1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 262       Contents:+ Re: Accessing Oracle 9i via C, C++, Fortran + Re: Accessing Oracle 9i via C, C++, Fortran + Re: Accessing Oracle 9i via C, C++, Fortran : Re: anybody out there using LISTSERV web interface on VMS?+ Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1 + Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1 + Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1 4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF?4 Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? Re: Clusterwide QUEMGR file  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  DECterm oddity (mangled output)  KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4  OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming 5 Re: Powerstorm graphics w/ VMS -- and OpenGL, anyone? ! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility? A Send us your requirements and get a free Island Computers T-Shirt 3 Slow screen update with cobol generated executables 7 Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executables 2 Re: suggestion for TCPIP: TCPIP$SMTP_PERSONAL_NAME Tomcat 5.x on VMS?4 Re: Update on VMS artwork (Vernon the shark mascott)$ Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP$ Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP$ Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP$ Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP$ Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP$ Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP Re: VAXen need PWDMIX   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:50:55 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk4 Subject: Re: Accessing Oracle 9i via C, C++, Fortran) Message-ID: <d5t2jv$puc$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   r In article <_U3ge.52950$Z14.43836@news.indigo.ie>, "Andoni" <no_spam_please@andoni-at-ireland-dot-com.com> writes: >Hello All,  > K >I am trying to find some sample code for accessing an Oracle Database in C E >or Fortran from OpenVMS. I have found that this should be done using I >Oracle's Pro*C Pro*Fortran libraries but the Oracle documentation is all  >very advanced.  > I >Would anybody out there have a basic Oracle accessing program written in M >something other than Java? If I get something like this working I would have  >a great starting point. >    If you download   ( ftp://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/vms/orac-cgi.zip  L you'll find the source and a command file to compile a simple Oracle Proc C 1 program working as a CGI under the OSU webserver.   ? This is for Oracle8i but I doubt much has changed for Oracle9i. M Since it's a CGI there are a few extras which you don't need for a standalone G program such as linking against scriptlib and cgilib (and of course the , references to web forms in the source code).   But hopefully it should help.   - The code can be seen running by using the URL   / http://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/htbin~david20/orac-cgi     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >Thanks in advance,  >  >Andoni. >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 07:19:00 -0700" From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk4 Subject: Re: Accessing Oracle 9i via C, C++, FortranC Message-ID: <1115821140.104303.311420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 Andoni wrote:  > Hello All, > G > I am trying to find some sample code for accessing an Oracle Database  in CF > or Fortran from OpenVMS. I have found that this should be done usingF > Oracle's Pro*C Pro*Fortran libraries but the Oracle documentation is all  > very advanced.  F There was (and presumably still is) a library package called OCI. WhenA I started with Oracle I found this much easier to understand than @ Pro*C, and with lots of examples in the manual. It also has someG features not supported by Pro*C and should be faster. Sadly, my present  employer insists I use Pro*C.    Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:48:34 -0600 + From: John Nebel <john.nebel_vms@csdco.com> 4 Subject: Re: Accessing Oracle 9i via C, C++, Fortran( Message-ID: <42821B42.3080907@csdco.com>  G One can use the OCI and standard VMS calls from C, Fortran, and likely  
 any language.   F Call ociinitialize, ocienvinit, ocihandelalloc, ocilogon as required. G The following snippet from a running program follows those calls. Stm0   is an Oracle statement.     C          iret=ocistmtprepare(%val(stmhpp),%val(errhpp),%ref(stm0),: +          1 %val(len(stm0)),%val(1),%val(0)) 0          if(debug.gt.0) print 8000,'pre0  ',iret          if(iret.ne.0) then 4          iret=ocierrorget(%val(errhpp),%val(1),,ier,)          1 %ref(errtxt),%val(70),%val(2)) $          print 8001,ier,errtxt(1:70)          endif  >          iret=ocidefinebypos(%val(stmhpp),cnthpp,%val(errhpp),:          1 %val(1),%ref(count),%val(4),%val(3),,,,%val(0))0          if(debug.gt.0) print 8000,'bnd0  ',iret          if(iret.ne.0) then 4          iret=ocierrorget(%val(errhpp),%val(1),,ier,)          1 %ref(errtxt),%val(70),%val(2)) $          print 8001,ier,errtxt(1:70)          endif  D          iret=ocistmtexecute(%val(ctxhpp),%val(stmhpp),%val(errhpp),%          1 %val(1),%val(0),,,%val(0)) 0          if(debug.gt.0) print 8000,'exe0  ',iret          if(iret.ne.0) then 4          iret=ocierrorget(%val(errhpp),%val(1),,ier,)          1 %ref(errtxt),%val(70),%val(2)) $          print 8001,ier,errtxt(1:70)          endif  F OCI is dandy and allows one to do anything Oracle allows and it works  fine with web-based code.    John         david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   t > In article <_U3ge.52950$Z14.43836@news.indigo.ie>, "Andoni" <no_spam_please@andoni-at-ireland-dot-com.com> writes: >  >>Hello All, >>L >>I am trying to find some sample code for accessing an Oracle Database in CF >>or Fortran from OpenVMS. I have found that this should be done usingJ >>Oracle's Pro*C Pro*Fortran libraries but the Oracle documentation is all >>very advanced. >>J >>Would anybody out there have a basic Oracle accessing program written inN >>something other than Java? If I get something like this working I would have >>a great starting point.  >> >  >  > If you download  > * > ftp://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/vms/orac-cgi.zip > N > you'll find the source and a command file to compile a simple Oracle Proc C 3 > program working as a CGI under the OSU webserver.  > A > This is for Oracle8i but I doubt much has changed for Oracle9i. O > Since it's a CGI there are a few extras which you don't need for a standalone I > program such as linking against scriptlib and cgilib (and of course the . > references to web forms in the source code). >  > But hopefully it should help.  > / > The code can be seen running by using the URL  > 1 > http://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/htbin~david20/orac-cgi  >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >  >>Thanks in advance, >>	 >>Andoni.  >> >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:55 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comC Subject: Re: anybody out there using LISTSERV web interface on VMS? Q Message-ID: <OF70B71C83.FFDF1CCD-ON85256FFE.005C3627-85256FFE.005C0742@metso.com>   < It was suggested to me that you might try the LSTOWN-L list,+ a public discussion forum for LISTSERV list 6 owners. L-Soft staff members are known to participate.  2 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lstown-l.html    F winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)  wrote on 05/10/2005 11:10:38 PM:   > VMSers --  > G > I find the generic instructions in the site maintainer's guide really  > confusing. >  > The manual (at> www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8e/sitemgr/sitemgr.html#_Toc90173199 )G > says I should define  WWW_ARCHIVE_CGI and WWW_ARCHIVE_DIR in the site B > configuration file, SITE_CONFIG.DAT.  LISTSERV_CONFIGURE doesn't > have an option9 > to define that, and if I add it manually, the next time  > LISTSERV_CONFIGURE sees C > the file, it says that those are bad parameters and deletes them.  > G > %LSVCONFIG-W-BADKEYW, bad parameter keyword "www_archive_cgi" deleted G > %LSVCONFIG-W-BADKEYW, bad parameter keyword "www_archive_dir" deleted  > F > Maybe I don't need these becuase of the system defined logical namesK > pointing to the same thing, and it's just a documentation error that they    > seem to be required. >  > ? > When I try to run WA.EXE as a CGI, I get the following error.  > 3 > <h1>Error - template LISTSERV-HOME not found</h1> I > A configuration error was detected in the CGI script; the LISTSERV-HOME  > template could not be found. > D > I guessed that I needed to copy the *.WWWTPL files to the Archives
 directory,H > and that got me a nice form.  Now when I try to login, it goes through the C > login dialogue, but it keeps telling me the password I give it is  > invalid, even / > if I go through the change-password dialogue.  >   > Does this thing actually work? > K > Where should I be looking to find out why my LISTSERV login doesn't work?  > 	 > Thanks,  > 	 > -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 05:22:27 -0700 From: tjonard@usa.net 4 Subject: Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1B Message-ID: <1115814147.487639.38690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   mb301@hotmail.com wrote:C > Does anyone have example cgi-bin DCL procedure they could post on  here. ? > I basicaly want to pass a couple of parameters to another DCL 	 procedure 
 > via Apache.  > 2 > http://servername/cgi-bin/test.cgi?p1=123&p2=abc > G > The following symbol is set APACHE$DCL_CMD but it doesn't contain the + > parameters, just the name name of script.  >  > @dir:[fred]do_stuff 'p1' 'p2'  >  >  > PS: & > and I don't want to buy this book... > U http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1555581919/102-6845318-2721749?v=glance   B I wrote the following to demonstrate how you could execute any VMS command on our CSWS server:   
