1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 09 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 258       Contents: Re: 7.3-2 and 8.X-Y ' Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ?? + Re: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ??  Apache, php, PHP_FLAG  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas 4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?@ Re: Heads up Alpha and Storage information - Ok for External use@ Re: Heads up Alpha and Storage information - Ok for External use4 License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 RE: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....  Re: New version of php_mysql.EXE Re: ordering OpenVMS 8.26 Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas6 Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas2 OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas6 Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas( RE: Parameters of system service $SETENV( Re: Parameters of system service $SETENV Re: RMS Different Example. Re: RMS Different Example.P Re: Updated VMS Information - please keep for future reference - ok for external Re: VAXstation 4000 vlc  Re: VAXstation 4000 vlc ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556?  Re: [OT]: Hubris & Payday at HP  Re: [OT]: Hubris & Payday at HP   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:34:44 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: 7.3-2 and 8.X-Y3 Message-ID: <X+i5pBzWwuB6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <d5ghjq$sp$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > K > Yes, of course, and 8.2 exists.  Let me phrase the question another way:  J > what is the highest ALPHA release (and what is the highest VAX release) K > for which there are concrete plans, i.e. for which it is reasonably sure  - > that it will appear sometime in the future?   F    The point is, no one has planned far enough out to see a last AlphaB    release.  There is no last Alpha release in anyone's forseeable
    future.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:12:48 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>0 Subject: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ??4 Message-ID: <d5nnkg$r5b$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>   Got the following in my log 5 211.55.209.131 - - [29/Apr/2005:16:37:57 +0100] "GET  - http://umsky.com/sproxy.php HTTP/1.0" 404 328 4 220.170.88.36 - - [01/May/2005:03:26:44 +0100] "GET ( http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456J 195.154.246.201 - - [01/May/2005:13:38:08 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 14568 82.53.153.215 - - [05/May/2005:15:18:34 +0100] "CONNECT # 207.46.133.140:21 HTTP/1.0" 405 363 3 61.159.46.68 - - [07/May/2005:00:30:46 +0100] "GET  + http://www.online.sh.cn/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456   H This is an external facing, but unused, unpublished, Apache server on a H non-default port, Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, PHP 4.3.2, mysql. When I 4 try to construct a url like that from a browser (eg I "http://myserver/http://www.yahoo.com/", I get a leading '/' in the log,   and a 404 error, as expected. ? I'm concerned at the apparently successful relays to yahoo etc. H Anyone know what they are, whether they're dangerous, how to stop them ?   Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:16:44 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> 4 Subject: Re: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ??2 Message-ID: <M1Mfe.5093$dS4.3129@news.cpqcorp.net>   Chris Sharman wrote: > Got the following in my log 7 > 211.55.209.131 - - [29/Apr/2005:16:37:57 +0100] "GET  / > http://umsky.com/sproxy.php HTTP/1.0" 404 328 6 > 220.170.88.36 - - [01/May/2005:03:26:44 +0100] "GET * > http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456L > 195.154.246.201 - - [01/May/2005:13:38:08 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1456: > 82.53.153.215 - - [05/May/2005:15:18:34 +0100] "CONNECT % > 207.46.133.140:21 HTTP/1.0" 405 363 5 > 61.159.46.68 - - [07/May/2005:00:30:46 +0100] "GET  - > http://www.online.sh.cn/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456  > J > This is an external facing, but unused, unpublished, Apache server on a J > non-default port, Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, PHP 4.3.2, mysql. When I 6 > try to construct a url like that from a browser (eg K > "http://myserver/http://www.yahoo.com/", I get a leading '/' in the log,   > and a 404 error, as expected. A > I'm concerned at the apparently successful relays to yahoo etc. J > Anyone know what they are, whether they're dangerous, how to stop them ?  G It looks like one or more people are probing to see if you have one of  H several known PHP scripting bugs or open proxies that allow them to use  webservers to relay spam.   G A search on the block containing your posting address shows senderbase  F has only seen e-mail from two addresses that the rDNS claims are mail  servers.  I This would tend to indicate that what ever the prober was searching for,   they did not find.   For more information:    http://dsbl.org/relay-methods   I In order to test what the prober is doing, you will probably need to use  . TELNET and feed the raw commands to that port.  B If it is an open proxy, my guess is that you would be seeing more C connections.  If it is a php scripting exploit, once they find the  7 exploit, you may not see any more accesses in the logs.   G I am not aware of any reports of the PHP on OpenVMS with Apache having   any known vulnerabilities.  H A recent vulnerability was found in PHP on UNIX where it can be spoofed H into running a script though the FTP-URL method listed above.  I do not I know if that bug is present on OpenVMS.  If a patch was available, it is  H less than 72 hours old.  It only affects PHP scripts that are searching " the internet for public FTP sites.  B According to the folks at MOZILLA.ORG, The Mozilla browser is not 5 vulnerable to the FTP-URL relay hack on any platform.   I Look up the output I.P. in http://moensted.dk/spam/ to see if anyone has   seen spam coming from it.   G If you see a listing in spamcop,spamhaus,njabl,dsbl,opm.blitzed.org,or  # cbl.abuseat.org, be very concerned.   I The monested page also has a link that will do a google search to see if  7 anyone has posted a spam sample from your I.P. address.      -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:37:06 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Apache, php, PHP_FLAG4 Message-ID: <d5n7fi$ial$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  + I've got the following code in mod_php.conf   F Seems to successfully turn register_globals on; but can't turn it off G for issue-tracker - can this be done, or do I have to enable .htaccess  A and use that (which is advised against for performance reasons) ?  