1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 04 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 247       Contents: Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question + Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question  Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?  Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?  Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?  cobol.vim for VIM  Re: DEC/MMJ connectors Re: DEC/MMJ connectors DECUS Fall Symposium 1968  Re: DECUS Fall Symposium 1968  Re: DECUS Fall Symposium 1968 9 Eliminating files with extraneous characters in filenames = Re: Eliminating files with extraneous characters in filenames - Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me) % Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neck % Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neck % Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neck  FTP only access to VMS ?P Re: Good morning or good evening depending upon your location. I want to ask youP Re: Good morning or good evening depending upon your location. I want to ask you/ Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? $ HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!( Re: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!( Re: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!( Re: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home! Re: More VAX help needed OpenVMS using RAID drives  Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives  Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives " Re: Renaming files using ftp renam spam cancelled Re: Syntax Highlighting G Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License plate - Re: Weekly boot camp update - Week of May 2nd   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 16:16:16 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas3 Message-ID: <8ER2fJG1ZpOj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <ZBSRV8Q$wjS9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: e > In article <5a4PHSRQQrhg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >>  K >> So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers.  > H >    Let me understand this, are we talking VMS access to Apple printers% >    or MacOS access to VMS printers?   L I am talking about VMS access to HP printers with a robust two-way protocol.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:41:33 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us>   Subject: Re: Appletalk on AlphasD Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-1AB0BD.18414003052005@news.verizon.net>  + In article <d585ao$ome$1@naig.caltech.edu>, )  David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote: N > > In article <jUZyyreGECjE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > > (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > J > >   To recap something I researched for one of the previous discussions M > >   of this particular topic and this particular product, the code involved L > >   is encumbered by at least one third-party vendor, and I am accordinglyH > >   unable to add the package onto the OpenVMS Freeware.  I don't have? > >   clearance to provide it via the Freeware, in other words.  > J > Would they have to shoot you if you divulged which part of the code and H > which vendor?  As I said in my post the Alisa derived bits seem to be I > abandonware at this point.  The Pathworks Client tools probably aren't  H > of much interest to VMS users now (although it was cool to be able to G > DECNET from a Mac to a VAX) so even if Thursby still has control over H > that stuff the remaining Pathworks/Mac users probably don't need them.F > That leaves the appletalk transport itself, presumably still tied up3 > with Apple somehow.  Is that the stumbling block?  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu  F If I recall correctly, sometime in the early '90s, Apple gave Digital F all the rights to their parts of the PATHWORKS product, including the  AppleTalk stack.  F But I think Digital (or maybe Compaq by that time) sold the rights to 6 the other company that was going to provide Y2K fixes.  F So it would be my guess that this other company has the rights.  I do G _NOT_ have 1st hand knowledge, as they cancelled the PATHWORKS for Mac  = project in '95 and I took a job with the Digital UNIX group.    2                                         Bob Harris  I PS.  And the reason there were no Y2K issues with the PATHWORKS DECShare  I file server, was because I sweated bullets over the conversion of 4 time  I formats.  Native Mac, AppleTalk Filing Protocol time (it was different),  H UNIX Time, and OpenVMS Time (in microfortnights :-) and this was before C Alpha, so I did not have 64 bit registers to do the multiplies and   divides.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:12:18 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas+ Message-ID: <d590gj$3lt$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Bob Harris wrote:   H > If I recall correctly, sometime in the early '90s, Apple gave Digital H > all the rights to their parts of the PATHWORKS product, including the  > AppleTalk stack. > H > But I think Digital (or maybe Compaq by that time) sold the rights to 8 > the other company that was going to provide Y2K fixes.  B And then since there were no Y2K fixes that company had nothing toA sell!  Perhaps they'd part with this code for some nominal sum or F just put it into the public domain?  They must long since have written& off that purchase as a bad investment.   > K > PS.  And the reason there were no Y2K issues with the PATHWORKS DECShare  K > file server, was because I sweated bullets over the conversion of 4 time  K > formats.  Native Mac, AppleTalk Filing Protocol time (it was different),  J > UNIX Time, and OpenVMS Time (in microfortnights :-) and this was before E > Alpha, so I did not have 64 bit registers to do the multiplies and  
 > divides.  # Congratulations on a job well done.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 12:27:26 -0700  From: elementyl@hotmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher QuestionC Message-ID: <1115148446.129791.271360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D Sounds like you want identifiers, not UICs.  Take a look at ADD  and GRANT /ID in authorize.    James    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 13:02:21 -0700 % From: "djesys" <djesys@earthlink.net> 4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher QuestionC Message-ID: <1115150397.568827.274260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   C James's reply is correct. You'll want to go to the OpenVMS website, @ http://www.hp.com/go/openvms and follow the links to the on-lineF documentation. Then, find the Guide to System Security and have a readB through it. It's not a tutorial, but there's a lot of good info in there.  G The relationship between user and UIC is always that a user process can @ only be associated with a single UIC at any given time. "PersonaE services" can be used to achieve certain goals, but that's likely not F what you want. Use Rights identifiers to control access beyond what is0 available with the UIC-based object protections.  A If you change a user's UIC in Authorize, it effects all of "their G stuff" (files, directories, other objects) since it will still be owned A by their former UIC, and the user may no longer be able to access  "his/her stuff".  E Best to spend some time with the on-line doc.'s and get a better idea D of what is available rather than us trying to encapsulate the entire  docset in a few paragraphs here.   -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:43:03 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question6 Message-ID: <00A43387.A33C6BB0@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <1115137496.899419.224780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, needin4mation@gmail.com writes:  >Hi, > < >I am not the greatest OpenVMS sysadmin.  Please forgive me. > D >If I create a new UIC in MCR Authorize, can I put users in this UIC@ >like Windows groups?  This way I can put this UIC in Watcher to
