1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 264       Contents: Re: /TRANS=TERMINAL  apache log rotation  Re: apache log rotation  Re: apache log rotation  Re: apache log rotation  Re: apache log rotation  BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...] # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) ( Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg?( Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg?" Info-Zip VMS to PC password needed" Info-Zip VMS to PC password needed Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: Letters to the new CEO Re: Letters to the new CEO# Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency # Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming  Re: PCI NIC  Re: PCI NIC  RENDER extension on X-server  Re: RENDER extension on X-server  Re: RENDER extension on X-server! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?  Re: seti on itanium?7 Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executables  Re: VAXen need PWDMIX B Re: Your VMS Sig (was Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 10:24:38 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: /TRANS=TERMINALB Message-ID: <1115918678.155557.56380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > What is the purpose of /TRANS=TERM?  I have heard two stories.  One, it> > saves CPU cycles, since once the corresponding definition is translated, G > it is not necessary to translate it in turn to see if it is a logical  asC > well.  Second, it is to keep, say, a user defining a logical like  DSA100G > if DISK$USER is defined as DSA100, where DSA100 is a real shadow-set,   G > thus giving DISK$USER a bogus definition.  (I know that /NAME=NOALIAS  isD > for this, but that might have been implemented later.)  Of course,8 > perhaps both stories are right, or neither of them is.    C No. /NAME=NOALIAS is to prevent a user from superseding the logical B name. You can still define the equivalence name as another logical name.   # $ DEFINE DISK DSA100: /NAME=NOALIAS  $ DEFINE DSA100 DSA200:   ' This will make DISK point to DSA200: !.   B If you used /TRAN=TERM instead then DISK would point to DSA100: !.  D /TRAN=TERM is also used for logical names that point to logical name tables.        >----o----<   B I always thought the point was to ensure that the equivalence name@ doesn't get translated to something else in case a user would do something like that.  
 Even these  F  "SYS$COMMON" [exec] = "DKA100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" [concealed,terminal]?   "SYS$SPECIFIC" [exec] = "DKA100:[SYS0.]" [concealed,terminal] >   "SYS$SYSROOT" [exec] = "DKA100:[SYS0.]" [concealed,terminal]  C have the terminal attribute, I guess just in case of something like   4 $ DEFINE "DKA100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" something_else !   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:58:11 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: apache log rotation4 Message-ID: <d5vgcj$9oc$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  * How do I do this (VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0) ?< Is there something better than rename & (graceful) restart ?G When I do that, it dutifully opens new logs, but doesn't close the old  6 ones ! They're still locked by the apache$sws process.   Alan Winston's book says.   @sys$startup:apache$config NEW ! followed by"   @sys$startup:apache$config FLUSH  L Seems an odd procedure to contain that function, and when I try it, it says:  $ @sys$startup:apache$config new  4               HP Secure Web Server for OpenVMS Alpha8                                        [based on Apache]  B          This procedure helps you define the operating environment>          required to run the Secure Web Server on this system.  ; ERROR: Do not configure while the servers are still running 9      Please shutdown any servers first, then reconfigure.  %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort   Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 05:51:50 -0700 From: tim.beaudin@hp.com  Subject: Re: apache log rotationC Message-ID: <1115902310.050202.216050@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi,     Does this help?   $ @sys$manager:apache$symbols  $ httpd -k flush   and/or   $ @sys$manager:apache$symbols  $ httpd -k new   Thanks.  Tim        Chris Sharman wrote:, > How do I do this (VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0) ?> > Is there something better than rename & (graceful) restart ?D > When I do that, it dutifully opens new logs, but doesn't close the old 8 > ones ! They're still locked by the apache$sws process. >  > Alan Winston's book says0 >   @sys$startup:apache$config NEW ! followed by$ >   @sys$startup:apache$config FLUSH > E > Seems an odd procedure to contain that function, and when I try it,  it says:" > $ @sys$startup:apache$config new > 6 >               HP Secure Web Server for OpenVMS Alpha: >                                        [based on Apache] > D >          This procedure helps you define the operating environment@ >          required to run the Secure Web Server on this system. > = > ERROR: Do not configure while the servers are still running ; >      Please shutdown any servers first, then reconfigure.  > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > 	 > Thanks,  > Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 05:56:16 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com   Subject: Re: apache log rotationB Message-ID: <1115902576.651739.69630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D purveyor automatically creates a new log on either an hourly, daily,G weekly, monthly or yearly basis depending on what you set it to ... its 3 just like the ronco man, just set it and forget it!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:14:30 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>   Subject: Re: apache log rotation* Message-ID: <428356B6.9080100@bigpond.com>  ) bob@instantwhip.com was overheard to say: F > purveyor automatically creates a new log on either an hourly, daily,I > weekly, monthly or yearly basis depending on what you set it to ... its 5 > just like the ronco man, just set it and forget it!  >  >    Really Boob?  So does WASD.    Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:12:49 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>  Subject: Re: apache log rotation4 Message-ID: <d5vo91$iq5$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   tim.beaudin@hp.com wrote:  >  Does this help? >  > $ @sys$manager:apache$symbols  > $ httpd -k flush >  > and/or >  > $ @sys$manager:apache$symbols  > $ httpd -k new   That's the business - thanks. 8 Did I miss some documentation, or is this undocumented ?   httpd -h  1 knows about a bunch of options, but not that one. 2 Seems like something which ought to be documented.   Thanks,  Chris    > Chris Sharman wrote: > , >>How do I do this (VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0) ?> >>Is there something better than rename & (graceful) restart ?D >>When I do that, it dutifully opens new logs, but doesn't close the >  > old  > 8 >>ones ! They're still locked by the apache$sws process. >> >>Alan Winston's book says0 >>  @sys$startup:apache$config NEW ! followed by$ >>  @sys$startup:apache$config FLUSH >>E >>Seems an odd procedure to contain that function, and when I try it,  > 
