1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 267       Contents:3 Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS  Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]  Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]  Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...] # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) # Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output) P Edmonton and Region LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Al Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card Re: OpenVMS Pearl  Re: OpenVMS Pearl 
 OpenVMS Pearl  Re: OpenVMS Pearl  Re: OpenVMS Pearl  Re: OpenVMS Pearl P OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter to speak on Software ArchitecturP OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter to speak on WiFi/LAN Security in+ Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming  Question Question - Expanded  Re: Question - Expanded  Re: Question - Expanded  Re: Question - Expanded  TCPIP rejection  Re: TCPIP rejection  Re: TCPIP rejection " Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX( Re: Winning slogan for the License Plate( Re: Winning slogan for the License Plate2 [OT]: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:53:13 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS, Message-ID: <LY6dnd4bTtwzmBjfRVn-pw@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:? > In article <d391276d.0505130404.379d7ba8@posting.google.com>, , > greigaln@netscape.net (Alan Greig) writes: >> >> Couple of quotes: >>G >> "I recently spoke with Ann Livermore, executive VP of the technology H >> solutions group at HP, about what must have been two tough decisions:F >> to pull out of that 10-year Itanium co-development pact with Intel,G >> and to suck it up and offer the Opteron-based systems that customers F >> wanted. Livermore's position was characteristically straightforwardF >> and down to earth: Citing "some great price/performance" with AMD'sG >> technology, she basically said HP needed to give customers what they 	 >> want."  > B >    Somebody tell Ann customers want VMS running on their Pentium
 > laptops.      F If by Pentium you mean x86-64, then yes I concur. If your really meant6 Pentium, I think I'd rather run an Athalon 64 for VMS.   --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:44:16 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]$ Message-ID: <d63ak0$i0u$1@online.de>  D In article <002501c55798$36da9f70$994614ac@wat153>, "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:   H > if you have defined the logical correct (C:[d.]), did you also specify@ > all the translation attribute (AFAIK: CONCEALED and TERMINAL).   Yes, doesn't matter.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 16:56:37 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]C Message-ID: <1116028597.451300.326100@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, > @ > if you have defined the logical correct (C:[d.]), did you also specify @ > all the translation attribute (AFAIK: CONCEALED and TERMINAL). >  > Best regards R. Wingert     B You don't need TERMINAL. In fact, if the disk you use is a logical? name, like DISK$SCRATCH, you have to NOT use terminal. That is,   >     $ DEFINE ROOTDISK DISK$SCRATCH:[SYSTEM.] /TRAN=(CONC,TERM)   will not work.  E In fact, for some purposes you don't even need CONCEALED: It's mostly ) needed to enable you to use commands like   #     $ SET DEFAULT ROOTED_DISK:[dir]    .    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 17:01:25 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]C Message-ID: <1116028885.303280.179900@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > In article <1115954868.447894.103470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ( > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > F > > I meant the backup a:[...] b:[...], etc., works for me. The second) > > thing, define e b:[f.] does not work.  > = > OK.  Below I have a test procedure to explain what I meant.  > E > Actually, I think it CAN SOMETIMES work.  It depends on the default G > directory at the time the BACKUP command is executed.  If the default   F > directory is itself e = b:[f.] and one has [...] as the target, then itD > won't.  What happens is that a bogus 000000.DIR is created, and in thatG > the subdirectories are created, but the non-directory files try to go  to6 > [f.*] and the corresponding directories don't exist. >  [...]  > G > ---------8<----------------------------------------------------------  >  > $  SET VERIFY 
 > $  SET NOON 6 > $  USERNAME = F$EDIT(F$GETJPI("","USERNAME"),"TRIM") > $  SET DEF SYS$SCRATCH > $  SHOW DEFAULT # > $  SHOW LOGICAL DISK$SCRATCH/FULL / > $  CREATE/DIR DISK$SCRATCH:['USERNAME'.A.B.C]  > $  CREATE [.A]A.TXT  > $  CREATE [.A.B]B.TXT  > $  CREATE [.A.B.C]C.TXT  > $  CREATE/DIR [.D] > $  CREATE/DIR [.E]9 > $  BACK/LOG [.A...]*.* [.D...] ! this works as expected  > $  DIR [.A...] > $  DIR [.D...]; > $  DEFINE/TRANS=CONC TEST_DISK DISK$SCRATCH:['USERNAME'.] # > $  SET DEFAULT TEST_DISK:[000000]  > $  SHOW DEFAULT  > $  DIR E.DIRF > $! the following line should do essentially the same as the previous BACKUP7 > $  BACK/LOG DISK$SCRATCH:['USERNAME'.A...]*.* [.E...]  > $  DIR TEST_DISK:[E] > $  DIR [.E...] > $  SET DEFAULT SYS$SCRATCH > $  SET NOVERIFY 	 > $  EXIT     G OK, but this is a very specific situation, and your original post was a  much more general situation.  > OK, so don't use relative dir-specs when you're SET DEFAULT to       rooted_device:[000000]   .    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:48:24 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output)+ Message-ID: <3ekb3sF3hmcdU1@individual.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >...E > The escape sequences in the spam subject cause DECTERM to then have G > problems handling stuff, even as simple as output from SHOW TERM. And H > when you type, characters sometimes don't get displayed, and sometimesE > go on the next line (but the compuet receives the right chartacters A > without any problems, so while on the screen it looks lolke you 6 > mistyped a command, the host sees the right command.   Very interesting,   