 >override. > B >Currently, all the users have a UIC (of course).  I don't want toH >change what they have.  I was thinking I could create a new generic UICG >(group?) and put all those users in it without modifying anything they  >currently have access to. >   G You can't really do what you're trying to do. "Groups" means something  I different on VMS than it does on Windows.  The Windows groups, as another I poster pointed out, are really more like Access Control List Identifiers, C where a given username can be associated with multiple identifiers.   K On VMS, each username can only be associated with one UIC, which is divided H into [Group-number, member-number]; therefore, each username can only beJ associated with one group.  Membership in the group really only matters inK relation to files owned by other group members were group protection is set M differently from world protection (eg, S:RWED, O:RWED, G:RE, W:).  [Well, and 8 group logical name tables if you hold GRPNAM privilege.]  < Watcher will let you specify OVERRIDE /UIC=[group-number, *]  H It'll also let you specify usernames with wildcards, if that's any help.  E At least in the version I have, it won't let you do anything based on % identifiers the user/process holds.     H So I think you're stuck.  Rather than going through AUTHORIZE and addingJ identifiers to each username you want to do something with, go through WCPJ and specify what you want done to each username.  If it's something that'sK going to change very often, write a script to do it.  If you really, really G want to, you can invent identifiers for these groups and assign them in M AUTHORIZE, then have your script generate WCP commands based on users holding O the particular identifiers; that'll be easier for you when they change the work  hours of some group.   -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:14:54 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question0 Message-ID: <117g4vu1fvfus37@corp.supernews.com>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:e > In article <1115137496.899419.224780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, needin4mation@gmail.com writes:  >  >>Hi,  >>= >>I am not the greatest OpenVMS sysadmin.  Please forgive me.  >>E >>If I create a new UIC in MCR Authorize, can I put users in this UIC A >>like Windows groups?  This way I can put this UIC in Watcher to  >>override.  >>C >>Currently, all the users have a UIC (of course).  I don't want to I >>change what they have.  I was thinking I could create a new generic UIC H >>(group?) and put all those users in it without modifying anything they >>currently have access to.  >> >  > I > You can't really do what you're trying to do. "Groups" means something  K > different on VMS than it does on Windows.  The Windows groups, as another K > poster pointed out, are really more like Access Control List Identifiers, E > where a given username can be associated with multiple identifiers.  > M > On VMS, each username can only be associated with one UIC, which is divided J > into [Group-number, member-number]; therefore, each username can only beL > associated with one group.  Membership in the group really only matters inM > relation to files owned by other group members were group protection is set O > differently from world protection (eg, S:RWED, O:RWED, G:RE, W:).  [Well, and : > group logical name tables if you hold GRPNAM privilege.] > > > Watcher will let you specify OVERRIDE /UIC=[group-number, *] > J > It'll also let you specify usernames with wildcards, if that's any help. > G > At least in the version I have, it won't let you do anything based on ' > identifiers the user/process holds.    > J > So I think you're stuck.  Rather than going through AUTHORIZE and addingL > identifiers to each username you want to do something with, go through WCPL > and specify what you want done to each username.  If it's something that'sM > going to change very often, write a script to do it.  If you really, really I > want to, you can invent identifiers for these groups and assign them in O > AUTHORIZE, then have your script generate WCP commands based on users holding Q > the particular identifiers; that'll be easier for you when they change the work  > hours of some group. > 	 > -- Alan  >    Well, there are other options.  F You can change the UIC of a user account, and change the UIC of files E and directories.  However, there is some questions to be asked first.   H Objects (files) on VMS have 4 access masks, (S)ystem, (O)wner, (G)roup, D and (W)orld.  Each mask can specify (R)ead, (W)rite, (E)xecute, and  (D)elete access for an object.  I The Group mask is your concern here.  If you place all your users in the   same group, for example, UICs:   [101,1]  [101,2]  [101,3]  .  .  . 	 [101,255]   F Then each can use the Group mask when attempting to access any object I owned by a member of group '101'.  If this is allowable, then fine, it's  B a method of sharing objects (files).  If this isn't desired, then F setting the Group mask to whatever you wish to be allowed, and having D none of the capabilities on each object is in many ways the same as F having each user in a unique group.  Note that files are not the only C things that a group can share.  You really need to understand your   particular environment.   I Should the above prove feasable, then you can pick a group number, as in  D the above example, '101', and assign a 'member' number to each user.  A In the SYSUAF file, you will need to change the UIC of each user.   H On all disks you will have to change the UIC of the files owned by each 9 user.  You can set the protection masks at the same time.   A Please note, if you've understood all of the above, then you can  H probably achiece your purposes.  If not, you can really foul things up.    Your call.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 00:44:18 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question6 Message-ID: <00A43390.31ED08B8@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  Z In article <117g4vu1fvfus37@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:- >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: f >> In article <1115137496.899419.224780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, needin4mation@gmail.com writes: >>   >>>Hi, >>> > >>>I am not the greatest OpenVMS sysadmin.  Please forgive me. >>> F >>>If I create a new UIC in MCR Authorize, can I put users in this UICB >>>like Windows groups?  This way I can put this UIC in Watcher to >>>override. >>> D >>>Currently, all the users have a UIC (of course).  I don't want toJ >>>change what they have.  I was thinking I could create a new generic UICI >>>(group?) and put all those users in it without modifying anything they  >>>currently have access to. >>>  >>   >>  J >> You can't really do what you're trying to do. "Groups" means something L >> different on VMS than it does on Windows.  The Windows groups, as anotherL >> poster pointed out, are really more like Access Control List Identifiers,F >> where a given username can be associated with multiple identifiers. >>  N >> On VMS, each username can only be associated with one UIC, which is dividedK >> into [Group-number, member-number]; therefore, each username can only be M >> associated with one group.  Membership in the group really only matters in N >> relation to files owned by other group members were group protection is setP >> differently from world protection (eg, S:RWED, O:RWED, G:RE, W:).  [Well, and; >> group logical name tables if you hold GRPNAM privilege.]  >>  ? >> Watcher will let you specify OVERRIDE /UIC=[group-number, *]  >>  K >> It'll also let you specify usernames with wildcards, if that's any help.  >>  H >> At least in the version I have, it won't let you do anything based on( >> identifiers the user/process holds.   >>  K >> So I think you're stuck.  Rather than going through AUTHORIZE and adding M >> identifiers to each username you want to do something with, go through WCP M >> and specify what you want done to each username.  If it's something that's N >> going to change very often, write a script to do it.  If you really, reallyJ >> want to, you can invent identifiers for these groups and assign them inP >> AUTHORIZE, then have your script generate WCP commands based on users holdingR >> the particular identifiers; that'll be easier for you when they change the work >> hours of some group.  >>  
 >> -- Alan >>   >  >Well, there are other options.  > G >You can change the UIC of a user account, and change the UIC of files  F >and directories.  However, there is some questions to be asked first. > I >Objects (files) on VMS have 4 access masks, (S)ystem, (O)wner, (G)roup,  E >and (W)orld.  Each mask can specify (R)ead, (W)rite, (E)xecute, and   >(D)elete access for an object.  > J >The Group mask is your concern here.  If you place all your users in the  >same group, for example, UICs:  >  >[101,1] >[101,2] >[101,3] >. >. >.
 >[101,255] > G >Then each can use the Group mask when attempting to access any object  J >owned by a member of group '101'.  If this is allowable, then fine, it's C >a method of sharing objects (files).  If this isn't desired, then  G >setting the Group mask to whatever you wish to be allowed, and having  E >none of the capabilities on each object is in many ways the same as  G >having each user in a unique group.  Note that files are not the only  D >things that a group can share.  You really need to understand your  >particular environment. > J >Should the above prove feasable, then you can pick a group number, as in E >the above example, '101', and assign a 'member' number to each user.  > B >In the SYSUAF file, you will need to change the UIC of each user. > I >On all disks you will have to change the UIC of the files owned by each  : >user.  You can set the protection masks at the same time. > B >Please note, if you've understood all of the above, then you can I >probably achiece your purposes.  If not, you can really foul things up.  
