1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 245       Contents: Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas 4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? Re: DEC/MMJ connectors Re: DEC/MMJ connectors Re: DECterm improvement request % Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neck 8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business..... OpenVMS Job Opportunity in Southern California> Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?)B Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?)) Re: SYS$SYSROOT and similar logical names ! Re: TCPIP FTP Problem OpenVMS 7.3  Re: TCPIP V5.5 on OpenVMS V8.2 Re: TCPIP V5.5 on OpenVMS V8.2) Weekly boot camp update - Week of May 2nd - Re: Weekly boot camp update - Week of May 2nd + RE: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ) Re: [DECterm] Fontselection not honored ? ) Re: [DECterm] Fontselection not honored ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 15:51:56 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <jUZyyreGECjE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <020520051235105991%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  I > As we now now, there were no Y2K problems in the product.  The offer to F > provide versions that worked with future OpenVMS versions would sure > come in handy now, though.  D So what features do people want in such a product that runs on VMS ?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 16:09:38 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <2FMEzKwJBT0S@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <020520051235105991%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > I > As we now now, there were no Y2K problems in the product.  The offer to F > provide versions that worked with future OpenVMS versions would sure > come in handy now, though.  G    Since MacOS has recognized Windows networking for many versions now, E    and Advanced Server (or samba) does that, and few people are using D    Macs as servers to VMS, there's little call for AppleTalk on VMS.  E    IMHO, I'd try IP as a protocol to replace AppleTalk in most cases.   B    Those few cases left, I'm afraid, are as we used to say:  cult.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:54:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: Appletalk on AlphasB Message-ID: <1115070869.194bdfde3d7b30a3a3e32233c981ac25@teranews>   Bob Koehler wrote:I >    Since MacOS has recognized Windows networking for many versions now, G >    and Advanced Server (or samba) does that, and few people are using F >    Macs as servers to VMS, there's little call for AppleTalk on VMS.    C For printers, this is quite different. Appletalk printer interfaces G offer supperior functionality to LAT or TELNET, especially for DECLASER @ printers.  Consider the need for a proprietary utility that usesF APPLETALK to configure the DEC printer's IP stack. (this can't be done from a VMS host).    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:38:00 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas2 Message-ID: <Y4xde.4822$KG6.1144@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <jUZyyreGECjE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: c :In article <020520051235105991%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  : J :> As we now now, there were no Y2K problems in the product.  The offer toG :> provide versions that worked with future OpenVMS versions would sure  :> come in handy now, though.  : E :So what features do people want in such a product that runs on VMS ?     F   To recap something I researched for one of the previous discussions I   of this particular topic and this particular product, the code involved H   is encumbered by at least one third-party vendor, and I am accordinglyD   unable to add the package onto the OpenVMS Freeware.  I don't have;   clearance to provide it via the Freeware, in other words.   E   The product was retired circa July 1, 1998, and the last update was     made about a decade ago now.    J   I believe SRI (http://www.softresint.com/) had offered or had consideredE   a support offer for the OpenVMS Alpha version of the PATHWORKS for  J   OpenVMS (Macintosh) Server product, but I do not know the current statusI   of that.  (This SRI support was discussed back in 1999 or so.  I do not D   see this product presently discussed anywhere at the SRI website.)      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 17:03:52 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <5a4PHSRQQrhg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <2FMEzKwJBT0S@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: d > In article <020520051235105991%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: >>  J >> As we now now, there were no Y2K problems in the product.  The offer toG >> provide versions that worked with future OpenVMS versions would sure  >> come in handy now, though.  > I >    Since MacOS has recognized Windows networking for many versions now, G >    and Advanced Server (or samba) does that, and few people are using F >    Macs as servers to VMS, there's little call for AppleTalk on VMS.  H So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:22:37 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas1 Message-ID: <nKudndz1_oyiK-vfRVn-jA@adelphia.