1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 263       Contents:: Re: anybody out there using LISTSERV web interface on VMS? Re: Clusterwide QUEMGR file # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) , Re: DO HLP HLD BRK PRN and other keymappings$ DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg? FTP-S support ?  Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4  Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4 # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming  PCI NIC 7 Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executables 7 Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executables ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? > Your VMS Sig (was Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming)B Re: Your VMS Sig (was Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:07:28 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)C Subject: Re: anybody out there using LISTSERV web interface on VMS? 6 Message-ID: <00A439DC.C179718F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  p In article <OF70B71C83.FFDF1CCD-ON85256FFE.005C3627-85256FFE.005C0742@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >  >  >  > = >It was suggested to me that you might try the LSTOWN-L list, , >a public discussion forum for LISTSERV list7 >owners. L-Soft staff members are known to participate.  > 3 >http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lstown-l.html    Thanks,   G I haven't had great results asking VMS-specific questions there before; C the vast majority of questions seem to be on Windows installations.   I (But it turns out that my final "password doesn't work" question was user L error; it had sent me a confirm-request email which I hadn't replied to yet. The thing works now.)    -- Alan    >  > G >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) ! >wrote on 05/10/2005 11:10:38 PM:  >  >> VMSers -- >>H >> I find the generic instructions in the site maintainer's guide really
 >> confusing.  >> >> The manual (at ? >www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8e/sitemgr/sitemgr.html#_Toc90173199 ) H >> says I should define  WWW_ARCHIVE_CGI and WWW_ARCHIVE_DIR in the siteC >> configuration file, SITE_CONFIG.DAT.  LISTSERV_CONFIGURE doesn't  >> have an option : >> to define that, and if I add it manually, the next time >> LISTSERV_CONFIGURE seesD >> the file, it says that those are bad parameters and deletes them. >>H >> %LSVCONFIG-W-BADKEYW, bad parameter keyword "www_archive_cgi" deletedH >> %LSVCONFIG-W-BADKEYW, bad parameter keyword "www_archive_dir" deleted >>G >> Maybe I don't need these becuase of the system defined logical names L >> pointing to the same thing, and it's just a documentation error that they >  >> seem to be required.  >> >>@ >> When I try to run WA.EXE as a CGI, I get the following error. >>4 >> <h1>Error - template LISTSERV-HOME not found</h1>J >> A configuration error was detected in the CGI script; the LISTSERV-HOME >> template could not be found.  >>E >> I guessed that I needed to copy the *.WWWTPL files to the Archives  >directory, I >> and that got me a nice form.  Now when I try to login, it goes through  >theD >> login dialogue, but it keeps telling me the password I give it is >> invalid, even0 >> if I go through the change-password dialogue. >>! >> Does this thing actually work?  >>L >> Where should I be looking to find out why my LISTSERV login doesn't work? >>
 >> Thanks, >>
 >> -- Alan >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 16:02:06 -0700 From: peut@peut.org $ Subject: Re: Clusterwide QUEMGR fileC Message-ID: <1115852525.985206.167180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   1 Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schreef:   G > I'm pretty sure that this is wrong.  It is certainly wrong for SYSUAF    > etc.  G I was reacting from the top of my head, remembering some trouble I went D through a couple of years ago. So, I just tested it on a system with0 the queuemanager database already moved (7.3-2).E I stopped the quemanager, copyied the qman$master file to sys$system: C and renamed the original, already moved qman$master file to .blurb. D If I was right then starting the queuemanager would succeed, despiteC the fact the qman$master logical was pointing at a now non existing 2 file. Well.. I was wrong. Sorry for the confusion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:36:22 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output)/ Message-ID: <BEA82B56.DD12%roktsci@comcast.net>   I On 5/11/05 7:22 AM, in article 4282150B.9415A1A1@teksavvy.com, "JF Mezei" % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   J > Yesterday evening, after being iddle for some time ( I was working on myJ > mac), I can back to my decterm having an all-in-1 session on a differentJ > node, and the index of my inbox was mangled, with additional digits here > and there. > G > I attached back to my DCL process, and SHOW TERM was mangled as well. F > did SET TERM/INQUIRE, and then show term was displayed properly. GotM > back into ALL-in-1 and going to the index form woudl screw things up again.  > H > logged out completed, closed that decterm and re-opened a new one, and > same thing happened.D > Tried it on another existing decterm windows, set host to the node< > running allin1 (my all mighty microvax II) and same thing. > F > I have never seen this happen before. I have to assume that since itH > affects both decterms, as well as the older decterm, it must be at the > decterm controller level.  > F > What is interesting is that I have never seen the Allin1 index formsE > (FMS forms with scrollable regions) do this with a decterm session.  > I > I did notice howvere that the trademark sign (t in a 0) would sometimes  > display partially last week. > F > Question: is there some way to communicate to the decterm controllerB > process to tell it to reset itself without zapping my sessions ? > E > Or must I absolutely close all decterm sessions and then start from  > scratch ?   K I think you might want to reset the terminal emulation of the decterm. Here J are the escape codes you can send to the terminal to do a soft reset and a/ hard reset. They should do what you are asking.   L From the VT programmers manual: http://vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/contents.html  # 4.18.1 Soft Terminal Reset (DECSTR)   J You can invoke DECSTR (soft terminal reset) from the keyboard by selectingK "Reset Terminal" in the Set-Up Directory screen. It can be invoked directly G from the host computer via the DECSTR sequence, if the terminal is in a L VT200 mode. (When the terminal is in VT100 or VT52 mode, the escape sequenceF is ignored.) It can also be invoked indirectly via the DECSCL sequence (ignored in VT52 mode).   K The DECSTR sequence sets the terminal to the power-up default states listed  in Table 4-10.  ) The DECSTR escape sequence is as follows.     9/11 2/1 7/0     CSI   !   p    4.18.2 Hard Terminal Reset (RIS)  K You can invoke RIS (hard terminal reset or reset to initial state) from the J keyboard by selecting "Recall" in the Set-Up Directory screen. It can alsoL be invoked from the host computer with an escape sequence. RIS causes an NVRI recall. All set-up parameters are replaced either by their NVR values, or 3 power-up default values if NVR values do not exist.   0 In addition, RIS performs the following actions.4          Performs a communications line disconnect.          Clears UDKs.2          Clears a down-line-loaded character set.          Clears the screen.D          Returns the cursor to the upper-left corner of the screen.'          Sets the SGR state to normal. K          Sets the selective erase attribute write state to "not erasable". 1          Sets all character sets to the default.   & The RIS escape sequence is as follows.    1/11 6/3 
