1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 274       Contents:3 Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS 3 Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS 3 Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS 0 Re: CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI board available0 Re: CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI board available0 Re: CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI board available& Re: Disaster Recovery World convention( Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg?3 Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one? 3 Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one? 3 Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one? 3 Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one? + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch # Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place # Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place # Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place ! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility? ! Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility? 
 Sort/Merge" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX VAX/VMS Poplog! VMS API (possible unix emulation) % Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) % Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)  Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20/ Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? 3 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? 3 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? 0 Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?0 Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?0 Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 07:48:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS3 Message-ID: <m1veel0jfjT6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <dO2dnQCPdKgpRRXfRVn-oQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:H >> In article <4288c16e$0$67257$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten( >> Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes: >>! >>> VMS is primarily a server OS.  >>G >>    Not in my house.  Not at my job.  Maybe for someone else, but VMS ? >>    is far to capable to limit it to "primarily" a server OS.  >  > N > I concurr, but what software that you can purchase at Best Buy or Staples doL > you rip and play your MP3's with and your copy of the Dr. Strangelove DVD?  H    Why should I but at Best Buy or Staples who don't even carry OS X for
    my Mac?  @    The software I need for my home VMSCLUSTER has all been free.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 07:55:54 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>< Subject: Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMSC Message-ID: <1116341754.831424.190860@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:; > In article <LY6dnd4bTtwzmBjfRVn-pw@igs.net>, "John Smith"  <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > D > > If by Pentium you mean x86-64, then yes I concur. If your really meant : > > Pentium, I think I'd rather run an Athalon 64 for VMS. > F >    While I have no problem with 64 bit x86, I think we can still get? >    32 bit systems cheaper, and VMS runs great as a 32 bit OS.   F Both Intel and AMD have announced that they will stop manufacturing 32A bit only X86 chips soon. The cost difference between the cheapest C X86-64 system and the cheapest X86-32 system is now less than $100.  --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:30:55 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>< Subject: Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS2 Message-ID: <P6oie.5543$Iy4.3653@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4288D6A0.6CFCA1AC@teksavvy.com... > Bob Koehler wrote: > F > Agreed. However, consider a recent statement by a DEC engineer about4 > business justification for any work on decwidnows. > G > They only want to allocate engineers for work to please the remaining D > customer base. They don't see the point on allocating resources toA > develop new markets for VMS (aka: retake what it used to have).  >   H Not exactly what I said.  The business justification could indeed be forE a opportunity outside of the existing base.  The point being that the 9 investments are not done without a cost/benefit analysis.   4 "Retake what is used to have" isn't a business plan.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 14:53:14 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)9 Subject: Re: CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI board available + Message-ID: <3eueqpF520j8U3@individual.net>   ; In article <Ov8ie.33213$G8.701@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, D 	"Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> writes:J > I have a CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI interface. New, boxed, with manualM > (dated 1993) and cable. Anyone interested? Anyone interested enough to give J > me money (or suitable liquid alternative)? All shipping costs etc. to be, > borne by taker (I'm based in Bristol, UK). >    Colin,   Did you get my email?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:07:42 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 9 Subject: Re: CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI board available D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505170906360.9659@localhost.localdomain>  ) On Mon, 16 May 2005, Colin Butcher wrote:   2 > I have a CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI interface.  # Is this device tape only?  No disk?      