1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 254       Contents:P Re: Good morning or good evening depending upon your location. I want to ask you1 Re: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business 8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... naive hobbyist question  Re: naive hobbyist question  Re: naive hobbyist question  New version of php_mysql.EXE Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted P Re: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License  plate  plK Re: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License plate ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:44:39 -0500 From: "bub" <bub@home.com>Y Subject: Re: Good morning or good evening depending upon your location. I want to ask you 8 Message-ID: <4aa2e$427ced27$4088d906$6736@EVERESTKC.NET>   test) <Ronald700021@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1114969182.655156.260460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   1 This is the most important question of your life.    The question is: Are you saved?   ) It is not a question of how good you are, 2 nor if you are a church member, but are you saved?  0 Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die?  2 The reason some people don't know for sure if they1 are going to Heaven when they die is because they  just don't know.  0 The good news is that you can know for sure that you are going to Heaven.  . The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful. place with no death, sorrow, sickness or pain.  / God tells us in the Holy Bible how simple it is 0 to be saved so that we can live forever with Him
 in Heaven.  1 "For if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord 2 and believe in your heart that God raised Him from+ the dead, you WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)   1 Over 2000 years ago God came from Heaven to earth / in the person of Jesus Christ to shed His blood / and die on a cross to pay our sin debt in full.   1 Jesus Christ was born in Israel supernaturally to 4 a virgin Jewish woman named Mary and lived a sinless life for thirty-three years.  1 At the age of thirty-three Jesus was scourged and 0 had a crown of thorns pressed onto His head then Jesus was crucified.  . Three days after Jesus died on a cross and was3 placed in a grave Jesus rose from the dead as Jesus $ said would happen before Jesus died.  3 If someone tells you that they are going to die and . then three days later come back to life and it- actually happens then this person must be the 
 real deal.  1 Jesus Christ is the only person that ever lived a  perfect sinless life.   5 This is why Jesus is able to cover our sins(misdeeds) , with His own blood because Jesus is sinless.  + The Holy Bible says, "In Him(Jesus) we have 0 redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins..." (Ephesians 1:7)  2 If you would like God to forgive you of your past,3 present and future sins just ask Jesus Christ to be  your Lord and Saviour.  1 It doesn't matter how old you are or how many bad 0 things that you have done in your life including, lying and stealing all the way up to murder.  3 Just pray the prayer below with your mouth and mean 6 it from your heart and God will hear you and save you.  3 Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can 2 have a home in Heaven with You when I die. I agree4 with You that I am a sinner. I believe that You love3 me and want to save me. I believe that You bled and 4 died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins and3 that You rose from the dead. Please forgive my sins 2 and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour.4 Thanks Lord Jesus Christ for forgiving me and saving% me through Your merciful grace. Amen.   4 Welcome to the family of God if you just allowed God to save you.  1 Now you are a real Christian and you can know for 3 sure that you will live in Heaven forever when this  life comes to an end.   2 As a child of God we are to avoid sin(wrongdoing),/ but if you do sin the Holy Bible says, "My dear 2 children, I write this to you so that you will not4 sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks* to the Father in our defense Jesus Christ, the Righteous One."   4 Those of you that have not yet decided to place your4 trust in the Lord Jesus Christ may never get another0 chance to do so because you do not know when you	 will die.   2 Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life:2 no one can come to the Father(God)(in Heaven), but by me." (John 14:6)   4 This means that if you die without trusting in Jesus4 Christ as your Lord and Saviour you will die in your5 sins and be forever separated from the love of God in  a place called Hell.  2 The Holy Bible descibes Hell as a place of eternal4 torment, suffering, pain and agony for all those who have rejected Jesus Christ.   4 The good news is that you can avoid Hell by allowing2 Jesus Christ to save you today. Only then will you3 have true peace in your life knowing that no matter + what happens you are on your way to Heaven.      Praise the Lord!  Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ Ronald L. Grossi    A * Show this to your family and friends so they can also be saved.   ? * This message may get deleted so you may want to print a copy.   D * Just press the [Ctrl][P] keys on your keyboard to print this page.      3 `...`...`.?..`...`..`      Got Questions?( http://www.gotquestions.org/archive.html   Other Languages ' http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps.html    Free Movie: To Hell and Back% http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html   	 Animation A http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/animations/walk/index.html    The Passion Of The Christ $ http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com   Beware Of Cults & http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm  
 About Hell# http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm   
 Is Jesus God? 0 http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html   Free Online Bible  http://www.biblegateway.com     3 `...`...`.?..`...`..`    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 01:09:37 +1200 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> : Subject: Re: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business# Message-ID: <427cbd3b@clear.net.nz>   