 $ esc[0,8]=27  $ write sys$output "''esc'$B"  $ show term   E gives really interesting results in a DECTerm session. Reflection for G Windows has no problems with this at all. SET TERM/INQ (or should I say D "se     tterm/in (with the 'Q' on the next line) - try it you'll seeH what I mean) fixes it though. I wonder what <ESC>$B is supposed to do to DECTerm?   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:39:54 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output)2 Message-ID: <eo7he.5401$xx7.3761@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 I believe that <esc>$B puts the terminal into Kanji mode. 7 So I hope you have the Kanji fonts installed.  It would 5 explain the random junk you are getting.  Try sending : <esc>$A -- which should set it back into ISO Latin-1 mode.      ? "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message % news:3ekb3sF3hmcdU1@individual.net...  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >...G > > The escape sequences in the spam subject cause DECTERM to then have I > > problems handling stuff, even as simple as output from SHOW TERM. And J > > when you type, characters sometimes don't get displayed, and sometimesG > > go on the next line (but the compuet receives the right chartacters C > > without any problems, so while on the screen it looks lolke you 8 > > mistyped a command, the host sees the right command. >  > Very interesting,  >  > $ esc[0,8]=27  > $ write sys$output "''esc'$B" 
 > $ show term  > G > gives really interesting results in a DECTerm session. Reflection for I > Windows has no problems with this at all. SET TERM/INQ (or should I say F > "se     tterm/in (with the 'Q' on the next line) - try it you'll seeJ > what I mean) fixes it though. I wonder what <ESC>$B is supposed to do to
 > DECTerm? >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:45:05 -0400 , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>, Subject: Re: DECterm oddity (mangled output)& Message-ID: <428503C1.15B8430E@hp.com>  : 	Checking a copy of DECSTD 138, the standard that defined F what escape sequences do I find that is defined.  The esc$B is defined$ as designate multibyte graphic set.      Forrest      Peter Weaver wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >...G > > The escape sequences in the spam subject cause DECTERM to then have I > > problems handling stuff, even as simple as output from SHOW TERM. And J > > when you type, characters sometimes don't get displayed, and sometimesG > > go on the next line (but the compuet receives the right chartacters C > > without any problems, so while on the screen it looks lolke you 8 > > mistyped a command, the host sees the right command. >  > Very interesting,  >  > $ esc[0,8]=27  > $ write sys$output "''esc'$B" 
 > $ show term  > G > gives really interesting results in a DECTerm session. Reflection for I > Windows has no problems with this at all. SET TERM/INQ (or should I say F > "se     tterm/in (with the 'Q' on the next line) - try it you'll seeJ > what I mean) fixes it though. I wonder what <ESC>$B is supposed to do to
 > DECTerm? >  > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 11:08:53 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: Edmonton and Region LUG to Host "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Al C Message-ID: <1116007733.794594.260560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C At the invitation of the Encompass Canada Edmonton and Region Local B Users' Group, OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter willA present "OpenVMS on Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha". The @ meeting will take place on Thursday, May 19, at the HP office inC Edmonton, Alberta at 11:45 AM. The Northern Alberta IT and business 0 communities are cordially invited to this event.  E Mr. Gezelter will speak on the technical issues involved in migrating C to OpenVMS on HP's Integrity servers. With the advent of OpenVMS on D Integrity, OpenVMS users are undertaking a migration process that isG similar to, yet significantly easier than, the transition that occurred > a dozen years ago with the advent of the Alpha RISC processor.  G The strong similarities between the Alpha and Itanium 64-bit processors D substantially simplify the migration, in contrast to the differencesC between 32-bit VAX and 64-bit Alpha. Transitioning from Alpha-based ? systems to Integrity servers is straightforward with the proper 	 approach.   C Details about the location and scheduling of this session, together ' with RSVP information, can be found at:   D http://www.rlgsc.com/encompass-canada/edmonton/2005-05/announce.html  F That evening, at 6:00 PM, Mr. Gezelter will present "Safe Computing inB the Age of Ubiquitous Connectivity" under the auspices of the IEEEG Northern Canada Computer Society. Details about the evening session can  be found at:  8 http://www.rlgsc.com/ieee/edmonton/2005-05/announce.html   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 12:47:12 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: KZPBA-CA Scsi Card 3 Message-ID: <uLcsgwpDtaDf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <U9wge.1152$LO1.634@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@nospam.net> writes: J > Yep, been there done that, did NOT like the results  Seemed to work for E > awhile but in the end the "internal" device had to be disconnected.  >  > jp >  > Chris wrote:J >> My guess is that the replacement disks were slightly different than theO >> originals, and have extended the effective length of the SCSI bus beyond its J >> capability.  I agree with Sir William, don't use the external connector1 >> unless you have almost nothing else on the bus   D Had similar results.  I had one drive on the internal connector, andF four on the extrernal via a disk shelf.  Replaced one of the disks in H the shelf (populated with 9G RZ2DD disks) with a 36G and started gettingH odd bus resets and hangs (not all at once mind you, only when I stressedF the bus, say with a full backup).  Thought it was a 36G vs 9G incompatE problem and removed the 36G.  Later the internal disk went bad, so I  G replaced it with one on the shelf, disconnecting the internal connector ) completely.  Haven't seen an error since.