1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 04 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 248       Contents: Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?  Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this? 4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? Re: cobol.vim for VIM = Re: Eliminating files with extraneous characters in filenames  Re: FTP only access to VMS ? Re: FTP only access to VMS ? Re: FTP only access to VMS ?/ Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / RE: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? / Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? 8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... Missing disk from vax spl  Motif documentation available  Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives  Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives  Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives $ Parameters of system service $SETENV PowerTerm telnet connections  Re: PowerTerm telnet connections  Re: PowerTerm telnet connectionsB Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?)B Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?)" Re: Renaming files using ftp renam" Re: Renaming files using ftp renamP Re: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License         pl+ Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 10:12:47 -0700 $ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>  Subject: Re: Appletalk on AlphasB Message-ID: <1115226767.859747.95360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  ? And let's do some simple math.  We have 337 printers that speak D Appletalk well but do a lousy job of TCP/IP - most have no TCP/IP atD all or a unidirectional printing stack that DCPS doesn't support (itF may do in the current release but certainly not the earlier releases).G  Even if I could get TCP/IP printing working, the users would never get > notifications of "paper out", "printer jam", "toner low", etc.  D Let's assume that each of these printers costs $1K to replace with aE decent one that supports bi-directional TCP/IP printing to give users E the same functionality that they've had for the last 20 years.  We're ? up to $337,000 in capital costs.  I don't even want to hear the F reaction I'll get to that.  By killing the Appletalk stack, we've lostF all VMS upgrade abilities.  We're stuck on VMS 7.3-2 forever until theF cluster dies.  I've been a VMS admin since the blue wall (V2.4 over 20F years ago) but unfortunately this is the end of the line for VMS here.E My current multi-site cluster has been up since 1999.  VMS, it's been D nice knowing you - it's why I don't have grey hair yet and can still sleep soundly at night.   	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:57:54 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com$ Subject: Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?Q Message-ID: <OF6DE488CD.5571D18F-ON85256FF7.004C9C80-85256FF7.004C8DCA@metso.com>   I Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> wrote on 05/03/2005 05:31:44 PM:   B > On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:09:08 -0400, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > Can FORTRAN 90 do this?  > ' > >         STRING HOLDDATA(100), PER04  > > ..+ > >         HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2) 4 > >         HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15) > >         GS03 = PER04(3:) > 8 > > It is from a MARKIII FORTRAN source program. I don't1 > > know if PADR is a function or something else. 1 > > I assume the "STRING" should become a form of 2 > > "CHARACTER" type, but I'm unclear on the rest.5 > > I think it's storing an input record and wants to  > > address byte-ranges within.  > H > PADR is probably a string function which returns the string PER04(3:),G > which is characters 3 to the end of the string, padded with (default) ; > pad characters (blanks? nulls?) to a 15-character length.   @ I concur.  Is there an equivalent function that will do this and pad with (trailing) spaces?    > = > So says various pages returned by a google search for PADR.  >  > --9 > Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:42:29 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>$ Subject: Re: Can FORTRAN 90 do this?+ Message-ID: <d5au1m$856$1@news01.intel.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >  >  >  >  > K > Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> wrote on 05/03/2005 05:31:44 PM:  >  > B >>On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:09:08 -0400, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >> >>>Can FORTRAN 90 do this? >>& >>>        STRING HOLDDATA(100), PER04 >>>.. * >>>        HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2)3 >>>        HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PADR(PER04(3:), 15)  >>>        GS03 = PER04(3:)  >>7 >>>It is from a MARKIII FORTRAN source program. I don't 0 >>>know if PADR is a function or something else.0 >>>I assume the "STRING" should become a form of1 >>>"CHARACTER" type, but I'm unclear on the rest. 4 >>>I think it's storing an input record and wants to >>>address byte-ranges within. >>H >>PADR is probably a string function which returns the string PER04(3:),G >>which is characters 3 to the end of the string, padded with (default) ; >>pad characters (blanks? nulls?) to a 15-character length.  >  > B > I concur.  Is there an equivalent function that will do this and > pad with (trailing) spaces?   G      That would be entirely unnecessary.  Fortran _always_ blank-fills, F or truncates, as required to the number of characters on the left sideB of the assignment statement.  This has been true since Fortran 77.  B      Given appropriate declarations of HOLDDATA and PER04 as, say,C length 256 (an arbitrary example) CHARACTER variables, all you need  is:   + 	CHARACTER(LEN=256) :: HOLDDATA(100), PER04           ...(          HOLDDATA(1)(52:53) = PER04(1:2) 	HOLDDATA(1)(55:69) = PER04(3:)    and you're done.   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:12:29 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? - Message-ID: <87zmvc2vj6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes:   A > I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) and B > Pathworks (PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting theC > answers I need.  I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me  > out.  - Have you considered Kerberos, aka DCE et al?     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:26:58 -0400$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? , Message-ID: <d5aij4$6vb$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  	 Hi Chris,   > "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message . news:d59vim$mse$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...  E > We've got advanced server 7.3, but don't use it (too few licences). G > We're on Alpha VMS 7.3-1. What needs setting up, apart from EXTAUTH ? ! > Or is it not posible on 7.3-1 ? I > I tried setting EXTAUTH on my account, and sure enough my vms password  J > stopped working - but my domain logon password for my identically named M > account didn't work either - or is username case sensitive ? (ie MYACCOUNT  6 > on VMS is different to the domain logon myaccount ?) >   = Usernames are not case sensitive, just the (domain) password.   > To identify the precise version of Advanced Server, always do:  # $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands 
 $ pwver [all]   L and check the Image Version column.  Then you're left to decipher it.  It's F important because there are two very different "Advanced Server v7.3" 	 versions:    Advanced Server v7.3 Advanced Server v7.3A   $ The image ident for v7.3 is V7.3-000+                       v7.3 eco1 is V7.3-010 +                       v7.3 eco2 is V7.3-020   & The image ident for v7.3A is V7.3-100A ...  ... 2 ...                              eco4 is V7.3-140A  > v7.3 (sans the A) is, to put it politely, not recommended ;o).  M v7.3A is the only version (of the 2 above) receiving engineering support and  K is regularly updated to ensure its continued viability in a Windows domain.   $ v7.3A ECO4 was released in DEC 2004.  I So, first things first - if you're not at v7.3A ECO4, go to the itrc ftp  E server (ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/) to get the kit and install it at the  J earliest opportunity.  Note, you won't see OpenVMS Alpha v7.3-1 listed in J the supported versions because at the time of ECO4's release, OVMS v7.3-1 & was no longer supported. But it works.  G In any case, you can troubleshoot any external authentication issue by   enabling debug mode:  / $ define/system/exec sys$single_signon 80000001  $ reply/enable=security   J Any attempt to use external authentication (by any user) will now produce > some opcom messages that can be useful in finding the problem.  > Don't forget to reset sys$single_signon to 1 when you're done.  E Of course, it's always good to verify the password is valid by doing   something like   $ ADMIN LOGON <domain-username> 	 Password:   K to ensure some other problem isn't involved.  Note that a successful ADMIN  M LOGON doesn't necessarily mean you won't have a problem with extauth because  M $ ADMIN LOGON uses old, old lanman APIs to logon while extauth involves ntlm   authentication calls.   @ Make a habit of checking the Advanced Server's System event log:  , $ ADMIN SHOW EVENTS/FULL/SINCE[=<date:time>]   HTH,   Paul     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:58:42 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 1 Message-ID: <964C8802Bwspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   A prep@prep.synonet.com wrote in <87zmvc2vj6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>:   4 >wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes: > B >> I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) andC >> Pathworks (PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting the D >> answers I need.  I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me >> out.  > . >Have you considered Kerberos, aka DCE et al?  >   J I would be most willing to consider anything!  Does Kerberos/DCE allow me 5 to store username, password, and UIC in its database?    