1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 10 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 259       Contents:% About the Mezei/nobody/John Doe Troll + Re: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ?? + Re: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ??  Re: Appletalk on Alphas  Re: Appletalk on Alphas 4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?( Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts, Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts, Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts, Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts, Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts, Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts Re: DECUS Fall Symposium 1968 8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)8 Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones) Re: naive hobbyist question 8 Re: new question on (Cyrillic) fonts with Mozilla on VMS8 Re: new question on (Cyrillic) fonts with Mozilla on VMS6 Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas1 Powerstorm graphics w/ VMS -- and OpenGL, anyone?  SEDT / JED EDT compatibility? ! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility? ! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2005 00:54:03 -00004 From: Paul Martin <mezei.is@canadas.embarassment.ca>. Subject: About the Mezei/nobody/John Doe Troll3 Message-ID: <0ZOHV9UJ38482.3708680556@reece.net.au>    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  @ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups.    (Rev. Jan. 23, 2005)   Written by:    Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CA    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and+ abuse@astraweb.com and abuse@teranews.com .   ! Also http://www.usenetabuse.com .   " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259  9 His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com and  jfmezei@vaxination.ca .   ) His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .   * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  work?   E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?   @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and C social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!   ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.   A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his A trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while F you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com& abuse@teranews.com, abuse@astraweb.com   also http://www.usenetabuse.com   7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.    TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev># Janice Staples <jstaples@noaol.com> ) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC). From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)4 Subject: Re: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ??. Message-ID: <d5ofvr$1j6$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes in article <d5nnkg$r5b$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk> dated Mon, 09 May 2005 14:12:48 +0100: >Got the following in my log6 >211.55.209.131 - - [29/Apr/2005:16:37:57 +0100] "GET . >http://umsky.com/sproxy.php HTTP/1.0" 404 3285 >220.170.88.36 - - [01/May/2005:03:26:44 +0100] "GET  ) >http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456 K >195.154.246.201 - - [01/May/2005:13:38:08 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1456 9 >82.53.153.215 - - [05/May/2005:15:18:34 +0100] "CONNECT  $ >207.46.133.140:21 HTTP/1.0" 405 3634 >61.159.46.68 - - [07/May/2005:00:30:46 +0100] "GET , >http://www.online.sh.cn/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456 > I >This is an external facing, but unused, unpublished, Apache server on a  I >non-default port, Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, PHP 4.3.2, mysql. When I  5 >try to construct a url like that from a browser (eg  J >"http://myserver/http://www.yahoo.com/", I get a leading '/' in the log,  >and a 404 error, as expected.  E Try telling your browser that "myserver" is its proxy, along with the 3 correct port number.  Then just use a normal URL.     @ >I'm concerned at the apparently successful relays to yahoo etc.I >Anyone know what they are, whether they're dangerous, how to stop them ?   K Having an open proxy isn't exactly a risk to you, but it may be bad for the I internet in general.  It could help somebody anonymize their web attacks.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:43:00 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)4 Subject: Re: Apache 2.0 - some kind of open relay ??2 Message-ID: <05050922430042_2860027B@antinode.org>  . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)   > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes in article <d5nnkg$r5b$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk> dated Mon, 09 May 2005 14:12:48 +0100: > >Got the following in my log > [...] 