1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 279       Contents:5 Re: Are there any original terminals for sale? Still?  CDD and privileges Edit a file from within a .COM" Re: Edit a file from within a .COM" Re: Edit a file from within a .COM" Re: Edit a file from within a .COM" Re: Edit a file from within a .COM" Re: Edit a file from within a .COM Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation, Re: Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp?' HP - why isn't VMS running these sites?  Re: HP 2Q05 results 1 Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising ! Re: message ident length question ! Re: message ident length question ! Re: message ident length question   Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up  Re: Now that my VAX is up   Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS* Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMS* Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMS Re: Valid IP Address Re: Valid IP Address Re: Valid IP Address Re: Valid IP Address Re: Valid IP Address Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20 Re: VMS for DS20l/SC203 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object? < [OT]:Software patents gone awry - this one granted yesterday  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:36:22 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com > Subject: Re: Are there any original terminals for sale? Still?- Message-ID: <878y2btbp5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   # Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:   @ > Wow! They don't come cheap though do they? Almost $500 for the > simplest VT510.   B Last ones I got was a dozen mixed vt5xx and 4xxs. On the curb, $0. No power cords thought :(    Anyone got too many LK450s...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:49:40 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: CDD and privileges 9 Message-ID: <586je.21258$JU3.114119@wagner.videotron.net>    Hi  D I installed CDD and all the required stuff (RDB etc) from one VAX toJ another, without the CD (of course, there was no CD when CDD was installedD on the original VAX). I did not have the installation kit (that TK50! cartridge is probably long dead).   E Now I've got it working, but it seems like a "normal" user needs some J provileges in order to create file descriptions in the CDD dictionary. The; SYSTEM account can do it but an non-privileged user cannot.    $ cddl/repl/nolist f.ddl-         0001    DEFINE RECORD PFCF357INF_REC.                  1 9 %CDDL-E-CDDERROR, error encountered while creating record C %CDD-E-NOPRIV, you do not have sufficient privilege to perform this 	 operation *         0100    END PFCF357INF_REC RECORD.*                                          1C %CDDL-E-RECNOTCRE, error in record definition -- record not created    Informational: 0 Warnings:      0 Errors:        3 Fatal Errors:  0  E ----> Note the %CDD-E-NOPRIV, you do not have sufficient privilege to  perform this operation  G How do I set privileges? I think it`s something to do with DTR, which I K haven`t used for about 15 years. If that is so I will have another problem,  as:    $ @sys$system:dtr L $ !  Copyright (c) 1987 Digital Equipment Corporation.  All rights reserved.
 $ SET NOON! $ IF "" .NES. "" THEN DTR$COMMAND  $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DTRECV ) %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match   & That`s CDD/PLUS 5.3 (dated 2-APR-1993)  
 Help please !    Thanks !   Syltrem    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 11:58:33 -07007 From: "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com> ' Subject: Edit a file from within a .COM C Message-ID: <1116529113.197918.182150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ i can't remember how to do this!  it' tough getting old!  :)  :)   OVMS 7.3-2, ALPHA ES45   i generate output #1 via;   ? $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1    ************F this is from my test area.  the production code produces 14 lines; all in the same format.   
 output #1:  ! ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 ! ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 ! ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 ! ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1   	 *********   8 NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2:  2 $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:2 $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:2 $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 parms:2 $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1 parms:   ********  F once the output #2 is created, it would then be executed to produce myD final output.  can this be done within a .COM or should i just stick with manual intervntion.   thanks.  ann    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:27:26 -0400 $ From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail>+ Subject: Re: Edit a file from within a .COM , Message-ID: <428c3f5c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  * <flamingomn@hotmail.com> wrote in message = news:1116529113.197918.182150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... A >i can't remember how to do this!  it' tough getting old!  :)  :)  >  > OVMS 7.3-2, ALPHA ES45 >  > i generate output #1 via;  > A > $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1  >  > ************H > this is from my test area.  the production code produces 14 lines; all > in the same format.  >  > output #1: > # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1  >  > *********  > : > NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2: > 4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1 parms: > 
 > ******** > H > once the output #2 is created, it would then be executed to produce myF > final output.  can this be done within a .COM or should i just stick > with manual intervntion. > 	 > thanks.  > ann  >   D DFU has a nice /FORM on its SEARCH to facilitate problems like this." DIRectory does not have this (yet)3 In a DCL command file your request might look like:    $open tmp tmp.tmp  $loop: $read/end=done tmp rec/ $if f$loc(";",rec).eq.f$len(rec) then goto loop , $write sys$output "search srt:",rec," parms"
 $goto loop $done:
 $close tmp  3 but then why not just do the search there and then? J Also, consider adding /NOHEAD/NOTRAIL to the DIR command and you will not  need the 'srt:'   L Personally I would us a simple editor. TPU or AWK to solve the question you  asked. For example:  I $ gawk /comm="/;/{print ""$search srt:"" $1 "" param""}" /out=search.tmp   elg.lis   + Or with perl, and directly piped  from dir:   L $ pipe dir  elg*.log;/since/col=1 | perl -ne "chop; print ""\$search srt:$_  param\n"" if /;/" > search.tmp   Or from within perl   K $ perl -e "foreach (` dir  elg*.log;/since/col=1`) {chop; print ""\$search  & srt:$_ param\n"" if /;/}" > search.tmp  8 Or just using perl with GLOBBING and file STAT operator:  L $ perl -e "foreach (<ELG*.LOG>) {print ""\$search srt:$_ param\n"" if -C $_  < 1}"   7 Of course I would just do the search in perl directly?!    btw...  G I created my test files with your list in tmp.tmp and a perl one liner:   & $ perl -ne "chop; `create $_`" tmp.tmp     :-)    Hein.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 13:50:25 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> + Subject: Re: Edit a file from within a .COM C Message-ID: <1116535825.272445.325620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote: B > i can't remember how to do this!  it' tough getting old!  :)  :) >  > OVMS 7.3-2, ALPHA ES45 >  > i generate output #1 via;  > A > $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1  >  > ************D > this is from my test area.  the production code produces 14 lines; all  > in the same format.  >  > output #1: > # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1  >  > *********  > : > NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2: > 4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1 parms: > 
 > ******** > E > once the output #2 is created, it would then be executed to produce  myF > final output.  can this be done within a .COM or should i just stick > with manual intervntion.  + There are many ways to do this. Here's one:   @ $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since/col=1/nohead/notrail/out=temp_file.one $ open/read in temp_file.out $ copy nl: temp_file.two $ open/append out temp_file.two  $l:  $ read/end=done in line # $ write out "$ sear ''line' parms:" 	 $ goto l:  $done:
 $ close in $ close out  $ @temp_file.two $ dele/nolog temp_file.out;* $ dele/nolog temp_file.two;*  B Note that when you use the "/nohead" qualifier, directory puts the3 device and directory on the line with the filename.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:53:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Edit a file from within a .COM , Message-ID: <428CFCC9.9E1D3AF4@teksavvy.com>   "flamingomn@hotmail.com" wrote: A > $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1   : > NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2: > 4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:   Another way to look at this:  , $OPEN/READ thelist dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis $loop1: # $	read/end=endloop1 thelist thefile  $	search 'thefile parms  $goto loop1  $!	 $endloop1  $write sys$output "All Done" $close thelist   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 14:16:57 -0700' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> + Subject: Re: Edit a file from within a .COM A Message-ID: <1116537417.285518.3460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote: B > i can't remember how to do this!  it' tough getting old!  :)  :) >  > OVMS 7.3-2, ALPHA ES45 >  > i generate output #1 via;  > A > $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1  >  > ************D > this is from my test area.  the production code produces 14 lines; all  > in the same format.  >  > output #1: > # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1  >  > *********  > : > NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2: > 4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1 parms: > 
 > ******** > E > once the output #2 is created, it would then be executed to produce  myF > final output.  can this be done within a .COM or should i just stick > with manual intervntion. > 	 > thanks.  > ann      Why not just do:  # $ search srt:elg*.log;/since parms:    ?   ? And, if by "final output" you mean to a file, use /out=filename     -Doug   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 17:40:04 -0700" From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk+ Subject: Re: Edit a file from within a .COM C Message-ID: <1116549604.804203.185520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote: B > i can't remember how to do this!  it' tough getting old!  :)  :) >  > OVMS 7.3-2, ALPHA ES45 >  > i generate output #1 via;  > A > $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1  >  > ************D > this is from my test area.  the production code produces 14 lines; all  > in the same format.  >  > output #1: > # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1  >  > *********  > : > NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2: > 4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1 parms: > 
 > ******** > E > once the output #2 is created, it would then be executed to produce  myF > final output.  can this be done within a .COM or should i just stick > with manual intervntion.  F I think you want my OPS.COM command procedure which can perform one orG more commands on a set of files from a wildcard selection. It may be on G a SIG tape from 10-15 years back, bit it's probably easier to e-mail me  for a copy.   
