1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 275       Contents: AlphaServer 800 clock speed  Re: AlphaServer 800 clock speed 3 Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS  Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]  Business & Spirituality & Re: Disaster Recovery World convention, Re: DO HLP HLD BRK PRN and other keymappings3 Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one?  HP 2Q05 results  Re: HP 2Q05 results  Re: HP 2Q05 results  Re: HP 2Q05 results  Re: HP 2Q05 results + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch + Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch C Looking for a New and Used Computer Parts Reseller and Distributor? C Looking for a New and Used Computer Parts Reseller and Distributor? - Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising 1 Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising  Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up # Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place # Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place C Re: Perl and binmode (was Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg?)  Problems receiving SMTP mail  Re: Problems receiving SMTP mail" Re: The continuing saga of the VAX Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20 Re: VMS for DS20l/SC203 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? 3 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? 3 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? 0 Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 18:25:15 -0700) From: michael.o'connor@bluescopesteel.com $ Subject: AlphaServer 800 clock speedC Message-ID: <1116379515.572166.289620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F We have just retired an old 400MHz AlphaServer 800, and I have kept itG on as a development platform (sandpit). I believe there were 3 versions D of this Alpha, with clock speeds of 333, 400 and 500Mhz. Back when ID bought this Alpha, I recall the DEC salesman saying that it could beD clocked by changing jumpers on the motherboard. Does anybody know ifA that is true, and if so, what the jumper settings are for 500Mhz?    Michael O'Connor   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 20:05:04 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ( Subject: Re: AlphaServer 800 clock speedC Message-ID: <1116385504.807686.147890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   * michael.o'con...@bluescopesteel.com wrote:E > We have just retired an old 400MHz AlphaServer 800, and I have kept  it@ > on as a development platform (sandpit). I believe there were 3 versionsF > of this Alpha, with clock speeds of 333, 400 and 500Mhz. Back when IF > bought this Alpha, I recall the DEC salesman saying that it could beF > clocked by changing jumpers on the motherboard. Does anybody know ifC > that is true, and if so, what the jumper settings are for 500Mhz?  >  > Michael O'Connor  E According to the Digital Server 3300/3300R Service Guide ("White Box" F version of the AS800, Look on the HP site under retired systems)FigureA 8-3 on page 8-4 shows the CPU speed jumper block is J3 on the CPU G board.  The first two positions are jumpered for 400Mhz and all jumpers G removed for 500Mhz.  No guarantees that will work though and if you fry ( your CPU/board then I'm not responsible.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 15:02:52 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS3 Message-ID: <+fzIlSKlKZdd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <P6oie.5543$Iy4.3653@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:4288D6A0.6CFCA1AC@teksavvy.com... >> Bob Koehler wrote:  >>'    I didn't write any of what followed.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:44:28 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: BACKUP A:[...]*.* B:[...]+ Message-ID: <428A81DC.E52548FA@comcast.net>   
 AEF wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > AEF wrote: > > >  > > > Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > > > > Hello, > > > > F > > > > if you have defined the logical correct (C:[d.]), did you also
 > > > specify F > > > > all the translation attribute (AFAIK: CONCEALED and TERMINAL). > > > >  > > > > Best regards R. Wingert  > > > H > > > You don't need TERMINAL. In fact, if the disk you use is a logicalE > > > name, like DISK$SCRATCH, you have to NOT use terminal. That is,  > > > D > > >     $ DEFINE ROOTDISK DISK$SCRATCH:[SYSTEM.] /TRAN=(CONC,TERM) > > >  > > > will not work. > >  > > ...but this will:  > > G > > $ DEFINE ROOTDISK 'f$getdvi( "DISK$SCRATCH", "alldevnam")'[SYSTEM.]  > > /TRAN=(CONC,TERM)  > > 6 > > ...assuming SYSTEM.DIR exists in the volume's MFD. > >  > I > My point was that /TRAN=TERM is not needed for rooted disks. It's often G > a good idea to add it for other reasons, but it is not needed to make  > the rooted disk part work.  F True; however, if it is there, "ddcu" may need to be a physical device to prevent unexpected failures.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:23:42 GMT # From: Gary<Ggidney@ns.sympatico.ca>   Subject: Business & Spirituality< Message-ID: <22vie.18696$Ph4.539286@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>   <HTML> <HEAD>A <META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft DHTML Editing Control">  <TITLE></TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>9 <P>If you are interested in Business and Spirituality</P>  <P>visit us at <A _ href="http://www.executivecoachingservices.ca">http://www.executivecoachingservices.ca</A><IMG  9 height=540 alt=www.executivecoachingservices.ca hspace=0  I src="C:\My Documents\L-Dugas\V-mail\V-mail.jpg" width=577 align=baseline  