Thanks,    ws   --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ) - My other computer is YOUR Windows box -    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 10:21:03 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? B Message-ID: <1115227263.672159.26330@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  ' why all this fuss?  If the user can log & into one node, why not just use decnet% and allow him proxy access to all the $ other boxes w/o passwords ... single( authentication on the first node w/proxy  access on all others ... simple?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:07:51 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: cobol.vim for VIM3 Message-ID: <V5e9SfEXd1so@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <05050314023890_2860027B@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:  > H >    Knowing not much about VIM and even less about COBOL, I tried it onK > the only .COB file under SYS$EXAMPLES, and I got comparably bad results.  D > As it seems to do much better on .C files, I'd say you're right to  > suspect the COBOL syntax file. > * >    Did you look at "http://www.vim.org"?  5    Gee, aren't there any TECO macros to do this?  8-)    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:23:58 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) F Subject: Re: Eliminating files with extraneous characters in filenames3 Message-ID: <Mqx3lRRIwRYk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <JmVde.17$It1.2@lakeread02>, "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net> writes: N > Have a situation where a Windows 2000 PC is on the same network with OpenVMS > Alpha ver 7.3-2. > N > Windows supports file names with spaces.  OpenVMS apparently doesn't.  FTPedK > some files over and the Alpha replaced every space with "^_"  (carrot and 
 > underline).  >   G    ^ is the ODS-5 escape character for dealing with characters that are @    not allowed in file names.  Since spaces are not allowed, the    standard substitution is ^_.   C    One way to deal with these is to rename them.  Another way is to F    ignore the substitution since any tool capable of specifying a nameE    with a space in it will encounter the same translation and get the D    same file.  That is, ^_ is what is displayed when you look at theG    name, but you can still ask for the name with the space in it during D    an fopen() or such (which is similar to what the FTP server did).  =    See the "Guide to Extended File Names" in the VMS doc set.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 05:59:53 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: FTP only access to VMS ? $ Message-ID: <d59ocp$n3m$1@online.de>  E In article <1115185681.fae0566d92c560e6c4e0099a5fd794b2@teranews>, JF - Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    : > If i wish to provide read-only FTP access to users (withG > username/password controls), without TELNET or other types of access, * > what strategies should I be looking at ?  C F$MODE().  TELNET is INTERACTIVE.  Using F$MODE() in the LOGIN.COM  @ coupled with access restrictions in the UAF should do the trick.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 06:29:40 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: Re: FTP only access to VMS ? ( Message-ID: <opsp86fqqczgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Wed, 4 May 2005 05:59:53 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES  1 to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:   G > In article <1115185681.fae0566d92c560e6c4e0099a5fd794b2@teranews>, JF . > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > ; >> If i wish to provide read-only FTP access to users (with H >> username/password controls), without TELNET or other types of access,+ >> what strategies should I be looking at ?  > D > F$MODE().  TELNET is INTERACTIVE.  Using F$MODE() in the LOGIN.COMB > coupled with access restrictions in the UAF should do the trick. >   J Why not restrict it throught the permissions.  Works fine with anonymous   ftp.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:31:39 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: FTP only access to VMS ? 3 Message-ID: <BHOS4KxEBcpG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1115185681.fae0566d92c560e6c4e0099a5fd794b2@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:4 > TCPIP Services 5.3, VAX VMS 7.2 (with 7.3 coming). > : > If i wish to provide read-only FTP access to users (withG > username/password controls), without TELNET or other types of access, * > what strategies should I be looking at ?  H    You should look at UAF flags for what kind of access the account has,H    TELNET should count as interactive and FTP as network, but check that*    TCPIP Services really does it that way.  G > If I make the user's SYS$LOGIN: read only for the user, would that do I > the trick ? (I take it FTP would still work even if it can't create its  > log file ?  H    Yep.  I usually make such accounts strictly read only to the UIC thatB    belongs to the account (all files owned by a UIC in a differentG    group, file protections and ACLs set accordingly).  In addition make G    the account CAPTIVE or RESTRICTED and have the login.com do a logout C    if the access mode (from f$mode()) is wrong.  