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:34:40 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> 9 Subject: Re: CMD CDU 720/M Unibus to SCSI board available = Message-ID: <kaoie.33753$G8.30005@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   3 According to the manual it does both disc and tape: 0 http://bitsavers.vt100.net/cmd/CDU-720_May92.pdf   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works. 2 "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message> news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0505170906360.9659@localhost.localdomain...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:15:24 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery World convention 0 Message-ID: <118j9v6f9hs9p7c@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:  > www.drii.org/calendar.cfm  > September 18-21, San Diego > 3 > I wonder if VMS will be featured at the HP booth.  >  > Any bets it won't be?    Not me, don't like losing bets.   @ Whichever division shows up will push their products.  Expected.  D What needs to happen is either VMS runs the HP booth, or there is a  seperate VMS booth.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 06:05:56 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>1 Subject: Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg? ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Qr3RRfvj0uxM@dave2_os2.home.ours>   E On Mon, 16 May 2005 10:52:45 UTC, chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk wrote:    >  > Dave Weatherall wrote: > > Guy E > >          has anyone ever suggested adding the /ASCII qualifier to G > > DUMP. I know we get both at the moment but there are times when one E > > only wants to see what the file looks like in ascii. 80 chars per  > line > > instead of 16 or 32  > G > I agree it would be nice to have it in DUMP, but meanwhile, check out  > VFE from the Freeware disks.   Thanks ChrisF                             I'll give it a look at the same time I get Perl (re)-installed    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:48:05 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> < Subject: Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one?0 Message-ID: <118j8c01iplt8ac@corp.supernews.com>   Rob Brown wrote:, > On Mon, 16 May 2005, Andreas Davour wrote: > ; >> WRITEBOOT issues don't go away, though. I tried to do a  = >> BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DUAx: DUAy: and it still wouln't boot.  >  > A > I have never heard of /IMAGE copy of a bootable disk not being  9 > bootable.  I think something else must have gone wrong.  >  > ? Possibly he used the disk created without /IMAGE as the source?   = If it ain't there to start with, /IMAGE sure won't invent it.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 07:51:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one?3 Message-ID: <S5juQM9IsFri@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <cs9oebbf42a.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes:  > G > I haven't got very much space for hard disks for my simulated VAX and F > decided to try to migrate to a bigger disk, learning how it would be > done on a physical VAX.  > H > I have mounted a RA82 and after booting my VMS7.2 CD I tried to backup. > my DUA0: to the bigger RA82 DUA1: like this: > B > BACKUP/RECORD/NOALIAS/VERIFY/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/IGNORE=NOBACKUP -  >  DUA0: DUA1:   >       You left out /image   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 07:57:14 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one?3 Message-ID: <HTH5BJYNYjbe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <cs9fywnf2d1.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes:   3 > is there any VMS equivalance to the unix "find"?)   F    The most common use of UNIX find is to scan a directory tree for a B    file name or names.  Since VMS provide the elipsis wildcard to 3    traverse directory tree any command can do that.          find . -name "a*.c"       is the same as          directory [...]a*.c   E    Other qualifiers fo find on UNIX can be emulated by writing a loop F    over f$search and f$file_attributes.  Or you can just go to gnu andD    get thier version of find.  Most gnu utilities were ported to VMS    long ago.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 14:44:31 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one?+ Message-ID: <3eueafF520j8U1@individual.net>   3 In article <HTH5BJYNYjbe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:a > In article <cs9fywnf2d1.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes:  > 4 >> is there any VMS equivalance to the unix "find"?) > H >    The most common use of UNIX find is to scan a directory tree for a  >    file name or names.    E Not sure I would agree with that except in the case of rank amateurs.   C >                        Since VMS provide the elipsis wildcard to  5 >    traverse directory tree any command can do that.  >  >       find . -name "a*.c"  >  >    is the same as  >  >       directory [...]a*.c   ? Yeah, and, believe it or not, you can do the same thing on unix ? without using the find command at all.  But then, that's one of  unix's strengths.  :-)   > G >    Other qualifiers fo find on UNIX can be emulated by writing a loop H >    over f$search and f$file_attributes.  Or you can just go to gnu andF >    get thier version of find.  Most gnu utilities were ported to VMS >    long ago. >   = Hmmmmm.......  I wonder if it supports the -exec option?  :-)    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:09:23 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch? Message-ID: <d6c1qi$64n$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,   J Not that I'm particularly interested in what IBM is doing (and if I were IL would probably look in comp.os.mvs/os400 or whatever it is) but I am curiousI as to why people are holding it up as a shining example here. Didn't they L just announce plans to lay-off 13,000 people? Even before the announcement IF often wondered, when walking past their London HQ next to The NationalI Theatre and Waterloo Bridge, why almost the entire ground floor gradually H became totally devoid of life/workstations/hand-sets and then the blindsK came down. (I'm sure it was as a security measure and not to hide the ghost K town.) This is a des-res of offices if you are an IBM employee! Nice views, K buzzy atmosphere, Gabriel's Wharfe, good pubs, transport, centre of London.  So where have they all gone?  J Anyway, as I said, I can go through life without knowing the answer. But II wouldn't want all the Dooms-Day Merchants, Grim-Reapers, Nervous-Nellies, G Miserable-Gob-Shites that have given C.O.V so much pleasure and useful, I insightful information on the demise of VMS over the*MANY* years, to miss J this golden opportunity to expand their horizons! There must be a plethoraL of IBM news groups out there just starved of your Nostradamus-like pearls ofK wisdom, that you can just repeat again and again ad infinitum. These people I need to be saved! Gerstner was just a puppet who set out to kill RPG from  day one!  L Honestly, it would be selfish of COV to try to hang on to you. We'll try and  soldier on for the greater good.  J Oh here we go : - "IBM makes more profit in a lunch hour than cHumPaq madeD in its lifetime!" or "The AS/400 VAX-killer was the best architectedL computer EVER!" or "It's only VMS that doesn't have a future - OS/2 is still out there you prick!"    Well, I tried.   Regards Richard Maher   2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ED391@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] > Sent: May 16, 2005 10:55 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch > , >  http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23270 > HP break up "makes sense"  > 5 > Financials Analyst line ahead of tomorrow's results  >  > / > By Ambrose McNevin: Monday 16 May 2005, 13:51  > > >  INVESTMENT ANALYST Merrill Lynch said today "We still think > breakup HPC > makes sense but it appears that option is off the table for now." > > Ahead of Tuesday's financial results (the first quarter with > new boy Mark> > Hurd at the helm) Dow Jones Newswires reported that the Wall > Street firm is= > telling clients that HP's board "is mistaken if it believes  > the company only; > has execution problems" and it should ask itself "In what  > businesses should  > HP compete?" > $ > Merrill is expecting weak quarter. >  >     C Mmmm... I wonder if this is one of the analyst firms that also told E Gerstner to split up IBM when he first took over .."Lou - you need to H determine which business you want to compete in and sell of the rest..."   :-)     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)   $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:07:10 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <118j9ftpaj0tj6e@corp.supernews.com>   Richard Maher wrote: > Hi,  > L > Not that I'm particularly interested in what IBM is doing (and if I were IN > would probably look in comp.os.mvs/os400 or whatever it is) but I am curious? > as to why people are holding it up as a shining example here.   H 1) There is the vastly differing treatment of leading edge CPUs.  Power C is kicking ass.  Alpha is dead.  IBM isn't afraid to 'be a leader'.   G 2) IBM doesn't leave customers.  Yeah there was OS2, but just how long  G can that example serve.  (Ok, the reply would be, "Yeah there was VMS,  I but just how long are you c.o.v types going to hold on to a dead horse?")   
 > Didn't they / > just announce plans to lay-off 13,000 people?   I IBM kept the 'mainframe' around far longer than most thought they could.  L   The layoffs are because people are leaving IBM, not IBM leaving customers.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:24:39 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <Xe2dnchmibLVNxTfRVn-2g@metrocastcablevision.com>    Richard Maher wrote:   ...    > Well, I tried.  ' But unfortunately not very competently.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 08:53:26 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> , Subject: Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in placeC Message-ID: <1116345206.943607.239230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JimStreh...@data911.com wrote:B > The OpenVMS 7.3-1 installation CD offers an option to convert anA > OpenVMS system disk "in place" from an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 format  duringD > the upgrade process.  We have a large ODS-2 data disk (no OS) ontoG > which we must install an upgrade of a 3rd party product that requires B > that the disk be in ODS-5 format.  We are faced with an extendedF > downtime on that disk to BACKUP copy and BACKUP restore that disk to > convert it to ODS-5 format.  > 1 > Is there some other "convert in place" utility?   2 It's easy to convert a volume from ODS-2 to ODS-5.   (From the online VMS help) SET      VOLUME       /STRUCTURE_LEVEL             /STRUCTURE_LEVEL=n  E        Sets the structure level of the volume. Use the value 5 to set         the volume to ODS-5.   =        When the /STRUCTURE_LEVEL qualifier is used with other G        qualifiers, the volume structure level is set prior to the other "        qualifiers being performed.  D        You cannot use the SET VOLUME command to change a volume from;        ODS-5 to ODS-2. To reset a volume to ODS-2, refer to  instructionsG        in the HP OpenVMS System Manager's Manual, Volume 1: Essentials.    ODS-5 Volumes work very nicely.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:54:56 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>, Subject: Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place+ Message-ID: <3euielF4khnkU1@individual.net>    JimStrehlow@data911.com wrote: >...1 > Is there some other "convert in place" utility?  >...   $ DISMOUNT disk $ $ SET VOLUME disk /STRUCTURE_LEVEL=5 $ MOUNT/SYSTEM disk label    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:13:47 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk, Subject: Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place) Message-ID: <d6d57r$a3p$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <1116344930.087906.183840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com writes: A >The OpenVMS 7.3-1 installation CD offers an option to convert an G >OpenVMS system disk "in place" from an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 format during C >the upgrade process.  We have a large ODS-2 data disk (no OS) onto F >which we must install an upgrade of a 3rd party product that requiresA >that the disk be in ODS-5 format.  We are faced with an extended E >downtime on that disk to BACKUP copy and BACKUP restore that disk to  >convert it to ODS-5 format. > 0 >Is there some other "convert in place" utility? > @ >We will backup the data on the disk before converting the disk. >   A I've never used backup to convert an ODS-2 disk to an ODS-5 disk. & I wasn't even aware that was possible.   The normal way of doing it is     . Dismount the data disk and mount it privately. Then use  # set volume/structure_level=5   disk   , Then dismount the disk and mount it /system.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >Thanks in advance.  >  >Jim Strehlow, Alameda, CA, USA  >    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 06:05:55 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-LjmXOXom6ICy@dave2_os2.home.ours>   F On Tue, 10 May 2005 03:06:24 UTC, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan( Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote:   <Snip>   K > The system manager has kindly installed SEDT, but when I try to start it  4 > there's a complaint about the absence of defm.edt    Sorry Alan  ;                      I never read this before this morning.   F Are the SEDT logicals being correctly defined. DEFM.EDT and the other D key definition files are to be found in SEDT$LIBRARY (IIRC).  There F should be a command file in the directory where the system manager has
 installed.  E A couple of caveats for SEDT. It doesn't like file-specs longer than  > 132 chars. It works but whatever has been/becomes overwritten D eventually causes SEDT to crash. the .AUS (autosave) file menas you  only lose a few edits.  F The version I'm using, which I'm sure is the last VMS one from Anker'sC site, doesn't like the terminal to be a VT400 or above. At work it  * crashes and I need to SET TERM /DEV=VT300.  F Otherwise I'm a happy SEDT user who probably owes Anker $100 at least.> I never found an easy way to get the money to him from Europe.   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:15:58 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)* Subject: Re: SEDT / JED EDT compatibility?6 Message-ID: <00A43DF5.AE8D8804@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  t In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-LjmXOXom6ICy@dave2_os2.home.ours>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:G >On Tue, 10 May 2005 03:06:24 UTC, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan ) >Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote:  >  ><Snip>  > L >> The system manager has kindly installed SEDT, but when I try to start it 5 >> there's a complaint about the absence of defm.edt   >  >Sorry Alan < >                     I never read this before this morning. > G >Are the SEDT logicals being correctly defined. DEFM.EDT and the other  E >key definition files are to be found in SEDT$LIBRARY (IIRC).  There  G >should be a command file in the directory where the system manager has  >installed.  >   - He's just got SEDT in /bin/pkg/sedt, I think.   F >A couple of caveats for SEDT. It doesn't like file-specs longer than ? >132 chars. It works but whatever has been/becomes overwritten  E >eventually causes SEDT to crash. the .AUS (autosave) file menas you   >only lose a few edits.    Probably not a problem.  > G >The version I'm using, which I'm sure is the last VMS one from Anker's D >site, doesn't like the terminal to be a VT400 or above. At work it + >crashes and I need to SET TERM /DEV=VT300.  > L Huh.  Well, maybe I can install SEDT on VMS and then take the key definition9 files from the VMS system and put 'em on the Unix system.    It's a thought, anyway.    Thanks,    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:08:46 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>  Subject: Sort/Merge 5 Message-ID: <d6cmsc$e61$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   F Thank you all for your responses and help. I got it to work just fine.   Thanks,  Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:46:27 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com + Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAX - Message-ID: <8764xjkl7w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   B > It's actually a pair of them in a SW Cannister.  But I think theC > other one has a problem as the door won't open and the led ont he + > front just blinks real fast continuously.   = That is a sign of the cable only being part connected, or not = connected at all in my experience. Check that it is seated in  the drive connector properly.   A 6xxx machines have the CPU and IO stuff layed out across the cab, ' fan below, PS on top of the card cages.   E 7xxx have the CPUs, memory and IOPs up top, fan in the middle, and IO F cages at the bottom. The air exhaust is in the middle of the front and rear doors.