1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 246       Contents: Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas ' Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question  Can FORTRAN 90 do this? 4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? cobol.vim for VIM  Re: DEC/MMJ connectors Re: DEC/MMJ connectors- Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me) - Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me) - Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me) - Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me)  More VAX help needed Re: PPP (Poor Prior Planning) B Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?) Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam Re: Syntax Highlighting  Re: Syntax Highlighting ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:07:54 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas) Message-ID: <d57m2a$5s8$1@news.BelWue.DE>   U In article <d55ino$1kk$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:   E >As far as I know that is not correct.  There were three parts to the G >Pathworks/Mac product, the client was Thursby, the file sharing stuff  B >was licensed from Alisa, and the transport itself was apparently G >licenced directly from Apple.  The second part was licensed from Alisa > >when Rob Denny was still CEO of that company.  Afterwards the; >rights for things Alisa were bought by "Fabrik" which then B >morphed into "ROI Direct.com".  By this time they had no interestF >whatsoever in things VMS.  Dennis Bell, VP Operations ROI Direct.com,A >officially waived their interests in all such things in an email A >to me Oct 21,1999 which was then forwarded to Compaq. Since that ? >was pre-dot.com burst the odds are that that company no longer F >exists.  Their "web site" http://www.roi-direct.com/ is one of those A >"future home of a registered domain" pages.  I feel that at this > >point the 2nd component of Pathworks/Mac (file sharing, maybe1 >the printer level) is certifiably "abandonware".   H I tried the same here from Europe. No problem with Alisa, but I found no% way to get a statement from Apple :-(   L I am still willing to put some money into AppleTalk for VMS, but the pricing of SRI was way too much.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 07:44:01 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <ZBSRV8Q$wjS9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <5a4PHSRQQrhg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > J > So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers.  F    Let me understand this, are we talking VMS access to Apple printersE    or MacOS access to VMS printers?  In the latter case there is LPD, ;    which the panel for adding printers under MacOS accepts.   B    In the former, I think you need to get OS X in the middle for a;    current solution.  Not the best situation, but workable.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 07:46:19 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <nQZjpCbZ+POD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1115070869.194bdfde3d7b30a3a3e32233c981ac25@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > E > For printers, this is quite different. Appletalk printer interfaces I > offer supperior functionality to LAT or TELNET, especially for DECLASER B > printers.  Consider the need for a proprietary utility that usesH > APPLETALK to configure the DEC printer's IP stack. (this can't be done > from a VMS host).   H    What advantage do you get?  I've never used AppleTalk for access to aB    DEC printer.  The only time I really had to roll my own for anyC    printer was when I had an SVID LPD server listening to a BSD LPD E    client and had to upgrade the SVID server script to understand the     BSD options.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:49:51 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas) Message-ID: <d57vhu$gh6$1@news.BelWue.DE>   q In article <ZBSRV8Q$wjS9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: d >In article <5a4PHSRQQrhg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>  K >> So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers.  > G >   Let me understand this, are we talking VMS access to Apple printers F >   or MacOS access to VMS printers?  In the latter case there is LPD,< >   which the panel for adding printers under MacOS accepts. > C >   In the former, I think you need to get OS X in the middle for a < >   current solution.  Not the best situation, but workable.   We have the following setup:  7     Mac --->AppleTalk---> VMS --->something---> printer   G "something" is no problem. The problem is "AppleTalk". The advantage of I AppleTalk is that a Mac user may get an automatically updated list of all M available printers and their capabilities. Of course you may use LPD but then K you have to configure each printer manually on each Mac (or you tell VMS to  speak "Rendezvous").   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:00:15 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas5 Message-ID: <030520050959379992%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <5a4PHSRQQrhg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  5 > In article <2FMEzKwJBT0S@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: G > > In article <020520051235105991%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson " > > <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > >>  L > >> As we now now, there were no Y2K problems in the product.  