TCPIP Services may D    have a way to put the FTP log somewhere else, so you can scan it.     I > Can the login.com invoke the ftp executable right away, and logout when  > that exits ?    2    No, let the TCPIP server invoke the FTP client.  E    TCPIP Services should support ANONYMOUS FTP which is usually setup F    just the way you're asking.  So look at it's doc set for how to set    that up.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 02:14:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?B Message-ID: <1115187254.0354a7facc058a8328059a61fb4e3b9b@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:   G > Your post is in reply to my reply to bob about Intel building an EV8. J > Getting back to that, I just don't see Intel even thinking about such as? > option, and listed some of the reasons, but I'm sure not all.   C The same reasons that will force Intel to abandon IA64 also make it @ silly for Intel to resurect Alpha. With the 8086 soon scaling toH enterprise mainframes, there is no reason for Intel to continue to spendG money to develop another architecture that doesn't do anything the 8086  won't be able to do.  C Carly/Curly's arguments about moving to commodity industry standard H platform had value. Problem is that they didn't move to that, they movedH to a proprietary low volume expensive platform with limited lifetime and unimpressive performance.   E Alpha had a place as a competitor to Intel, just like Sparc Power and G PaRisc do.  But it has no place inside of Intel.  Intel ate the remains E of Alpha. They are being digested. What comes out the other end isn't F usable to create a new Alpha. It is fertilizer to help grow the 8086.     G It is no wonder that Intel spread so much FUD about AMD. Opteron ruined E Intel's plans to limit the 8086 to give IA64 some room to exist. With G the 8086 now set to take the whole range of machines, there is to be no 8 niche left for IA64, which means Intel has to drop IA64.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:41:53 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 8 Subject: RE: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ECFF5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20  > Sent: May 4, 2005 2:14 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : > Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium? >=20 > Dave Froble wrote: > =20 ; > > Your post is in reply to my reply to bob about Intel=20  > building an EV8.A > > Getting back to that, I just don't see Intel even thinking=20  > about such as A > > option, and listed some of the reasons, but I'm sure not all.  >=20E > The same reasons that will force Intel to abandon IA64 also make it B > silly for Intel to resurect Alpha. With the 8086 soon scaling to; > enterprise mainframes, there is no reason for Intel to=20  > continue to spend : > money to develop another architecture that doesn't do=20 > anything the 8086  > won't be able to do. >=20    8 JF - wow, the x86 folks really have bitten you big time.  E That same argument has been around since the x86 was first born (what E was it - 15, 20 years ago?) i.e. "this newest x86 is so cool there is G nothing it can't do, so everyone else should just move to it and forget  everything else."    :-)    [snip..]  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:06:25 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?3 Message-ID: <atMa5de0B1C0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1115169103.6020ca8555f6ebdd1806935bec63314d@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Dave Froble wrote:1 >> HP-UX does run on itanic.  VMS runs on itanic.  > H > For the systems that run on IA64, only VMS HP-UX and NSK are currentlyF > targetted to exist only on that chip. All other OSs that run on IA64B > have another primary platform(s) with their port to IA64 totally@ > non-strategic and insignificant in the grand scheme of things.  E    What platform do you think HP-UX is targeted for?  I suspect there E    will be many more HP-PARC based HP-UX systems in use for HP-UX and C    Alpha systems in use for VMS for quite some time; but I think HP G    has made it clear from both statements and actions that the move of  3    HP-UX onto IA64 is as a replacement for HP-PARC.   F    And since HP-UX has always run on big-endian platforms or bi-endianF    platforms in big-endian mode I don't think we'll see it rolling outE    on x86.  Even Sun found x86 Solaris to be a mistake they wanted to     abandon.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 10:07:53 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com 8 Subject: Re: HP hostility to alpha holding back itanium?C Message-ID: <1115226473.748440.129070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   @ x86 is a boat anchor that is slowly going down with the ship ...; the 64 bit extensions and some of the alpha technology that 8 Palmer gave away to them so they would hire him after he< sold dec will keep it afloat for awhile, but eventually that8 architecture will no longer be able to do new tricks ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 07:24:04 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... 