 DavidT wrote:     > www.islandco.com/hobbyist.html >  > ( Ooooh, make me drool when I don't wanna!  H I like the look of the equipment, pity I don't have the cash on hand. ;)  
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:12:05 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... 8 Message-ID: <c4qp711fg7ucqs64rg0n3st5ls3lrqdp2t@4ax.com>  G On Sat, 7 May 2005 10:42:41 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   F >And it's an issue with the customer base in that fewer and fewer apps4 >(commercial or open source) are available for VMS.   K In the case of Open Source quite the contrary is true. Not to mention Java. P There are many more applications available on OpenVMS than there just five years ago.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 01:15:53 +1200 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>   Subject: naive hobbyist question# Message-ID: <427cbeb3@clear.net.nz>   G I've got the license, I've got VMS installed on SIMH VAX, and thanks to . everybody who helped with advice or equipment.  L The problem is, last year I spent a long time away from my PC and got out ofC touch with VMS as in I didn't have any access at all to my hobbyist 
 installation.   L Now I've updated my license, but since I haven't touched my VMS installationF for quite a while, and the license configuration files on it will have lapsed.   J How do I update them on the installation itself?  Boot up the installationD and feed in the license details?  I've never done anything like thisG before, I must admit - most of my software hasn't been anywhere near as  touchy with license details.  % Any help will be greatfully received.    Thanks  
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: naive hobbyist question$ Message-ID: <d5ihc3$c7e$1@online.de>  2 In article <427cbeb3@clear.net.nz>, Tux Wonder-Dog% <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> writes:    L > How do I update them on the installation itself?  Boot up the installationF > and feed in the license details?  I've never done anything like thisI > before, I must admit - most of my software hasn't been anywhere near as  > touchy with license details.  B At least on a real machine, you can log on at the console even if G licenses have expired.  You should be able to get the license (it is a  0 DCL procedure) over the network then execute it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:32:01 -0400 ) From: Bill Pechter <pechter@monmouth.com> $ Subject: Re: naive hobbyist question+ Message-ID: <427CED81.6000800@monmouth.com>    Tux Wonder-Dog wrote: I > I've got the license, I've got VMS installed on SIMH VAX, and thanks to 0 > everybody who helped with advice or equipment. > N > The problem is, last year I spent a long time away from my PC and got out ofE > touch with VMS as in I didn't have any access at all to my hobbyist  > installation.  > N > Now I've updated my license, but since I haven't touched my VMS installationH > for quite a while, and the license configuration files on it will have	 > lapsed.  > L > How do I update them on the installation itself?  Boot up the installationF > and feed in the license details?  I've never done anything like thisI > before, I must admit - most of my software hasn't been anywhere near as  > touchy with license details. > ' > Any help will be greatfully received.  >  > Thanks >  > Wesley Parish   F Cut and paste from email works in small "bytes" -- I've found I loose  stuff when pushing it too far.  G I've even made a CD-R with the license files and mounted the iso9660 to - bring the .com files over to do the licenses.    Bill   --   --F d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now! pechter-at-ureach.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:44:18 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= % Subject: New version of php_mysql.EXE 5 Message-ID: <427cd445$0$807$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   G I have build a new version of php_mysql.EXE using MySQL client library   4.1.9 and OPENSSL097E.C The previous kit was link against an old SSL version which was not  . compatible with the latest one (use by MySQL).  D This version support the new authentication mechanism used by MySQL.  G The zip file PHP_MYSQL_MYSQL_419.ZIP contain the correct php_mysql.EXE.   E Can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/axp/      Sorry for any inconvenience.    
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 01:04:39 +1200 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> ( Subject: Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted# Message-ID: <427cbc12@clear.net.nz>   H And there I was thinking you were referring to actual tar pits. ;)  Yes, I've thought that way too.  J It would be one way of puzzling future geologists and palaeontologists. ;)  
 Wesley Parish    Kevin Handy wrote:   > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:8 >> Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote: >>  : >>>I am thinking about a program that would accept typical8 >>>Unix/Linux commands and give responses that will look? >>>like it worked, at least to a script kiddie.  An alternative ? >>>would be something completely alien to them, like VMS.   :-)  >>   >>  E >> VMS is way to normal, try dumping them into something like ITS :^)  >> > : > Hook up a simh emulator running something interesting to7 > the telnet port (VAX/VMS, PDP-11 Unix, etc.). You can 9 > periodically kill the emulator, rewrite its drives from 9 > a backup, and restart. Let them hack it, then when they 8 > come back an hour later, they will find all their work7 > has mysteriously disappeared. It shouldn't be hard to ' > hack it to log the session to a file.  >  >>  = >>>Of course, there is always the option of simply giving him < >>>a regular non-priv VMS user account, with a login message= >>>about using the HELP command and links to the online docs. < >>>We might wind up with another VMS convert that way.   :-) >>   >>  / >> Not really the kind of VMS converts we need.  >>   >> Zane  >>   > F > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure UsenetL > News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!L > 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy > via Encryption =----   --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:58:11 -0400 / From: Marc Belanger <belanger.mark@comcast.net> Y Subject: Re: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License  plate  pl 0 Message-ID: <YKSdnQuce5g5buHfRVn-1A@comcast.com>   John Smith wrote:   " >>>Getting back to amateur day : - >> >>How about: >>& >>VMS, the operating system for adults! >>VMS, the adult operating system  >> >>  @ Reminds me of the term describing Blue Oyster Cult genre; Adult 