 border=0></P>  </BODY>  </HTML>    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:30:16 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> / Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery World convention 2 Message-ID: <YKqie.5566$hJ4.1162@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Smith wrote:  > www.drii.org/calendar.cfm  > September 18-21, San Diego > 3 > I wonder if VMS will be featured at the HP booth.   C This is the twice-yearly conference sponsored by Disaster Recovery   Journal (http://www.drj.com/).  I The one time I attended (back in 2001), there was both Compaq content on  * OpenVMS and HP content on MC/ServiceGuard.  G There have also been articles about OpenVMS disaster-tolerant clusters  ! in the Disaster Recovery Journal.   E There's a similar twice-yearly conference sponsored by the competing  + Contingency Planning & Management Magazine  E (http://www.contingencyplanning.com/), and there's also one going on  C right now in New Orleans sponsored by Continuity Insights Magazine  D (http://www.continuityinsights.com/), yet another competitor to DRJ.  F All 3 journals are excellent. DRJ and Continuity Insights are free to < qualified subscribers in the USA; CPM is subscription-based.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:40:54 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: DO HLP HLD BRK PRN and other keymappings + Message-ID: <428A8106.9A86F244@comcast.net>    Thomas Dickey wrote: > G > In comp.terminals David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: I > >> I see what it says, but it's lacking (saying something is ANSI-color L > >> doesn't cover the range of possibilities - it only says that it follows- > >> whatever model DEC used for ANSI color).  > L > > Umm, the ANSI model? (ANSI = American National Standards Institute whichE > > predates Bill Gates (the current "standards" dictator) and DEC by  > > several decades.)  > M > yes - the ANSI model, which doesn't specify all of the nice little details.  > O > >> For instance, I'm told that DEC's color model doesn't clear the background N > >> with the current color.  That means that the other half (all of the newerC > >> ones ;-) of the terminals that do won't work with smgterms.txt  > J > > ...except that these commands are executed by the terminal in responseB > > to receipt of the associated escape sequence, not by the host. > H > agreed - the host doesn't know enough to use the terminal efficiently. > 4 > > So, the behavior will be terminal/type-specific. > I > right - smgterms.txt doesn't tell as much as termcap or terminfo would.   @ Can you cite some items from termcap that smgterms lacks? ...and vice-versa?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:01:03 GMT ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> < Subject: Re: How do I migrate my systemdisk to a bigger one?& Message-ID: <428A5B76.1040602@iee.org>   Dave Froble wrote:A > Possibly he used the disk created without /IMAGE as the source?  > ? > If it ain't there to start with, /IMAGE sure won't invent it.   < If DUA0: was bootable, a /IMAGE backup of it to DUA1: should also be bootable.    Antonio    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:16:12 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: HP 2Q05 results, Message-ID: <Gq6dnZpH7py6whffRVn-oQ@igs.net>  L http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quarters/2005/q2.html?mtxs=land -corp&mtxb=B2&mtxl=L1    Enterprise Storage and Servers  L Enterprise Storage and Servers (ESS) reported revenue of $4.2 billion, up 6%H over the prior-year period. On a year-over-year basis, industry-standardJ server revenue increased 12%, business-critical systems (BCS) revenue grewG 2% and networked storage revenue was down 6%. Within BCS, revenue in HP H Integrity servers grew 37% year-over-year and HP-UX revenue grew 9%. ESSH reported operating profit of $184 million, or 4.4% of revenue, up from aJ profit of $119 million in the prior-year period. Included in the quarterly4 results is $24 million in workforce reduction costs.     --L OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:35:05 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP 2Q05 results, Message-ID: <fe2dnZH7Fs0L_hffRVn-iQ@igs.net>  . Of the total BCS revenue, we have ($ million):  A                                                      2Q05    1Q05  2Q04  ? Business Critical Systems         991         899           972   ; Industry Standard Servers     2,368     2,328         2,107   L Storage                                         825         820          882  L                                                    -------    ---------    - -----------   > Ent. Storage and Servers     4,184         4,047         3,961          8 For the 1st half of FY2005 vs. 1H2004, we have revenues:      5 Business Critical Systems             1,890     1,887   4 Industry Standard Servers            4,696     4,066  B Storage                                              1,645   1,709  J Other                                                      --         (1 )  L                                                             -----      ----- --  1 Enterprise Storage and Servers    8,231     7,661     I HP has also, for the 1st time, started reporting Personal Systems and the L Printing Division numbers bundled together. I think that this is a precursorK to getting out of the Enterprise space - they want the Street and investors 5 to start focusing on the part that will be called HP.   2 As they say themselves in the statement footnotes,J (a) HP has added an aggregation of HP's Personal Systems Group and ImagingG and Printing Group to provide a supplementary view of HP's business. In J addition, HP has reflected certain fiscal 2005 organizational realignments> on a backward-looking basis to provide improved visibility and comparability.    