8 Message-ID: <v3ug71hstpnsqdsrnhrqeqef8h0fkdc289@4ax.com>  M On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:49:14 -0400, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    >JF Mezei wrote: >  >... > K >> What is interesting is that customers WANT to hear about the port to the , >> 8086 and giving up on the sinking Itanic. > I >That might be what a lot of VMS customers want to hear, but I seriously  J >doubt that it's what most HP-UX customers want to hear - and HP seems to " >care quite a bit more about them. >  >- bill   C I wouldn't say that but there are indeed an awful lot more of them.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:58:36 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... - Message-ID: <874qdk4dir.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   5 "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> writes:   F > I think the reason they all have so many servers is that each serverE > only runs ONE service.  IIRC this was the MS recommended deployment ? > strategy, I guess to cover up the obvious problems the OS had A > dealing with more than one task simultaneously, and one service 6 > crashing whole machines and thus all other services.  C It is yet another part of DLL Hell. You can well end up with having F one or the other app working, but not both due to needing incompatable
 `fixed' DLLs!   E It is also I'm told about the only way you have any chance of getting * the lossage to stay up for most of a week.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 12:04:02 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... , Message-ID: <3drs1iF6t7e2oU1@individual.net>  - In article <874qdk4dir.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:7 > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> writes:  > G >> I think the reason they all have so many servers is that each server F >> only runs ONE service.  IIRC this was the MS recommended deployment@ >> strategy, I guess to cover up the obvious problems the OS hadB >> dealing with more than one task simultaneously, and one service7 >> crashing whole machines and thus all other services.  > E > It is yet another part of DLL Hell. You can well end up with having H > one or the other app working, but not both due to needing incompatable > `fixed' DLLs!  >    Been there, done that.    B We had a Graduate Assistant here some years ago (think Windows NT)A who had a "favorite" drawing program.  Every time he installed it B on a machine it overwrote a DLL needed by Netscape.  He would then@ complain that Netscape wasn't working.  I would reload Netscape.D That would make his draw program stop working so he would reload it.C That would make Netscape stop working. Repeat ad nauseum. Boy was I * glad to see that idiot graduate and leave.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 12:08:07 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... , Message-ID: <3drs96F6t7e2oU2@individual.net>  + In article <4278316D.9F9AAC8F@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Dave Froble wrote:	 >> [snip] E >> Me, I think that Intel doesn't like to lose face.  That may be the  >> savior of VMS.  > ? > Dunno, Dave... A "savior" that can't humble itself to admit a G > misjudgement might very well lead itself - and by extension, VMS - to J > ruin. History is rife with the exploits of those who tried to save face,C > and ended up destroying themselves and/or their allys in the end.   D How true.  VMS is already slower at some tasks (Note, I said slower,F not poorer) because of things like guaranteed IO (which I am sure veryE few users understand).  Now put it on an inferior processor resulting F in it being even slower than it's peers.  How long would you expect itC to survive?  How many people will even understand enough to know it H isn't the OSes fault at all?  All they will see is a really slow system.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 05:56:25 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... B Message-ID: <1115211385.224702.77010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  F it is not so much intel admitting it as HP admitting it ... why is the	 former HP D sales team fighting the alpha team over tukwila design ... why is HP throwingG another 3 billion in on flawed technology?  I think it is HP people not  wanting E to admit that epic stinks and it always will stink ... and that their  formerE competitor alpha is superior (even sandia thinks so) ... they are the  problem!   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 04:23:40 -0700 . From: "Dan  Williams" <williams.dan@gmail.com>" Subject: Missing disk from vax splC Message-ID: <1115205820.109890.209930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F Can anyone help me out with a copy of disk 4 of the June 1997 vax spl. I seem to of misplaced it.     Thanks Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 07:04:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Motif documentation availableB Message-ID: <1115204612.0c7741608576606e7fb769517bebe93e@teranews>  G I've fixed up the html motif documentation I had copied from a web site C that is now dead. It now sports very bland colours (black text :-).   