1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 261       Contents:6 anybody out there using LISTSERV web interface on VMS? Re: BLISS macro puzzle+ Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1 + Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1  Re: Clusterwide QUEMGR file  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this? ? Re: EDT keypad on emacs, was: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?  Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO? LSE$_UNEXEOF error in LSE during compile with /ANALYSIS flag... 8 Re: new question on (Cyrillic) fonts with Mozilla on VMS2 NEW!!! FREE IPOD SITE THAT LETS YOU REFER YOURSELF Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4 5 Re: Powerstorm graphics w/ VMS -- and OpenGL, anyone? ! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 03:10:38 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)? Subject: anybody out there using LISTSERV web interface on VMS? 6 Message-ID: <00A43924.CBD07C65@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   E I find the generic instructions in the site maintainer's guide really 
 confusing.  M The manual (at www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8e/sitemgr/sitemgr.html#_Toc90173199 ) E says I should define  WWW_ARCHIVE_CGI and WWW_ARCHIVE_DIR in the site O configuration file, SITE_CONFIG.DAT.  LISTSERV_CONFIGURE doesn't have an option O to define that, and if I add it manually, the next time LISTSERV_CONFIGURE sees A the file, it says that those are bad parameters and deletes them.   E %LSVCONFIG-W-BADKEYW, bad parameter keyword "www_archive_cgi" deleted E %LSVCONFIG-W-BADKEYW, bad parameter keyword "www_archive_dir" deleted   D Maybe I don't need these becuase of the system defined logical namesJ pointing to the same thing, and it's just a documentation error that they  seem to be required.    = When I try to run WA.EXE as a CGI, I get the following error.   1 <h1>Error - template LISTSERV-HOME not found</h1> G A configuration error was detected in the CGI script; the LISTSERV-HOME  template could not be found.  M I guessed that I needed to copy the *.WWWTPL files to the Archives directory, J and that got me a nice form.  Now when I try to login, it goes through theO login dialogue, but it keeps telling me the password I give it is invalid, even - if I go through the change-password dialogue.    Does this thing actually work?  I Where should I be looking to find out why my LISTSERV login doesn't work?    Thanks,    -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2005 16:14:02 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: BLISS macro puzzle 3 Message-ID: <PF90swUffCyO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <pY5ge.5162$DN5.1363@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  >  > I'm not sure I follow. > $ > You want your macro to accept both >  > m(VALUE = X) >  > and  >  > m(VALUE = .X)  >  > ???  > I >  From a purely syntatic point of view, I don't think you can distinush  	 > between  > 
 > LOCAL X; >  > m(VALUE = X) >  > and  >  > BIND >      X = .Y; >  > m(VALUE = X)  F    Yeah, I got stuck there, too.  I just thought maybe I'd missed some8    feature of some lexical function I hadn't used a lot.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)4 Subject: Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1. Message-ID: <d5qu45$ql2$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  } mb301@hotmail.com writes in article <1115734614.572047.253950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> dated 10 May 2005 07:16:54 -0700: H >Does anyone have example cgi-bin DCL procedure they could post on here.H >I basicaly want to pass a couple of parameters to another DCL procedure >via Apache. > 1 >http://servername/cgi-bin/test.cgi?p1=123&p2=abc  > F >The following symbol is set APACHE$DCL_CMD but it doesn't contain the* >parameters, just the name name of script. >  >@dir:[fred]do_stuff 'p1' 'p2'  5 Do you have APACHE$COMMON:[CGI-BIN]TEST-CGI-VMS.COM ?   J If that's not enough, I have some OSU-style code that I wrote, including aJ nice utility to copy POST data to DCL symbols.  I coded it for GET too (asL in your example) but don't recall if I ever used it since migrating from OSUJ to Apache.  I also have some Apache-style DCL stuff on my hobbyist system.' Drop me a line if you want any of this.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:23:44 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)4 Subject: Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-16 Message-ID: <00A438FC.B779D651@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ] In article <1115734614.572047.253950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, mb301@hotmail.com writes: H >Does anyone have example cgi-bin DCL procedure they could post on here.H >I basicaly want to pass a couple of parameters to another DCL procedure >via Apache. > 1 >http://servername/cgi-bin/test.cgi?p1=123&p2=abc  > F >The following symbol is set APACHE$DCL_CMD but it doesn't contain the* >parameters, just the name name of script. >  >@dir:[fred]do_stuff 'p1' 'p2'   >PS:% >and I don't want to buy this book... V >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1555581919/102-6845318-2721749?v=glance  I You'll find your parameters in QUERY_STRING, or, for less hassle on CSWS, K QUERY_STRING_UNESCAPED.  Here's a quote from chapter 14 of that pesky book.   J ========================================================================== QUERY_STRING (All)  N If there was a query string in the URL - a question mark followed by some textN - this variable gets the stuff after the question mark.  This is how variablesF are passed in a GET requesst.  The values are URL-escaped, with blanks converted to %20.    QUERY_STRING_UNESCAPED (CSWS)   O The query-string with URL-escaping reversed, so %20 is converted back to blank. O Field-delimiting ampersands are escaped in this string with a backslash, so you 9 can split the string into name=value pairs based on "\&". J ==========================================================================  1 That should be enough of a clue to get you going.   G This works for GET; if you want info via POST, you assign SYS$INPUT to  # APACHE$INPUT and just read from it.      -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:24:30 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: Clusterwide QUEMGR file+ Message-ID: <42815ECE.11847BB6@comcast.net>    peut@peut.org wrote: > G > Also, the queuemanager will look first in sys$system: for the various C > queuemanager database files, even if you have defined logicals to 3 > point to your new clusterwide queuemanager files.   H Can anyone verify that? That's news to me (20+ years with VMS), and runsE counter to the documentation. Check it out on the "old" queue manager  (prior to V5.5) as well.  