1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 280       Contents:3 Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)  AUTOGEN and page and swap files # Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files # Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files # Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files # Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files # Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ) Re: backup save set transport and restore & Cluster question - which interconnect?* Re: Cluster question - which interconnect?* Re: Cluster question - which interconnect?! Re: Dec RDB V6.1-14 under VMS 6.2 " Re: Edit a file from within a .COM Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation Re: FMS Runtime Installation, Re: Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp?, Re: Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp?, How to filter spam based on message content?1 Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising 1 Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising ! Re: message ident length question $ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem6 Re Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation): Re: Re Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS* Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMS* Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMS Where is the tftp directory?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:34:41 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> < Subject: Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)? Message-ID: <d6k0dv$57q$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>   
 Disbelief!  L So exactly how much testing was done with this? Well it's only FMS after all :-(    Regards Richard Maher   ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OF31A0C88F.603418B8-ON85257006.00730507-85257006.0072C88A@metso.com...  >  >  >  >  > [New text] >  > Known problem  ;)  > G > They promise a kit or patch to fix this is in the works, no date yet.  > / > Here is the official temporary fix procedure:  >  > Quote> > < > The image FDVSHR_TV.EXE is normally only used by code thatB > was vested (DECmigrate VEST utility) to OpenVMS Alpha, i.e., you$ > did not recompile/relink on Alpha. > E > If you want you could modify the KITINSTAL.COM file in this kit and ! > remove/comment these two lines:  > H >   $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE DECFDV$ FDVSHR_TV.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]H >   $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_FILE     DECFDV$ FDVSHR.IIF VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB] >  > To modify the kit: >  >   $ CREATE/DIR [.TMP] $ >   $ BACKUP DECFDV025.A/SAVE [.TMP]I >   $ EDIT [.TMP]KITINSTAL.COM       ! comment/remove the two lines above  >   $ PURGE/KEEP=1 [.TMP] ' >   $ BACKUP [.TMP]*.* DECFDV025.A/SAVE  > # > Then you can install again using:  > / >   $ @sys$update:vmsinstal decfdv025 dev:[dir]  > B > Once installed (kit and license), you can test your application.B > If it required the FDVSHR_TV image, you would immediately get an5 > error if you did not already have an older version.  > 
 > <Unquote > > > I would remove the entire if-statement quoted in my message, > below. > = > Also, if you want the two files for completeness or in case : > your application does in fact need them, they are in the	 > saveset  >  > [DECFMS025.KIT]HPFMS025.B;1  > 2 > on the CD and can be extracted into sys$share by > 3 > $backup/log ddcu:[DECFMS025.KIT}HPFMS025.a/save - ; > /sel=(FDVSHR_TV.EXE;,FDVSHR.IIF) sys$common:[syslib]*.*;-  > /owner=parent  > , > I'd check the protection afterwards, also. > : > ======================================================== >  > [End new text] > , > It's telling you the truth, unfortunately. > ; > _TV is an emulation for Alpha of VAX.  This is a cut from   > the installation KITINSTAL.COM >  > $ ! B > $ !  Put V2 FDVSHR in the System Library and install in IMAGELIB > $ ! C > $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE FMSFDV$ FDVSHR.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]  > 'IMAGELIB' > $ ! Added by Sandeep  > $ ARCH = F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME") > $ IF ARCH .NES. "IA64" > $ THENF > $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_IMAGE DECFMS$ FDVSHR_TV.EXE VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]F > $ VMI$CALLBACK PROVIDE_FILE  DECFMS$ FDVSHR.IIF    VMI$ROOT:[SYSLIB]	 > $ ENDIF  > $  > A > Notice that if not an IA64 it wants the image reported missing.  > $ > Here is the listing of the saveset > 6 > $backup/list FMSFDV025.A;/save/sel=kitinstal.com *.* > Listing of save set(s) >   > Save set:          FMSFDV025.A > Written by:        FMS$ > UIC:               [000270,000266], > Date:               7-JAN-2005 19:02:24.43H > Command:           BACKUP/LOG/COMMENT=FMS Customized FMSFDV VMSINSTALL
 > Kitbuild) > Procedure/INTER/LOG/VERIFY FDV$KITBLD:* * > FMS$:[000000.BL25B.X2.FDVKIT]FMSFDV025.A > /LABEL=(FMSFDV)/SAVE/ > Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.2   > BACKUP version:    AXP721R0018 > CPU ID register:   80000000  > Node name:         _AERO:: > Written on:        _DSA600:  > Block size:        32256 > Group size:        10  > Buffer count:      56  > I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVMSG.EXE;1                   19  17-DEC-2004 
 > 11:42:33I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVPLITRM.OBJ;1                10  17-DEC-2004 
 > 11:37:51I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVSHR.EXE;1                  762  17-DEC-2004 
 > 11:42:40I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FDVSTRTUP.COM;1                 3  11-APR-1984 
 > 09:04:34I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]FMSFDV$IVP.COM;1                5  14-APR-2004 
 > 09:51:30I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]IVP.EXE;1                      64  17-DEC-2004 
 > 11:56:07I > [BL25B.X2.KIT.COM.FDVKIT]KITINSTAL.COM;1                21  17-DEC-2004 
 > 11:56:23 >  > Total of 7 files, 884 blocks > End of save set  >  > $ > .and there really is no such file. > & > We need to call support on this one. > = > njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 02:42:30 PM:  > ) > > Here it is with the L Option enabled:  > > * > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I > > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit] options L  > >  > > F > >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 > >  > >  > > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 14:43.  > > 3 > > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  > > B > > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: > >        TCPIP$FTP_1 > >        TCPIP$NTP_1. > > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? YesB > > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? > >  > > - > > The following products will be processed:  > >  > >   FMSFDV V2.5  > >  > > : > >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 14:43 > > @ > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025] createdE > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDR.LOG;1  > > created E > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_NEW.LOG;1  > > created E > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_DEL.LOG;1  > > created F > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_HDEL.LOG;1 > > created E > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_MOD.LOG;1  > > created E > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_ACC.LOG;1  > > created E > > %CREATE-I-CREATED, GS80$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.FMSFDV025]VMI_REN.LOG;1  > > created : > > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... > >  > >   > >         Product:      FMS-RT > >         Producer:     HP > >         Version:      2.5 % > >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004  > >  > > H > > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and loaded? > > yes > > > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?E > > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]? @ > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.E > > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  > > B > >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORYI > > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSUPD]VMIMARKER00000447.DAT;1 deleted  > > (3 blocks) > >  > > - > >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 14:44 A > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  > > ! > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: % > > > You might want to add OPTIONS L  > > > J > > > ] $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]OPTIONS > > L  > > > I > > > to your command to see a lot more of the DCL.  If you then post the  > > log  > > > section of interest, aE > > > better answer may be possible. (It will still fail, of course.)  > > > A > > > njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/19/2005 01:25:18 PM:  > > > K > > > > I am attempting to install FMS Runtime on a freshly installed 7.3-2 H > > > > Alpha system.  I keep getting a %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE error during > > the J > > > > install.  It is driving me quite crazy and I am hoping there is anI > > > > obvious fix.  Below is the complete log of the install.  Any help  > > isG > > > > appreciated.  I followed the install instructions completely at  > > least 3 J > > > > times and searched the internet but couldn't come up with anything > > > > useful.  > > > > 8 > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~C > > > > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL FMSFDV025 GS80$DQA0:[DECFDV025.kit]  > > > >  > > > > J > > > >         OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.3-2 > > > >  > > > > # > > > > It is 19-MAY-2005 at 13:25.  > > > > 7 > > > > Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.  > > > > F > > > > %VMSINSTAL-W-ACTIVE, The following processes are still active: > > > >        TCPIP$FTP_1 > > > >        TCPIP$NTP_12 > > > > * Do you want to continue anyway [NO]? YESF > > > > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]? > > > >  > > > > 1 > > > > The following products will be processed:  > > > >  > > > >   FMSFDV V2.5  > > > >  > > > > > > > > >         Beginning installation of FMSFDV V2.5 at 13:25 > > > > > > > > > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ... > > > >  > > > > $ > > > >         Product:      FMS-RT  > > > >         Producer:     HP! > > > >         Version:      2.5 ) > > > >         Release Date: 12-MAR-2004  > > > >  > > > > D > > > > * Does this product have an authorization key registered and > > loaded?  > > > > YES B > > > > * Do you want to run the IVP after the installation [YES]?I > > > > * Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]?  > > yes D > > > > %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, New file FDVSHR_TV.EXE  does not exist.I > > > > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of FMSFDV V2.5 has failed.  > > > > F > > > >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY > > > >  > > > > 1 > > > >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 13:25 8 > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:10:52 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: AUTOGEN and page and swap files$ Message-ID: <d6l26b$plq$1@online.de>  I Note: This post is rather long, and there are several questions, even at  E the bottom, but since they are all related, I think one long post is   better than several short ones.   E I am really confused about AUTOGEN's handling of page and swap files.   F I know that AUTOGEN can be told to leave them alone completely, but I H want to understand what is going on.  Also, the information provided by B AUTOGEN's calculations can be interesting.  (Also, in my case, it H doesn't modify them anyway, at least not with my current configuration.)  D Sidebar question: Is there anyway to have AUTOGEN calculate and set D parameters but NOT change the page and swap files?  TESTFILES stops E before the parameters are set.  If I tell AUTOGEN not to bother with  C page and swap files at all, then I can't even see the results with  