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:5 > In article <2FMEzKwJBT0S@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > 7 >>In article <020520051235105991%paul.anderson@hp.com>, . > Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: >>J >>>As we now now, there were no Y2K problems in the product.  The offer toG >>>provide versions that worked with future OpenVMS versions would sure  >>>come in handy now, though.  >>I >>   Since MacOS has recognized Windows networking for many versions now, G >>   and Advanced Server (or samba) does that, and few people are using F >>   Macs as servers to VMS, there's little call for AppleTalk on VMS. > J > So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers.  8 For those interested in porting this from LINUX and BSD:  +    http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/   G I do not have access to any appletalk devices so even if I had time to  ' do a port, I have no way of testing it.   D With http://www.google.com, I can not find anything indicating that = anyone has even investigated what it would take to do a port.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 15:54:02 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 3 Message-ID: <xr4yoIwgvNdh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3dn6fsF6uivo6U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 3 > In article <964A88682wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>, 6 > 	wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes: >> Hi Folks, >>  M >> I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) and Pathworks  O >> (PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting the answers I need.  I'm  4 >> hoping someone here might be able to help me out. > H > Yeah, what he said.  And while someone is answering his question aboutI > something similar regarding Radius?  I have Active Directory available, F > but I also have radius and anything that will keep me from having toH > give the students yet another password to loose would sure make my job	 > easier.   I Effective with VMS 7.3-2 you can create whatever authentication mechanism F you want (and so can vendors) by writing a custom-ACME.  That does notG remove the need for SYSUAF -- that is still required to provide quotas, E UIC and privilege information, etc.  But the passwords part of SYSUAF  can be made irrelevant.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:49:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? B Message-ID: <1115070567.45de0c09e93c112715311ab971f9ebb1@teranews>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:K > Effective with VMS 7.3-2 you can create whatever authentication mechanism : > you want (and so can vendors) by writing a custom-ACME.   7 Isn't this on Alpha only ? Or did ACME make it to VAX ?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 20:05:27 -0500, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 0 Message-ID: <rq2dnc_aO-bKU-vfRVn-tA@comcast.com>   Alpha only for ACME.  No VAX.    Dave...   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  < news:1115070567.45de0c09e93c112715311ab971f9ebb1@teranews... > Larry Kilgallen wrote:L >> Effective with VMS 7.3-2 you can create whatever authentication mechanism: >> you want (and so can vendors) by writing a custom-ACME. > : > Isn't this on Alpha only ? Or did ACME make it to VAX ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:36:33 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: DEC/MMJ connectors D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505021535130.8080@localhost.localdomain>  ' On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Dave Froble wrote:   E > Unless I'm mistaken, you need a flat 6-conductor cable with an MMJ  D > on each end.  The MMJs are reversed, ie; one end with the tab up, E > and the tab down at the other end.  This flips xmit/recv, gnd/gnd,   > and DTR/DSR.  E You are half-right.  You need the tab up on both ends to do the flip  F you describe.  The standard, garden-variety MMJ-MMJ cable has the tab  up on both ends.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 00:36:14 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: DEC/MMJ connectors 0 Message-ID: <117dvttg7mfug3e@corp.supernews.com>   Rob Brown wrote:) > On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Dave Froble wrote:  > I >> Unless I'm mistaken, you need a flat 6-conductor cable with an MMJ on  J >> each end.  The MMJs are reversed, ie; one end with the tab up, and the J >> tab down at the other end.  This flips xmit/recv, gnd/gnd, and DTR/DSR. >  > K > You are half-right.  You need the tab up on both ends to do the flip you  J > describe.  The standard, garden-variety MMJ-MMJ cable has the tab up on  > both ends. >  >   I Quite right, I made the first cable from memory, then walked over to the  F VAXstation for a test.  It would have been smarter to first check the 7 cable on the VAXstation, but I never claimed 'smarter'.   G Finally engaged brain and figured, if the white wire is on the side of  I the clip on this end, then to cross it, it needs to be opposite the clip  < on the other end.  Might take a while, but I get there.  :-)  C Ah well, one used plug into the trash, the cable is about 3/4 inch  ! shorter, who'll ever notice.