7 > >220.170.88.36 - - [01/May/2005:03:26:44 +0100] "GET  + > >http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.1" 200 1456  > [...] K > >This is an external facing, but unused, unpublished, Apache server on a  K > >non-default port, Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, PHP 4.3.2, mysql. When I  7 > >try to construct a url like that from a browser (eg  L > >"http://myserver/http://www.yahoo.com/", I get a leading '/' in the log,   > >and a 404 error, as expected. > G > Try telling your browser that "myserver" is its proxy, along with the 5 > correct port number.  Then just use a normal URL.     G    I've been wondering about these things for a while, but until now I  D noticed only the 400 failures in the log, not the 200 successes.  MyG CSWS ("based on Apache") is only "Apache/1.3.20 (OpenVMS) mod_ssl/2.8.4 < OpenSSL/0.9.6g", but I suspect that it's all pretty similar.  A    A direct request for the foreign page gets a "400 Bad Request" > response, while a proxy request gets the 200 success response.  ;    The successes in my log were also for requests like "GET G http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.1", "GET http://google.com/ HTTP/1.0", and F so on, and, interestingly, all had a transfer size of 965 bytes, whichE sounded much too small for the Yahoo main page (and unlikely even for C Google's).  Trying the suggestion from Mr. Lewis (setting the proxy B server in my browser), I found that any of these requests actuallyG returned my _own_ main page (which is considerably simpler than Yahoo's 
 or Google's).   E    Looking at my HTTPD.CONF file, I noticed that all the actual proxy D stuff was still commented out, so my guess would be that if no proxyE access is configured, the server ignores the host part of the request 6 (such as "www.yahoo.com"), and then proceeds normally.  F    Thus, the apparent successes appear not to be getting anything veryD valuable for the requesting person/program.  Even if we can't exportH much in goods or services to China, we can still provide an abundance of/ disappointment.  I'm proud to be doing my part.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 20:24:30 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas, Message-ID: <d5ogtu01lap@enews3.newsguy.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:H > > Take a look at building a Linux box as a print server.  Use CUPS andO > > Netatalk on it, and then reconfigure your cluster to send the print jobs to  > > the Linux box.  H > What protocol between the VMS boxes and the linux box ? Does this give( > the same functionlality as Appletalk ?  A You'd set VMS to print via LPR to a print queue on the Linux box.    		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 18:21:33 -0400 + From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu>   Subject: Re: Appletalk on Alphas+ Message-ID: <427fe26d@news-1.oit.umass.edu>   . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net> wrote:\ > In article <040520052217443232%nospam@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> writes:  G >> Note that Apple's own support for Appletalk is beginning to atrophy. E >> As of OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Appleshare via Appletalk is limited to the F >> discovery phase. Actual file transfer must be via TCP/IP. OS X 10.4J >> systems will no longer talk properly to Mac OS8.x solely via Appletalk.  F > From my perspective, OS X is not worth considering because from whatF > I can see it has no disk format in common with MacOS 7.5.5.   When IE > need to transfer data between networks, it sometimes is larger than G > will fit on a floppy.  Using a regular disk, MacOS X from what I have H > seen cannot handle regular HFS -- only a newer HFS variant that is notI > supported on MacOS 7.5.5.  No, I do not care to burn a coaster for each  > such incident.  F OS X can handle HFS disks just fine, it only needs HFS+ for disks thatH will be bootable with the OS on them.  UFS can also be used, but is onlyF recommended for use where needed such as for case sensitive filenames.   Joe Heimann    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 11:25:18 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? C Message-ID: <1115663118.210360.295960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    $ SET HOST nodename   0 is all you need ... proxy access in sysuaf takes2 care of the rest ... you can automate this process0 from one node to another using tasks ... this is/ simple and works like a charm, esp. with decnet  over ip ...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 11:29:45 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? C Message-ID: <1115663385.731277.237010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   . why?  proxy access works thru sysuaf just like1 password authentication, only on a user basis ... - if they can login on one node, then they have , access to all other nodes that you give them, proxy access too ... very simple and easy to0 maintain from one node thru the use of tasks .... DECNET, esp. decnet over ip is a very powerful tool ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:05:54 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 1 Message-ID: <96518A4F2wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   4 wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) wrote in' <964A88682wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>:    