L Also of interest is the amount of R&D spending HP is currently doing - aboutA 4.1% of sales, which is extremely low for a 'technology' company.   1 All the foregoing was taken from HP Edgar filing.    --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 16:47:08 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HP 2Q05 resultsC Message-ID: <1116373628.402050.322790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote: 0 > Of the total BCS revenue, we have ($ million): > C >                                                      2Q05    1Q05  > 2Q04 > A > Business Critical Systems         991         899           972  > = > Industry Standard Servers     2,368     2,328         2,107  > A > Storage                                         825         820     882 > < >                                                    ------- ---------    -
 > -----------  > @ > Ent. Storage and Servers     4,184         4,047         3,961 >  >   F Using TAB's, eh? Please strip the tabs. I can't get this to display in actual columnns.     >  >  > : > For the 1st half of FY2005 vs. 1H2004, we have revenues: >  >  > 7 > Business Critical Systems             1,890     1,887  > 6 > Industry Standard Servers            4,696     4,066 > D > Storage                                              1,645   1,709 > ? > Other                                                      --  (1 ) > C >                                                             -----   ----- > -- > 3 > Enterprise Storage and Servers    8,231     7,661  >  [...]  >  > --D > OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV  > base.    What is the point of this sig?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:10:32 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP 2Q05 results, Message-ID: <U62dnUvFntK5BRffRVn-qQ@igs.net>  
 AEF wrote:   >   > What is the point of this sig?     Just a statement of fact.    --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 18:54:10 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HP 2Q05 resultsC Message-ID: <1116381250.582981.181150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote:  > AEF wrote: >  > > " > > What is the point of this sig? >  >  > Just a statement of fact.  >  > --D > OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV  > base.     # The Reflexive Property of Equality:   	     a = a    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:08:43 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch- Message-ID: <87wtpxvi6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   < > Is the 'Alpha Team' still working on that EV8 itanic?  :-)  ; No, they got nuked and a newer better on with about 1/3 the 3 performance and several times the power was picked.   % Many have left for a new startup btw.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:49:20 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <118kplbf8tjl795@corp.supernews.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:+ > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >  > < >>Is the 'Alpha Team' still working on that EV8 itanic?  :-) >  > = > No, they got nuked and a newer better on with about 1/3 the 5 > performance and several times the power was picked.    Missed the smiley, huh?   H I read about how the HP people didn't want the product the Alpha people J were working on.  They got that dumped, just before they were dumped.  :-)  ' > Many have left for a new startup btw.  >   
 Intereesting.   " Where do you get such information?   Any info on the startup?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:42:33 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <428a7359$0$78279$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:0 > HP has the same problem that Q and DEC had ...- > CEOs with no vision and no understanding of / > the technology they have (i.e. alpha/OpenVMS) 1 > and how to use that superior technology to rule , > the market and make money and not just use0 > downsizing, outsourcing and what ever else the1 > so called wall street experts say and gut their 4 > talent pool ... until that changes, they can split/ > into 50 companies and nothing will change ...   8 S**t Bob, the former CEO of HPQ had nothing but vision !G The issue is whether it was clouded, faulty, deviant or whatever - but   vision she had a plenty.  , I thought her vision less than visionary :-)   Dr. Dweeb.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:45:06 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <428a8202$0$78286$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Bill Todd wrote: > Richard Maher wrote: >  > ...  >  >> Well, I tried.  > ) > But unfortunately not very competently.  >  > - bill  3 But the humour was genuine, if a little antipodean.   