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 11:57:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAX + Message-ID: <3eu4i7F4tjfuU1@individual.net>   - In article <8764xjkl7w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:5 > bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > C >> It's actually a pair of them in a SW Cannister.  But I think the D >> other one has a problem as the door won't open and the led ont he, >> front just blinks real fast continuously. > ? > That is a sign of the cable only being part connected, or not ? > connected at all in my experience. Check that it is seated in  > the drive connector properly.   > Yeah, as soon as I figure out to to get it out of the box. :-)   > C > 6xxx machines have the CPU and IO stuff layed out across the cab, ) > fan below, PS on top of the card cages.  > G > 7xxx have the CPUs, memory and IOPs up top, fan in the middle, and IO H > cages at the bottom. The air exhaust is in the middle of the front and
 > rear doors.  >   B Definitely 7000.  Big fan in the middle. But thanklfully, not very loud.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 12:03:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAX + Message-ID: <3eu4rnF4tjfuU2@individual.net>   E Guess I spoke too soon.  It now boots either into Standalon Backup or + VMS depending on bootflags. However........    It still doesn't work right.  G In standalone backup it claims it can't find the file. (I can provide a F copy of the actual message but it's pretty much the one that is in the= docs where it says to insert the proper media and try again.)   ' In VMS it just hangs.  Here is the log:    P00>>> set boot_osflags 0,1,0  boot_osflags set to 0,1,0  P00>>> boot dua41.2.0.3.0  Initializing...   F F   E   D   C   B   A   9   8   7   6   5   4   3   2   1   0   NODE #C                             A   M   .   .   .   P   P   P   P   TYP C                             o   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST1 C                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD C                             o   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST2 C                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD C                             +   +   .   .   .   +   +   +   +   ST3 C                             .   .   .   .   .   E   E   E   B   BPD   H     +   .   .   .   .   .   +   .   .   .   .   +   .   +       C0 XMI +B .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C1B .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C2B .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   C3  C                             .  A0   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   ILV E                             . 512   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   512MB   H Firmware Rev = S4.4-4857      SROM Rev = S3.1-0      SYS SN = NI525N9935@ System configuration has changed since last saved configuration!  
 Booting...' Connecting to boot device dua41.2.0.3.0  Created device: dua41.2.0.3.0 / block 0 of dua41.2.0.3.0 is  a valid boot block $ reading 87 blocks from dua41.2.0.3.0 bootstrap code read in base = 154000, start = 200  boot device name = dua41.2.0.3.0 boot flags  0,1,0  boot device type = 20  controller ID = a  unit number = 41 node ID = 2  channel = 0  slot = 3 hose = 0 jumping to bootstrap at 154200    , %SYSBOOT-I-PHYSICALPAGES limited to 511.5 Mb= %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk = %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskJ    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X7G7 Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0F %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.G %SYSINIT-E, %SYSINIT, error opening system dump file, status = 00000910 J %SYSINIT, primary PAGEFILE.SYS not found; system initialization continuing4 %SYSINIT, no dump file - error log buffers not saved^ %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, $1$DKA41: (HSJ002) has been write-locked.  Mount verification in progress.  P %SMP-I-CPUBOOTED, CPU #01 has joined the PRIMARY CPU in multiprocessor operationP %SMP-I-CPUBOOTED, CPU #02 has joined the PRIMARY CPU in multiprocessor operationP %SMP-I-CPUBOOTED, CPU #03 has joined the PRIMARY CPU in multiprocessor operation   --------------------------  % And there it sits (all night long!!!)   > Anybody got anymore suggestions?  At least I'm getting closer!   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 14:47:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAX + Message-ID: <3eueg9F520j8U2@individual.net>   @ OK, I decided not to wait to see if anyone asked.  Here's what I get from standalone backup:   
 Booting...' Connecting to boot device dua41.2.0.3.0  Created device: dua41.2.0.3.0 / block 0 of dua41.2.0.3.0 is  a valid boot block $ reading 87 blocks from dua41.2.0.3.0 bootstrap code read in base = 154000, start = 200  boot device name = dua41.2.0.3.0 boot flags  0,0,0  boot device type = 20  controller ID = a  unit number = 41 node ID = 2  channel = 0  slot = 3 hose = 0 jumping to bootstrap at 154200    = %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk = %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskJ    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X7G7 Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0F %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.B Please enter date and time (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  17-MAY-2005 08:11   Configuring devices . . . 6 Now configuring HSC, RF, and MSCP-served devices . . .  A Please check the names of the devices which have been configured, A to make sure that ALL remote devices which you intend to use have  been configured.  A If any device does not show up, please take action now to make it 