 >  Your call.   I He says he doesn't want to change the UICs they have, and he wants to add K UICs so he can address them by group in Watcher.  I think your suggestions  K violate the constraints set by the original poster; I think the constraints H he's set give him an insoluble problem, and I've made him an alternative suggestion.   D So I don't think your post should have started with 'there are otherC options'; those options don't address the problem as he defined it.    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:27:51 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question+ Message-ID: <42783327.7DBB996A@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: > [snip]J > The Group mask is your concern here.  If you place all your users in the  > same group, for example, UICs: > 	 > [101,1] 	 > [101,2] 	 > [101,3]  > .  > .  > .  > [101,255]   E Remember also that UICs are expressed in OCTAL. The maximum value for G the group number is %O37776 and the maximum value for the member number . is %O177776. Groups 0, 1 and 300 are reserved.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 00:40:56 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: Basic UIC Question and Watcher Question0 Message-ID: <117gkinf0lr8t61@corp.supernews.com>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:\ > In article <117g4vu1fvfus37@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > . >>Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >>f >>>In article <1115137496.899419.224780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, needin4mation@gmail.com writes: >>>  >>>  >>>>Hi,  >>>>? >>>>I am not the greatest OpenVMS sysadmin.  Please forgive me.  >>>>G >>>>If I create a new UIC in MCR Authorize, can I put users in this UIC C >>>>like Windows groups?  This way I can put this UIC in Watcher to 
 >>>>override.  >>>>E >>>>Currently, all the users have a UIC (of course).  I don't want to K >>>>change what they have.  I was thinking I could create a new generic UIC J >>>>(group?) and put all those users in it without modifying anything they >>>>currently have access to.  >>>> >>>  >>> J >>>You can't really do what you're trying to do. "Groups" means something L >>>different on VMS than it does on Windows.  The Windows groups, as anotherL >>>poster pointed out, are really more like Access Control List Identifiers,F >>>where a given username can be associated with multiple identifiers. >>> N >>>On VMS, each username can only be associated with one UIC, which is dividedK >>>into [Group-number, member-number]; therefore, each username can only be M >>>associated with one group.  Membership in the group really only matters in N >>>relation to files owned by other group members were group protection is setP >>>differently from world protection (eg, S:RWED, O:RWED, G:RE, W:).  [Well, and; >>>group logical name tables if you hold GRPNAM privilege.]  >>> ? >>>Watcher will let you specify OVERRIDE /UIC=[group-number, *]  >>> K >>>It'll also let you specify usernames with wildcards, if that's any help.  >>> H >>>At least in the version I have, it won't let you do anything based on( >>>identifiers the user/process holds.   >>> K >>>So I think you're stuck.  Rather than going through AUTHORIZE and adding M >>>identifiers to each username you want to do something with, go through WCP M >>>and specify what you want done to each username.  If it's something that's N >>>going to change very often, write a script to do it.  If you really, reallyJ >>>want to, you can invent identifiers for these groups and assign them inP >>>AUTHORIZE, then have your script generate WCP commands based on users holdingR >>>the particular identifiers; that'll be easier for you when they change the work >>>hours of some group.  >>> 
 >>>-- Alan >>>  >>  >>Well, there are other options. >>H >>You can change the UIC of a user account, and change the UIC of files G >>and directories.  However, there is some questions to be asked first.  >>J >>Objects (files) on VMS have 4 access masks, (S)ystem, (O)wner, (G)roup, F >>and (W)orld.  Each mask can specify (R)ead, (W)rite, (E)xecute, and   >>(D)elete access for an object. >>K >>The Group mask is your concern here.  If you place all your users in the    >>same group, for example, UICs: >>	 >>[101,1] 	 >>[101,2] 	 >>[101,3]  >>.  >>.  >>.  >>[101,255]  >>H >>Then each can use the Group mask when attempting to access any object K >>owned by a member of group '101'.  If this is allowable, then fine, it's  D >>a method of sharing objects (files).  If this isn't desired, then H >>setting the Group mask to whatever you wish to be allowed, and having F >>none of the capabilities on each object is in many ways the same as H >>having each user in a unique group.  Note that files are not the only E >>things that a group can share.  You really need to understand your   >>particular environment.  >>K >>Should the above prove feasable, then you can pick a group number, as in  F >>the above example, '101', and assign a 'member' number to each user. >>C >>In the SYSUAF file, you will need to change the UIC of each user.  >>J >>On all disks you will have to change the UIC of the files owned by each ; >>user.  You can set the protection masks at the same time.  >>C >>Please note, if you've understood all of the above, then you can  J >>probably achiece your purposes.  If not, you can really foul things up. 