The offer toI > >> provide versions that worked with future OpenVMS versions would sure  > >> come in handy now, though.  > > K > >    Since MacOS has recognized Windows networking for many versions now, I > >    and Advanced Server (or samba) does that, and few people are using H > >    Macs as servers to VMS, there's little call for AppleTalk on VMS. > J > So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers.  A I agree.  AppleTalk offers guaranteed bi-directionality.  Printer F messages and errors are returned to the host.  The printer responds toD PostScript queries.  These are things that the IP stack on a printerD often cannot do.  It allows for quick and easy printer setup on Macs8 where all printer features are automatically discovered.  : That said, technologies like Rendezvous may offer the sameB functionality, but it runs over IP and doesn't help those who haveC older printers which have _only_ AppleTalk or a less-than-robust IP  stack.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:28:23 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas+ Message-ID: <d585ao$ome$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: e > In article <jUZyyreGECjE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   H >   To recap something I researched for one of the previous discussions K >   of this particular topic and this particular product, the code involved J >   is encumbered by at least one third-party vendor, and I am accordinglyF >   unable to add the package onto the OpenVMS Freeware.  I don't have= >   clearance to provide it via the Freeware, in other words.   H Would they have to shoot you if you divulged which part of the code and F which vendor?  As I said in my post the Alisa derived bits seem to be G abandonware at this point.  The Pathworks Client tools probably aren't  F of much interest to VMS users now (although it was cool to be able to E DECNET from a Mac to a VAX) so even if Thursby still has control over F that stuff the remaining Pathworks/Mac users probably don't need them.D That leaves the appletalk transport itself, presumably still tied up1 with Apple somehow.  Is that the stumbling block?    Thanks,    David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 12:17:00 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <tK1tNgblKQFu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d57vhu$gh6$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:  . > The problem is "AppleTalk". The advantage ofK > AppleTalk is that a Mac user may get an automatically updated list of all O > available printers and their capabilities. Of course you may use LPD but then M > you have to configure each printer manually on each Mac (or you tell VMS to  > speak "Rendezvous").  E    Can you use Windows networking (or samba) instead of AppleTalk?  I L    haven't tried this from Mac to a VMS server, but I know my Windows system8    can search for Windows print services on the network.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 10:01:34 -0700  From: needin4mation@gmail.com 0 Subject: Basic UIC Question and Watcher QuestionC Message-ID: <1115137496.899419.224780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi,   ; I am not the greatest OpenVMS sysadmin.  Please forgive me.   C If I create a new UIC in MCR Authorize, can I put users in this UIC ? like Windows groups?  This way I can put this UIC in Watcher to 	 override.   A Currently, all the users have a UIC (of course).  I don't want to G change what they have.  I was thinking I could create a new generic UIC F (group?) and put all those users in it without modifying anything they currently have access to.    Thank you for any help.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:09:08 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com  Subject: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?Q Message-ID: <OF265F8635.3F937154-ON85256FF6.005DC361-85256FF6.005E0FE5@metso.com>    Can FORTRAN 90 do this?   #         STRING HOLDDATA(100), PER04  ..'         HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2) 0         HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15)         GS03 = PER04(3:)  4 It is from a MARKIII FORTRAN source program. I don't- know if PADR is a function or something else. - I assume the "STRING" should become a form of . "CHARACTER" type, but I'm unclear on the rest.1 I think it's storing an input record and wants to  address byte-ranges within.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 08:03:01 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? , Message-ID: <42773035$1@news.langstoeger.at>  r In article <1115070567.45de0c09e93c112715311ab971f9ebb1@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Larry Kilgallen wrote: L >> Effective with VMS 7.3-2 you can create whatever authentication mechanism; >> you want (and so can vendors) by writing a custom-ACME.   > 8 >Isn't this on Alpha only ? Or did ACME make it to VAX ?  