 $ set noon $ forbidden := DEL,PUR,INI/ $ uri_command = f$element (1, "?", REQUEST_URI)  $ index = 0  $ hex_loop: 2 $       temp = f$element (index, "%", uri_command), $       if temp .eqs. "%" then goto hex_done $       if index .gt. 0 - $       then    code = f$extract (0, 2, temp) , $               element'index' = temp - code" $               code'index' = code% $       else    element'index' = temp 
 $       endif  $       index = index + 1 , $       if index .le. 100 then goto hex_loop $ hex_done:  $ uri_command = "" $ saved_index = index  $ index = 0  $ asci_loop: $       if index .gt. 0 " $       then    code = code'index'$ $               temp[0,8] = %X'code'A $               uri_command = uri_command + temp + element'index' , $       else    uri_command = element'index'
 $       endif  $       index = index + 1 5 $       if index .lt. saved_index then goto asci_loop  $ asci_done: $!/ $ dcl_command = f$element (1, "=", uri_command) . $ if dcl_command .eqs. "" then goto space_done7 $ if f$length (dcl_command) .eq. 0 then goto space_done  $ index = 0  $ plus_loop:2 $       temp = f$element (index, "+", dcl_command)- $       if temp .eqs. "+" then goto plus_done  $       element'index' = temp  $       index = index + 1 - $       if index .le. 100 then goto plus_loop  $ plus_done: $ dcl_command = "" $ saved_index = index  $ index = 0 
 $ space_loop: 8 $       dcl_command = dcl_command + element'index' + " " $       index = index + 1 6 $       if index .lt. saved_index then goto space_loop
 $ space_done:  $! $ dcl_test = -B         f$edit (f$extract (0, 3, f$element (0, " ", dcl_command)),	 "UPCASE") = $ if f$locate (dcl_test, forbidden) .eq. f$length (forbidden)  $       then    abort = 0  $       else    abort = -1 $ endif  $! $ say := write sys$output 2 $ say f$fao("!AS!/!/", "Content-type: text/plain") $!F $ text = "           Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Operating System, Version " + -           "''F$GETSYI("VERSION")'"
 $ say text $!D $ text = "           running on node ''F$GETSYI("NODENAME")' a " + -9         "''F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME")' ''F$GETSYI("HW_NAME")'" 
 $ say text $ say f$fao ("!AS",""), $ text = "Your command was:  " + dcl_command
 $ say text
 $ if abort) $ then  text = "I can't do that for you."  $       say text $ else  text = "The result is:"  $       say text $       'dcl_command'  $ endif  $! $ say f$fao ("!AS",""); $ text = "                          Powered by OpenVMS DCL" 
 $ say text $ say f$fao ("!AS!/","") $! $ exit   Tom   / Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard<at>XLNsystems<dot>com  Senior Consultant, XLNsystems  XLNsystems -- VMS specialists    ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 05:56:32 -0700 From: mb301@hotmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-1C Message-ID: <1115816192.043966.254500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   , I think I have found where the confusion is:$ In my first ever cgi script I have:-   $ show sym /all/local   7 Do don't see the symbol called QUERY_STRING, however if   you do following in the script:-   $ show sym QUERY_STRING    you see it as "p1=123&p2=abc"   B What type of symbol is it, and how come you can't see it with show symbols/all?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:20:29 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>4 Subject: Re: Calling DCL procedure from Apache 1.3-14 Message-ID: <d5t0qt$4bp$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   mb301@hotmail.com wrote:. > I think I have found where the confusion is:& > In my first ever cgi script I have:- >  > $ show sym /all/local  > 9 > Do don't see the symbol called QUERY_STRING, however if " > you do following in the script:- >  > $ show sym QUERY_STRING  >  > you see it as "p1=123&p2=abc"  > D > What type of symbol is it, and how come you can't see it with show > symbols/all?  1 If it doesn't show up in local, it must be global    $ sho sym/all/glo   - sho sym will use = or == for local or global.    Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:15:30 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? - Message-ID: <87br7hrdyl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes:   > Warren Spencer wrote:   D >> Proxy access would allow a given user access to data files, but ID >> don't think he could log into the box, could he?  And in my case,F >> he's gotta log in to instantiate the custom application he needs to( >> run.  File access alone isn't enough.  " >> Or am I missing something here?  @ > What Bob is talking about is have the user log into NODE1 withF > username/password then on NODE2, NODE3...NODEX do this (assuming the > username is WARREN);  + > $ MCR SYSMAN ALF ADD NODE1::WARREN WARREN 9 > $ MCR AUTHORIZE MODIFY WARREN/FLAGS=AUTLOGIN/NOPASSWORD   C > I have seen that used when a user spends 99% of his time on NODE1 F > but has one simple application to run on NODE2 from time to time. ItD > can also be handy when the remote node is a LAT device or a deviceF > running an IP stack that only certain people can get to and multiple > people have to use.   H You have to be VERY carefull that there is no way someone can hook in to- your network and use a trusted nodes address.   ) A VLC is a wonderfull thing to have... ;)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:41:40 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? + Message-ID: <3eequ8F2oa78U1@individual.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:8 > "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: >...D >> I have seen that used when a user spends 99% of his time on NODE1G >> but has one simple application to run on NODE2 from time to time. It E >> can also be handy when the remote node is a LAT device or a device G >> running an IP stack that only certain people can get to and multiple  >> people have to use. > G > You have to be VERY carefull that there is no way someone can hook in 2 > to your network and use a trusted nodes address. > + > A VLC is a wonderfull thing to have... ;)   ? Very true, rather than "simple application" I should have wrote E "non-critical application" or something like that. These days someone E could walk into a site with a CD pre-configured with Linux and DECNet A and boot whatever PC they get their hands on with whatever DECNet D address or IP address they want. But I would hope that the duplicateF addresses would cause enough help-desk calls to get someone looking at it.      --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 16:59:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? + Message-ID: <3ees0fF2pn1eU1@individual.net>   + In article <3eequ8F2oa78U1@individual.net>, 7 	"Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes:  > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:9 >> "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes:  >>... E >>> I have seen that used when a user spends 99% of his time on NODE1 H >>> but has one simple application to run on NODE2 from time to time. ItF >>> can also be handy when the remote node is a LAT device or a deviceH >>> running an IP stack that only certain people can get to and multiple >>> people have to use.  >>H >> You have to be VERY carefull that there is no way someone can hook in3 >> to your network and use a trusted nodes address.  >>, >> A VLC is a wonderfull thing to have... ;) > A > Very true, rather than "simple application" I should have wrote G > "non-critical application" or something like that. These days someone G > could walk into a site with a CD pre-configured with Linux and DECNet C > and boot whatever PC they get their hands on with whatever DECNet # > address or IP address they want.    E No excuse for allowing this today.  And after this summer, those days * will be gone from this department forever.    F >                                  But I would hope that the duplicateH > addresses would cause enough help-desk calls to get someone looking at > it.  >    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 09:50:05 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: Can OpenVMS use Active Directory instead of UAF? C Message-ID: <1115830205.696243.262790@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   - if just anyone can walk in and plug into your + local lan anywhere, you really have serious  security problems!   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:08:56 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: Clusterwide QUEMGR file$ Message-ID: <d5sb28$n5m$1@online.de>  C In article <1115743846.941591.297100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,  peut@peut.org writes:   G > Also, the queuemanager will look first in sys$system: for the various C > queuemanager database files, even if you have defined logicals to 3 > point to your new clusterwide queuemanager files. B > Make sure the files in sys$system are renamed to something else.  F I'm pretty sure that this is wrong.  It is certainly wrong for SYSUAF  etc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:41:12 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?8 Message-ID: <p6o381ls2i2km0kcttl57q307el13giupo@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 10 May 2005 16:49:45 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   >Bill Gunshannon wrote: 6 >> In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@ >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:@ >>> In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble! >>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>> Jake Hamby wrote: >>>> >>>>>  VMS is weird also,  >>>>6 >>>> Well, there went any credibility with some folks. >>> H >>>    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second >>>    language. >>>  >>7 >> As another interesting aside to this discussion.....  >>B >> If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least forA >> natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferation B >> of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc. >  > A >I'd half chalk them up to 110 baud and Teco but these things (or H >predecessors) go back a long way....to the early days of Morse code andM >Western Union and their high charges for telegraph service, and even earlier / >than that for military and commercial cyphers.   J That wouldn't explain the use of abbreviations by all the kids sending SMSA messages. I'm sure that it's just for speed of data entry IMHO:-)    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 11:06:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3ee7a4F2hqh2U1@individual.net>   0 In article <11830ep1r40rdea@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <118210ptgg60510@corp.supernews.com>, - >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>> 4 >>>>In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>,. >>>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Jake Hamby wrote: >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>VMS is weird also, >>>>> 6 >>>>>Well, there went any credibility with some folks. >>>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>>Mother Duck Syndrome >>>>8 >>>>Any OS other than the one you started with is weird. >>>> >>>>bill >>>> >>>  >>>I didn't start witn VMS.  >>>  >>   >>  E >> And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I  >> worked with: P >>    UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.)" >>    IBM 1401        (same thing) >>    IBM 360/40      DOS/E O >>    IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is  >>                    fading)  >>    UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8  >>    Prime 50 Series Primos! >>    LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal  >>    PDP-11          RT-11  >>  / >> After my first exposure to Unix you can add:  >>   VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11. >>  J >> OK, so it's not so much like MDS as much as religion.  Once one latchesH >> onto an OS they tend to become fanatic about it.  Except for a few OSJ >> Agnostics like me.  I can't say that I dislike any of the above, but myK >> favorite and the one I feel most comfortable working with is still Unix, J >> in it's many different flavors. (I actually enjoyed the time I spent on >> DOS/E and Exec8.) >>   >> bill  >>   > = > The point is, I think that VMS is pretty robust, scalable,  D > understandable, and much more.  Ok, some of the above is possibly K > personal preference, but others are absolutes.  Robust is something that  G > not much else >>that I've seen<< can match.  The number of languages  B > supported by VMS, talking from 1978 to 2005 since some may have F > disappeared, is impressive.  Compare that to Unix which may support . > other languages but is very centered on 'C'.  B All of this is true, but we were talking about the user interface.D Robustness and scalability are not relevant.  As for understandable,F purely a matter of opinion.  Intuitive?  Impossible.  Even the naturalH language you speak is not intuitive.  Purely a matter of the environment in which you were raised.    > H > When someone says that VMS is wierd, I don't agree, and anything else I > that person says will be viewed by me at the same level I view his/her   > view of VMS. > D > Note that my perception of what someone says may have no basis in ( > reality, but it's still my perception.    Like I said, religion.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 12:49:13 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3eeda8F2l9j9U1@individual.net>   8 In article <p6o381ls2i2km0kcttl57q307el13giupo@4ax.com>,$ 	Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:J > On Tue, 10 May 2005 16:49:45 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote:7 >>> In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, A >>> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: A >>>> In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble " >>>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>>> Jake Hamby wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>>  VMS is weird also, >>>>> 7 >>>>> Well, there went any credibility with some folks.  >>>>I >>>>    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is a second  >>>>    language.  >>>> >>> 8 >>> As another interesting aside to this discussion..... >>> C >>> If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for B >>> natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferationC >>> of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.  >> >>B >>I'd half chalk them up to 110 baud and Teco but these things (orI >>predecessors) go back a long way....to the early days of Morse code and N >>Western Union and their high charges for telegraph service, and even earlier0 >>than that for military and commercial cyphers. > L > That wouldn't explain the use of abbreviations by all the kids sending SMSC > messages. I'm sure that it's just for speed of data entry IMHO:-)  >   F And thus the reason for Unix command popularity as well as the abilityF to abbreviate VMS commands (and pretty much any other I have used thatG had english-like commands).  People here have often refered to the Unix D command set as unintelligible.  While I find the IM jargon to be theC same, people who use it frequently (like my daughter who can't even C understand my confusion) don't have that problem.  Why would anyone D assume the Unix command set is any different.  Humans have a strangeE propensity to acquire some rather odd skills.  Understanding giberish A seems to be one of these skills:  License Plate - "CUL8R"  Even a B child can tell what that says when actually, it isn't in any known	 language.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:17:01 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <11844t58fp9m81b@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <11830ep1r40rdea@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>3 >>>In article <118210ptgg60510@corp.supernews.com>, - >>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>> >>>>5 >>>>>In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, / >>>>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>Jake Hamby wrote:  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>VMS is weird also,  >>>>>>7 >>>>>>Well, there went any credibility with some folks.  >>>>>> >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>Mother Duck Syndrome  >>>>> 9 >>>>>Any OS other than the one you started with is weird.  >>>>> 	 >>>>>bill  >>>>>  >>>> >>>>I didn't start witn VMS. >>>> >>>  >>> E >>>And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I  >>>worked with: P >>>   UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.)" >>>   IBM 1401        (same thing) >>>   IBM 360/40      DOS/E O >>>   IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is  >>>                   fading)  >>>   UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8  >>>   Prime 50 Series Primos! >>>   LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal  >>>   PDP-11          RT-11  >>> / >>>After my first exposure to Unix you can add:  >>>  VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11. >>> J >>>OK, so it's not so much like MDS as much as religion.  Once one latchesH >>>onto an OS they tend to become fanatic about it.  Except for a few OSJ >>>Agnostics like me.  I can't say that I dislike any of the above, but myK >>>favorite and the one I feel most comfortable working with is still Unix, J >>>in it's many different flavors. (I actually enjoyed the time I spent on >>>DOS/E and Exec8.) >>>  >>>bill  >>>  >>= >>The point is, I think that VMS is pretty robust, scalable,  D >>understandable, and much more.  Ok, some of the above is possibly K >>personal preference, but others are absolutes.  Robust is something that  G >>not much else >>that I've seen<< can match.  The number of languages  B >>supported by VMS, talking from 1978 to 2005 since some may have F >>disappeared, is impressive.  Compare that to Unix which may support . >>other languages but is very centered on 'C'. >  > D > All of this is true, but we were talking about the user interface.F > Robustness and scalability are not relevant.  As for understandable,H > purely a matter of opinion.  Intuitive?  Impossible.  Even the naturalJ > language you speak is not intuitive.  Purely a matter of the environment > in which you were raised.  >  > H >>When someone says that VMS is wierd, I don't agree, and anything else I >>that person says will be viewed by me at the same level I view his/her   >>view of VMS. >>D >>Note that my perception of what someone says may have no basis in ( >>reality, but it's still my perception. >  >    > Like I said, religion.  B Ha!  There's no perception in religion.  Perception is based upon G experience.  Religion isn't based upon anything except possibly desire.    > bill >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 15:21:02 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?+ Message-ID: <3eem6tF2lpf7U1@individual.net>   0 In article <11844t58fp9m81b@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <11830ep1r40rdea@corp.supernews.com>, - >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>> 4 >>>>In article <118210ptgg60510@corp.supernews.com>,. >>>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>> 6 >>>>>>In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>,0 >>>>>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Jake Hamby wrote: >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>VMS is weird also, >>>>>>> 8 >>>>>>>Well, there went any credibility with some folks. >>>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Mother Duck Syndrome >>>>>>: >>>>>>Any OS other than the one you started with is weird. >>>>>>