 >> Your call.  >  > K > He says he doesn't want to change the UICs they have, and he wants to add M > UICs so he can address them by group in Watcher.  I think your suggestions  M > violate the constraints set by the original poster; I think the constraints J > he's set give him an insoluble problem, and I've made him an alternative
 > suggestion.  > F > So I don't think your post should have started with 'there are otherE > options'; those options don't address the problem as he defined it.  > 	 > -- Alan   H I'm aware of that statement, however, changing the UICs is probably the E best path to his goal.  He could change his mind, or ignore the post.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:51:51 -0400 3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> $ Subject: Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?8 Message-ID: <5alf7159gs1hj72p184n8t7jaf3ci9vftl@4ax.com>  @ On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:09:08 -0400, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:   >Can FORTRAN 90 do this? > $ >        STRING HOLDDATA(100), PER04 >.. ( >        HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2)1 >        HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15)  >        GS03 = PER04(3:)  > 5 >It is from a MARKIII FORTRAN source program. I don't . >know if PADR is a function or something else.. >I assume the "STRING" should become a form of/ >"CHARACTER" type, but I'm unclear on the rest. 2 >I think it's storing an input record and wants to >address byte-ranges within.  M It's not entirely clear to me what is wanted, but let me give you some hints.   I Yes, STRING wants to be replaced with CHARACTER but you then also need to > specify a length for each element (or variable).  For example:  &    CHARACTER(200) HOLDDATA(100), PER04  N declares an array HOLDDATA that has 100 elements of 200 characters each, and a. scalar variable PER04 that has 200 characters.  	 The line:   #     HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2)   M Takes characters 1:2 of PER04 and moves them to characters 52:53 of element 1  of HOLDDATA   +    HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15)   N I have to assume that PADR is a function that returns a character string.  TheC syntax PER04(3:) means PER04 starting at character 3 until the end.   , Perhaps you can work out the rest from here.     Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Support 7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:31:44 +0000 (UTC). From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com>$ Subject: Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?, Message-ID: <d58qk0$2vs$1@reader1.panix.com>  @ On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:09:08 -0400, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > Can FORTRAN 90 do this?   % >         STRING HOLDDATA(100), PER04  > ..) >         HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2) 2 >         HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15) >         GS03 = PER04(3:)  6 > It is from a MARKIII FORTRAN source program. I don't/ > know if PADR is a function or something else. / > I assume the "STRING" should become a form of 0 > "CHARACTER" type, but I'm unclear on the rest.3 > I think it's storing an input record and wants to  > address byte-ranges within.   G PADR is probably a string function which returns the string PER04(3:),  F which is characters 3 to the end of the string, padded with (default) 9 pad characters (blanks? nulls?) to a 15-character length.   ; So says various pages returned by a google search for PADR.    --  7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:18:42 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?( Message-ID: <opsp8bdgsizgicya@hyrrokkin>  2 On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:51:51 -0400, Steve Lionel  ' <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> wrote:   B > On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:09:08 -0400, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >  >> Can FORTRAN 90 do this? >>% >>        STRING HOLDDATA(100), PER04  >> .. ) >>        HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2) 2 >>        HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15) >>        GS03 = PER04(3:) >>7 >> It is from a MARKIII FORTRAN source program. I don't 0 >> know if PADR is a function or something else.0 >> I assume the "STRING" should become a form of1 >> "CHARACTER" type, but I'm unclear on the rest. 4 >> I think it's storing an input record and wants to >> address byte-ranges within. > J > It's not entirely clear to me what is wanted, but let me give you some   > hints. > K > Yes, STRING wants to be replaced with CHARACTER but you then also need to @ > specify a length for each element (or variable).  For example: > ( >    CHARACTER(200) HOLDDATA(100), PER04 > L > declares an array HOLDDATA that has 100 elements of 200 characters each,   > and a 0 > scalar variable PER04 that has 200 characters. >  > The line:  > % >     HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2)  > G > Takes characters 1:2 of PER04 and moves them to characters 52:53 of    > element 1 
 > of HOLDDATA  > - >    HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15)  > E > I have to assume that PADR is a function that returns a character    > string.  TheE > syntax PER04(3:) means PER04 starting at character 3 until the end.  > . > Perhaps you can work out the rest from here.K PADR looks suspiciously like a SUBSTR, note the 15, which happens to be the  length on the left side  >  >  > Steve Lionel > Software Products Division > Intel Corporation  > Nashua, NH > : > User communities for Intel Software Development Products$ >   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ > Intel Fortran Support 9 >   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:02:38 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: cobol.vim for VIM2 Message-ID: <05050314023890_2860027B@antinode.org>  > Reply-To: "Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk>  O > I downloaded VIM6.3, but it seems impossible to get it to display COBOL-code  O > correctly. I've been googling all day, but I can't find anything that really   > works.5 > VIM places red lines all over my COBOL-code.  [...]   F    Knowing not much about VIM and even less about COBOL, I tried it onI the only .COB file under SYS$EXAMPLES, and I got comparably bad results.  B As it seems to do much better on .C files, I'd say you're right to suspect the COBOL syntax file.  (    Did you look at "http://www.vim.org"?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 13:46:19 -0500 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: DEC/MMJ connectors 3 Message-ID: <BA1T4SHETKQk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505021535130.8080@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:) > On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Dave Froble wrote:  > F >> Unless I'm mistaken, you need a flat 6-conductor cable with an MMJ E >> on each end.  The MMJs are reversed, ie; one end with the tab up,  F >> and the tab down at the other end.  This flips xmit/recv, gnd/gnd,  >> and DTR/DSR.  > G > You are half-right.  You need the tab up on both ends to do the flip  H > you describe.  The standard, garden-variety MMJ-MMJ cable has the tab  > up on both ends.  G I must have made hundreds of these cables. The rule I always use, which J seems to match the old DEC made cables, is to have the MMJ tab on the same side of the cable as the seam.  D BTW, does any one remember the old DEC part number for the MMJ crimpH connectors? Is there a better source for buying them than Black Box. I'm down to my last handful...  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"h& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfIL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         The problem with governments is that citizens need to keepD         them on a short leash; unfortunately the nature of the beastD         is such that governments can usually arrange it so that only"         they hold their own leash.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:56:52 -0400n' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: DEC/MMJ connectorsd0 Message-ID: <117fls6qp0rlj39@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote:in > In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505021535130.8080@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes: > ) >>On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Dave Froble wrote:o >> >>F >>>Unless I'm mistaken, you need a flat 6-conductor cable with an MMJ E >>>on each end.  