G I also created a framed page that has all the routines on a left column F which display the doc on the right side (emulating what a PDF documentH with bookmarks would be like). Not pretty, no fancy styles, but it worksQ and the contents have all the right links that describe options for each widgets.   C The HTML was created about 10 years ago, so it shouldn't be too far . ahead of where VMS stopped its motif upgrades.    H Also, I generated a .ZIP file containing all the files (about 435) whichE you can dump into a directory and point your browser to. (there is an @ AAAREADME.TXT file which explains which files can be bookmarked.  1 go to 			http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/index.html    B and scroll down to the motif documentation block where the various options can be selected.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:18:57 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives3 Message-ID: <gCw+t2CyJ8HT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <JhVde.16$It1.10@lakeread02>, "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net> writes: > We have an OpenVMS network. J > We are purchasing an archival system (re: several RAID drives with smartK > controller).  The RAID drives would appear as a single 2 Terra Byte disk. M > Can OpenVMS recognize a "disk" of that size or would we just have to settle & > for a SCSI bay full of 400GB drives?  F    It depends on the version of VMS.  Since your's has the silent OpenF    stuck on it, it almost certainly does support 2TB disks.  Check the=    SPD for your version (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/spd).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 15:30:50 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives2 Message-ID: <KU5ee.4898$dT7.4627@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    It depends on the version of VMS.  Since your's has the silent OpenH >    stuck on it, it almost certainly does support 2TB disks.  Check the? >    SPD for your version (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/spd).   C In 5.5-2 and earlier versions, the volume size limit was 8 GB (8.5  G billion bytes). That was raised to 1 terabyte in V6.0. But sorry, 2 TB  E is too big for support in any version of VMS at present. File system  1 development work is required to raise this limit.   D If you need support in VMS for volumes over 1 TB in size, send your A cards and letters to Ann McQuaid using the typical convention of   firstname.lastname@HP.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:41:56 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS using RAID drives' Message-ID: <42790964.7000503@MMaz.com>    Keith Parris wrote:    > Bob Koehler wrote: > I >>    It depends on the version of VMS.  Since your's has the silent Open I >>    stuck on it, it almost certainly does support 2TB disks.  Check the @ >>    SPD for your version (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/spd). >  > E > In 5.5-2 and earlier versions, the volume size limit was 8 GB (8.5  I > billion bytes). That was raised to 1 terabyte in V6.0. But sorry, 2 TB  G > is too big for support in any version of VMS at present. File system  3 > development work is required to raise this limit.   F Perhaps this is a dumb question, but does any one really have any one F application that uses a single file of that size?  Presuming there is C any type of underlying databases, most databases will allow you to  G spread the areas across multiple spindles, or RAID partitions, thereby  C making the individual file size, or volume size limit irrelevant...      Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:19:49 +0200( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>- Subject: Parameters of system service $SETENV 3 Message-ID: <000201c550b4$54889620$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  B Does anybody know how to call the System Service SYS$SETENV. It isG totally undocumented till OpenVMS 8.2. If you could give an example, it  would be helpfull.   TIA and best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 02:59:50 -0700  From: mb301@hotmail.como% Subject: PowerTerm telnet connectionscC Message-ID: <1115200790.182610.164780@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   - Can anyone confirm if this normal behaviour:-e  5 Using PowerTerm to make a connection to an Alpha Box.a   $ show us /f fredT3   OpenVMS User Processes at  4-MAY-2005 10:43:11.06 2 Username   Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal  1 FRED     ALPHA1   FRED       27E369CD      TNXXXXPA                                            (HOST: PC1 Port: 4302)h  D Each time FRED connects up the port number is incremented by one, ie- next connection will be 4303, 4304, 4305 etc.h  7 Have other PCs that are causing the following problem:-r   $ ana/audit." Process owner:            [SYSTEM]; Terminal name:            _TNA3199, Host: pc3213 Port: 4624h& Image name:               LOGINOUT.EXE$ Remote node id:           xxxxxxxxxx  Remote node fullname:     pc3213) Remote username:          TELNET_0AB1017BMB Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command inputt  C It just seems that they are stuck in a loop trying all ports rangesn$ from 1024 - 5000 all day and night.   