Also tried /home/Issue-Tracker*   * PHP_FLAG        register_globals        ON ## mod for issue-tracker PHP_FLAG magic_quotes_gpc OFF  ## this doesn't work <Directory /Issue-Tracker*>  PHP_FLAG register_globals off  </Directory>  A (I'm presuming it doesn't work, because issue-tracker sniffs the   setting, and complains).& VMS Alpha 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, php 4.3.2   Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:05:42 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas) Message-ID: <d5ng66$htm$1@news.BelWue.DE>   T In article <3e4nn1F179naU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote: > t >> In article <ZBSRV8Q$wjS9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>  f >>>In article <5a4PHSRQQrhg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>> L >>>>So far as I can see, nothing surpasses Appletalk for accessing printers. >>> H >>>  Let me understand this, are we talking VMS access to Apple printersG >>>  or MacOS access to VMS printers?  In the latter case there is LPD, = >>>  which the panel for adding printers under MacOS accepts.  >>> D >>>  In the former, I think you need to get OS X in the middle for a= >>>  current solution.  Not the best situation, but workable.  >>   >>   >> We have the following setup:  >>  : >>     Mac --->AppleTalk---> VMS --->something---> printer >>  J >> "something" is no problem. The problem is "AppleTalk". The advantage ofL >> AppleTalk is that a Mac user may get an automatically updated list of allP >> available printers and their capabilities. Of course you may use LPD but thenN >> you have to configure each printer manually on each Mac (or you tell VMS to >> speak "Rendezvous").  >>   > K >Does CUPS offer any advantage here? From a search for "CUPS" in OS X Help:  > E >"Note: Shared Mac OS X printers are automatically available to UNIX  = >users who are using the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS)."   L This means, a printer directly connected to some OS-X system, can be used byN other OS-X systems. Not quite the above. In addition it is very handy for someJ special printers to have them monitored by VMS. The problem is how to make3 these printers available to Macs without AppleTalk.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 12:18:13 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas+ Message-ID: <3e92o5F1pv8pU2@individual.net>   + In article <3e78njF1ijvrU1@individual.net>, ) 	Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > . >> In article <3e4n6sF16op1U1@individual.net>,, >> 	Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: >>  2 >>>Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >>> J >>>>In article <1115305516.704342.83710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ed' >>>>Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:   >>>> >>>> >>>>G >>>>>Is it just me or does the Google web interface to comp.os.vms just 
 >>>>>suck? >>>> >>>>I >>>>I doubt the interface to comp.os.vms is different than that to other   >>>>groups.  >>>>D >>>>Why use it?  For about a dozen years now I have been using Matt < >>>>Madison's NEWSRDR on VMS.  Why read news with a browser? >>>> >>> 6 >>>When you don't have direct access to a news server? >>   >>   >> news.individual.de  >>   >> Good service and cheap. >>  K > Yes I'm using it myself, but several years ago at work they blocked NNTP  J > at the firewall, and I have since found myself accessing the occasional K > system, whether in internet cafes, on courses or at customers which have    > no form of newsreader present.  0 Do you have full-time INTERNET access from home?+ Can you get to your home system from work?  ' Does your company's firewall block VNC?   ! There's always a way around.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:59:30 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 1 Message-ID: <96516957Ewspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   5 bob@instantwhip.com wrote in <1115227263.672159.26330  @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:   ( >why all this fuss?  If the user can log' >into one node, why not just use decnet & >and allow him proxy access to all the% >other boxes w/o passwords ... single ) >authentication on the first node w/proxy ! >access on all others ... simple?   H Proxy access would allow a given user access to data files, but I don't K think he could log into the box, could he?  And in my case, he's gotta log  G in to instantiate the custom application he needs to run.  File access   alone isn't enough.    Or am I missing something here?    ws   --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ) - My other computer is YOUR Windows box -    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:03:17 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 0 Message-ID: <117v5up46e7vod1@corp.supernews.com>   Warren Spencer wrote: 7 > bob@instantwhip.com wrote in <1115227263.672159.26330 ! > @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:  >  > ) >>why all this fuss?  If the user can log ( >>into one node, why not just use decnet' >>and allow him proxy access to all the & >>other boxes w/o passwords ... single* >>authentication on the first node w/proxy" >>access on all others ... simple? >  > J > Proxy access would allow a given user access to data files, but I don't M > think he could log into the box, could he?  And in my case, he's gotta log  I > in to instantiate the custom application he needs to run.  File access   > alone isn't enough.  > ! > Or am I missing something here?  >  > ws >   C What I'm reading is, if it's a login via SET HOST, allow the login  H without a password.  I'm not sure how to implement such, but I'll admit F I haven't given it any thought.  I just would be hesitant to have any 7 user accounts that didn't require a password for login.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 02:32:06 -0700  From: icerq4a@spray.seI Subject: Re: Heads up Alpha and Storage information - Ok for External use C Message-ID: <1115631126.400202.160480@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:F > > so much for power 5 ... at less than half the bandwidth of an EV7, theyG > > can have the fastest processor in the world, but it will sputter on  its  > > own data ... > >  > E > Second, you seem to miss what's important.  Alpha can do the things  as@ > described in the announcement, but there will be no follow-on.  ( You also seem to miss something here...,+ it has very little to with which CPU it is. " It is a machine specific property.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:43:49 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com I Subject: Re: Heads up Alpha and Storage information - Ok for External use - Message-ID: <87vf5uvt6y.