 TESTFILES.  H Here's my setup: I have primary page and swap files on the system disk, H and secondary on another disk.  In MODPARAMS.DAT, I refer to the former I by {PAGE|SWAP}FILE1 and the latter by {PAGE|SWAP}FILE2.  The problem is,  @ AUTOGEN is getting confused as to which is which.  Consider the / following typical output in AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT:   4 AUTOGEN Parameter Calculation Report on node: GLADIA;   This information was generated at 19-MAY-2005 10:53:11.50 K   AUTOGEN was run from SAVPARAMS to SETPARAMS - default execution specified    Processing Parameter Data files  -------------------------------   3 Including parameters from: SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT   9 The following problems were detected within MODPARAMS.DAT 1    These problems should be reviewed immediately.   9 ** WARNING ** - Duplicate value for PAGEFILE1_NAME found. G 	This overrides preceding requirements for this parameter in PARAMS.DAT J 	Please review the parameter setting and if possible use MIN, MAX, or ADD.7 ****	Ignoring previously specified PAGEFILE1_NAME value   9 ** WARNING ** - Duplicate value for PAGEFILE2_NAME found. G 	This overrides preceding requirements for this parameter in PARAMS.DAT J 	Please review the parameter setting and if possible use MIN, MAX, or ADD.7 ****	Ignoring previously specified PAGEFILE2_NAME value   9 ** WARNING ** - Duplicate value for SWAPFILE2_NAME found. G 	This overrides preceding requirements for this parameter in PARAMS.DAT J 	Please review the parameter setting and if possible use MIN, MAX, or ADD.7 ****	Ignoring previously specified SWAPFILE2_NAME value   -  Calculations for page, swap, and dump files. -  --------------------------------------------        Page file calculations:   Q         PAGEFILE1_SIZE information (for DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS;1):  	Feedback information.- 	   Old value was 400000, New value is 200000 * 	   Maximum observed usage (blocks): 37120B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.= 	   The calculated value was 55700.  The new value is 200000. 9 	   PAGEFILE1_SIZE is not allowed to be less than 200000. 9 	   PAGEFILE1_SIZE will be modified to hold 200000 blocks   A         PAGEFILE2_SIZE information (for SYS$SYSTEM:PAGEFILE.SYS):  	Feedback information.- 	   Old value was 200700, New value is 400000 * 	   Maximum observed usage (blocks): 36864B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.= 	   The calculated value was 55300.  The new value is 400000. B 	   PAGEFILE2_SIZE has been set to the hard-coded value of 400000.9 	   PAGEFILE2_SIZE will be modified to hold 400000 blocks   @ 	** NOTE ** Unable to change the size of PAGEFILE1 since current< 	   disk block utilization is 95%.  However, if enough spaceK 	   were available, DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS;1, would contain  D 	   200000 blocks.  Instead, PAGEFILE1 will remain at 400000 blocks.       Swap file calculations:   A         SWAPFILE1_SIZE information (for SYS$SYSTEM:SWAPFILE.SYS):  	Feedback information.+ 	   Old value was 50000, New value is 50000 * 	   Maximum observed usage (blocks): 21504B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.< 	   The calculated value was 32300.  The new value is 50000.8 	   SWAPFILE1_SIZE is not allowed to be less than 50000.? 	   SWAPFILE1 will not be modified. The file size is within 10%   Q         SWAPFILE2_SIZE information (for DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS;1):  	Feedback information.- 	   Old value was 100000, New value is 100000 & 	   Maximum observed usage (blocks): 0B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.< 	   The calculated value was 6400.  The new value is 100000.B 	   SWAPFILE2_SIZE has been set to the hard-coded value of 100000.? 	   SWAPFILE2 will not be modified. The file size is within 10%   I Note that it gives 2 warnings about page files, corresponding to the two  I wrong file names further down.  It gives 1 warning about swap files, but    actually both names are correct.  D It says there is a conflict with PARAMS.DAT.  However, no number of E repeats of AUTOGEN will solve the problem.  It seems the only way to  E solve the problem is to edit PARAMS.DAT by hand, although ONE IS NOT  ! SUPPOSED TO EVER NEED TO DO THIS.   I Presumably, even if I screw up I can just restore the current version of  H PARAMS.DAT, in which case I won't be any worse off than I am now, right?  H I think the problem was probably caused by me using the wrong values in G MODPARAMS.DAT at some stage.  However, I would have hoped that AUTOGEN  : could correct this.  Do I have to edit PARAMS.DAT by hand?  < MAIL>  spa sea disk$alphasys_3:[sys0.sysexe]params.dat _name* SWAPFILE1_NAME = "SYS$SYSTEM:SWAPFILE.SYS": SWAPFILE2_NAME = "DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS;1": PAGEFILE1_NAME = "DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS;1"* PAGEFILE2_NAME = "SYS$SYSTEM:PAGEFILE.SYS"> PAGEFILE1_NAME="SYS$SYSTEM:PAGEFILE.SYS" ! WHY DO I NEED THIS?6 PAGEFILE2_NAME="DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS"F SWAPFILE1_NAME="SYS$SYSTEM:SWAPFILE.SYS" ! MAYBE NOT NEEDED; SEE ABOVE6 SWAPFILE2_NAME="DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS"  - Here's the relevant portion of MODPARAMS.DAT:   > PAGEFILE1_NAME="SYS$SYSTEM:PAGEFILE.SYS" ! why do I need this? MIN_PAGEFILE1_SIZE=200000 6 PAGEFILE2_NAME="DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS" PAGEFILE2_SIZE=400000 F SWAPFILE1_NAME="SYS$SYSTEM:SWAPFILE.SYS" ! maybe not needed; see above MIN_SWAPFILE1_SIZE=500006 SWAPFILE2_NAME="DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS" SWAPFILE2_SIZE=100000   H During an upgrade, I booted the node without the disk for the secondary E files.  After that, the AUTOGEN reports looked OK, but the old error  I returned after I booted it with the secondary files.  Here's what one of  H these good reports looks like.  I don't understand why it gets confused 5 with the names if the secondary files are accessible.   4 AUTOGEN Parameter Calculation Report on node: GLADIA;   This information was generated at 19-MAY-2005 02:37:44.22 <   AUTOGEN was run from SAVPARAMS to SETPARAMS using FEEDBACK  -  Calculations for page, swap, and dump files. -  --------------------------------------------        Page file calculations:   A         PAGEFILE1_SIZE information (for SYS$SYSTEM:PAGEFILE.SYS):  	Feedback information.- 	   Old value was 200700, New value is 200700 & 	   Maximum observed usage (blocks): 0? 	   PAGEFILE1 will not be modified. The file size is within 10%   O         PAGEFILE2_SIZE information (for DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS):  	Feedback information.( 	   Old value was 0, New value is 400000$ 	   No usage recorded for this file.B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.> 	   The calculated value was 200700.  The new value is 400000.B 	   PAGEFILE2_SIZE has been set to the hard-coded value of 400000.  O         PAGEFILE2_SIZE information (for DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS): G 	  PAGEFILE2 will not be modified: access problems on DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:. ? 	    (Please check file DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS.)        Swap file calculations:   A         SWAPFILE1_SIZE information (for SYS$SYSTEM:SWAPFILE.SYS):  	Feedback information.+ 	   Old value was 50000, New value is 50000 & 	   Maximum observed usage (blocks): 0B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.; 	   The calculated value was 6400.  The new value is 50000. 8 	   SWAPFILE1_SIZE is not allowed to be less than 50000.? 	   SWAPFILE1 will not be modified. The file size is within 10%   O         SWAPFILE2_SIZE information (for DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS):  	Feedback information.( 	   Old value was 0, New value is 100000$ 	   No usage recorded for this file.B 	Override Information - parameter calculation has been overridden.< 	   The calculated value was 6400.  The new value is 100000.B 	   SWAPFILE2_SIZE has been set to the hard-coded value of 100000.  O         SWAPFILE2_SIZE information (for DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS): G 	  SWAPFILE2 will not be modified: access problems on DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:. ? 	    (Please check file DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS.)   F Another question: Can I somehow tell the system to preferentially use D the secondary page and swap files, and only use the primary ones if F needed?  The idea behind this is that the primary page and swap files F are on a faster disk (a solid-state--disk shadow set) and I also have E room for much larger files there.  I would want to keep those on the  I system disk primarily for use when the secondary files are not available  - (and IIRC they are required to exist anyway).   F (At the moment, this node is a DEC 3000/300 LX with 48 MB RAM.  It hadB been running 7.3-1 for about 18 months, but a couple of days ago IG upgraded it to 7.3-2.  7.3-2 officially requires 64 MB (though it's not G 100% clear to me that this is required for running 7.3-2, as opposed to G installing it; I actually did the upgrade on a DEC 3000/600 with 192 MB A RAM which otherwise has the same hardware configuration (ethernet D controller etc) so one can just swap the disks with no configurationF changes (though I immediately run AUTOGEN so that it realises how muchC memory it really has)).  Performance seems fine, but the startup is C slower than before.  I realise that 48 MB is starving (perhaps even E 7.3-1 officially required more; the 300 LX appeared when VMS 6.x was  A current (it is a first-generation ALPHA), so presumably then the  F supported minimum was not more than 48 MB), but the solid-state disks E for the swap/page shadow set probably helps things.  (I realise that  A more memory would be easier, even in this slow machine, but as a  I hobbyist I have to make do with what I have; I put enough money into the  D electricity bill so I only buy hardware when absolutely necessary.))   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:51:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files, Message-ID: <428E1596.EB6F2A60@teksavvy.com>   re: PAGE/SWAP file problems:   PAGEFILE = 0 SWAPFILE = 0 DUMPFILE = 0  F in your modparams.dat tells autogen not to mess with your files or try to change them.   H In terms of setting priority, you can crate very small page/swap on yourH system disk and a large one elsewhere. When your system boots, the earlyH processes will map to the small file on the system drive, but subsequent7 processes are far more likely to map to the bigger one.   E Not sure of the exact algorithm used by VMS to decide which page/swap  files a porcess is mapped to.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files$ Message-ID: <d6l4on$s7q$1@online.de>  5 In article <428E1596.EB6F2A60@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:     > re: PAGE/SWAP file problems: >  > PAGEFILE = 0 > SWAPFILE = 0 > DUMPFILE = 0  G At present, AUTOGEN doesn't change them anyway.  I might be interested  I in the output, if only from TESTFILES.  (Again, it would be nice to have  > this and also SETPARAMS without having to edit MODPARAMS.DAT.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:30:58 -0400 * From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>, Subject: Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files+ Message-ID: <3f6l52F5kc4bU1@individual.net>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:428E1596.EB6F2A60@teksavvy.com... > re: PAGE/SWAP file problems: >  > PAGEFILE = 0 > SWAPFILE = 0 > DUMPFILE = 0 > H > in your modparams.dat tells autogen not to mess with your files or try > to change them.  > J > In terms of setting priority, you can crate very small page/swap on yourJ > system disk and a large one elsewhere. When your system boots, the earlyJ > processes will map to the small file on the system drive, but subsequent9 > processes are far more likely to map to the bigger one.  > G > Not sure of the exact algorithm used by VMS to decide which page/swap  > files a porcess is mapped to.   L You don't even need the small files. VMS will warn that they were not found H but continue booting. Then in SYPAGSWPFILES.COM you install your larger L page/swap files that should reside on a different disk than the system disk.   Marty    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:28:40 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files0 Message-ID: <118s7gqo1jj3g4e@corp.supernews.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: K > Note: This post is rather long, and there are several questions, even at  G > the bottom, but since they are all related, I think one long post is  ! > better than several short ones.  > G > I am really confused about AUTOGEN's handling of page and swap files.   