 >>>>>>bill >>>>>> >>>>>  >>>>>I didn't start witn VMS.  >>>>>  >>>> >>>>F >>>>And I didn't start with Unix.  Before I saw my first Unix system I >>>>worked with:Q >>>>   UNIVAC 1005     (no idea what the OS, if it actually had one, was called.) # >>>>   IBM 1401        (same thing)  >>>>   IBM 360/40      DOS/EP >>>>   IBM 43xx        MVS, CICS (and TSO I think, but that part of my memory is >>>>                   fading) >>>>   UniSYS 1100-15  Exec8 >>>>   Prime 50 Series Primos0" >>>>   LSI-11          UCSD-Pascal >>>>   PDP-11          RT-11 >>>>0 >>>>After my first exposure to Unix you can add: >>>>  VMS, RSTS/E and RSX-11., >>>>K >>>>OK, so it's not so much like MDS as much as religion.  Once one latcheslI >>>>onto an OS they tend to become fanatic about it.  Except for a few OS K >>>>Agnostics like me.  I can't say that I dislike any of the above, but myiL >>>>favorite and the one I feel most comfortable working with is still Unix,K >>>>in it's many different flavors. (I actually enjoyed the time I spent ons >>>>DOS/E and Exec8.)e >>>> >>>>bill >>>> >>> > >>>The point is, I think that VMS is pretty robust, scalable, E >>>understandable, and much more.  Ok, some of the above is possibly  L >>>personal preference, but others are absolutes.  Robust is something that H >>>not much else >>that I've seen<< can match.  The number of languages C >>>supported by VMS, talking from 1978 to 2005 since some may have  G >>>disappeared, is impressive.  Compare that to Unix which may support M/ >>>other languages but is very centered on 'C'.  >> h >> rE >> All of this is true, but we were talking about the user interface.sG >> Robustness and scalability are not relevant.  As for understandable,nI >> purely a matter of opinion.  Intuitive?  Impossible.  Even the natural-K >> language you speak is not intuitive.  Purely a matter of the environmenty >> in which you were raised. >> e >> eI >>>When someone says that VMS is wierd, I don't agree, and anything else iJ >>>that person says will be viewed by me at the same level I view his/her  >>>view of VMS.e >>> E >>>Note that my perception of what someone says may have no basis in e) >>>reality, but it's still my perception.C >> M >>   >> Like I said, religion.M > D > Ha!  There's no perception in religion.  Perception is based upon  > experience.  A  C Of course there is.  If not, no one would ever change religions andV@ people do that all the time.  Different religions have different? philosophies and different external presentations and different = percieved rewards (21 virgins?).  Many are intangible and not-@ empirically provable.  Sure sounds like OSes (especially when it comes user interface) to me.  I >              Religion isn't based upon anything except possibly desire.t  $7 Once it reaches the point of fanaticism, neither is OS.3   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 08:51:15 -0700' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au>t  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?C Message-ID: <1115826675.210297.184490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>l   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <plEKE0j0iGjJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:@ > > In article <1181einr2dk7781@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:w > >> Jake Hamby wrote: > >> > >>>  VMS is weird also,h > >>6 > >> Well, there went any credibility with some folks. > > A > >    DCL is based on english verbs.  To some folks english is ac second > >    language. > >s >h6 > As another interesting aside to this discussion..... >eA > If "english verbs" is so natural for computer use (at least for @ > natural english speakers) how do you explain the proliferationA > of jargon like IMHO, lol, ISTR, AFAIK, IANAL, ROTFL, YMMV, etc.k  E They're completely different things. No simple "verb" can contain the B complex meaning of those phrases and sentences, so instead we haveB acronyms which conveniently abbreviate the expanded meaning. GivenF their ubiquity it's probably right to think of them as new word forms.F (A similar thing happens in conversation, where an inflected whatEVER!D or hellO? can convey much more than its literal payload.) Or is this explanation too obvious?   >  > bill >P > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Threen wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:22:08 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s( Subject: DECterm oddity (mangled output), Message-ID: <4282150B.9415A1A1@teksavvy.com>  H Yesterday evening, after being iddle for some time ( I was working on myH mac), I can back to my decterm having an all-in-1 session on a differentH node, and the index of my inbox was mangled, with additional digits here
 and there.  E I attached back to my DCL process, and SHOW TERM was mangled as well.nD did SET TERM/INQUIRE, and then show term was displayed properly. GotK back into ALL-in-1 and going to the index form woudl screw things up again.e  F logged out completed, closed that decterm and re-opened a new one, and same thing happened.B Tried it on another existing decterm windows, set host to the node: running allin1 (my all mighty microvax II) and same thing.  D I have never seen this happen before. I have to assume that since itF affects both decterms, as well as the older decterm, it must be at the decterm controller level.1  D What is interesting is that I have never seen the Allin1 index formsC (FMS forms with scrollable regions) do this with a decterm session.e  G I did notice howvere that the trademark sign (t in a 0) would sometimes% display partially last week.  D Question: is there some way to communicate to the decterm controller@ process to tell it to reset itself without zapping my sessions ?  C Or must I absolutely close all decterm sessions and then start fromr	 scratch ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:03:44 +0100r8 From: "news.fr.de.bosch.com" <peter.harper@uk.bosch.com> Subject: KZPBA-CA Scsi Cards4 Message-ID: <d5svr7$9tc$1@ns2.fe.internet.bosch.com>  	 Hi Group,i  K Does anyone have a online copy of the above card. I have some issues under  8 VMS 7.3-1 on an Alpha 1200 Cluster I am trying to solve.  G The main system disks are connected via DSSI to HSD10 and there are no  @ problems at all here, the problem lies with the SCSI data disks.  I This SCSI configuration consists of 3 internal disks (2 X RZ1CS-CS & 1 X o1 RZ2DD-LS) using the internal ribbon connector andt/ a DLT 35/70 attached to the external connector..  H This configuration is mirrored in a dual node cluster and the disks are 	 shadowed.e  J All has been working fine for a good year or so, then one day one disk in M the shadow set logged bad blocks and this also caused the other nodes shadow . disk to/A fail). Not what I expected from the shadowing software but still.m  G Anyway, I swapped both disks out and reset the shadow.However, certain eE funnies have started to occur, esp SCSI bus resets causing MntVerify.cL e.g. if I access disk DKA300 on NODE A, the IO can hang, DKA300 logs errors J and then DKA200 on NODE A will go into MountVerify and then remove itself  from another shadowset.t  @ Just a note, the other node, NODE B  had no problems whatsoever.  L I've read that you shouldn't use both th einternal and external connectors, 2 thats why I would like the manual just to confirm.  5 I've also replaced the KZPBA and the problem persistsy  # Any Help would be much appreciated,    Regards,  
 Peter Harper -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:08:32 -0400m From: norm.raphael@metso.com# Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEOeQ Message-ID: <OF8C2CA9F1.013D7EA9-ON85256FFE.0047B41A-85256FFE.004808EA@metso.com>.  G "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34 PM:N  H > I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site at: >m= >     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.htmlr >v  H I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter frustration I postedK a note there last week, more about losing this customer because of businessg@ practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an example.  J I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the specific issue7H and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue through whatJ is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still unresolved.  I I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader problem,T viz.,NJ we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we encounter them.   ( I did not get a personal(ized) response.   -Normw >c	 > Dave...e >e5 > "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> wrote in messagea, > news:iYCdnRuDqaboxBzfRVn-tQ@comcast.com...J > > Awhile back there was a thread about a pro-VMS letter writing campaign toK > > Mr. Hurd.  Has anyone written?  Has anyone gotten any replies they care  to
 > > share? > >  >  >E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:37:44 -0400R# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t# Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEOi, Message-ID: <2qednX0DpcdGqR_fRVn-vg@igs.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:nE > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34t > PM:  >iE >> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web siteg >> at: >>> >>     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html >> > < > I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter > frustration I postedD > a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofB > business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an