 $ HELP OPS OPS     F   OPS invokes a command procedure (SYS$COMFILE:OPS.COM) which  enables a  givenG   template command, or series of commands, to be performed on all files  selected$   by a DIRECTORY-type specification.  G   The commands may either be performed interactively, or written  to  a   command<   procedure file for later execution or submission to BATCH.  B  A typical example of the use of OPS is to compile or list all the files  in  a  particular directory.  B  The command syntax to execute selected commands interactively is:  <       $ OPS [DIRECTORY_specification [template_specification [repeat_count]]]9  OR   $ OPS [SEARCH_specification [template_specification  [repeat_count]]]  @  To create a command procedure for execution later, type the OPS command  alone@  and  answer  the questions (see HELP topic Command_templates).    Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:18:16 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation Q Message-ID: <OF37769A9F.978EB3D0-ON85257006.00647377-85257006.00646446@metso.com>    You might want to add OPTIONS L   F ] $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]OPTIONS L  G to your command to see a lot more of the DCL.  If you then post the log  section of interest, a? better answer may be possible. (It will still fail, of course.)   ; njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 01:25:18 PM:   E > I am attempting to install FMS Runtime on a freshly installed 7.3-2 F > Alpha system.  I keep getting a %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE error during theD > install.  It is driving me quite crazy and I am hoping there is anF > obvious fix.  Below is the complete log of the install.  Any help isI > appreciated.  I followed the install instructions completely at least 3 D > times and searched the internet but couldn't come up with anything	 > useful.  > 2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]  >  > D >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 >  >  > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 13:25.  > 1 > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  > @ > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: >        TCPIP$FTP_1 >        TCPIP$NTP_1, > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? YES@ > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? >  > + > The following products will be processed:  >  >   FMSFDV V2.5  >  > 8 >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 13:25 > 8 > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... >  >  >         Product:      FMS-RT >         Producer:     HP >         Version:      2.5 # >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004  >  > F > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and loaded? > YES < > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?G > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]? yes > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.C > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  > @ >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY >  > + >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 13:25 2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 11:42:30 -0700  From: njklostermann@cbegroup.com% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation C Message-ID: <1116528150.626744.298810@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   % Here it is with the L Option enabled:   & ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~E $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit] options L     B         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2     It is 19-MAY-2005 at 14:43.   / Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.   > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active:        TCPIP$FTP_1        TCPIP$NTP_1* * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? Yes> * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]?    ) The following products will be processed:   
   FMSFDV V2.5     6         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 14:43  < %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025] createdA %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDR.LOG;1  created A %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_NEW.LOG;1  created A %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_DEL.LOG;1  created B %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDEL.LOG;1 created A %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_MOD.LOG;1  created A %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_ACC.LOG;1  created A %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_REN.LOG;1  created 6 %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ...             Product:      FMS-RT         Producer:     HP         Version:      2.5 !         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004     D * Does this product have an authorization key registered and loaded? yes : * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?A * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]? < %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.A %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.   >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORYE %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSUPD]VMIMARKER00000447.DAT;1 deleted 
 (3 blocks)    )         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 14:44 = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: ! > You might want to add OPTIONS L  > F > ] $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]OPTIONS L  > E > to your command to see a lot more of the DCL.  If you then post the  log  > section of interest, aA > better answer may be possible. (It will still fail, of course.)  > = > njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 01:25:18 PM:  > G > > I am attempting to install FMS Runtime on a freshly installed 7.3-2 D > > Alpha system.  I keep getting a %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE error during the F > > install.  It is driving me quite crazy and I am hoping there is anE > > obvious fix.  Below is the complete log of the install.  Any help  isC > > appreciated.  I followed the install instructions completely at  least 3 F > > times and searched the internet but couldn't come up with anything > > useful.  > > 4 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~? > > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]  > >  > > F > >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 > >  > >  > > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 13:25.  > > 3 > > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  > > B > > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: > >        TCPIP$FTP_1 > >        TCPIP$NTP_1. > > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? YESB > > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? > >  > > - > > The following products will be processed:  > >  > >   FMSFDV V2.5  > >  > > : > >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 13:25 > > : > > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... > >  > >   > >         Product:      FMS-RT > >         Producer:     HP > >         Version:      2.5 % > >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004  > >  > > @ > > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and loaded?  > > YES > > > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?E > > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]?  yes @ > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.E > > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  > > B > >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY > >  > > - > >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 13:25 4 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:45:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation + Message-ID: <428CECCE.CA93BD3@teksavvy.com>   ! njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote: C > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]? > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.C > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.    try:  ( $CREATE SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]FDVSHR_TV.EXE$ Racooons like chocolate chip cookies <CTRL Z> $    Then try the install.   E Alternatively, extract the file KITINSTAL.COM from the .A saveset and B edit it to look for where it deals with the FDVSGR_TV file and youE shoudl see what it expects to see. Then, just feed the procedure with . what it expects to see and it will then work.   H After the installation, if the files it expects to see still contain the) text you typed in, just delete the files.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:54:21 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation Q Message-ID: <OF28BE0982.11DEAD36-ON85257006.006D0CDA-85257006.006D301A@metso.com>   * It's telling you the truth, unfortunately.  9 _TV is an emulation for Alpha of VAX.  This is a cut from  the installation KITINSTAL.COM   $ ! @ $ !  Put V2 FDVSHR in the System Library and install in IMAGELIB $ ! A $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE FMSFDV$ FDVSHR.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB] 
 'IMAGELIB' $ ! Added by Sandeep $ ARCH = F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME") $ IF ARCH .NES. "IA64" $ THEND $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE DECFMS$ FDVSHR_TV.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]D $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_FILE  DECFMS$ FDVSHR.IIF    VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB] $ ENDIF  $   ? Notice that if not an IA64 it wants the image reported missing.   " Here is the listing of the saveset  4 $backup/list FMSFDV025.A;/save/sel=kitinstal.com *.* Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          FMSFDV025.A Written by:        FMS" UIC:               [000270,000266]* Date:               7-JAN-2005 19:02:24.43F Command:           BACKUP/LOG/COMMENT=FMS Customized FMSFDV VMSINSTALL Kitbuild' Procedure/INTER/LOG/VERIFY FDV$KITBLD:* ( FMS$:[000000.BL25B.X2.FDVKIT]FMSFDV025.A /LABEL=(FMSFDV)/SAVE- Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.2  BACKUP version:    AXP721R0018 CPU ID register:   80000000  Node name:         _AERO:: Written on:        _DSA600:  Block size:        32256 Group size:        10  Buffer count:      56   G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVMSG.EXE;1                   19  17-DEC-2004  11:42:33G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVPLITRM.OBJ;1                10  17-DEC-2004  11:37:51G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVSHR.EXE;1                  762  17-DEC-2004  11:42:40G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVSTRTUP.COM;1                 3  11-APR-1984  09:04:34G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FMSFDV$IVP.COM;1                5  14-APR-2004  09:51:30G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]IVP.EXE;1                      64  17-DEC-2004  11:56:07G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]KITINSTAL.COM;1                21  17-DEC-2004  11:56:23   Total of 7 files, 884 blocks End of save set     # ..and there really is no such file.   $ We need to call support on this one.  ; njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 02:42:30 PM:   ' > Here it is with the L Option enabled:  > ( > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~G > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit] options L  >  > D >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 >  >  > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 14:43.  > 1 > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  > @ > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: >        TCPIP$FTP_1 >        TCPIP$NTP_1, > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? Yes@ > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? >  > + > The following products will be processed:  >  >   FMSFDV V2.5  >  > 8 >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 14:43 > > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025] createdC > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDR.LOG;1 	 > created C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_NEW.LOG;1 	 > created C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_DEL.LOG;1 	 > created D > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDEL.LOG;1	 > created C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_MOD.LOG;1 	 > created C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_ACC.LOG;1 	 > created C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_REN.LOG;1 	 > created 8 > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... >  >  >         Product:      FMS-RT >         Producer:     HP >         Version:      2.5 # >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004  >  > F > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and loaded? > yes < > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?C > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]? > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.C > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  > @ >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORYG > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSUPD]VMIMARKER00000447.DAT;1 deleted  > (3 blocks) >  > + >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 14:44 ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  >  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: # > > You might want to add OPTIONS L  > > H > > ] $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]OPTIONS > L  > > G > > to your command to see a lot more of the DCL.  If you then post the  > log  > > section of interest, aC > > better answer may be possible. (It will still fail, of course.)  > > ? > > njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 01:25:18 PM:  > > I > > > I am attempting to install FMS Runtime on a freshly installed 7.3-2 F > > > Alpha system.  I keep getting a %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE error during > the H > > > install.  It is driving me quite crazy and I am hoping there is anG > > > obvious fix.  Below is the complete log of the install.  Any help  > isE > > > appreciated.  I followed the install instructions completely at 	 > least 3 H > > > times and searched the internet but couldn't come up with anything