 <big snip>  H Ok, one person's opinion, and it's real possible other posters will say + I'm full if s**t.  (Won't be anything new.)   A AUTOGEN is a tool to help out in setting parameters in a trivial  B environment, ie; a single system with nothing non-standard set up.  F As soon as you get into alternate swap and page files, that says that F you think that you know enough to go beyond a standard set-up.  To do E so, and then expect AUTOGEN to understand is perhaps asking too much.   F If you're going to customize the page and swap files, then set up the H commands in MODPARAMS.DAT to leave the swap, page, and dump files alone.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:40:56 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files$ Message-ID: <d6l7f8$1a5$1@online.de>  < In article <118s7gqo1jj3g4e@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: M > > Note: This post is rather long, and there are several questions, even at  I > > the bottom, but since they are all related, I think one long post is  # > > better than several short ones.  > > I > > I am really confused about AUTOGEN's handling of page and swap files.  >  > <big snip> > J > Ok, one person's opinion, and it's real possible other posters will say - > I'm full if s**t.  (Won't be anything new.)  > C > AUTOGEN is a tool to help out in setting parameters in a trivial  D > environment, ie; a single system with nothing non-standard set up. > H > As soon as you get into alternate swap and page files, that says that H > you think that you know enough to go beyond a standard set-up.  To do G > so, and then expect AUTOGEN to understand is perhaps asking too much.  > H > If you're going to customize the page and swap files, then set up the J > commands in MODPARAMS.DAT to leave the swap, page, and dump files alone.  H In some sense, the PAGEFILE1_NAME etc in AUTOGEN is just like any other I parameter in PARAMS.DAT or MODPARAMS.DAT.  These can normally be changed  F with AUTOGEN after editing MODPARAMS.DAT.  There's obviously a bug in D AUTOGEN here, in that it retains a value which is obsolete (and was H originally entered by mistake into MODPARAMS.DAT, as far as I can tell).  F Sure, I can set them up by hand and tell AUTOGEN to leave them alone, B but AUTOGEN's recommendations based on usage might be interesting.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 01:47:58 -0700! From: "Nazim" <nmanser@progis.de> 2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restoreC Message-ID: <1116578878.292289.205240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    thanks for your answer.   G but as the 2 sites are 70 km away, and we dont have a 130 GB disk drive F handy, what we need is a utility to split backup savesets so that they fit into the 2 GB range.  D which limitations have the zip 3.0 and unzip 6.0 concerning max file size to archive ?    regards,   Nazim Manser +49 172 704 11 74    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 11:27:12 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restore2 Message-ID: <428dad70$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de>  K In article <1116578878.292289.205240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Nazim"  <nmanser@progis.de> writes:  >thanks for your answer. > H >but as the 2 sites are 70 km away, and we dont have a 130 GB disk driveG >handy, what we need is a utility to split backup savesets so that they  >fit into the 2 GB range.  > E >which limitations have the zip 3.0 and unzip 6.0 concerning max file  >size to archive ? >   > There are free small programs that do that under Openvms, just; search the keyword "split" and "OpenVMS" you'll find links.    eberhard? ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ > Want to have instant messaging, and chat rooms, and discussion: groups for your local users or business, you need dbabble!? --  See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dbabble.htm  ----    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:57:30 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restoreB Message-ID: <428dfada$0$14746$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:M > In article <1116578878.292289.205240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Nazim"  > <nmanser@progis.de> writes:  >  >>thanks for your answer.  >>I >>but as the 2 sites are 70 km away, and we dont have a 130 GB disk drive H >>handy, what we need is a utility to split backup savesets so that they >>fit into the 2 GB range. >>F >>which limitations have the zip 3.0 and unzip 6.0 concerning max file >>size to archive ?  >> >  > @ > There are free small programs that do that under Openvms, just= > search the keyword "split" and "OpenVMS" you'll find links.  > 
 > eberhardA > ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ @ > Want to have instant messaging, and chat rooms, and discussion< > groups for your local users or business, you need dbabble!A > --  See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dbabble.htm  ----   + I only know of this one at Hunter's site... ; http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?SPLOIN    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 06:46:06 -0700$ From: "WildCat" <jplahman@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Cluster question - which interconnect? C Message-ID: <1116596766.191319.113150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hey VMS Gurus:  D I just built my first 2 node cluster.  It consists of two DS25 whichC are both connected to a MSA 1000 disk array via fibre channel (from : both DS25 computers).  The quorum disk is on the MSA 1000.  G I have a cat5 cable going into each DS25 using the gigabit port.  These " in turn are connected to a switch.  E For each DS25, I have the VOTES to to 1 and the EXPECTED_VOTES set to  3.  D Where my confusion arises is how do I know which interconnect is theF cluster using to get at the quorum?  Since I don't have cat5 connectedF to the MSA 1000, I'm assuming its using the fibre.  But, how do I know= this for sure?  Is there a utility I can run to show me this?   C And, how do I know the status of the interconnect between all three $ nodes (Both DS25s and the MSA 1000).  