 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:59:43 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch, Message-ID: <428A937F.4060801@metrocast.net>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: >  >>Richard Maher wrote: >> >>...  >> >> >>>Well, I tried.  >>) >>But unfortunately not very competently.  >> >>- bill >  > 5 > But the humour was genuine, if a little antipodean.   < Indeed.  At least some points for style, if not for content.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:11:32 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP break up makes sense - Merrill Lynch, Message-ID: <U62dnUrFntK7BRffRVn-qQ@igs.net>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:1 >> HP has the same problem that Q and DEC had ... . >> CEOs with no vision and no understanding of0 >> the technology they have (i.e. alpha/OpenVMS)2 >> and how to use that superior technology to rule- >> the market and make money and not just use 1 >> downsizing, outsourcing and what ever else the 2 >> so called wall street experts say and gut their5 >> talent pool ... until that changes, they can split 0 >> into 50 companies and nothing will change ... > : > S**t Bob, the former CEO of HPQ had nothing but vision !H > The issue is whether it was clouded, faulty, deviant or whatever - but > vision she had a plenty. > . > I thought her vision less than visionary :-)    < It was visionary to the point of being damn near delusional.   --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 11:59:13 -0700! From: PowerSourceOnline@gmail.com L Subject: Looking for a New and Used Computer Parts Reseller and Distributor?B Message-ID: <1116356353.132715.21070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F PowerSource Online Inc. is the industry's leading computer marketplaceF connecting a global customer base of over 2,700 dealers, resellers andG service companies of new and used computer parts, systems, peripherals, # printers, and networking equipment.   @ Since our founding in 1992, PowerSource Online Inc. has remainedG focused on delivering to our customers quality sourcing and disposition = solutions of hard-to-find, excess, discontinued, obsolete and ' end-of-life computer parts and systems.   9 Search over 1.3 million parts from more than 850 vendors. 0 Post excess parts for sale or post want-to-buys.4 Liquidate inventory in bulk to a targeted community.   If interested please E-mail me.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 12:04:07 -0700! From: PowerSourceOnline@gmail.com L Subject: Looking for a New and Used Computer Parts Reseller and Distributor?B Message-ID: <1116356647.055208.31010@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F PowerSource Online Inc. is the industry's leading computer marketplaceF connecting a global customer base of over 2,700 dealers, resellers andG service companies of new and used computer parts, systems, peripherals, # printers, and networking equipment.   @ Since our founding in 1992, PowerSource Online Inc. has remainedG focused on delivering to our customers quality sourcing and disposition = solutions of hard-to-find, excess, discontinued, obsolete and ' end-of-life computer parts and systems.   9 Search over 1.3 million parts from more than 850 vendors. 0 Post excess parts for sale or post want-to-buys.4 Liquidate inventory in bulk to a targeted community.  4 If interested please contact me at the number below.   Jack Vienneau, Phone: (450) 677-7399 x3049 2 Toll Free: 1-888-265-3302 x3049(USA & Canada Only) Fax: (450) 677-9858  jack@powersourceonline.com   AOL IM: jvienneaupw    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 18:58:26 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>6 Subject: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertisingC Message-ID: <1116381506.534959.198950@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Maybe I missed the ads, but does Apple ever tout its Macs' reliabilityG and security? The only ads I can recall are that grand Superbowl ad and  the "Think different" ads.  A People here are always saying hp should advertise VMS's security, 1 clustering, reliability. Does Apple ever do that?   
 Why? Why not?    Discuss.     a = a    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:33:36 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> : Subject: Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertisingD Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-DA2457.22333817052005@news.verizon.net>  C In article <1116381506.534959.198950@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, &  "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:  H > Maybe I missed the ads, but does Apple ever tout its Macs' reliabilityI > and security? The only ads I can recall are that grand Superbowl ad and  > the "Think different" ads. > C > People here are always saying hp should advertise VMS's security, 3 > clustering, reliability. Does Apple ever do that?  >  > Why? Why not?  > 
 > Discuss. >  >  > a = a    No  7 Current advertising is for iPods.  Focus on shadows :-)   8 Previous advertising was for iMacs.  Focus was on style.  < There may have been a G5 advertisement.  Focus was on power.  G But to the best of my knowledge, there have not been any ads (at least  I not TV) touting the lack of virii or other security features of Mac OS X.   2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2005 19:39:30 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Now that my VAX is up+ Message-ID: <3euvjiF55ovpU1@individual.net>   < Here's a new question.  I plan to have communication between< my VAX Cluster and some PDP-11's running RSTS and RSX.  I am> even considering using disk space served by the VAX for my PDP5 users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:21 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up. Message-ID: <428A1989.22259.11E40CD@localhost>  / On 17 May 2005 at 19:39, Bill Gunshannon wrote: E > I am even considering using disk space served by the VAX for my PDP 8 > users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?   F DECnet-Plus and Phase IV interoperate automatically in Phase IV mode, C so I'd expect that either would work.  I'd be more concerned about  ! the PDP-11 end of the connection.