 >Hi Folks, > @ >I've spent some time going through the Advanced Server (AS) andI >Pathworks (PW) documentation, but I don't seem to be getting the answers ? >I need.  I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me out.  > = >We have approx 20 OpenVMS boxes relevant to this issue; some H >stand-alone, some configured into clusters.  On some clusters/boxes, weF >have many (hundreds of) users that log in interactively.  But a givenG >user may need to log into different nodes, and we're looking for a way I >to do, essentially, UAF synchronization.  Due to application contraints, D >we need to ensure that a given user is in the same UIC group on all >nodes.  > F >On average, each user will have 8 accounts on separate boxes/clustersE >that need to be synchronized.  We currently have some (very old) DCL 7 >that helps, but it doesn't do the synchronization bit.  > A >I've been asked to either add new features to this bag of DCL to = >accomplish the synchronization, or come up with a different  D >authorization/synchronization technique.  AS/Pathworks was my firstG >guess, but the parts I've read all center around the notion of Domains D >and Domain Controllers.  Around here, we're using Active Directory,I >which brings me to my first question.  If AS/PW works with Domains, does ! >that imply it will work with AD?  > F >Ideally, I'd like to install something on the OpenVMS boxes that saysI >"Use AD to authorize certain users".  I see the EXTAUTH flag in the UAF, E >which leads to my next question:  If EXTAUTH is asserted for a given E >user, where is the UIC for process creation taken from?  Can it come F >from the external authorization engine, or is it taken from the UAF? I >This is probably the most crutial question, since UIC synchronization is = >high on the list of manadatory requirements for this effort.  > I >LDAP would be my second guess, and I would sure appreciate hearing from  H >anyone that has this running well.  I'd re-ask the same question about = >UIC's though - does it come from the LDAP server of the UAF?  > I >So if anyone has some wisdom they would share on this topic, I would be   >grateful indeed!  >  >Tia,  >  >ws     I Thanks for all the replies folks - much appreciated.  Aside from delving  J into Kerberos, it doesn't look there's a way to centralize the management / of UICs across multiple, non-clustered boxes.     E I'm surprised Hoff hasn't chimed in on this one - is he still around?   ! Thanks again folks, all the best!    ws   --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ) - My other computer is YOUR Windows box -    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:37:54 -04004 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? + Message-ID: <3e9p06F1vktsU1@individual.net>    Warren Spencer wrote:  >...C > Proxy access would allow a given user access to data files, but I C > don't think he could log into the box, could he?  And in my case, E > he's gotta log in to instantiate the custom application he needs to ' > run.  File access alone isn't enough.  > ! > Or am I missing something here?  >  > ws    > What Bob is talking about is have the user log into NODE1 withD username/password then on NODE2, NODE3...NODEX do this (assuming the username is WARREN);  ) $ MCR SYSMAN ALF ADD NODE1::WARREN WARREN 7 $ MCR AUTHORIZE MODIFY WARREN/FLAGS=AUTLOGIN/NOPASSWORD   E I have seen that used when a user spends 99% of his time on NODE1 but D has one simple application to run on NODE2 from time to time. It canF also be handy when the remote node is a LAT device or a device runningH an IP stack that only certain people can get to and multiple people have to use.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 11:53:49 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? B Message-ID: <1115664828.995524.52010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  < all you need to use is decnet tasks to automate the process!@ You can either do it batch or interactively user by user as they; are added or changed ... you can update sysuaf or any other 5 database on any node doig this ... then that user can    $ SET HOST nodename   A in with ir without password on any box and work interactively ...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 12:44:41 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? B Message-ID: <1115667881.818605.18480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  : BINGO!  And it owrks either on a traditional decnet lan or: decnet over ip, which means no limits ... and using either3 tasks, copys across nodes, or actually using an app 7 (i.e. DIBOL) you can update across the nodes easily ...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 12:38:09 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? C Message-ID: <1115667489.212452.306290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   F another way to maintain it is just by creating a database and updating= the other nodes with a decnet copy or by actually opening the > file in update (RMS) mode across nodes with any app ... I openC RMS indexed files directly across nodes with DIBOL all the time ... @ or you can actually have an app or task on that node maintain itA in sysuaf, or maintain sysuaf across nodes ... there are multiple ! ways on decnet to this easily ...