 available.    D Available device  $1$DKA41: (HSJ002)               device type RRD46D Available device  $1$DUA1: (HSJ002)                device type HSX01  6 Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available: yesM %BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 17-MAY-2005 10:26:38.28 3 $ backup/image/verify DKA41:VMS073.B/save_set DUA1: 6 %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening DKA41:[SYSEXE]VMS073.B;8 -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failed- -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availableoB If you do not want to perform another standalone BACKUP operation,# use the console to halt the system.   ? If you do want to perform another standalone BACKUP operation, b= ensure the standalone application volume is online and ready.t Enter "YES" to continue: n     -----------------------------     % Any suggestions where I go from here?t   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:04:27 GMTo% From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>s+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXeD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505170901550.9659@localhost.localdomain>  + On Tue, 17 May 2005, Bill Gunshannon wrote:s  B > OK, I decided not to wait to see if anyone asked.  Here's what I > get from standalone backup:n ...sF > Available device  $1$DKA41: (HSJ002)               device type RRD46 ...                 ^^^o5 > $ backup/image/verify DKA41:VMS073.B/save_set DUA1:e8 > %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening DKA41:[SYSEXE]VMS073.B;: > -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failed/ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablei   Don't you have to say:  " $ BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY $1$DKA41:etc                        ^^^   ?      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!d6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX)-2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 15:21:34 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXt+ Message-ID: <3eugftF4vnfuU1@individual.net>a  D In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505170901550.9659@localhost.localdomain>,( 	Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:- > On Tue, 17 May 2005, Bill Gunshannon wrote:6 > C >> OK, I decided not to wait to see if anyone asked.  Here's what I: >> get from standalone backup: > ... G >> Available device  $1$DKA41: (HSJ002)               device type RRD46  > ...                 ^^^l6 >> $ backup/image/verify DKA41:VMS073.B/save_set DUA1:9 >> %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening DKA41:[SYSEXE]VMS073.B;y; >> -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failedo0 >> -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available >  > Don't you have to say: > $ > $ BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY $1$DKA41:etc >                        ^^^ >  > ?L  @ I don't believe it's really necessary but I tried it that way to with the same result.7   bill  A -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 15:32:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXh+ Message-ID: <3euh43F4vnfuU2@individual.net>o  2 In article <d6d24i$q6g$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>,- 	"Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:3 > ] > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message news:3eueg9F520j8U2@individual.net...c > 6 >> $ backup/image/verify DKA41:VMS073.B/save_set DUA1:9 >> %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening DKA41:[SYSEXE]VMS073.B;0; >> -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failede0 >> -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available > J > Have you tried including the allocation classes? Also, you probably needH > to put [000000] for the directory but that wouldn't cause a NOSUCHDEV. >   H I copied the command directly out of the documentation (even to spellingE the options out although I usually just shorten them) and I have usedtB the command many time before on different hardware configurations.   bill  c -- wJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:20:50 +0100s* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXc2 Message-ID: <d6d24i$q6g$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  [ "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message news:3eueg9F520j8U2@individual.net...   5 > $ backup/image/verify DKA41:VMS073.B/save_set DUA1:D8 > %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening DKA41:[SYSEXE]VMS073.B;: > -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failed/ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablee  H Have you tried including the allocation classes? Also, you probably needF to put [000000] for the directory but that wouldn't cause a NOSUCHDEV.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 15:46:52 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)n+ Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAXe+ Message-ID: <3euhvcF53654U1@individual.net>e  + In article <3euh43F4vnfuU2@individual.net>, + 	bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:h4 > In article <d6d24i$q6g$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>,/ > 	"Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:n >>  ^ >> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message news:3eueg9F520j8U2@individual.net... >>  7 >>> $ backup/image/verify DKA41:VMS073.B/save_set DUA1:m: >>> %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening DKA41:[SYSEXE]VMS073.B;< >>> -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failed1 >>> -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available, >> nK >> Have you tried including the allocation classes? Also, you probably needtI >> to put [000000] for the directory but that wouldn't cause a NOSUCHDEV.  >> r > J > I copied the command directly out of the documentation (even to spellingG > the options out although I usually just shorten them) and I have used)D > the command many time before on different hardware configurations. >   J OK,  Two people said I neede the $1 as well so even though I thought I hadH done it already, I tried it again. Must have fat-fingered something else= the first tiem cause it just finished the verification pass. S   Onward and upward we go.   Thanks again to everyone.e   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   L   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 01:08:12 -0700( From: John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com Subject: VAX/VMS PoplogiB Message-ID: <1116317292.577463.42770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E I have downloaded and installed a version of Poplog for VAX/VMS. ThissD appears to be successfully installed. When I run POP11.EXE I get the following message:  % Sussex PopLog 15.0 on host 140006(14) 5 PLEASE ENTER PASSWORD (CONSULT SUPPLIER IF NECESSARY)i  G I assume that I do not need a licence for this (old version) of poplog.o? I believe that VAX/VMS poplog is no longer supported/available.h  G Can anyone please tell me the password (or a work around) to get poplogb going.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 00:09:24 -0700 From: anuj.goyal@gmail.com* Subject: VMS API (possible unix emulation)C Message-ID: <1116313764.488626.100840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>c  F I am trying to find a web page that lists the relevant API and library3 calls for VMS.  I would prefer _not_ to have a pdf.    something like this:8 http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/index.html      E PS: I also heard that there was the possibility that a unix emulation 0 layer would be added to OpenVMS... is this true?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:31:06 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>. Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)& Message-ID: <4289C7EA.3ECE9B0A@hp.com>   anuj.goyal@gmail.com wrote:k > H > I am trying to find a web page that lists the relevant API and library5 > calls for VMS.  I would prefer _not_ to have a pdf.h    = Try starting at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82_index.html    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.1? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*mF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------s   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 03:11:57 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> . Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)A Message-ID: <1116324717.407919.3310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>-  % anuj.go...@gmail.com wrote (in part): G > PS: I also heard that there was the possibility that a unix emulationo2 > layer would be added to OpenVMS... is this true?  D A number of OpenSource tools have been ported to VMS, including GNV. (quoting from the web site).  E GNV (GNU's Not VMS) is an open source, GNU-based UNIX environment fordG OpenVMS that provides UNIX application developers, system managers, and G users a UNIX-style environment on OpenVMS. This facilitates developmentaF and porting of UNIX software to OpenVMS. (GNU is a UNIX-like operating= system that is free software.) GNV provides a UNIX-like shelloE (command-line interpreter) environment. The shell used by GNV is Bash @ (Bourne-Again SHell), from GNU, using the POSIX.2 specification.  G GNV Version 1.6-2 runs on OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-2 or higher, and onR OpenVMS I64 Version 8.2.   For more information see6 <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html>   Ken-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:12:15 -0400n' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>u Subject: Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20s0 Message-ID: <118j9papbgaiub2@corp.supernews.com>   johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:aH > I don't suppose there is any way that VMS would boot on a DS20L?  It'sE > not listed as supported on the SPD nor the SC20 information.  I was?C > just wondering if it were close enough to a DS20E that the proper ( > hardware layer files would still work. >   H My weak memory is that the DS20L was built using one of the boards from 8 the joint venture with Samsung, can't remember the name.  H Their boards were different from those DEC used, and VMS didn't support  the boards.w   -- a4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road- Vanderbilt, PA  154860   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 08:48:10 -0700" From: "Bill Law" <blaw@cincom.com>8 Subject: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?C Message-ID: <1116344890.283564.245580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>s  
 Greetings,  E We're having a problem with DECnet rejecting access to a known objectcE from one account but working from another.  Yet there are no apparentiE access controls and no error messages.  This is quite frustrating andm! we're hoping one of you can help.r  E We run a program which declares itself as a DECnet known object usingw  the following sequence of calls:     sys$crembx()     sys$assign()     sys$qiow(IO$_ACPCONTROL)     sys$qio(IO$_READVBLK)a     sys$qiow(IO$_ACCESS)G Then from another process a connection is attempted with a program witha these calls:     lib$asn_wth_mbx().     sys$qiow(IO$_ACCESS)     sys$qiow(IO$_READVBLK)  E When user A runs the first program it declares a known network objectsF as it should, and then running the second program successfully makes a connection.e  C When user B runs the first program it also declares a known networkOD object as it should, but then running the second program fails with:8     %SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejectedC while the first program never even receives the connection request.iB Apparently VMS or DECnet or something is rejecting the connection. Why?  B User A and user B have the same account privileges and rights.  NoC account nor password are defined for the known network object.  ThedC default DECnet account is not enabled.  Proxy access is defined as:u     *::*