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 15:09:47 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up3 Message-ID: <kCPajuy+2TWq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3euvjiF55ovpU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:> > Here's a new question.  I plan to have communication between> > my VAX Cluster and some PDP-11's running RSTS and RSX.  I am@ > even considering using disk space served by the VAX for my PDP7 > users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?   A    Since DECnet-Plus is basically Phase IV + ISO/OSI and supports D    communication with Phase IV nodes, I see no reason not to use it.>    You do have to make sure that the address on your VAXen areG    compatable with Phase IV, but I've never seen anyone actually use an     address that isn't.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:06:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up, Message-ID: <428A6AE8.7255B18F@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:7 > users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?   B DECnet 4 is mught lighter on resources and management than the 5. C Unless you absolutely need the features specific from 5, you should  stick to 4.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2005 00:43:17 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com " Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up, Message-ID: <d6e33502ajg@enews2.newsguy.com>  1 Stanley F. Quayle <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote: 1 > On 17 May 2005 at 19:39, Bill Gunshannon wrote: G > > I am even considering using disk space served by the VAX for my PDP : > > users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?   H > DECnet-Plus and Phase IV interoperate automatically in Phase IV mode, E > so I'd expect that either would work.  I'd be more concerned about  # > the PDP-11 end of the connection.   J I've had DECnet-Plus on an Alpha talking to RSTS/E, and RSX-11M.  The bulkJ of the issues I had turned out to be network related, DECnet/E can be veryK touchy about running over marginal ethernet.  ISTR, that there is also some E sort of issue if you're trying to do a SET HOST one way or the other.   L Having said that, I've not done a lot with DECnet under RSTS/E, I was mainly* using it to move data between RSX and VMS.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:13:10 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up& Message-ID: <428AF916.24F13F7B@hp.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > 3 > Stanley F. Quayle <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote: 3 > > On 17 May 2005 at 19:39, Bill Gunshannon wrote: I > > > I am even considering using disk space served by the VAX for my PDP ; > > > users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?  > I > > DECnet-Plus and Phase IV interoperate automatically in Phase IV mode, F > > so I'd expect that either would work.  I'd be more concerned about% > > the PDP-11 end of the connection.  > L > I've had DECnet-Plus on an Alpha talking to RSTS/E, and RSX-11M.  The bulkL > of the issues I had turned out to be network related, DECnet/E can be veryM > touchy about running over marginal ethernet.  ISTR, that there is also some G > sort of issue if you're trying to do a SET HOST one way or the other.  > N > Having said that, I've not done a lot with DECnet under RSTS/E, I was mainly, > using it to move data between RSX and VMS. >  >                 Zane  From the dim recesses of memory:G I seem to recall that to 'SET HOST' from RSTS to VMS you have to rename ' a .TSK file in the $DECNET account from G <something>UNSUPPORTED<something> (or similar,) to replace the original D .TSK. Also from memory, this is not documented anywhere, and is just+ something 'everyone is supposed to know...'   B Sorry to be so vague; Last time I used this was over a decade ago.   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 15:06:49 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in place3 Message-ID: <P$bCNTygwmpO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1116344930.087906.183840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com writes: B > The OpenVMS 7.3-1 installation CD offers an option to convert anH > OpenVMS system disk "in place" from an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 format duringD > the upgrade process.  We have a large ODS-2 data disk (no OS) ontoG > which we must install an upgrade of a 3rd party product that requires B > that the disk be in ODS-5 format.  We are faced with an extendedF > downtime on that disk to BACKUP copy and BACKUP restore that disk to > convert it to ODS-5 format.  > 1 > Is there some other "convert in place" utility?       set volume/structure_level=5   -    which has been around as long as ODS-5 has    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 13:16:37 -0700 From: JimStrehlow@data911.com , Subject: Re: ods 2 to ods 5 convert in placeC Message-ID: <1116360997.797249.227250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    I thought I had to use/ BACKUP/IMAGE/CONVERT  dunn:  dunn:/noinitialize   / I am glad to hear that it is as simple as that.  I am glad that I asked.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:45:29 GMT ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>L Subject: Re: Perl and binmode (was Re: DUMP /ASCII - Request for Guy Peleg?)2 Message-ID: <duuie.5595$_T4.4470@news.cpqcorp.net>  A "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in message  news:craigberry-:  :  > > >  Hein wrote @ > > > > open (FILE,"<$file") or die "Failed to open file $file"; > > > > binmode FILE; [...]  : H > The standard binmode() doesn't actually do anything on recent versionsE > of Perl on VMS for the following reasons (or to be more precise, it G > affects only Perl's internal I/O layers that sit on top of CRTL calls ( > that in turn sit on top of RMS calls). > H > A Unix or Windows application that calls binmode() generally wants oneE > thing and one thing only from it, namely to get a stream of data in H > which line ending characters are not interpreted as record boundaries.  ? If you say so, but that's not what Unix or Windows itself does. J In binmode it just gives me all the bytes, whether they happen to be null, lf or otherwise.  @ When i run that same dump.p on unix of windows, it simply works.K Of course getting the file there is tricky, because FTP BIN mode also turns J out not really to be binary and silently destroys my data. You have to SETL FILE/ATTR=RFM=UDF to transfer it byte-for-byte equal (or the more often used( SET FILE/ATTRI=(RFM=FIX,MRS=512,LRL=512)    F > This can be thought of as a special instance of treating metadata asI > data, though in the contexts where it is applicable, there really isn't.& > any metadata in the file, only data.  L If you say so. But if my data happens to be a binary word with a byte count,I some data bytes and so on  then that is my business and only my business. H IMHO of course. Others will argue that I should then not label such data file as variable length record.e  H > RMS's ctx=bin is a much bigger hammer simply because there are so manyA > kinds of metadata on VMS, and in most cases you do not want thes > metadata.y  J Beg to differ. I mostly want the meta data myself. I rarely care about the data, but that's me :-)nK But it is a moot point as is not a perl choice. The CRTL makes this choice.  :-(.8 It mucks with the data based on the file attributes :-(.  J > Usually getting the control characters from a VFC file, for  example, is the wrong thing to do.  H How can that be wrong? If my application stores a 8 bytes printable lineG number in the VFC portion then IMHO I shoud be able to get to that fromu4 perl/crtl. How can making data inaccesible be right?  I >  The CRTL has generally already made a decision about what data to feed C > back to the program, so binmode() for its traditional purposes isg# > seldom or never necessary on VMS.f  H Exactly. I kinda forgot that. I don't know why I did not get upset about this years ago.t8 (Maybe I did but forgot about getting upset about it :-)  E > So, what if you do want to get the VMS-specific metadata in all itsoH > glory?  You can pass "ctx=bin" to VMS::Stdio::vmssysopen() just as you@ > would the the various CRTL functions that support optional RMSE > arguments.  Or you can call VMS::Stdio::binmode() afterwards, whicha  > reopens the file with ctx=bin.  E Tried that, It changes behaviour, but I am sorry to report that stillt
 doesn't work. B CRTL will still 'help' and destroy my data while trying to 'help'.   Oh well, Hein.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:24:37 -0400a4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>% Subject: Problems receiving SMTP mail + Message-ID: <3eur7aF53vvkU1@individual.net>d  E Yesterday morning someone sent me an e-mail to my weaverconsulting.ca G address from an earthlink address. All day long I saw Operator messages H that there was an incoming connection from an earthlink mail server. ButH I did not get a message. This morning the person sent a copy of the mailG to my sympatico.ca address and it was rather short and plain text only.oF Then another message was sent to my weaverconsulting.ca address and itE arrived after three attempts by the mail server. The original messagedH from yesterday is still trying to be delivered. Below is the output fromE the last few lines of TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG showing a "read failed" 3 error. Does anyone know what might be causing this?a  1 HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5f0 on an AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V8.2   #smtp_net_util\353= smtp_read_reply,fd=3,buf=,len=4096,cookie=1,timemin=5,timenow3 17-MAY-2005 13:39:29.18e1 #smtp_read_reply:B4 select: vaxc$errno=1, errno=0n4 #smtp_read_reply:After select: vaxc$errno=1, errno=0  #smtp_read_reply:select:status=1( #smtp_read_reply:rmask=8,wmask=0,emask=0/ #smtp_read_reply:recv:status=0, vaxc$errno=8428oB recv_serv: read failed; status=0x20ec; iosb[0]=0x1, iosb[1]=0x7ae2 Entering smtp_deliv_closep? %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link5     -- 5 Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.r Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX: www.weaverconsulting.car   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:50:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>p) Subject: Re: Problems receiving SMTP mail , Message-ID: <428A6721.3040A358@teksavvy.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:sJ > that there was an incoming connection from an earthlink mail server. But > I did not get a message.   > #smtp_net_util\353? > smtp_read_reply,fd=3,buf=,len=4096,cookie=1,timemin=5,timenow  > 17-MAY-2005 13:39:29.18s3 > #smtp_read_reply:B4 select: vaxc$errno=1, errno=0*6 > #smtp_read_reply:After select: vaxc$errno=1, errno=0    & $DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_TRACE 1  E then constantly look at the receiver log files (since they erase each H other depending on ho wmany versions you allow). This will tell you whatO kind of conversation happened and where the message fails in the SMTP protocol.   F You need not stop/start the mail service since the receive is an image@ that is activated from fresh whenever a call comes into port 25.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:01:46 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com + Subject: Re: The continuing saga of the VAX - Message-ID: <871x85wx2t.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  B > Actually, all I got were the panels and mounting hardware to putC > them in one of my racks once I have it all running.  Both labeled ; > "A", but I don't think that's going to be a problem.  :-)I  E One thing that can bite with SCs. Don't let the case get earthed. YoueD may have noticed the perspex mounting brackets, they are there for aD good reason. Good thing is it uses no power so you can stuff it in a0 plastic bag or bucket to keep the case floating.   -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:14:30 GMTj# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20n2 Message-ID: <qorie.5569$%K4.2530@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <1116269719.196600.120350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes:iG :I don't suppose there is any way that VMS would boot on a DS20L?  It'svD :not listed as supported on the SPD nor the SC20 information.  I wasB :just wondering if it were close enough to a DS20E that the proper' :hardware layer files would still work.l  I   The AlphaServer DS20L and the AlphaServer SC20 series are not supported-H   by OpenVMS Alpha, and are similar to the AlphaServer DS20 series boxes   in their model names only.  