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:50:42 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl, Message-ID: <j96dncTglJeLmBjfRVn-2g@igs.net>  1 > http://www.infoconomy.com/pages/group106391.adp  > D > It is only now that HP seems finally to be working out a long-termD > plan for OpenVMS. The three-year long project to port OpenVMS fromE > the dying Alpha chip to Itanium 2 was completed in January 2005. To G > coincide with the launch, HP announced some key software ports to the F > platform, including Computer Associates Unicenter Console Management" > and IBM's WebSphere MQ software.    H AH, so it's not only people in c.o.v who have the impression that HP hasH been comatose about VMS. And that impression is engendered in the buying4 public's mind through the lack of advertising of VMS       --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:56:52 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl3 Message-ID: <2C7he.1745$g4.31018@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   8 <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message de= news:1116013439.134832.268600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >  > Dear NewsGroup, I > This is the Pearl from today, I am at home recovering from surgery so I $ > maybe a little slow in responding. > sue  >  >  > Dear Distribution Lists, > C > The following is a very nice article in Infoconomy, it includes a E > timeline and roadmap, its good for HP and good for OpenVMS.  Please D > make sure to visit the web page so that the publisher can see that. > there is plenty of interest, thanks so much. >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue  >  >  > 1 > http://www.infoconomy.com/pages/group106391.adp  >     % Great article, same 411,000 number...   ! Where does that number come from?   J I like this citation:  "Anyone who knows the difference can tell [OpenVMS] is a work of art."   Have a nice weekend !    --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 12:43:59 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com  Subject: OpenVMS PearlC Message-ID: <1116013439.134832.268600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dear NewsGroup, G This is the Pearl from today, I am at home recovering from surgery so I " maybe a little slow in responding. sue      Dear Distribution Lists,  A The following is a very nice article in Infoconomy, it includes a C timeline and roadmap, its good for HP and good for OpenVMS.  Please B make sure to visit the web page so that the publisher can see that, there is plenty of interest, thanks so much.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue       / http://www.infoconomy.com/pages/group106391.adp   G It is only now that HP seems finally to be working out a long-term plan G for OpenVMS. The three-year long project to port OpenVMS from the dying G Alpha chip to Itanium 2 was completed in January 2005. To coincide with A the launch, HP announced some key software ports to the platform, D including Computer Associates Unicenter Console Management and IBM's WebSphere MQ software.  E .....Derek Eaton is head of IT at the Police Mutual Assurance Society D (PMAS), which runs most of its services, including a new Child TrustC Fund, off OpenVMS. "If you had to choose an operating system to bet E your mortgage on in terms of that machine being available 24x7, where 9 would you put your money? I'd still bet on VMS," he says.   E While he says he has no particular emotional attachment to OpenVMS or E any brand of operating system, Eaton still says it would be difficult @ to "find an IT manager who lies in bed at night wondering if his3 OpenVMS system will be available the next morning."       G ..... With HP facing a potential change in direction under new CEO Mark G Hurd, OpenVMS is again at a crossroads. But its heavyweight supporters, G which have helped rebuild the momentum behind the operating system, are  unlikely to let it slow.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 14:08:28 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: OpenVMS PearlB Message-ID: <1116018508.316761.29230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  3 good article except he states that if itanium would 1 fail that that would spell the demise of vms, but / now that vms has proved itself easily portable, 4 it could be then ported to opteron or intel chip ...2 if HP did not port vms, they would have a bunch of0 very angry customers who would never buy another1 HP product (printer) again, so they would have to 8 either port it or sell it with the new owner porting it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:40:02 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl0 Message-ID: <118ai5dk3bv9cc1@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:5 > good article except he states that if itanium would 3 > fail that that would spell the demise of vms, but 1 > now that vms has proved itself easily portable, 6 > it could be then ported to opteron or intel chip ...4 > if HP did not port vms, they would have a bunch of2 > very angry customers who would never buy another3 > HP product (printer) again, so they would have to : > either port it or sell it with the new owner porting it. >   7 I really don't like mixing rain and parades.  However,  ( 'head-in-the-sand' is also not in favor.  G The use of the term "have to" in the above seems more a wish or desire  H than anything with any substance.  Please explain the real world forces > that would make "have to" anything more than a wish or desire.  H I'd think that Sue's poll for a licanse plate would have some chance of G getting participation from most of the visitors to this forum.  If so,  I and the number of voters toping out at around 500 is about 25% of what I  H would have expected.  If there are only 500 VMS bigots left, things are + worse than I thought (Ok, hoped) they were.   G What HP 'has' to do, is whatever HP's board and management decide they   will do.  E I don't think I will ever throw in the towel, but I'm wondering what   future uses I may have for it.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 20:26:14 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl3 Message-ID: <+9h7ilvbwSbE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <118ai5dk3bv9cc1@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  J > I'd think that Sue's poll for a licanse plate would have some chance of I > getting participation from most of the visitors to this forum.  If so,  K > and the number of voters toping out at around 500 is about 25% of what I  J > would have expected.  