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    bob@instantwhip.com writes:   I > so much for power 5 ... at less than half the bandwidth of an EV7, they I > can have the fastest processor in the world, but it will sputter on its  > own data ...  * Better than being strangled by its vendor.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 02:53:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) , Message-ID: <427F08D9.6DC4BB8C@teksavvy.com>  : For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists....  F LICENSE should have the ability to list all licences that are about to expire within X time.   H LICENSE should have the ability to licence/replace so that when you haveG a hobbyist licence that is about to expire, you can replace it with the D new licence sent to you by the kind folks at the hobbyist programme.  E (it is a pain to have to individually licence/delete old licences and % then add the new ones and load them).   3 perhaps "license update" which would automatically: 7 	-delete existing licence about to (or already) expired F 	-register the new licence with all the other parameters accompagnying the update (same as register) ( 	-load the licence so it is operational.  C Hobbyists have to update all their licenses once a year and this is  extremely time consuming :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:30:03 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) * Message-ID: <427F2D9B.2070205@bigpond.com>   JF Mezei was overheard to say:< > For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists.... > H > LICENSE should have the ability to list all licences that are about to > expire within X time.  > J > LICENSE should have the ability to licence/replace so that when you haveI > a hobbyist licence that is about to expire, you can replace it with the F > new licence sent to you by the kind folks at the hobbyist programme. > G > (it is a pain to have to individually licence/delete old licences and ' > then add the new ones and load them).  > 5 > perhaps "license update" which would automatically: 9 > 	-delete existing licence about to (or already) expired H > 	-register the new licence with all the other parameters accompagnying > the update (same as register) * > 	-load the licence so it is operational. > E > Hobbyists have to update all their licenses once a year and this is  > extremely time consuming :-)  < With a bit of DCL and Teco it takes all of about a minute...A Haven't you heard that these computer things are supposed to make $ the boring and mundane tasks easier?   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------   Date: 09 May 2005 10:40:05 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) 7 Message-ID: <Xns965181873AC48dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   ( %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, David B Sneddon wrote in" news:427F2D9B.2070205@bigpond.com     > JF Mezei was overheard to say:   <snip>  F >> Hobbyists have to update all their licenses once a year and this is >> extremely time consuming :-)  > > > With a bit of DCL and Teco it takes all of about a minute...C > Haven't you heard that these computer things are supposed to make & > the boring and mundane tasks easier?  D I used TPU and a learn sequence to make a LICENSE_REMOVE.COM, and a L LICENSE_LOAD.COM from the hobbyist license script you get mailed.  Run them 4 either side of the Hobbyist one and the job is done.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 06:59:26 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) 3 Message-ID: <Zq+7KkRMED4G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <427F2D9B.2070205@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:  > JF Mezei was overheard to say:= >> For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists....   4 I don't see how VAX hobbyists are profitable for HP.  I >> LICENSE should have the ability to list all licences that are about to  >> expire within X time.  C Adding such a capability to the LICENSE command does not seem worth E the effort since it is already in the SHOW LICENSE command.  Hobbyist = licenses for a given user all expire at the same time anyway.   K >> LICENSE should have the ability to licence/replace so that when you have J >> a hobbyist licence that is about to expire, you can replace it with theG >> new licence sent to you by the kind folks at the hobbyist programme.  >>  H >> (it is a pain to have to individually licence/delete old licences and( >> then add the new ones and load them).  D The design center of LMF is that expired licenses are to be disabled9 rather than deleted.  That retains a history of licenses.   6 >> perhaps "license update" which would automatically:: >> 	-delete existing licence about to (or already) expiredI >> 	-register the new licence with all the other parameters accompagnying   >> the update (same as register)+ >> 	-load the licence so it is operational.  >>  F >> Hobbyists have to update all their licenses once a year and this is >> extremely time consuming :-)  > > > With a bit of DCL and Teco it takes all of about a minute...   Agreed.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:06:34 GMT 1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) : Message-ID: <slrnd7uki3.r2v.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  = On 2005-05-09, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: < > For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists....  D There should also be a way to find out which license is preventing aL particular operation from succeeding. My VAX is down at the moment because IL can't FTP the license file over, and I haven't been able to figure out whichE license is needed to enable it - and none of the ones I've tried have  worked.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:50:18 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) + Message-ID: <3e94kaF1qojgU1@individual.net>    Jay Maynard wrote:  ? > On 2005-05-09, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > < >>For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists.... >  > F > There should also be a way to find out which license is preventing aN > particular operation from succeeding. My VAX is down at the moment because IN > can't FTP the license file over, and I haven't been able to figure out whichG > license is needed to enable it - and none of the ones I've tried have 	 > worked.  > D Alternatives I've used to get the licenses across, depending on the  hardware you have available:  8 o - via floppy formatted on another VMS system - easiestG o - via floppy formatted on a PC, but you need PCX or PCDISK on the VMS I      system to read it, see the VMS FAQ "7.2  How do I access a Microsoft 4      Windows floppy disk from OpenVMS?" for details. o - burn them to a CD , o - connect a serial line to the VAX consoleF o - of course, if you already have old licenses on the VMS system, set8      the date back to before they expired to do the FTP.