I   I know of no plans to add support -- this decision to not implement the2H   OpenVMS Alpha support is long-standing, was extensively discussed hereC   in the newsgroups, back when the AlphaServer DS20L series box was I   originally announced.  These boxes specifically targeted Tru64 UNIX and    Linux customers.  I   IIRC, the bridge chipset in this box is not supported by OpenVMS Alpha.o  I   If you feel up to writing and debugging OpenVMS Alpha loadable code foraJ   the chipset, then you have a chance -- but otherwise, I would not expectH   this particular configuration to successfully bootstrap OpenVMS Alpha.  I   If you have a particular application and want to negotiate the addition:F   of OpenVMS Alpha support for this series, I can certainly put you inA   contact with the appropriate OpenVMS business management folks.t  J   Alternative boxes for this class of application would include the rx1620I   and rx2620 series server boxes, and these are supported by OpenVMS I64.s    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq@N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comm   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 15:35:51 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>S Subject: Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20rB Message-ID: <1116369351.729002.40420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: E > In article <1116269719.196600.120350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,r= "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes:aC > :I don't suppose there is any way that VMS would boot on a DS20L?N It'sF > :not listed as supported on the SPD nor the SC20 information.  I wasD > :just wondering if it were close enough to a DS20E that the proper) > :hardware layer files would still work.s >aA >   The AlphaServer DS20L and the AlphaServer SC20 series are nott	 supportedtD >   by OpenVMS Alpha, and are similar to the AlphaServer DS20 series boxesb >   in their model names only. >rG >   I know of no plans to add support -- this decision to not implement- thehE >   OpenVMS Alpha support is long-standing, was extensively discussedh hereE >   in the newsgroups, back when the AlphaServer DS20L series box wastG >   originally announced.  These boxes specifically targeted Tru64 UNIXr andr >   Linux customers.  0 I forgot to do a search on that.  My bad. Sorry.   >JD >   IIRC, the bridge chipset in this box is not supported by OpenVMS Alpha. > G >   If you feel up to writing and debugging OpenVMS Alpha loadable codeP for E >   the chipset, then you have a chance -- but otherwise, I would not  expectC >   this particular configuration to successfully bootstrap OpenVMSg Alpha. > B >   If you have a particular application and want to negotiate the additionE >   of OpenVMS Alpha support for this series, I can certainly put youy inC >   contact with the appropriate OpenVMS business management folks.a  C Thanks but that's a bit out of my league.  I was just interested in E them from a hobbyist's point of view.  The reason I asked was becauseiF for the last month someone has been selling them on Ebay for about $1KG each - quite a bargain for a dual 833Mhz EV6 (EV67?) with 1GB of memoryaD and 36GB SCSI disk.  Also there were 3 with 2GB of memory which wentF for just over $1K as a group.  Far cheaper than the usual for anything' with a CPU newer than a EV56.  Oh well./   >cE >   Alternative boxes for this class of application would include thei rx1620F >   and rx2620 series server boxes, and these are supported by OpenVMS I64. >i  G Also far above my hobbyist price range - for now (I'm watching though).r   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2005 12:00:26 -0700" From: "Bill Law" <blaw@cincom.com>< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?C Message-ID: <1116356426.160004.297360@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>e  E Thank you for suggestions.  I have tried them all.  Here are results:r  ) > $ ANALYZE/AUDIT/SINCE SYS$MANAGER:/FULL. Nothing.   > $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL= Device MBA5844:, device type local memory mailbox, is online,  record-orientedt&     device, shareable, mailbox device.      F     Error count                 0    Operations completed            0F     Owner process              ""    Owner UIC                   [LAW]-     Owner process ID     00000000    Dev Prote S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLeF     Reference count             2    Default buffer size            64  , Users A and B create the *same* object name.  B Both users A and B have NETMBX, TMPMBX, WORLD, SYSPRV, SYSNAM, AND SYSLCK.   E When program 1 is running from either user then NCP SHOW KNOWN OBJECT E shows the new object.  When the program is stopped then the object is E not listed.  I have also tried NCP CLEAR OBJECT and NCP PURGE OBJECT.a  : Yes, users A and B are run sequentially, not concurrently.  E It would seem the object is truly destructed after image exit becauses NCP CLEAR OBJECT returns: 2     %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Object  G There are no known logical names which could interfere.  But to be sure C I did deassign/group/all, logged out, and then logged back in using B username/nocommand to prevent recreation of private logical names.  D The problem has all the feel of access control.  The online help for5 the reject message lists the following possibilities:m*     o The object requested does not exist.:     o The access control information specified is invalid.'     o The partner NSP has no resources.h:     o The partner task exited during the connect sequence.,     o The partner task rejected the connect.? from which access control is the only likely culprit.  But I am E completely unable to identify what or where an access control is set.   : I'm looking for more ideas.  All help greatly appreciated.   Cheers, Bill  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:57:18 -0400w' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>i< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?0 Message-ID: <118kq49nqq78u73@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Law wrote:iG > Thank you for suggestions.  I have tried them all.  Here are results:e >  > ) >>$ ANALYZE/AUDIT/SINCE SYS$MANAGER:/FULL  > 