The MMJs are reversed, ie; one end with the tab up,  F >>>and the tab down at the other end.  This flips xmit/recv, gnd/gnd,  >>>and DTR/DSR.k >>G >>You are half-right.  You need the tab up on both ends to do the flip yH >>you describe.  The standard, garden-variety MMJ-MMJ cable has the tab  >>up on both ends. >  > I > I must have made hundreds of these cables. The rule I always use, whichiL > seems to match the old DEC made cables, is to have the MMJ tab on the same  > side of the cable as the seam. > F > BTW, does any one remember the old DEC part number for the MMJ crimpJ > connectors? Is there a better source for buying them than Black Box. I'm > down to my last handful...  I I got mine some years back from Cabco.  They may have had to order them. -F   I think they were about .65 each.  Could be wrong.  Haven't checked 2 Black Box price, but they're normally rather high.   Cabco 724-864-3400   -- h4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roada Vanderbilt, PA  15486p   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 13:07:21 -0700 $ From: hduman@legacyglucosesensor.org" Subject: DECUS Fall Symposium 1968C Message-ID: <1115150841.350630.104580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>l  C I have found a reference to a topic presented by A.H. Kadish at thetE 1968 DECUS Fall Symposium. Could someone please point me in the right-D direction of how I might go about finding a copy of the proceedings? Thanks~<   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:11:46 -06004 From: "Dale E. Coy" <daleecoy@obfuscation.spinn.net>& Subject: Re: DECUS Fall Symposium 19680 Message-ID: <117g4q2mpjk3pb5@corp.supernews.com>  2 <hduman@legacyglucosesensor.org> wrote in message = news:1115150841.350630.104580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...oD >I have found a reference to a topic presented by A.H. Kadish at theG > 1968 DECUS Fall Symposium. Could someone please point me in the rightrF > direction of how I might go about finding a copy of the proceedings?	 > Thanks~e >   D You might try asking Encompass, the successor organization to DECUS 4 (www.encompassus.org).  They "should" have archives.  J Also, ask on the DECUServe system.  If you don't have an account, you can M get one (free) by telnetting to eisner.decus.org, logging in as REGISTRATION AK (no password), and signing up for an instant account.  The system uses DEC  L Notes as a conferencing tool, and the "1st Aide" or "Shop_Talk" conferences I would be appropriate places to ask - or just pick any conference in your V notebook, for that matter.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:49:10 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: DECUS Fall Symposium 1968+ Message-ID: <42782A16.4B5033B3@comcast.net>o  % hduman@legacyglucosesensor.org wrote:  > E > I have found a reference to a topic presented by A.H. Kadish at theAG > 1968 DECUS Fall Symposium. Could someone please point me in the righttF > direction of how I might go about finding a copy of the proceedings?	 > Thanks~t  G Well, I found some potentially relevant references by Googling for A.H.i% Kadish. Try it and see what comes up.i   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsT http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/E   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:15:21 -0400+ From: "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net>dB Subject: Eliminating files with extraneous characters in filenames' Message-ID: <JmVde.17$It1.2@lakeread02>h  L Have a situation where a Windows 2000 PC is on the same network with OpenVMS Alpha ver 7.3-2.  L Windows supports file names with spaces.  OpenVMS apparently doesn't.  FTPedI some files over and the Alpha replaced every space with "^_"  (carrot and  underline).o  J Just an underline would have been great.  However, the resulting file nameJ renders the file unusable.  Cannot rename, copy, delete.  Even using *.*;* wildcards does no good.o  ! How can I get rid of these files?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:39:11 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> F Subject: Re: Eliminating files with extraneous characters in filenames1 Message-ID: <W5WdnfESPpJeuuXfRVn-pw@adelphia.com>e   stinehelferw wrote:wN > Have a situation where a Windows 2000 PC is on the same network with OpenVMS > Alpha ver 7.3-2. > N > Windows supports file names with spaces.  OpenVMS apparently doesn't.  FTPedK > some files over and the Alpha replaced every space with "^_"  (carrot andi
 > underline).e  D That is how OpenVMS supports such characters on ODS-5 volumes, also $ known as Extended File System names.  L > Just an underline would have been great.  However, the resulting file nameL > renders the file unusable.  Cannot rename, copy, delete.  Even using *.*;* > wildcards does no good.a > # > How can I get rid of these files?m  H $Set process/parse_style=extended ! puts utilities in a mode where they ) can use the extended file specifications.0   -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:01:29 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>e6 Subject: Re: Finally, some good news (at least for me)0 Message-ID: <117fm4nap41m702@corp.supernews.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:s( > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message? > news:1115043434.423292.162270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...o > - >>what took them so long?  A bronze 1 year iso >>only $684 ...  >> > K > A bronze contract for us on a two-CPU DS-20 including support for LayeredhM > Products, OS,  and Documentation (automatically shipped every three months) + > was ~ C$8000. What  do you get for $684 ?I  E Just a guess.  Right to use new versions, and telephone support, VMS CE only.  Maybe only the first.  Usually when you get media updates and gG documentation the price is very hefty.  Paper documentation may be the n# biggest part of the price.  Ask HP.    -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 05 17:13:31 EDTe) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)t. Subject: Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neck! Message-ID: <rubrPdgICDXj@wvnvms>s  p In article <0sAde.3867$V01.2798@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@nospam.net> writes: > Main, Kerry wrote: >>>-----Original Message----- 6 >>>From: Jack Patteeuw [mailto:jjpatteeuw@nospam.net]  >>>tH >>>The biggest problem we have with our mixed VAX (3 - 7630)/Alpha (1 - I >>>GS140) cluster is backups.  Full backups can take over 14 hours using 6 >>>ABS/MDMS. > .2 > .a > .lJ >>>I need suggestions on how to measure the "capacity" of each CI as well @ >>>as the throughput of the HSJ's and the processors themselves. >>>i >>   >> r >> Jack, >> uI >> Fwiw, a similar environment took the approach of using a small DS25 tocJ >> act as a tape server (and occasional batch job server) with a dedicated >> tape drive. >> gK >> This might be outside your budget, but it kept the cpu / memory /adapter F >> backup loads off the other Alpha and VAX systems they had which was- >> dedicated to interactive and applic tasks.h >> uK >> It also made for some interesting justifications for subsequent upgradesnG >> as they could see that some of their jobs which ran for 10+ hours ony9 >> VAX's ran in about an hour on the new "tape server"...  >> a > D > First, I doubt we could afford another Alpha, no matter how small. > I > Second, based on testing using our 8 - 533 MHz processor GS140 (w/8 GB bH > memory), even when doing nothing else, I don't see how adding another H > Alpha would make a large difference.  (The GS140 never gets more than : > 25% busy, so it appears that the bottleneck is not CPU.) > G > It seems that we can not get the data from the disk to the tape in a rJ > "reasonable" time.  Adding more tapes drives does not seem to help much.  G Are you using 4K CI packets on the HSJ50 controllers?  If the CI is theeH bottle neck, then upgrading the HSJ40 controllers to HSJ50's in order toG get 4K packet support will increase CI bandwidth to the Alpha.  The VAXhD CIXCD controllers do not support 4K packets unless special microcodeD is installed on them (which is no longer readily available and whichC HP says shouldn't be used unless you really, really badly need it)..D HSJ50 controllers are frequently available on eBay for very little.   C Also check if all the HSJ controllers are set to use CI synchronous  arbitration.     George Cookm WVNETU   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:20:29 GMTn+ From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@nospam.net>s. Subject: Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neckB Message-ID: <NOSde.3223$pe3.2924@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>   George Cook wrote: > I > Are you using 4K CI packets on the HSJ50 controllers?  If the CI is theeJ > bottle neck, then upgrading the HSJ40 controllers to HSJ50's in order toI > get 4K packet support will increase CI bandwidth to the Alpha.  The VAX8F > CIXCD controllers do not support 4K packets unless special microcodeF > is installed on them (which is no longer readily available and whichE > HP says shouldn't be used unless you really, really badly need it).sF > HSJ50 controllers are frequently available on eBay for very little.  > E > Also check if all the HSJ controllers are set to use CI synchronouso > arbitration. >  > 