 > example. >yC > I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on theL > specific issueB > and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue > through what@ > is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still
 > unresolved.l >oB > I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader > problem, viz.,B > we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we > encounter them.h >o* > I did not get a personal(ized) response.    K See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I wonder howr' responsive they'll be in that instance.      --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base./   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:24:34 GMTn* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.45 Message-ID: <110520051023468882%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <1115770397.863177.234190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,t& toby <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:  G > It can seem toy-ish at first sight (like Aqua itself, for many of us, G > I suppose), but I can also see it being very handy. I already use theo> > world clock; it beats my previous solution (web bookmarks toD > http://www.timeanddate.com/ !) More configurability would be nice;& > many of the presets are too limited.  0 I love Dashboard, even after using Konfabulator.  ? There's now a better way to manage widgets.  I'm surprised thisnF functionality wasn't built in by Apple.  The software is called Widget Manager:  A    <http://www.downtownsoftwarehouse.com/WidgetManager/index.php>o  G It doesn't allow more configuration options for widgets, but allows you # to add and delete them more easily.s  % Now back to our OpenVMS discussion...    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringq   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 04:42:10 -0700 From: DocTrinsograce@gmail.com( Subject: OpenVMS RTL Routine EquivalencyC Message-ID: <1115811730.620162.207070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>m  A The lexical function f$environment can return the current commandl4 procedure name.  I need to do this within a program.  4 For Example, imagine the following command procedure (DEVICE:[DIR]X.COM):   $ ! Test Procedure
 $ RUN PROGRAM   G Without passing a symbol, logical, or other mechanism, I need to returnc; the command procedure name that is invoking the program and,) accomplishing it from within the program."  8 Is there a RTL routine that I can call for this purpose?  $ Thank you for your time and trouble.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:37:33 +0100a) From: Tom Wade <nospam@picard.eurokom.ie>!, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency2 Message-ID: <zVnge.52996$Z14.43913@news.indigo.ie>   DocTrinsograce@gmail.com wrote: C > The lexical function f$environment can return the current command 6 > procedure name.  I need to do this within a program. > 6 > For Example, imagine the following command procedure > (DEVICE:[DIR]X.COM): >  > $ ! Test Procedure > $ RUN PROGRAMa > I > Without passing a symbol, logical, or other mechanism, I need to return = > the command procedure name that is invoking the program and + > accomplishing it from within the program.  > : > Is there a RTL routine that I can call for this purpose? > & > Thank you for your time and trouble.  A The file GET-COMMAND-PROC.MAR contains a routine that will returne? the current (innermost) command procedure, or a zero length for = interactive.  The file TEST-PROC.FOR is a sample program thatR5 calls this routine and writes out the procedure name.    	$ Fortran TEST-PROC 	$ Macro GET-COMMAND-PROCcI 	$ Link /sysexe TEST-PROC,GET-COMMAND-PROC,SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:DCLDEF.STBs   to build (on Alpha).  = I wrote this a good while ago, but tested it again briefly onh; my workstation, and it seems to work.  Usual disclaimer ...E) unsupported ... use at your own risk ....      Regards     B ---------- File GET-COMMAND-PROC.MAR -----------------------------= ;   Program to get the name of the current command procedure.0& ;       Tom Wade T.Wade@vms.eurokom.ie ;mG ;   Calling sequence   ret_code := GET_COMMAND_FILE_NAME (file, length)e ;gL ;   file:       String to receive name of current command file (descriptor).J ;   length:     Address of longword to receive length of file (reference). ;a2 ;   e.g.   Integer *4     GET_COMMAND_FILE, lengthF ;          Character *100 file                          (for FORTRAN)/ ;c  ;   'file' will be blank padded. ; : ;   Program requires CMEXEC privileges to get at the data. ;o ;   Linking on Alpha requires  ; L ;  $ Link /sysexe <mainprog>,GET-COMMAND-PROC,SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:DCLDEF.STB  0                 .Title  GET_CURRENT_COMMAND_PROC                   $FABDEF                  $RABDEF-@                 .Link   "SYS$SYSTEM:DCLDEF.STB"/SELECTIVE_SEARCH=                 .Link   "SYS$SYSTEM:SYS.STB"/SELECTIVE_SEARCHt  /                 .Psect  DATA    noexe,wrt,noshrr  L Status:         .Long   0                       ; error code for truncation.K Arg_descriptor: .Long   0                       ; descriptor for input arg.dJ Address:        .Long   0                       ; pointer to string start.C Length:         .Long   0                       ; length of buffer.n@ Buflength = 512                                 ; size of bufferD Buffer:         .Blkb   buflength               ; temporary storage.  -                 .Psect  CODE    exe,nowrt,shrn  =                 .Entry  GET_COMMAND_FILE_NAME ^M <R6, R7, R8>R  A                 Movl    4(AP),  R6              ; get arg pointerZ>                 Movl    (R6),   arg_descriptor  ; get filenameI                 Movl    4(R6), arg_descriptor+4 ;  I'd use a MOVQ but thepK                                                 ; AXP compiler whines aboutr?                                                 ; alignment :-(tK                 Movzwl  arg_descriptor,  R8     ; get length into longword.a  J                 $CMEXEC_S       -               ; Nip upstairs and get the>                         routin=GET_INFO         ; information.L                 Blbc    R0,     Exit            ; if error just indicate it.  G                 Pushl   R0                      ; save status returned. K                 Movl    length, @8(AP)          ; return length in 2nd arg. T                 Movc5   length, buffer, #^A" ",-        ; return string blank filled=                         R8, @address            ; in 1st arg.-G                 Popl    R0                      ; restore status value.r Exit:           Rete    >                 .Entry  Get_Info        ^M<R2, R3, R4, R5, R6>  J                 Movl    #Ctl$Ag_Clidata, R6     ; get address of CLI data.@                 Movl    Ppd$L_Prc(R6),   R6     ; get DCL stuff.L                 Tstw    Prc_W_proclevel(R6)     ; are we in a command proc ?A                 Bneq    5$                      ; yes - carry on.rL                 Clrl    length                  ; return zero length string.?                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    R0      ; everything OKa?                 Ret                             ; and finished.   G 5$:             Movl    Prc_L_Inprab(R6),R6     ; get input RAB addressrB                 Movl    Rab$L_Fab(R6),   R6     ; get FAB from RABH                 Movl    Fab$L_Nam(R6),   R6     ; get NAM block from FABH                 Movzbl  Nam$B_Rsl(R6),   length ; get length of filenameK                 Movl    Nam$L_Rsa(R6),   R6     ; get address of file name.eA                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    status  ; so far so good.e  K                 Cmpl    length, #buflength      ; don't overflow the buffers6                 Bleq    10$                     ; oopsF                 Movl    #buflength,     length  ; use shortened bufferE                 Movl    #SS$_Bufferovf, status  ; indicate a problem.-  I 10$:            Movc3   length, (R6), buffer    ; get stuff while in exec(F                 Movl    status,         R0      ; return the status toB                 Ret                             ; calling routine.                   .EndG -----------------------------------------------------------------------r  F ---------- File TEST-PROC.FOR ----------------------------------------           Program TEST         Implicit        None          Character *255  filename9         Integer *4      length, ok, Get_Command_File_Nameo  5         ok = GET_COMMAND_FILE_NAME (filename, length) /         If (.not. ok) call Sys$Exit (%Val (ok))I           If (length .eq. 0) thenn-                 Call Lib$Put_Output ('(DCL)')          Else9                 call Lib$Put_Output (filename (1:length))          End If           EndaI -------------------------------------------------------------------------   9 ---------------------------------------------------------v@ Tom Wade                 | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie3 EuroKom                  | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696p3 A2, Nutgrove Office Park | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697eL Rathfarnham              | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer            G Dublin 14                | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !", Irelandy   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 09:15:04 -0700( From: "Scott" <DocTrinsograce@gmail.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine EquivalencyC Message-ID: <1115828104.844708.119250@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>i  G Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'miE trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  Wev& generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:21:29 GMT-& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency2 Message-ID: <targe.5244$WB6.2362@news.cpqcorp.net>   Scott wrote:I > Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'mnG > trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  We ( > generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you! >   ( Macro on Itanium shouldn't be a problem.  H Good news, I just compiled the .FOR and the .MAR file on my Itanium box 