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:13:11 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ( Subject: Re: DECterm improvement request( Message-ID: <d55qjn$nh5$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  J >> For instance, if I have a sleeping screen and get an email, it would beH >> nice to have the screen wake up automatocally without having to reachJ >> for the CTRL keyt to turn the screen on to see who sent the email. (for* >> when not working right at that screen).  G >Some folks use the screen saver to lock the screen, so in that case a  4 >broadcast should NOT do away with the screen saver.  K By default, there are two levels of screen saver.  First is when the screen I goes blank but hitting the keyboard/wiggling the mouse just puts you back I where you were.  The second level is when the automatic screen lock kicks . in, you have to enter your password to resume.  F The response to an email or something must _not_ undo any screen lock.  D (aside: I noticed on 8.2 a delay of about 2 seconds between wigglingH the mouse and when the screen appears, that wasn't there on 7.3-2.  This. is on older hardware however (TGA video card). --   -Mike    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 01:27:24 GMT + From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@nospam.net> . Subject: Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neckB Message-ID: <0sAde.3867$V01.2798@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----5 >>From: Jack Patteeuw [mailto:jjpatteeuw@nospam.net]   >>G >>The biggest problem we have with our mixed VAX (3 - 7630)/Alpha (1 -  H >>GS140) cluster is backups.  Full backups can take over 14 hours using  >>ABS/MDMS.  .  .  . I >>I need suggestions on how to measure the "capacity" of each CI as well  ? >>as the throughput of the HSJ's and the processors themselves.  >> >  >  > Jack,  > H > Fwiw, a similar environment took the approach of using a small DS25 toI > act as a tape server (and occasional batch job server) with a dedicated 
 > tape drive.  > J > This might be outside your budget, but it kept the cpu / memory /adapterE > backup loads off the other Alpha and VAX systems they had which was , > dedicated to interactive and applic tasks. > J > It also made for some interesting justifications for subsequent upgradesF > as they could see that some of their jobs which ran for 10+ hours on8 > VAX's ran in about an hour on the new "tape server"... >   B First, I doubt we could afford another Alpha, no matter how small.  G Second, based on testing using our 8 - 533 MHz processor GS140 (w/8 GB  F memory), even when doing nothing else, I don't see how adding another F Alpha would make a large difference.  (The GS140 never gets more than 8 25% busy, so it appears that the bottleneck is not CPU.)  E It seems that we can not get the data from the disk to the tape in a  H "reasonable" time.  Adding more tapes drives does not seem to help much.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:53:24 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... 0 Message-ID: <117dtdk1klvbcf8@corp.supernews.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:   0 > Most of these decisions were done before 2001. >   I Well, either Intel has been learning, or always knew how to change their  E mind.  They demonstrated that they can do so very rapidly.  I really  F need to go back and determine the date that they announced 64 bit x86.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:57:01 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... 0 Message-ID: <117dtkaqf06avfb@corp.supernews.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > b...@instantwhip.com wrote:  > C >>intel could still start making alpha ev79s and put the alpha team 
 >>back on ev8  >  > I > No, Intel has no right to sell Alpha CPUs. They have everything else of D > Alpha, but they cannot sell Alpha CPUs... unless they talk with HP > first. >   F They appear to have the rights to everything.  So, they call it Beta,  and sell it.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 16:26:20 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>7 Subject: OpenVMS Job Opportunity in Southern California / Message-ID: <BE9C052C.D576%roktsci@comcast.net>   K MTI, a leader in storage systems for over 20 years is looking for motivated J individuals who are interested in providing software support for a varietyI of storage related software products. Applicants should be well versed in K current storage and backup technologies for a wide variety of platforms and E operating systems, especially OpenVMS. The particular position we are I looking to fill would require proficiency in the OpenVMS Operating system D as well as one or more of the following; UNIX, Linux and/or Windows.   L Background in Networking, SAN/NAS storage systems, Oracle and or MS Exchange- servers, and Legato Networker are a big plus.   K MTI is a world-wide company with corporate offices located in Orange County E in Southern California. The position would be in the Tustin Corporate H office. The position would be supporting MTI's OpenVMS suite of softwareH products roughly 25% to 33% of the time initially. Applicants must be USL citizens, and would be willing to interview and live in Southern California.  