B > Make sure the files in sys$system are renamed to something else.  F I usually do that until I'm satisfied the new configuration is working+ as expected, before I delete the old files.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2005 17:53:06 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3ecao2F2cjt3U1@individual.net>   3 In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:\ > In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >> Jake Hamby wrote: >>   >>>  VMS is weird also,  >>  4 >> Well, there went any credibility with some folks. > F >    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second >    language. >   4 As another interesting aside to this discussion.....  ? If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for > natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferation? of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:59:47 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?) Message-ID: <gE6ge.1336$rt1.938@fe04.lga>    Bob Koehler wrote:F >    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second >    language.  G Well, at least you gave up that silly "the VMS commands are intuitive"   angle.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:08:54 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050510120742.0260bd80@raptor.psccos.com>   - At 11:53 AM 5/10/2005, Bill Gunshannon wrote: 4 >In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>,G >         koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: A > > In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble   > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > >> Jake Hamby wrote: > >> > >>>  VMS is weird also,  > >>6 > >> Well, there went any credibility with some folks. > > H > >    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second > >    language. > >  > 5 >As another interesting aside to this discussion.....  > @ >If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for? >natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferation @ >of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.  K What, you mean like "FUBIS" or "FOOBAR" in military jargon?  Does that mean L English isn't natural to speak, either?  You're confusing laziness (the main7 reason for jargon like that) with "not natural to use".    ------  L +-------------------------------+------------------------------------------+L | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                          |L | Principal Engineer            |  "Few things are harder to put up with   |L | Process Software              |   than the annoyance of a good example." |L | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Mark Twain         |L +-------------------------------+------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:58:28 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <118210ptgg60510@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  >>Jake Hamby wrote:  >> >> >>> VMS is weird also, >>3 >>Well, there went any credibility with some folks.  >> >  >  > Mother Duck Syndrome > 6 > Any OS other than the one you started with is weird. >  > bill >  I didn't start witn VMS.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2005 18:58:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3eceitF2cb98U1@individual.net>   A In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050510120742.0260bd80@raptor.psccos.com>, ( 	Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:/ > At 11:53 AM 5/10/2005, Bill Gunshannon wrote: 5 >>In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, H >>         koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:B >> > In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble   >> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >> >> Jake Hamby wrote:  >> >>  >> >>>  VMS is weird also, >> >> 7 >> >> Well, there went any credibility with some folks.  >> >I >> >    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second  >> >    language.  >> > >>6 >>As another interesting aside to this discussion..... >>A >>If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for @ >>natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferationA >>of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.  > M > What, you mean like "FUBIS" or "FOOBAR" in military jargon?  Does that mean + > English isn't natural to speak, either?     H No, I specifically stated that for at least som subset of computer users speaking english is natural.  N >                                          You're confusing laziness (the main9 > reason for jargon like that) with "not natural to use".   F I hardly think that with the amount of time and effort some people putE into IM that laziness has anything to do with it.  I would suspect it C has much more to do with getting more efficiency out of the medium.   C Which, of course, brings us right back to why Unix uses the command  set it does.  :-)   D And if VMS wasn't equally concerned with this efficiency, they wouldD not allow all command to be shortened to the smallest unique part of the command.  G Once again, it comes down to defaults at opposite ends of the spectrum. = Neither is right, neither is wrong.  They are only different.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:59:37 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <118212vbokhq756@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > \ >>In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >> >>>Jake Hamby wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>> VMS is weird also,  >>> 4 >>>Well, there went any credibility with some folks. >>F >>   DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second >>   language. >> >  > 6 > As another interesting aside to this discussion..... > A > If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for @ > natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferationA > of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.  >  > bill >   ) I can't explain it, and I don't use them.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2005 19:11:04 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3ecfa7F2cpe3U1@individual.net>   0 In article <118210ptgg60510@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, - >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>   >>>Jake Hamby wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>> VMS is weird also,  >>> 4 >>>Well, there went any credibility with some folks. >>>  >>   >>   >> Mother Duck Syndrome  >>  7 >> Any OS other than the one you started with is weird.  >>   >> bill  >>   > I didn't start witn VMS. >   B And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I worked with:M    UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.)     