    ESC   c  L NOTE: Use this sequence with caution. Parity and baud rate are restored from NVR.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:17:49 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: DO HLP HLD BRK PRN and other keymappings + Message-ID: <4282AEBD.260D40E7@comcast.net>    "Richard S. Shuford" wrote:  >  > "Lars D. Nooden" wrote:  > | A > | Where can I find a description of the special keys on the old H > | VT terminals?  I need to remap some keys to produce the same effects/ > | as DO, HLP, HLD, BRK, PRN and a few others.   D If you have access to a VMS system, look at SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT.H There in, you'll find descriptions of the escape sequence transmitted byD the active function keys. (Roughly equivalent to the termcap file in6 UN*X-land, but must be "compiled" into TERMTABLE.EXE.)  D Note, however, that the following keys are local to the terminal and send nothing to the host:   3 F1 (No Scroll or Scroll Lock) is an XOF/XON toggle.   B F2 (Print Screen) sends a text form of what's on the screen to theF printer port. CTRL+F2 toggles "Auto-Print" (what comes the screen also goes to the printer port).  * F3 (Setup) Enter Set up mode. Is a toggle.  E F4 (Switch Session or Talk/Data) on VT200 and VT300, was intended for C use with an available internal modem (I think). On VT420 and VT500, D either triggers session control software or switches locally betweenC pre-configured sessions (for example: Session 1: Comm-1, Session-2:  Comm-2, Session-3: Comm-3).   C F5 (Break) generates a break on the currently selected serial port.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 05:25:01 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>- Subject: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg? ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-jpeTOTqHmyBe@dave2_os2.home.ours>    Guy B          has anyone ever suggested adding the /ASCII qualifier to D DUMP. I know we get both at the moment but there are times when one F only wants to see what the file looks like in ascii. 80 chars per line instead of 16 or 32    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 18:02:34 -0700" From: "Jose Baars" <peut@peut.org> Subject: FTP-S support ?C Message-ID: <1115859754.474558.288060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D Does anyone know if FTPS ( this is not sftp, but plain FTP augmentedE with a couple of FTP commands to negotiate encryption (or not) by SSL C over the control and/or the data connection) is considered in TCPIP  services for OpenVMS?   B After struggling with various sftp clients and servers, openssh onB HPUX, putty on Windows, sun ssh on Solaris and ssh on OpenVMS bothG tcpip 5.4 and 5.5, I concluded from the wild variety of hangs, bugs and  no-can-do's that sftp is evil.  C FTPS sounds not to hard to add to an existing FTP client or server. G Althought there is no RFC accepted, only proposed, and discussion seems C to be ongoing, it looks to be supported through some IBM personnel, E apparently backed up by their bosses, resulting in the fact that FTPS C is available on OS390 and AS400 systems (computers made by IBM, too . difficult for me) more or less out of the box.  C Does anyone know if FTPS gives the same incompatibility problems as  sftp?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 12:09:23 -0700; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card B Message-ID: <1115838563.916782.50090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   news.fr.de.bosch.com wrote:  > Hi Group,   / [description of strange KZPBA behavior snipped]   A > I've read that you shouldn't use both th einternal and external  connectors, 4 > thats why I would like the manual just to confirm. >   , The information you posted above is correct.< You'll get weird behavior if you try to use both connectors.  E Since you seem to have an extra KZPBA, if you have enough slots to do  so, . why not use it exclusively for the tape drive?  G The throughput will be better that way than if you put the drive on the ( same bus as other devices such as disks.   Regards,   WWWebb  7 > I've also replaced the KZPBA and the problem persists  > % > Any Help would be much appreciated,  > 
 > Regards, >  > Peter Harper   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:33:31 -0400 $ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca> Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card : Message-ID: <GTuge.33471$B82.898755@news20.bellglobal.com>  G My guess is that the replacement disks were slightly different than the L originals, and have extended the effective length of the SCSI bus beyond itsG capability.  I agree with Sir William, don't use the external connector . unless you have almost nothing else on the bus  + <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote in message < news:1115838563.916782.50090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >  > news.fr.de.bosch.com wrote: 
 > > Hi Group,  > 1 > [description of strange KZPBA behavior snipped]  > C > > I've read that you shouldn't use both th einternal and external 
 > connectors, 6 > > thats why I would like the manual just to confirm. > >  > . > The information you posted above is correct.> > You'll get weird behavior if you try to use both connectors. > G > Since you seem to have an extra KZPBA, if you have enough slots to do  > so, 0 > why not use it exclusively for the tape drive? > I > The throughput will be better that way than if you put the drive on the * > same bus as other devices such as disks. > 
 > Regards, >  > WWWebb > 9 > > I've also replaced the KZPBA and the problem persists  > > ' > > Any Help would be much appreciated,  > >  > > Regards, > >  > > Peter Harper >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:02:12 GMT + From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@nospam.net>  Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card A Message-ID: <U9wge.1152$LO1.634@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>   H Yep, been there done that, did NOT like the results  Seemed to work for C awhile but in the end the "internal" device had to be disconnected.    jp   Chris wrote:I > My guess is that the replacement disks were slightly different than the N > originals, and have extended the effective length of the SCSI bus beyond itsI > capability.  I agree with Sir William, don't use the external connector 0 > unless you have almost nothing else on the bus   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:58:19 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card + Message-ID: <4282AA2A.D3F4D6C1@comcast.net>    Jack Patteeuw wrote: > I > Yep, been there done that, did NOT like the results  Seemed to work for E > awhile but in the end the "internal" device had to be disconnected.  >  > jp >  > Chris wrote:K > > My guess is that the replacement disks were slightly different than the P > > originals, and have extended the effective length of the SCSI bus beyond itsK > > capability.  I agree with Sir William, don't use the external connector 2 > > unless you have almost nothing else on the bus  H Gotta be careful about termination, device id.'s  and such. No reason it shouldn't work.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 00:59:27 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)  Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card : Message-ID: <d5u9pf$ehg$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  4 In message <d5svr7$9tc$1@ns2.fe.internet.bosch.com>,=    "news.fr.de.bosch.com" <peter.harper@uk.bosch.com> writes: L >I've read that you shouldn't use both th einternal and external connectors,3 >thats why I would like the manual just to confirm.   M Unless the card has a jumper that can disable its internal termination, using G both connectors would not be supported.  Each end of a SCSI bus must be J terminated, and the card would be adding a terminator in the middle if you tried using both connectors.    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:07:05 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card 2 Message-ID: <05051122070502_2860027B@antinode.org>  1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)   O > Unless the card has a jumper that can disable its internal termination, using I > both connectors would not be supported.  Each end of a SCSI bus must be L > terminated, and the card would be adding a terminator in the middle if you > tried using both connectors.  F    Interestingly, the QLogic manual for the corresponding non-DEC card
 (QLA1040),  E       ftp://download.qlogic.com/manual/1852/ultra.hw.installguide.pdf    says:          CAUTION!F       You can use any two of the connectors on the QLA1040/1041 boardsM       (see figures 2-1 and 2-2). Using all three connectors violates the SCSI D       specification and can cause your peripheral devices to operate       incorrectly.   and:  "       Setting the SCSI TerminationL       Termination for the QLA1040/1080/1240/1280 boards is set automaticallyG       in most cases. You can change the termination using the Fast!UTIL #       software (see section A.2.1).   C   The termination options seem to be "Auto, Enabled, Disabled, High  only".  Note also:  J       Auto(default). SCSI termination requirements are sensed by the boardJ       and set automatically. For example, if you have devices connected toO       J1, J2, or P2, termination is enabled. If you have wide devices connected 2       to J1 and J2 or P2, termination is disabled.  F    Thus, it appears that the required jumper may not be very required.  E    I don't know off-hand what Alt-Q on an Intel system will do with a E genuine KZPBA-CX, but it might be informative.  What DKDRIVER says to D the card is yet another mystery, at least to those of us without the source listings.  8    In any case, reading the manual could be educational.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:35:03 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com># Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO ' Message-ID: <42825057.A0C7C2E@mist.com>    John Smith wrote:  >  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: G > > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34  > > PM:  > > G > >> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site  > >> at: > >>@ > >>     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html > >> > > > > > I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter > > frustration I postedF > > a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofD > > business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an > > example. > > E > > I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the  > > specific issueD > > and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue > > through whatB > > is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still > > unresolved.  > > D > > I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader > > problem, viz.,D > > we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we > > encounter them.  > > , > > I did not get a personal(ized) response. > M > See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I wonder how ) > responsive they'll be in that instance.  >   < Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all< in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows8 box that they list on the outside of the box for various7 versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've ; called their support line, which is in India, and could not 6 understand him.  I then went on line for their support< services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has lasted for two months now.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:57:15 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com# Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO Q Message-ID: <OF569E4B8D.CDB7A1B0-ON85256FFE.006D6381-85256FFE.006D7434@metso.com>   = GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote on 05/11/2005 02:35:03 PM:    > John Smith wrote:  > > ! > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: I > > > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34 	 > > > PM:  > > > I > > >> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site 
 > > >> at: > > >>B > > >>     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html > > >> > > > @ > > > I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter > > > frustration I postedH > > > a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofF > > > business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an > > > example. > > > G > > > I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the  > > > specific issueF > > > and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue > > > through whatD > > > is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still > > > unresolved.  > > > F > > > I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader > > > problem, viz.,F > > > we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we > > > encounter them.  > > > . > > > I did not get a personal(ized) response. > > K > > See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I wonder  how + > > responsive they'll be in that instance.  > >  > > > Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all> > in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows: > box that they list on the outside of the box for various9 > versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've = > called their support line, which is in India, and could not 8 > understand him.  I then went on line for their support> > services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has > lasted for two months now.  E Merely anecdotal evidence...you must be doing something wrong....  ;)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:11:42 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO , Message-ID: <TOSdndtJUKv9Jh_fRVn-qQ@igs.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: ? > GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote on 05/11/2005 02:35:03 PM:  >  >> John Smith wrote: >>> ! >>> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: H >>>> "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34 >>>> PM: >>>>H >>>>> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site	 >>>>> at:  >>>>> A >>>>>     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html  >>>>>  >>>>? >>>> I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter  >>>> frustration I posted G >>>> a note there last week, more about losing this customer because of E >>>> business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an 