         * (D)0  B There are no error messages, no operator messages, and no securityF alarms.  What could be causing this?  Is the object somehow 'owned' byG user A denying access to user B, even though the image has been rundownu" by user A and restarted by user B?  & Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Cheers, Bill  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:02:50 -0400h4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?+ Message-ID: <3euitfF53qqqU1@individual.net>    Bill Law wrote:l >...D > User A and user B have the same account privileges and rights.  NoE > account nor password are defined for the known network object.  ThenE > default DECnet account is not enabled.  Proxy access is defined as:h
 >     *::* >         * (D)s   Dangerous proxy to use!a   > D > There are no error messages, no operator messages, and no securityH > alarms.  What could be causing this?  Is the object somehow 'owned' byA > user A denying access to user B, even though the image has beeno, > rundown by user A and restarted by user B? >...  C You mention that there were no security alarms, what about securityh audits? Try ' $ ANALYZE/AUDIT/SINCE SYS$MANAGER:/FULLe and see what you get. What does  $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL on the mailbox tell you?   -- i Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.u Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXy www.weaverconsulting.cal   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:44:25 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>u< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?, Message-ID: <428A1F66.3A70509E@teksavvy.com>   Bill Law wrote:oG > When user A runs the first program it declares a known network objecttH > as it should, and then running the second program successfully makes a
 > connection.e > E > When user B runs the first program it also declares a known networkeF > object as it should, but then running the second program fails with:: >     %SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejectedE > while the first program never even receives the connection request.p  H Do A and B create differently named network objects ?  Or do they try to create the same object name ?0  M To create an object, one needs big time privileges (I think sysnam at least).M  D Whith both A and B having executed the first program, which show NCPF SHOW KNOW OBJECTS show ? do both objects really get created, or does BG just get the illusion of success with good status codes even though the 2 object may have failed because it already exists ?  H > alarms.  What could be causing this?  Is the object somehow 'owned' byI > user A denying access to user B, even though the image has been rundown $ > by user A and restarted by user B?  E Oh, are you running the same program sequentially on A and then on B,n not concurrently ?  H Look for any opened stray channel which may prevent total destruction ofB the first object. (again, NCP would help you make sure that when A! exits, the object truly vanishes.i  E Does B have any logicals defined that could interfere with the objecty name ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:40:18 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au>e9 Subject: Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood? : Message-ID: <mSjie.6112$E7.308@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  L I believe the origin of the OS for this box was the power pc port of NT 3.51 Phil. "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:BM6dnfJBs8RWjhjfRVn-2w@igs.net...J > Microsoft's next-generation console uses a triple-core PowerPC processor toH > achieve 1 teraflops of performance, transforming the stand-alone video< > gaming platform into a powerful home entertainment server. >  >e3 > Maybe we should ask for VMS to be ported to Xbox.e >t: > I hear they have sold 411,000 of these on the first day. >  >c > --H > OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.  >a >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:10:52 -0400d# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s9 Subject: Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?), Message-ID: <lsednSbUc4foZhTfRVn-tw@igs.net>   Phil wrote:oF > I believe the origin of the OS for this box was the power pc port of > NT 3.51 Phil    I Yesterday Sony unveiled their new Playstation with the IBM-Toshiba 'cell'n chip.     F All these powerful computers in people's hands at home sounds like theA opportunity of a lifetiome to 'hack' them and run VMS on them :-)          --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:40:57 -050022 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood? 6 Message-ID: <Xns96596CB6AAB4Fsee2go4me@216.196.97.131>  7 "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> enlightened us on 17 May c 2005 with:   4 > Yesterday Sony unveiled their new Playstation with > the IBM-Toshiba 'cell' chip. r > 3 > All these powerful computers in people's hands at 4 > home sounds like the opportunity of a lifetiome to& > 'hack' them and run VMS on them :-)   7 You mean like porting SIMH to one of these (XBox, PS2, R8 whatever other game console you can attach a hard drive # to) and running VMS on it that way?3   -Andy- -- 94 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.274 ************************