A External Authentication via PATHWORKS is available on VAX as well   4 (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system]D                         [Protection=(RWC,RWC,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  2   "PWRK$ACME_DEFAULT_DOMAIN" [exec] = "yourdomain"B   "PWRK$ACME_MODULE" [exec] = "SYS$SHARE:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_VAX.EXE"/   "SYS$ACME_MODULE" [exec] = "PWRK$ACME_MODULE" "   "SYS$SINGLE_SIGNON" [exec] = "3"  F However, as Advanced Server for OpenVMS (= V7 and up) is not availableD on VAX (only PATHWORKS = V5 + V6), it is possible that external authE to M$ ADS is not directly available because it is too new (maybe only H possible via a NT compatibility mode on M$) and the new general externalG authentication ACME scheme (where different protocols - like eg. LDAP - H could be plugged in - after you wrote it) is AFAIK not available on VAX.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:13:47 -0400$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? , Message-ID: <d57mdd$nsk$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  
 Hi Warren,  ? "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org> wrote in message  + news:964A88682wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30...  [snip] > L > Ideally, I'd like to install something on the OpenVMS boxes that says "UseK > AD to authorize certain users".  I see the EXTAUTH flag in the UAF, which L > leads to my next question:  If EXTAUTH is asserted for a given user, whereL > is the UIC for process creation taken from?  Can it come from the externalJ > authorization engine, or is it taken from the UAF?  This is probably theI > most crutial question, since UIC synchronization is high on the list of * > manadatory requirements for this effort. >   L Advanced Server (on Alphas) and PATHWORKS (on the VAXen) can integrate into K an AD domain, regardless of the mode (native or mixed) of the domain.   If  L the AD domain is in native mode, AS/PW can only be a Member server, relying ( on domain controllers to validate users.  K Regardless, with external authorization enabled (and note, you do NOT need  M any licenses to use AS/PW for extauth), whenever the user logs into OpenVMS,  L they specify their Windows domain username/password.  Those credentials are % passed to AS/PW to validate the user.   H The UIC is always taken from the sysuaf.   There is an implicit mapping C between domain username and sysuaf username if they are identical.  I Otherwise, the $ ADMIN ADD HOSTMAP command can be used to map the domain   username to a sysuaf username.  F Also, an extauth user is subject to the domain security policy (i.e., C password length, complexity, lifetime, etc) rather than the sysuaf   equivalents.  J With extauth users can have a single username/password to access all OVMS I systems.   When a user changes their domain password, the next time they  J login to OpenVMS the system automatically updates the sysuaf password for I their account (on that system/cluster only).  This is to accommodate any  M legacy applications which bypass LOGINOUT.EXE and access the sysuaf directly  F to do user validation.  Typically, an extauth user will never use the H password in sysuaf again.  Or, if a user's extauth flag is removed, the K sysuaf password will (in most cases) be identical to their domain password   and will continue to work.  D Many customers have successfully deployed external authentication...   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 07:49:59 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 3 Message-ID: <5FXGZnJ2gATq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1115070567.45de0c09e93c112715311ab971f9ebb1@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.soamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:L >> Effective with VMS 7.3-2 you can create whatever authentication mechanism; >> you want (and so can vendors) by writing a custom-ACME.   > 9 > Isn't this on Alpha only ? Or did ACME make it to VAX ?   C     IIRC 7.3-2 is an Alpha only release.  The last VAX release I've     seen was 7.3.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:13:24 -0000 4 From: wspencer@nospam.ap.org.mapson (Warren Spencer)= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 1 Message-ID: <964B65F98wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   G paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com (PEN) wrote in <d57mdd$nsk$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>:    Paul,   . This was really helpful.  Thank you very much!   ws   >Hi Warren,  > G >Advanced Server (on Alphas) and PATHWORKS (on the VAXen) can integrate C >into an AD domain, regardless of the mode (native or mixed) of the I >domain.   If the AD domain is in native mode, AS/PW can only be a Member    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:55:11 +0200: From: "Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk> Subject: cobol.vim for VIM< Message-ID: <427782bf$0$89875$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk>   Hi,   M I downloaded VIM6.3, but it seems impossible to get it to display COBOL-code  M correctly. I've been googling all day, but I can't find anything that really   works.6 VIM places red lines all over my COBOL-code. If I try:   :hi error none  K , the red lines disappear allright, but now words are only partly colored.  % This happens every 6. line I believe.    I've also tried putting:   let cobol_legacy_code=1  and  unlet cobol_legacy_code   ! in my .vimrc and .gvimrc - files.    Maybe its in my .vimrc-files  3 Are there any VIM-lovers out there who can help me?    --   Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen- "...Anybody that can talk can sing the blues. ' That doesn't mean people gonna like it. E You don't have to be black or white, red or yellow, just be a person. > And if you practice it, you can learn it. Whatever "it" is..." [B.B.King]     ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 04:58:40 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DEC/MMJ connectors B Message-ID: <1115121520.321885.54350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   GreyCloud wrote:< > Does anyone know where I can get a 6-pin DEC/MMJ to female > db25 cable??0 > I managed to acquire an unused VT420 terminal.  E Stonewall Cable, Inc has a variety of DEC cable equivalents available G in standard and custom lengths.  I bought a few last year from them and B am quite happy with the quality/price/delivery speed.  They are atF http://www.stonewallcable.com/  One thing to watch if you order is theG cable length.  The site is a little funky on how it's set and you could F end up with a standard length rather than a custom one if not careful.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 05:09:34 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DEC/MMJ connectors C Message-ID: <1115122174.743341.229130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > GreyCloud wrote:> > > Does anyone know where I can get a 6-pin DEC/MMJ to female > > db25 cable??2 > > I managed to acquire an unused VT420 terminal. >   C A google search also found this site with a pretty good explanation F (and pinouts) of some DECconnect cables and adapters.  Looks like theyG sell them also, but I have no direct knowledge of their product(s).  It 7 is at http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/cable/dec-mmj.html    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:12:02 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me)9 Message-ID: <40Jde.4790$VL3.272175@news20.bellglobal.com>   & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message= news:1115043434.423292.162270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... - > what took them so long?  A bronze 1 year is  > only $684 ...  > I A bronze contract for us on a two-CPU DS-20 including support for Layered K Products, OS,  and Documentation (automatically shipped every three months) ) was ~ C$8000. What  do you get for $684 ?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 12:22:34 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me), Message-ID: <3dp8oaF6ttb80U1@individual.net>  9 In article <40Jde.4790$VL3.272175@news20.bellglobal.com>, , 	"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > ( > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message? > news:1115043434.423292.162270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... . >> what took them so long?  A bronze 1 year is >> only $684 ... >>K > A bronze contract for us on a two-CPU DS-20 including support for Layered M > Products, OS,  and Documentation (automatically shipped every three months) + > was ~ C$8000. What  do you get for $684 ?   H More of the dope he smokes.  How do you think he comes up with the stuff he posts here?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 05:50:18 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com 6 Subject: Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me)B Message-ID: <1115124618.835453.96170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: ( > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message? > news:1115043434.423292.162270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... / > > what took them so long?  A bronze 1 year is  > > only $684 ...  > > C > A bronze contract for us on a two-CPU DS-20 including support for  Layered E > Products, OS,  and Documentation (automatically shipped every three  months) + > was ~ C$8000. What  do you get for $684 ?  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html  < we get 9x5 openvms base support ... for $684 ... this is for; a alphaserver 800, so I can't imagine you paying that for a 3 ds20 ... sounds like a gold support quote to me ...    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:50:57 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me)8 Message-ID: <ldMde.5845$3U.463310@news20.bellglobal.com>  ' <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  < news:1115124618.835453.96170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >  [...snip...]   > > > we get 9x5 openvms base support ... for $684 ... this is for= > a alphaserver 800, so I can't imagine you paying that for a 5 > ds20 ... sounds like a gold support quote to me ...  > M Just as a comparison, we were paying ~ C$1800 (not including taxes) just for  G the one-time purchase of the full (OS, Layered Products, Documentation  L (OpenVMS + Windows)) OpenVMS Alpha CD-ROMs. At the current exchange rate of + C$1 to US$0.80 that would be about US$1440.   