 Contemporary.    Need more Cowbell? VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2005 07:26:50 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com T Subject: Re: Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License plateC Message-ID: <1115476010.073993.205770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   9 Folks you can vote on these until next Wed the 11 of May.    Sue   " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > Dear Newsgroup > C > Time to vote on your favorite slogan for the next OpenVMS License  > plate. > G > Please visit:  www.openvms.org on the left nav bar the poll is there.  > D > The license plate will have a large OpenVMS in the middle with the, > slogan underneath.  Please vote only once. > E > This poll will only be up on the web site until next Friday May 13.  >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 07:22:08 GMT + From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> * Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505070719260.98@kd6lvw.ampr.org>  2 On Mon, 2 May 2005 briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:l > In article <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505020826180.78@kd6lvw.ampr.org>, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:S > > However, 554 is the proper code defined in RFC 2821 for policy rejections after P > > the DATA subcommand.  You will find that the RFC contains a listing of validR > > error states that may be returned after certain commands, and 556 is not among	 > > them.  > I > Re-read the RFC.  There's no requirement that the code that is returned  > be listed there.  I Acceptance by a client of that merely allows for further expansion of the M codes.  However, any proper server that currently complies with RFC 2821 will L NEVER send such a code - because it is NOT listed in the valid error states.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 07:27:22 GMT + From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> * Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505070722430.98@kd6lvw.ampr.org>  2 On Mon, 2 May 2005 briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:l > In article <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505020824160.78@kd6lvw.ampr.org>, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:7 > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  > [snip]G > >> RFC 2822 is irrelevant.  It describes message format, not transfer  > >> protocol. > >>6 > >> RFC 2821 is the controlling document.  It states: > >>F > >>    An SMTP server SHOULD send only the reply codes listed in thisK > >>    document.  An SMTP server SHOULD use the text shown in the examples  > >>    whenever appropriate.  > >>K > >> 556 is not one of the listed codes.  In the language of the RFC's, the D > >> "SHOULD" means that use of code 556 is allowed but discouraged. > > S > > Nor defined.  All that means is that if it's sent, it should be recognized as a R > > "PERMFAIL" of the message for future compatibility, but there currently existsJ > > no circumstances under which it should ever be sent - so sending it is > > currently a protocol error.  > G > Violating a "should" does not constitute a protocol error.  Find me a - > "must" and we'll talk.  Note the following:  > B >   "The list of codes that appears below MUST NOT be construed asE >    permanent.  While the addition of new codes should be a rare and G >    significant activity, with supplemental information in the textual H >    part of the response being preferred, new codes may be added as the? >    result of new Standards or Standards-track specifications. E >    Consequently, a sender-SMTP MUST be prepared to handle codes not H >    specified in this document and MUST do so by interpreting the first >    digit only.  M ...And when such a code is added, there will be a new RFC documenting it.  In L the meantime, this simply tells clients that as SMTP evolves, it is possibleN that new codes will show up.  However, any such new code will not be RFC 2821,J but will be "RFC X" where "RFC X" will presumedly state that it overrides,) replaces, or otherwise modifies RFC 2821.   > > The SMTP client is required to deal with the issue.  As longE > as the first digit is correct, and the SMTP client is compliant, no  > protocol error can result.  E However, an RFC 2821 server will NEVER generate such a code, as it is 
 undefined.  L > You really need to quote some text to support your contentions.  According" > to the RFC, you're zero for two.  O And you fail to understand the term "reserved for expansion and/or future use." O Clients must be prepared to accept codes that servers currently do not generate * as standards are revised.  "Adapt or die."   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 07:30:09 GMT + From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> * Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505070728460.98@kd6lvw.ampr.org>  * On Mon, 2 May 2005, Michael Moroney wrote:/ > "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes: P > >> The 5xx status tells the client the mail was rejected and the client should > >> not retry.  > >>L > >> 55x codes usually are used for "home grown" error messages, rather thanO > >> one of the predefined ones.  These days they often are used for 'get lost,  > >> spammer!' type messages > R > >However, 554 is the proper code defined in RFC 2821 for policy rejections afterO > >the DATA subcommand.  You will find that the RFC contains a listing of valid Q > >error states that may be returned after certain commands, and 556 is not among  > >them. > I > Actually, 550, not 554, is designated for rejection for policy reasons.   N In response to "MAIL FROM:" or "RCPT TO:", 550 is correct.  However, following "DATA", 554 is the code to use.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.254 ************************