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 12:54:26 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? B Message-ID: <1115668466.923994.73420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  % "I just would be hesitant to have any 9 user accounts that didn't require a password for login. "   $ You dare doubt OpenVMS security!  :)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 15:51:15 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? 3 Message-ID: <RzK2diNGtAyN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <1115663385.731277.237010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: 0 > why?  proxy access works thru sysuaf just like3 > password authentication, only on a user basis ... / > if they can login on one node, then they have . > access to all other nodes that you give them. > proxy access too ... very simple and easy to2 > maintain from one node thru the use of tasks ...0 > DECNET, esp. decnet over ip is a very powerful
 > tool ...  6    Be very carefull about spoofing when using proxies.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 16:41:26 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? B Message-ID: <1115682086.401206.43600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  A spoofing!  You are forgetting that proxy account may be a captive 4 account or any other kind of box I put you in ... :)  9 and spoofing can be defeated easily with a combination of ; packet filtering and ssl encryption plus the added features 7 of vms account security and I don't think you would get < very far!  That is why even on local lans I would run decnet over ip for added security ...   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 13:04:11 -0700 , From: "DerekB" <derek.boczenowski@gmail.com>1 Subject: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts C Message-ID: <1115669051.352288.105160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Good afternoon!   E I'm trying to set up security so that after 3 tries, a user is locked = out of the VMS account (or disusered, in MC Authorize terms).   D I've set the LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1, which should take care of this (IB think, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). My real question is,D would there be a way to unlock the account after a certain amount ofD time has elapsed? For example, on a windows box we can set a lockoutD after 3 incorrect passwords, but it will unlock itself automatically9 after 30 minutes. Is there any way to do this in VMS 7.3?    Thanks!  -Derek   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 15:31:36 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts 3 Message-ID: <vEWpyDGSGHdi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1115669051.352288.105160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "DerekB" <derek.boczenowski@gmail.com> writes: > Good afternoon!  > G > I'm trying to set up security so that after 3 tries, a user is locked ? > out of the VMS account (or disusered, in MC Authorize terms).  > F > I've set the LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1, which should take care of this (ID > think, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). My real question is,F > would there be a way to unlock the account after a certain amount ofF > time has elapsed? For example, on a windows box we can set a lockoutF > after 3 incorrect passwords, but it will unlock itself automatically; > after 30 minutes. Is there any way to do this in VMS 7.3?   9 If you don't want it permanent, set LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 0.   F The timeout before the temporary breakin evasion expires is controlled" by others of the LGI_* parameters.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 13:45:51 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts C Message-ID: <1115671551.525417.310820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   
 DerekB wrote:u > Good afternoon!J > G > I'm trying to set up security so that after 3 tries, a user is locked-? > out of the VMS account (or disusered, in MC Authorize terms).t > F > I've set the LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1, which should take care of this (ID > think, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). My real question is,F > would there be a way to unlock the account after a certain amount ofF > time has elapsed? For example, on a windows box we can set a lockoutF > after 3 incorrect passwords, but it will unlock itself automatically; > after 30 minutes. Is there any way to do this in VMS 7.3?r >o	 > Thanks!o > -Derek    F See the VMS Manual "Guide to System Security" and look in the Table of@ Contents for Detecting Intruders and Understanding the Intrusion	 Database.a  F You'll find that you already had what you want, so set LGI_BRK_DISUSERD back to zero. Other LGI parameters control how long a user is lockedD out for and many other things (VMS uses a more complicated algorithmC than a simple fixed timeout). You can also look in the System Mgmt.eD Utilities Manual appendix for the descriptions of the LGI parametersE (acutally there is a table in the aforementioned security manual thateG describes these). They give you a LOT of control over the process. NotetG that you may need to set LGI_BRK_TERM to 0 to log failures by user nameS/ only in order to get effective breakin evasion.   