 >>>> example.  >>>>F >>>> I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the >>>> specific issue E >>>> and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue  >>>> through what C >>>> is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still  >>>> unresolved. >>>>E >>>> I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader  >>>> problem, viz., E >>>> we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we  >>>> encounter them. >>>>- >>>> I did not get a personal(ized) response.  >>> D >>> See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I6 >>> wonder how responsive they'll be in that instance. >>>  >>? >> Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all ? >> in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows ; >> box that they list on the outside of the box for various : >> versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've> >> called their support line, which is in India, and could not9 >> understand him.  I then went on line for their support ? >> services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has  >> lasted for two months now.  > G > Merely anecdotal evidence...you must be doing something wrong....  ;)     I Of course we're doing something wrong - we're buying products from HP and E expecting support and resolution to the problems their products have.   1 It's all our fault for being demanding customers.      --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:09:49 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO , Message-ID: <meadnWFNbaJtJx_fRVn-vg@igs.net>   GreyCloud wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >>  >> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:G >>> "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34  >>> PM:  >>> G >>>> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site  >>>> at: >>>>@ >>>>     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html >>>> >>> > >>> I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter >>> frustration I postedF >>> a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofD >>> business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an >>> example. >>> E >>> I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the  >>> specific issueD >>> and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue >>> through whatB >>> is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still >>> unresolved.  >>> D >>> I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader >>> problem, viz.,D >>> we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we >>> encounter them.  >>> , >>> I did not get a personal(ized) response. >>C >> See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I 5 >> wonder how responsive they'll be in that instance.  >> > > > Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all> > in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows: > box that they list on the outside of the box for various9 > versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've = > called their support line, which is in India, and could not 8 > understand him.  I then went on line for their support> > services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has > lasted for two months now.    J Nothing new on that score. I have a D155xi, which is a predecessor to yourH model. Came with a Jetdirect 200m ethernet interface in the box from theK factory. The box says that all functions are supported over the network, so  does the manual.  L Everything works ok except 'print to fax' over the network - never has since2 day one. Not having this function is a royal pain.  5 Call printer and network tech support about 20 times, K install/uninstall/reinstall the latest software about 20 times on different K machines with different MS service packs and os versions. Some tech support J people say that the network functions are provided as a 'courtesy' and areG not supported by HP - if it works consider yourself lucky, if not don't  bitch to HP.  H In my case it's a buggy fax driver that doesn't work. Research has shownG that this has been a common problem since the day this device was first ( sold. HP still has done squat to fix it.  J Funnily enough, my machine was bought brand new less than one year ago andE is under full factory warranty. A registed letter has been sent to HP K advising them of their liability and requesting a new device that functions  as advertised and warranted.  L HP's printer drivers are notoriously buggy. It's damn near impossible to getL a HP multifunction to work properly if you've ever had any HP inkjet printerG previously installed - HP's uninstallers don't completely clean out the K registry and there are conflicts all over the place. I've had to re-install K Windows 2000 and XP on several machines in order to make things right. Even L friends with Mac's experience similar problems and HP printer drivers. Their QC sucks big time.  L Another gotcha - say you have a 7130 at home and one at the office. You haveL to install the same software twice because the install is tied to the serialI number of the printer which is read at install time. The drivers read the J serial number from the printer before it prints for some reason and abortsH if the driver doesn't find the serial number it's expecting. Been there, done that with tech support.         --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:28:48 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com># Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO ( Message-ID: <4282CD70.BA1A2FF7@mist.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > ? > GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote on 05/11/2005 02:35:03 PM:  >  > > John Smith wrote:  > > > # > > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: K > > > > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34  > > > > PM:  > > > > K > > > >> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web site  > > > >> at: > > > >>D > > > >>     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html > > > >> > > > > B > > > > I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter > > > > frustration I postedJ > > > > a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofH > > > > business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an > > > > example. > > > > I > > > > I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the  > > > > specific issueH > > > > and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue > > > > through whatF > > > > is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still > > > > unresolved.  > > > > H > > > > I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader > > > > problem, viz.,H > > > > we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we > > > > encounter them.  > > > > 0 > > > > I did not get a personal(ized) response. > > > M > > > See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I wonder  > how - > > > responsive they'll be in that instance.  > > >  > > @ > > Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all@ > > in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows< > > box that they list on the outside of the box for various; > > versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've ? > > called their support line, which is in India, and could not : > > understand him.  I then went on line for their support@ > > services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has > > lasted for two months now. > G > Merely anecdotal evidence...you must be doing something wrong....  ;)   < I wish I had done something wrong.  Seems to work okay under	 OS X tho.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:41:09 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO 0 Message-ID: <1185k0vmmmupe81@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:  > GreyCloud wrote: >  >>John Smith wrote:  >>  >>>norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >>> G >>>>"Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 09:53:34y >>>>PM:u >>>> >>>>G >>>>>I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web sitea >>>>>at: >>>>>l@ >>>>>    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html >>>>>H >>>>> >>>>I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter >>>>frustration I postedF >>>>a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofD >>>>business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an >>>>example. >>>>E >>>>I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the  >>>>specific issueD >>>>and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue >>>>through whatB >>>>is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still >>>>unresolved.t >>>>D >>>>I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader >>>>problem, viz.,D >>>>we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we >>>>encounter them.E >>>>, >>>>I did not get a personal(ized) response. >>>sC >>>See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. Ia5 >>>wonder how responsive they'll be in that instance.C >>>  >>> >>Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all> >>in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows: >>box that they list on the outside of the box for various9 >>versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've)= >>called their support line, which is in India, and could notm8 >>understand him.  I then went on line for their support> >>services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has >>lasted for two months now. >  >  > L > Nothing new on that score. I have a D155xi, which is a predecessor to yourJ > model. Came with a Jetdirect 200m ethernet interface in the box from theM > factory. The box says that all functions are supported over the network, soe > does the manual. > N > Everything works ok except 'print to fax' over the network - never has since4 > day one. Not having this function is a royal pain. > 7 > Call printer and network tech support about 20 times,aM > install/uninstall/reinstall the latest software about 20 times on different M > machines with different MS service packs and os versions. Some tech supporttL > people say that the network functions are provided as a 'courtesy' and areI > not supported by HP - if it works consider yourself lucky, if not don't  > bitch to HP. > J > In my case it's a buggy fax driver that doesn't work. Research has shownI > that this has been a common problem since the day this device was firstC* > sold. HP still has done squat to fix it. > L > Funnily enough, my machine was bought brand new less than one year ago andG > is under full factory warranty. A registed letter has been sent to HPmM > advising them of their liability and requesting a new device that functionsA > as advertised and warranted. > N > HP's printer drivers are notoriously buggy. It's damn near impossible to getN > a HP multifunction to work properly if you've ever had any HP inkjet printerI > previously installed - HP's uninstallers don't completely clean out thesM > registry and there are conflicts all over the place. I've had to re-installhM > Windows 2000 and XP on several machines in order to make things right. EveniN > friends with Mac's experience similar problems and HP printer drivers. Their > QC sucks big time. > N > Another gotcha - say you have a 7130 at home and one at the office. You haveN > to install the same software twice because the install is tied to the serialK > number of the printer which is read at install time. The drivers read theaL > serial number from the printer before it prints for some reason and abortsJ > if the driver doesn't find the serial number it's expecting. Been there, > done that with tech support.  B Well, they're all good until you have a problem, and the customer E service is good until you don't get good results.  I'm not sure that i there are any certainties.  F However, I've had some good luck with Brother products.  The customer E service speaks rather 'American' english, so it appears that not all TG companies have moved to India.  Then again, maybe I called them during -E the last week before operations were moved to India.  No guarantees. u3 Just giving credit where it's due, at least so far.-   Dave   -- .4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roada Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 23:56:19 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comi& Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4, Message-ID: <d5u63302nao@enews1.newsguy.com>  & toby <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote: > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:? > > I ended up getting 10.4 a lot sooner than I intended to ...g > >eG > > On the Mac specific side, Mail.app is still to underpowered for me.t  I > There's always Thunderbird, which I used to use when I was dealing withr> > huge archives of mail. Now, I just use Mail.app with no real > difficulties (.3, .4).  G I'll continue to use Eudora, I simply wanted to give Mail.app a try.  ItL might use it for a couple of secondary accounts that I wouldn't mind keeping seperate from Eudora.e  * > > ...I think I may actually come to like; > > Dashboard (up until today I thought it sounded stupid).,  I > It can seem toy-ish at first sight (like Aqua itself, for many of us, I E > suppose), but I can also see it being very handy. I already use then> > world clock; it beats my previous solution (web bookmarks toI > http://www.timeanddate.com/ !) More configurability would be nice; manya! > of the presets are too limited.n  G I've changed my mind on Dashboard, it's a resource hog, and potentiallygL dangerous.  People have already figured out how to auto-download and install+ Dashboard Widgets on other peoples systems.a   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 18:49:08 -0700' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au>l& Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Mac OS X 10.4C Message-ID: <1115862548.138477.114490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    heal...