I We always had to jump through hoops for approval which meant my employer  J would only allow us to purchase a new set of ROMs every 12-15 months. The M tables turned for us when we developed some new software in 2002 which ended  F in a granted patent in 2004. This made middle management look upon us L differently so we were no longer expected to do everything on the cheap. So H now we're getting the quarterly updates and no longer have to live like  Rodney Dangerfield.   I p.s. I also developed some software using MS-Visual Studio. When my boss  K starting seeing what MS was charging annually to support development tools  1 on Windows, the OpenVMS stuff no longer sky high.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 13:08:37 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: More VAX help needed , Message-ID: <3dpbekF6rifjsU1@individual.net>  A OK.  When I asked here a few days ago I got the idea that I could @ connect my storageworks cabinet to a sikngle 6640 without a star@ coupler.  I have had no luck doing it with any combination of CIC cable connections.  I asked the local VMS guru and he said it won't D work without a star coupler.  Sooooo......  Can anyone confirm this?E If that is the case, I have to increase the urgency of my begging for A one.  I should have known the second I abandoned my pack-rat ways 3 and let something go I would suddenly need it.  :-(   A On a happier note, I have figured out the HSJ and have created my + first stripeset and made it available.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:15:16 -0400? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> & Subject: Re: PPP (Poor Prior Planning)< Message-ID: <muMde.154286$UW6.149606@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   Bill  ) I have one sitting in our other warehouse I It is in at $0 But I would need something like $100 to process the order. 6 We could get it to you within 1 week by R & L shippers< My guess for shipping would be $200 give or take a few bucks  1 If you want it call me and I'll get it palletized    Regards      --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Skype ID: islandco Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message & news:3dkvurF6oebujU1@individual.net...E > Sometime ago I gave away a Star Coupler to someone because I really F > never anticipated having a system large enough to actually need one. > Well, I was wrong. > D > Is there any chance there is someone here with a Star Coupler theyC > find they have no need for that would be willing to part with it?  > F > And in the "feeling out the waters" department.  Is there any marketH > for a used TL812?  I have one here that I don't think we will be usingG > as my boss opted for a different backup strategy.  The big difference F > in this case is this isn't mine and if they opt to get rid of it theI > "U" will want to get something for it.  So, any interest or suggestions 4 > about what it might be worth would be appreciated. >  > bill >  > --  L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 15:21:46 GMT * From: Terry Aardema <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca>K Subject: Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?) < Message-ID: <Xns964B5F3E620Ctaardemanrcangcca@132.156.36.50>  0 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in* news:k-SdnYqrgdTYL-vfRVn-1Q@adelphia.com:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote:4 >> In article <964A88682wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>,; >>      wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes:  >>   >>>Hi Folks, >>> B >>>I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) andC >>>Pathworks (PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting the D >>>answers I need.  I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me >>>out.  >>   >>  C >> Yeah, what he said.  And while someone is answering his question E >> about something similar regarding Radius?  I have Active Directory H >> available, but I also have radius and anything that will keep me fromG >> having to give the students yet another password to loose would sure  >> make my job easier. > D > http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru/~laishev/ has links to both Radius " > clients and servers for OpenVMS. >  > I have never used it myself. >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only   D I use Ruslans' radius server; he was kind enough a few years ago to H modify it to allow authentication against an arbritray M$ domain. Works 
 like a charm.   G As to authenticating VMS users against an Active Directory domain; you  H still need to create a user account on each node/cluster the user needs F to log onto, but you can use External Authentication to deal with the I password. Note that, unless care is taken in setting the AD password for  J the user so it only contains characters valid in a VMS password (ignoring H case), ACME may NOT be able to syncronize the password in the UAF to be E the same as the AD password. Although the user will be able to login  G interactively, some other types of access (FTP springs to mind) do NOT  H use the external authetication mechanism, and only look at the password I stored in the UAF. If ACME cannot syncronize the passwords, then you may   run into "issues".  G I haven't yet upgraded to V7.3-2 (and probably won't, as 8.2 should be  F here Real Soon Now (tm)), but the VMS password restrictions have been A (optionally) expanded to be compatible with M$ passwords, so the  & syncronization issue should disappear.  H AFAIK, Pathworks/Advanced Server is still a NT 4 style server, and does I NOT talk Active Directory. Yet I can authenticate my VMS users against a  H Win2000 AD domain without problems. It's been a while since we set this J up; it's possible that the Win2000 domain must be specifically set for NT @ 4 compatibility, or at least not unset. I really don't remember.   HTH   