IBM 1401        (same thing)     IBM 360/40      DOS/EL    IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is                    fading)    UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8    Prime 50 Series Primos     LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal    PDP-11          RT-11  , After my first exposure to Unix you can add:   VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11.   G OK, so it's not so much like MDS as much as religion.  Once one latches E onto an OS they tend to become fanatic about it.  Except for a few OS G Agnostics like me.  I can't say that I dislike any of the above, but my H favorite and the one I feel most comfortable working with is still Unix,G in it's many different flavors. (I actually enjoyed the time I spent on  DOS/E and Exec8.)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:49:45 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <RKydnalio47zgxzfRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ? >> In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble   >> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>> Jake Hamby wrote:  >>>  >>>>  VMS is weird also, >>> 5 >>> Well, there went any credibility with some folks.  >>G >>    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second  >>    language.  >> > 6 > As another interesting aside to this discussion..... > A > If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for @ > natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferationA > of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.     @ I'd half chalk them up to 110 baud and Teco but these things (orG predecessors) go back a long way....to the early days of Morse code and L Western Union and their high charges for telegraph service, and even earlier. than that for military and commercial cyphers.     >  > bill   --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2005 16:07:40 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?3 Message-ID: <fvlov3VWL6Dt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3ecao2F2cjt3U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > A > If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for @ > natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferationA > of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.   &    Cnt kp my pc up ln nf to tp fl wds.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2005 16:11:26 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?3 Message-ID: <yXdbyH3zxZFh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3ecfa7F2cpe3U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > D > And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I > worked with:O >    UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.) ! >    IBM 1401        (same thing)  >    IBM 360/40      DOS/EN >    IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is >                    fading) >    UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8 >    Prime 50 Series Primos   >    LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal >    PDP-11          RT-11 > . > After my first exposure to Unix you can add: >   VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11.  >   F    Compared to most of what you'ld seen prior to UNIX, UNIX is a greatE    improvement in user interface.  Then VMS came along and bested it.   +    I'd use UNIX, too, if I didn't have VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2005 23:39:44 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3ecv1vF2eipjU1@individual.net>   3 In article <yXdbyH3zxZFh@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <3ecfa7F2cpe3U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  E >> And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I  >> worked with: P >>    UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.)" >>    IBM 1401        (same thing) >>    IBM 360/40      DOS/E O >>    IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is  >>                    fading)  >>    UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8  >>    Prime 50 Series Primos! >>    LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal  >>    PDP-11          RT-11  >>  / >> After my first exposure to Unix you can add:  >>   VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11. >>   > H >    Compared to most of what you'ld seen prior to UNIX, UNIX is a greatG >    improvement in user interface.  Then VMS came along and bested it.    How?  D UCSD-Pascal is Menu driven and all the menu items are english words.  D Primos is mostly english words.  COPY, DELETE, MESSAGE, SORT, STATUSE The only one even vaguely odd is LD for List Directory (But they were D not the only one as a matter of fact, there were probably more OSes A that used some form of List command to get directories than not.)   % RT-11 is pretty much the same as VMS.   F Exec8 was mostly batch oriented but when you did work interactively itC was thru CTS (Conversational Time Sharing) which was BASIC like and  completely english.      > - >    I'd use UNIX, too, if I didn't have VMS.    Sure looks like religion to me.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2005 23:44:49 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3ecvbhF2eipjU2@individual.net>   , In article <RKydnalio47zgxzfRVn-hQ@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:6 >> In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@ >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:@ >>> In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble! >>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>> Jake Hamby wrote: >>>> >>>>>  VMS is weird also,  >>>>6 >>>> Well, there went any credibility with some folks. >>> H >>>    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second >>>    language. >>>  >>7 >> As another interesting aside to this discussion.....  >>B >> If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least forA >> natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferation B >> of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc. >  > B > I'd half chalk them up to 110 baud and Teco but these things (or  D I have been doing this stuff since the 110 baud days (I used to haveC my own ProtaCOM-110.  And I used to have a Silent 700 as well.) and @ I still don't use them.  While some of it started with Email and, certainly USENET it didn't blossom until IM.  I > predecessors) go back a long way....to the early days of Morse code and N > Western Union and their high charges for telegraph service, and even earlier0 > than that for military and commercial cyphers.  E Cyphers?  I think you mean Q and Z Signals which were never cyphers.  ? Just precedural symbols.  Their intent in that use was more for H clarity than brevity. (In my previous life, I was a military telegrapher< and later Teletype Operator.  