 > it says: > " >>$ @sys$startup:apache$config new >>6 >>              HP Secure Web Server for OpenVMS Alpha: >>                                       [based on Apache] >>D >>         This procedure helps you define the operating environment@ >>         required to run the Secure Web Server on this system. >>= >>ERROR: Do not configure while the servers are still running ; >>     Please shutdown any servers first, then reconfigure.  >>%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort >>	 >>Thanks,  >>Chris  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:06:11 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]$ Message-ID: <d602e3$ejj$2@online.de>  I I'm sure it is a known bug that BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...] doesn't behave  H as expected if B: is not a real device but rather B = C[D.] [concealed].) I think this has been around for a while.   % Is there any chance it will be fixed?   D What are other instances when, from a user point of view, B doesn't H behave the same as C[D.]?  One that I can think of is that one can't do < DEFINE E B:[F.] if B is defined as above.  Are there others?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:54:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output), Message-ID: <42836023.96A50D5A@teksavvy.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote: H > I think you might want to reset the terminal emulation of the decterm.  / I tried reset terminal menu option to no avail. > I tried logging out, closing that decterm window, to no avail.B I tried sending it an esc C (hard reset) and while the screen does clear, the problem re-occurs.   C I then exited all decterm windows, which would have also killed the  decterm controller (right ?). I Upon recreating the windows and setting everything, the problem reoccurs.   ' One window has a session on node BIKE.   $ SET HOST VELO  login  start all-in-1* get the index form, screwed up information exit allin1  SHOW TERM is screwed up ) LOGOUT (returning to session on node bike  SHOW TERM is screwed up !   G I have not made any changes to allin1. The index form is an FMS form of C 51 lines length with a scrolled area in it. It has worked for years G without problem. And the seesion worked fine until all of a suddent the  output was mushed up.   H Note, in the first show ter, the owner is JFMEZEI. (note the position of the I on next line) C Second show term owner is "CTERM". Note postion of M on next line).      S$ show term> Terminal: _RTA1:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: JFMEZE IRemote Port Info: BIKE::JFMEZE   H                         IInput:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Pari 0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   51   Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape > gtitostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TaH                         bWrap               Scope              No Remote       E B Hnuproadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FullduA                         pNo Modem           No Local_echo      No  Autobaud     ND gNFlbckrdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_spee>                         dNo Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editin E Pitrprtialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthr P                         uNo Syspassword     SIXEL Graphics     No Soft CharacterI    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           Regis              No Block_mode D    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2F    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        Ansi_Color    VMS Style Inpu  t$ lo 3   JFMEZEI      logged out at 12-MAY-2005 09:46:18.4 , 7%REM-S-END, control returned to node BIKE:: $ show term < sraeJMZE: _FTA14:     Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: CTERH                                                                                M  t:Nne H                         IInput:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Pari 0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   51   Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape > gtitostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TaH                         bWrap               Scope              No Remote       E B Hnuproadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FullduA                         pNo Modem           No Local_echo      No  Autobaud     ND gNFlbckrdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_spee>                         dNo Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editin E Pitrprtialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthr P                         uNo Syspassword     SIXEL Graphics     No Soft CharacterI    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           Regis              No Block_mode D    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2F    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        Ansi_Color    VMS Style Inpu  t$    H SET TERM/INQUIRE resets the terminal and subsequent SHOW TERM are outputD properly. But the second I go back into allin1's index form, it gets screwed again !   7 God forbit I'd have to reboot both machines :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:04:38 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output)2 Message-ID: <agKge.5290$Ga7.3265@news.cpqcorp.net>  C Something in your form is screwing up the terminal.  Did you change + terminal characteristics defaults recently?   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:42836023.96A50D5A@teksavvy.com... > Jeff Cameron wrote: J > > I think you might want to reset the terminal emulation of the decterm. > 1 > I tried reset terminal menu option to no avail. @ > I tried logging out, closing that decterm window, to no avail.D > I tried sending it an esc C (hard reset) and while the screen does > clear, the problem re-occurs.  > E > I then exited all decterm windows, which would have also killed the  > decterm controller (right ?). K > Upon recreating the windows and setting everything, the problem reoccurs.  > ( > One window has a session on node BIKE. > $ SET HOST VELO  > login  > start all-in-1, > get the index form, screwed up information
 > exit allin1  > SHOW TERM is screwed up + > LOGOUT (returning to session on node bike  > SHOW TERM is screwed up !  > I > I have not made any changes to allin1. The index form is an FMS form of E > 51 lines length with a scrolled area in it. It has worked for years I > without problem. And the seesion worked fine until all of a suddent the  > output was mushed up.  > J > Note, in the first show ter, the owner is JFMEZEI. (note the position of > the I on next line) E > Second show term owner is "CTERM". Note postion of M on next line).  >  >  > S$ show term@ > Terminal: _RTA1:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: JFMEZE! > IRemote Port Info: BIKE::JFMEZE  > H >                         IInput:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80	 >    Pari 2 >    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   51 >  > Terminal Characteristics: G >    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape @ > gtitostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TaJ >                         bWrap               Scope              No Remote	 >       E D > Hnuproadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FullduC >                         pNo Modem           No Local_echo      No  > Autobaud     NF > gNFlbckrdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_spee: >                         dNo Commsync        Line Editing > Overstrike editin G > Pitrprtialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthr H >                         uNo Syspassword     SIXEL Graphics     No Soft	 Character K >    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           Regis              No Block_mode F >    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2H >    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        Ansi_Color >    VMS Style Inpu  > t$ lo 5 >   JFMEZEI      logged out at 12-MAY-2005 09:46:18.4 . > 7%REM-S-END, control returned to node BIKE::
 > $ show term > > sraeJMZE: _FTA14:     Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: CTER > 	 >       M  > t:Nne H >                         IInput:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80	 >    Pari 2 >    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   51 >  > Terminal Characteristics: G >    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape @ > gtitostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TaJ >                         bWrap               Scope              No Remote	 >       E D > Hnuproadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FullduC >                         pNo Modem           No Local_echo      No  > Autobaud     NF > gNFlbckrdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_spee: >                         dNo Commsync        Line Editing > Overstrike editin G > Pitrprtialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthr H >                         uNo Syspassword     SIXEL Graphics     No Soft	 Character K >    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           Regis              No Block_mode F >    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2H >    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        Ansi_Color >    VMS Style Inpu  > t$ >  > J > SET TERM/INQUIRE resets the terminal and subsequent SHOW TERM are outputF > properly. But the second I go back into allin1's index form, it gets > screwed again !  > 9 > God forbit I'd have to reboot both machines :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:13:22 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnopt@teksavvy.com>, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output), Message-ID: <42838EAE.FE89E7EE@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote: > E > Something in your form is screwing up the terminal.  Did you change - > terminal characteristics defaults recently?   A Nop. I was logged in, already in all-in-1. Just type a command to G refresh the screen to display newly received messages, and poof, it was D screwed up all of a suddent, inside an image activation which workedE fine for about a week and in the same instance of the image, all of a # sudden, the same screen screws up !     H I can understand some stray characters in a message subject for instanceH screwing up the display. But it shouldn't screw the rest up in the way I posted !   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:38:24 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output)Q Message-ID: <OF59187F44.41BF2781-ON85256FFF.0060F79F-85256FFF.0060BDF7@metso.com>   I JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnopt@teksavvy.com> wrote on 05/12/2005 01:13:22 PM:    > FredK wrote: > > G > > Something in your form is screwing up the terminal.  Did you change / > > terminal characteristics defaults recently?  > C > Nop. I was logged in, already in all-in-1. Just type a command to I > refresh the screen to display newly received messages, and poof, it was F > screwed up all of a suddent, inside an image activation which workedG > fine for about a week and in the same instance of the image, all of a % > sudden, the same screen screws up !  >  > J > I can understand some stray characters in a message subject for instanceJ > screwing up the display. But it shouldn't screw the rest up in the way I
 > posted !0 Maybe overly simple, but check the TAB settings.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:57:12 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com1 Subject: Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg? Q Message-ID: <OF9368DFF6.8F1D85A0-ON85256FFF.0041A8E1-85256FFF.004180F0@metso.com>   I "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote on 05/12/2005 01:25:01  AM:    > Guy C >          has anyone ever suggested adding the /ASCII qualifier to E > DUMP. I know we get both at the moment but there are times when one H > only wants to see what the file looks like in ascii. 80 chars per line > instead of 16 or 32    Does/ $SEARCH/FORM=DUMP/OUT=outfilespec infilespec ""  help you at all?   >  > -- > Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:21:58 GMT ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>1 Subject: Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg? 1 Message-ID: <WLIge.5281$277.231@news.cpqcorp.net>   = "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-jpeTOTqHmyBe@dave2_os2.home.ours...  > Guy C >          has anyone ever suggested adding the /ASCII qualifier to E > DUMP. I know we get both at the moment but there are times when one H > only wants to see what the file looks like in ascii. 80 chars per line > instead of 16 or 32    SMOP...   4 ------------- dump.p -------------------------------  H $file = shift @ARGV or die "Please provide a name for the file to dump";
 $BLOCK = 512;  $LINE = 64; 8 open (FILE,"<$file") or die "Failed to open file $file";
 binmode FILE; - while ($bytes = read FILE, $buffer, $BLOCK) {    $offset=0;   $blocks++;A   printf ("\nVirtual block number %d (%08X), %d (%4X) bytes\n\n", &     $blocks, $blocks, $bytes, $bytes);   while ($offset < $bytes) {+     $_ = substr ( $buffer, $offset, $LINE);      s/[^ -~]/./g; &     printf ("%04X %s\n", $offset, $_);     $offset += $LINE;      }    }  print "\n";   
 Sample usage:    $perl dump.p tmp.exe  3 Virtual block number 1 (00000001), 512 ( 200) bytes   E 0000 ............ ...h............................................... E 0040 ................(...uD..................0.......@............... E 0080 ....................................................$........... E 00C0 ..uD.....TMP.....................................V1.0........... E 0100 .A11-39.................................$....................... E 0140 ............$...................................$............... E 0180 J...................$....(..............................8....... E 01C0 .........................DECC$SHR_001...........................   3 Virtual block number 2 (00000002), 512 ( 200) bytes   E 0000 ........4....&...........................LIBOTS_001.........@... E 0040 ...........................>.SYS$PUBLIC_VECTORS_001............. E 0080 ................................................................ E 00C0 ................................................................  :  <snip>     fwiw,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:55:34 -0400 & From: "Donald Plugge" <plugge@usa.net>+ Subject: Info-Zip VMS to PC password needed 3 Message-ID: <gnIge.271$fZ5.706@mencken.net.nih.gov>   I A lab recently asked me to offload some of their VMS user accounts onto a K PC.  They were interested in saving and accessing text files, mainly.  Some D of these text files were sequencing files from a package called GCG.  K I downloaded the most recent version of Info-Zip, as I had problems with my H older version of Zip crashing on certain binary files.  Info-Zip versionI 2.31 (March 8th 2005) worked like a dream on ALL the data files including / the binary files.  I ran it with the qualifiers   - $ ZIP -ruv {user}.zip {device}:[{user}...]*.*   J I was able to download the resultant zipped folder to the PC and it lookedL fine.  I could traverse the folders while in zip format and see all the dataK in a hierarchical fashion.  However, when I went to extract all the data, I L got about half way through the data and then began getting "password needed"J messages.  Obviously, something in the structure of some of the files mostL have fooled Info-Zip into thinking they were password protected.  Has anyone> run into this problem when going from VMS to PC with Info-Zip?  
 Sincerely, Don    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:11:18 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)+ Subject: Info-Zip VMS to PC password needed 2 Message-ID: <05051208111862_2860027B@antinode.org>  & From: "Donald Plugge" <plugge@usa.net>   > [...] M > I downloaded the most recent version of Info-Zip, as I had problems with my J > older version of Zip crashing on certain binary files.  Info-Zip versionK > 2.31 (March 8th 2005) worked like a dream on ALL the data files including 1 > the binary files.  I ran it with the qualifiers  > / > $ ZIP -ruv {user}.zip {device}:[{user}...]*.*   H    "Didn't explode" and "worked like a dream" may _look_ similar without actually _being_ similar.   L > I was able to download the resultant zipped folder to the PC and it lookedN > fine.  I could traverse the folders while in zip format and see all the dataM > in a hierarchical fashion.  However, when I went to extract all the data, I N > got about half way through the data and then began getting "password needed"L > messages.  Obviously, something in the structure of some of the files mostN > have fooled Info-Zip into thinking they were password protected.  Has anyone@ > run into this problem when going from VMS to PC with Info-Zip?  F    I haven't heard of this one, but if you went past the 2GB file sizeH barrier, then almost anything could go wrong.  How big is that archive? @ Which version of which UnZip program on the PC?  VMS environment4 (VAX/Alpha/IA64, VMS version, ...)?  PC environment?  D    Does UnZip on the VMS system do any better (or even differently)?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:37:17 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card 7 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050512053778f1a637@mail.gmail.com>   7 On 5/11/05, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote: 3 > From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)  >=20L > > Unless the card has a jumper that can disable its internal termination,=  usingK > > both connectors would not be supported.  