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 10:24:26 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) 3 Message-ID: <oMAt10O3Ew2z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <slrnd7uki3.r2v.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>, Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> writes:? > On 2005-05-09, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: = >> For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists....  > F > There should also be a way to find out which license is preventing aN > particular operation from succeeding. My VAX is down at the moment because IN > can't FTP the license file over, and I haven't been able to figure out whichG > license is needed to enable it - and none of the ones I've tried have 	 > worked.   , You could use the logical name described in:  W http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/1c10b1294ce303a0?dmode=source&hl=en   G I do not believe a supported feature in this area is viable, since just H the information about what license checks were tried and failed does notG tell the whole story.  The logic behind how the failures affect a given 7 application is concealed within the application itself.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:28:35 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) A Subject: RE: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... 3 Message-ID: <iyPxdg4LIdia@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ED127@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: > A > [I have always had a hard time understanding supposeably modern H > languages like Java requiring "garbage collection" routines that clean= > up memory .. And negatively impact system performance as my F > understanding is that you have little control over when this garbage" > collection routines kick in ...]  E    I like this feature.  I'd never use Java in a situation where that 3    kind of performance impact was important anyhow.   F    Beats the hell out of programming in C++ where I spend half my timeE    writing destructors because C++ can't track pointers.  But I'd not @    choose C++ for those performance critical situations, either.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:34:01 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>) Subject: Re: New version of php_mysql.EXE 4 Message-ID: <d5n79p$i2u$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Jean-Franois Pironne wrote:   I > I have build a new version of php_mysql.EXE using MySQL client library   > 4.1.9 and OPENSSL097E.E > The previous kit was link against an old SSL version which was not  0 > compatible with the latest one (use by MySQL). > F > This version support the new authentication mechanism used by MySQL. > I > The zip file PHP_MYSQL_MYSQL_419.ZIP contain the correct php_mysql.EXE.  > G > Can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/axp/    Many Thanks  Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:32:51 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: ordering OpenVMS 8.2 3 Message-ID: <5dmn2Fyy7AE0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <427C26A2.AAA2E8A4@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Bob Kaplow wrote:  >>  @ >> Any idea on when the Hobbyist kit for 8.2 Alpha might be out? > C > About the only real advantage to that seems to be having a couple I > compiler kits on the O.S. disk image. Otherwise, if you already get the ( > VMS CDs and the ConDist (aka SPL), ...  G    Some of us no longer have access to the latest versions at work.  So E    we'll be needing an 8.2 Hobbyist kit or we'll have to keep running     7.x at home.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:44:49 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas 3 Message-ID: <vI2xZNHW2tI8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <1115504026.497393.269900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> writes:  > G > Are you saying Terminal's VT100 emulation is incomplete, or buggy? Or G > is DEC Notes not in fact using standard VT100? It could be that Apple H > was never able to test against DEC Notes, which is why making a usefulH > bug report would seem the sensible thing to do. How else do things get& > improved, at Apple or anywhere else? >   H    OS X Terminal can't run EDT in screen mode, DECNotes, or TPU, just toJ    name a few.  It's just plain not emulating a VT100.  So go out and get J    a copy of BetterTelnet, MacSSH PPC, or any other free Mac program that     will emulate a VT100.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:33:59 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>? Subject: Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas + Message-ID: <3e9767F1qe7fU1@individual.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:  o > In article <1115504026.497393.269900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> writes:  > G >>Are you saying Terminal's VT100 emulation is incomplete, or buggy? Or G >>is DEC Notes not in fact using standard VT100? It could be that Apple H >>was never able to test against DEC Notes, which is why making a usefulH >>bug report would seem the sensible thing to do. How else do things get& >>improved, at Apple or anywhere else? >> >  > J >    OS X Terminal can't run EDT in screen mode, DECNotes, or TPU, just toL >    name a few.  It's just plain not emulating a VT100.  So go out and get L >    a copy of BetterTelnet, MacSSH PPC, or any other free Mac program that  >    will emulate a VT100. >   G I've been using iTerm with quite some success. One nice feature is that G in numlock mode on a laptop, the keypad generates VT keypad sequences,  J so EDT, DECNotes and TPU are useable (even if toggling numlock is a pain).   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 08:45:34 -0700 ' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> ; Subject: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas C Message-ID: <1115653534.604970.247770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:E > In article <1115494589.406893.264590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, ) "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> writes:  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > F > >> But can you tell me how to write ISO 9660 onto a magnetic disk on > >> MacOS 7.5.5.  > > E > > I inferred from context that you must have been trying CDs, since  itG > > seems implausible to me that OS X won't mount HFS partitions from a  > > hard disk used with 7.5. > > E > > How exactly did you confirm this? (Depending on how you made your * > > tests, I may have to try this myself.) > D > I installed MacOS X (10.3) and tried to read existing disks on theD > machine.  It could not read normal HFS disk, although I presume it< > was able to read HFS+ disks, which 7.5.5 does not support.  