 Jim Lahman jim.lahman@mittalsteel.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:06:11 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Re: Cluster question - which interconnect? $ Message-ID: <d6kqsj$eo5$1@online.de>  C In article <1116596766.191319.113150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, ' "WildCat" <jplahman@yahoo.com> writes:    F > I just built my first 2 node cluster.  It consists of two DS25 whichE > are both connected to a MSA 1000 disk array via fibre channel (from < > both DS25 computers).  The quorum disk is on the MSA 1000. > I > I have a cat5 cable going into each DS25 using the gigabit port.  These $ > in turn are connected to a switch. > G > For each DS25, I have the VOTES to to 1 and the EXPECTED_VOTES set to8 > 3.  I Sounds OK.  I have a preference for a third node (which could be a small nG VAXstation) rather than a quorum disk, but perhaps that's just me.  :-)    F > Where my confusion arises is how do I know which interconnect is theH > cluster using to get at the quorum?  Since I don't have cat5 connectedH > to the MSA 1000, I'm assuming its using the fibre.  But, how do I know? > this for sure?  Is there a utility I can run to show me this?-   What else could it be?  E > And, how do I know the status of the interconnect between all threer& > nodes (Both DS25s and the MSA 1000).  7 Do SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS then HELP CLASSES CIRCUITS .n   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 17:06:35 +01006 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: Cluster question - which interconnect?p* Message-ID: <428e191b@news.langstoeger.at>  j In article <1116596766.191319.113150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "WildCat" <jplahman@yahoo.com> writes:E >I just built my first 2 node cluster.  It consists of two DS25 whichoD >are both connected to a MSA 1000 disk array via fibre channel (from; >both DS25 computers).  The quorum disk is on the MSA 1000.m   Nice. I'm getting enviously...  H >I have a cat5 cable going into each DS25 using the gigabit port.  These# >in turn are connected to a switch.l  F If the DS25 have 2 integrated LAN ports (like the DS10, which OTOH has. not GbE integrated) then you have two options:  H 1) Build a redundant LAN with two switches and with LAN failover devices orJ 2) Build a single LAN and use the second LAN port for a direct nonswitchedG crossover cable link for dedicated (cluster and maybe IP, too) traffic.V  7 If the DS25 hasn't 2 LAN ports, this is moot obviously.e  F >For each DS25, I have the VOTES to to 1 and the EXPECTED_VOTES set to >3.-  E Yup, this is expected config for a 2 node cluster with a quorum disk.d  E >Where my confusion arises is how do I know which interconnect is the:G >cluster using to get at the quorum?  Since I don't have cat5 connected.G >to the MSA 1000, I'm assuming its using the fibre.  But, how do I knoww> >this for sure?  Is there a utility I can run to show me this?  J Quorum disk isn't used via the LAN because it requires a direct connectionL (in your case FibreChannel). You have to configure the DISK_QUORUM in SYSGEN8 with "$1$DGAxxxx:" (don't forget QDSKVOTES=1) obviously.  D >And, how do I know the status of the interconnect between all three% >nodes (Both DS25s and the MSA 1000).    eg. , $ CREATE SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]SHOW_CLUSTER.INI/ ADD DI,V,EX,T,CL_QU,CL_V,CL_QD,MEMS,FORMED,LAST # DEFINE/KEY      F10     "EXIT"/TERM  SET FUNCTION PAN5 $ DEFINE SHOW_CLUSTER$INIT SYS$SHARE:SHOW_CLUSTER.INIt $ SHOW CLUSTER/CONT    and   	 $ ANA/SYSe
 SDA> SHOW LANe   -- l Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERA% Network and OpenVMS system specialistV E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC)]3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>v* Subject: Re: Dec RDB V6.1-14 under VMS 6.2? Message-ID: <d6kevf$cpi$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>c   Hi,a  G What's the big deal? Surely with those outdated versions and no support J contract, this system can't be doing anything important. Can it? What doesH Nightspeed do? Do they have any customers or shareholders that read this	 group :-(r  K Ok, sorry to be a pain and now I'll try to help. But it just drives me nutsfH how many other companies out there just like yours (and some of them areD VERY big and profitable) are too cheap to supply the resource levelsI required. (And the number of Rdb bodies out on the street.) Insurance eh, 
 who needs it?   L Anyway, you say nothing's changed so without much information to go on, I'll offer two guesses FWTW  L 1) You've started to get a lot of deadlocks (any other errors logged to userI screens etc?) maybe a sorted index is looking a bit crappy after years of=J neglect. If your error-handling code is rolling back the transaction so asJ to recover from the deadlock then maybe the code is incorrectly proceeding, to the otherwise legitimate commit/rollback.  K 2) Some part of the database has grown and the number of rows has led to anGG internal array blowing up and if your transaction handles are in memory[K after the array. Is the system written in Pascal, RDML, RDO? Do you declareEI your own transaction handles? Sadly, I have seen production systems whereML people simply ignore this error :-( Often, they're using a specific databaseI handle in one module but accepting the default rdb$dbhandle in the other. J Then they say "That module does what we want let's call that" and they endL up with two attaches to the database each with it's own transaction context.K So a transaction could be started in one attach and you're trying to commitF- it in another. Are you using SQL Connections?e  J Any more information? How many times does RMU say each user is attached to4 the database? Is it only one specific module/option?   Regards Richard MaherV  > "NightspeedIT" <derek.cowdrey@nightspeed.com> wrote in message= news:1116430491.529600.205410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 	 > HELP!!!r >nB > I am the technical support person for Nightspeed Services Ltd in
 > Tipton, UK.r >eG > We have been using RDB V6.1-14 under VMS 6.2 for several years with a1H > major hitch but suddenly, two days ago we started to get large numbers > of...  > 4 > %RDB-E-BAD_TRANS_HANDL, invalid transaction handle >KG > ... errors. There have been no changes made to the system as far as IX > am aware.K >FG > I have very scant knowledge of RDB internals and Oracle don't seem toII > interested in helping me (I know we don't have a support contract but I 5 > did offer to pay to speak to someone on the phone!)  > 6 > Is there anyone out there who might be able to help? >E > Thanks >  > Derek CowdreyD >2   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 07:43:12 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)8+ Subject: Re: Edit a file from within a .COMt3 Message-ID: <XVzOd0Zp$Zbf@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  } In article <1116529113.197918.182150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com> writes:lB > i can't remember how to do this!  it' tough getting old!  :)  :)  ?    This is going to depend very much on what editor you choose.    > OVMS 7.3-2, ALPHA ES45 >  > i generate output #1 via;  > A > $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1  >  > ************H > this is from my test area.  the production code produces 14 lines; all > in the same format.a >  > output #1: > # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 # > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1?# > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1e# > ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1  >  > *********  > : > NOW, i'd like to edit the above to look like, output #2: > 4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10544860.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_10581046.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11001018.LOG;1 parms:4 > $sear srt:ELGLDR_____ADM_129_11233677.LOG;1 parms: >     An EDT based solution:E  B    $ dir srt:elg*.log;/since /out=dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis;/col=1'    $ edit/edt dga2:[rxadmin.ann]elg.lis.     s/ELGLDR/$sear srt:ELGLDR__/w    s/.log;1/.log;1 parms:/wG    exit[  D    Of course the EDT commands will change if not all the files start7    in ELGLDR and if not all are type and version .log;1r-    A different editor may be a better choice.S   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:10:05 GMT$/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>r% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installationr6 Message-ID: <1dmje.9812$i42.3929@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  * <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OF31A0C88F.603418B8-ON85257006.00730507-85257006.0072C88A@metso.com...  > = > Also, if you want the two files for completeness or in cased: > your application does in fact need them, they are in the	 > saveseta >t > [DECFMS025.KIT]HPFMS025.B;1o >r2 > on the CD and can be extracted into sys$share by >S3 > $backup/log ddcu:[DECFMS025.KIT}HPFMS025.a/save -s; > /sel=(FDVSHR_TV.EXE;,FDVSHR.IIF) sys$common:[syslib]*.*;-  > /owner=parent    This should be kit HPFMS025.B.  G The files in question haven't changed since 1992, so if FDV is already P( installed, they'll be readily available.  L Thanks to the original poster and contributors, you saved me some headaches.   -Jeff    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 08:01:08 -0700  From: njklostermann@cbegroup.com% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation C Message-ID: <1116598799.700590.244190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C Thanks to all, I really appreciate your responses/solutions.  I was > pulling my hair out on this one as I am relatively new to VMS.     Jeff Goodwin wrote:s+ > <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message  > K news:OF31A0C88F.603418B8-ON85257006.00730507-85257006.0072C88A@metso.com...  > > ? > > Also, if you want the two files for completeness or in case-< > > your application does in fact need them, they are in the > > savesetg > >  > > [DECFMS025.KIT]HPFMS025.B;1v > >e4 > > on the CD and can be extracted into sys$share by > >i5 > > $backup/log ddcu:[DECFMS025.KIT}HPFMS025.a/save - = > > /sel=(FDVSHR_TV.EXE;,FDVSHR.IIF) sys$common:[syslib]*.*;-i > > /owner=parent  >   > This should be kit HPFMS025.B. >t@ > The files in question haven't changed since 1992, so if FDV is already * > installed, they'll be readily available. >~C > Thanks to the original poster and contributors, you saved me some0
 headaches. >  > -Jeff    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:12:36 -04003 From: norm.raphael@metso.com% Subject: Re: FMS Runtime Installation Q Message-ID: <OF5A7D1D55.32520B91-ON85257007.00538088-85257007.00536481@metso.com>N  ) By the way - Score:  VMSINSTAL 1, PCSI 0.i  D If this had been a PCSI kit, fixing it would have been doable, but a narrower group would have known how.O  ; njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote on 05/20/2005 11:01:08 AM:t  E > Thanks to all, I really appreciate your responses/solutions.  I wase@ > pulling my hair out on this one as I am relatively new to VMS. >  >  > Jeff Goodwin wrote:t- > > <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message  > >V< > news:OF31A0C88F.603418B8-ON85257006.00730507-85257006.0072 C88A@metso.com...  > > > A > > > Also, if you want the two files for completeness or in case > > > > your application does in fact need them, they are in the