@aracnet.com wrote: > ...a >h9 > I've changed my mind on Dashboard, it's a resource hog,v  C The biggest resource hog is the time between keystrokes. The killerdF point of Dashboard is that it can save scads of *human time*, once youG get into the habit of using it. The idea of an instant "overlay" to theoB desktop or HUD - flip on, flip off - is brilliant. So much time isA wasted by juggling overlapping "desk accessories", the millennialo) equivalent of paper shuffling, I suppose.    > and potentiallymF > dangerous.  People have already figured out how to auto-download and install - > Dashboard Widgets on other peoples systems.u  B Quick, unplug the Ethernet! next Dashboard will turn our Macs intoB armies of zombies for spammers and DoS attacks! Unlike other majorC vendors, Apple actually takes security seriously and they also caredA about bad press. You can bet that minor 'vulnerability' was fixed D within hours of the public announcement and is being qualified for a Software Update as we speak...   --Toby   >  > 		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:49:55 GMTe& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency2 Message-ID: <7Brge.5246$TB6.1723@news.cpqcorp.net>   Scott wrote:I > Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'msG > trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  Weh( > generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you! >   E I take it back.  It works on Alpha, but not on Itanium.  I'll play a aH little more (I'm now getting interested since the code in DCL should be  common between Alpha and I64).   -- - John Reagans/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderu Hewlett-Packard Companyc   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:28:00 GMTy& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency2 Message-ID: <Q8sge.5249$ht6.2012@news.cpqcorp.net>   Scott wrote:I > Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'mwG > trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  Weu( > generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you! > G Turns out that newer DCLs (Itanium and newer Alphas than mine) can use lI NAML or NAM blocks.  To get a version that runs on Itanium (and probably c newer Alpha versions), replace  G 5$:             Movl    Prc_L_Inprab(R6),R6     ; get input RAB address B                 Movl    Rab$L_Fab(R6),   R6     ; get FAB from RABH                 Movl    Fab$L_Nam(R6),   R6     ; get NAM block from FABH                 Movzbl  Nam$B_Rsl(R6),   length ; get length of filenameK                 Movl    Nam$L_Rsa(R6),   R6     ; get address of file name.cA                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    status  ; so far so good."   with   5$: >                 Movl    Prc_L_IDFLNK(R6),R6     ; get IDF linkF                 Movl    IDF_L_FILENAME(R6),R6   ; addr of ASCIC/ASCIW  filename8                 Bbs     #IDF_V_RMS_NAM,IDF_W_FLAG(R6),8$A                 Movzwl  (R6)+, length           ; get word lengthn                 brb     9$@ 8$:            Movzbl  (R6)+, length           ; get byte length 9$:yA                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    status  ; so far so good.d     -- R John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderl Hewlett-Packard Companyd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:52:38 -0400e From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine EquivalencyQ Message-ID: <OFF7DEE121.95B692CC-ON85256FFE.006D24E5-85256FFE.006D07ED@metso.com>r  6 Doing this new version on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 yields:  H $ Link /sysexe TEST-PROC,GET-COMMAND-PROC,SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:DCLDEF.STB% %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol: % %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         IDF_V_RMS_NAMi; %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol IDF_V_RMS_NAM referencedr+         in psect $LINKAGE offset %X000000E8:/         in module GET_CURRENT_COMMAND_PROC file # JAM351:[NORM]GET-COMMAND-PROC.OBJ;6h   and bad results.   The original works.   A John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote on 05/11/2005 02:28:00 PM:i   > Scott wrote:K > > Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'm I > > trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  WeI* > > generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you! > > H > Turns out that newer DCLs (Itanium and newer Alphas than mine) can useJ > NAML or NAM blocks.  To get a version that runs on Itanium (and probably  > newer Alpha versions), replace >MI > 5$:             Movl    Prc_L_Inprab(R6),R6     ; get input RAB addressyD >                 Movl    Rab$L_Fab(R6),   R6     ; get FAB from RABJ >                 Movl    Fab$L_Nam(R6),   R6     ; get NAM block from FABJ >                 Movzbl  Nam$B_Rsl(R6),   length ; get length of filenameG >                 Movl    Nam$L_Rsa(R6),   R6     ; get address of file- name.-C >                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    status  ; so far so good.  >r > with >u > 5$: @ >                 Movl    Prc_L_IDFLNK(R6),R6     ; get IDF linkG >                 Movl    IDF_L_FILENAME(R6),R6   ; addr of ASCIC/ASCIWt
 > filename: >                 Bbs     #IDF_V_RMS_NAM,IDF_W_FLAG(R6),8$C >                 Movzwl  (R6)+, length           ; get word lengtho >                 brb     9$B > 8$:            Movzbl  (R6)+, length           ; get byte length > 9$:eC >                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    status  ; so far so good.  >n >  > --
 > John Reagan.1 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:48:09 -0400v' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency0 Message-ID: <1185ke35qu24517@corp.supernews.com>   Scott wrote:I > Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'mlG > trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  Weo( > generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you! >   B Nothing wrong with Macro-32, 1/3 of VMS on the itanic is Macro-32.  D What you should be asking is how to do it without CMEXEC.  Though I I doubt that getting into VMS data structures could be done with a smaller P hammer.i   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roado Vanderbilt, PA  15486e   ------------------------------   Date: 11 May 2005 18:41:19 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3ef1ueF2q4vvU1@individual.net>   ( In article <428250ED.330891A4@mist.com>,% 	GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  > leslie wrote:r >> t% >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:tD >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml >> :5 >> : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near Youc >> : >> AL >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wanting# >> to remove the cap on H-1B visas:- >> -R >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htm? >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limitsu >> 4J >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workersE >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledeF >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel+ >>   discussion at the Library of Congress.  >> sH >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smartG >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense,". >>   Gates said..."b >> cJ >> Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companies. >> such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro: >>  D >>    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c2 >>    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans >>   > < > It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears
 > to be true.c  B It has nothing to do with dumbing down America.  It has more to doE with moral midgets like Gates wanting programmers at McDonalds wages.r   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:37:33 -0600-" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming( Message-ID: <428250ED.330891A4@mist.com>  
 leslie wrote:D > $ > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:C > : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml  > :e4 > : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You > :  > K > That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wantingt" > to remove the cap on H-1B visas: > Q >  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htm > >  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits > I >  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workers-D >   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledE >   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel * >   discussion at the Library of Congress. > G >   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smarteF >   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," >   Gates said..." > I > Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companiess- > such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro:l > C >    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c 1 >    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americanse >   : It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears to be true.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:48:12 GMTuL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)4 Subject: RE: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming6 Message-ID: <00A439DA.105B45A8@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE1E@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>, "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:i- >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.- >-( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C5560E.71623784/ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"J, >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >- >  >u >$ >-----Original Message-----t. >From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul.sture@decus.ch] >Sent: Wed 5/11/2005 7:08 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programmings >=20 >O'Brien Paddy wrote:n >c >OKay, snips >sH >> If you're old enough to remember Tom Lerher (sp? I may be too young): >>=20a   Lehrer.l  = >> Plaigarise, let no one else's work evade your eyes, etc...s >>=20d >.. and publish first! >u. >Yeah, and I think I remember the next bit :-) >tM >Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, so plaigarise, plagairise do ...=s+ >but remember always to call it "research".8 >hM >Yep, I loved his stuff back in the 1960's.  A prof of mathematics in Canada=  >, IIRC.  M In the US.  First at Harvard, then at University of California at Santa Cruz,aH where he taught both math and "History of the American Musical Theatre."   -- Alan-   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 18:31:35 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programmingB Message-ID: <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   GreyCloud wrote: > leslie wrote:a > >u& > > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:E > > : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtmla > > :u6 > > : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You [...]a > < > It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears
 > to be true.     E I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic/6 problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:31:47 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming( Message-ID: <4282CE23.4AD5CCE4@mist.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > * > In article <428250ED.330891A4@mist.com>,. >         GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes: > > leslie wrote:1 > >>' > >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: F > >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml > >> :7 > >> : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near Youn > >> : > >>N > >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wanting% > >> to remove the cap on H-1B visas:t > >>T > >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htmA > >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limitsn > >>L > >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workersG > >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledaH > >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel- > >>   discussion at the Library of Congress.  > >>J > >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smartI > >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense,"- > >>   Gates said..."- > >>L > >> Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companies0 > >> such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro: > >>F > >>    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c4 > >>    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans > >> > >c> > > It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears > > to be true.7 > D > It has nothing to do with dumbing down America.  It has more to doG > with moral midgets like Gates wanting programmers at McDonalds wages.  >   < Bill was at his Seabeck summer home for a week wondering how8 to increase sales of windows and how to get LongHorn out8 faster.  I've heard over the grapevine that he isn't all: that happy with the new graduates these days.  Hard to say what is really going on tho.9 But I do know that a lot of companies are trying to drivee: down wages or even attempting to eliminate pension funds.  United Airlines is one of them.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:05:22 GMTo+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)a4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming6 Message-ID: <muBge.81341$hu5.924@tornado.texas.rr.com>  # GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com) wrote:v; : But I do know that a lot of companies are trying to drivea