If there are only 500 VMS bigots left, things are - > worse than I thought (Ok, hoped) they were.   F There is no rule that somebody liking VMS cannot also have a real job.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 11:03:55 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter to speak on Software Architectur C Message-ID: <1116007435.777974.201140@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Robert Gezelter, CSA, CSE, CDP, a Contributing Editor for OpenVMS.org,? will present "Architectural Techniques for Interoperability and @ Coexistence" on Wednesday, March 18, 2005 at 6:30 PM in Calgary,B Alberta. This session is hosted by the Software Quality DiscussionF Group (http://www.software-quality.ab.ca/about.html). The IT community) in the Calgary area is invited to attend.   G Mr. Gezelter will examine how systems and software architectures enable F long system life. Good architectures eliminate the need for expensive,G on-going revisions. Good architecture also enables systems to evolve to G additional tasks and missions without incompatible changes. Systems can C operate efficiently for decades without any architectural revision. G When revisions are needed, they are easily integrated with the existing 
 structure.  D The full abstract and location of this presentation can be found at:  7 http://www.rlgsc.com/ieee/Calgary/2005-05/announce.html   F This presentation is made possible by the support of the IEEE Computer* Society's Distinguished Visitor's Program.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 11:11:24 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter to speak on WiFi/LAN Security in C Message-ID: <1116007884.098109.181470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F Robert Gezelter, CSA, CSE, CDP, a Contributing Editor for OpenVMS.org,F will present "Safe Computing in the Age of Ubiquitous Connectivity" onF Thursday, March 19, 2005 at 6:00 PM in Edmonton, Alberta. The NorthernA Alberta IT and business communities are cordially invited to this  event.  G Mr. Gezelter will speak on the technical and management issues that are D brought to the fore by the increasing availability of communicationsC connectivity. He will address the use of wired and wireless network B access, both within the organization and through the use of public access points.  D The full abstract and location of this presentation can be found at:  8 http://www.rlgsc.com/ieee/Edmonton/2005-05/announce.html  F This presentation is made possible by the support of the IEEE Computer* Society's Distinguished Visitor's Program.  D Earlier that day, at 11:45 AM, Mr. Gezelter will present "OpenVMS onA Integrity Servers: Migrating from Alpha" at the invitation of the F Encompass Canada Edmonton and Region Local Users' Group. Details about& this luncheon session can be found at:  D http://www.rlgsc.com/encompass-canada/edmonton/2005-05/announce.html   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 12:58:52 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming3 Message-ID: <9QwVKwWe0Tiw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <4282CE23.4AD5CCE4@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  + >> In article <428250ED.330891A4@mist.com>, / >>         GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  >> > leslie wrote: >> >> ( >> >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:G >> >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml  >> >> : 8 >> >> : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You >> >> :  >> >> O >> >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wanting & >> >> to remove the cap on H-1B visas: >> >> U >> >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htm B >> >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits >> >> M >> >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workers H >> >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledI >> >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel . >> >>   discussion at the Library of Congress. >> >> K >> >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smart J >> >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," >> >>   Gates said..." >> >> M >> >> Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companies 1 >> >> such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro:  >> >> G >> >>    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c 5 >> >>    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans  >> >>  >> >? >> > It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears  >> > to be true. >>  E >> It has nothing to do with dumbing down America.  It has more to do H >> with moral midgets like Gates wanting programmers at McDonalds wages. >>   > > > Bill was at his Seabeck summer home for a week wondering how: > to increase sales of windows and how to get LongHorn out: > faster.  I've heard over the grapevine that he isn't all< > that happy with the new graduates these days.  Hard to say > what is really going on tho.  A And Billy only has himself to blame for the lack of good computer B science grads.  Too many years playing with, and being trained on,B the cartoon programming platform, and he wonders why he can't find5 programmers with good critical thinking capabilities?    Can I get a Hhrrumph?   	 Hhrrumph!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:51:22 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming( Message-ID: <4285215A.3891B6BF@mist.com>   Marty Kuhrt wrote: > O > In article <4282CE23.4AD5CCE4@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>- > >> In article <428250ED.330891A4@mist.com>, 1 > >>         GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  > >> > leslie wrote: > >> >> * > >> >> John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:I > >> >> : http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml 	 > >> >> : : > >> >> : Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You	 > >> >> :  > >> >> Q > >> >> That doesn't have near the impact on the job market as Bill Gates wanting ( > >> >> to remove the cap on H-1B visas: > >> >> W > >> >>  http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/27/technology/microsoft_visalimits.reut/index.htm D > >> >>  Microsoft's Gates calls for an end to U.S. tech visa limits > >> >> O > >> >>  "...Microsoft (Research) is having a hard time finding skilled workers J > >> >>   within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilledK > >> >>   workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel 0 > >> >>   discussion at the Library of Congress. > >> >> M > >> >>   "The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smart L > >> >>   people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," > >> >>   Gates said..." > >> >> O > >> >> Many H-1B and L-1 visa holders are employees of the Indian IT companies 3 > >> >> such as Tata Consulting Services and Wipro:  > >> >> I > >> >>    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8566322.htm?1c 7 > >> >>    Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans  > >> >>  > >> >A > >> > It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears  > >> > to be true. > >>G > >> It has nothing to do with dumbing down America.  