G As borne out my my tests on external SCSI, OS X mounts HFS volumes (and G the Apple partition table as used by System 7), and always did. Can you B describe your specific problem in more detail? Was the SCSI driverE functioning? Could you see the device at all? Would Disk Utility look  at it? etc.    >  > > ...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 11:57:15 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas 3 Message-ID: <iG+5uZrgdK6c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3e9767F1qe7fU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: > I > I've been using iTerm with quite some success. One nice feature is that I > in numlock mode on a laptop, the keypad generates VT keypad sequences,  L > so EDT, DECNotes and TPU are useable (even if toggling numlock is a pain).  G   I've not tried this on a Mac laptop, but this is my number one issue  F   with IBM laptops:  you have to use shift-Numlock to get application G   keypad mode working, and while its on you can't access the underlying J   alphas.  My other Wintel laptops used Fn-key for each keypad-key stroke.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:09:13 +0200( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>1 Subject: RE: Parameters of system service $SETENV 3 Message-ID: <00b701c5545d$9f603020$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  G yes I did, but I did not found the documentation of this SystemService.    Best regards R. Wingert    -----Original Message-----C From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]  ! Sent: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2005 21:41  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 Subject: Re: Parameters of system service $SETENV   D In article <000201c550b4$54889620$994614ac@wat153>, "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  > Hello, > D > Does anybody know how to call the System Service SYS$SETENV. It isF > totally undocumented till OpenVMS 8.2. If you could give an example, it > would be helpfull. > ! > TIA and best regards R. Wingert   &    Have you tried the 8.2 online docs?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:51:22 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 1 Subject: Re: Parameters of system service $SETENV * Message-ID: <427F167A.2050207@bigpond.com>  $ Rudolf Wingert mentioned in passing: > Hello, > I > yes I did, but I did not found the documentation of this SystemService.  >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >  > -----Original Message-----E > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]  # > Sent: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2005 21:41  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > Subject: Re: Parameters of system service $SETENV  > F > In article <000201c550b4$54889620$994614ac@wat153>, "Rudolf Wingert" > <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:s >  >>Hello, >>D >>Does anybody know how to call the System Service SYS$SETENV. It isF >>totally undocumented till OpenVMS 8.2. If you could give an example, >  > it >  >>would be helpfull. >>! >>TIA and best regards R. Wingertc >  > ( >    Have you tried the 8.2 online docs? Rudolf,a  - A quick look at the source listing reveals...d  ; Currently UNSUPPORTED (since it is currently UNDOCUMENTED).p You need CMKRNL privilege.  You need $STENVDEF from STARLET. The parameter is an itemlist...   D   ItemList - A zero terminated item list.  Each item is of the form:  ?     63                           31                           0e?     +---------------------------------------------------------+q?     |      Buffer Length         |         Item Code          |x?     +---------------------------------------------------------+s?     |                    Buffer Address                       | ?     +---------------------------------------------------------+s?     |                Return Length Address                    |S?     +---------------------------------------------------------+:  9 Incorrect values will result in halts, bugchecks or otherV undesirable side effects.s    From $STENVDEF...  literal STENV$K_AUTO_ACTION = 1;)      valid is "BOOT", "HALT" or "RESTART"  literal STENV$K_BOOT_DEV = 2;n  literal STENV$K_BOOTDEF_DEV = 3; literal STENV$K_BOOTED_DEV = 4;  literal STENV$K_BOOT_FILE = 5;  literal STENV$K_BOOTED_FILE = 6;! literal STENV$K_BOOT_OSFLAGS = 7;a# literal STENV$K_BOOTED_OSFLAGS = 8;t literal STENV$K_BOOT_RESET = 9;-      valid is "ON" or "OFF"- literal STENV$K_DUMP_DEV = 10;" literal STENV$K_ENABLE_AUDIT = 11;      valid is "ON" or "OFF"  literal STENV$K_LICENSE = 12;3 literal STENV$K_CHAR_SET = 13;;      The CHAR_SET environment variable can only be set to 0@      (as per Alpha SRM)m literal STENV$K_LANGUAGE = 14;=      See console chapter of Alpha SRM for a list of supported       languages literal STENV$K_TTY_DEV = 15;  literal STENV$K_SYSROOT = 16;L literal STENV$K_BTFLAGS = 17;g literal STENV$K_FRU_EEROM = 18;h   Use at your own risk..   Regards, Dave -- oB David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:50:46 -05005; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s# Subject: Re: RMS Different Example. 3 Message-ID: <iYmoWKPF78mi@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  ^ In article <1115546082.526406.97030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, isp.cisco@gmail.com writes:	 > Hi ALL,p > @ >           Any body provide or let me know where i can find RMSH > practical example with sample database how to create and how used withF > various application Using COBOL program.Anybody tell me resource for) > that or good document or good practice.0  ?    The easiest way to use RMS from COBOL is to use the same I/O-A    facility built into COBOL that you would use on any platform. /'    On VMS COBOL's I/O package used RMS.i  G    What are you trying to achieve that isn't provided by native COBOL'sM    I/O facility?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:22:49 GMTw( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com># Subject: Re: RMS Different Example.o2 Message-ID: <dfLfe.5087$qO4.4256@news.cpqcorp.net>  & <isp.cisco@gmail.com> wrote in message< news:1115546082.526406.97030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...	 > Hi ALL,o >h@ >           Any body provide or let me know where i can find RMSH > practical example with sample database how to create and how used with* > various application Using COBOL program.  D As Bob wrote... just use the native Cobol access: OPEN, READ, WRITE, REWRITE, CLOSE.h  G Check the fine Cobol Usersguide first, then ask for details (if needed)2 later.  4 Just one minor direct comment towards your question:K Leave the 'create' out of the program. Please check out using FDL to create/ RMS (indexed) files.: Check out DCL command EDIT/FDL, CREATE/FDL and CONVERT/FDL( There are also callables like FDL$CREATE   Enjoy! Hein./   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:31:58 -0700  From: jordan@ccs4vms.comY Subject: Re: Updated VMS Information - please keep for future reference - ok for externaliC Message-ID: <1115649118.341233.169620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   B Thanks for posting that, Sue.  