 > > > saveset  > > > ! > > > [DECFMS025.KIT]HPFMS025.B;1  > > >z6 > > > on the CD and can be extracted into sys$share by > > > 7 > > > $backup/log ddcu:[DECFMS025.KIT}HPFMS025.B/save - ? > > > /sel=(FDVSHR_TV.EXE;,FDVSHR.IIF) sys$common:[syslib]*.*;-n > > > /owner=parent  > > J > > The files in question haven't changed since 1992, so if FDV is already, > > installed, they'll be readily available. > > E > > Thanks to the original poster and contributors, you saved me someD > headaches. > > 	 > > -Jeff  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:02:04 -0400~ From: norm.raphael@metso.com5 Subject: Re: Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp?-Q Message-ID: <OFDBA6F084.963A92BD-ON85257007.0042323F-85257007.0041F2FF@metso.com>L   Thanks for trying, Dave.   After all, it's only revenue.c  H "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote on 05/19/2005 09:27:24 PM:=    H > I see we quickly went from "Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp" = to> > other stuff.  Can we please stay on topic.  Please.  Thanks. >eH > Getting back on topic, I did write to the Mark Hurd email address on = HP's  H > web site and suggested he go to the bootcamp in June.  I also mention= ed thisH > to Ann McQuaid and she said that Mark Hurd's schedule prevented him f= romd > attending. > 
 > I tried. >n	 > Dave...t >.0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:u86dnaV7pOuOMBHfRVn-qg@igs.net... > > AEF wrote: > >> John Smith wrote: > >>> Subject line says it all.  > >>>aH > >>> If so, I hope he'll do more for us than strike a pose with a t-sh= irtp > >>> and license plate. > >>>O > >>>  > >>> --H > >>> OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindlin= g  > >>> ISV base.e > >> > >>H > >> How about "The awesome, but never-advertised operating system with=  the > >> dwindling ISV base"?  > >e > >t > > I was toying with: > >E5 > > OpenVMS - The "Thor's Hammer of operating systems  > >O > >s > > From Wikipedia:t > >cH > > Thor is much more the god of the common man, often siding with mort= als H > > against other gods. Thor was an outright hero for mankind, powerful= ly > > defeating his enemies .... > > H > > Thor owned a short-handled war hammer, Mjollnir, which, when thrown=  at  acE > > target, returned magically to the owner. To wield this formidabled weapon,eE > > even a deity like Thor needed special iron gloves and a belt thate doubledi > > the wearer's strength.H > > ..... With the hammer, Thor indulged in his favourite sport of kill= ing  > > giants.E > >d > >TH > > but then there's this to contend with, which would only cause confu= sion in > > the aisles:s@ > > Thor's Hammer is the first supercomputer using the Red Storm
 architecture.PD > > It will be installed at Sandia National Laboratories, located inH > > Albuquerque, New Mexico.The project is a collaboration between Cray=   Inc. > > ande? > > Sandia Labs. The machine is slated to be installed in 2004.  > > F > > It is a 3 dimensional mesh-based MIMD machine consisting of 10,368 computecH > > nodes, 10 TB of total distributed memory and 120 TB of disk storage= .f TheiH > > system uses AMD 64 bit, dual-core Opteron CPUs as processing nodes.=  TheJ > > system consists of 140 cabinets, taking up 3000 square feet (280 m=B2= ). > >CH > > The system is meant to be a replacement for the earlier ASCI Red. T= he
 > > system; > > will have a theoretical peak of 40 Tera-ops per second.i > >a > >( > > --H > > OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling = ISVa	 > > base.e > >u > >2 >0 >=   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 06:48:51 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp?iB Message-ID: <1116596931.859495.48820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dave Gudewicz wrote:F > I see we quickly went from "Has Mark Hurd been invited to Boot Camp" to> > other stuff.  Can we please stay on topic.  Please.  Thanks.    B It was on topic. I responded to content of a post. Said content isA about VMS. So it's on topic. And it's important: JS is apparentlynG trying to save VMS by saying negative things about it. And without VMS,0; there'd be no topic to stay on! So we have to get it right.f  E Would you prefer a new thread with a new subject for such discussion?*   And no top posting, please.s    F > Getting back on topic, I did write to the Mark Hurd email address on HP's? > web site and suggested he go to the bootcamp in June.  I also. mentioned thisE > to Ann McQuaid and she said that Mark Hurd's schedule prevented himo from > attending. >a
 > I tried.     Thanks for your noble efforts.    	 > Dave...T >S0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:u86dnaV7pOuOMBHfRVn-qg@igs.net... > > AEF wrote: > >> John Smith wrote: > >>> Subject line says it all.a > >>>oB > >>> If so, I hope he'll do more for us than strike a pose with a t-shirt  > >>> and license plate. > >>>  > >>>  > >>> --> > >>> OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the	 dwindling0 > >>> ISV base.P > >> > >>G > >> How about "The awesome, but never-advertised operating system witho theo > >> dwindling ISV base"?0 > >  > >  > > I was toying with: > >v5 > > OpenVMS - The "Thor's Hammer of operating systems  > >l > >  > > From Wikipedia:  > >hB > > Thor is much more the god of the common man, often siding with mortalss> > > against other gods. Thor was an outright hero for mankind,
 powerfully [...]h > >e > >  > > --F > > OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISVe	 > > base.n > >e > >s   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:13:43 +0000 (UTC)r* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)5 Subject: How to filter spam based on message content?G0 Message-ID: <d6l5s7$il5$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  / I'm running OpenVMS AXP 7.3-2, TCPIP 5.4 ECO 4.n  > I have spam filtering set up for IP addresses we know are bad.  > What I want to be able to do is filter based on content of theA message, rather than just IP address, host name, or subject line.m@ I'd like to reject the message while it is still being received,F rather than letting it get queued and delivered to my users' inbox and4 having them to deal with the messages one at a time.  ( Does anyone know of a method to do this?  B This request is motivated by a spam that comes from a different IPA every time, has a different subject line, but almost always has a]C certain identifying text in the message's body, such as "mort(age"..  A I'm not sure it can even be done at all without totally replacingY, TCPIP$SMTP_RECEIVER.EXE .  Thanks for ideas.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduE   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 08:52:29 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>: Subject: Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertisingC Message-ID: <1116604349.737682.166350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>A   Anders Ekl=F6f wrote:.< > Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote: >. > >!; > > Current advertising is for iPods.  Focus on shadows :-)I > >A< > > Previous advertising was for iMacs.  Focus was on style. > > @ > > There may have been a G5 advertisement.  Focus was on power. > >rD > > But to the best of my knowledge, there have not been any ads (at leasteG > > not TV) touting the lack of virii or other security features of Mac  OS X.o > >p >sB > Mainly because what is true today can backfire tommorow - if the firsthD > Mac OS X native virus surfaces then. Apple lets others - users and& > magazines - supply that information.    F Hmmm. I'm looking at an ad in a recent Computerworld: A poster on someE hardware that says "THIS NETWORK IS ALERT, VIGILANT, AND WELL-GUARDEDfD MICROSOFT.COM/SECURITY/IT   MICROSOFT"   Caption: Find the tools and/ guidance you need for a well-guarded network ata microsoft.com/security/IT.".  G OK, now that you've all stopped laughing ... oh, you haven't? I'll wait0 a few more minutes. (!)u   .=2E..  C So Microsoft has a better case to advertise its security than Apple 
 does for its?E    F > However - Apple does mention viruses in several places in their web.@ > Seach the whole site for Virus or viruses and you will see ...A > Most notably under Educattion, Small business and Real stories.a    C HP mentions VMS on many of its www.hp.com Web pages. And in a quite  positive light, no less.     > --6 > I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines0 > to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2005 17:07:30 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising+ Message-ID: <3f6jqiF694l9U1@individual.net>W  C In article <1116604349.737682.166350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,o' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:l > Anders Eklf wrote:u= >> Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote:  >> >> >< >> > Current advertising is for iPods.  Focus on shadows :-) >> >= >> > Previous advertising was for iMacs.  Focus was on style.t >> >A >> > There may have been a G5 advertisement.  Focus was on power.0 >> >E >> > But to the best of my knowledge, there have not been any ads (atE > least H >> > not TV) touting the lack of virii or other security features of Mac > OS X.r >> > >>C >> Mainly because what is true today can backfire tommorow - if ther > first E >> Mac OS X native virus surfaces then. Apple lets others - users andE' >> magazines - supply that information.uH > Hmmm. I'm looking at an ad in a recent Computerworld: A poster on someG > hardware that says "THIS NETWORK IS ALERT, VIGILANT, AND WELL-GUARDEDsF > MICROSOFT.COM/SECURITY/IT   MICROSOFT"   Caption: Find the tools and1 > guidance you need for a well-guarded network at  > microsoft.com/security/IT."lI > OK, now that you've all stopped laughing ... oh, you haven't? I'll wait  > a few more minutes. (!)t > ....E > So Microsoft has a better case to advertise its security than Applet > does for its?t   And VMS too, apparently.   bill   -- lJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 11:15:56 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)* Subject: Re: message ident length question3 Message-ID: <HqloglI4zYC2@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  p In article <pZ6je.4550$Ri4.2907@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> writes: > Marty Kuhrt wrote:> >> I've run into an interesting anomoly with the length of theD >> identification portion of messages that can be output.  A messageG >> output usually consists of "facility-severity-identification, text".pC >> The message manual 31 is the max length (of prefix plus ident iteG >> seems), but the longest length ident I've be able to output is aboutsE >> 15.  If prefix plus ident is less than 31, but more than 15, I can ? >> compile and link it, but I won't see the full ident message.i >>  9 > According to Section 3.1 of the Message Utility Manual:l > IDENT I > Identifies a symbol of up to 15 characters that represents the message.i > 	 > Cheers,k > ject  > Well, there you go.  Now that I know exactly where to look it = becomes clear.  Seems I looked through the manual a few times-9 and didn't see it, but then my short term memory isn't...    What was I talking about again?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:11:06 -04008* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem + Message-ID: <3f62daF67v2rU1@individual.net>u  ; Do you have DCL$PATH defined? This would cause this effect.n   Marty   * <brucedodds@comcast.net> wrote in message = news:1116560078.405414.233710@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...r) > >. . .what exactly do you type when youp= >> *say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""?e >rH > I created a file named TYPE_FILE.COM that had just the following line: > TYPE 'P1'  > 