Each end of a SCSI bus must be L > > terminated, and the card would be adding a terminator in the middle if = you   > > tried using both connectors. >=20H >    Interestingly, the QLogic manual for the corresponding non-DEC card > (QLA1040), >=20G >       ftp://download.qlogic.com/manual/1852/ultra.hw.installguide.pdf  >=20 > says:  >=20 >       CAUTION!H >       You can use any two of the connectors on the QLA1040/1041 boardsL >       (see figures 2-1 and 2-2). Using all three connectors violates the = SCSIF >       specification and can cause your peripheral devices to operate >       incorrectly. >=20 > and: >=20$ >       Setting the SCSI TerminationL >       Termination for the QLA1040/1080/1240/1280 boards is set automatica= lly I >       in most cases. You can change the termination using the Fast!UTIL % >       software (see section A.2.1).  >=20E >   The termination options seem to be "Auto, Enabled, Disabled, High  > only".  Note also: >=20L >       Auto(default). SCSI termination requirements are sensed by the boar= d L >       and set automatically. For example, if you have devices connected t= o L >       J1, J2, or P2, termination is enabled. If you have wide devices con= nected4 >       to J1 and J2 or P2, termination is disabled. >=20H >    Thus, it appears that the required jumper may not be very required. >=20G >    I don't know off-hand what Alt-Q on an Intel system will do with a G > genuine KZPBA-CX, but it might be informative.  What DKDRIVER says to F > the card is yet another mystery, at least to those of us without the > source listings. >=20: >    In any case, reading the manual could be educational. >=20J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >=206 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547   8 The closest I've been able to get was EK-KZPBC-UG. C01 -A KZPBA-CB PCI-to-UltraSCSI Differential Host Adapter User's Guide.    Sorry, it's not a .pdf.   E Putting the adapter in the midle of a SCSI chain is ONLY discussed in D the context of using a Y-cable on the external bulkhead[!] connector< and removing the terminating resistors on the module [card].  F In fact I was surprised to find that the manual does not address usingA both the internal and the external interfaces, but it has been my E experience on several different Alphas that *it* *does* *not* *work*.    WWWebb --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:27:47 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card 2 Message-ID: <d5vslk$b3l$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  : "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in message1 news:8660a3a1050512053778f1a637@mail.gmail.com...   9 >The closest I've been able to get was EK-KZPBC-UG. C01 - B >KZPBA-CB PCI-to-UltraSCSI Differential Host Adapter User's Guide.  G >In fact I was surprised to find that the manual does not address using / >both the internal and the external interfaces,   @ I'm not so surprised in the case of the differential one; you'reE not likely to find bare disks with differential (HVD) drivers anyway.   D My hardcopy version of the KZPBA-CB clearly says not to mix internalF and external connectors. I suspect this is mainly conservatism on DECsN part. However, if you do use both, you're likely to hit the total cable length' fairly quickly (1.5m, by my reckoning).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:34:16 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEO , Message-ID: <FsqdnbpCB6Omoh7fRVn-1A@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >> GreyCloud wrote:  >> >>> John Smith wrote:  >>> " >>>> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >>>>@ >>>>> "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/10/2005 >>>>> 09:53:34 PM: >>>>>  >>>>> D >>>>>> I wrote to Mark Hurd about VMS a few weeks ago via the HP web >>>>>> site at:  >>>>>>A >>>>>>    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html  >>>>>> >>>>> @ >>>>> I have been having an issue with HP services, and in utter >>>>> frustration I postedH >>>>> a note there last week, more about losing this customer because ofF >>>>> business practices, but hitting the high spots of my issue as an >>>>> example. >>>>> G >>>>> I got a response from "Mission Control" asking for details on the  >>>>> specific issueF >>>>> and I sent that along - and I have continued to persue the issue >>>>> through whatD >>>>> is supposed to be the normal channel as well - and it is still >>>>> unresolved.  >>>>> F >>>>> I never got a sense that the any notice was taken of the broader >>>>> problem, viz.,F >>>>> we are less and less likely to do business with HP every time we >>>>> encounter them.  >>>>> . >>>>> I did not get a personal(ized) response. >>>>E >>>> See what happens if you complain about their printers and ink. I 7 >>>> wonder how responsive they'll be in that instance.  >>>> >>> @ >>> Very poor in my experience.  I just purchased a new 7310 all@ >>> in one printer from HP and the install CD for an old windows< >>> box that they list on the outside of the box for various; >>> versions of windows failed to install... it hung.  I've ? >>> called their support line, which is in India, and could not : >>> understand him.  I then went on line for their support@ >>> services with a live chat and still no resolution.  This has >>> lasted for two months now. >> >> >>E >> Nothing new on that score. I have a D155xi, which is a predecessor F >> to your model. Came with a Jetdirect 200m ethernet interface in theF >> box from the factory. The box says that all functions are supported( >> over the network, so does the manual. >>E >> Everything works ok except 'print to fax' over the network - never ? >> has since day one. Not having this function is a royal pain.  >>8 >> Call printer and network tech support about 20 times,D >> install/uninstall/reinstall the latest software about 20 times onF >> different machines with different MS service packs and os versions.G >> Some tech support people say that the network functions are provided E >> as a 'courtesy' and are not supported by HP - if it works consider , >> yourself lucky, if not don't bitch to HP. >>E >> In my case it's a buggy fax driver that doesn't work. Research haseF >> shown that this has been a common problem since the day this device5 >> was first sold. HP still has done squat to fix it.( >>E >> Funnily enough, my machine was bought brand new less than one year(E >> ago and is under full factory warranty. A registed letter has beenSC >> sent to HP advising them of their liability and requesting a newo5 >> device that functions as advertised and warranted.  >>= >> HP's printer drivers are notoriously buggy. It's damn neartG >> impossible to get a HP multifunction to work properly if you've ever E >> had any HP inkjet printer previously installed - HP's uninstallersyF >> don't completely clean out the registry and there are conflicts all@ >> over the place. I've had to re-install Windows 2000 and XP onD >> several machines in order to make things right. Even friends withE >> Mac's experience similar problems and HP printer drivers. Their QCi >> sucks big time. >>F >> Another gotcha - say you have a 7130 at home and one at the office.E >> You have to install the same software twice because the install is D >> tied to the serial number of the printer which is read at installF >> time. The drivers read the serial number from the printer before itC >> prints for some reason and aborts if the driver doesn't find the @ >> serial number it's expecting. Been there, done that with tech >> support.  > C > Well, they're all good until you have a problem, and the customer-F > service is good until you don't get good results.  I'm not sure that > there are any certainties. >aG > However, I've had some good luck with Brother products.  The customer3F > service speaks rather 'American' english, so it appears that not allH > companies have moved to India.  Then again, maybe I called them duringF > the last week before operations were moved to India.  No guarantees.5 > Just giving credit where it's due, at least so far.e    I I too have several Brother printers and their tech support has been fine,,H but then again I'm not using Brother multifunctions - just plain lasers.     --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:16:53 -0400e' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>h# Subject: Re: Letters to the new CEOm0 Message-ID: <118709ssjea2s14@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:o   > K > I too have several Brother printers and their tech support has been fine, J > but then again I'm not using Brother multifunctions - just plain lasers.  H I'm using a multi-function, and the service is good.  Doesn't say much, F because it installed easily, and has worked well.  I did call and ask + some questions.  Very helpful and friendly.