Its nice being able to keep updated right here.c   Rich CCSl   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 07:53:58 -0700o From: jordan@ccs4vms.com  Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 vlcC Message-ID: <1115650438.913769.215910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>y  D If you aren't certain about the VT420, you can use the MMJ cable andD connect from one terminal serial port to the other; that will verify0 the cable and both serial ports on the terminal.  C Set the terminal to have one session on each port (global settings, A S1=Comm1, S2=Comm2).  While in global settings also make sure thed terminal is on line.  E Use F4 to switch between them, enter setup in each, and make sure thehD serial ports are set to (transmit=9600, receive=transmit), 8 bits no$ parity, 1 stop bit, data leads only.  A Exit setup, go to session 1 (with F4), type something.  Switch to G session 2 (F4), and you should see what you typed.  Type something else G there, switch back to session 1, and you should see that something elseuF displayed.  You won't see what you're typing as you type it unless you0 have local echo enabled (not a default setting).   Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 08:43:24 -0700p' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com>n  Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 vlcC Message-ID: <1115653404.347247.260340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>a   jor...@ccs4vms.com wrote:tF > If you aren't certain about the VT420, you can use the MMJ cable andF > connect from one terminal serial port to the other; that will verify2 > the cable and both serial ports on the terminal. >bE > Set the terminal to have one session on each port (global settings,oC > S1=Comm1, S2=Comm2).  While in global settings also make sure the  > terminal is on line. >nG > Use F4 to switch between them, enter setup in each, and make sure thetF > serial ports are set to (transmit=9600, receive=transmit), 8 bits no& > parity, 1 stop bit, data leads only. > C > Exit setup, go to session 1 (with F4), type something.  Switch to D > session 2 (F4), and you should see what you typed.  Type something elseD > there, switch back to session 1, and you should see that something elseD > displayed.  You won't see what you're typing as you type it unless you 2 > have local echo enabled (not a default setting). >p > Rich    ? ISTR that the VY420 had a way to get a split screen for the twotG sessions so you could actually see what you were typing. Was it CTRL-F4e maybe?    -Doug   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:34:20 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)p* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?( Message-ID: <d5o3ec$84l$1@pcls4.std.com>  - "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:L  ? >> The SMTP client is required to deal with the issue.  As longrF >> as the first digit is correct, and the SMTP client is compliant, no >> protocol error can result.-  F >However, an RFC 2821 server will NEVER generate such a code, as it is >undefined.   J Wrong.  RFC 2821 does not state 'NEVER' (MUST NOT), but states SHOULD NOT.E As previously mentioned, a code such as 556 isn't truly undefined, ashE the client knows from the first digit what to do (and it MUST respond@E correctly to the first digit), and additionally knows from the secondu  digit it's a mail system status.  M >> You really need to quote some text to support your contentions.  Accordingo# >> to the RFC, you're zero for two.r  P >And you fail to understand the term "reserved for expansion and/or future use."  F You fail to understand the difference between MUST NOT and SHOULD NOT. -- a -Miken   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:00:00 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)o* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?( Message-ID: <d5o4ug$84l$2@pcls4.std.com>  - "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:   J >> Actually, 550, not 554, is designated for rejection for policy reasons.  O >In response to "MAIL FROM:" or "RCPT TO:", 550 is correct.  However, followinge  >"DATA", 554 is the code to use.  G RFC 2821 is somewhat ambiguous here.  It lists 550, not 554 as a policy H reason rejection code.  In the command line sequence portion they don't F list 550 as a possible response (probably because they didn't considerI policy rejection as a response to a DATA command - that is detecting spamyH or something), but do list it as possible response when discussing errorI responses to the DATA command.  That's the problem with interpreting manyFK RFCs, many things are ambiguous.  If coding a SMTP server which may reject aK a message based on some policy reason based on the message data, you might iE use a 554 response while I might use a 550 response.  That's why the o< clients must be broad in what they accept, both are correct. -- b -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:26:34 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam>n( Subject: Re: [OT]: Hubris & Payday at HP= Message-ID: <427f1ecd$0$78285$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>t   John Smith wrote::N > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/ArticN > le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1115502616410&call_pageid=968350072197&col=9690488638' > 51&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yesm >  > May 8, 2005. 08:29 AM- >  > Bad for business > M > Business schools could benefit from studying failures as well as successes.p > I > Columnist David Olive offers three shining examples: Molson, HP and AIGe >  >  > K > "It is not true that life is one damn thing after another - it's the samen > damn thing over and over"  >  >  > Edna St. Vincent Millay> > K > In my impressionable youth, a mentor told me that in business as in life,HJ > there is more to be learned from failure than success. The lesson stuck. > M > The grotesque strivings of a Garth Drabinsky, the towering hubris of a Paul>M > Reichmann, and the destructive delusions of an autocratic Henry Ford in his>J > later years have as much if not more to tell us about how business worksN > than the comparatively less dramatic triumphs of a Bill Gates or Sam Walton. > J > Given the preponderance of traditional B-school grads like Jeff SkillingD > (Harvard '76) at the helm of so many corporate shipwrecks, and theM > consistent malpractice reported each day in the business press over botched K > mergers, misguided forays into unfamiliar markets, poor math skills (moreNN > than a hundred major U.S. firms were forced to restate their financials lastG > year), and so