 > Entering > TYPE_FILE GPJSHQ.COMC > at the command prompt caused the file GPJSHQ.COM to be typed. The,6 > leading "@" character wasn't needed for some reason. >iE > Thank you for the comment, and thanks for all of the comments here.A > They have been helpful.l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:19:32 -0400v* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemm+ Message-ID: <3f62t4F64r4eU1@individual.net>P  6 "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> wrote in message % news:3f62daF67v2rU1@individual.net...u= > Do you have DCL$PATH defined? This would cause this effect.  >s > Marty  >P, > <brucedodds@comcast.net> wrote in message ? > news:1116560078.405414.233710@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...5* >> >. . .what exactly do you type when you> >>> *say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""? >>I >> I created a file named TYPE_FILE.COM that had just the following line:m >> TYPE 'P1' >> >> Entering1 >> TYPE_FILE GPJSHQ.COM.D >> at the command prompt caused the file GPJSHQ.COM to be typed. The7 >> leading "@" character wasn't needed for some reason.e >>F >> Thank you for the comment, and thanks for all of the comments here. >> They have been helpful. >> >y  E After I hit send I realized that he hit on the DCL first 4 character o? abbreviation rule and did not really run his command procedure.e   Marty    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 05:23:36 -0700 From: brucedodds@comcast.net- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem C Message-ID: <1116591816.695684.172260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>n  F I was just trying to create a command file that worked.  I have things8 I want to do with DCL, and I'm learning the environment.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 14:39:28 +0200. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem + Message-ID: <YyyBfiaxIRU4@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>u  b In article <1116591816.695684.172260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, brucedodds@comcast.net writes:H > I was just trying to create a command file that worked.  I have things: > I want to do with DCL, and I'm learning the environment.  ( Now I understand what You misunderstood:  F All Your example "procedures" had names identical (first 4 characters) to defined DCL commands.E Therefore, if You "call" the procedure without "@", then in fact You n' execute the command, not the procedure.lC See the HELP topic "@" to learm more about calling DCL-procedures !t    -- l6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2005 07:37:53 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemn3 Message-ID: <98rAaXxqFd+5@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  a In article <1116531373.436936.40960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, brucedodds@comcast.net writes:sI > Thanks, gents. Both of your suggestions were very helpful.  When I usede > the following code:  > 3 > ! Copy file(s) to O:\BKM. Wildcards are accepted.l
 > $SET VERIFYI > $COPY 'P1' SIMON::BKM:*.*F > H > and put a "@" in front of the procedure name at the command prompt, it	 > worked.i > F > I'm curious about the "@". I have an even simpler one line procedure
 > containing:U >  > TYPE 'P1'g > G > That runs fine from the command prompt without the "@" . But the file: > copy procedure bombed.  H    If the file is in DCL$PATH and the extension is .COM, DCL will try toB    execute it as if you provided the @, which has been around much    longer that DCL$PATH.  C    You didn't mention the name of the command files.  DCL will onlyhC    search DCL$PATH for .COM and .EXE files if the command you typedaE    does not match a DCL symbol and is not a command (or abbreviation)rE    in the DCL command tables.  Generally it is a good idea not to usegF    symbols or DCL$PATH files which match commands in DCL table or each	    other.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:53:48 -0400e' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problemm0 Message-ID: <118s5fab7hg31d1@corp.supernews.com>   brucedodds@comcast.net wrote:t( >>. . .what exactly do you type when you< >>*say* "runs fine from the command prompt without the "@""? >  > H > I created a file named TYPE_FILE.COM that had just the following line: > TYPE 'P1'  > 
 > Entering > TYPE_FILE GPJSHQ.COMC > at the command prompt caused the file GPJSHQ.COM to be typed. Theo6 > leading "@" character wasn't needed for some reason. > E > Thank you for the comment, and thanks for all of the comments here.  > They have been helpful.D >   G  From what you've described above, you DID NOT invoke the command file.   I If you have experience with MS-DOS, where typing in the name of a '.BAT' iG file causes it to execute, you need to learn that VMS does not, as far sE as I know, do such.  To execute a command file, the '@' is mandatory.N  G As for what you did do, well, DCL only looks at the first 4 characters bF of a command, which in your example is TYPE, a valid DCL command, and H therefore you invoked the 'TYPE' DCL verb to display the indicated file ( on the screen, or hardcopy, or whatever.   Dave   -- 94 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadp Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:45:38 +100006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>? Subject: Re Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)-X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE2B@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D20.ADC93B1C$. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable.     Huh, another forward :-((((e   -----Original Message-----8 From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/20/2005 4:34 PMh To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml< Subject: Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) =20e
 Disbelief!  L So exactly how much testing was done with this? Well it's only FMS after all :-(?   From me:  J What the hell does "it's only FMS after all" mean.  (I did see the smiley)  G I am sure that we are not the only ones in the world that used DEC FMS.w  L Yeah, it's only SMG, it's only Fortran, it's only Pascal, it's only C.  And=  of course, it's only VMS.   Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************n  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegede@ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.o  C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20tC immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20a? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20iC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesu> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************-    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D20.ADC93B1Ch- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"a+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1">eK <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0">-E <TITLE>Re Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)</TITLE>o </HEAD>u <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->s <BR>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Huh, another forward :-((((<BR>c <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR>L From: Richard Maher [<A HREF=3D"mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com">mailto:=$ maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com</A>]<BR> Sent: Fri 5/20/2005 4:34 PM<BR>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR>1@ Subject: Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)<BR> <BR> Disbelief!<BR> <BR>L So exactly how much testing was done with this? Well it's only FMS after al= l<BR>T :-(<BR>  <BR> From me:<BR> <BR>L What the hell does &quot;it's only FMS after all&quot; mean.&nbsp; (I did s= ee the smiley)<BR> <BR>K I am sure that we are not the only ones in the world that used DEC FMS.<BR>h <BR>L Yeah, it's only SMG, it's only Fortran, it's only Pascal, it's only C.&nbsp=# ; And of course, it's only VMS.<BR>r <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> </FONT>B </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR>PB and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR>tF the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR>oE immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR>sG authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR>TB virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>h </FONT>c </BODY>  </HTML>M) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D20.ADC93B1C--    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:00:19 -0400m From: norm.raphael@metso.comC Subject: Re: Re Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)lQ Message-ID: <OF839CE0BC.D657E3B0-ON85257007.004154B1-85257007.0041C9CB@metso.com>   I People!  Let's lighten up, please.  Yes, it is a major fowl-up (pardon my0
 language).J Be assured that the HP Services support guy was very clear that the person responsible for thisJ being released as it is had a lot of unrepeatable words for the situation.  C No one is pleased that this happened, and of course the systems areh supposed to prevent it, ands/ of course a fixed kit will appear one day soon.t  F This was not a diliberate action to drive you all away from former-DEC products,  It just comesI across that way.  Remember Jessica Rabbit's "I'm not bad.  I'm just drawnl
 that way."  D "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote on 05/20/2005 05:45:38 AM:   > Huh, another forward :-((((2 >a > -----Original Message-----: > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] > Sent: Fri 5/20/2005 4:34 PMd > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma> > Subject: Author? AUTHOR? (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) >  > Disbelief! >oJ > So exactly how much testing was done with this? Well it's only FMS after all  > :-(a >c
 > From me: >2D > What the hell does "it's only FMS after all" mean.  (I did see the smiley)T >tI > I am sure that we are not the only ones in the world that used DEC FMS.f >aE > Yeah, it's only SMG, it's only Fortran, it's only Pascal, it's onlyo# > C.  And of course, it's only VMS.: >c > Regards, Paddy >t >eI > ***********************************************************************g >sE > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedl? > and confidential information intended only for the use of theLB > addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient ofE > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise"B > the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,9 > distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.2 >aB > If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGridA > immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the > > individual sender except where the sender expressly and withD > authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. TransGrid uses@ > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses > contained in any attachment. > > > Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now& > firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" >-I > ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2005 12:07:10 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSc+ Message-ID: <3f627eF6682kU1@individual.net>i  0 In article <118qelvdj9a9337@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Wayne wrote:J >> We are building a "stretch cluster" across two sites that are 11 miles H >> apart, and have been begging Oracle and HP to get PeopleSoft backend J >> database serving certified for OpenVMS so we can take advantage of the M >> business continuity / disaster recovery capabilities inherent in it.  The uJ >> major response that we are getting is that there isn't enough interest B >> within the user community to justify the certification expense. > I > Your response to this should be that you're a customer, and if they're rG > not interested enough in you, then you're going to be someone else's tK > customer.  The problem is that they expect you to fall in line with what  ? > thay want you to do.  Resist now, of forever be their puppet.o  E I hate to rain on your parade but it seems they have already told you I they are not interested in your business.  Kinda like being told, "You'reeG fired" and replying "If you fire me, I'll quit."  Or maybe it was just,uA "Ok, Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out."  :-)I   >  >> My opinion P >> is that the interest is there, but the firmness of Oracle's and HP's refusal H >> to act has stifled much of its expression.  It was suggested that an M >> informal survey of interest might be in order, so I'm asking you for your u >> opinions. > J > Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it and 	 > use it.d  E Many places don't use sofgtware that is not guaranteed by the vendor.tC Can you base your business on a product that when it goes wrong then3 vendor can merely tell you, "Gee, that's too bad."?t   >  > /personal opinioni > G > At the prices Oracle charges, they should be real helpful.  