 > > > useful.  > > > 6 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A > > > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]  > > >  > > > H > > >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 > > >  > > > ! > > > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 13:25.  > > > 5 > > > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  > > > D > > > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: > > >        TCPIP$FTP_1 > > >        TCPIP$NTP_10 > > > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? YESD > > > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? > > >  > > > / > > > The following products will be processed:  > > >  > > >   FMSFDV V2.5  > > >  > > > < > > >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 13:25 > > > < > > > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... > > >  > > > " > > >         Product:      FMS-RT > > >         Producer:     HP > > >         Version:      2.5 ' > > >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004  > > >  > > > B > > > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and	 > loaded? 	 > > > YES @ > > > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?G > > > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]?  > yes B > > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.G > > > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  > > > D > > >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY > > >  > > > / > > >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 13:25 6 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:15:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation , Message-ID: <428CF3CD.EA1E79A6@teksavvy.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: % > ..and there really is no such file.  > & > We need to call support on this one.  E But to get it working, you may simply wish to create that file in the D temporary directory created by the installation procedure so that it doen't complain and proceeds.   @ If you don't use VEST, then at least you can start using it now.  B Would one be able to install the full FMS kit and use the run time; license to run applications (but not use the FMS editor). ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:55:28 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation Q Message-ID: <OF31A0C88F.603418B8-ON85257006.00730507-85257006.0072C88A@metso.com>   
 [New text]   Known problem  ;)   E They promise a kit or patch to fix this is in the works, no date yet.   - Here is the official temporary fix procedure:    Quote>  : The image FDVSHR_TV.EXE is normally only used by code that@ was vested (DECmigrate VEST utility) to OpenVMS Alpha, i.e., you" did not recompile/relink on Alpha.  C If you want you could modify the KITINSTAL.COM file in this kit and  remove/comment these two lines:   F   $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE DECFDV$ FDVSHR_TV.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]F   $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_FILE     DECFDV$ FDVSHR.IIF VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]   To modify the kit:     $ CREATE/DIR [.TMP] "   $ BACKUP DECFDV025.A/SAVE [.TMP]G   $ EDIT [.TMP]KITINSTAL.COM       ! comment/remove the two lines above    $ PURGE/KEEP=1 [.TMP] %   $ BACKUP [.TMP]*.* DECFDV025.A/SAVE   ! Then you can install again using:   -   $ @sys$update:vmsinstal decfdv025 dev:[dir]   @ Once installed (kit and license), you can test your application.@ If it required the FDVSHR_TV image, you would immediately get an3 error if you did not already have an older version.    <Unquote  < I would remove the entire if-statement quoted in my message, below.  ; Also, if you want the two files for completeness or in case 8 your application does in fact need them, they are in the saveset    [DECFMS025.KIT]HPFMS025.B;1   0 on the CD and can be extracted into sys$share by  1 $backup/log ddcu:[DECFMS025.KIT}HPFMS025.a/save - 9 /sel=(FDVSHR_TV.EXE;,FDVSHR.IIF) sys$common:[syslib]*.*;- 
 /owner=parent   * I'd check the protection afterwards, also.  8 ========================================================   [End new text]  * It's telling you the truth, unfortunately.  9 _TV is an emulation for Alpha of VAX.  This is a cut from  the installation KITINSTAL.COM   $ ! @ $ !  Put V2 FDVSHR in the System Library and install in IMAGELIB $ ! A $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE FMSFDV$ FDVSHR.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB] 
 'IMAGELIB' $ ! Added by Sandeep $ ARCH = F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME") $ IF ARCH .NES. "IA64" $ THEND $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE DECFMS$ FDVSHR_TV.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]D $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_FILE  DECFMS$ FDVSHR.IIF    VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB] $ ENDIF  $   ? Notice that if not an IA64 it wants the image reported missing.s  " Here is the listing of the saveset  4 $backup/list FMSFDV025.A;/save/sel=kitinstal.com *.* Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          FMSFDV025.A Written by:        FMS" UIC:               [000270,000266]* Date:               7-JAN-2005 19:02:24.43F Command:           BACKUP/LOG/COMMENT=FMS Customized FMSFDV VMSINSTALL Kitbuild' Procedure/INTER/LOG/VERIFY FDV$KITBLD:*M( FMS$:[000000.BL25B.X2.FDVKIT]FMSFDV025.A /LABEL=(FMSFDV)/SAVE- Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.2n BACKUP version:    AXP721R0018 CPU ID register:   80000000t Node name:         _AERO:: Written on:        _DSA600:  Block size:        32256 Group size:        10e Buffer count:      56t  G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVMSG.EXE;1                   19  17-DEC-2004  11:42:33G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVPLITRM.OBJ;1                10  17-DEC-2004e 11:37:51G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVSHR.EXE;1                  762  17-DEC-2004o 11:42:40G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVSTRTUP.COM;1                 3  11-APR-1984i 09:04:34G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FMSFDV$IVP.COM;1                5  14-APR-2004l 09:51:30G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]IVP.EXE;1                      64  17-DEC-2004  11:56:07G [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]KITINSTAL.COM;1                21  17-DEC-2004  11:56:23   Total of 7 files, 884 blocks End of save sete    " .and there really is no such file.  $ We need to call support on this one.  ; njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 02:42:30 PM:e  ' > Here it is with the L Option enabled:n >S( > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~G > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit] options L  >i >PD >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 >/ >0 > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 14:43.c >s1 > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  >h@ > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: >        TCPIP$FTP_1 >        TCPIP$NTP_1, > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? Yes@ > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? >e >t+ > The following products will be processed:t >m >   FMSFDV V2.5r >i >@8 >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 14:43 >e> > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025] createdC > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDR.LOG;1g	 > creatednC > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_NEW.LOG;1 	 > created C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_DEL.LOG;1n	 > created D > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDEL.LOG;1	 > createdeC > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_MOD.LOG;1 	 > createdrC > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_ACC.LOG;1-	 > created-C > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_REN.LOG;1 	 > createdu8 > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... >6 >2 >         Product:      FMS-RT >         Producer:     HP >         Version:      2.5f# >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004w >o >tF > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and loaded? > yes < > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?C > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]?"> > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.C > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  >-@ >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORYG > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSUPD]VMIMARKER00000447.DAT;1 deleted  > (3 blocks) >  >l+ >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 14:44 ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 >  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: # > > You might want to add OPTIONS L1 > >DH > > ] $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]OPTIONS > La > > G > > to your command to see a lot more of the DCL.  If you then post theD > logR > > section of interest, aC > > better answer may be possible. (It will still fail, of course.)I > >k? > > njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 01:25:18 PM:1 > >rI > > > I am attempting to install FMS Runtime on a freshly installed 7.3-2 F > > > Alpha system.  I keep getting a %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE error during > the H > > > install.  It is driving me quite crazy and I am hoping there is anG > > > obvious fix.  Below is the complete log of the install.  Any helpA > isE > > > appreciated.  I followed the install instructions completely at-	 > least 3aH > > > times and searched the internet but couldn't come up with anything
 > > > useful.  > > >:6 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A > > > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]h > > >o > > > H > > >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 > > >v > > > ! > > > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 13:25.: > > >n5 > > > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.e > > >.D > > > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: > > >        TCPIP$FTP_1 > > >        TCPIP$NTP_10 > > > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? YESD > > > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? > > >i > > > / > > > The following products will be processed:a > > >L > > >   FMSFDV V2.54 > > >; > > >:< > > >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 13:25 > > >R< > > > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... > > >3 > > >;" > > >         Product:      FMS-RT > > >         Producer:     HP > > >         Version:      2.5 ' > > >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004r > > >  > > >sB > > > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and	 > loaded?-	 > > > YES @ > > > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?G > > > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]?$ > yestB > > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.G > > > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.e > > >oD > > >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY > > >  > > >e/ > > >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 13:25i6 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >  >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:27:24 -0500t, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>5 Subject: Re: Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp?50 Message-ID: <JpCdnVUTbMNkoRDfRVn-og@comcast.com>  H I see we quickly went from "Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp" to < other stuff.  Can we please stay on topic.  Please.  Thanks.  J Getting back on topic, I did write to the Mark Hurd email address on HP's M web site and suggested he go to the bootcamp in June.  I also mentioned this  I to Ann McQuaid and she said that Mark Hurd's schedule prevented him from e
 attending.   I tried.   Dave...n  / "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message i& news:u86dnaV7pOuOMBHfRVn-qg@igs.net... > AEF wrote: >> John Smith wrote: >>> Subject line says it all.F >>> H >>> If so, I hope he'll do more for us than strike a pose with a t-shirt >>> and license plate. >>>D >>>m >>> --F >>> OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling
 >>> ISV base.  >> >>I >> How about "The awesome, but never-advertised operating system with thee >> dwindling ISV base"?d >: >c > I was toying with: >n3 > OpenVMS - The "Thor's Hammer of operating systemsr >d >  > From Wikipedia:t >DH > Thor is much more the god of the common man, often siding with mortalsG > against other gods. Thor was an outright hero for mankind, powerfully: > defeating his enemies .... >aJ > Thor owned a short-handled war hammer, Mjollnir, which, when thrown at aK > target, returned magically to the owner. To wield this formidable weapon,hK > even a deity like Thor needed special iron gloves and a belt that doubledn > the wearer's strength.H > ..... With the hammer, Thor indulged in his favourite sport of killing	 > giants.} >  >rL > but then there's this to contend with, which would only cause confusion in