I've led a very diverse life!)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:38:07 -0700 - From: Jake Hamby <jhamby IS AT pobox DOT com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?8 Message-ID: <u9k2811l3s1vn92jv068l0tavboiovu0pb@4ax.com>  8 On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:59:47 -0700, Z <Z@no.spam> wrote:   >Bob Koehler wrote: G >>    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second  >>    language.  > H >Well, at least you gave up that silly "the VMS commands are intuitive"  >angle.   F Nothing is inherently intuitive where OS interfaces are concerned, butF it is nice if you can reuse your knowledge of other OS's when learningD a new one.  This is what I meant by VMS being "weird" but less weirdF than OS/400.  I started with the Amiga and moved to DOS and Linux, andB in all three cases, directories are separated with "/" (or "\" forF DOS), so VMS "disk:[dir.subdir]file.ext;1" names *are* weird at first,@ in the sense of being different from what I was used to, but the> underlying concept is not "weird", just expressed differently.  D Even if English is not your native language, VMS still would seem toD have a slight advantage over UNIX in the sense that option flags are@ more consistently used across commands.  Also, you don't have toA remember a bunch of single-character case-sensitive option flags, @ which are quick to type, but have little else to recommend them,# regardless of your native language.    -Jake    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:04:03 -0700 - From: Jake Hamby <jhamby IS AT pobox DOT com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?8 Message-ID: <81l281hipunkd54jqpeu4fs0up00so5ldg@4ax.com>  A On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:31:00 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  wrote:  I >We look at Itanic's less than stellar performance both in sales/adoption * >rate and outright performance and cringe.  B I'm a bit surprised that people seem to be expecting a totally newB architecture to immediately be competitive with x86.  Perhaps it'sC Intel and HP's fault for overhyping the platform, combined with the ? general impatience and short-sightedness of the industry, but I B wouldn't expect Itanium to be competitive *until* 2006 or 2007 andD then I would expect its performance to gradually surpass what can be@ done with x86-64, particularly for floating-point (where x86 has9 always been weak) and in 16-CPU and above configurations.   D As for sales/adoption rate, I just read about SGI's new Prism systemF which is their new super-high-performance Linux workstation for OpenGLE applications.  Now that SGI has abandoned MIPS and gone the PC route, D why is Prism (as well as their Altix mid-range servers) based aroundE Itanium 2 instead of Opteron?  Is SGI simply delusional, having drunk F the Itanic kool-aid?  Or is it possible that SGI couldn't have built aD comparable system that could scale up to 256 CPU's (in the "extreme"C US$200,000+ configuration) using x86 technology?  This is a company C that, despite its numerous business mistakes over the years, *does* = know how to build high-end massively SMP 64-bit UNIX systems.   K >Porting VMS to a less than ideal architecture has already been done in the M >case of Itanic. What's the big deal in porting it to another less than ideal L >architecture (x86-64) if it will permit VMS to be more widely sold and usedK >and ensure its survival? In the .edu space, free campus licenses of VMS on   E "What's the big deal" is a rather casual remark to make;  I'm sure it D cost millions of $$$ to do the Itanium port, so why should HP embarkF on another porting project that would likely cost even more (given the@ architectural weaknesses of x86-64 such as too few registers andD cumbersome 4-level page table mapping), and be even more complicatedA for ISV's to port their Alpha apps to?  This isn't something like D Linux where you can just recompile and then throw the code out thereD and let your users be beta-testers -- this is a product that costs aD huge sum of money for HP to support, and each port to a new platformC represents a huge and ongoing expense in terms of long-term support 6 and maintenance commitments to their paying customers.  K >The more people in business, government, and academia see the strengths of K >VMS, the more they will give their heads a shake and wonder what were they L >thinking before. It won't cause Microsoft to lose any sleep, but it will upL >VMS sales to the point where we, the VMS community, will not go to bed eachK >night wondering whether our collective billions of dollars invested in VMS M >infrastructure and applications are at risk tomorrw from an EOL announcement  >of VMS from HP.  E This may be true, but I don't think x86-64 is a feasible solution for E a commercial vendor and a "mission-critical" OS.  I actually think it C was a mistake for Sun to port Solaris to x86-64 because most people > are just going to run Linux on their dual-Xeons and then stealD whatever code they want (like DTrace) from OpenSolaris and Sun won't make any money from the deal.    -Jake    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:54:56 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <11830ep1r40rdea@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <118210ptgg60510@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>3 >>>In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, - >>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>>>Jake Hamby wrote:  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>VMS is weird also,  >>>>5 >>>>Well, there went any credibility with some folks.  >>>> >>>  >>>  >>>Mother Duck Syndrome  >>> 7 >>>Any OS other than the one you started with is weird.  >>>  >>>bill  >>>  >> >>I didn't start witn VMS. >> >  > D > And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I > worked with:O >    UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.) ! >    IBM 1401        (same thing)  >    IBM 360/40      DOS/EN >    IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is >                    fading) >    UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8 >    Prime 50 Series Primos   >    LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal >    PDP-11          RT-11 > . > After my first exposure to Unix you can add: >   VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11.  > I > OK, so it's not so much like MDS as much as religion.  Once one latches G > onto an OS they tend to become fanatic about it.  Except for a few OS I > Agnostics like me.  I can't say that I dislike any of the above, but my J > favorite and the one I feel most comfortable working with is still Unix,I > in it's many different flavors. (I actually enjoyed the time I spent on  > DOS/E and Exec8.)  >  > bill >   ; The point is, I think that VMS is pretty robust, scalable,  B understandable, and much more.  Ok, some of the above is possibly I personal preference, but others are absolutes.  Robust is something that  E not much else >>that I've seen<< can match.  The number of languages  @ supported by VMS, talking from 1978 to 2005 since some may have D disappeared, is impressive.  Compare that to Unix which may support , other languages but is very centered on 'C'.  F When someone says that VMS is wierd, I don't agree, and anything else G that person says will be viewed by me at the same level I view his/her   view of VMS.  B Note that my perception of what someone says may have no basis in & reality, but it's still my perception.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:00:46 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <11830pn6asvudac@corp.supernews.com>   Jake Hamby wrote: : > On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:59:47 -0700, Z <Z@no.spam> wrote: >  >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>G >>>   DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second  >>>   language.  >>I >>Well, at least you gave up that silly "the VMS commands are intuitive"   >>angle. >  > H > Nothing is inherently intuitive where OS interfaces are concerned, butH > it is nice if you can reuse your knowledge of other OS's when learningF > a new one.  This is what I meant by VMS being "weird" but less weirdH > than OS/400.  I started with the Amiga and moved to DOS and Linux, andD > in all three cases, directories are separated with "/" (or "\" forH > DOS), so VMS "disk:[dir.subdir]file.ext;1" names *are* weird at first,B > in the sense of being different from what I was used to, but the@ > underlying concept is not "weird", just expressed differently.  = I'd suggest that the VMS style preceeded the other mentioned sI environments, with the exception of Unix, but the same style was used in hI prior DEC operating systems which do preceed Unix.  It's the 'new' stuff   that's different and 'weird'.,  F > Even if English is not your native language, VMS still would seem toF > have a slight advantage over UNIX in the sense that option flags areB > more consistently used across commands.  Also, you don't have toC > remember a bunch of single-character case-sensitive option flags,nB > which are quick to type, but have little else to recommend them,% > regardless of your native language.  >  > -Jake-  + Much effort has gone into such consistancy.-   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  154860   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:09:48 -0400n' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <11831al8flbf3ec@corp.supernews.com>   Jake Hamby wrote:lC > On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:31:00 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t > wrote: >  > J >>We look at Itanic's less than stellar performance both in sales/adoption+ >>rate and outright performance and cringe.N >  > D > I'm a bit surprised that people seem to be expecting a totally new6 > architecture to immediately be competitive with x86.  G What's your definition of 'new'?  The itanic pig has been around since iG the mid 1990s, even though it took Intel way too long to get the first dE pig off the ground, and then just far enough to show how poor it was.o   >  Perhaps it's E > Intel and HP's fault for overhyping the platform, combined with thefA > general impatience and short-sightedness of the industry, but I1D > wouldn't expect Itanium to be competitive *until* 2006 or 2007 andF > then I would expect its performance to gradually surpass what can beB > done with x86-64, particularly for floating-point (where x86 has; > always been weak) and in 16-CPU and above configurations.  > F > As for sales/adoption rate, I just read about SGI's new Prism systemH > which is their new super-high-performance Linux workstation for OpenGLG > applications.  Now that SGI has abandoned MIPS and gone the PC route,sF > why is Prism (as well as their Altix mid-range servers) based aroundG > Itanium 2 instead of Opteron?  Is SGI simply delusional, having drunkvH > the Itanic kool-aid?  Or is it possible that SGI couldn't have built aF > comparable system that could scale up to 256 CPU's (in the "extreme"E > US$200,000+ configuration) using x86 technology?  This is a companyoE > that, despite its numerous business mistakes over the years, *does*U? > know how to build high-end massively SMP 64-bit UNIX systems.   H SGI didn't have the Opteron choice when they were 'sold' on the itanic. B   Yes, they've done a great job, with what they had to work with. 7 Wonder how much better they would do with a decent CPU?e  L >>Porting VMS to a less than ideal architecture has already been done in theN >>case of Itanic. What's the big deal in porting it to another less than idealM >>architecture (x86-64) if it will permit VMS to be more widely sold and usedjL >>and ensure its survival? In the .edu space, free campus licenses of VMS on >  > G > "What's the big deal" is a rather casual remark to make;  I'm sure it5F > cost millions of $$$ to do the Itanium port, so why should HP embarkH > on another porting project that would likely cost even more (given theB > architectural weaknesses of x86-64 such as too few registers andF > cumbersome 4-level page table mapping), and be even more complicatedC > for ISV's to port their Alpha apps to?  This isn't something likenF > Linux where you can just recompile and then throw the code out thereF > and let your users be beta-testers -- this is a product that costs aF > huge sum of money for HP to support, and each port to a new platformE > represents a huge and ongoing expense in terms of long-term supportT8 > and maintenance commitments to their paying customers.  G I for one hope it never becomes a 'port or die' issue.  There are some  H that see potential futures where the itanic doesn't exist.  If everyone E else eventually dumps itanic, Intel could decide to cut their losses.t  L >>The more people in business, government, and academia see the strengths ofL >>VMS, the more they will give their heads a shake and wonder what were theyM >>thinking before. It won't cause Microsoft to lose any sleep, but it will upcM >>VMS sales to the point where we, the VMS community, will not go to bed each<L >>night wondering whether our collective billions of dollars invested in VMSN >>infrastructure and applications are at risk tomorrw from an EOL announcement >>of VMS from HP.  >  > G > This may be true, but I don't think x86-64 is a feasible solution foreG > a commercial vendor and a "mission-critical" OS.  I actually think ittE > was a mistake for Sun to port Solaris to x86-64 because most peoplen@ > are just going to run Linux on their dual-Xeons and then stealF > whatever code they want (like DTrace) from OpenSolaris and Sun won't > make any money from the deal.7 >  > -Jakee     -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road= Vanderbilt, PA  15486=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:51:54 GMTa% From: no spam sir <nospam@nospam.com> H Subject: Re: EDT keypad on emacs, was: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?8 Message-ID: <6o33819etp68iru7t1jqd0g9cskl47qkhp@4ax.com>  * Actually, I tried out  ipswitch VT320W....  F EDT works great - even using Windows XP and going thru a router to VNC etc....   1 Now, if you'd like more info (or a demo version?) F Or EDt etc (which I doubt, cause your TPU is far more complicated than my EDT !!!)v  