I really  J > fail to see how their prices are justified.  Only thing I can think of, 0 > nobody ever does anything themselves anymore,   D I agree with this.  We used to be an IBM shop (20 years ago) and allC if the applications to run the University were done in house.  ThentD they dropped IBM and went with VMS and Banner.  Now, with everythingD being done by canned packages the data center has twice the staff it used to.  Figure that one!!e   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2005 12:09:02 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS + Message-ID: <3f62auF6682kU2@individual.net>o  , In article <4OidnRtg3ttgohDfRVn-rg@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Wayne wrote: >> Dave Froble wrote: ; >>> Your response to this should be that you're a customer,  >> Been thru all that... >> >> >> Dave Froble wrote:nG >>> Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test itg >>> and use it.<@ >> Ha!  Try telling that to the auditors!  I picture myself whenF >> something goes wrong and Oracle (PeopleSoft) tells us that we're onI >> an unsupported platform, and by the way, we're on our own.  No thanks.e >> >> >> >>< >> So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?" >  > G > Suggest that you contact Ann McQuaid,  General Manager of the OpenVMS + > Systems Division, and Marcello, and Hurd.a > M > If you don't get the response and action you need, call Scott McNeally with1J > a purchase order which includes rolling out your VMS gear on a trade-in.  D That woukld surely solve his problem, But if you think it would haveD any meaning at all to the above named people, you're more naive than I would eevr have thought.   bill   -- 9J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:00:19 -0400o' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>o- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSe0 Message-ID: <118s5rl7v6ntoc9@corp.supernews.com>   Wayne wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: > 9 >>Your response to this should be that you're a customer,- >  > Been thru all that...: >  >  > Dave Froble wrote: > I >>Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it and-	 >>use it.9 > N > Ha!  Try telling that to the auditors!  I picture myself when something goesE > wrong and Oracle (PeopleSoft) tells us that we're on an unsupported.9 > platform, and by the way, we're on our own.  No thanks.o >  >  >  > ; > So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?"e >  >   H I don't use either of the products.  I'd think that any responses would $ only be valid if from current users.   -- 24 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:02:03 -0400n' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>e- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <118s5unnl6ih645@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:u > Wayne wrote: >  >>Dave Froble wrote: >>: >>>Your response to this should be that you're a customer, >> >>Been thru all that...p >> >> >>Dave Froble wrote: >>F >>>Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it >>>and use it. >>? >>Ha!  Try telling that to the auditors!  I picture myself when3E >>something goes wrong and Oracle (PeopleSoft) tells us that we're on H >>an unsupported platform, and by the way, we're on our own.  No thanks. >> >> >> >>; >>So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?"  >  >  > G > Suggest that you contact Ann McQuaid,  General Manager of the OpenVMSh+ > Systems Division, and Marcello, and Hurd.. > M > If you don't get the response and action you need, call Scott McNeally with;J > a purchase order which includes rolling out your VMS gear on a trade-in.  H And be sure to CC the above mentioned people.  If they won't help, then + they need the Sun PO shoved in their faces.s   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadc Vanderbilt, PA  15486a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:05:03 -04003' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>V- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <118s64kabbevj39@corp.supernews.com>   Wayne wrote:0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:4OidnRtg3ttgohDfRVn-rg@igs.net... > 	 >><snip><a >>< >>>So do I take it that your response is a "not interested?" >> >>G >>Suggest that you contact Ann McQuaid,  General Manager of the OpenVMS + >>Systems Division, and Marcello, and Hurd.  >>H >>If you don't get the response and action you need, call Scott McNeally >  > with > J >>a purchase order which includes rolling out your VMS gear on a trade-in. >> > M > No one from Oracle?  They're the ones refusing to support their own product N > on what their statement of direction calls a "top" platform. Understood thatM > they're not supporting it as a result of HP's long history of non-promotion N > of OpenVMS, but still, for immediate action, shouldn't they be the ones more > heavily petitioned?  >  >   F Actually, yes, you're correct.  Therefore the PO should be to IBM for H DB2.  Note, I have no idea if DB2 is a solution.  The concept is, these < people won't change, if they don't know what they're losing.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin RoadA Vanderbilt, PA  15486F   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:10:21 -0400'' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>k- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSM0 Message-ID: <118s6ehflbbeub5@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <118qelvdj9a9337@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  >>Wayne wrote: >>J >>>We are building a "stretch cluster" across two sites that are 11 miles H >>>apart, and have been begging Oracle and HP to get PeopleSoft backend J >>>database serving certified for OpenVMS so we can take advantage of the M >>>business continuity / disaster recovery capabilities inherent in it.  The eJ >>>major response that we are getting is that there isn't enough interest B >>>within the user community to justify the certification expense. >>I >>Your response to this should be that you're a customer, and if they're .G >>not interested enough in you, then you're going to be someone else's gK >>customer.  The problem is that they expect you to fall in line with what "? >>thay want you to do.  Resist now, of forever be their puppet.  >  > G > I hate to rain on your parade but it seems they have already told you K > they are not interested in your business.  Kinda like being told, "You're I > fired" and replying "If you fire me, I'll quit."  Or maybe it was just,=C > "Ok, Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out."  :-),  B I'm thinking that possibly it's as you say, or possibly a case of H palying 'hardball' and expecting the customer to fall in line with what  they want to sell.   >>>My opinion P >>>is that the interest is there, but the firmness of Oracle's and HP's refusal H >>>to act has stifled much of its expression.  It was suggested that an M >>>informal survey of interest might be in order, so I'm asking you for your n >>>opinions. >>J >>Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it and 	 >>use it.  >  > G > Many places don't use sofgtware that is not guaranteed by the vendor.rE > Can you base your business on a product that when it goes wrong the 5 > vendor can merely tell you, "Gee, that's too bad."?a  G Ok, how does this work with 'open source' where you are free to modify e* and maintain the code as you see fit?  :-)  E Had to slide that one in there, in response to all I read about open o5 source and free software being the way of the future.d   >>/personal opinion= >>G >>At the prices Oracle charges, they should be real helpful.  I really nJ >>fail to see how their prices are justified.  Only thing I can think of, 0 >>nobody ever does anything themselves anymore,  >  > F > I agree with this.  We used to be an IBM shop (20 years ago) and allE > if the applications to run the University were done in house.  ThenpF > they dropped IBM and went with VMS and Banner.  Now, with everythingF > being done by canned packages the data center has twice the staff it > used to.  Figure that one!!  >  > bill >      -- @4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roada Vanderbilt, PA  15486d   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2005 17:25:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSb+ Message-ID: <3f6ksrF69vd7U1@individual.net>:  0 In article <118s6ehflbbeub5@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <118qelvdj9a9337@corp.supernews.com>,a- >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:i >>   >>>Wayne wrote:i >>>lK >>>>We are building a "stretch cluster" across two sites that are 11 miles sI >>>>apart, and have been begging Oracle and HP to get PeopleSoft backend .K >>>>database serving certified for OpenVMS so we can take advantage of the vN >>>>business continuity / disaster recovery capabilities inherent in it.  The K >>>>major response that we are getting is that there isn't enough interest eC >>>>within the user community to justify the certification expense.  >>>:J >>>Your response to this should be that you're a customer, and if they're H >>>not interested enough in you, then you're going to be someone else's L >>>customer.  The problem is that they expect you to fall in line with what @ >>>thay want you to do.  Resist now, of forever be their puppet. >>   >> mH >> I hate to rain on your parade but it seems they have already told youL >> they are not interested in your business.  Kinda like being told, "You'reJ >> fired" and replying "If you fire me, I'll quit."  Or maybe it was just,D >> "Ok, Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out."  :-) > D > I'm thinking that possibly it's as you say, or possibly a case of J > palying 'hardball' and expecting the customer to fall in line with what  > they want to sell. >  >>>>My opinion  Q >>>>is that the interest is there, but the firmness of Oracle's and HP's refusal 0I >>>>to act has stifled much of its expression.  It was suggested that an rN >>>>informal survey of interest might be in order, so I'm asking you for your 
 >>>>opinions.n >>>nK >>>Does it work?  If so, why do you need their certification?  Test it and s
 >>>use it. >> a >>  H >> Many places don't use sofgtware that is not guaranteed by the vendor.F >> Can you base your business on a product that when it goes wrong the6 >> vendor can merely tell you, "Gee, that's too bad."? > I > Ok, how does this work with 'open source' where you are free to modify  , > and maintain the code as you see fit?  :-)  D Many places choose not to use open source software.  Many places areD prohibited from using open source software by corporate regulations.? Until a memeo dated June 2003 from the DOD CIO, DOD was in facth@ prohibited from using open source software (I have a copy of theH original directive laying around here somewhere) even though many people in DOD were already doing it.u   > G > Had to slide that one in there, in response to all I read about open a7 > source and free software being the way of the future.e  A It was a fair but irrelevant question.  With open source softwareuB you get all the support you are promised or pay for.  :-)  You areA free to pay a third party to provide support if you wish.  Sacly,s8 even that is not an option for most commercial software.   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC)h( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSa5 Message-ID: <d6l6er$hb5$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   Z In article <118s6ehflbbeub5@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > I > Ok, how does this work with 'open source' where you are free to modify t, > and maintain the code as you see fit?  :-) > G > Had to slide that one in there, in response to all I read about open  7 > source and free software being the way of the future.l >    There's no contradiction here.I The possibility to modify OSS doesn't mean that it is practical to do so.tJ It means that you can second-source your OS and/or your productivity apps.F If you're not satisfied with RedHat's support, go Suse, or vice versa.J It's a different business model, pay for support instead of lines of code.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:51:05 +0200r3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>P3 Subject: Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMSd= Message-ID: <428dcf2a$0$67262$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    >t@ > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message9 > news:428cb594$0$78285$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...e >> Richard Maher wrote:T >>> Hi,i >>>.B >>> I am of the opinion that DECforms was one of the key strategicE >>> f*ck-ups that, while not actually instigating, certainly hasteneda >>> the recession of VMSD >>> as a development platform (and DEC as a company). Furthermore, I? >>> suspect that IBM, and others on the FIMS consortium, merelybF >>> continued to fund the project so they could enjoy the spectacle ofC >>> Digital disappearing up its own DECforms rathole! That said, if A >>> you'd like to learn a complete new language (IFDL) and run itG> >>> without a debugger (anyone who's worked with DECforms willD >>> appreciate the useful trace output "You are on the right side ofB >>> the equation") or a useful Panel Editor then, by all means, go