 > the aisles:GL > Thor's Hammer is the first supercomputer using the Red Storm architecture.B > It will be installed at Sandia National Laboratories, located inK > Albuquerque, New Mexico.The project is a collaboration between Cray Inc. h > ande= > Sandia Labs. The machine is slated to be installed in 2004.- >-L > It is a 3 dimensional mesh-based MIMD machine consisting of 10,368 computeJ > nodes, 10 TB of total distributed memory and 120 TB of disk storage. TheI > system uses AMD 64 bit, dual-core Opteron CPUs as processing nodes. TheeG > system consists of 140 cabinets, taking up 3000 square feet (280 m).  > H > The system is meant to be a replacement for the earlier ASCI Red. The  > system9 > will have a theoretical peak of 40 Tera-ops per second.* >* >  > --H > OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV > base.o >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:58:59 -0400M# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>M0 Subject: HP - why isn't VMS running these sites?, Message-ID: <h_2dnRKw5e69YxHfRVn-rQ@igs.net>  L http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=DAE1LHLCVY1KIQSN$ DBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=163104839    2 These are just the sort of customers who need VMS.      G Credit-Card Web Sites Leave The Dial-Up Crowd In The Dust, Report FindsO   May 17, 2005    ? Credit-card sites also vary considerably in their availability,c2 Web-performance-monitoring firm Keynote concludes.   By Elena Malykhina InformationWeekk      J Web sites run by some of the largest U.S. credit-card companies aren't allF that reliable in terms of response and availability, concludes a studyJ released Tuesday by E-business performance-management firm Keynote SystemsE Inc. And credit-card companies appear to be ready to leave behind the:J sizeable minority of people still trying to work over dial-up connections.   ......   <snip>   .....n  K Downtime also affected many of the sites studied, even during peak periods.rJ Bank of America and MBNA were down less than three hours during the courseJ of a month, while the worst sites reported more than 19 hours of downtime,H according to Keynote. "If you're unreliable, you're going end up pushingI people into other channels," Rushlo says. A site that's down on a regularmG basis ends up pushing a higher percentage of customers to call centers,nB which is a much more expensive way of servicing customers than the  self-service sites, Rushlo says.  F As result, only Bank of America and MBNA have shown to be close to 99%J reliable. The average for all of the sites was about 97.5%. That's a lowerI average than expected for this industry, Rushlo says, and the worst siteshL had availability of just under 94%. That gap surprised Rushlo: "The InternetF is not new, and you would think that there would be more maturity now,F especially for some of these sites that are so dependent on the online	 channel."o             --L OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:18:56 -0400t# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>L Subject: Re: HP 2Q05 results, Message-ID: <Auudna45FfUARRHfRVn-oQ@igs.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C55C7D.B1955B30r Content-Type: text/plain;i 	charset="iso-8859-1"m+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable_   Re: HP 2Q05 resultsPaddy,L  G I saw an article yesterday discussing Intel....I don't have the exact =LJ URL refererence in-hand but will try to post it later today.......in the =C past 5 years Intel has purchased about 35 companies for aggregate =M@ consideration of about $11 billion. These were mostly software =
 companies.  F Most of the products for which Intel stated they were purchasing the =J companies for in the first place have been retired and not superceded by = newer versions.=20  D Sure...sell the Fortran guys to Intel and let Intel kill the Alpha =G Fortran compiler eventually....nice way to try and force customers to =h0 migrate to Itanic....or to Power eventually. ;-)     --=20;2 OpenVMS - Not advertised? Oh, HP must own it then.    E   "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message =-J news:8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE27@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid=	 .local...R    $   Had to send this by forwarding !!!     -----Original Message-----   From: O'Brien Paddys   Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 7:07 PMm%   To: JF Mezei; info-vax@mvb.saiv.comt   Subject: RE: HP 2Q05 results    G   Apologies to everyone.  I now have to use M$ web access, and when I = I reply, I cannot get rid of the originator.  When I reply to someone who =*E has munged their address, apparently none of my mail gets through.  =iG Thanks Bill III, you have managed to f**k almost everyone in the world.M  H   If I do get through, my comments are below the original message -- I =5 cannot even work out how to get the dead sergeant !!!;     -----Original Message-----6   From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]   Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 4:24 PM9   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma   Subject: Re: HP 2Q05 results     Dave Froble wrote:  H   > I'm aware that some people don't like to hear this subject.  Well itB   > happened.  It happened to people with long memories, and was = observed byoF   > more people with long memories.  Fool me once maybe, not twice.  = ThatD   > will be the attitude.  The advertising will have to be good, and   > protracted, and convincing.d  G   HP had the perfect opportunity to gain our trust and respect on may =r 7th.G   Stallard's memo should have acknowledged that VMS had been mismanaged F   and its potential not leveraged in the past and that under HP, VMS's&   potential would be fully developped.  H   Instead, he chose to use terms such as "plan of record" (which, to VMSG   folks is equated to Compaq screwing us when it murdered Alpha) and of.D   course the  VMS customers are expected to migrate to HP-UX on IA64   famous line.  G   As the new kid on the block, Hurd now has the same opportunity, amditl?   mistakes of the past and start off on the good foot and grainiH   credibility and respect. But before long, he will be seen a continuingG   the HP policy which has conserved the distrust VMS customers had in =e this   week's owner of VMS.  	   Me now:P  H   We really have to accept that DEC/Compaq/HP are no longer interested =F in us.  I work for a medium sized organisation that went from VMS to =J TRU64 to something else.  The incentive was using contractor vendors who =3 said that they would no longer support VMS systems.   5   I am lucky.  My group still heavily relies on our =u@ programs/applications being on VMS, so I run a development and =E production couple of boxes.  Part of our reliance is because we are =tI heavily involved with DECset for our code libraries.  And, within that, =0 DTM for validation of our code.n  E   We had to port some of our programs to the PC environment for our =tI engineers who have to work abroad at times.  Often quite a mammoth task = G because of using RTLs, and having to use DFLIB (if that's the correct =a name).  J   When I retire (shortly), our group will be looking to using commercial =E packages and loose the flexibility of home-grown and modifiable for =v specific instances code.  A   Our engineers use Matlab (as have I sometimes) for "quick and =eG dirties".  Mathworks gave up supporting VMS many years ago; we cannot =nI even increase the number of user licences.  We use the NAG library, and =mJ although they still support us on Alpha, the latest "Mark" can take over = a year to get to us.  I   The only reason that our group is surviving on VMS is because we have =MJ a small team (now two, was six a few years ago) maintaing and developing = our in-house programs.  I   We also had one of the best Fortran compilers.  Since the donation of =TG SL and many of his team to Intel (and the DXML library people), I see =TH Fortran now on our Alphas as a "mature product" -- no more development =G and over the past few years only minor bug-fixes.  We beta-ed about 4 = F versions starting from their original, until they threw it away (Hi, =J Ken).  It has gone the same way as FMS and GKS (and others -- DECset?).  == From hearsay (the c.l.f newsgroup), I do not want HP Fortran.   J   I don't think that anyone is able or inclined (even the mega-bucks guy =C -- Hurd) to re-vitalise what were some of the strengths that were =r positives for us.r     Regards, Paddy           =uG ***********************************************************************r  E   "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged,B   and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20E   addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of=20tE   this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviserE   the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=20~9   distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.0  E   If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20iD   immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20A   individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20~D   authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. TransGrid uses@   virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses   contained in any attachment.  >   Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now&   firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"     =TG ***********************************************************************   + ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C55C7D.B1955B30[ Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"y+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabled  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">. <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: HP 2Q05 results</TITLE>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =E charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR>- <STYLE></STYLE>0 </HEAD>S <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paddy,</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I saw an article yesterday discussing =
 Intel....I=200F don't have the exact URL refererence in-hand but will try to post it = later=20H today.......in the past 5 years Intel has purchased about 35 companies = for=20J aggregate consideration of about $11 billion. These were mostly software =   companies.</FONT></DIV> 4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most of the products for which Intel =s stated they=20H were purchasing the companies for in the first place have been retired =
 and not=20+ superceded by newer versions. </FONT></DIV>p< <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sure...sell the Fortran guys to Intel = and let Intel=20J kill the Alpha Fortran compiler eventually....nice way to try and force=20; customers to migrate to Itanic....or to Power eventually. =b ;-)</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>< <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><BR>--=20i< <BR>OpenVMS - Not advertised? Oh, HP must own it then.</DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20C style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =l3 BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">o    <DIV>"O'Brien Paddy" &lt;<A=20   = J href=3D"mailto:Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au">Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.co= m.au</A>&gt;=20t   wrote in message <A=20   =LJ href=3D"news:8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE27@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.t=J ransgrid.local">news:8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE27@EX-TG2-PR.cor=J porate.transgrid.local</A>...</DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format = --><BR>e4   <P><FONT size=3D2>Had to send this by forwarding = !!!<BR><BR>-----Original=20nC   Message-----<BR>From: O'Brien Paddy<BR>Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 7:07 =~ PM<BR>To: JF=20 9   Mezei; info-vax@mvb.saiv.com<BR>Subject: RE: HP 2Q05=20 H   results<BR><BR><BR>Apologies to everyone.&nbsp; I now have to use M$ = web=20G   access, and when I reply, I cannot get rid of the originator.&nbsp; =n	 When I=20tH   reply to someone who has munged their address, apparently none of my = mail gets=20C   through.&nbsp; Thanks Bill III, you have managed to f**k almost =w everyone in=20D   the world.<BR><BR>If I do get through, my comments are below the = original=20?C   message -- I cannot even work out how to get the dead sergeant=20 @   !!!<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: JF Mezei [<A=20   =FJ href=3D"mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksa= vvy.com</A>]<BR>Sent:=20I   Thu 5/19/2005 4:24 PM<BR>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR>Subject: Re: HP =o 2Q05=20.E   results<BR><BR>Dave Froble wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; I'm aware that some =  people don't=20uG   like to hear this subject.&nbsp; Well it<BR>&gt; happened.&nbsp; It =r happened=20tI   to people with long memories, and was observed by<BR>&gt; more people =i with=20aJ   long memories.&nbsp; Fool me once maybe, not twice.&nbsp; That<BR>&gt; =
 will be=20J   the attitude.&nbsp; The advertising will have to be good, and<BR>&gt;=20H   protracted, and convincing.<BR><BR>HP had the perfect opportunity to = gain our=20 @   trust and respect on may 7th.<BR>Stallard's memo should have = acknowledged that=20J   VMS had been mismanaged<BR>and its potential not leveraged in the past = and=204   that under HP, VMS's<BR>potential would be fully = developped.<BR><BR>Instead,=20J   he chose to use terms such as "plan of record" (which, to VMS<BR>folks = is=20oJ   equated to Compaq screwing us when it murdered Alpha) and of<BR>course =  ?   the&nbsp; VMS customers are expected to migrate to HP-UX on =V IA64<BR>famous=20 C   line.<BR><BR>As the new kid on the block, Hurd now has the same =O opportunity,=20HE   amdit<BR>mistakes of the past and start off on the good foot and=20yI   grain<BR>credibility and respect. But before long, he will be seen a=20 D   continuing<BR>the HP policy which has conserved the distrust VMS = customers had=20H   in this<BR>week's owner of VMS.<BR><BR>Me now:<BR><BR>We really have = to accept=20I   that DEC/Compaq/HP are no longer interested in us.&nbsp; I work for a = 	 medium=20l?   sized organisation that went from VMS to TRU64 to something =- else.&nbsp; The=20F   incentive was using contractor vendors who said that they would no =	 longer=20cH   support VMS systems.<BR><BR>I am lucky.&nbsp; My group still heavily = relies on=20F   our programs/applications being on VMS, so I run a development and =