 Any ideas?   ------------------------------   Date: 04 May 2005 10:12:05 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>) Subject: Re: PowerTerm telnet connectionsu7 Message-ID: <Xns964C7C56BFEFCdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>f  7 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:1115200790.182610.164780n @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.comh  / > Can anyone confirm if this normal behaviour:-  > 7 > Using PowerTerm to make a connection to an Alpha Box.e >  > $ show us /f fred-5 >   OpenVMS User Processes at  4-MAY-2005 10:43:11.06-4 > Username   Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal > 3 > FRED     ALPHA1   FRED       27E369CD      TNXXXXlC >                                            (HOST: PC1 Port: 4302)o > F > Each time FRED connects up the port number is incremented by one, ie/ > next connection will be 4303, 4304, 4305 etc.v  % Yes, this is pretty normal behaviour.r  9 > Have other PCs that are causing the following problem:-r > 
 > $ ana/auditt$ > Process owner:            [SYSTEM]= > Terminal name:            _TNA3199, Host: pc3213 Port: 4624 ( > Image name:               LOGINOUT.EXE& > Remote node id:           xxxxxxxxxx" > Remote node fullname:     pc3213+ > Remote username:          TELNET_0AB1017BrD > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command > inputh > E > It just seems that they are stuck in a loop trying all ports ranges & > from 1024 - 5000 all day and night.  >  > Any ideas?  G This sounds like a braindead terminal emulator that some user has left eJ running after they've logged out.  If it is set to auto-reconnect then it 5 will connect, time out, reconnect, timeout, etc. etc.f  E Visit the PC in question and check the configuration of the terminal tJ emulator.  If the problem returns, then visit the user in question with a  cluebat.     Doc. -- rG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.-G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:28:29 -0400$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>) Subject: Re: PowerTerm telnet connectionsd, Message-ID: <d5am6h$9ec$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,    >>G >> Each time FRED connects up the port number is incremented by one, ie 0 >> next connection will be 4303, 4304, 4305 etc. >D' > Yes, this is pretty normal behaviour.D  C FWIW, "Port" is the remote TCP port number for that telnet session:0   $ ucx sh dev/port=4302     Paul 3   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:49:21 -0600. From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com>K Subject: Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?) . Message-ID: <Bp4ee.4$Jd7.1425@news.uswest.net>  7 "Terry Aardema" <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in messagen6 news:Xns964B5F3E620Ctaardemanrcangcca@132.156.36.50... >tI > AFAIK, Pathworks/Advanced Server is still a NT 4 style server, and doesdJ > NOT talk Active Directory. Yet I can authenticate my VMS users against aI > Win2000 AD domain without problems. It's been a while since we set thisaK > up; it's possible that the Win2000 domain must be specifically set for NTeB > 4 compatibility, or at least not unset. I really don't remember. >> > HTHt >Q > Terry Aardema- > Systems and Network Managere > Natural Resources Canada >  > <#include disclaimer.h>l >m  F Advanced Server will be a "member" server in a native Active DirectoryL domain.  In other words, I can't provide logon functions to windows clients,F but you probably don't want that anyway given that you want to use the4 Windows Domain Controllers for login authentication.  
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 14:27:18 GMT * From: Terry Aardema <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca>K Subject: Re: Radius (was: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?) = Message-ID: <Xns964C560222B6Etaardemanrcangcca@132.156.36.50>   1 "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> wrote ina' news:Bp4ee.4$Jd7.1425@news.uswest.net:    E >> AFAIK, Pathworks/Advanced Server is still a NT 4 style server, andr  H > Advanced Server will be a "member" server in a native Active DirectoryE > domain.  In other words, I can't provide logon functions to windowshF > clients, but you probably don't want that anyway given that you wantA > to use the Windows Domain Controllers for login authentication.   J Yep, I knew that; that's how our Pathworks Advanced Server is configured. G My point was that Advanced Server is not Active Directory "aware", but lG interoperates fine with an AD domain, as long as things are configured  
 correctly.  