-  5 Try that with Panasonic, and you get asked for money.a   -- q4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 07:49:49 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)b, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency3 Message-ID: <eqTAYNysH5+a@eisner.encompasserve.org>!  n In article <1115828104.844708.119250@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Scott" <DocTrinsograce@gmail.com> writes:I > Tom, thank you!  However, is it possible to do this without Macro?  I'meG > trying to avoid Macro in order to ease our transition to Itanium.  Wee( > generally use COBOL and C.  Thank you! >   E    Since it's Macro-32 and the other poster has it running on Alpha, t/    you should have no trouble using it on IA64.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:58:06 GMTN& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS RTL Routine Equivalency2 Message-ID: <ypIge.5279$A17.4640@news.cpqcorp.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >  >  > 8 > Doing this new version on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 yields: > J > $ Link /sysexe TEST-PROC,GET-COMMAND-PROC,SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:DCLDEF.STB' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:q' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         IDF_V_RMS_NAMs= > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol IDF_V_RMS_NAM referenced - >         in psect $LINKAGE offset %X000000E8t1 >         in module GET_CURRENT_COMMAND_PROC filen% > JAM351:[NORM]GET-COMMAND-PROC.OBJ;6- >  > and bad results. >  > The original works.i >   I That is good to know.  I don't have access to many systems with privs so 2A I couldn't verify it.  I got that link error on my V7.2-1 system.   I Without looking at the DCL code again (I can only subject myself to THAT rI so many times), I'll guess that my new alternative would be for V8.2 and t  beyond (until it changes again).   --   John Reagant/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaders Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:47:25 +0000 (UTC)l From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming) Message-ID: <d5vc7t$jb9$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>t  i In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >GreyCloud wrote:$ >> leslie wrote: >> >' >> > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:AF >> > : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml >> > :7 >> > : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near Yout >[...] >>= >> It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appearsR >> to be true. >r >hF >I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic7 >problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh!  >n  : At the risk of exposing my age - The calculator generation  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 12:39:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3eh14cF33h90U1@individual.net>a  ( In article <4282CE23.4AD5CCE4@mist.com>,% 	GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:- > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  + >> In article <428250ED.330891A4@mist.com>, / >>         GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:: >> > leslie wrote: >> >>e( >> >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:G >> >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtmle >> >> :w8 >> >> : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You >> >> :  >> >>nO >> >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wantinge& >> >> to remove the cap on H-1B visas: >> >> U >> >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htmoB >> >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits >> >>/M >> >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workers-H >> >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledI >> >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a paneln. >> >>   discussion at the Library of Congress. >> >> K >> >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smart$J >> >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," >> >>   Gates said..." >> >>sM >> >> Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companiesd1 >> >> such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro:u >> >>hG >> >>    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c 5 >> >>    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americanss >> >>. >> >? >> > It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears) >> > to be true. >>  E >> It has nothing to do with dumbing down America.  It has more to do H >> with moral midgets like Gates wanting programmers at McDonalds wages. >> s > > > Bill was at his Seabeck summer home for a week wondering how: > to increase sales of windows and how to get LongHorn out: > faster.  I've heard over the grapevine that he isn't all< > that happy with the new graduates these days.  Hard to say > what is really going on tho.  B Of course he isn't happy.  They expect to be paid money and are no< longer satisfied to take MS Stock Options in lieu of salary.  ; > But I do know that a lot of companies are trying to drive < > down wages or even attempting to eliminate pension funds. ! > United Airlines is one of them.h  E That's a union problem.  When you pay unskilled labor at professional>B scale you can't expect to survive forever.  The airlines went thruB a period where people were flying everywhere.  Then it became moreA inconvenient and expensive and people (including businesses) have:B cut back.  Now those ridiculous wages they pay people like baggage) handlers are coming back to haunt them.  .   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 12:44:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3eh1e0F33h90U2@individual.net>   B In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:D >  > GreyCloud wrote: >> leslie wrote: >> >' >> > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:eF >> > : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml >> > :7 >> > : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You  > [...]o >>= >> It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appearss >> to be true. >  > G > I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic 8 > problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh! >   F Sorry, that's not a new problem.  25 years ago I remember pulling intoF a gas station in Newburgh, NY.  I bought a tank of gas and 2 quarts ofF oil.  The cash register was out of operation and the local high schoolH student working the register was unable to add the three numbers up evenH using a pencil and paper.  The owner of the station could not understandH my annoyance and lack of patience after a 10 minute wait while the clerkH repeatedly tried to add the numbers never getting the same answer twice.  I We will always have idiots.  It is their expecting to be paid $20/hr thati is causing the problems. o   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:13:17 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming* Message-ID: <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>  . david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say:k > In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >>GreyCloud wrote: >> >>>leslie wrote: >>> & >>>>John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:E >>>>: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtmlh >>>>: 6 >>>>: Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You >> >>[...]  >>= >>>It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears  >>>to be true. >> >>G >>I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetict8 >>problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh! >> >  > < > At the risk of exposing my age - The calculator generation >  > David Webb  > How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use a slide rule? : (I trained as a teacher way back and was absolutely amazed< watching people use calculators and getting absolute rubbish: answers and not knowing that they were absolute rubbish...? they had no idea about how to "guess" what might be reasonable)    Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 14:15:25 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3eh6ntF2vam3U1@individual.net>   * In article <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>,0 	David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:0 > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say:l >> In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >> i >>>GreyCloud wrote:e >>>  >>>>leslie wrote:  >>>>' >>>>>John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:sF >>>>>: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml >>>>>:7 >>>>>: Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You  >>>  >>>[...] >>>d> >>>>It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears >>>>to be true.C >>>  >>> H >>>I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic9 >>>problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh!H >>>R >>   >> t= >> At the risk of exposing my age - The calculator generationi >> s