B If you are interested, please send your cover letter and resume to VMSSupport@mti.com.    http://support.mti.com http://www.mti.com     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:05:39 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> G Subject: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?) 1 Message-ID: <k-SdnYqrgdTYL-vfRVn-1Q@adelphia.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 > In article <964A88682wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>, 6 > 	wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes: >  >>Hi Folks,  >>L >>I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) and Pathworks N >>(PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting the answers I need.  I'm 3 >>hoping someone here might be able to help me out.  >  > H > Yeah, what he said.  And while someone is answering his question aboutI > something similar regarding Radius?  I have Active Directory available, F > but I also have radius and anything that will keep me from having toH > give the students yet another password to loose would sure make my job	 > easier.   B http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru/~laishev/ has links to both Radius   clients and servers for OpenVMS.   I have never used it myself.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 00:15:32 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)K Subject: Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?) , Message-ID: <3dnu53F6sng3qU1@individual.net>  1 In article <k-SdnYqrgdTYL-vfRVn-1Q@adelphia.com>, 0 	"John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:4 >> In article <964A88682wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>,7 >> 	wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes:  >>   >>>Hi Folks, >>> M >>>I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) and Pathworks  O >>>(PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting the answers I need.  I'm  4 >>>hoping someone here might be able to help me out. >>   >>  I >> Yeah, what he said.  And while someone is answering his question about J >> something similar regarding Radius?  I have Active Directory available,G >> but I also have radius and anything that will keep me from having to I >> give the students yet another password to loose would sure make my job 
 >> easier. > D > http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru/~laishev/ has links to both Radius " > clients and servers for OpenVMS. >   % A couple of Servers, no clients.  :-(    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:53:19 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 2 Subject: Re: SYS$SYSROOT and similar logical namesE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505021631590.10042@localhost.localdomain>    On Sun, 1 May 2005, AEF wrote:  1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  >> ...F >> Third, it is probably not supported, but it would make sense to me D >> to add a third translation for SYS$SYSROOT, namely pointing to a F >> directory on a non-system disk shared by all members of a cluster, G >> for example containing common SYSUAF.DAT etc.  This would allow one  @ >> redefinition (which could be done, for example, only if this C >> directory is available) rather than defining SYSUAF and all the   >> other logicals explicitly.  > F > I see no reason not to do this if you're careful and as long as you E > don't add any directories in front of the sys$specific search list  
 > element.  G I did this in V6.2.  Files got deleted on reboot.  The whole sad story   is at   C <http://eisner.encompasserve.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/2701.HTML>.   ) If you just want to see the answer, go to   F <http://eisner.encompasserve.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/2701.16.HTML>.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 00:29:21 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>* Subject: Re: TCPIP FTP Problem OpenVMS 7.3: Message-ID: <BBzde.1000$31.178@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  I I'm not sure how you get a service configured without an associated user  0 name.  Anyway, a couple of easy things to try...  F First, you should be using @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP/SHUTDOWN to F start/stop the service.  Otherwise, starting from scratch should only J require you to delete the TCPIP$FTP account and SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP] > directory.  You may also need to execute TCPIP SET NOSERV FTP.  B Then rerun @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG to re-enable the FTP service.   Matt.   8 "Meat Loaf" <julie.dayton@comcast.net> wrote in message * news:LtmdnYXVbo8Dfe_fRVn-og@comcast.com... > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Meat Loaf wrote:  >> >H >> > Also I noticed today if you enter "$ tcpip show services" FTP showsG >> > up as disabled, but when we ran the network config we installed it  >> > and enabled it. >>I >> The TCPIP software will disable a service if it finds that its startup G >> has failed a number of times. So if your FTP software still fails to 9 >> start due to file protection problems, this is normal.  >>H >> When a service is enabled, if a process hasn't taken control over theC >> specified port, the TCPIP services software starting at 5.3 will G >> automatically start a process when there is an incoming call to that  >> port. >>H >> So disabling the service is fair if the TCPIP stack has realised that, >> the process fails whenever it is started. >  > Another bit of information.  > " > ***** On my working system ***** > - > PSSBCK::System$ tcpip sho service ftp /full  >  > Service: FTP. >                           State:     EnabledI > Port:               21     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0 @ > Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$FTP       Process: > TCPIP$FTP E > Limit:              10     Active:      0             Peak:       1  > . > File:         TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$FTP_RUN.COM > Flags:        None >  > Socket Opts:  Rcheck Scheck 1 > Receive:            0     Send:               0  > H > Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO > Addr9 > File:        SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG  > 
 > Security > Reject msg:  not defined > Accept host: 0.0.0.0 > Accept netw: 0.0.0.0 >  > & > ***** On my NOT working system ***** > . > BRKOUT::System$ tcpip show service ftp /full >  > Service: FTP/ >                           State:     Disabled I > Port:               21     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0 ? >                           User_name: not defined     Process:  > TCPIP$FTP  > $  > D > Is it possible to copy a tcpip$ftp configuration between systems?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 00:20:34 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>' Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.5 on OpenVMS V8.2 9 Message-ID: <mtzde.993$31.829@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   G > Is this restriction likely to be lifted in the next version of TCPIP?   L Yes.  It has been addressed and will appear in ECO releases for V54 and V55.  M A workaround I prefer, is to use FTP over an SSH tunnel.  This works well if  6 you have control over both the client and server ends.  E > I have a large number of command files that copy datafiles from our ? > work VMS cluster onto the U**x webserver--it is impractial to C > preconvert every single file into Stream-LF format before copying  > them  K Perhaps serve them directly from VMS via Apache?  Apache also comes with a  3 utility to convert whold directories to Stream-LF,  F APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$CONVERT_STREAMLF.COM; which you may find  helpful.   > <rant>K > Why couldn't sftp have been designed to be backwards-compatible with ftp? G > Then in order to have encrypted transfer, all one would need to do to 9 > make existing ftp-using command files work would be to:  > $ FTP :== SFTP > and voila!> > The implementation of SSH has been very badly thought out...	 > </rant>    Only in a perfect world...   Matt.     C "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> wrote in message  ( news:4271513e@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu...D > Last night I upgraded my home system from V7.3-2 to V8.2, in orderG > to try out the new V5.5 TCPIP.  The X11 forwarding via the "standard" C > U**x mechanism works very nicely: I simply logged into a U**x box > > at work, type "nutscrape" and up popped the Netscape window. > ? > I was disappointed to find that sftp will still only transfer 4 > Stream-LF (or fixed-length 512-byte record) files. > G > Is this restriction likely to be lifted in the next version of TCPIP?  > E > I have a large number of command files that copy datafiles from our ? > work VMS cluster onto the U**x webserver--it is impractial to C > preconvert every single file into Stream-LF format before copying E > them.  In addition, most of these command files rename the files as F > they copy them (not possible with sftp) or append them onto existingK > remote files (also not possible).  So the inability to copy non-Stream-LF F > files is but one hurdle to our adopting sftp for use in all cases... >  > <rant>K > Why couldn't sftp have been designed to be backwards-compatible with ftp? G > Then in order to have encrypted transfer, all one would need to do to 9 > make existing ftp-using command files work would be to:  > $ FTP :== SFTP > and voila!> > The implementation of SSH has been very badly thought out...	 > </rant>  >  >  > --  J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------J > Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.- > Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center J > gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html: > OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 22:45:00 -0500 7 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> ' Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.5 on OpenVMS V8.2 . Message-ID: <4276e5ac@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>  / Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote: H :> Is this restriction likely to be lifted in the next version of TCPIP?  N : Yes.  It has been addressed and will appear in ECO releases for V54 and V55.     Great!  O : A workaround I prefer, is to use FTP over an SSH tunnel.  This works well if  8 : you have control over both the client and server ends.     Unfortunately, I don't :-(  M : Perhaps serve them directly from VMS via Apache?  