 Terry Aardema  Systems and Network Manager  Natural Resources Canada   <#include disclaimer.h>    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 06:26:17 -0700 $ From: "Will" <willhay99@hotmail.com>' Subject: Renaming files using ftp renam C Message-ID: <1115126777.215630.267170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E I need to rename a file on a VMS platform after transferring the data & to an AS/400. The command below fails.  2 renam 'ANDYL354000.DAT;672' 'ANDYL354000.andy;672'  G Being new to the VMS platform, I've checked the FAQ but can't determine C why the rename should fail. The FAQ says mixed case is allowed. Any  ideas?   Many thanks    Will   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 06:56:39 -0700 ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> + Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renam C Message-ID: <1115128599.205928.317530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Will wrote: G > I need to rename a file on a VMS platform after transferring the data ( > to an AS/400. The command below fails. > 4 > renam 'ANDYL354000.DAT;672' 'ANDYL354000.andy;672' > ? > Being new to the VMS platform, I've checked the FAQ but can't 	 determine E > why the rename should fail. The FAQ says mixed case is allowed. Any  > ideas?  G Are you trying the rename on the VMS machine? Version of VMS? Platform? B Which TCP/IP stack? Are trying the rename within FTP or at the VMS prompt. . Do you get an error, if so, what is the error.  ; If you are do this at the prompt, remove the single quotes.    BTW, welcome to the VMS world.   Ken    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 07:29:34 -0700 $ From: "Will" <willhay99@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renam B Message-ID: <1115130574.136494.45490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  2 Thanks Ken - sorry for not providing more details:  G The rename is included in a  ftp script run from the AS/400 side. Using B OpenVMS V.7.3 on an HP AlphaServer ES45. Not sure about the TCP/IP Stack.   Thanks   Will   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 07:47:08 -0700 ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> + Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renam C Message-ID: <1115131628.013186.305930@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Will wrote: 4 > Thanks Ken - sorry for not providing more details: > C > The rename is included in a  ftp script run from the AS/400 side.  Using D > OpenVMS V.7.3 on an HP AlphaServer ES45. Not sure about the TCP/IP > Stack.  / Try removing the single quotes from the rename.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 17:03:28 +0200N+ From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam>4+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renam = Message-ID: <427792e8$0$78281$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>l   Will wrote:e4 > Thanks Ken - sorry for not providing more details: > I > The rename is included in a  ftp script run from the AS/400 side. UsingdD > OpenVMS V.7.3 on an HP AlphaServer ES45. Not sure about the TCP/IP > Stack. >  > Thanks >  > Will > F Try sending a help and a syst command to VMS machine.  These commands H are send from the FTP prompt on the AS400.  The usual BSD syntax, i.e., < the usual syntax on Windows, *nix, and many other systems is  
     quot help 
     quot systl  F But you may have to substitute quot and/or use quotes around help and   syst.  Then send the reply here.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:54:08 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renameQ Message-ID: <OF476E1FD1.2AB41345-ON85256FF6.00570FE5-85256FF6.00573234@metso.com>s   When I do this the command isl  9 quote "SITE SPAWN rename/nolog old_filespec new_filespec"e  D If you use apostrophes, OpenVMS will think you are attempting symbol
 substitution.n  I I do not use ODS5 or mixed-case on OpenVMS, so I do not know if that will- cause- added grief.  F Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote on 05/03/2005 11:03:28 AM:  
 > Will wrote: 6 > > Thanks Ken - sorry for not providing more details: > >cK > > The rename is included in a  ftp script run from the AS/400 side. UsingaF > > OpenVMS V.7.3 on an HP AlphaServer ES45. Not sure about the TCP/IP
 > > Stack. > > 