G Be sure to add your new non-default parameter settings to MODPARAMS.DATc" so that AUTOGEN doesn't lose them!   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:57:43 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)M5 Subject: Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accountsa( Message-ID: <d5ois7$a1l$1@pcls4.std.com>  . "DerekB" <derek.boczenowski@gmail.com> writes:  F >I'm trying to set up security so that after 3 tries, a user is locked> >out of the VMS account (or disusered, in MC Authorize terms).  E >I've set the LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1, which should take care of this (IyC >think, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). My real question is, E >would there be a way to unlock the account after a certain amount ofJE >time has elapsed? For example, on a windows box we can set a lockoutaE >after 3 incorrect passwords, but it will unlock itself automaticallys: >after 30 minutes. Is there any way to do this in VMS 7.3?  F I would set things up so that login breakin evasion is triggered after@ 3 failures, and breakin evasion lasts 30 minutes or whatever the@ desired time is.  These are set by other LGI parameters such as D LGI_BRK_LIM.  This has the advantage that the intruder is flagged asC such even if they make exactly one attempt at several accounts.  (ItD frequently see such attempts from the internet, trying accounts such as 'root' or 'administrator'). --   -Mike    ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 15:54:13 -0500r; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accounts43 Message-ID: <agEqCnnI7BgO@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  r In article <1115669051.352288.105160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "DerekB" <derek.boczenowski@gmail.com> writes: > Good afternoon!a > G > I'm trying to set up security so that after 3 tries, a user is locked ? > out of the VMS account (or disusered, in MC Authorize terms).h > F > I've set the LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1, which should take care of this (ID > think, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). My real question is,F > would there be a way to unlock the account after a certain amount ofF > time has elapsed? For example, on a windows box we can set a lockoutF > after 3 incorrect passwords, but it will unlock itself automatically; > after 30 minutes. Is there any way to do this in VMS 7.3?  > B    The default action is to go into breakin evasion after N failedD    login attempts for X minutes.  The username can't be used even if!    the correct password is given.n  F    You can adjust N and X and that gives you exactly the affect you're1    looking for.  See the System Manager's manual.?  E    The alternative requires manual intervention to unlock the account ,    and is mean to be the manual alternative.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:58:17 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>'5 Subject: Re: Can VMS have a timed lockout of accountsR, Message-ID: <427FDCF1.90B05F16@teksavvy.com>  
 DerekB wrote: F > I've set the LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1, which should take care of this (I  E This is dangerous and can lead to total denial of service requiring a.C reboot of all yor provileged usersnames are disusered and you can'tu0 reset anything to regain access to your machine.   Parameters in use: ActiveoP Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit  DynamicP --------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ----  -------H LGI_BRK_TERM                    0          1         0         1 Boolean    DH LGI_BRK_DISUSER                 0          0         0         1 Boolean    DH LGI_PWD_TMO                    30         30         0       255 Seconds    DH LGI_RETRY_LIM                   3          3         0       255 Tries      DH LGI_RETRY_TMO                  30         20         0       255 Seconds    D@ LGI_BRK_LIM                     3          5         1       255 Failures   DH LGI_BRK_TMO                    60        300         0   5184000 Seconds    DH LGI_HID_TIM                   600        300         01261440000 Seconds    D  / You can do MC SYSGEN SHOW/LGI to get the above.n  R SYSGEN> HELP SYS LGI_xxxxxxxx  gives you move information on the above parameters.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 May 2005 12:09:38 -0700 $ From: hduman@legacyglucosesensor.org& Subject: Re: DECUS Fall Symposium 1968C Message-ID: <1115665778.127453.301320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>i  B THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll actually be near there at the end of the month!   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:59:16 +0000 (UTC). From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)c. Message-ID: <d5ofek$1j6$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes in article <427F08D9.6DC4BB8C@teksavvy.com> dated Mon, 09 May 2005 02:53:29 -0400:o; >For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists....y >pG >LICENSE should have the ability to list all licences that are about tot >expire within X time.  " $ licence lis * /term/before=1-nov= %DCL-W-NOVALU, value not allowed - remove value specificationa
