDK?O3 Message-ID: <N9I6ljSmNAcB@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  s In article <1111001357.1db847dda3a83ac30eea483c770f10e2@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:c > Bob Koehler wrote: > H >>    Java requires the use of IEEE floating, which VAX doesn't do.  DECD >>    looked at doing IEEE emulation for Java on VAX and found it so >>    slow as to be unuseable. > E > But  java "compiler" to generate the jar files would have been veryeM > useful. Cosnider software dvelopment for java enabled devices for instance.   D    Considering that compilers are CPU intensive, VAX would not be myC    first choice for Java development.  But I do use my Alpha for myg#    primary Java development system.a  J > I don't care if it runs slowly. Heck, they had released the DOS emulator& > on VAX, they released POSIX on vax.   D    POSIX didn't require IEEE and DOS systems at the time were fairly0    slow, too.  Not that they sold a lot of them.  G > My take on this is that they decided that Java was going to be one ofcB > the many things to make vax less usable to push people to Alpha.  E    My take on this is that something they planned to give away wasn'tl'    worth doing on such a slow platform.v   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:53:22 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)) Subject: Re: VAX OpenVMs Java - JVM? SDK?s6 Message-ID: <00A40DC8.BE7A64F4@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  s In article <1111001357.1db847dda3a83ac30eea483c770f10e2@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:s >Bob Koehler wrote:i > H >>    Java requires the use of IEEE floating, which VAX doesn't do.  DECD >>    looked at doing IEEE emulation for Java on VAX and found it so >>    slow as to be unuseable. >nD >But  java "compiler" to generate the jar files would have been veryL >useful. Cosnider software dvelopment for java enabled devices for instance.    N I'm not sure I'd say "very useful", although this is the first time I've heardL any kind of an argument for porting the JDK but not the runtime environment.  O Do people preferentially do development for devices that didn't exist ten years#N ago on VAXes?  How much would they enjoy doing that when they couldn't use theK Java-based IDEs because there's no runtime?  Wouldn't a $500 PC be a betterhO platform for that development (maybe saving files to NFS-mounted VAX disk) thanp; a VAX with no Java-based IDE that takes forever to compile?s  L Last I looked (30 seconds ago), Sun made the JDK source available for free. O If anybody had a real need for it on VAX, they could download and port it.  HasoP anybody done that?  (I got the impression that the initial port to VMS Alpha wasE mostly done by one guy working part time, but I can't swear to that.)y  I >I don't care if it runs slowly. Heck, they had released the DOS emulatora% >on VAX, they released POSIX on vax.    N And wasn't POSIX a hideous failure because it was so slow?  I don't think yourM not caring about performance is an argument that the market would agree with.d  O (That said, I certainly have some sympathy with the "hey, if you already ported N it, let _us_ decide whether it's unacceptably slow" position; maybe they could# have put the port on the freeware.)   F >My take on this is that they decided that Java was going to be one ofA >the many things to make vax less usable to push people to Alpha.   N One could equally make the argument that they just didn't want to give Sun andO IBM anti-VMS ammunition.  "Look, here's Java running unacceptably slowly on VMSe* - and they claim this is a good platform!"   -- Alane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:06:07 -0500l. From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: What does HP do ?B Message-ID: <1111003549.db0861799884774dc326085440456b55@teranews>   > Michael Kraemer wrote:: > > http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/16/norris_talks_hp/   Interesting take on HP.-  C Consider the number of garage/basement opertations who custom buildoB wintel boxes for friends/family. Isn't that how Dell got started ?  H When you enter the commodity market, which Wintel desktops are, It isn'tH chopping pennies off the windows distribution that counts, it is gettingC your products to customers fast and cheap that counts. Everyone can $ source cheap components these days.   H You don't fix your distribution problems by growing the company (suhc asH when HP bought compaq), you in fact make it worse because you are now so@ big that inrttai makes it mucgh harder to change your "channel".  = For years now, I have viewed the "channel" as a big dinosaur.   E During christmas time, Dell had booths at some local shopping centre. C People could see the products, but if they wanted one, they ordered.+ direct from Dell. No inventory to maintain.   H HP needs to really change the way it distributes its machines. And thereH are ways to use its current retail outlets as showrooms for products andE pay those places a certain amount of revenus to showcase HP products.n6 Think of it as advertising instead of a sales channel.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:43:34 GMTh6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> Subject: Re: What does HP do ?> Message-ID: <WT0_d.33844$_i3.1482548@twister.southeast.rr.com>  < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message < news:1111003549.db0861799884774dc326085440456b55@teranews... >> Michael Kraemer wrote:a; >> > http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/16/norris_talks_hp/t >o   [snip]  J > You don't fix your distribution problems by growing the company (suhc asJ > when HP bought compaq), you in fact make it worse because you are now soB > big that inrttai makes it mucgh harder to change your "channel".   [snip]     inrttai?  C Sya waht?  I cat'n unedrsatnd waht yu'ore syanig or speillnig hree.u   :)     Kene   OpenVMS.orgm% _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:18:04 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>d Subject: Re: What does HP do ?( Message-ID: <opsnrfcewuzgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:09:00 GMT, Keith Parris  % <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:I   > JF Mezei wrote:aK >> When you enter the commodity market, which Wintel desktops are, It isn'taK >> chopping pennies off the windows distribution that counts, it is gettingp9 >> your products to customers fast and cheap that counts.e >oH > And with a business model that revolves around mail-order, there's a  G > hard lower limit on how fast you can get the product to the customer.n >uF Dell doesn't have a mail order business model anymore, it has morphed.K > I'd also argue that quality and service are also important, in addition    > to price.   3 Dell's quality and servic are A-1, in my experiencea >a3 >> Everyone can source cheap components these days.t >  >K >> You don't fix your distribution problems by growing the company (such aswK >> when HP bought Compaq), you in fact make it worse because you are now soIB >> big that inertia makes it much harder to change your "channel". >MD > But being bigger gives you more leverage and bargaining power in  I > sourcing components, so you can get lower prices due to higher volumes. D Is HP bigger?  Even if your assertion is true why can't they make as much money as Dell, et. al.y > H >> During Christmas time, Dell had booths at some local shopping centre.F >> People could see the products, but if they wanted one, they ordered. >> direct from Dell. No inventory to maintain. > K > And no way to get the satisfaction of taking the box home right now, or  nD > the security of knowing that what you see is exactly what you get.H You configure your custom box on a web page and order it there and can   have itn the next day >oK >> HP needs to really change the way it distributes its machines. And there,K >> are ways to use its current retail outlets as showrooms for products andtH >> pay those places a certain amount of revenus to showcase HP products.9 >> Think of it as advertising instead of a sales channel., > K > I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in the US if you go  AK > to Radio Shack you see only Compaq systems displayed, and it seems like  sK > there's a Radio Shack on just about every other block; if you go to the  wL > popular retailers like Best Buy or CompUSA or Circuit City, you see both  J > HP and Compaq PCs (as well as HP printers) prominently displayed, with  L > better values than Sony and with models priced the same as or lower than   > even eMachines econo-boxes.L  K Keith, in all the points you raised Dell is far superior.  I have a service,K contract on a Poweredge server, costs a few hundred bucks a year.  Called    inH a problem with the mirrored disks about a year ago, they were here the  	 next day, I had to dive 96 miles from San Jose, fixed the problem.  HP simply can notVK compete with Dell on Wintel boxes.  Its margin for the past two years has  a beenJ 1/4 to 3/4 of one percent.  Dell's is 8%.  I have asked this before, why   do youJ want to be in that business?  It will NEVER turnaround for HP.  HP needs  	 to assess G where its competence lies, where it has real added value and focus on  n that.  I amoF sure HP branded Wintel boxes are good quality, but I wouldn't buy one.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC)a$ From: JKB <knatschke@koenigsberg.fr>! Subject: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.3f; Message-ID: <slrnd3gu4c.ek1.knatschke@rayleigh.systella.fr>t   	Hello,k  ! 	New FreeVMS release available ati) 	http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMSs  A 	A new bliss compiler is available in this release (bliss 0.0.5).t  	 	Regards,e   	JKB   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:23:42 -08000# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>E% Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.3c( Message-ID: <opsnrflsgczgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC), JKB <knatschke@koenigsberg.fr>   wrote:  	 > 	Hello,e >e# > 	New FreeVMS release available at + > 	http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMSa >uC > 	A new bliss compiler is available in this release (bliss 0.0.5).  >i > 	Regards,l >n > 	JKBH I note that you are writing it in C, just what we need VMS with buffer   overrun E exploits.  If you are serious about writing an OS, use a high-level  t	 language.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2005 16:05:03 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)6I Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha Java JNI] How to load native code from a JAR?y3 Message-ID: <LRqXZBrsVs0h@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  g In article <Xns961BE1B4EB460lithiumnospamgmxat@212.33.32.148>, Bernhard <lithium@nospam_gmx.at> writes:  > Hi! I > I want to acces some legacy C Code from a Java 1.4.2-04 application on u > OpenVMS 7.1.3 with ODS-5. 7 > I have downloaded the JNI example and it worked fine.fE > Then I tried to interface my legacy code and my new java code. The  K > difference is that both the java classes and the shared lib are in a JAR 'M > file. I could not get it working under OpenVMS (under Win2k/XP it works!). rN > System.loadLibrary keeps failing, saying there is no lib with the specified L > name on the java.library.path. 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