It has more to do J > >> with moral midgets like Gates wanting programmers at McDonalds wages. > >> > > @ > > Bill was at his Seabeck summer home for a week wondering how< > > to increase sales of windows and how to get LongHorn out< > > faster.  I've heard over the grapevine that he isn't all> > > that happy with the new graduates these days.  Hard to say  > > what is really going on tho. > C > And Billy only has himself to blame for the lack of good computer D > science grads.  Too many years playing with, and being trained on,D > the cartoon programming platform, and he wonders why he can't find7 > programmers with good critical thinking capabilities?  >  > Can I get a Hhrrumph?  >  > Hhrrumph!    :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:59:05 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>  Subject: Question 5 Message-ID: <d630u9$isu$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   F I have one file that is sorted by userid (8 characters) 814 items, no > duplicates. The other file contains webusage listings of otherG information but does contain userid's. i need to use the first file as  + my input file and search the second file to H find any id's in the first file that are not found in the larger second ) file. Any ideas on how to accomplish this  quickly?   Thanks,  Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:04:14 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>  Subject: Question - Expanded5 Message-ID: <d6317u$j64$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   E The idea is to search the weblog files against the current user list  4 file and determine which users have not accessed the  system for the past ???? months.   Thanks,  Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:32:17 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>   Subject: Re: Question - Expanded1 Message-ID: <-IGdnaJ4A4hOkxjfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>    Chuck Aaron wrote:G > The idea is to search the weblog files against the current user list  6 > file and determine which users have not accessed the" > system for the past ???? months.  4 Use the SORT/MERGE utility with specification files.  I It has been a few years since I did something like that, so my memory is   a bit rusty.   It will take multiple passes.   ? First sort the weblog by users and remove duplicates.  Use the  F specification file to reformat the output to a common format with the F current user list, but having a field that indicates that it is a web 
 log entry.  G Then sort the userlist to put it in the order and record format with a  : blank field that indicates that it is not a web log entry.  D Then merge the two lists together.  Use of specification files will F allow you to extract all the users that do not have duplicate entries  and have a web log entry.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:46:34 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>   Subject: Re: Question - Expanded5 Message-ID: <d633na$kfh$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   F Does anyone have examples of the sort/merge as I have not used it and  documentation is limited.    Thanks,  Chuck    John E. Malmberg wrote:    > Chuck Aaron wrote: > H >> The idea is to search the weblog files against the current user list 7 >> file and determine which users have not accessed the # >> system for the past ???? months.  >  > 6 > Use the SORT/MERGE utility with specification files. > H > It has been a few years since I did something like that, so my memory  > is a bit rusty.  >  > It will take multiple passes.  > A > First sort the weblog by users and remove duplicates.  Use the  H > specification file to reformat the output to a common format with the H > current user list, but having a field that indicates that it is a web  > log entry. > I > Then sort the userlist to put it in the order and record format with a  < > blank field that indicates that it is not a web log entry. > F > Then merge the two lists together.  Use of specification files will H > allow you to extract all the users that do not have duplicate entries  > and have a web log entry.  >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 16:55:39 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)   Subject: Re: Question - Expanded- Message-ID: <aO4DAEqwbP8z@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   - Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: H > Does anyone have examples of the sort/merge as I have not used it and  > documentation is limited.   $ Complete documentation is here . . .  - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82_index.html   / Documentation on the SORT command is here . . .   D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6489/6489pro_020.html#sort_ch     --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:31:14 GMT , From: "Ransom Fitch" <rlf_vms@earthlink.net> Subject: TCPIP rejection@ Message-ID: <mFbhe.273$X92.214@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>  
 Hello COV-  L Trying to configure MAIL.  When a message is attempting to come in I get an  OPCOM message:  G INTERnet ACP SMTP Reject Request - IP address access list - from Host: p