  \BEFORE=\  9 Hmmmmm.... the VERB output reveals an alternative syntax:   " $ licence lis * /before/term=1-nov   which works!  D >Hobbyists have to update all their licenses once a year and this is >extremely time consuming :-)    $ set def sys$common:[sysexe]c $ rename lmf$license.ldb;* .oldk $ license create $ @new_license_email.com  H Shouldn't take long if you remember to do it before they expire.  If youL forget, you need to manually type in the ones for OPENVMS and UCX (or TCPIP)& before any network transfer will work.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:44:37 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)a$ Message-ID: <d5oi3l$6n0$2@online.de>  5 In article <427F08D9.6DC4BB8C@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: g  < > For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists.... > H > LICENSE should have the ability to list all licences that are about to > expire within X time.a > J > LICENSE should have the ability to licence/replace so that when you haveI > a hobbyist licence that is about to expire, you can replace it with thehF > new licence sent to you by the kind folks at the hobbyist programme. > G > (it is a pain to have to individually licence/delete old licences andp' > then add the new ones and load them).i  B Of course, you can add the new license before the old one expires.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:45:43 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: License facility improvement request (expiring ones)r$ Message-ID: <d5oi5n$6n0$3@online.de>  3 In article <Zq+7KkRMED4G@eisner.encompasserve.org>,o0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   \ > In article <427F2D9B.2070205@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:" > > JF Mezei was overheard to say:? > >> For the benefit of the highly profitable VAX hobbyists....  > 6 > I don't see how VAX hobbyists are profitable for HP.   $ SET TONGUE/IN=CHEEKv   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 20:08:30 -0500h2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: naive hobbyist question+ Message-ID: <4280098E.799477E2@comcast.net>t   Bill Pechter wrote:  > [snip]; > I thought hostsync was default for set terminal /vt100...    It's not in V7.2-2...a   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/y   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:43:05 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: new question on (Cyrillic) fonts with Mozilla on VMSt$ Message-ID: <d5oi0p$6n0$1@online.de>  5 In article <427E9A3C.60446FB0@texsavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@texsavvy.com> writes:    = > It is far more disruptive to have had a VAX version that isiH > significantly different from Alpha from the customer's point of view.   H I'm not so sure.  As a hobbyist, I'm running 7.3 VAX with all patches.  B I suspect, however, that many VAXes, mainly those owned by paying H customers, are running "legacy" apps, where stability is more important  than new features.  I > Now that both X and Motif are open source, and since HP no longer sellso > VAX-VMS, o  : Really?  Do you mean the operating system or the hardware?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:03:23 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: new question on (Cyrillic) fonts with Mozilla on VMSi, Message-ID: <427FDE23.79C974DC@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:.K > > Now that both X and Motif are open source, and since HP no longer sellse > > VAX-VMS, > < > Really?  Do you mean the operating system or the hardware?  C Since HP no longer sells VAX machines, isn't it expected that it nohH longer sells new VAX-VMS licenses ? They are not even sure of 8.2 on vax+ will be produced as was originall promised.   A By the way, I was thinking about you yesterday but couldn't replyfC because I had all my clothes on :-) Have you thought of getting thetJ decwindows-russian kits ? Wouldn't they include plenty of cyrillic fonts ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:18:36 +0200d& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>? Subject: Re: OS X support for HFS, was: Re: Appletalk on Alphas.+ Message-ID: <3e9rcdF1vielU1@individual.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:  V > In article <3e9767F1qe7fU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: > I >>I've been using iTerm with quite some success. One nice feature is that I >>in numlock mode on a laptop, the keypad generates VT keypad sequences, oL >>so EDT, DECNotes and TPU are useable (even if toggling numlock is a pain). >  > I >   I've not tried this on a Mac laptop, but this is my number one issue oH >   with IBM laptops:  you have to use shift-Numlock to get application I >   keypad mode working, and while its on you can't access the underlyinguL >   alphas.  My other Wintel laptops used Fn-key for each keypad-key stroke. > B That is also true using iTerm on my iBook. Replying to a DECnotes J article using TPU as my editor for example, once I've entered REPLY, it's:  $ numlock        ! alternate keypad on typewriter 6   ! goldo typewriter 7   ! KP 7a numlock        ! alt KP off." other          ! issue TPU command numlockn select (keyboard .)w