 just email    j1076366 AT hotmail DOT com         On 10 May 2005 07:21:25 -0500,C clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:    >In article <00A4385B.0A0276F0@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) writes: >> -O >> Any advice?  (I really don't want to have to learn enough, eg, emacs to makee >> it use EDT keys.) >> e > I >To use EDT keypad mode in a emacs session, you need to do the following:t >t? >1) Add the following lines (tweak as required) to your .emacs:k >r >(tpu-edt-mode)  > ! >(tpu-set-scroll-margins "6" "6")s >i, >(global-set-key "\C-u" 'universal-argument) >n >(setq require-final-newline t)n >rA >(define-key GOLD-CSI-map "C" 'tpu-pan-right)		; GOLD-right arrowt? >(define-key GOLD-CSI-map "D" 'tpu-pan-left)		; GOLD-left arrowh >o >(menu-bar-mode 0) >iK >2) If you are using X Windows instead of a serial or remote terminal, thenmJ >you will need to use a script to create a suitable xterm with the correctG >key mappings (and has the PF1 through PF4 keys on the numeric keypad).  >h2 >The one that I use is a modified version of this: >i > #!/bin/shH0 > #Subject: Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!9 > #Message-ID: <8m4uph$a44$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>/1 > #From: "Geoff Kingsmill" <gkingsmill@yahoo.com>3' > #Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:56:10 +0930a& > #Organization: Compaq Computer Corp. > #eM > #The following script will run xterm and remap various keyboards (includingGO > #SUN) to mappings that emulate a DEC keyboard. This should appear on the nexte > #Freeware CDROM. >U  >Direct link to original script: >K] >http://groups.google.no/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=8m4uph%24a44%241%40mailint03.im.hou.compaq.comi > M >Be aware that you may need to tweak some of the keyboard definitions as wellnH >as add in BSD support. For example, I had to reverse the left-arrow and/ >right-arrow definitions when running on Linux.o >.J >3) If you are using X Windows then you will need to startup emacs in textJ >mode instead of GUI mode. I have an "alias eve='emacs -nw'" in my .bashrc
 >for this. >  >Simon.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:01:35 -0400o( From: "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> Subject: Letters to the new CEOL0 Message-ID: <iYCdnRuDqaboxBzfRVn-tQ@comcast.com>  J Awhile back there was a thread about a pro-VMS letter writing campaign to K Mr. Hurd.  Has anyone written?  Has anyone gotten any replies they care to n share? a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:53:34 -0500-, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net># Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO 0 Message-ID: <G5GdnXS52-k3-BzfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>  F I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site at:  ;     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html.     Dave...l  4 "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> wrote in message * news:iYCdnRuDqaboxBzfRVn-tQ@comcast.com...L > Awhile back there was a thread about a pro-VMS letter writing campaign to M > Mr. Hurd.  Has anyone written?  Has anyone gotten any replies they care to 4 > share? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:56:39 GMTr& From: "Mark Sun" <marksun@genetek.com>H Subject: LSE$_UNEXEOF error in LSE during compile with /ANALYSIS flag...- Message-ID: <bLcge.104941$3V3.52151@edtnps89>p  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C55589.AB419690> Content-Type: text/plain;> 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    Hi!   H Recently I am getting an unusual error compiling a Pascal program from =% within the Language Sensitive Editor:d  > Starting compilation: PASCAL /ANALYSIS/DIAGNOSTIC/DEBUG/NOOP =* SYS$SYSDEVICE:[EW.MAIN]SEISMAIN.PAS;2391 =6 /DIAGNOSTICS=3DSYS$SYSDEVICE:[EW.OBJECT1]SEISMAIN.DIA;  E Compilation of buffer SEISMAIN.PAS completed with severe error statuso" Encountered unexpected End of File;     occurred in record: 3 in internal diagnostics module: 1e" Encountered unexpected End of File=     occurred in record: 3 in internal diagnostics module: 1 =  (LSE$_UNEXEOF)G unexpected internal error in lse_review_buffer  at line 7041.  Please =-
 submit an SPR'    G This error is intermittent, and can disappear by adjusting irrelevant =iJ bits of code.  I think it is related to the creation of an .ANA analysis =I file, as when I compile the program outside of LSE at the DCL $ command =tB interface, it compiles fine unless the /ANA qualifier is included.  > $ pascal/diag/debug/noopt [ew.main]main          (successful = compilation)+ $ pascal/diag/debug/noopt/ana [ew.main]main & Compaq Pascal Fatal Error has occurred? %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=3D00, virtual =i address=3D0000000001FD* E000, PC=3D0000000000470DD0, PS=3D0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followspI   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs =y PC(  PASCAL  GEM_TD  GEM_TD_SET_ARRAY_BOUNDS@                                          9356 0000000000005160 = 0000000000470DD0)  PASCAL  DBG_DRIVER  DBG_SET_ARRAY_BOUNDSt@                                          4125 0000000000002F00 = 000000000050CB30-  PASCAL  DBG_DRIVER  DBG_CREATE_CONFORMANT_TDF@                                          2603 00000000000019A8 = 000000000050B5D8/  PASCAL  DBG_DRIVER  DBG_CREATE_TYPE_DEFINITIONa@                                          3643 000000000000277C = 000000000050C3AC@  PASCAL  DBG_DRIVER  DBG_PROCESS_BLOCK   1318 00000000000006C0 = 000000000050A2F0@  PASCAL  DBG_DRIVER  DBG_PROCESS_BLOCK   1528 0000000000000A20 = 000000000050A650@  PASCAL  DBG_DRIVER  DBG_DRIVER          1059 0000000000000480 = 000000000050A0B0@  PASCAL  PASCAL  GEM_XX_COMPILE          1549 000000000000076C = 00000000004FE36C@  PASCAL  GEM_CP_VMS  GEM_CP_MAIN         2529 00000000000015A8 = 0000000000266048@                                             0 FFFFFFFF80261E94 = FFFFFFFF80261E94  9 I am running VMS7.3-2 on a DS15, Pascal V5.8-88, LSE V4.7M  B Thanks in advance for any insight into what is causing this error.   