 20x.xx.xxx.xxr  J I'm sure there is a setting for accepting/rejecting IP addresses, but I'm  not finding it.a     environment: OVMS v7.3-1 AXPd Compaq TCP/IP v5.3   Any help is appreciated.   Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 04:51:18 +0200i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: TCPIP rejection; Message-ID: <428567a6.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  + Ransom Fitch <rlf_vms@earthlink.net> wrote: F > Trying to configure MAIL.  When a message is attempting to come in I > get an OPCOM message:  > I > INTERnet ACP SMTP Reject Request - IP address access list - from Host: I > 20x.xx.xxx.xx  > G > I'm sure there is a setting for accepting/rejecting IP addresses, but  > I'm not finding it.t >  > environment: > OVMS v7.3-1 AXPg > Compaq TCP/IP v5.3  H Each service in TCP/IP has accept/reject lists (see $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICEI xxx /FULL). TCP/IP v5.4 also has anti-spam Bad-Clients/Good-Clients lists-G (in file TCPIP$COMMON:SMTP.CONFIG) - I think, however, that v5.3 didn't 
 have them.   cu,c   Martin -- R@                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:55:55 -0400n. From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: TCPIP rejection- Message-ID: <428576B0.158544DE@vaxination.ca>e   Martin Vorlaender wrote:J > Each service in TCP/IP has accept/reject lists (see $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICEK > xxx /FULL). TCP/IP v5.4 also has anti-spam Bad-Clients/Good-Clients listsdI > (in file TCPIP$COMMON:SMTP.CONFIG) - I think, however, that v5.3 didn'tg > have them.  ? 5.3 has support for good clients, bad clients, as well as RBLs.      You need to look at:   TCPIP SHOW COMM /SECURITYP  6 This can block hosts/network at the TCPIP stack level.   SHOW SERV SMTP  3 This can block hosts/networks at the port 25 level.n  G and the SMTP configuration file in TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON: directory also as # the good clients bad clients lists.-   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 12:55:42 -0700 From: sean@obanion.uso+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXCC Message-ID: <1116014142.270400.204320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   B Conversational boot only changes the values in memeory, but the CDC should not try to start a cluster node anayway, so I must be wrong.v  G But as pointed out elsewhere, you might set the boot flag at "0,0,0" orn
 even omit it.t  G And a 6640 may take awhile to boot from a HSJ served CD.  The closest I-C recall that I've used was a 6610, I would wouldn't even check on itaC more than every 30 minutes when it was booting.  Give it an hour or- two...     Sean   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1116001809.391465.240280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  > 	sean@obanion.us writes:E > > I think the 1GB limitation as for booting from a local SCSI disk,K8 > > because the firmware couldn't count blocks past 1GB. > > D > > I would check the cluster related parameters like EXPECTED_VOTES; > > (probably should be 1 at the moment) and VOTES (ditto).  > A > I think you need VMS installed first.  I am just trying to booti$ > from the install CD at the moment. >s > Must be because it's friday. >s > bill >e > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Threer wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 13 May 05 17:02:53 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)a+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXg! Message-ID: <1WCn9mP08KHT@wvnvms>n  V In article <3ejqaeF3gvvaU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > OK, on to the next problem.  > A > I can now see devices.  But apparently, not boot from them. :-)l     Are both path A and B up?       F > Here is some output.  I have repeated this about a half dozen times.4 > It sure isn't like booting one of ny VS3100's  :-) >  > P00>>> sh devs. > polling for units on cixcd0, slot 3, xmi0...3 > dua1.2.0.3.0       $1$DUA1 (HSJ002)          HSX103 > dua41.2.0.3.0      $1$DKA41 (HSJ002)        RRD46i > P00>>> boot dua41.2.0.3.0i > Initializing...o > H > F   E   D   C   B   A   9   8   7   6   5   4   3   2   1   0   NODE #E >                             A   M   .   .   .   P   P   P   P   TYP-E >                             o   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST1TE >                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD E >                             o   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST2UE >                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD E >                             +   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST3 E >                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD] > J >     +   .   .   .   .   .   +   .   .   .   .   +   .   +       C0 XMI +D > .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C1D > .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C2D > .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C3 > E >                             .  A0   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   ILV G >                             . 512   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   512MBt > J > Firmware Rev = S4.4-4857      SROM Rev = S3.1-0      SYS SN = NI525N9935    D What is this machine supposed to be?  It is not a VAX 6640.  Are youG sure it hasn't been upgraded to an Alpha or a VAX 7xxx (I have not seen1G either at the console level, but I do know what a VAX 6xxx looks like)?j      	 > P00>>> o > Booting...) > Connecting to boot device dua41.2.0.3.0i > Created device: dua41.2.0.3.0.1 > block 0 of dua41.2.0.3.0 is  a valid boot blocke& > reading 87 blocks from dua41.2.0.3.0 > bootstrap code read in > base = 154000, start = 200" > boot device name = dua41.2.0.3.0 > boot flags  0,2,0  > boot device type = 20  > controller ID = ae > unit number = 41
 > node ID = 2t
 > channel = 0 
 > slot = 3