 >> David Webb  > @ > How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use a
 > slide rule?-  ? Not only know how, still use it once in a while. (Brought it infC for show and tell one day last semester,)  And on top of everythingu' else, the batteries never go dead.  :-).   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:55:58 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming) Message-ID: <d5vqpu$nr7$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>d  Z In article <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:/ >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say:hl >> In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >> r >>>GreyCloud wrote:  >>>  >>>>leslie wrote:n >>>>' >>>>>John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: F >>>>>: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml >>>>>:7 >>>>>: Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near Youo >>>e >>>[...] >>>T> >>>>It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears >>>>to be true.  >>>  >>>oH >>>I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic9 >>>problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh!a >>>  >> d >> h= >> At the risk of exposing my age - The calculator generation, >> o
 >> David Webb. >o? >How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use an >slide rule?  J Actually I think I've still got the Slide Rule, I purchased when I was in ! Junior School, at home somewhere.n    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    ; >(I trained as a teacher way back and was absolutely amazedP= >watching people use calculators and getting absolute rubbish ; >answers and not knowing that they were absolute rubbish... @ >they had no idea about how to "guess" what might be reasonable) >c	 >Regards,  >Dave. >-- E >David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.com E >Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ E >DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmo >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:22:07 -0400 * From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3ehak3F34gf2U1@individual.net>c  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3eh6ntF2vam3U1@individual.net...r, > In article <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>,1 > David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:B1 >> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say: M >>> In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" E$ >>> <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >>A >> How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use a. >> slide rule? >cA > Not only know how, still use it once in a while. (Brought it in E > for show and tell one day last semester,)  And on top of everything ) > else, the batteries never go dead.  :-)  >i > bill  I I still have my High School graduation present - a 40 scale Picket slide 1K rule - and it was well used for many years. I bring it out once in a while  C to show it off but haven't given it serious use since the late 70's    Marty    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:29:24 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>a4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming0 Message-ID: <118711fjgph2ic3@corp.supernews.com>   GreyCloud wrote:  > > Bill was at his Seabeck summer home for a week wondering how: > to increase sales of windows and how to get LongHorn out: > faster.  I've heard over the grapevine that he isn't all< > that happy with the new graduates these days.  Hard to say > what is really going on tho.; > But I do know that a lot of companies are trying to driveN< > down wages or even attempting to eliminate pension funds. ! > United Airlines is one of them.d  C Well, not in the order presented, pensions (defined benefit) are a oA terrible idea.  The company is saying, in the future, we will do  C 'whatever'.  That assumes the company has a future.  It's like the  H warranties, and then the store/business isn't around when you need them.  G Defined contribution is a much better idea.  Once committed, the money  F is yours, and is not dependant upon the employer.  Much better if you H change jobs also.  I guess one argument for defined benefit is employee < retention, but the other side of that is employer retention.  G Gates has only himself to blame for the lack of new graduates that can  H be of use to him.  When I went to school, I learned to write and toggle B in a bootstrap program.  Now all they learn is to insert a CD.  I C learned about how things worked, from the inside, not how to use a vG mouse.  When you dumb down the users of computers, that finds it's way a1 into education, and the spiral feeds upon itself.n  D And now billy boy wants to abandon his original environment, and go  elsewhere to again wreck havoc.d  I Ok, maybe I'm just an old fart railing against the changes I see.  But I pG do believe that some things are being dumbed down, for various reasons.-   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road6 Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 16:45:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3ehfh8F35o06U1@individual.net>f  0 In article <118711fjgph2ic3@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > GreyCloud wrote: > ? >> Bill was at his Seabeck summer home for a week wondering howo; >> to increase sales of windows and how to get LongHorn outf; >> faster.  I've heard over the grapevine that he isn't all = >> that happy with the new graduates these days.  Hard to saye >> what is really going on tho. < >> But I do know that a lot of companies are trying to drive= >> down wages or even attempting to eliminate pension funds. v" >> United Airlines is one of them. > E > Well, not in the order presented, pensions (defined benefit) are a 0C > terrible idea.  The company is saying, in the future, we will do tE > 'whatever'.  That assumes the company has a future.  It's like the 8J > warranties, and then the store/business isn't around when you need them. > I > Defined contribution is a much better idea.  Once committed, the money eH > is yours, and is not dependant upon the employer.  Much better if you J > change jobs also.  I guess one argument for defined benefit is employee > > retention, but the other side of that is employer retention. > I > Gates has only himself to blame for the lack of new graduates that can -J > be of use to him.  When I went to school, I learned to write and toggle D > in a bootstrap program.  Now all they learn is to insert a CD.  I E > learned about how things worked, from the inside, not how to use a .I > mouse.  When you dumb down the users of computers, that finds it's way e3 > into education, and the spiral feeds upon itself.2 > F > And now billy boy wants to abandon his original environment, and go ! > elsewhere to again wreck havoc.w > K > Ok, maybe I'm just an old fart railing against the changes I see.  But I tI > do believe that some things are being dumbed down, for various reasons.   PB Well, speaking as an academic this time (and as one who just spentC a half hour this morning discussing lack of CS enrollments with the B Dean) dumbing down isn't the biggest problem.  The biggest problemG right now is analysts who count the number of high school Linux weeniesBE as "unemployed IT professionals".  This has led to a statistical lack C of meaningful employment in the IT field which has led to a serioussE drop in the number of competent IT people available.  One would thinkLE that this would drive the salaries up but that doesn't seem to be the B case.  Instead, it has driven employers to seek employees overseasB while IT professionals back here end out looking for other trades.C And it's going to get worse before it starts getting better.  As CS.A enrollments drop budgets get cut resulting in smaller departments@4 resulting in less enrollments resulting in..........  E Of course, if you look, there are still good jobs to be found.  There.E are even some that can not be filled either overseas or by an H1. :-).B As much fun as academia is, I have begun giving serious thought toD going back to the real world, even at my age.  