Mark+ ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C55589.AB419690e Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableg  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =o charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2627" name=3DGENERATOR>F <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>1 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi!</FONT></DIV> 4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Recently I am&nbsp;getting an unusual = error=20@ compiling a Pascal program from within the Language Sensitive=20 Editor:</FONT></DIV>< <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>) <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>hH <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Starting compilation: PASCAL=20J /ANALYSIS/DIAGNOSTIC/DEBUG/NOOP SYS$SYSDEVICE:[EW.MAIN]SEISMAIN.PAS;2391 =  C /DIAGNOSTICS=3DSYS$SYSDEVICE:[EW.OBJECT1]SEISMAIN.DIA;</FONT></DIV>i4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>@ <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Compilation of buffer = SEISMAIN.PAS=20lF completed with severe error status<BR>Encountered unexpected End of=20J File<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; occurred in record: 3 in internal diagnostics =
 module:=20H 1<BR>Encountered unexpected End of File<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; occurred = in=20nJ record: 3 in internal diagnostics module: 1 (LSE$_UNEXEOF)<BR>unexpected =  F internal error in lse_review_buffer&nbsp; at line 7041.&nbsp; Please = submit an=20 SPR</FONT></DIV>+ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>>+ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eJ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>This error is intermittent, and can disappear by = adjusting=20I irrelevant bits of code.&nbsp; I think it is related to the creation of =i
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 command=20; interface, it compiles fine unless the /ANA qualifier is=20<# included.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>D< <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>E <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>$ pascal/diag/debug/noopt=20nE [ew.main]main&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  (successful=20? compilation)</FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><BR>$=20rH pascal/diag/debug/noopt/ana [ew.main]main<BR>Compaq Pascal Fatal Error = has=20C occurred<BR>%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=3D00, =p
 virtual=209 address=3D0000000001FD<BR>E000, PC=3D0000000000470DD0,=20 : PS=3D0000001B<BR>%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump = follows<BR>&nbsp;=203 image&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; module&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=202J routine&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=	 &nbsp;=20 ) line&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; rel=20rE PC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; abs=20 ( PC<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; GEM_TD&nbsp;=20J GEM_TD_SET_ARRAY_BOUNDS<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=J ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20.> 9356 0000000000005160 0000000000470DD0<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; = DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;=20>J DBG_SET_ARRAY_BOUNDS<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=J nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=J bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=0 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20> 4125 0000000000002F00 000000000050CB30<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; = DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;=20oJ DBG_CREATE_CONFORMANT_TD<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=J sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=4 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20> 2603 00000000000019A8 000000000050B5D8<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; = DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;=20iJ DBG_CREATE_TYPE_DEFINITION<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=J nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=J bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=6 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20> 3643 000000000000277C 000000000050C3AC<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; = DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;=20s6 DBG_PROCESS_BLOCK&nbsp;&nbsp; 1318 00000000000006C0=20: 000000000050A2F0<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;=206 DBG_PROCESS_BLOCK&nbsp;&nbsp; 1528 0000000000000A20=20: 000000000050A650<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;=20H DBG_DRIVER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1059=20G 0000000000000480 000000000050A0B0<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; PASCAL&nbsp;=205F GEM_XX_COMPILE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 1549=20oJ 000000000000076C 00000000004FE36C<BR>&nbsp;PASCAL&nbsp; GEM_CP_VMS&nbsp; =  C GEM_CP_MAIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2529=20i 00000000000015A8=20eJ 0000000000266048<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=J ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=J &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=> nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20C 0 FFFFFFFF80261E94 FFFFFFFF80261E94<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20o size=3D2></FONT></DIV>! <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nJ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am running VMS7.3-2 on a DS15, Pascal V5.8-88, = LSE=20 V4.7</FONT></DIV>a+ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>lH <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks in advance for any insight into what is =
 causing=20 this error.</FONT></DIV>+ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eD <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Mark</FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C55589.AB419690--o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:07:27 -0400e From: squayle@insight.rr.comA Subject: Re: new question on (Cyrillic) fonts with Mozilla on VMS 7 Message-ID: <3a250339b603.39b6033a2503@columbus.rr.com>s  * On 10 May 2005 at 7:36, Bob Koehler wrote:C >    Since folks are buying and selling VAXen and emulators, and HPrF >    controls the right to transfer licenses, HP should be making some. >    small amount of money from those systems.  