 > George Cook  > WVNET.  2 Good tips, and all should be set as you described.  9 VAXen should be retired by the end of this year (I hope).h  G I really want to get rid of the HSJ40s and get 2 pair of HSJ80s.  More hG than 50% of the disk drives are "blue" (but we still have some RZ28-VA aH in use).  I just don't know how to convince the management to spend the  $$$ !    Jack   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:16:58 GMTb; From: "Duncan Macdonald" <duncanmacdonald@blueyonder.co.uk>u. Subject: Re: finding the (biggest) bottle neck= Message-ID: <KDTde.24686$G8.10102@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,  H If you have a spare SCSI interface (or better still 2) available on the K Alpha then you might get a significent speed up by moving some of the JBOD sI disks to the SCSI interface (and if there is a second SCSI interface use R% this for some of the TZ tape drives).   L The CI is (by modern standards) a not very fast interface and all the disks M share its bandwidth (if my memory is correct it is about 70MB/sec). Also the u> HSJ40 is again by modern standards a not very fast controller.  K Using a SCSI interface on the Alpha should increase the data transfer rate sK from the disks, (it may well increase its CPU loading on the Alpha but you g' said that the system is not CPU bound).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 01:48:20 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e! Subject: FTP only access to VMS ?yB Message-ID: <1115185681.fae0566d92c560e6c4e0099a5fd794b2@teranews>  2 TCPIP Services 5.3, VAX VMS 7.2 (with 7.3 coming).  8 If i wish to provide read-only FTP access to users (withE username/password controls), without TELNET or other types of access, ( what strategies should I be looking at ?  E If I make the user's SYS$LOGIN: read only for the user, would that dopG the trick ? (I take it FTP would still work even if it can't create its 
 log file ?  G Can the login.com invoke the ftp executable right away, and logout whent
 that exits ? S  @ When TCPIP's FTP server authorizes a session for a user/passwordA combination, it creates a process that runs under that username'ssG context and executes the login.com followed by the tcpip$ftp_server.comlI procedure. Does the login.com get executed implicitely by the $CREPROC ?    H Could the login.com execute the tcpip$ftp_server.com itself, followed byG a logout ? Not only would this allow me to check for the status of filesG transfers after the FTP executable exits, but it would also make telnetfG or other sessions rather impossible. I am concerned about the impact ofoD a process that never gets to execute the procedure it was created toD execute because login.com performed a logout before control could be passed to that procedure.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:27:57 -0400- From: "Stephen Dame" <stephendame@rogers.com>fY Subject: Re: Good morning or good evening depending upon your location. I want to ask you'/ Message-ID: <Tu6dnQya5ICZlOXfRVn-1A@rogers.com>e  , "rst" <senninha@ziplip.com> wrote in message= news:1115157953.834797.185240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...w > Serious question:Y >cH > Are Fundamentalist Christians America's version of a fascist Nazi-like( > party?  I mean, without the bloodshed. >rE > You now control the government, the media is afraid of you and most E > Americans are now all self-righteous, self-absorbed, xenophobic and4 > hypocritical.n >p  = But have you tried there baked Apple Stroodle? Manifique! er,  ...magnificent.f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:03:06 -0400- From: "Stephen Dame" <stephendame@rogers.com>:Y Subject: Re: Good morning or good evening depending upon your location. I want to ask youu/ Message-ID: <fcmdnUnuLK8JjOXfRVn-3Q@rogers.com>n  8 "Stephen Dame" <stephendame@rogers.com> wrote in message) news:Tu6dnQya5ICZlOXfRVn-1A@rogers.com...c >,. > "rst" <senninha@ziplip.com> wrote in message? > news:1115157953.834797.185240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...7 > > Serious question:0 > >.J > > Are Fundamentalist Christians America's version of a fascist Nazi-like* > > party?  I mean, without the bloodshed. > >rG > > You now control the government, the media is afraid of you and mostsG > > Americans are now all self-righteous, self-absorbed, xenophobic andc > > hypocritical.. > >  >>? > But have you tried there baked Apple Stroodle? Manifique! er,o > ...magnificent.e >aJ  That should read "their" of course. Please don't send Trent Lott after me   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:49:42 -0500e& From: Thomas Wirt <twnews@kittles.com>8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?* Message-ID: <4277D5D6.6030402@kittles.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  ; > if you read the links in this article, you have an ex decr< > guy who holds thirty patents and designed both the vax and@ > alpha being shoveled around at intel and the HP team basically> > calling the tukwila design garbage ... intel should let this? > guy and his team continue on EV8 and pit the results againset ? > the HP teams junk, and winner takes all ... maybe the tukwilayB > design isn't the problem, maybe its the underlying architecture! >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22950r > C Is the implication here that Xeon and Itainium are merging or that mI Itainium resources have been redirected at Xeon?  I must be getting old, c because it is not clear to me.   -- > Thomas Wirta Systems Managerf Kittle's Home Furnishings  Indianapolis, IN   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:29:48 -0400a' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>o8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?0 Message-ID: <117fnpvoabo29f1@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:; > if you read the links in this article, you have an ex dect< > guy who holds thirty patents and designed both the vax and@ > alpha being shoveled around at intel and the HP team basically> > calling the tukwila design garbage ... intel should let this? > guy and his team continue on EV8 and pit the results againsetc? > the HP teams junk, and winner takes all ... maybe the tukwilaaB > design isn't the problem, maybe its the underlying architecture! >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22950o >   F Well, first, yes, it's the damn dumb architecture.  EPIC is just dumb.  C However, defining 'winner' is a bit tougher.  Supporting targetted bE environments would be high on the list of qualifiers to some people. eG HP-UX does run on itanic.  VMS runs on itanic.  A bunch of other stuff iI runs on itanic.  As has always been the problem, just what runs on Alpha?   E VMS and DEC Unix.  For some this is all thats required.  For others, f4 it's meaningless.  You don't get to pick the judges.  I Now, a hybred, an Alpha that uses the itanic instruction set, that might  C be a winner.  Note that I have no idea how hard it is to change to s= another instruction set.  Might be impossible.  Might be all e4 firmware/microcode/whatever.  Details, details, ....   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:26:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>y8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?0 Message-ID: <117g5m6hjve5505@corp.supernews.com>   Thomas Wirt wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > < >> if you read the links in this article, you have an ex dec= >> guy who holds thirty patents and designed both the vax andcA >> alpha being shoveled around at intel and the HP team basicallyd? >> calling the tukwila design garbage ... intel should let this.@ >> guy and his team continue on EV8 and pit the results againset@ >> the HP teams junk, and winner takes all ... maybe the tukwilaC >> design isn't the problem, maybe its the underlying architecture!s >> >>, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22950 >>E > Is the implication here that Xeon and Itainium are merging or that mK > Itainium resources have been redirected at Xeon?  