 production=20 I   couple of boxes.&nbsp; Part of our reliance is because we are heavily =L involved=20 G   with DECset for our code libraries.&nbsp; And, within that, DTM for = 
 validation=20OE   of our code.<BR><BR>We had to port some of our programs to the PC =  environment=20I   for our engineers who have to work abroad at times.&nbsp; Often quite =P a=20J   mammoth task because of using RTLs, and having to use DFLIB (if that's = the=20D   correct name).<BR><BR>When I retire (shortly), our group will be =
 looking to=20 J   using commercial packages and loose the flexibility of home-grown and=20D   modifiable for specific instances code.<BR><BR>Our engineers use =
 Matlab (as=20 F   have I sometimes) for "quick and dirties".&nbsp; Mathworks gave up =
 supporting=20 B   VMS many years ago; we cannot even increase the number of user = licences.&nbsp;=20H   We use the NAG library, and although they still support us on Alpha, = the=20D   latest "Mark" can take over a year to get to us.<BR><BR>The only = reason that=20F   our group is surviving on VMS is because we have a small team (now = two, was=20m>   six a few years ago) maintaing and developing our in-house = programs.<BR><BR>We=20H   also had one of the best Fortran compilers.&nbsp; Since the donation = of SL and=20J   many of his team to Intel (and the DXML library people), I see Fortran =	 now on=20 H   our Alphas as a "mature product" -- no more development and over the = past few=202J   years only minor bug-fixes.&nbsp; We beta-ed about 4 versions starting = from=20 I   their original, until they threw it away (Hi, Ken).&nbsp; It has gone =  the same=20RG   way as FMS and GKS (and others -- DECset?).&nbsp; From hearsay (the =  c.l.f=20J   newsgroup), I do not want HP Fortran.<BR><BR>I don't think that anyone =
 is able=20J   or inclined (even the mega-bucks guy -- Hurd) to re-vitalise what were =
 some of=20>   the strengths that were positives for us.<BR><BR>Regards,=20   Paddy<BR></FONT></P><FONT=20   =/J size=3D3><BR><BR>********************************************************= ***************<BR><BR>"This=20 I   electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR>and=20 =   confidential information intended only for the use of the =d <BR>addressees named=20iJ   above. If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>this email, please =	 delete=20 D   the message and any attachment and advise<BR>the sender. You are =	 hereby=20PH   notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>distribution, reproduction =
 of this=20H   email is prohibited.<BR><BR>If you have received the email in error, =	 please=20wG   notify TransGrid <BR>immediately. Any views expressed in this email =t are those=20F   of the <BR>individual sender except where the sender expressly and = with=20eF   <BR>authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. TransGrid=20C   uses<BR>virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for=20]H   viruses<BR>contained in any attachment.<BR><BR>Please note the email =
 address=20   for TransGrid personnel is=20-   =AJ now<BR>firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR><BR>**********************=J *************************************************<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT>= </BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C55C7D.B1955B30--    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:14:59 GMT.> From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=): Subject: Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising; Message-ID: <1gwry3v.7ivyud16cs9j6N%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>   : Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote:   > 9 > Current advertising is for iPods.  Focus on shadows :-)w > : > Previous advertising was for iMacs.  Focus was on style. > > > There may have been a G5 advertisement.  Focus was on power. > H > But to the best of my knowledge, there have not been any ads (at leastK > not TV) touting the lack of virii or other security features of Mac OS X.  >   F Mainly because what is true today can backfire tommorow - if the firstB Mac OS X native virus surfaces then. Apple lets others - users and$ magazines - supply that information.  D However - Apple does mention viruses in several places in their web.> Seach the whole site for Virus or viruses and you will see ...? Most notably under Educattion, Small business and Real stories.5   -- T5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 14:12:34 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)b* Subject: Re: message ident length question- Message-ID: <nVFRLEu7fk5p@cuebid.zko.dec.com>n  6 kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:= > I've run into an interesting anomoly with the length of the C > identification portion of messages that can be output.  A message F > output usually consists of "facility-severity-identification, text".B > The message manual 31 is the max length (of prefix plus ident itF > seems), but the longest length ident I've be able to output is aboutD > 15.  If prefix plus ident is less than 31, but more than 15, I can> > compile and link it, but I won't see the full ident message. > ? > Did I miss something in the docs about ident <= 15 in length?p  H Interesting.  A quick search reveals a few status whose ident exceeds 15 characters.M  = $ search sys$library:starlet.req/match=and "ss$_", "_unavail"y  B (I had done a quick search by hand of [STARLET]SSMSG.MSG, and came# across these; there may be others).   ' literal SS$_CLIENT_UNAVAILABLE = 11810; ' literal SS$_DEVICE_UNAVAILABLE = 11834;Y' literal SS$_SERVER_UNAVAILABLE = 11906;c  	 But . . .y   $ exit 11906D %SYSTEM-E-SERVER_UNAVAILA, specified server is known but unavailable  ! The ident part is truncated . . .      --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comL   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 14:08:56 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)* Subject: Re: message ident length question3 Message-ID: <smrLXVEj7Wbc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <nVFRLEu7fk5p@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: 8 > kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:> >> I've run into an interesting anomoly with the length of theD >> identification portion of messages that can be output.  A messageG >> output usually consists of "facility-severity-identification, text"..C >> The message manual 31 is the max length (of prefix plus ident itYG >> seems), but the longest length ident I've be able to output is about E >> 15.  If prefix plus ident is less than 31, but more than 15, I can ? >> compile and link it, but I won't see the full ident message.  >> 1@ >> Did I miss something in the docs about ident <= 15 in length? > J > Interesting.  A quick search reveals a few status whose ident exceeds 15
 > characters.a > ? > $ search sys$library:starlet.req/match=and "ss$_", "_unavail"e > D > (I had done a quick search by hand of [STARLET]SSMSG.MSG, and came% > across these; there may be others).p > ) > literal SS$_CLIENT_UNAVAILABLE = 11810;c) > literal SS$_DEVICE_UNAVAILABLE = 11834;e) > literal SS$_SERVER_UNAVAILABLE = 11906;t >  > But . . .i >  > $ exit 11906F > %SYSTEM-E-SERVER_UNAVAILA, specified server is known but unavailable > # > The ident part is truncated . . .i  B Yep.  This is a display problem that is not critical, just a chin B scratcher.  When working on the cURL package I wanted to make the C VMS messages as close to the cURL stuff as possible.  So long as I 7@ kept their enum messages less than 26 chars in length (the curl_B prefix adds five) the message file would compile.  Anything longer# than 15, though, would get chopped.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:49:25 GMTu+ From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> * Subject: Re: message ident length questionB Message-ID: <pZ6je.4550$Ri4.2907@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   Marty Kuhrt wrote:= > I've run into an interesting anomoly with the length of theKC > identification portion of messages that can be output.  A messageAF > output usually consists of "facility-severity-identification, text".B > The message manual 31 is the max length (of prefix plus ident itF > seems), but the longest length ident I've be able to output is aboutD > 15.  If prefix plus ident is less than 31, but more than 15, I can> > compile and link it, but I won't see the full ident message. > 7 According to Section 3.1 of the Message Utility Manual:o IDENTeG Identifies a symbol of up to 15 characters that represents the message.i   Cheers,n jeco   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 11:01:47 -0700 From: brucedodds@comcast.net) Subject: Newbie with command file problemfB Message-ID: <1116525707.317817.80610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F The following one line DCL command file is not working.  It's supposedF to accept a single filename from the command line and copy the file to a different server..  1 ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.I COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*  D I have fiddled with this, replacing the "*.*" with a hard coded fileD name, for example. Whatever I have done, I keep getting prompted for "_To:".t   Help would be welcomed.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:25:06 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemaQ Message-ID: <OFFA348A9B.75366903-ON85257006.0064F472-85257006.00650477@metso.com>O  7 brucedodds@comcast.net wrote on 05/19/2005 02:01:47 PM:G  H > The following one line DCL command file is not working.  It's supposedH > to accept a single filename from the command line and copy the file to > a different server.V >R3 > ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.A > COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.* >mF > I have fiddled with this, replacing the "*.*" with a hard coded fileF > name, for example. Whatever I have done, I keep getting prompted for	 > "_To:".0 >A > Help would be welcomed.I > " I believe you need quoted strings:C  COPY 'P1' "SIMON"::"BKM:*.*"  if the target is not another OpenVMSO  system.  or "SIMON password"::SE Altenately, if P1 has no value, then 'P1' will be spaces and DCL willB see COPY  SIMON::BKM:*.*= and expecting the to-parameter wil give exactly what you see.n  J Also, the line should, in the command procedure, begin with a $-character.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 20:28:03 +0200. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem + Message-ID: <9tZaH6Dt7$yn@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>B  a In article <1116525707.317817.80610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, brucedodds@comcast.net writes:DH > The following one line DCL command file is not working.  It's supposedH > to accept a single filename from the command line and copy the file to > a different server.T > 3 > ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.0 > COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.* > F > I have fiddled with this, replacing the "*.*" with a hard coded fileF > name, for example. Whatever I have done, I keep getting prompted for	 > "_To:".s > 9 It looks as if 'P1' results in an empty string , so that h/ copy sees only SIMON::BKM:*.* as the first arg. * How exactly do You call the command-file ?0 Also try it with SET VERIFY and show the result.  a  d -- S6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:34:50 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>r- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem17 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050519123418441f1d@mail.gmail.com>e  L On 19 May 2005 20:28:03 +0200, Joseph Huber <huber@nobody-mppmu.mpg.de> wro= te:TL > In article <1116525707.317817.80610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, bruced= odds@comcast.net writes:J > > The following one line DCL command file is not working.  It's supposedJ > > to accept a single filename from the command line and copy the file to > > a different server.1 > > 5 > > ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.2 > > COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.* > >8H > > I have fiddled with this, replacing the "*.*" with a hard coded fileH > > name, for example. Whatever I have done, I keep getting prompted for > > "_To:".G > >K: > It looks as if 'P1' results in an empty string , so that1 > copy sees only SIMON::BKM:*.* as the first arg._, > How exactly do You call the command-file ?2 > Also try it with SET VERIFY and show the result. >=20 >=20 > --7 >   Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/- >=20 Two questions:  4 See if COPY has been redefined as a foreign command:  
 SHOW SYM COPY   D Have you tried using &p1 to force substitution instead of putting p1 in single quotes?M   WWWebb --=20rC NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request fora8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/p   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 12:36:13 -0700 From: brucedodds@comcast.net- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemlB Message-ID: <1116531373.436936.40960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  G Thanks, gents. Both of your suggestions were very helpful.  When I usedP the following code:A  1 ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.A $SET VERIFYo $COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*~  F and put a "@" in front of the procedure name at the command prompt, it worked.o  D I'm curious about the "@". I have an even simpler one line procedure containing:V  	 TYPE 'P1':  E That runs fine from the command prompt without the "@" . But the file  copy procedure bombed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:49:19 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem0, Message-ID: <428CFBCA.DC725B0E@teksavvy.com>   > > $SET VERIFYi > > $COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*   J With VMS, one rarely specifies wildcards in the target file specification.  F For VMS, any missing specification in the target is filled in with the source file specification.    