I still have at least  one more good decade left in me.   bill   -- .J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   O   ------------------------------   Date: 12 May 2005 16:48:01 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3ehfm0F35o06U2@individual.net>-  + In article <3ehak3F34gf2U1@individual.net>,0- 	"Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> writes:s > 8 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ' > news:3eh6ntF2vam3U1@individual.net...v- >> In article <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>,f2 >> David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:2 >>> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say:N >>>> In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" % >>>> <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >>>ZB >>> How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use a >>> slide rule?. >>B >> Not only know how, still use it once in a while. (Brought it inF >> for show and tell one day last semester,)  And on top of everything* >> else, the batteries never go dead.  :-) >> >> billa > K > I still have my High School graduation present - a 40 scale Picket slide cM > rule - and it was well used for many years. I bring it out once in a while cE > to show it off but haven't given it serious use since the late 70'sb   D My good one is a Picket as well.  Cost me $60.00 back in 1969 and inC those days that was real money. (Hint, it was over one months pay!)o  I never regreted the investment.   bill   -- pJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:36:36 -04008' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>g4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming0 Message-ID: <11871et2t7vh025@corp.supernews.com>   David B Sneddon wrote:  @ > How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use a
 > slide rule? < > (I trained as a teacher way back and was absolutely amazed> > watching people use calculators and getting absolute rubbish< > answers and not knowing that they were absolute rubbish...A > they had no idea about how to "guess" what might be reasonable)m  E Well, if you don't know what you're doing, it's hard to do it right. aH One thing about using a slide rule, you had to understand what you were  doing.  C I heard a conversation recently at the grocery store.  The guy was cI trying to explain to the clerk that if the unit price was under $2, then t how could qty 2 be over $4.s   -- O4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin RoadP Vanderbilt, PA  15486I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:34:07 -0400,? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>  Subject: Re: PCI NIC9 Message-ID: <t6Hge.17861$0i3.1633@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,   You can use the followingo  3 see pricing at http://www.islandco.com/network.html     6 DE500-BA 10/100 Ethernet PCI  (uses 21143 DEC chipset). DE450-CA 10/BNC/AUI PCI uses 21040 DEC chipset/ DE504-BA Quad 10/100 PCI uses 21143 dec chipset & DE600-AA 10/100 PCI Uses Intel chipsetI DE602-AA Dual 10/100 (expandable to 4 port with DE602-BA expansion card)D-? Island IC-DE504-CA 64 Bit QuadEthernet PCI (uses intel chipset)i -- .   David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 314043 Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Skype ID: islandco Fax: 912 201 0402d Email: dbturner@icusc.comE Web: http://www.islandco.com% =====================================a< All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.htmlm  6 "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net> wrote in message% news:uwBge.4148$It1.121@lakeread02...cG > Can any COTS PCI NIC be used in an XP1000 running OpenVMS 7.3-2 or isd there-& > a particular Compaq/DEC requirement? >/ >n   ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 05:22:31 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>c Subject: Re: PCI NICC Message-ID: <1115900551.875434.214520@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>n   stinehelferw wrote: G > Can any COTS PCI NIC be used in an XP1000 running OpenVMS 7.3-2 or isa there & > a particular Compaq/DEC requirement?  D Information is available in a couple places.  Check Section 14.23 of- the OpenVMS FAQ here (scroll down to 14.23) < E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_022.html#supp8 > There is also aIC bit available in the OpenVMS Documentation (V7.2-1 New Features and A Release Notes, Section 2.4) which, interestingly enough, has beenaG removed from the OpenVMS web site (skipping from V7.2 to V7.2-2.. SpaceeF and support reasons, I assume) and is currently available here (Google	 search) < P http://axp3.sv.fh-mannheim.de/vms_html/721final/documentation/ovms_721_nf_rn.txtE >  I've cut and pasted the relevant section below.  If you need a NICeF for a system under hardware support contract then checking with IslandF is a good choice, otherwise if you're a hobbyist and need something onD the cheap then try Ebay as DE500's are often available for under $10A and the DE600 equivalents are often $20 or under (sometimes a bit G more).  These are the only PCI NIC's (AFAIK) that will be recognised bye the SRM on a PCI Alpha system.  !         2.4 Fast Ethernet Support-  B               Support for Compaq's Fast Ethernet Network Interface CardseE               (NICs) based on Intel's i8255x Ethernet controllers has D               been added to the OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2-1 release.@               These NICs replace the end-of-life DE500 family ofB               adapters. These PCI based NICs support 10/100BaseTX,;               100BaseFX, Full Duplex, Half Duplex, and AutoN Negotiation.  E               OpenVMS displays these devices as EIx0 devices, where x  isB               the controller's unit letter. The device drivers for theseuG               devices are SYS$EIDRIVER.EXE for the run-time environment 5               and SYS$EIBTDRIVER.EXE for LAN booting.i  B               The SRM console provides an environment variable forG               setting the mode of operation. The variable is EIx0_MODE,-G               where x is the controller's unit letter. Only newer AlphaeD               platforms will provide console support for these NICs.  )               The supported NICs include:w                 o  DE600-AA NIC-                 o  DE602-AA NIC7                 o  DE602-TA NIC"                 o  DE602-FA NIC:                 DE600-AA NIC  G               The DE600-AA NIC is also known as the NC3123 and is basedbF               on the i82559 Ethernet controller. This is a single portG               NIC using a standard RJ45 connector. This NIC supports 10K<               /100BaseTX, Full Duplex, Half Duplex, and Auto Negotiation.                 DE602-AA NIC  G               The DE602-AA NIC is also known as the NC3131 and is basedeD               on the i82558 Ethernet controller. This is a dual port NICeF               using two standard RJ45 connectors. This NIC supports 10<               /100BaseTX, Full Duplex, Half Duplex, and Auto Negotiation.G               It also provides support for an additional daughter card,tD           which allows one PCI slot to be configured with one of the           following:  #           o  Two 10/100BaseTX ports-  $           o  Four 10/100BaseTX ports  9           o  Two 10/100BaseTX port and one 100BaseFX portu             DE602-TA NIC  C           The DE602-TA NIC daughter card, also known as the NC3132,rD           should be used with the DE602-AA. This is a dual-port cardC           using two standard RJ45 connectors. This card supports 10uE           /100BaseTX, Full Duplex, Half Duplex, and Auto Negotiation.              DE602-FA NIC  C           The DE602-FA NIC daughter card, also known as the NC3133, A           should be used with the DE602-AA. This is a single-portdE           card using one standard SC connector for use with multimode D           fiber. This card supports 100BaseFX, Full Duplex, and Half           Duplex.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:40:17 +0200h' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>m% Subject: RENDER extension on X-servero: Message-ID: <a6e39$42833291$82a1f19e$618@news2.tudelft.nl>   Hi All,>  C Does anyone know if it is possible to get DECWindows server running>* with the RENDER extension on a VMS machine& If yes : Do you need special hardware?  @ Would it be hard to compile it as a dynamical loadable extention for the server?e@ I have no-idea how to do this because in the VMS-documentation IE found only that it should be possible, but no info how the dynamical >< link library should looklike and where it should be located.  @ The reason for asking : I have a program which makes use of the D libXrender library. Porting this library to VMS is straight forward.G When running the program on a VMS CPU using a linux machine as X-servernE it works OK, but it crashes when using the X-server of my VMS box it t crashes.                       Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:59:21 -0400>- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: RENDER extension on X-server , Message-ID: <42836133.89C7EEE5@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote: > J > Is it possible?  Yes.  Is it planned?  No.  What would it take?  UnknownM > (it would need to be researched).  Does it take special hardware?  ProbablyoI > not.  What would it take to have it added as a new feature?  A business K > need such as a major application/customer requirement.  As far as I know,r0 > this is the first time I have heard a request.  " Then the request should really be:  @ WithVMS Xwindows/motif essentially in maintenance mode (not even@ included in the roadmap), the request should be to open up theseH software layers so that customers can add their own plug ins and use the@ VMS specific hooks with the open source versions of X and Motif.  : This way, with all the hooks into the drivers and softwareC available/documents, you wouldn't be bothered whenever new softwareiF comes along on Linux and needs to be ported to VMS. Users could do the( port and integrate it into their system.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:29:44 GMTm* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>) Subject: Re: RENDER extension on X-server 2 Message-ID: <IDKge.5293$Da7.4435@news.cpqcorp.net>  = I would characterize X11/Motif on OpenVMS as being in a stater< of maintenance plus business driven development.  We are not; spending people and time trying to be a competetive desktop < environment against windows and linux.  But we are investing: when there is a business requirement.  Random "it would be3 nice" suggestions do not amount to a business case.d  @ "Opening" up the X11 software isn't "free" we'd need to do a lot< of work to determine what can be made public, what can't be,< plus how to provide a build environment *and* how to package@ it (it is quite a large code base).  What does opening it up get? us?  No real assurance that anyone will actually *do* anything,e> but a new ongoing cost of keeping it up to date.  Plus the new9 headache of dealing with support calls with user-modifiedu graphics components.    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:42836133.89C7EEE5@teksavvy.com... > FredK wrote: > >eL > > Is it possible?  Yes.  Is it planned?  No.  What would it take?  UnknownE > > (it would need to be researched).  Does it take special hardware?' ProbablyK > > not.  What would it take to have it added as a new feature?  A businessdG > > need such as a major application/customer requirement.  As far as I  know,e2 > > this is the first time I have heard a request. >t$ > Then the request should really be: >oB > WithVMS Xwindows/motif essentially in maintenance mode (not evenB > included in the roadmap), the request should be to open up theseJ > software layers so that customers can add their own plug ins and use theB > VMS specific hooks with the open source versions of X and Motif. >t< > This way, with all the hooks into the drivers and softwareE > available/documents, you wouldn't be bothered whenever new softwaremH > comes along on Linux and needs to be ported to VMS. Users could do the* > port and integrate it into their system.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 07:40:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?3 Message-ID: <YZrdMR3EYEcM@eisner.encompasserve.org>>   In article <00A438FA.8F90CDE3@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) writes:g > K > My general plan is to sit in a DECterm on a VMS system, then SSH into thehN > Unix system.  I want to run something on the Unix system that will work withN > my nice VT100-200-300 DECterm in text mode over SSH, and let me use the sameK > actual keys that work with EVE/EDT on the VMS system for the same things.   .    In that case I'd plan on emacs in EDT mode.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:43:42 GMT ( From: "John Hayes" <hayes1966@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: seti on itanium?8: Message-ID: <yYJge.1518$Lu6.64@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>  6 "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message ) news:00A4373A.39474CD1.5@tachysoft.com...R >iJ > I have been a seti@home participant since 2000 and have done 34000 work  > units. >2E > I would like to run it on my itanium system, but there is still no c
 > executable.iL > And I really need to switch to boinc for alpha anyway, since that's where  > they4 > are going.  There is no alpha executable for that. >aJ > Is Burns Fisher still around?  Is anybody at HP involved with seti@home  > anya > more?h >pL > I downloaded the boinc source, but haven't waded through the unixoid build > procedures yet.- >-? > Has anybody made a boinc executable for alpha and/or itanium?n >a > Wayne. >g  4 I would be happy if BOINC was ported to the alpha !!   ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 05:02:22 -0700 From: anguel@web.de @ Subject: Re: Slow screen update with cobol generated executablesB Message-ID: <1115899342.892097.85040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:- > anguel@web.de wrote:E >> I have real DEC text terminals (VT220) attached to a ALPHA machine E >> running OpenVMS 7.3. The serial speed is 9600, and all screens are  >> built as expected.  >>A >> But, when running an executable built from a cobol source, theAA >> screenis built up like with a 600 baud connection - very slow.  > @ > The VT220 terminal is actually a fairly slow terminal in terms! > of processing escape sequences.I   Oh - nice to know.  : > Have you tried putting the VT220 into display of control > characters to see ?e   No, not yet, but I'll try now.  B > Do you know which package is being used to generate the output ?/ > is it a forms management system such as FMS ?a >A= > Or does the program draw the screen completely on its own ?   D The latter one. The screen layout is defined in a SCREEN SECTION and DISPLAYed as a whole.@   Anguel   ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2005 07:58:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)1 Subject: Re: VAXen need PWDMIX3 Message-ID: <c7Xajh8d0Tuh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <873bstrcqf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:w? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:/ > z >> In article <d5oi0p$6n0$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >  oA >>> I'm not so sure.  As a hobbyist, I'm running 7.3 VAX with alltE >>> patches.  I suspect, however, that many VAXes, mainly those ownedaF >>> by paying customers, are running "legacy" apps, where stability is% >>> more important than new features.e > F >>    One new feature that VAXen need is PWDMIX.  I don't care if theyF >>    call it 7.3-2 or 8.2 or 19.25, it's something the security folks >>    keep pressing for. > M > What is that? Mixed case passwords? Dumb idea  that SEEMS to be a good one.n >   H    Mixed case and more special characters.  Just because part of it is aF    dumb idea doesn't stop MS-influenced security folks from asking for    it.  D    It would be really foolish to enforce "3 of 4 sets: upper, lower,D    numeric, or special" when you only really have 3 sets and only 2 F    characters in the last set.  But we would consider enforcing it if &    we had a full choice of all 4 sets.  I    It would also justify the expense of bringing many systems up to date t4    than have long been running unsupported versions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:30:58 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>>K Subject: Re: Your VMS Sig (was Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming) , Message-ID: <42835A91.595523B3@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote:kC > OpenVMS - The best operating system HP owns but never advertises.r  H That would be a good one. You portray VMS positively, while pointing out) its owner isn't leveraging its potential.    > OpenVMS - Never Hurd of it.e  2 That one is very cute as a joke, but not as a sig.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.264 ************************