I must be getting old, t  > because it is not clear to me. >   F The way I read it is that Intel is putting it's 'big guns' to work on F Xeon.  Hey, isn't that what someone predicted when discussing Intel's ; response to Hammer should Hammer attack the IA-32 cash cow?s   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadu Vanderbilt, PA  15486g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:11:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?B Message-ID: <1115169103.6020ca8555f6ebdd1806935bec63314d@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:0 > HP-UX does run on itanic.  VMS runs on itanic.  F For the systems that run on IA64, only VMS HP-UX and NSK are currentlyD targetted to exist only on that chip. All other OSs that run on IA64@ have another primary platform(s) with their port to IA64 totally> non-strategic and insignificant in the grand scheme of things.  E And because IA64 doesn't have long term credibility, the day HP stops-D Alpha sales means that customers will be turned off by VMS available3 only on IA64 with even less software than on Alpha.e  , IA64 is a hindrance to VMS, not its saviour.  G VMS suffered because Compaq announced the START of the port at the same:% time as the death sentence for Alpha.p  H HP needs to start and announce the port to the 8086  NOW, so that by theH time some official announcement of IA64 no longer getting developped (orG "merged into the 8086") is made, HP will have VMS ready or almost ready> on the 8086.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 00:50:11 -0400>' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>i8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?0 Message-ID: <117gl43ehb1pg24@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:> > Dave Froble wrote: > 0 >>HP-UX does run on itanic.  VMS runs on itanic. >  > H > For the systems that run on IA64, only VMS HP-UX and NSK are currentlyF > targetted to exist only on that chip. All other OSs that run on IA64B > have another primary platform(s) with their port to IA64 totally@ > non-strategic and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. > G > And because IA64 doesn't have long term credibility, the day HP stopsnF > Alpha sales means that customers will be turned off by VMS available5 > only on IA64 with even less software than on Alpha.i > . > IA64 is a hindrance to VMS, not its saviour. > I > VMS suffered because Compaq announced the START of the port at the same;' > time as the death sentence for Alpha.> > J > HP needs to start and announce the port to the 8086  NOW, so that by theJ > time some official announcement of IA64 no longer getting developped (orI > "merged into the 8086") is made, HP will have VMS ready or almost readyl > on the 8086.  G If Carly was still there, I'd bet that there would be no chance of any  2 port.  She burns bridges, and probably can't swim.  ? I have no opinion on the new guy.  So I can't really change my 'I expectations at this time.  Right now I see no itanic also means no VMS. a   Doesn't mean I like it.f  G If you have a decent attention span, you'll remember that I've said in hI the past that HP should continue to sell Alpha until people won't buy it   anymore.  F Your post is in reply to my reply to bob about Intel building an EV8. I Getting back to that, I just don't see Intel even thinking about such as e= option, and listed some of the reasons, but I'm sure not all.    -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486>   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 13:09:43 -0700 " From: s.cecchini@finitesystems.com- Subject: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!oC Message-ID: <1115150983.488044.322930@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>a  D We have an HP SuperDome server that we are trying to find a new home for.  D This system has been under HP maintenance support contract and is in( great cosmetic and mechanical condition.  G A complete system breakdown is available however the highlights are fors the system are as follows:   -Qty. 24 x 550mhz cpu's1 -24gb memory -2 cabinet configuration -HP-UX 11.0 installed $ -much, much, much more on the system    . This is a fully configured and working system!    D We're pricing it aggresively at $55K.  This is a powerful system for
 the price!    / Also includes valid licenses on the system for:e    ; HP-UX OE Media for Servers, HP-UX OE LTU 1 CPU with system,nC MirrorDisk/UX License for Servers, HP OV GP Pak 2000 HP9000 ServerseG Media, MC/ServiceGuard SW & LTU, HP-UX 11.x, OnLine IFS 3.3 License foro3 HP 9000 Servers, EMS HA Monitors LTU for HP-UX 11.xe  D If interested or if you have any questions please do not hesitate to call or email us.t     Finite Systems Ltd 952-985-4100 X 13  PHONE s.cecchini@finitesystems.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:46:59 -0500o2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!y+ Message-ID: <42782993.D56443D6@comcast.net>a  # s.cecchini@finitesystems.com wrote:t > F > We have an HP SuperDome server that we are trying to find a new home > for. > F > This system has been under HP maintenance support contract and is in* > great cosmetic and mechanical condition. > I > A complete system breakdown is available however the highlights are fore > the system are as follows: >  > -Qty. 24 x 550mhz cpu's  > -24gb memory > -2 cabinet configuration > -HP-UX 11.0 installed & > -much, much, much more on the system > 0 > This is a fully configured and working system! > F > We're pricing it aggresively at $55K.  This is a powerful system for > the price! [snip]    Does it run VMS? ;-)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:g" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/,   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 02:26:36 GMTa* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>1 Subject: Re: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!j2 Message-ID: <wpWde.4890$Ry7.3211@news.cpqcorp.net>   Sounds like a PA-RISC system..    ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messaget% news:42782993.D56443D6@comcast.net... % > s.cecchini@finitesystems.com wrote:  > > H > > We have an HP SuperDome server that we are trying to find a new home > > for. > > H > > This system has been under HP maintenance support contract and is in, > > great cosmetic and mechanical condition. > >gK > > A complete system breakdown is available however the highlights are fort > > the system are as follows: > >i > > -Qty. 24 x 550mhz cpu'sn > > -24gb memory > > -2 cabinet configuration > > -HP-UX 11.0 installedh( > > -much, much, much more on the system > > 2 > > This is a fully configured and working system! > > H > > We're pricing it aggresively at $55K.  This is a powerful system for > > the price! [snip]R >0 > Does it run VMS? ;-) >e > -- a > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systemso > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:.$ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ >=* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/3 > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:45:06 -0700t0 From: Greg Cagle <gregc@removethisgregcagle.com>1 Subject: Re: HP SuperDome Looking For A New Home!i0 Message-ID: <117gha2eqjqrd84@corp.supernews.com>  < Right - 550mhz is the clue, along with HP-UX 11.0 (not 11i).   - Greg   FredK wrote: > Sounds like a PA-RISC system.p   -- l
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:50:41 -0400r2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net>! Subject: Re: More VAX help neededs0 Message-ID: <RK-dne201sWBeerfRVn-sA@comcast.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:C > OK.  When I asked here a few days ago I got the idea that I could B > connect my storageworks cabinet to a sikngle 6640 without a starB > coupler.  I have had no luck doing it with any combination of CIE > cable connections.  I asked the local VMS guru and he said it won'tgF > work without a star coupler.  Sooooo......  Can anyone confirm this?G > If that is the case, I have to increase the urgency of my begging forlC > one.  I should have known the second I abandoned my pack-rat ways 5 > and let something go I would suddenly need it.  :-(s > C > On a happier note, I have figured out the HSJ and have created my - > first stripeset and made it available.  :-)t >  > bill >   D You need a star coupler.  Even on a point-to-point hook-up, you needF a star coupler to act as a signal attenuator (and DC isolator), or the* transmitters will overwhelm the receivers.  