Apache also comes with a    F   Not a practical option ATM.  Some of the web-accessible files are GBG in size and we don't want to clog up our subnet with people downloading J them.  That's why we use our Computational Facility's webserver--downloads+ from there don't affect our subnet traffic.   G   But the ability to not have to preconvert files will be very welcome!   	    Gareth    --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center H gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 18:22:01 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com 2 Subject: Weekly boot camp update - Week of May 2ndC Message-ID: <1115083321.342296.113360@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan# Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:17 PM  To: Skonetski, SusanD Subject: Week of May 4th OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp Update     Dear Distribution lists,  ? Here is this weeks boot camp update.  As you can see things are G progressing well, both the crash dump and TCP/IP pre boot camp seminars 8 are now full.  I will start a wait list if it is needed.   Current registration is: 166' % of 200 (original registration) is 83% D % of 250 (revised registration so that no one is turned away) is 66% Web site Views 33,540  There are now 6 weeks to go    Pre Boot Camp Events  F Crash Dump Analysis Tuesday - Saturday May 31- June 4 is now FULL - no& further registrations will be accepted  G TCP/IP Seminar Wed Jun 1 is now FULL - no further registrations will be  accepted  C Oracle Rdb seminar there are still a few seats left to reserve your  seatE http://www.oracle.com/webapps/events/EventsDetail.jsp?p_eventId=34804   G Saturday and Sunday June 4th and 5th OpenVMS Certification testing will / be available in the Conway room (Pre Boot Camp)   G Post Boot Camp Friday June 10 and June 11 OpenVMS Certification testing % will be available in the Conway room.   B Post Week Session: June 14/15 CHARON-VAX training, For Windows andC OpenVMS/Alpha In the facilities of: Oracle Corporation, New England  Development Center, One Oracle Drive, Nashua, New Hampshire, USA Training Room 1003   HEADS UP BOOT CAMP ATTENDEES  X ****************************************************************************************  G Changes are being made regularly to the agenda you may want to visit to 
 keep updated.   D Boot Camp Hotel information:  EVERY ONE is responsible for their OWN hotel reservations  F Please do not accept ANOTHER rate other than what is advertised on theE web site http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html (scroll down)   F You need to make your own hotel reservations there is now a NEW number- to call to make your reservation 877-619-0359   D Boot Camp attendees you will be given the opportunity to select your2 sessions approximately 2 weeks prior to the event.  X ****************************************************************************************  - Please let me know if you have any questions.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:54:54 -04002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Weekly boot camp update - Week of May 2ndB Message-ID: <1115085275.324edca2d36fe0563013dc17dbe77a64@teranews>  	 Dear Sue,a  7 I take strong issue with the subject of this thread :-)e  E Since VMS is very rarely booted, your subject make the imprivation ofc6 weekly boots for VMS and that is extremely misleading.   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 02 May 2005 17:58:56 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>4 Subject: RE: What is Different or Special About VMS?7 Message-ID: <Xns964ACB796C81Edcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>S  % %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Main, Kerry wrote in VI news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ECF39@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.netA   <snip>  G > Well, I can almost guarantee that if you say SOX (Sarbanes Oxley) to ID > any manager in the financial services business and they will know C > exactly what you mean. And now even private companies outside of  ? > Finance segmentare being forced big time into SOX compliance.   K SOX has been forced onto people no thanks to the likes of Enron.  It makes iK for interesting work in improving the auditability of financial processes, SJ but this is mainly getting more signatures (electronic or otherwise) onto * documents and the initiation of processes.  H I don't know if the audit functions available in VMs are likely to come L into play in this area, but auditing down to who accessed a file when could H become relevant if we get more Enron-style scandald despite legislation 	 like SOX.e     Doc. -- LG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.EG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.e   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 15:57:05 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?3 Message-ID: <afQbJfTnrjmV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3dmmonF6pm9d9U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:-5 > In article <zhBswzfYK9XQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Z >> In article <3deoa8F6s6di1U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> L >>> More likely VMS was at DEFCON and a few curious people walked by, tappedK >>> the keyboard, said, "What the heck is this?", shrugged their shoulders,r >>> and walked on. o >> a! >>    The record shows otherwize.n >  l > What record?    *    The one cited by several other posters.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 14:46:40 -0700v$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?B Message-ID: <1115070400.633291.88250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Craig Dedo wrote: B > Recently, I have been asked to make a presentation about the VMSG > operating system to an introductory computer science class at an area5G > high school.  The time for the presentation, including Q&A, will last: a:D > little under an hour.  Most of the students are at an introductory3 > level in terms of software development expertise.M >SE > The teacher has asked me to concentrate on what makes VMS differentvG > from other operating systems, e.g., Windows or the various Unixes.  IsB > should answer the question, "Why should a person choose VMS as a& > development or production platform?"    F Suggestion, just in case you haven't thought of it: Someone might ask:C "Given that VMS is so great, why VMS isn't used by more businesses,yD schools" or similar. So you might want to prepare an answer for that ahead of time. o   [...]a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:37:21 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?, Message-ID: <yOudnWNLHqhFSOvfRVn-qA@igs.net>  
 AEF wrote: > Craig Dedo wrote:nC >> Recently, I have been asked to make a presentation about the VMSIH >> operating system to an introductory computer science class at an areaC >> high school.  The time for the presentation, including Q&A, willb? >> last a little under an hour.  Most of the students are at aneA >> introductory level in terms of software development expertise.h >>F >> The teacher has asked me to concentrate on what makes VMS differentH >> from other operating systems, e.g., Windows or the various Unixes.  IC >> should answer the question, "Why should a person choose VMS as a ' >> development or production platform?"s >n >hH > Suggestion, just in case you haven't thought of it: Someone might ask:E > "Given that VMS is so great, why VMS isn't used by more businesses,rF > schools" or similar. So you might want to prepare an answer for that > ahead of time.    J One of the answers to that is that VMS is just about the only commerciallyL available 'proprietary' operating system which is not advertised and has not< been advertised for nearly a decade (give or take a little).       --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:29:04 -0700+ From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>-* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?@ Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.63.0505021111150.2329@pangtzu.panda.com>  * On Mon, 2 May 2005, Michael Moroney wrote:D > meaning it's OK for other codes not listed to be used, but this is > discouraged.  Also:e > [snip]I > meaning a client MUST accept a 556 status as a permanent error and deal  > with it appropiately.5 > [snip]H > Don't read into it too much, in other words.  As to 556 "not defined", > only partially true. > [snip]K > This is computer communications, not the fine points of law.  Having saidrE > that, if VMS is replacing a standard status passed to it with a 556n0 > status, that is wrong and should be corrected.   All of the above is correct.  D This is what Postel's robustness principle ("be liberal in what you 8 accept, be conservative in what you send") is all about:H   . when reading, an application MUST acccept all valid input, even whenK     it is different from what the specification says should be sent or even 4     if the specification says it should not be sent.@   . when sending, an application should limit itself to what theI     specification says should be sent; and in particular it should eschewa3     what the specification says should not be sent.-  6 There are two misunderstandings of Postel's principle.  H The first is the notion that an application should attempt to apply "do I what I mean" semantics to malformed input rather than rejecting it: "OK,  K the specification does not allow that space there; but your program should aF have accepted it anyway rather than saying syntax error."  Typically, D server authors hear this from aggrieved client authors who can't be K bothered to read the specification and instead empirical testing.  This is  = the If It Works With Outlook Then It Must Be Correct fallacy.M  K The second misunderstanding arises as an overreaction to the first one; it sJ assumes that the "liberal" part of Postel's principle is wrongheaded, and J therefore it is mandatory that the application enforce the specification. H These folks promote "SHOULD" to "MUST"; and "SHOULD NOT" to "MUST NOT". I In the face of explicit text that the other end's behavior is permitted, t* they point to "SHOULDs" and "SHOULD NOTs".  J The specifications do a good job in defining "be conservative in what you K send".  That is what all the MUSTs, SHOULDs, SHOULD NOTs, and MUST NOTs in  E the RFCs are all about.  They don't describe "be liberal in what you t accept" at all.e  