 > hose = 0  > jumping to bootstrap at 154200 > ' > -------------------------------------  > 2 > And there it sits.  Until I hit ^P.  Then I get. >  >  > - > CPU:0 Console entry reason: ^P or Node Haltr > + > Entry PC: 00154E07     Entry PSL:041F0200o >  > P00>>> ^Co > P00>>> sh devi. > polling for units on cixcd0, slot 3, xmi0... > Resetting IO subsystem...h > P00>>>   sh devi. > polling for units on cixcd0, slot 3, xmi0...3 > dua1.2.0.3.0       $1$DUA1 (HSJ002)          HSX1-3 > dua41.2.0.3.0      $1$DKA41 (HSJ002)        RRD46a > 1 > Well, at least my devices are still there.  :-(  > E > Is there some bootflag I need to add either because of the model orm% > maybe because it's booting from CI?   G You need to set the values to whatever (for the model machine you have)7. which will boot standalone backup from the CD.     George Cooki WVNETj   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:35:14 GMTi/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> + Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXL7 Message-ID: <CY9he.18965$eU.15806@twister.nyroc.rr.com>l  7 "George Cook" <cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> wrote in message n news:1WCn9mP08KHT@wvnvms... E > In article <3ejqaeF3gvvaU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill n > Gunshannon) writes:n >> OK, on to the next problem. >>B >> I can now see devices.  But apparently, not boot from them. :-) >e >i > Are both path A and B up?o >  >  >tG >> Here is some output.  I have repeated this about a half dozen times.r5 >> It sure isn't like booting one of ny VS3100's  :-)  >> >> P00>>> sh dev/ >> polling for units on cixcd0, slot 3, xmi0...s4 >> dua1.2.0.3.0       $1$DUA1 (HSJ002)          HSX14 >> dua41.2.0.3.0      $1$DKA41 (HSJ002)        RRD46 >> P00>>> boot dua41.2.0.3.0 >> Initializing... >>I >> F   E   D   C   B   A   9   8   7   6   5   4   3   2   1   0   NODE #sF >>                             A   M   .   .   .   P   P   P   P   TYPF >>                             o   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST1F >>                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPDF >>                             o   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST2F >>                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPDF >>                             +   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST3F >>                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD >>K >>     +   .   .   .   .   .   +   .   .   .   .   +   .   +       C0 XMI +fE >> .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C1hE >> .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C2 E >> .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C3  >>F >>                             .  A0   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   ILVH >>                             . 512   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   512MB >>K >> Firmware Rev = S4.4-4857      SROM Rev = S3.1-0      SYS SN = NI525N9935t >  > F > What is this machine supposed to be?  It is not a VAX 6640.  Are youI > sure it hasn't been upgraded to an Alpha or a VAX 7xxx (I have not seengI > either at the console level, but I do know what a VAX 6xxx looks like)?  >    It's a VAX 7640.   >g >s	 >> P00>>>E
 >> Booting...R* >> Connecting to boot device dua41.2.0.3.0  >> Created device: dua41.2.0.3.02 >> block 0 of dua41.2.0.3.0 is  a valid boot block' >> reading 87 blocks from dua41.2.0.3.0I >> bootstrap code read ino >> base = 154000, start = 200o# >> boot device name = dua41.2.0.3.0  >> boot flags  0,2,0 >> boot device type = 20 >> controller ID = a >> unit number = 41s >> node ID = 2 >> channel = 0 >> slot = 3  >> hose = 0y! >> jumping to bootstrap at 154200z >>( >> ------------------------------------- >>3 >> And there it sits.  Until I hit ^P.  Then I get.i >> >> >>. >> CPU:0 Console entry reason: ^P or Node Halt >>, >> Entry PC: 00154E07     Entry PSL:041F0200 >> >> P00>>> ^C >> P00>>> sh dev/ >> polling for units on cixcd0, slot 3, xmi0...i >> Resetting IO subsystem... >> P00>>>   sh dev/ >> polling for units on cixcd0, slot 3, xmi0... 4 >> dua1.2.0.3.0       $1$DUA1 (HSJ002)          HSX14 >> dua41.2.0.3.0      $1$DKA41 (HSJ002)        RRD46 >>2 >> Well, at least my devices are still there.  :-( >>F >> Is there some bootflag I need to add either because of the model or& >> maybe because it's booting from CI? >gI > You need to set the values to whatever (for the model machine you have)u0 > which will boot standalone backup from the CD.  7 Not knowing if you can boot the CD on the HSJ, I'd try:e   >>set boot_osflags 0,1,0 >>boot dua41.2.0.3.0  8 One poster mentioned that this would take a long time...  L Assuming it does boot to the VAX  installation menu, enter "1" for "Execute  DCL commands".  0 Then $BACKUP/IMAGE  cdrom:VMS073.B/SAVE hsjdisk:  K One this is done, shutdown the system, set the boot_osflags to 0,0,0, then t1 boot to the hsjdisk to complete the installation.n   -Jeffd   >  >t
 > George Cookg > WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:29:26 -0400n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Winning slogan for the License Plate , Message-ID: <h-CdnaCWiqsW_xjfRVn-3Q@igs.net>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > Dear News group, >pE > I just sent the following out, if you want to see the license platetA > just send me email or my bet is Ken Farmer will post the draft.- >- > Dear Distribution Lists, >yG > Based on your input (550 votes) on www.openvms.org the winning slogan)H > for the new OpenVMS license plate is "When downtime is not an option". > Please see the attached PDF. >.< > Thank you very much for your input, this poll is now over.       To Everyone Who Voted:  K Thanks for the vote of confidence in my handiwork :-)   I really appreciate @ it even if it did take over 2 years for the recognition to come.  ; Google c.o.v. for Jan. 30, 2003 and you'll see what I mean.l    J Sue, do I get credit on the license plate?  I'll accept a full-page ad forL VMS (no mention of Itanic or any other HP or Microsoft product in the ad) inK the Wall Street Journal and The Financial Times placed once per week for 10hK weeks in each publication in lieu of credit, as long as I get approval over  the ad copy.  5 What's a measly $1 million that this will cost to HP?f     John  D --------------------------------------------------------------------  4   John Smith   Jan 30 2003, 2:44 pm     show options  #             Newsgroups: comp.os.vmswJ             From: "John Smith" <a...@nonymous.com> - Find messages by this author/             Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:44:53 GMTl,             Local: Thurs,Jan 30 2003 2:44 pm1             Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availablenI             Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show1 original | Report Abuseh    E       "Ken Robinson" <ken.s.robinson.nos...@exxonmobile.com> wrote inTC       message news:Xns9313753B81626ksrobinerenjcom@66.150.105.55...6               - Hide quoted text -       - Show quoted text -  1       > "John Smith" <a...@nonymous.com> wrote inrJ       > news:IAb_9.162052$ej1.158515@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:  J       > > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonet...@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message.       > > news:b1bbh9$3ak$1@web1.cup.hp.com...    G       > > Does the CD carry advance copies of the upcoming print and TVsG       > > advertising campaign, featuring Carly and Mark, that is beingn       launchedH       > > for the operating system that HP has such a big commitment to?    I       > > Oh, I forgot, Microsoft already pays for "those" ads, and Linuxe       needsoK       > > no advertising because HP execs speak about it in every utterance-