 : down wages d : F    http://www.globalpolicy.org/globaliz/econ/2004/0110williampfaff.htm7    In a Shrinking World, Wages Seek the Lowest Level...o  J   "...Ricardo, however, had a second theory, which he called the "iron lawF    of wages." You do not hear much about the iron law, in part becauseF    you wouldn't want to hear about it, and also because experience has5    seemed to prove it untrue. But times are changing.n  G    The iron law of wages is also simple and logical. It says that wagessD    will tend to stabilize at or about subsistence level. That seemedH    inevitable to Ricardo, since while workers are necessary, and so haveI    to be kept alive, they have no hope of any better treatment since theyoH    are infinitely available, replaceable, and generally interchangeable.    B : or even attempting to eliminate pension funds.  United Airlines  : is one of them.e  K   http://www.forbes.com/business/services/2005/05/11/cx_da_0511topnews.htmlF"   The End Of Pensions - Forbes.com     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:07:37 -0400a+ From: "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net>  Subject: PCI NIC+ Message-ID: <uwBge.4148$It1.121@lakeread02>   K Can any COTS PCI NIC be used in an XP1000 running OpenVMS 7.3-2 or is theref$ a particular Compaq/DEC requirement?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:53:44 -0400r' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>e@ Subject: Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executables0 Message-ID: <1184hjgfonvv039@corp.supernews.com>   anguel@web.de wrote: > Hi,. > E > first I know there is a cobol group out there, but I guess that theo! > guys with VMS-Cobol are here :)  > D > I have real DEC text terminals (VT220) attached to a ALPHA machineD > running OpenVMS 7.3. The serial speed is 9600, and all screens are > built as expected. > G > But, when running an executable built from a cobol source, the screent: > is built up like with a 600 baud connection - very slow. > 9 > Any idea why these executables are so in screen output?h > 	 > THANKS!  >   E My experiences with Cobol have all indicated that output is normally oI complete lines, even if most or all is spaces.  Note that the experience e is very minor.  H If you are including large quantities of spaces in the output, well, it H is a character, and must be transmitted just like every other character.  ? Not saying this is the problem, but it is one thing to look at.o  D Set the baud rate of the terminal to some low setting, 110, 300, or G such, then watch the output.  If you see the cursor preceeding lots of t# blanks, that might be your problem.s   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  154864   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 20:30:48 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au@ Subject: Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executablesC Message-ID: <1115868648.326423.230070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E It depends on how the screen is "painted", as this uses buffered io -aE if is done as a full screen then there should be no noticeable delay,PF however if the program does it field by field and the machine is underD heavy load then delays can occur. A worse situation can occur if the program does something like  display customer-idhC perform get-customer-name (an indexed read so maybe a few disk ios)a display customer-namen etc.B I have a vague recollection that the sysgen parameters TTY_BUF andC TTY_ALTYPAHD can be used to control this in some circumstances, buteC that was on a VAX a long time ago, so you had better get more up too date information.>B You can record what goes to the terminal by using $set host /log 0 Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:00:12 GMTh+ From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org>l* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505112351130.66@kd6lvw.ampr.org>  * On Mon, 9 May 2005, Michael Moroney wrote:/ > "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:>A > >> The SMTP client is required to deal with the issue.  As longhH > >> as the first digit is correct, and the SMTP client is compliant, no > >> protocol error can result.s >cH > >However, an RFC 2821 server will NEVER generate such a code, as it is
 > >undefined.  >nL > Wrong.  RFC 2821 does not state 'NEVER' (MUST NOT), but states SHOULD NOT.G > As previously mentioned, a code such as 556 isn't truly undefined, asaG > the client knows from the first digit what to do (and it MUST responddG > correctly to the first digit), and additionally knows from the second>" > digit it's a mail system status.  O All that means is that a client must be able to accept codes that aren't in theeI current set - for future expansion purposes so they won't break.  That inoO itself does not mean that it is acceptable for a server to send the code in thee) absence of some definition for its usage.e  J I'm not arguing that a client may reject it.  It is defined as something a client COULD see.o  H I am stating that no server, under current proposals, will ever send it.I Furthermore, currently, to send it is IMPROPER because it's currently noto( defined as valid as a server's response.  O > >> You really need to quote some text to support your contentions.  Accordingh% > >> to the RFC, you're zero for two.  >tR > >And you fail to understand the term "reserved for expansion and/or future use." > H > You fail to understand the difference between MUST NOT and SHOULD NOT.  L Just where in the RFC does it define the code 556 from the SERVER's point ofJ view?  A client must be able to handle it [if sent], but no server in FULLN COMPLIANCE with the RFC will ever send it - because there's no state where itsG use is defined as proper.  SHOULD NOT is used because the RFC author(s)oN recognize that the Internet is still evolving and some future RFC may define a valid usage.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:05:04 GMT + From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org>g* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505120003160.66@kd6lvw.ampr.org>  * On Mon, 9 May 2005, Michael Moroney wrote:/ > "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:lL > >> Actually, 550, not 554, is designated for rejection for policy reasons. >>Q > >In response to "MAIL FROM:" or "RCPT TO:", 550 is correct.  However, followingm" > >"DATA", 554 is the code to use. > I > RFC 2821 is somewhat ambiguous here.  It lists 550, not 554 as a policy I > reason rejection code.  In the command line sequence portion they don'tPH > list 550 as a possible response (probably because they didn't considerK > policy rejection as a response to a DATA command - that is detecting spam J > or something), but do list it as possible response when discussing errorK > responses to the DATA command.  That's the problem with interpreting manycL > RFCs, many things are ambiguous.  If coding a SMTP server which may rejectL > a message based on some policy reason based on the message data, you mightF > use a 554 response while I might use a 550 response.  That's why the> > clients must be broad in what they accept, both are correct.  L What a client needs to accept and what a server needs to send may not be theG same thing.  The latter is often a subset of the former, not identical.p   ------------------------------    Date: 11 May 2005 17:17:21 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>G Subject: Your VMS Sig (was Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming)sB Message-ID: <1115857041.024081.24980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   John Smith wrote:aA > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtmly [...]    > --D > OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling	 ISV base.k    A Please condiser adding something positive to this. E.g.: The most 3 secure and reliable OS that is never advertised ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:50:55 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>aK Subject: Re: Your VMS Sig (was Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming)i, Message-ID: <ts-dnekc7sscKx_fRVn-uA@igs.net>  
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