 > > Thanks > >t > > Will > >.G > Try sending a help and a syst command to VMS machine.  These commandsTI > are send from the FTP prompt on the AS400.  The usual BSD syntax, i.e.,r> > the usual syntax on Windows, *nix, and many other systems is >d >     quot helpd >     quot syste >oG > But you may have to substitute quot and/or use quotes around help ands" > syst.  Then send the reply here.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:00:33 +0000 (UTC). From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renami. Message-ID: <d58anh$7vc$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Will" <willhay99@hotmail.com> writes in article <1115126777.215630.267170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> dated 3 May 2005 06:26:17 -0700:iF >I need to rename a file on a VMS platform after transferring the data' >to an AS/400. The command below fails.a >t3 >renam 'ANDYL354000.DAT;672' 'ANDYL354000.andy;672'l >hH >Being new to the VMS platform, I've checked the FAQ but can't determineD >why the rename should fail. The FAQ says mixed case is allowed. Any >ideas?a  F The single quote means "expand this symbol".  What you have inside theI single quotes look like file names, not symbols.  They probably expand toC null.h  J Try it without the quotes.  In fact, a shorter version of the same command	 would be:    renam ANDYL354000.DAT;672 .andy    Add /log to see the results.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:58:05 -0500 2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Syntax Highlighting6 Message-ID: <Xns964B79BFF8278see2go4me@216.196.97.131>  1 Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> enlightened us with: >  4 > On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:05:25 +0200, "Mark Vilstrup. > Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk> wrote: >  >>Hi group,p6 >>Is there any way to get syntax highlighting, say for >>COBOL in OpenVMS?  >s4 > Should be in Netbeans real soon now. Already there > for Fortran, C, C++. i   The 'blurb' for this on   2 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/solutions.html   says:d  6     	We provide NetBeans as the integrated development/      environment tool on OpenVMS Alpha. You can-5      	implement your solution using any or all of the 6      languages available on OpenVMS: Java SDK, C++, C,'      Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, and Basic.   2 But those languages don't quite match the list of 8 language plugins if you actually wander over to the VMS  Netbeans page.  8 Any chance there will be a language plugin for those of , us with a more BASIC taste in VMS languages?   -Andy- -- p4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 17:29:40 GMTi* From: "Meg Garrison" <meg.garrison@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Syntax Highlighting2 Message-ID: <8yOde.4868$ej7.2101@news.cpqcorp.net>  M Actually, we're working on Pascal and Basic right now...but in the meantime, lK you can edit your Pascal and Basic source files with Distributed Netbeans.  G Just go to the options and addBAS to the list of files treated as text  H files.  You'll have to have a DCL command file to compile/link/run them  though.-   Best,  Meg3  > "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com> wrote in message 0 news:Xns964B79BFF8278see2go4me@216.196.97.131...2 > Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> enlightened us with: > 5 >> On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:05:25 +0200, "Mark Vilstrupo/ >> Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk> wrote:r >> >>>Hi group,7 >>>Is there any way to get syntax highlighting, say forS >>>COBOL in OpenVMS? >>5 >> Should be in Netbeans real soon now. Already theres >> for Fortran, C, C++.n >r > The 'blurb' for this ond >t4 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/solutions.html >  > says:S >c6 >    We provide NetBeans as the integrated development0 >     environment tool on OpenVMS Alpha. You can5 >     implement your solution using any or all of theg7 >     languages available on OpenVMS: Java SDK, C++, C,t( >     Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, and Basic. >h3 > But those languages don't quite match the list of-9 > language plugins if you actually wander over to the VMSp > Netbeans page. >.9 > Any chance there will be a language plugin for those of . > us with a more BASIC taste in VMS languages? >e > -Andy- > -- b6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant > -- Excepting Alice r   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 10:40:57 -0500e From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?3 Message-ID: <dTdZjmzCYL44@eisner.encompasserve.org>P  q In article <c63TftbUFcu$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: V > In article <ZCmX9$O2DSi6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >> 0 >> I can smell that from here. > H >    Multinet returns an appropriate code which is not called out in theB >    RFC when a sender is rejected by multinet:smtp_server_reject. > F >    Smells good to me.  There is no RFC code for "get lost, spammer".   You snipped the context.  G JF is reporting his understanding which says (paraphrasing from memory)vD that TCPIP Services, acting as an SMTP client is taking the RFC 2821B error code from the server, discarding it, creating a new RFC 2821: style error code and reporting that to the message sender.  B You have to use a lot of air freshener with that sort of behavior.    ? Yes, I agree that it's permissible for an SMTP server to report ; a 556 error code.  I've already posted here to that effect.m   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.246 ************************