 > Nothing. >  >  >>$ SHOW DEVICE/FULL > ? > Device MBA5844:, device type local memory mailbox, is online,6 > record-oriented ( >     device, shareable, mailbox device. >  >  > H >     Error count                 0    Operations completed            0H >     Owner process              ""    Owner UIC                   [LAW]/ >     Owner process ID     00000000    Dev Prot  > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL4H >     Reference count             2    Default buffer size            64 > . > Users A and B create the *same* object name. > D > Both users A and B have NETMBX, TMPMBX, WORLD, SYSPRV, SYSNAM, AND	 > SYSLCK.  > G > When program 1 is running from either user then NCP SHOW KNOWN OBJECT-G > shows the new object.  When the program is stopped then the object is G > not listed.  I have also tried NCP CLEAR OBJECT and NCP PURGE OBJECT.s > < > Yes, users A and B are run sequentially, not concurrently. > G > It would seem the object is truly destructed after image exit becauseu > NCP CLEAR OBJECT returns: 4 >     %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Object > I > There are no known logical names which could interfere.  But to be sure E > I did deassign/group/all, logged out, and then logged back in using D > username/nocommand to prevent recreation of private logical names. > F > The problem has all the feel of access control.  The online help for7 > the reject message lists the following possibilities:M, >     o The object requested does not exist.< >     o The access control information specified is invalid.) >     o The partner NSP has no resources.e< >     o The partner task exited during the connect sequence.. >     o The partner task rejected the connect.A > from which access control is the only likely culprit.  But I amiG > completely unable to identify what or where an access control is set.  > < > I'm looking for more ideas.  All help greatly appreciated. >  > Cheers, Bill  :-)- >   E SYSNAM indicates the likelyhood of system level logical names.  Such oH will persist after the creating process exits.  A specific logical name  deletion is required.u  F The service may assume a copy is already running, if the logical name G already exists, thus exit gracefully.  But no service exists, thus the M4 problem when client B attemps to access the service.   Hey, just a wild ass guess.    Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:00:24 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>n< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?, Message-ID: <428A6960.CCD3F770@teksavvy.com>   Bill Law wrote: < > I'm looking for more ideas.  All help greatly appreciated.  E Have you tried it from DCL, perhaps it might give more detailed error 5 messages since DCL will list multiple error messages.   ' $OPEN/READ/WRITE temp node::"0=objname"     C Also, what if you run the serve on account B, and try the client ons! account A ? does this also fail ?cI A known object is supposed to be accessible from ANY account on ANY node.-    F Are you 100% sure that both accunts have enabled the same privileges ?  E Another more traumatic thing you might try is to stop decnet, restart H decnet, and then run it from account B first. If it works and then failsQ from account A, it would show some residual stuff remaining from object creation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:03:25 -0400n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 9 Subject: Re: Wonder what an Xbox 360 runs under the hood?s, Message-ID: <RLidnWjMPPy7wRffRVn-vg@igs.net>  
 -Andy- wrote:a8 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> enlightened us on 17 May > 2005 > with:u >b5 >> Yesterday Sony unveiled their new Playstation withn >> the IBM-Toshiba 'cell' chip.i >>4 >> All these powerful computers in people's hands at5 >> home sounds like the opportunity of a lifetiome to & >> 'hack' them and run VMS on them :-) >,8 > You mean like porting SIMH to one of these (XBox, PS2,9 > whatever other game console you can attach a hard drived% > to) and running VMS on it that way?-     Nah, I mean running native -  :  Here are the specifications of the Playstation 3 in full:H CPU: Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz 1 VMX vector unit per core 512KB L2 cache 7 x SPE @3.2GHzd 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPEK * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy total floating point performance: 218  GFLOPSL GPU: RSX @550MHz 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance Full HD (up to 1080p)L x 2 channels Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines; Sound: Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing) ; Memory: 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHzo# System Bandwidth: Main RAM 25.6GB/sl
 VRAM 22.4GB/soF RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read) SB 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)+ System Floating Point Performance: 2 TFLOPSr) Storage: HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1r% I/O: USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0) " Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1 SD standard/mini x 1 CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1-K Communication: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 +h output x 2)l Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g L Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR) Controller: Bluetooth (up to 7) USB2.0 (wired)  Wi-Fi (PSP(R)) Network (over IP)5 AV Output: Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080pl HDMI HDMI out x 2  Analog AV MULTI OUT x 1y' Digital audio DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1u# Disc media CD PlayStation(R) CD-ROMe" * read only PlayStation(R)2 CD-ROM CD-DA CD-DA-I (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW SACD SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD DualDisc DualDiscr= (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side) DVD PlayStation(R)2 DVD-ROMhG PLAYSTATION(R)3 DVD-ROM DVD-Video DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RWl@ Blu-ray Disc PLAYSTATION(R)3 BD-ROM BD-Video BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE      For what....something like $899?         --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.275 ************************