       they6       > > make publicly, unlike the subject of the CD.    K       > > The longer VMS isn't actively advertised and marketed, the longer8       itJ       > > will be a marginal entity that the HP Board of Directors will be#       > > tempted to cease funding..           > Does this     L       <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf>    L       > count as new advertising?  True, I have only seen it on the web site	       andtH       > not in the wild, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop up in
       some ofa!       > the technical media soon.d      1       It's not bad as a start. But it needs work.   F       Too many 'fluff' photos - I don't know why that kind of stuff isG       necessary in a marketing piece - if it's supposed to give one themC       'warm fuzzies', I'd rather see a picture of a teddy bear. :-)b           Here's what I'd do:r1       1) Get rid of the full-page 'fluff' photos.k    J       2) Get rid of the "'we'll look closely at running..." bit in the NewJ       Zealand Steel portion. That's pretty wishy-washy. If that's the bestK       commitment they can put in a brochure like this, then HP is in plentyeI       of trouble.  HP would be better off putting a 'No Comment' from the4F       NSA as the response to the question "How do you use your OpenVMSK       systems?" Hell, just use that along with the tagline at the bottom ofNH       this post in some full page WSJ advertising. If nothing else it'll       start a lot of 'buzz'.    I       3) Add more disaster-recovery stuff. As horrible as it is to think, J       but depending how it goes it's likely that companies in the U.S. areK       going to need lots of it if George II launches a war with Iraq, maybe H       not next month, but in the months and years to come...refresh yourJ       readings of Greek mythology and the Hydra. Boards of Directors couldI       be held personally liable if they don't have DR. Why treat disasteraH       recovery as special case when you can seamlessly weave it into theH       fabric of your normal computing infrastructure and activities? AndI       even if the worst man-made disasters doesn't happen, natural ones -lH       hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, tornados, and even tsunami happen       often enough..    H       4) Add some mention that HP is funding ISV's to bring thousands ofL       applications to OpenVMS, including Sybase (I think that customers wantI       a bit more choice than Oracle and Oracle Rdb and their license feesmK       from hell). And if HP isn't doing this, hold off on advertising until K       they have a few high profile fully supported for all customers ports,a       like SAP and Sybase.    K       5) Just get rid of the Retain Trust and other similarly simple minded G       initiatives and announce that HP, after careful consideration, is I       trashing the IA-64 and going to revitalize and restart a EV8+ AlphaaL       chip development effort for VMS, Tru64/HP-UX, NSK, and 64-bit Windows.L       It would be cheaper in the long run, more credible, and more palatable       to customers.m    F       6) Place the resulting brochure in magazines like The Economist,K       Forbes, Business Week, Fortune, and the usual collection of technicalPI       magazines like Information Week, etc......a couple of ways of doing E       this - either as an insert/stapled in-place, or as one of thoseu>       stick-n-peel methods on the front cover of the magazine.    L       7) Or as an alternative to 6) above, place each page of the 'brochure'G       as separate ad pages running sequentially every other page in thedJ       magazine, ie. on  sequential odd numbered pages in amongst editorialH       content only. That way every time a reader turns a page to read anJ       article (not other companies advertising) they see OpenVMS (and eachE       page should have the word 'OpenVMS' and a suitable tagline like3K       "High-Octane" or "Virus-Free" or "Unhackable" or "When Downtime Isn'tpL       An Option" at the top of the page). Odd pages are preferred due to theI       way the human brain processes the 'image' of the pages as one flipsb       pages.         --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.a     begin 666 dot_clear.gifr= K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P``t `  endh   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2005 20:00:33 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>1 Subject: Re: Winning slogan for the License Plate B Message-ID: <1116039633.055931.36980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > Dear News group, > E > I just sent the following out, if you want to see the license plate A > just send me email or my bet is Ken Farmer will post the draft.a   Yep!:h  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/05/12/0977641t   [...].   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:53:26 -0400o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t; Subject: [OT]: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?t, Message-ID: <BM6dnfJBs8RWjhjfRVn-2w@igs.net>  K Microsoft's next-generation console uses a triple-core PowerPC processor to'F achieve 1 teraflops of performance, transforming the stand-alone video: gaming platform into a powerful home entertainment server.    1 Maybe we should ask for VMS to be ported to Xbox.c  8 I hear they have sold 411,000 of these on the first day.     --L OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.267 ************************