 arrow keys( cut (kb 6)     ! grab some text to quote  
 and so on.  C tedious indeed, but still better than even dreaming of using telneto from a Windows box.<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:00:45 -0500d3 From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith@stu.parkland.edu>a: Subject: Powerstorm graphics w/ VMS -- and OpenGL, anyone?8 Message-ID: <1115694045.2e7c55fccsmith@stu.parkland.edu>  
 Hey everyone.    Two questions:  L How is support for Powerstorm graphics (aka Intergraph intense3d realizm, o=J r something like that) under vms?  If that's hopeless, what is my best op=J tion for a decent (pci) graphics setup?  Also, anyone know whether/how op= engl is available?   Chrisn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 03:06:24 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)& Subject: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?6 Message-ID: <00A4385B.0A0276F0@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   I I have need to edit a few files on a BSD system.  I don't know _vi_, etc,sH and have considerable fluency only with EDT and EVE.  So I'm looking forJ something on BSD that'll support EDT keys.  I seem to recall that JED does this, and that SEDT does this.  I The system manager has kindly installed SEDT, but when I try to start it o2 there's a complaint about the absence of defm.edt   K JED starts up okay, but it doesn't seem to understand EDT keys and I don't a know how to make it do that.  L Any advice?  (I really don't want to have to learn enough, eg, emacs to make it use EDT keys.)a   Thanks,    -- Alan@   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 20:29:26 -0700<( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?/ Message-ID: <BEA578A6.DA57%roktsci@comcast.net>>  G On 5/9/05 8:06 PM, in article 00A4385B.0A0276F0@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU,>H "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:   > VMSers --a > K > I have need to edit a few files on a BSD system.  I don't know _vi_, etc,@J > and have considerable fluency only with EDT and EVE.  So I'm looking forL > something on BSD that'll support EDT keys.  I seem to recall that JED does  > this, and that SEDT does this. > J > The system manager has kindly installed SEDT, but when I try to start it3 > there's a complaint about the absence of defm.edtc > L > JED starts up okay, but it doesn't seem to understand EDT keys and I don't > know how to make it do that. > N > Any advice?  (I really don't want to have to learn enough, eg, emacs to make > it use EDT keys.)e > 	 > Thanks,m > 	 > -- Alann >  > # Just one of many sites with nu/TPU:aL http://www.sector7.com/OPENVMS%20MIGRATION/Third%20Party%20Tools/nuTPU/nutpu .htm  8 With nu/TPU which is a TPU for UNIX, you can use the VMS@ eve$section.tpu$section which has the EDT keypad embeeded in it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 04:05:56 GMT:L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?6 Message-ID: <00A43863.5B569845@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  Z In article <BEA578A6.DA57%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:H >On 5/9/05 8:06 PM, in article 00A4385B.0A0276F0@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU,I >"Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>G >wrote:t >/ >> VMSers -- >> /L >> I have need to edit a few files on a BSD system.  I don't know _vi_, etc,K >> and have considerable fluency only with EDT and EVE.  So I'm looking for2M >> something on BSD that'll support EDT keys.  I seem to recall that JED does0! >> this, and that SEDT does this.  >> 1K >> The system manager has kindly installed SEDT, but when I try to start ite4 >> there's a complaint about the absence of defm.edt >> 2M >> JED starts up okay, but it doesn't seem to understand EDT keys and I don'tr >> know how to make it do that.w >> hO >> Any advice?  (I really don't want to have to learn enough, eg, emacs to make  >> it use EDT keys.) >> m
 >> Thanks, >> r
 >> -- Alan >> h >> o$ >Just one of many sites with nu/TPU:M >http://www.sector7.com/OPENVMS%20MIGRATION/Third%20Party%20Tools/nuTPU/nutpu. >.htmn >n9 >With nu/TPU which is a TPU for UNIX, you can use the VMSeA >eve$section.tpu$section which has the EDT keypad embeeded in it.y >   K Oops, sorry, neglected to mention that there is no money available for thisaC project whatsoever.  That's why I was looking at free alternatives.v   -- Alany   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.259 ************************