 -- Mark --   http://staff.washington.edu/mrc F Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 16:01:11 -0500n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)U* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?3 Message-ID: <c63TftbUFcu$@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  T In article <ZCmX9$O2DSi6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >  > I can smell that from here.d  F    Multinet returns an appropriate code which is not called out in the@    RFC when a sender is rejected by multinet:smtp_server_reject.  D    Smells good to me.  There is no RFC code for "get lost, spammer".   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2005 16:02:21 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?3 Message-ID: <xl1XQan+7YFM@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  b In article <d55oek$vpu$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > C >    An SMTP server SHOULD send only the reply codes listed in thisuH >    document.  An SMTP server SHOULD use the text shown in the examples >    whenever appropriate.  E    I've not yet found an SMTP server which uses those texts.  Some of E    them, but not all of them.  In fact the RFC uses different text ins    its own examples.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:35:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com>o* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?B Message-ID: <1115069700.0deef2e4d3f260cf9120938d63dad9f7@teranews>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:nF > Synthesizing an RFC 2821 style status code that never appeared in anG > RFC 2821 dialogue?  In place of an RFC 2821 status code that actuallyw > did appear in that dialogue?  H Yep. Don't ask me. But i have seen it happen with TCPIP Services 5.3 for outbound mail.  G In fact, it was for an email to HP.COM wich would return some "user noteF found" message, when in fact, once symbiont tracing was turned on, theH HP SMTP server was clearly issued another message about spam protection.7 (this was as a response to the RCPT TO: command though.c  A The VMS bounce messages were telling me that Sue Skonetski was anb invalid username at HP.i  G (this was when I had a dynamic IP with a cable company who had sent alliG its IPs to the RBLs, so my IP was not able to send to hp.com directly).M   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:56:33 -0700-, From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>2 Subject: Re: [DECterm] Fontselection not honored ?+ Message-ID: <d55pki$j2n$1@news01.intel.com>s    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:K > If I set my home session with CDE all (count and names of desktops, count P > and name of applications in each desktop and so on) is stored (which is good). > D > However, if I have DECterms stored with its (default ?) setting ofL > "Normal/80, Condensed/132" (and with little font) but with 132cols stored,J > every time I log in, the DECterm gets created with 'normal' style (meansM > it is big) until eg. an editor session (means some kind of escape sequence).D > reduces its size to the right (=condensed, because of 132col) one. > 9 > Note: not the settings in "Window Options" are changed,c% > they are only not honored obviously  > > > Does anyone know, is this a bug in DECterm (which I believe)* > or in another part of CDE (like fonts) ?  7      I'd be interested in the answer to this as well...-  A      I think I've observed that CDE honors DECterm customizationstA found in DECW$USER_DEFAULTS:DECW$TERMINAL_DEFAULT.DAT.  Also notevB that DECterm's Options menu has a "Save Named Options" would allow@ you to save a non-default group of DECterm settings.  Then you'dE need to convince CDE to use those named options with a /RESOURCE_FILEv2 qualifier on the CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHED command.  A      This is moderately easy to do under DECwindows/Motif.  As my B question from a week or two ago makes clear, I have no idea how to do it under CDE. :-{   	-KenT -- a6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:46:56 -0400X- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com>a2 Subject: Re: [DECterm] Fontselection not honored ?B Message-ID: <1115070437.d101d85d6546c6228b4485cb474e1ff5@teranews>  F > > However, if I have DECterms stored with its (default ?) setting ofN > > "Normal/80, Condensed/132" (and with little font) but with 132cols stored,L > > every time I log in, the DECterm gets created with 'normal' style (means  B On VAX VMS, I had a situation where DECTERM read its defaults fromM SYS$LOGIN and when you saved the options they would go to DECW$USER_DEFAULTS.r  D So after saving options, I have to remember to copy the file back to? sys$login so that next time it starts, it picks up the changes..  G After saving your options, check the dates for decw$decterm.dat to finde out where it saved it.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.245 ************************o reply) writes:  J >> For instance, if I have a sleeping screen and get an email, it would beH >> nice to have the screen wake up automatocally without having to reachJ >> for the CTRL keyt to turn the screen on to see who sent the email. (for* >> when not working right at that screen).  G >Some folks use the screen saver to lock the screen, so in that case a  4 >broadcast shoul
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