 Terry Aardemac Systems and Network Managerf Natural Resources Canada   <#include disclaimer.h>F   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 02:09:48 -07000$ From: "Will" <willhay99@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renamsB Message-ID: <1115197788.696074.49830@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  C I'm afraid the renaming problem turned out to be a red herring. The @ actual cause of the problem was a get command that preceeded theE rename. It now seems that a bug in ftp from the AS400 side means that C the get command MUST be used with files with the same record length 5 otherwise communication is lost. Sorry for misleading5   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:00:20 -0500V From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: Renaming files using ftp renamn3 Message-ID: <ZreLoI4Vw+$V@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  _ In article <d58anh$7vc$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:) [snip]L > Try it without the quotes.  In fact, a shorter version of the same command > would be:t > ! > renam ANDYL354000.DAT;672 .andyu   /inject nitpicks  < Depending on exactly what he's trying to do, a better syntax might be one of:   renam andyl35400.dat .andy+ (defaulting the source version for brevity)    or   renam andyl35400.dat .andy;*G (defaulting the source version and forcing the output version to match)    or    renam andyl35400.dat;672 .andy;*G (specifying the source version and forcing the output version to match)-  
 		John Briggs-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:12:27 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>Y Subject: Re: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License         pl / Message-ID: <00A43409.79395CE6.1@tachysoft.com>w  " >From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsQ >Subject: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License platen  >Date: 3 May 2005 20:33:16 -0700' >Organization: http://groups.google.comn   >sB >Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License >plate.  > F >Please visit:  www.openvms.org on the left nav bar the poll is there. >aC >The license plate will have a large OpenVMS in the middle with thei+ >slogan underneath.  Please vote only once.o >eD >This poll will only be up on the web site until next Friday May 13. >t  M Not much use for those of us who live in states requiring both front and backa plates. O ===============================================================================oN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   aO =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:58:58 +0200 ! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>44 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?9 Message-ID: <42787ff0$0$294$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>)   John Smith wrote:gL > One of the answers to that is that VMS is just about the only commerciallyN > available 'proprietary' operating system which is not advertised and has not> > been advertised for nearly a decade (give or take a little). >   7 And the next logical question, asked openly or not, is:a "_why_ was it not advertised?"& This is where people usually bail out.   S    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:46:14 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?, Message-ID: <Gbudned627uTK-XfRVn-qA@igs.net>   Soterro wrote: > John Smith wrote:8@ >> One of the answers to that is that VMS is just about the onlyE >> commercially available 'proprietary' operating system which is nottF >> advertised and has not been advertised for nearly a decade (give or >> take a little). >> >d9 > And the next logical question, asked openly or not, is:i  > "_why_ was it not advertised?"( > This is where people usually bail out.    K A pathological desire by the powerful Wintel crowd inside Digital/Compaq/HPMH not to do so, coupled with an "Oh my, we haven't been EOL'd so we'd bestJ shut up and be grateful that we're just barely alive" attitude from senior VMS/BCS management.n  I If various pronouncements by various ChumPHaq officials about how VMS hasnL had double digit growth rates recently and during the Pfeiffer rennaisance -K all without the benefit of even small amounts of advertising, even the most E newbie marketing 101 student could have figured out that doing *some*u( advertising would have been a good idea.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 08:34:43 -0500o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?3 Message-ID: <c3vRXooUV$ma@eisner.encompasserve.org>)  ] In article <42787ff0$0$294$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> writes:' > 9 > And the next logical question, asked openly or not, is:H  > "_why_ was it not advertised?"( > This is where people usually bail out.  H    Most organizations have a serious "not invented here" issue.  SomehowF    the computer industry outside of Sun has a serious "not invented at=    MS" issue.  Same underlying human trait, different target.c   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2005 07:02:35 -0700a$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?B Message-ID: <1115215355.246347.36680@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:C > In article <42787ff0$0$294$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterrow <soterroatyahoocom> writes:l > >i; > > And the next logical question, asked openly or not, is:g" > > "_why_ was it not advertised?"* > > This is where people usually bail out. >-A >    Most organizations have a serious "not invented here" issue.r SomehoweE >    the computer industry outside of Sun has a serious "not inventedm at? >    MS" issue.  Same underlying human trait, different target.a    C But isn't it effectively the same thing as MS pretty much copied or.( bought from others? OK, almost the same.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.248 ************************