 For instance:o   COPY myfile.txt  .log  A  ( will result in myfile.log being created.    , copy disk1:[dir1.dir2]*.*  disk2:[dir3.dir4]  C will copy all files in the directory [dir1.dir2] to the [dir3.dir4]  directiry on a different disk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:59:43 -0400A From: norm.raphael@metso.com- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem Q Message-ID: <OFA3256736.C5C50350-ON85257006.00736778-85257006.00732C2C@metso.com>M   Try entering  
 HELP @<cr>  F and look at what it says.  If you still have questions, ask them here.  7 brucedodds@comcast.net wrote on 05/19/2005 03:36:13 PM:   I > Thanks, gents. Both of your suggestions were very helpful.  When I usedi > the following code:  > 3 > ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.s
 > $SET VERIFYi > $COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*  >dH > and put a "@" in front of the procedure name at the command prompt, it	 > worked.  >iF > I'm curious about the "@". I have an even simpler one line procedure
 > containing:n >r > TYPE 'P1't >.G > That runs fine from the command prompt without the "@" . But the filed > copy procedure bombed. >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:33:55 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem + Message-ID: <d6j48o$7i1$1@news01.intel.com>s   brucedodds@comcast.net wrote:wI > Thanks, gents. Both of your suggestions were very helpful.  When I usedS > the following code:l > 3 > ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.A
 > $SET VERIFYa > $COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*d > H > and put a "@" in front of the procedure name at the command prompt, it	 > worked.  > F > I'm curious about the "@". I have an even simpler one line procedure
 > containing:~ >  > TYPE 'P1'~ > G > That runs fine from the command prompt without the "@" . But the file: > copy procedure bombed.  E      Very confusing exchange here...what exactly do you type when you : *say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""?  @      To be concrete, a DCL command file shoudl always be invoked@ with the "@" sign.  Given a command file named BKM_COPY.COM that	 contains:   2 $! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM.  Wildcards are accepted $ Set Verify $ Copy 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*   one _should_ invoke this as:   $ @BKM_COPY some-file.name  1 Alternatively, a symbol _may_ be defined like so:r   $ BKM_COPY == "@BKM_COPY". $ BKM_COPY some-file.name   9 with which you to omit the *explicit* at-sign, since thatV< is included in the symbol definition.  (Note that it is good; practice to include the location of the command file in thel symbol definition...)t  C      Finally, one _may_ define the logical name DCL_PATH to include C some directory, or list of directories, to search for command filesgA and/or executables.  With DCL_PATH defined correctly, the at-signrB can be omitted for command files, and the "RUN" can be omitted for> executables.  However, there can be confusion if you have bothA a command file and an executable of the same name.  In this case, A I believe the command file is executed (but caveat emptor since Ie *never* use DCL_PATH!).g   	-Keno -- k6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldh! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 20:34:38 -0700 From: brucedodds@comcast.net- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem.C Message-ID: <1116560078.405414.233710@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ' >. . .what exactly do you type when youo< > *say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""?  F I created a file named TYPE_FILE.COM that had just the following line:	 TYPE 'P1'    Entering TYPE_FILE GPJSHQ.COMA at the command prompt caused the file GPJSHQ.COM to be typed. Thec4 leading "@" character wasn't needed for some reason.  C Thank you for the comment, and thanks for all of the comments here.  They have been helpful.d   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:24:46 -0500 (CDT)e* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemr2 Message-ID: <05051923244667_2860027B@antinode.org>   From: brucedodds@comcast.net  ) > >. . .what exactly do you type when you > > > *say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""?  H > I created a file named TYPE_FILE.COM that had just the following line: > TYPE 'P1'e > 
 > Entering > TYPE_FILE GPJSHQ.COMC > at the command prompt caused the file GPJSHQ.COM to be typed. Theh6 > leading "@" character wasn't needed for some reason. > E > Thank you for the comment, and thanks for all of the comments here.  > They have been helpful..  H    This is why it's helpful to exhibit your actions rather than describe them.N  B    "TYPE_FILE" is interpreted the same way as the command "TYPE". F DELETE (or RENAME to something entirely different) your TYPE_FILE.COM,! and see how much effect that has.   5    My guess was "TYPE.COM", but this is pretty close.y  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orge    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 04:40:00 +0000-7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>.- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemo* Message-ID: <428D6A20.1040500@bigpond.com>  , brucedodds@comcast.net mentioned in passing:( >>. . .what exactly do you type when you< >>*say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""? >  > H > I created a file named TYPE_FILE.COM that had just the following line: > TYPE 'P1'h > 
 > Entering > TYPE_FILE GPJSHQ.COMC > at the command prompt caused the file GPJSHQ.COM to be typed. The,6 > leading "@" character wasn't needed for some reason.  < The leading "@" was not needed because "TYPE_FILE" was being> interpreted as "TYPE" and hence your procedure was *not* being used...c  E > Thank you for the comment, and thanks for all of the comments here.  > They have been helpful.o  < Why would you (attempt to) create a command "TYPE_FILE" that did a "TYPE" command?l   Regards, Dave -- tB David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:33:06 -0700s& From: John Dundas <dundas@caltech.edu>" Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up; Message-ID: <dundas-7DCEEC.12330619052005@naig.caltech.edu>I  + In article <3euvjiF55ovpU1@individual.net>,a*  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  > > my VAX Cluster and some PDP-11's running RSTS and RSX.  I am ...D7 > users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV?t  E Not sure anything beyond Phase IV was available for RSTS or RSX.  In  E fact, RSTS might have been stuck at Phase III (hazy memory).  In any cF event, the RSTS machine will likely be an end-node (non-routing) only.   John   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2005 19:56:57 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up+ Message-ID: <3f49c8F5vgf7U1@individual.net>t  ; In article <dundas-7DCEEC.12330619052005@naig.caltech.edu>,t) 	John Dundas <dundas@caltech.edu> writes:f- > In article <3euvjiF55ovpU1@individual.net>,=, >  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > ? >> my VAX Cluster and some PDP-11's running RSTS and RSX.  I am  > ... 8 >> users.  Can I use DECnet-Plus or must I use Phase IV? > G > Not sure anything beyond Phase IV was available for RSTS or RSX.  In iG > fact, RSTS might have been stuck at Phase III (hazy memory).  In any hH > event, the RSTS machine will likely be an end-node (non-routing) only.  @ I just want them to mostly be able to log in accross the network> and as a plus share disks.  I know there isn't DECnet-Plus for9 the PDP-11.  I was just concerned about interoperability.r   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:22:37 +0800t From: prep@prep.synonet.comI" Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up- Message-ID: <87d5rntcc2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  D > As usual, all this is a big help.  I hope to share disk space fromD > the StorageWorks Cabinet on the VAX with the PDP's but I also needE > the ability to SET HOST at least until I come up with an IP package D > for RSX and RSTS (I know there are IP packages, 2 I think, for RSXC > but none for RSTS.  I am hoping to entice some student to take onn6 > writing an IP package for RSTS as a senior project.)  F Look on the SIG tapes for Brian's network virtual disk package for RSXE and the VAX equivalent. Great for putting a couple of GB of disk in aeF 11/73 from all those RA81s that had nothing to do... ;) Can't remember> if there was a RSTS package, and it used an undocumented call.   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2005 20:37:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Now that my VAX is up+ Message-ID: <3f4bo8F5vht8U1@individual.net>   - In article <87d5rntcc2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:, > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > E >> As usual, all this is a big help.  I hope to share disk space from E >> the StorageWorks Cabinet on the VAX with the PDP's but I also needdF >> the ability to SET HOST at least until I come up with an IP packageE >> for RSX and RSTS (I know there are IP packages, 2 I think, for RSXsD >> but none for RSTS.  I am hoping to entice some student to take on7 >> writing an IP package for RSTS as a senior project.)s > H > Look on the SIG tapes for Brian's network virtual disk package for RSXG > and the VAX equivalent. Great for putting a couple of GB of disk in a H > 11/73 from all those RA81s that had nothing to do... ;) Can't remember@ > if there was a RSTS package, and it used an undocumented call. >   F Thanks, I'll have a look around.  I think I have copies of all the PDP# SIG Tapes.  Not sure about the VAX.R   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:11:23 -0400v( From: "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net>) Subject: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSc0 Message-ID: <r_edncWUpbqRkhDfRVn-qg@comcast.com>  G We are building a "stretch cluster" across two sites that are 11 miles  E apart, and have been begging Oracle and HP to get PeopleSoft backend eG database serving certified for OpenVMS so we can take advantage of the nJ business continuity / disaster recovery capabilities inherent in it.  The G major response that we are getting is that there isn't enough interest IL within the user community to justify the certification expense.  