on, the business leaders of tomorrow would benefit fromaK > detailed analysis of failure rather than the happy outcomes that B-schools > case studies focus on. > H > Ripped from today's headlines, the curriculum of the Reginald L. DufusG > School of Business Maladministration would devote itself to a year of K > post-graduate analysis of the bold, persistent incompetence in just three K > case histories - say, the pitfalls of growth by acquisition at the formeraG > Molson Inc.; the debilitating phenomenon of excessive CEO pay, taking-L > Hewlett-Packard Co. as a recent example; and the curse of "celebrity CEOs"I > hailed as geniuses until they aren't, as at the troubled U.S. insurance 0 > giant American International Group Inc. (AIG). > H > Molson, of course, was crippled by then-CEO Dan O'Neill's $1.2 billionK > purchase in 2002 of Brazil's second-largest brewery, which it soon turnedrG > into the third-ranked brewer. The fascination here is that Molson wasaL > repeating its earlier calamitous experience with acquisitions, when in theL > 1980s it strayed into everything from selling chandeliers and two-by-fours* > to running a janitorial services outfit. > M > So soon after recovering from that debacle Molson plunged into the unknown,aG > acquiring Sao Paulo brewer Cervejarias Kaiser SA with such shoddy duecB > diligence as to be caught unawares when the brewer's third-party. > distribution network promptly disintegrated. > K > Hobbled in Latin America, and distracted by that foray from the threat of-N > the "buck-a-beer" phenomenon at home, where pipsqueak rivals have eroded itsL > market share, Molson was so weakened it consented last year to a merger ofL > mediocrities - joining forces with the third-tier U.S. brewer Adolph CoorsM > Co. It was recently announced O'Neill would leave the combined Molson Coors2H > Brewing Co. at month's end; John Molson's 219-year-old legacy has been; > reduced to a branch plant taking orders from Golden, Col.i > H > The question for students: How does a company like Molson consistentlyL > flounder in one of the most lucrative markets in the world, a near-duopolyM > where retail beer prices are among the highest on Earth? Is there somethinghE > about easy money that spurs managers to throw it to the four winds?g > L > Scion Eric Molson was the chairman who presided over both abysmal chaptersL > in modern Molson history. What does that say about the crippling effect onG > our economy of Canada's proliferation of family controlled industrialhJ > icons - Bombardier Inc. being another notorious case - where there is no > genuine accountability?I > M > And what role was played by human nature? Why would O'Neill bet the moon infK > the southern hemisphere, effectively signing Molson's death warrant as aneE > independent company? Having performed well initially, but receiving J > insufficient acclaim for cleaning up Molson's balance sheet and boostingK > profits with plant closings, layoffs and other unglamorous moves, was the M > veteran of H.J. Heinz Co. and Campbell Soup Co. restless to earn the bigger E > paycheque that comes with running a bigger company, and reaping the.K > accolades from an unlikely triumph in faraway Sao Paulo? And what kind ofoM > board greenlights a strategy based on such cravenly ego-driven motivations?  > N > Hewlett-Packard, credited with creating the modern Silicon Valley, is latelyN > a riot of excessive pay abuses. In this case study, students would not focusI > so much on how HP lost market share in PCs and servers to Dell Inc. and.N > other rivals; bloated itself with the monster acquisition of Compaq ComputerF > Corp., itself a combination of three failing businesses (Compaq's PCN > operation, Digital Equipment Corp. and Tandem); and the unsuccessful attemptN > to buy the consulting business of PriceWaterhouseCoopers LLC for a heady $18L > billion (U.S.), a firm soon snapped up by IBM Corp. for a mere $3 billion. > F > All of this happened on the watch of Carly Fiorina, ousted as CEO inI > February after a relatively brief run in which chaos reigned and morale N > plummeted along with the share price. Because she was heralded as a "saviourJ > CEO," Fiorina was induced to join an HP then regarded by its board as inL > need of a glamour injection with a stupendous pay package, which is why onH > her departure "only" $21.4 million of her total go-away package of $42K > million is severance pay, the rest being a guaranteed payoff upfront whene > Fiorina was hired. > I > For good measure, Fiorina was paid a hefty bonus just months before the2I > board fired her. And as stupendous as her compensation was, it pales infL > contrast with the $3 million bonus paid to her interim replacement, formerI > CFO Robert Wayman, who earned a princely $57,692 per day for his 52-day L > caretaker stint until a permanent CEO was hired - the recruitment of whom,4 > by the way, was not Wayman's task but the board's. > J > The saviour CEO concept would have been discredited by now, you'd think,L > given the examples of Albert ("Chainsaw Al") Dunlap at Sunbeam Corp. and a' > dethroned Paul Tellier at Bombardier.i > M > But no. In search of yet another saviour CEO, HP's board latched on to MarknN > Hurd, 48, whose claim to fame as CEO of NCR Corp. is that he turned a modestI > loss into a modest profit during all two years of his tenure, running aeL > company 13 times smaller than HP, and bringing the firm's share price back > to where it was in ... 1991. > F > HP's board, still gullible to spin from headhunters and compensationJ > consultants that good CEOs are hard to find, was induced to offer Hurd aM > spectacular pay package of $29.8 million to join HP and endure the hardshipmN > of life in Palo Alto after a all-too-brief sojourn in dynamic Dayton. That'sL > a lot of inkjet cartridges. As usual, the attempt has been made to preventN > shareholders from suffering sticker shock by breaking up Hurd's compensationL > into multitudinous and often arcane payments. There's the staggering bonusJ > target of as much as $8.4 million, and a long-term incentive target thatM > tops out at $12.6 million - both extraordinarily high relative to the norm.  > D > There's the $2 million signing bonus, the $2.75 million relocationJ > assistance, the $6.6 million to make good on Hurd's NCR options. And, ofM > course, Hurd's legal bills for negotiating this astounding package are alsow > picked up by HP. > M > Hurd's lawyer earns his keep: Hurd's contract ensures that the new CEO willlM > be paid his first-year bonus come hell or high water on the assumption thattN > his 2005-06 goals have already been met; all Hurd must do is find his way to > the office from time to time.n > J > For students, the question is why a so-so CEO is deemed so valuable, andL > what is the effect of that spectacular pay on both rank-and-file morale atL > HP and among members of compensation committees elsewhere in North AmericaL > who feel additional pressure not to resist the ludicrous spiral in CEO payK > that has seen U.S. CEOs earn almost eight times more per dollar of profite > now than in the mid-1980s. > K > And at American International Group, students would immerse themselves in G > the culture of the "celebrity CEO" and its debilitating side effects.f > K > Over four decades, Maurice R. (Hank) Greenberg built AIG into the world'srN > largest insurer. He was pushed out of his own company weeks ago amid alleged > accounting improprieties.M > M > Celebrated as incomparably shrewd by every major U.S. business journal oversK > the past few decades, Greenberg was long forgiven for running the massivetH > AIG as a one-man show, even though he was never more than a hired handE > owning just a sliver of the equity. Greenberg's handpicked board ofeI > directors did not balk at peculiar transactions that finally caught theCL > attention of a less forgiving New York attorney general Eliot Spitzer last > year.  > N > Greenberg mocked Spitzer and AIG's regulatory tormentors, saying they lackedN > Greenberg's unique sophistication in grasping the nuances of AIG's business.G > Yes, well. Investigators in Spitzer's office are now telling the U.S.-I > financial media that AIG was "massaging" its earnings with questionable.N > offshore deals, some with non-arms-length parties, to deliver the consistent@ > results that made Greenberg a hero on Wall Street for so long. > N > Most important, AIG itself acknowledged last week that it overstated its netD > worth by at least $2.7 billion due to improper accounting methods. > N > Making it clear he regards the most respected figure in the global insuranceM > business as a top-hatted second-storey man, Spitzer has said AIG could faceoG > criminal charges for suspected fraud in the billions of dollars, at aSI > company "run with an iron fist by a CEO who did not tell the public theL	 > truth."a > F > Greenberg shot back at critics last Thursday, accusing the company'sL > directors of making "vile accusations" that are "impugning" his integrity. > G > The obvious question here is the merit of accepting at face value thetL > attributions of genius directed at CEO "legends" who appear to answer only	 > to God.t > M > The issue isn't avoiding failure, which is an intrinsic part of life and of M > business. "The fastest way to succeed is to double your failure rate," saidrD > Thomas J. Watson Sr., founder of the modern IBM and creator of itsH > remarkable punch-card monopoly. The Post-it Note and the microwave areC > examples of lab disappointments that became commercial successes.  > C > The point of studying failure, and making it a formal part of thesK > business-school curriculum, is that failure is better remembered than theyM > elements of success, being that setbacks are more dramatic and painful. Allm3 > the more wonder business doesn't learn from them.  > F > "Failure isn't a crime," said Walter Wriston of Citibank, one of theM > greatest bankers of the previous century. "Failure to learn from failure isc
 > the crime."u >  >  > -------------------- > M > I also hear through the grapevine that HP's failure to advertise OpenVMS ismJ > going to be the topic of discussion at at least one MBA school Marketing	 > course.e  H I wonder if the high compensation for HPs CEOs is a result of a lack of C candidates willing to take the position.  It is difficult to see a oI strategy taking HP computer business to renewed growth.  HP still do not  I know how to compete against Dell on the PC market, and in the future the oI Chinese are awaiting.  The larger systems are sailing on the Itanic ship -G in a see full of icebergs.  How are you to turn around a company where SF half the business has a questionable future, but that is difficult to  tell the investors?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 04:59:51 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>.( Subject: Re: [OT]: Hubris & Payday at HP, Message-ID: <427F2684.7AB866D7@teksavvy.com>   Karsten Nyblad wrote:wI > I wonder if the high compensation for HPs CEOs is a result of a lack ofu+ > candidates willing to take the position. e  H I agree. That was the case for Compaq to a point where they couldn't getH anyone to take the job and had to give it to the interim guy (Curly) was% was just the chief accountant before.v  > You have to give Curly some benefit: the guy timed his carreerH perfectly. he was lucky to get the Compaq job even though he was clearlyH not anywhere near the calibre needed, and then Worldcom's debacle openedH a door for him at the right time, since nobody in their right mind wouldH want to take that mess, so Curly's incompetance was not relevant (and we> now know that his only task at the place was to find a buyer).  G The feeling I get is that HP's board are not as well connected with thetE "Big CEO" network. In the case of Gerstner, he was contacted by a IBM-D board member, not some agency, and the board member was able to giveF Gerstner far more information to convince him to take on the challengeF and not let his initial refusals stop him from trying to convince him.  D Some talent agency probably doesn't have the clout to really do thatH job. They probably get an initial "no" and report this to the board as a "this is not a candidate".  F I don't wish this to reflect on Hurd, but the impression I get is that? Hurd's selection is a reflection of the level of competance andi connections the HP board have.  G Look at Compaq's board, It was made up of people like that Enron seniorsH guy instead of senior guys from new york banks who are well connected to the other high calibre CEOs.  E That is where the IBM board probably differs greatly from that of HP.dG IBM board members were well connected and were able to informally reach1M Gerstner and coax him into taking the job after some dinners, golf games etc.a    C The HP board probably aren't of a high enough calibre to be able toeE informally coax the right guy to take the job. From what I read, they < really went through some agency to get a list of candidates.  D It doesn't mean that Hurd won't be good, doesn't mean that he is not6 capable. But he isn't exactly a very high calibre guy.    E BTW, about the original article. What is interesting about Moslon andaF Coors and their merger is self imploding both. In the USA, on e brewryD now brags about being the last american owned major brewry, while inC canada molson is now seen as a USA based brewry. So both lost theirI= national identity. This was probably a transaction similar to H Carly/Curly. One design to distract the attention from the fact that theD leaderhsip is not competant to fix problems, so they decide to merge; with someone else which gives them 2 years of grace period.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.258 ************************