D Once upon a time, there was a design for a simple attenuator for P2P? links, but I don't recall if it was ever released as a product.i -- e Cheers, Bobs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:10:01 -0400+ From: "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net> " Subject: OpenVMS using RAID drives( Message-ID: <JhVde.16$It1.10@lakeread02>   We have an OpenVMS network.>H We are purchasing an archival system (re: several RAID drives with smartI controller).  The RAID drives would appear as a single 2 Terra Byte disk. K Can OpenVMS recognize a "disk" of that size or would we just have to settle'$ for a SCSI bay full of 400GB drives?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:43:15 -0400C- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t& Subject: Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives1 Message-ID: <8d6dnaJXQtUrteXfRVn-hg@adelphia.com>n   stinehelferw wrote:  > We have an OpenVMS network. J > We are purchasing an archival system (re: several RAID drives with smartK > controller).  The RAID drives would appear as a single 2 Terra Byte disk..M > Can OpenVMS recognize a "disk" of that size or would we just have to settle & > for a SCSI bay full of 400GB drives?  F There are many varieties of SCSI, neither of the two S characters are I for "Standard".  OpenVMS only supports those SCSI devices that have been   tested by HP for use with it.   K The maximum size of a RAID volume that OpenVMS can access is currently 1TB.   D Most raid controllers allow some flexibility in their configuration.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:16:05 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives+ Message-ID: <42783065.4A71B1AE@comcast.net>e   stinehelferw wrote:  >  > We have an OpenVMS network.P  G OpenVMS is an operating system, not a "network". Networking software issB installed separately. The DECnet suite includes LAT, MOP and otherG goodies as well as DECnet. There are three TCP/IP stacks available: onew# from HP, two from Process Software.-  J > We are purchasing an archival system (re: several RAID drives with smartK > controller).  The RAID drives would appear as a single 2 Terra Byte disk.0  G You don't *REALLY* want to do that, do you? (...or do you mean a singlea Earth byte? ;-)l  M > Can OpenVMS recognize a "disk" of that size or would we just have to settle-& > for a SCSI bay full of 400GB drives?  B Well, you'd be better off with an EVA array if that's where you'reE headed. The virtualization features will allow you to spread the I/OsuG out over multiple spindles which will aid performance, even in what youS9 seem to be intending. Remember: in disk storage, the moremE spindles/actuators (and cache!) you have, the better for performance.O  B As John mentioned, presenting a volume of that size will pose some problems for VMS.-  F First off, unless OpenVMS engineering has tested your storage vendor'sH hardware and certified it, YOYO (You're On Your Own). If it works, fine.B If it doesn't, good luck getting support from your storage vendor.  F Also as John mentioned, VMS does not allow for a single volume of that@ size. If your proposed SCSI controller allows it, try presentingH multiple smaller RAIDsets (no more than 1TB in size). You'll be glad you> did in the end. You can MOUNT multiple storage(RAID)-sets as aA volume-set in VMS and VMS will manage space allocation across the  individual member volumes.  G Please contact your local OpenVMS Ambassador for better information. Ife@ you don't know who that is, Google this group for posts from SueE Skonetski. She's the manager of the Ambassadors. She can probably puto  you in touch with someone local.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:p" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 14:42:17 -0700r$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renam8C Message-ID: <1115156537.960271.288830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com><   Will wrote:&G > I need to rename a file on a VMS platform after transferring the datan( > to an AS/400. The command below fails. >r4 > renam 'ANDYL354000.DAT;672' 'ANDYL354000.andy;672' >n? > Being new to the VMS platform, I've checked the FAQ but can'tu	 determineyE > why the rename should fail. The FAQ says mixed case is allowed. Anya > ideas? >t
 > Many thanks  >h > Will    E How does it fail? Does it fail to rename it at all? Does it just fail5G to change the case? What is the exact error message? (Do NOT paraphraseD< the error message.) These would be very useful clues for us.  F Mixed case is allowed only on ODS-5 disks. IS the disk on the VMS side ODS-5?  E You may well need ' or " quotes to preserve case, but that depends on @ your FTP program. OTOH, I am not familiar with the subtleties ofF specifying case for files on ODS-5 volumes. Is there any pressing need! for the .andy to be in lowercase?e   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC)! From: "rst" <senninha@ziplip.com>  Subject: spam cancelled $ Message-ID: <d58ur5$r34$1@online.de>   illegal message cancelled,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:21:17 -0500 2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Syntax Highlighting6 Message-ID: <Xns964B920777E7Dsee2go4me@216.196.97.131>  5 "Meg Garrison" <meg.garrison@hp.com> enlightened us    with:   3 > Actually, we're working on Pascal and Basic righto > now...  
 Great :-).   Thanks for the info.   -Andy-   -- .4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2005 20:33:16 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.comcP Subject: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License plateC Message-ID: <1115177596.793136.196330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>l   Dear Newsgroup  A Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS Licensed plate.  E Please visit:  www.openvms.org on the left nav bar the poll is there.-  B The license plate will have a large OpenVMS in the middle with the* slogan underneath.  Please vote only once.  C This poll will only be up on the web site until next Friday May 13.u  
 Warm Regards,e Sued   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 12:45:05 -0700y! From: Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Weekly boot camp update - Week of May 2nd& Message-ID: <4277D4C1.70601@triumf.ca>   JF Mezei wrote:-   > Dear Sue,  > 9 > I take strong issue with the subject of this thread :-)l > G > Since VMS is very rarely booted, your subject make the imprivation of-8 > weekly boots for VMS and that is extremely misleading. >  > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)      JF -  9    Of course this humour was 'allowed' in the first placeo8    by people (especially for our friends from the South)8    who seem not to know that compound adjectives need to:    be properly hyphenated.  What we have here is one of my:    pet peeves about American English - oversimplification.;    Einstein is often quoted as saying "Everything should be :    made as simple as possible - but not simpler."  Indeed,:    oversimplification, which is the mis-application of the1    K.I.S.S. principle, always leads to confusion.   6    The correct term would have been 'Weekly boot-camp'8    whereas people here are allowing themselves (granted,7    it is for entertainment purposes) the interpretation"9    'Weekly-boot camp'.  Clear as a bell.  I see this kindo:    of mistake/omission made very often, even in published,#    professionally written material.-  6    The rule is this:  when confusion is possible as to9    which words belong together in a string of adjectives,D7    the words which belong together must be joined by anc9    appropriate number of hyphens.  Simple.  Otherwise we, <    as authors, create confusion in the minds of our readers.  9    Here is a hilarious example.  The people of Vancouver,o8    Canada, are, by and large, rather anti-nuke; and many;    really didn't appreciate nuclear-armed warships visitingn9    the port.  I remember when our honourable City Fathersi=    here in Vancouver put up the signs at the city boundaries:e9    "VANCOUVER IS A NUCLEAR FREE ZONE".  Now in some areasO:    of the world we have "free zones" where the usual rules:    of law/commerce/taxation/etc. are NOT applied.  I think<    Hong Kong is/was/has one of them (I've never been there).<    I hate to think what the Vancouver City Fathers said when>    they finally found out what their signs really implied! :-)9    (A hyphen between 'nuclear' and 'free' was required to"=    make the signs say what was intended.  Instead, the signs,n=    as they were posted, allowed the opposite interpretation.)e;    As far as I know, the signs are all gone now.  I haven'ts    seen one in years.S  !    So remember those hyphens! :-)s      All the best,  '    .. fred bach .. Opinions are my own.o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.247 ************************