My opinion M is that the interest is there, but the firmness of Oracle's and HP's refusal rE to act has stifled much of its expression.  It was suggested that an aJ informal survey of interest might be in order, so I'm asking you for your 	 opinions.    Thanks,E   Wayne    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:31:40 -0400'( From: "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net>- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSs0 Message-ID: <osWdnXCMptueoxDfRVn-sQ@comcast.com>   Dave Froble wrote:9 > Your response to this should be that you're a customer,* Been thru all that...*     Dave Froble wrote:I > Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it and 	 > use it.lL Ha!  Try telling that to the auditors!  I picture myself when something goesC wrong and Oracle (PeopleSoft) tells us that we're on an unsupportedt7 platform, and by the way, we're on our own.  No thanks.r        9 So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?"i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:39:58 -0400d# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSi, Message-ID: <4OidnRtg3ttgohDfRVn-rg@igs.net>   Wayne wrote: > Dave Froble wrote:: >> Your response to this should be that you're a customer, > Been thru all that...s >  >u > Dave Froble wrote:F >> Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it >> and use it.? > Ha!  Try telling that to the auditors!  I picture myself whenaE > something goes wrong and Oracle (PeopleSoft) tells us that we're on*H > an unsupported platform, and by the way, we're on our own.  No thanks. >[ >o >n >y; > So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?"d    E Suggest that you contact Ann McQuaid,  General Manager of the OpenVMSi) Systems Division, and Marcello, and Hurd.5  K If you don't get the response and action you need, call Scott McNeally withrH a purchase order which includes rolling out your VMS gear on a trade-in.     --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:18:35 -0400I' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>w- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS20 Message-ID: <118qelvdj9a9337@corp.supernews.com>   Wayne wrote:I > We are building a "stretch cluster" across two sites that are 11 miles uG > apart, and have been begging Oracle and HP to get PeopleSoft backend hI > database serving certified for OpenVMS so we can take advantage of the rL > business continuity / disaster recovery capabilities inherent in it.  The I > major response that we are getting is that there isn't enough interest  A > within the user community to justify the certification expense.b  G Your response to this should be that you're a customer, and if they're FE not interested enough in you, then you're going to be someone else's aI customer.  The problem is that they expect you to fall in line with what t= thay want you to do.  Resist now, of forever be their puppet.c  
 > My opinion oO > is that the interest is there, but the firmness of Oracle's and HP's refusal cG > to act has stifled much of its expression.  It was suggested that an <L > informal survey of interest might be in order, so I'm asking you for your  > opinions.P  H Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it and  use it.<   /personal opinione  E At the prices Oracle charges, they should be real helpful.  I really DH fail to see how their prices are justified.  Only thing I can think of, H nobody ever does anything themselves anymore, just pays hugh amounts of = money to a few vendors to be 'allowed' to use their products.u   /end opinion   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road> Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:59:33 -0400 ( From: "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net>- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS:0 Message-ID: <xdCdnagFJvAU2RDfRVn-gg@comcast.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:4OidnRtg3ttgohDfRVn-rg@igs.net... ><snip>< > >o= > > So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?"t >t >dG > Suggest that you contact Ann McQuaid,  General Manager of the OpenVMSe+ > Systems Division, and Marcello, and Hurd.l >tH > If you don't get the response and action you need, call Scott McNeally withJ > a purchase order which includes rolling out your VMS gear on a trade-in. >=K No one from Oracle?  They're the ones refusing to support their own productaL on what their statement of direction calls a "top" platform. Understood thatK they're not supporting it as a result of HP's long history of non-promotion L of OpenVMS, but still, for immediate action, shouldn't they be the ones more heavily petitioned?o   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2005 16:44:57 GMT* From: eh97@despammed.com (Volker Englisch)3 Subject: Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMSs* Message-ID: <d6ifq9$c26$1@rrz.allgaeu.org>   Hi,i  I > Getting back to your original queries both here and in COV, what is thes > actual problem?b > F > 1) Your Screen-Section strategy is a perfectly acceptable way to go.% > What do you think is wrong with it?&  E Well, some guy told here that the screen is built up very slow when atE COBOL program is run on a VT220 terminal. For I have the same problemoD here, I just asked if there was a better way to code screen layouts.  7 > 2) Was it you that was questioning the refresh time? u   No, it wasn't me.e  = > Was it also you with the VT220 CRT? Have you tried with anye? > reasonable VT terminal emulator and telnet? Is it still slow?   C I tried with PUTTY over Ethernet, there is no visible delay. I alsoBF connected the VT220 directly to a unix machine and did a telnet to the7 VMS box. Still slow like connected directly to the VMS.   F Maybe I had to mention here that tools like FLIST on VMS display their3 screen with no delay, even at the serial VT220 CRT.y  A > 4) Are you limited to a dumb terminal/character-cell interface?n  
 Yes, I am.  C > If not, then why don't you front end your application with VB (orr6 > whatever) and have VMS and COBOL serve the back-end?  7 Scream :-) I don't love graphical interfaces really :-)/  B > Then we can have another lengthy discussion about middleware :-)   :-)     > d) FMS Forms Management System > E > This is the BEST character-cell forms product EVER invented! (TherevC > is also an FMS to Motif converter available) There is a fantasticmB > full-function Panel-Editor and your forms are stored in separateB > files (or a library) and can be compiled and linked in with your9 > COBOL object code for performance. See docs on the web.l  9 Is there any tutorial on the web? I didn't find one yet. e  G However, thanks a lot for your patience and your detailled explanation.O   V.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:30:04 -0400m' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>o3 Subject: Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMSm0 Message-ID: <118qfbdnivlth6e@corp.supernews.com>   Volker Englisch wrote: > Hi,r >  > I >>Getting back to your original queries both here and in COV, what is thes >>actual problem?a >>F >>1) Your Screen-Section strategy is a perfectly acceptable way to go.% >>What do you think is wrong with it?u >  > G > Well, some guy told here that the screen is built up very slow when asG > COBOL program is run on a VT220 terminal. For I have the same problem F > here, I just asked if there was a better way to code screen layouts.  + First you have to know what the problem is.=  9 I've mentioned it before, maybe it was too simple to try.>  F Set the terminal's serial line speed to 'real slow', 110 or 300 baud, E and then watch the screen display.  You'll be able to see everything gH that happens.  Perhaps some unnecessary and bandwidth clogging stuff is  there.  C When using a PC or whatever with a terminal emulator, you're using  @ ethernet, much higher speed, and that can mask plenty of things.   Dave   -- u4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadi Vanderbilt, PA  15486i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:08:15 -0400s$ From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail> Subject: Re: Valid IP Addresso, Message-ID: <428c1ebd$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ; "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in message -1 news:8660a3a1050519085056cbf276@mail.gmail.com...h/ On 5/19/05, Hein <hein.nomail@hp.nomail> wrote:g* > <contracer11@gmail.com> wrote in message : M > > I'm looking for a command procedure to verify if a specific Ip addres is *
 > > valid. :< > $i = 0 > $loop: > $x = f$elem(i,".",p1)t > $i = i + 1" > $write sys$output "X=",x," I=",i+ > $if x.eqs."." .and. i.eq.5 then goto goodeK > $if (f$type(x).eqs. "INTEGER" .and. x.gt.0 .and. x.lt.256) then goto loopc  K > I don't mean to be picky, but some of the secondary octets of a valid IP t > address can be equal to zero.e  G Right. I use that in my lab. I just followed the example a bit much :-)e8 Still, I thought it was I nice tight loop to check this.  C For this task DCL looked better than the perl I could come up with.d   Using shift in one line:F perl -e "foreach(split /\./,shift @ARGV){$i++; $b++ if (($_ > 255) || 8 (!/\d+/))} print ""bad"" if ($b || ($i != 4))" 1.2.123.4    + --- As a perl script using shift ----------d  foreach(split /\./,shift @ARGV){   $i++;f   $b++ if (!/\d+/ || $_ > 255)   }2"  print "bad" if ($b || ($i != 4));  + --- As a perl script using an array -------s $_=shift @ARGV;G @x=split /\./; while(defined($_=@x[$i++])) {s   $b++ if (!/\d+/ || $_ > 255)   }*  print "bad" if ($b || ($i !=5));   Hein.*   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:34:39 -0400_- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>- Subject: Re: Valid IP Addresse, Message-ID: <428CEA4F.DE3E9CE1@teksavvy.com>   Mr Briggs may have said:  H >Note that 192.168.356 is a valid IP address equivalent to 192.168.1.100   >as is 192.11010404w >as is 3232235876%  < >This last syntax is going to be difficult to handle in DCL.    @ Actually, 192.168.356 isn't a valid IP address in dotted decimal@ notation. Dotted decimal requires 4 token, each representing one byte/octet of the IP address.a  E In the case of the big integer, this is interesting sicne many of thesE security alarms on VMS aren't smart enough and actually display an IPtG address as a 4 byte integer and you do get such values in the logs. OnenH must assign it to a DCL symbol, do a show symbol , extracts each byte in6 the hexadecimal form and convert each byte to decimal.  