 just fine.   Bad news, it doesn't work.  F Worse news, it doesn't work on Alpha either.  Something has obviously I changed since Tom wrote the code.  I'll play for 15 minutes or so to see   if I can get it working again.   -- r John Reagant/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leadere Hewlett-Packard Companye   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:47:18 GMTa+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)o4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming8 Message-ID: <WThge.74244$hu5.23363@tornado.texas.rr.com>  " John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:A : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtmlR : 2 : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You :   J That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wanting   to remove the cap on H-1B visas:  O  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htms<  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits  G  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workerscB   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledC   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel>(   discussion at the Library of Congress.  E   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smarttD   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense,"   Gates said..."  G Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companiesl+ such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro:O  A    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c /    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans    --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailW   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:30:11 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>t4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming* Message-ID: <4281B483.7080508@bigpond.com>   leslie mentioned in passing:$ > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:C > : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml1 > : 4 > : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You > :  > L > That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wanting " > to remove the cap on H-1B visas: > Q >  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htmI> >  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits > I >  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workersnD >   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledE >   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel>* >   discussion at the Library of Congress. > G >   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smart>F >   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," >   Gates said..."  3 I wonder what Billy Boy wants with skilled workers? ! It's certainly not for Windoze...    Regards, Dave -- eB David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:43:49 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3edrdkF2j6f8U1@individual.net>1    David B Sneddon - bigpond wrote:   > leslie mentioned in passing: > % >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:OD >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml7 >> : : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near Youc >> :E >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates e+ >> wanting to remove the cap on H-1B visas:l >>S >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htm u >>? >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits  >>J >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workersE >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledsF >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel+ >>   discussion at the Library of Congress.  >>H >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smartG >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense,"c >>   Gates said..."e >  > 5 > I wonder what Billy Boy wants with skilled workers?,# > It's certainly not for Windoze...n > G The BBC is has just done a copule of reports on M$ and the competition.,   Part 1/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4508897.stmn   Part 2/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4516269.stma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:33 +0200e& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3eduekF2k108U1@individual.net>i   Paul Sture wrote:e  " > David B Sneddon - bigpond wrote: >    <snip>   >>6 >> I wonder what Billy Boy wants with skilled workers?$ >> It's certainly not for Windoze... >>I > The BBC is has just done a copule of reports on M$ and the competition.c >  > Part 11 > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4508897.stmn >  > Part 21 > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4516269.stml  D  From the later URL, someone still thinks security through obscurity is a good thing:   ----H   And "do you really want to have your security issues discussed by the H Linux developer community on a public bulletin board," queries Alistair  Baker of Microsoft UK.  I With the likes of IBM backing Linux, such assertions may be questionable.- ----   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:55:11 +1000a6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>4 Subject: RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programmingX Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE1D@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55607.23D664E8 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printables    David B Sneddon - bigpond wrote:   > leslie mentioned in passing: >=20% >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:hD >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml7 >> : : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near Youo >> :G >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates=20I+ >> wanting to remove the cap on H-1B visas:c >>L >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/in=
 dex.htm=20 >>? >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limitsc >>J >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workersE >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledbF >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel+ >>   discussion at the Library of Congress.r >>H >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smartG >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense,"a >>   Gates said..."v >=20 >=205 > I wonder what Billy Boy wants with skilled workers? # > It's certainly not for Windoze...  >=20E If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young):   : Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc...  - This is mast(ur)er bates through and through.a   Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************b  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedl@ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseoD the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.-  C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20oC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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The whole thing doesn't = make sense,&quot;<BR> , &gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gates said...&quot;<BR> &gt;<BR> &gt;<BR>< &gt; I wonder what Billy Boy wants with skilled workers?<BR>* &gt; It's certainly not for Windoze...<BR> &gt;<BR>I If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young):<BR>e <BR>> Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc...<BR> <BR>1 This is mast(ur)er bates through and through.<BR>o <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> </FONT>s </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>i <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR>.B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR>-F the sender.  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TransGrid uses<BR>eB virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>: </FONT>> </BODY>B </HTML>a) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55607.23D664E8--c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:08:17 +0200n& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3ee0c0F2k28gU1@individual.net>>   O'Brien Paddy wrote:" > David B Sneddon - bigpond wrote: > ! >  > leslie mentioned in passing:r >  >( >  >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:G >  >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml>: >  >> : : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You >  >> :aG >  >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates>. >  >> wanting to remove the cap on H-1B visas: >  >>  >  >>  wP > http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htm >  >>IB >  >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits >  >>>M >  >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workersiH >  >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledI >  >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel/. >  >>   discussion at the Library of Congress. >  >>MK >  >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smarteJ >  >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," >  >>   Gates said..." >  > >  >8 >  > I wonder what Billy Boy wants with skilled workers?& >  > It's certainly not for Windoze... >  >G > If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young):  > < > Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc... >  ... and publish first!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:47:28 +1000y6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>4 Subject: RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programmingX Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE1E@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5560E.71623784p. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable          -----Original Message------ From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul.sture@decus.ch]o Sent: Wed 5/11/2005 7:08 PMd To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming =20l O'Brien Paddy wrote:   OKay, snipsP  G > If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young):e >=20< > Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc... >=20 .. and publish first!   - Yeah, and I think I remember the next bit :-)/  L Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, so plaigarise, plagairise do ...=* but remember always to call it "research".  L Yep, I loved his stuff back in the 1960's.  A prof of mathematics in Canada= , IIRC.p  L So, to continue this OT thread, this is exactly what BG has done throughout=L  his life (total plaigarism). I may wish I could have earnt 65 billion by b=L eing a total nerdish s**t.  But somehow, I know that my life has given me e=. njoyment, a wonderful family and a lot of fun.   Regards, Paddy  % P.S. I still miss that 65 billion :-)     G ***********************************************************************o  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedl@ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  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TransGrid useso> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5560E.71623784L- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"i+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">. <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1">sK <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0">I: <TITLE>RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming</TITLE> </HEAD>N <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->f <BR> <BR> <BR>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>L From: Paul Sture [<A HREF=3D"mailto:paul.sture@decus.ch">mailto:paul.sture@= decus.ch</A>]<BR>e Sent: Wed 5/11/2005 7:08 PM<BR>t To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR>h8 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming<BR> <BR> O'Brien Paddy wrote:<BR> <BR> OKay, snips<BR>  <BR>L &gt; If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young):<= BR>s &gt;<BR>C &gt; Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc...<BR>t &gt;<BR> .. and publish first!<BR>t <BR>1 Yeah, and I think I remember the next bit :-)<BR>d <BR>L Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, so plaigarise, plagairise do ...=8 but remember always to call it &quot;research&quot;.<BR> <BR>L Yep, I loved his stuff back in the 1960's.&nbsp; A prof of mathematics in C= anada, IIRC.<BR> <BR>L So, to continue this OT thread, this is exactly what BG has done throughout=L  his life (total plaigarism). I may wish I could have earnt 65 billion by b=L eing a total nerdish s**t.&nbsp; But somehow, I know that my life has given=7  me enjoyment, a wonderful family and a lot of fun.<BR>  <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR>) P.S. I still miss that 65 billion :-)<BR>  </FONT>a </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>u <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>e <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR>nB and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR>iF the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR>tE immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR>aA individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR>rG authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR>oB virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>c </FONT>  </BODY>i </HTML>a) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5560E.71623784--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:14:58 -0400t2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming0 Message-ID: <z9-dna5hjKixdBzfRVn-oA@comcast.com>   O'Brien Paddy wrote:    J >  > If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young): >  >? >  > Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc...  >  > > .. and publish first!d > / > Yeah, and I think I remember the next bit :-)e > J > Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, so plaigarise, plagairise do 0 > ....but remember always to call it "research". > G > Yep, I loved his stuff back in the 1960's.  A prof of mathematics in h > Canada, IIRC.b  L Still OT, but Tom Lehrer was a math prof at some little school in Cambridge, MA; starts with an H.a -- t Cheers, BobS   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:22:21 GMTA* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>> Subject: Re: Powerstorm graphics w/ VMS -- and OpenGL, anyone?1 Message-ID: <x1lge.5216$fi6.794@news.cpqcorp.net>e  ) VMS does not support those cards.  Sorry.e    > "Christopher Smith" <csmith@stu.parkland.edu> wrote in message1 news:1115760549.fb1925ccsmith@stu.parkland.edu...u% More specific this time.  Sorry guys.e  K What I'm looking for is support for the 4d-40t/50t/60t  (s.b. model BGGI-AAa3 or similar) on an Alphastation 600 5/266 (I think).-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:25:22 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.come* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?- Message-ID: <877ji5rdi5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   N winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) writes:  F > Any advice?  (I really don't want to have to learn enough, eg, emacs > to make it use EDT keys.)o  H ?? emacs has a pretty good EDT keymapping, and info help on it. ^H A edt	 gets you:n    / edt-emulation-on	      M-x edt-emulation-on RETe!   Command: Turn on EDT Emulation. ; edt-set-scroll-margins	      M-x edt-set-scroll-margins RETf   Command: Set scroll margins. tpu-edt			      M-x tpu-edt RETl%   Command: Turn on TPU/edt emulation.s( tpu-edt-mode		      M-x tpu-edt-mode RET%   Command: Turn on TPU/edt emulation.h$ tpu-edt-on		      M-x tpu-edt-on RET%   Command: Turn on TPU/edt emulation..  ( And it comes with a free TECO mindset ;)   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:09:03 -0400t? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>-J Subject: Send us your requirements and get a free Island Computers T-Shirt9 Message-ID: <u4qge.12713$eJ4.9358@bignews4.bellsouth.net>e  K If you are looking for anything in the OpenVMS arena, send us a request forw	 quotationD. (hardware only or system/system with licenses)    @ Get a free Island Computers T-Shirt -  LARGE OR EXTRA LARGE ONLY  < Available in bright orange (our company colors) or dark blueC Pure cotton - great for wearing to work out, weedthe garden or as aa nightgown for the other half.   ! Also makes a good gas cap filler.    :0)e   Davids     -- o   David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404o Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Skype ID: islandco Fax: 912 201 0402i Email: dbturner@icusc.comi Web: http://www.islandco.com% =====================================n< All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.htmls   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 07:46:26 -0700 From: anguel@web.dek< Subject: Slow screen update with cobol generated executablesC Message-ID: <1115822786.145548.240410@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>i   Hi,o  C first I know there is a cobol group out there, but I guess that theb guys with VMS-Cobol are here :)n  B I have real DEC text terminals (VT220) attached to a ALPHA machineB running OpenVMS 7.3. The serial speed is 9600, and all screens are built as expected.  E But, when running an executable built from a cobol source, the screen48 is built up like with a 600 baud connection - very slow.  7 Any idea why these executables are so in screen output?o   THANKS!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:54:35 -0400g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>p@ Subject: Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executables, Message-ID: <42821CA4.90E5CF81@teksavvy.com>   anguel@web.de wrote:D > I have real DEC text terminals (VT220) attached to a ALPHA machineD > running OpenVMS 7.3. The serial speed is 9600, and all screens are > built as expected. > G > But, when running an executable built from a cobol source, the screena: > is built up like with a 600 baud connection - very slow.  A The VT220 terminal is actually a fairly slow terminal in terms ofp processing escape sequences.  F Have you tried putting the VT220 into display of control characters to see ?a  H Do you know which package is being used to generate the output ? is it a% forms management system such as FMS ?-  ; Or does the program draw the screen completely on its own ?M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:13:43 -0400L4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>; Subject: Re: suggestion for TCPIP: TCPIP$SMTP_PERSONAL_NAMEf+ Message-ID: <3eei8qF2nivmU1@individual.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:. >...1 > It would be nice to be able to define a logical E > TCPIP$SMTP_PERSONAL_NAME to override the personal name in VMS MAIL.a >...  C This is what I do on my system, is this what you are looking to do?r* $ DEFINE TCPIP$SMTP_FROM """Peter Weaver""  <peter@weaverconsulting.ca>"/job   -- r Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.f Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:54:02 +0200a! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>o Subject: Tomcat 5.x on VMS?S9 Message-ID: <42821bb6$0$307$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>3   Hi all,o  H This question was already asked some time ago and got no answers at the  time...t  G Maybe today somebody knows more about it: is there any ongoing work by g: anybody to support tomcat 5.x on any VMS version/platform?  