 Check out:  @   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/sri-charon-vax-emulator.html  A HP gets $2k for every Windows-based CHARON-VAX.  It gets $1k for  ! every Alpha/VMS-based CHARON-VAX.   @ And some clients *do* buy more VAX licenses.  I just sold a VAX / license for UCX to a big military contractor...o  
 --Stan Quaylea Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363d3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAe0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2005 11:32:50 -0700% From: "sam" <electronics8000@aol.com>t; Subject: NEW!!! FREE IPOD SITE THAT LETS YOU REFER YOURSELF C Message-ID: <1115749970.392935.262280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>3  " http://www.freetechshop.com/?r=935    B great new site similar to freeipods.com but you can actually REFER YOURSELF!!!n  B The ability to refer yourself is awesome and you won't need to begC people to sign up under your link! This quite possibly could be thef BEST free site on the net!  E prizes include LAPTOPS, PSP, CAMCORDERS/PORTABLE DVD PLAYER/IPODS ETCoG PLUS IF THEY DONT HAVE THE GIFT YOU WANT YOU CAN CUSTOM ORDER AND THEYLe: TELL YOU HOW MANY REFERRALS YOU NEED TO COMPLETE FOR IT!!!  - U CAN LITERALY GET WHAT U WANT WITHIN DAYS!!!-   THEY SHIP INTERNATIONALLY!!   E Currently theres also an offer which doesnt require any details its adF search engine all u have to do 50 searches for 10 days and you receiveE 1 credit which means you have completed 1 offer. If you search for 20cA days you get 2 credits and so on... Plus you make 1$ everyday youi search.   " http://www.freetechshop.com/?r=935   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2005 17:13:17 -0700' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4C Message-ID: <1115770397.863177.234190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>n   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:= > I ended up getting 10.4 a lot sooner than I intended to ...p > E > On the Mac specific side, Mail.app is still to underpowered for me.   G There's always Thunderbird, which I used to use when I was dealing with>< huge archives of mail. Now, I just use Mail.app with no real difficulties (.3, .4).  ( > ...I think I may actually come to like9 > Dashboard (up until today I thought it sounded stupid).a  G It can seem toy-ish at first sight (like Aqua itself, for many of us, I C suppose), but I can also see it being very handy. I already use the < world clock; it beats my previous solution (web bookmarks toG http://www.timeanddate.com/ !) More configurability would be nice; manyr of the presets are too limited.n   --Toby   >  > 		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:29:09 -0500t3 From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith@stu.parkland.edu>s> Subject: Re: Powerstorm graphics w/ VMS -- and OpenGL, anyone?7 Message-ID: <1115760549.fb1925ccsmith@stu.parkland.edu>   % More specific this time.  Sorry guys.e  L What I'm looking for is support for the 4d-40t/50t/60t  (s.b. model BGGI-AA=4  or similar) on an Alphastation 600 5/266 (I think).   Chris   * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>   What hardware platform?e  L Not all of the "Powerstorm" cards were done for VMS (Powerstorm was a rando= ma	 marketingyF name that included a bunch of different architectures). The Powerstorm 300/350 is supportedI (it is an OEM E&S card). The current card is the ATI Radeon 7500. Both of: these cards areoE supported out-of-the-box, but require an Open3D license for OpenGL tod operate. There are' older cards as well, such as the ZLX-P.w  K But to tell you what card will work, ad what you need - you need to give usr the type of platform9 (for instance DS10, or XP1000) and the version of the OS.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:08:18 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?6 Message-ID: <00A438FA.8F90CDE3@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  q In article <DmjRBNlFN8$R@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:s >In article <00A4385B.0A0276F0@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) writes: >> VMSers -- >> oL >> I have need to edit a few files on a BSD system.  I don't know _vi_, etc,K >> and have considerable fluency only with EDT and EVE.  So I'm looking foroM >> something on BSD that'll support EDT keys.  I seem to recall that JED doesn! >> this, and that SEDT does this.l > . >   Got a VMS system you can copy the file to? >rG >   I've used ed (another EDT clone, not the UNIX ed), and you have thedH >   same problem.  All of those EDT clones need some kind of file to mapD >   to the usually-non-VT keyboard.  So you get to hunt the 'net forE >   someone else's predefined mappings or spend some time working outh
 >   your own.a >ZA >   Another solution is to learn just enough emacs to get the EDTiI >   emulator up and running.  If your BSD system understands the terminali$ >   you're using, emacs should, too. >e  I My general plan is to sit in a DECterm on a VMS system, then SSH into thenL Unix system.  I want to run something on the Unix system that will work withL my nice VT100-200-300 DECterm in text mode over SSH, and let me use the sameI actual keys that work with EVE/EDT on the VMS system for the same things.    -- Alan-  -   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.261 ************************