G Perhaps DCL should have some tool to more easily deal with IP adresses.v   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2005 15:43:28 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Valid IP Address,3 Message-ID: <OvzoweEISw+S@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  \ In article <428CEA4F.DE3E9CE1@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Mr Briggs may have said: > I >>Note that 192.168.356 is a valid IP address equivalent to 192.168.1.100  >  >>as is 192.11010404 >>as is 3232235876 > = >>This last syntax is going to be difficult to handle in DCL.p >  > B > Actually, 192.168.356 isn't a valid IP address in dotted decimalB > notation. Dotted decimal requires 4 token, each representing one > byte/octet of the IP address.   + Yes, it is.  Verified on both VMS and Unix.t  B The last decimal string in the dotted notation is interpreted as aC (big-endian) binary integer and used to fill in the trailing octetse in the IP address.  D If you have a three element string, the last number fills in the lowE order 16 bits.  If you have a two element string, it fills in the low F order 24 bits.  If you have a one element string...  Well I trust that you can see the pattern.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2005 01:06:31 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Valid IP Addressa+ Message-ID: <3f4rgnF620lqU1@individual.net>e  0 In article <118qd79t7tcdv6a@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:H >> Congratulations.  You just did the kids homework and just in time forG >> the end of the semester too.  Now he can join all his business majora& >> buddies down at the local pub.  :-) > H > When I saw the question, that was my first thought, homework.  Didn't 1 > want to declare it so, cause it's just a guess.  > . > However, how many students get DCL homework? > & > Not all users code in DCL every day. > J > If it is homework, and the guy doesn't change some of the symbol names, ; > he better hope the instructor doesn't lurk on c.o.v.  :-). > I > An old friend once said to me, well, it doesn't matter if I don't know w> > the answer, as long as I know where to go to get the answer.  : That's OK if you can go to that place where the answer is.   >  > How do you grade that one?  E That only works on open book tests.  I only know one professor in thea whole department who does that.   s bill   -- >J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:53:45 -0400r' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>5 Subject: Re: Valid IP Addressh0 Message-ID: <118qd79t7tcdv6a@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > Congratulations.  You just did the kids homework and just in time forrF > the end of the semester too.  Now he can join all his business major% > buddies down at the local pub.  :-)   F When I saw the question, that was my first thought, homework.  Didn't / want to declare it so, cause it's just a guess.r  , However, how many students get DCL homework?  $ Not all users code in DCL every day.  H If it is homework, and the guy doesn't change some of the symbol names, 9 he better hope the instructor doesn't lurk on c.o.v.  :-)a  G An old friend once said to me, well, it doesn't matter if I don't know s< the answer, as long as I know where to go to get the answer.   How do you grade that one?   -- y4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:48:20 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>g Subject: Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20i7 Message-ID: <pN7je.2231$J25.141@bignews6.bellsouth.net>u  K I have a couple of CS20's incoming - apparently it is basically the same asu$ the DS20L just different front bezel3 Will see if we can load VMS on it and let yll knowv   DT   -- o   David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404p Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Skype ID: islandco Fax: 912 201 0402c Email: dbturner@icusc.comh Web: http://www.islandco.com% =====================================h< All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.htmla  + <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in messagee= news:1116413831.369422.270900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...p >o > Nigel Barker wrote: = > > On 17 May 2005 15:35:51 -0700, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" % > > <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:  > >oH > > >Thanks but that's a bit out of my league.  I was just interested inB > > >them from a hobbyist's point of view.  The reason I asked was	 > becausenG > > >for the last month someone has been selling them on Ebay for aboutn > $1KeE > > >each - quite a bargain for a dual 833Mhz EV6 (EV67?) with 1GB of- > memoryI > > >and 36GB SCSI disk.  Also there were 3 with 2GB of memory which wentmB > > >for just over $1K as a group.  Far cheaper than the usual for
 > anything, > > >with a CPU newer than a EV56.  Oh well. > >tE > > If you are interested in a cheap Hobbyist system Island Computers  > have) > > bare-bones 466MHz EV6 DS10L for $250.r$ > http://www.islandco.com/ds10l.html > >f > > -- > > Nigel Barker# > > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurn >eD > Yes. I've been keeping my eye on them as replacements for my AS800
 > cluster. >BB > In hindsight, I think I should have made a grab for that trio ofI > machines.  Even if I didn't get the integration for VMS done they wouldrF > have made a heck of a Tru-64 cluster with Oracle 10g so I could play > with an Oracle grid. >P   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:33:16 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS for DS20l/SC20p0 Message-ID: <118qfh8nntu2m57@corp.supernews.com>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:yM > I have a couple of CS20's incoming - apparently it is basically the same asr& > the DS20L just different front bezel5 > Will see if we can load VMS on it and let yll knowY   :-)  :-)   Want to lose another bet?:   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:33:39 -0700m) From: Tom Stern <tomst13959@forteinc.com>n< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?8 Message-ID: <2k2q81dga1pcvj788u0hgaqa9pnbdc9bnk@4ax.com>  6 Silly thought: check the NETSERVER.LOG version number?  B On 17 May 2005 08:48:10 -0700, "Bill Law" <blaw@cincom.com> wrote:   >Greetings,t >oF >We're having a problem with DECnet rejecting access to a known objectF >from one account but working from another.  Yet there are no apparentF >access controls and no error messages.  This is quite frustrating and" >we're hoping one of you can help. >-F >We run a program which declares itself as a DECnet known object using! >the following sequence of calls:< >    sys$crembx()l >    sys$assign(): >    sys$qiow(IO$_ACPCONTROL)e >    sys$qio(IO$_READVBLK) >    sys$qiow(IO$_ACCESS)cH >Then from another process a connection is attempted with a program with
 >these calls:T >    lib$asn_wth_mbx() >    sys$qiow(IO$_ACCESS). >    sys$qiow(IO$_READVBLK)d >cF >When user A runs the first program it declares a known network objectG >as it should, and then running the second program successfully makes al >connection. >fD >When user B runs the first program it also declares a known networkE >object as it should, but then running the second program fails with:e9 >    %SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejectediD >while the first program never even receives the connection request.C >Apparently VMS or DECnet or something is rejecting the connection.  >Why?, > C >User A and user B have the same account privileges and rights.  NolD >account nor password are defined for the known network object.  TheD >default DECnet account is not enabled.  Proxy access is defined as:	 >    *::*s >        * (D) > C >There are no error messages, no operator messages, and no security G >alarms.  What could be causing this?  Is the object somehow 'owned' byoH >user A denying access to user B, even though the image has been rundown# >by user A and restarted by user B?- >a' >Any help would be greatly appreciated.o >r >Cheers, Bill  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:35:35 -0400o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>/E Subject: [OT]:Software patents gone awry - this one granted yesterday3, Message-ID: <55KdnWi5doBpoxDfRVn-gQ@igs.net>     United States Patent  6,895,426(       Cortright ,   et al.  May 17, 2005  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----' Addresses as objects for email messages      AbstractH The present invention is directed at a system and process for allowing aJ user to treat email addresses as objects. This allows easy manipulation ofI the email addresses, such as allowing them to be added to a contact list,eI copied to the computer's clipboard, or double-clicked to open the relatedrF contact information for that email address sender. Email addresses areJ treated as objects in the message preview pane and full message windows ofL both incoming and outgoing email messages. A small icon is added to the textL of each address. In a preferred embodiment, the icons will vary depending onC the pedigree of the address. The invention is not limited to singlesL addresses. Rather, an entry denoting a mailing list could also be treated asK an object and a unique icon could be employed to indicate the nature of theoD entry. For outgoing messages, the pedigree of the address or list isJ determined by monitoring where the user obtained the address. For incomingJ messages, the message header is parsed and searched to find addresses thatH match the receiving user's address book. If no match is found, a genericF address icon is added before the text of the address, while the systemK checks the email header against other address sources such as server lists.0K Once the address is marked with an appropriate icon the user can manipulate J the address in various ways allowing the user to readily edit or add emailH addresses to their contact list. Additionally, the invention may include9 contextual menus to assist the user in this manipulation.     L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----J       Inventors:  Cortright; David S. (Mountain View, CA); Crevier; DanielJ W. (San Jose, CA); O'Connor; James J. (Santa Cruz, CA); Fullerton; Michael W. (San Jose, CA)o4       Assignee:  Microsoft Corporation (Redmond, WA)       Appl. No.:  690426       Filed:  October 17, 2000     --L OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.279 ************************