 Thanks a lot,D SX   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:25:09 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>= Subject: Re: Update on VMS artwork (Vernon the shark mascott) + Message-ID: <3eeiu9F2nknfU1@individual.net>    JF Mezei wrote:R? > I've begun to generate some of the artwork with the VMS shark  > (Vernon) branding. > / > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/index.htmlt > E > I've even masochicastically generated some artwork with the dreadedt* > open word in it. It hasn't been easy :-( >...  < Thanks JF, I put the "Open" version on my pages. Looks good.  G BTW: I had someone the other day question how I could have a web serversG running on VMS and when I told him that there were graphics on the pagei? he was shocked; "How can you do that, VMS uses text terminals!"a   -- f Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.U Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXr www.weaverconsulting.cai   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:13:32 +0000 (UTC)-P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)- Subject: Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXPl$ Message-ID: <d5sbas$n5m$2@online.de>  C In article <1115733077.985140.116360@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,o% teresa2000@women-at-work.org writes:     > for private purposes,   5 In which case you probably have a dynamic IP address..  / > I'd like to set up an Alpha with OpenVMS. One ? > service I want to run on this is email. There are two ways toc > accomplish this for me:p  I There is a third way: use VMS mail and run your own SMTP server and send  G mail through a "good" (i.e. not blacklisted) relay.  Some ISPs require DH SMTP authentication, and some dynamic-DNS providers do as well.  My ISP I requires it (or using a non-obvious standard From: header in email), but  E my dynamic-DNS provider allows me access to an SMTP relay.  Since he  G knows who has what IP address when, it is trivial to track down abuse, eD so no authentication is required.  I just set this as the alternate F gateway in the SMTP configuration and can send email with no problems.G Fortunately, I can receive it as well, since my ISP does not block any   ports.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:15:23 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)- Subject: Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP $ Message-ID: <d5sifa$1om$2@online.de>  B In article <1115802374.559069.48310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,% teresa2000@women-at-work.org writes: R  3 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schrieb:e > >  > >> for private purposes, > > 9 > > In which case you probably have a dynamic IP address.l > I > Damn, I forgot to mention that there's only a plain old modem available * > that needs to dial out on demand, too :(  G That in itself is not a problem.  The main thing is the SMTP gateway.   G Back when I used ISDN, I also had a dial-out-on-demand setup.  (I also dG had a dial-in-on-demand setup, so I could also receive mails, but that gD was a little tricky).  However, these days DSL connections are very   cheap, so why not go that route?  E > Well, seems I got to find one that requires no SMTP authentication,0 > too.  E I use http://www.dynaccess.de/ whose web pages, however, are only in 8 German.   C > How do you receive Mails? Is there a POP3 retrieval tool for VMS?r  E I receive them directly on my VMS cluster, running the SMTP software 8H which is part of the VMS TCPIP package.  I read them with VMS MAIL.  Of H course, this only makes sense if the cluster is online all the time, or E if you have a dial-in-on-demand service, or if you have a patient MX   server.C   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 02:06:14 -0700" From: teresa2000@women-at-work.org- Subject: Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXPeB Message-ID: <1115802374.559069.48310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  1 Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schrieb:  >l >> for private purposes, > 7 > In which case you probably have a dynamic IP address.$  G Damn, I forgot to mention that there's only a plain old modem available ( that needs to dial out on demand, too :(   >o0 >> I'd like to set up an Alpha with OpenVMS. One@ >> service I want to run on this is email. There are two ways to >> accomplish this for me: > E > There is a third way: use VMS mail and run your own SMTP server andl send@ > mail through a "good" (i.e. not blacklisted) relay.  Some ISPs require_E > SMTP authentication, and some dynamic-DNS providers do as well.  My  ISPNF > requires it (or using a non-obvious standard From: header in email), bute< > my dynamic-DNS provider allows me access to an SMTP relay.  C Well, seems I got to find one that requires no SMTP authentication,  too.  A How do you receive Mails? Is there a POP3 retrieval tool for VMS?t  F Thanks also to the other guys here, but there's no graphical interface; available, so no Mozilla or something similar is available.t   Tracy    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:27:00 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>-- Subject: Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXP-2 Message-ID: <oSmge.5220$pd6.5135@news.cpqcorp.net>  # teresa2000@women-at-work.org wrote:- > C > How do you receive Mails? Is there a POP3 retrieval tool for VMS?   G I have not tried this yet, and it requires the Perl scripting language.   9 http://www.vaxman.de/openvms/pop2vmsmail/pop2vmsmail.html   G The Perl Scripting language is available on the FREEWARE CDROMs or the tE OpenVMS Freeware download site and of course the usual places to get  
 Perl like:   http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/l   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp- Personal Opinion Only-   ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 13:02:50 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXPa+ Message-ID: <3eee3qF2l9j9U2@individual.net>T  $ In article <d5sifa$1om$2@online.de>,S 	helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:iD > In article <1115802374.559069.48310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,' > teresa2000@women-at-work.org writes: n > 4 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schrieb: >> > >> >> for private purposes,r >> >: >> > In which case you probably have a dynamic IP address. >> sJ >> Damn, I forgot to mention that there's only a plain old modem available+ >> that needs to dial out on demand, too :(i > I > That in itself is not a problem.  The main thing is the SMTP gateway.  aI > Back when I used ISDN, I also had a dial-out-on-demand setup.  (I also -I > had a dial-in-on-demand setup, so I could also receive mails, but that eF > was a little tricky).  However, these days DSL connections are very " > cheap, so why not go that route? > F >> Well, seems I got to find one that requires no SMTP authentication, >> too.r > G > I use http://www.dynaccess.de/ whose web pages, however, are only in  	 > German.e > D >> How do you receive Mails? Is there a POP3 retrieval tool for VMS? > G > I receive them directly on my VMS cluster, running the SMTP software uJ > which is part of the VMS TCPIP package.  I read them with VMS MAIL.  Of J > course, this only makes sense if the cluster is online all the time, or G > if you have a dial-in-on-demand service, or if you have a patient MX g	 > server.r >   F Seems to me that his easiest option turns out to be the UUCP link. :-)  E I know there was UUCP for VMS but I haven't seen it in over a decade.0  Maybe on one of the DECUS tapes?   bill   -- (J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:43:19 -0400i. From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>- Subject: Re: UUCP or SMTP-AUTH on OpenVMS/AXPe- Message-ID: <42820BF4.B3308841@vaxination.ca>i  # teresa2000@women-at-work.org wrote:sC > How do you receive Mails? Is there a POP3 retrieval tool for VMS?h  F If there is interest, I could package some software I have to transferF from POP3 server to VMSmail (I also have an older version that goes to message router).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:42:00 +0800w From: prep@prep.synonet.comi Subject: Re: VAXen need PWDMIX- Message-ID: <873bstrcqf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:a  y > In article <d5oi0p$6n0$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:.  /@ >> I'm not so sure.  As a hobbyist, I'm running 7.3 VAX with allD >> patches.  I suspect, however, that many VAXes, mainly those ownedE >> by paying customers, are running "legacy" apps, where stability is $ >> more important than new features.  E >    One new feature that VAXen need is PWDMIX.  I don't care if theylE >    call it 7.3-2 or 8.2 or 19.25, it's something the security folks. >    keep pressing for.i  K What is that? Mixed case passwords? Dumb idea  that SEEMS to be a good one.c  A The `power' of your passphrase is n^x, for a n charset set with aiE length of x. Increasing n gains you a LOT less than increasing x. ButpE it often results in the type-in becomming partitionable by the easier1I to spot shift and no alpha keying. This chops the passphrase into severali. smaller sub-strings that can then be attacked.  
 See line 2 ;)S   -- v< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.262 ************************