 >>> DECforms.  >>>>G >>> Getting back to your original queries both here and in COV, what iss >>> the actual problem?r >>>rH >>> 1) Your Screen-Section strategy is a perfectly acceptable way to go.' >>> What do you think is wrong with it?i >>>eF >>> 2) Was it you that was questioning the refresh time? If so, seeingA >>> as how Don Braffit has confirmed that DEC COBOL uses the SMG$ D >>> utility, you may want to ask him why he doesn't batch the screenG >>> output (if in fact he doesn't). Was it also you with the VT220 CRT?yG >>> Have you tried with any reasonable VT terminal emulator and telnet?m >>> Is it still slow?  >>>cG >>> 3) If you really pine for some sort of IBM 3270 emulation block i/orG >>> thingy, then WHY? (Having said that I recall that FMS had some such B >>> emulation functionality.) If you are using ACMS (a transactionB >>> monitor analogous to CICS) then I can see the requirement. DECE >>> decided to create TDMS for this purpose. It's much like a limitediF >>> FMS but does have the asynchronous record i/o capability where youG >>> have one process (the CP) controlling many CRTs. TDMS has just beenRE >>> ported to Alpha so I assume it will also be making it to Itanium,m> >>> but I guess you should really go DECforms if you need this >>> functionality. >>> F >>> 4) Are you limited to a dumb terminal/character-cell interface? IfC >>> not, then why don't you front end your application with VB  (ortD >>> whatever) and have VMS and COBOL serve the back-end? Then we can8 >>> have another lengthy discussion about middleware :-) >>>TE >>> So Volker, please restate your requirements/problems/restrictionse >>> and someonee@ >>> may be able to offer some specific advice. For the followingB >>> discussion I'll assume you're restricted to dumb terminals andB >>> you've landed this VMS and COBOL box and you want to know what4 >>> tool(s) should you use for the user-interface: - >>> A >>> "Options that I know of for VMS character-cell user-interfacem >>> development with COBOL"e >>> A >>> a) COBOL's own DISPLAY and ACCEPT verbs. (With or without theo >>> SCREEN-SECTION)o >>>t; >>> Nothing wrong with it! Can provide a perfectly adequatey7 >>> "missionary-position" user-interface. Easy to code.a >>>e2 >>> b) The SMG$ (Screen Manager) Run-Time Library. >>>0H >>> At the dollar ($) prompt, type HELP RTL SMG$ and you will see all ofG >>> the routines that you can call to paint your screens. There is alsouF >>> complete documentation somewhere on the web. Your interest may lieD >>> with the buffering routines (have a look at SMG$*_DISPLAY_UPDATE >>> routines.) >>>gG >>> SMG $ is VERY powerful and the best thing is it comes free with the F >>> operating system and supports quite a few CRT types. It is howeverC >>> quite complex and it will take a while for you to get your head ) >>> around if you haven't done it before.P >>>CH >>> c) The $QIO System Service to the Terminal Driver and io$_readverify >>>dB >>> I don't recommend that you go this way and only include it forG >>> completeness. This is a very low-level interface. (You have to codenE >>> your own escape sequences to change video-attributes etc). But if0F >>> you are interested, look at the Terminal Driver section of the I/O& >>> Users Reference manual. (I think?) >>>g" >>> d) FMS Forms Management System >>> G >>> This is the BEST character-cell forms product EVER invented! (ThereUE >>> is also an FMS to Motif converter available) There is a fantastictD >>> full-function Panel-Editor and your forms are stored in separateD >>> files (or a library) and can be compiled and linked in with your; >>> COBOL object code for performance. See docs on the web.n >>>eG >>> The downside is it costs money and HP make you pay through the nose > >>> even though they flatly refuse to enhance this product :-( >>>> >>> e) TDMS (Some acronym :-). >>> G >>> Like FMS but record-oriented and has asynchronous capabilities. I'dlD >>> only use it if I was using ACMS.  Costs money. HP have only justD >>> ported to ALPHA. (Probably about the same time they announce the >>> death of the Alpha chip?)e >>>iC >>> f) DECforms. Piece o' shit. The drug-inspired act of a mad man.a >>>rG >>> If you're using ACMS then you probably need this. (But then there's-0 >>> the SI interface but I digress) Costs money. >>>0F >>> The last I heard (probably about 5 years ago) FMS had sold 750,000C >>> licenses, TDMS had sold 150,000 and DECforms 100,000. The FormssG >>> Development Team at DEC took all of the lovely revenue from FMS and 6 >>> P*ssed it up against the DECforms folly of a wall. >>>n >>> Regards Richard Maher- >>>-G >>> PS. The above may not be a completely objective analysis and may beJ. >>> tinted with my own bias and prejudices :-) >>>r >> Richard,g >>G >> As soon as I started reading about DECForms panel editor and IFDL my0E >> brain short circuited and I was transported through space and time D >> into another zone.  Soon after fear and loathing took over and myF >> dog had to give me mouth to mouth to bring me out of it.  Man, that1 >> DECForms sh*t can really screw with your mind.c >>. >> Dr. Dweeb - still trembling at the memories >>& >> ps: What is "fims" mean in danish ?   Richard Maher wrote: > Hi,  >n >>& >> ps: What is "fims" mean in danish ? >> >u. > No idea. Could it be "My Lego is broken" :-) >l > Cheers Richard  M IIRC it is the equivalent of the "C" word when describing part of the female - anatomy.   Dweeb. -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:20:05 +0200e: From: "Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk>3 Subject: Re: Screen descriptions in HP Cobol on VMSs< Message-ID: <428dd5e4$0$50652$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk>  = Being a dane and all, I can inform you that "fims" means fartt     -- f Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen- "...Anybody that can talk can sing the blues. ' That doesn't mean people gonna like it.dE You don't have to be black or white, red or yellow, just be a person.n> And if you practice it, you can learn it. Whatever "it" is..."
 [B.B.King]D "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> skrev i en meddelelse 7 news:428cb594$0$78285$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...r > Richard Maher wrote: >> Hi, >>A >> I am of the opinion that DECforms was one of the key strategic H >> f*ck-ups that, while not actually instigating, certainly hastened the >> recession of VMSdC >> as a development platform (and DEC as a company). Furthermore, IuH >> suspect that IBM, and others on the FIMS consortium, merely continuedC >> to fund the project so they could enjoy the spectacle of DigitaloH >> disappearing up its own DECforms rathole! That said, if you'd like toE >> learn a complete new language (IFDL) and run it without a debuggeroF >> (anyone who's worked with DECforms will appreciate the useful traceH >> output "You are on the right side of the equation") or a useful Panel* >> Editor then, by all means, go DECforms. >>F >> Getting back to your original queries both here and in COV, what is >> the actual problem? >>G >> 1) Your Screen-Section strategy is a perfectly acceptable way to go.s& >> What do you think is wrong with it? >>H >> 2) Was it you that was questioning the refresh time? If so, seeing asF >> how Don Braffit has confirmed that DEC COBOL uses the SMG$ utility,H >> you may want to ask him why he doesn't batch the screen output (if inG >> fact he doesn't). Was it also you with the VT220 CRT? Have you triedoI >> with any reasonable VT terminal emulator and telnet? Is it still slow?h >>F >> 3) If you really pine for some sort of IBM 3270 emulation block i/oF >> thingy, then WHY? (Having said that I recall that FMS had some suchA >> emulation functionality.) If you are using ACMS (a transactionaA >> monitor analogous to CICS) then I can see the requirement. DEC H >> decided to create TDMS for this purpose. It's much like a limited FMSF >> but does have the asynchronous record i/o capability where you haveH >> one process (the CP) controlling many CRTs. TDMS has just been portedC >> to Alpha so I assume it will also be making it to Itanium, but IeF >> guess you should really go DECforms if you need this functionality. >>E >> 4) Are you limited to a dumb terminal/character-cell interface? IfcB >> not, then why don't you front end your application with VB  (orH >> whatever) and have VMS and COBOL serve the back-end? Then we can have2 >> another lengthy discussion about middleware :-) >>H >> So Volker, please restate your requirements/problems/restrictions and
 >> someone? >> may be able to offer some specific advice. For the followingoH >> discussion I'll assume you're restricted to dumb terminals and you'veB >> landed this VMS and COBOL box and you want to know what tool(s)+ >> should you use for the user-interface: -d >>@ >> "Options that I know of for VMS character-cell user-interface >> development with COBOL" >>@ >> a) COBOL's own DISPLAY and ACCEPT verbs. (With or without the >> SCREEN-SECTION) >>: >> Nothing wrong with it! Can provide a perfectly adequate6 >> "missionary-position" user-interface. Easy to code. >>1 >> b) The SMG$ (Screen Manager) Run-Time Library.  >>G >> At the dollar ($) prompt, type HELP RTL SMG$ and you will see all ofdF >> the routines that you can call to paint your screens. There is alsoE >> complete documentation somewhere on the web. Your interest may lielC >> with the buffering routines (have a look at SMG$*_DISPLAY_UPDATEP
 >> routines.)* >>F >> SMG $ is VERY powerful and the best thing is it comes free with theE >> operating system and supports quite a few CRT types. It is howeverfB >> quite complex and it will take a while for you to get your head( >> around if you haven't done it before. >>G >> c) The $QIO System Service to the Terminal Driver and io$_readverifyd >>A >> I don't recommend that you go this way and only include it foriF >> completeness. This is a very low-level interface. (You have to codeH >> your own escape sequences to change video-attributes etc). But if youG >> are interested, look at the Terminal Driver section of the I/O Userss >> Reference manual. (I think?)r >>! >> d) FMS Forms Management Systeme >>F >> This is the BEST character-cell forms product EVER invented! (ThereD >> is also an FMS to Motif converter available) There is a fantasticC >> full-function Panel-Editor and your forms are stored in separatemC >> files (or a library) and can be compiled and linked in with your*: >> COBOL object code for performance. See docs on the web. >>F >> The downside is it costs money and HP make you pay through the nose= >> even though they flatly refuse to enhance this product :-(  >> >> e) TDMS (Some acronym :-) >>F >> Like FMS but record-oriented and has asynchronous capabilities. I'dC >> only use it if I was using ACMS.  Costs money. HP have only justeC >> ported to ALPHA. (Probably about the same time they announce theu >> death of the Alpha chip?) >>B >> f) DECforms. Piece o' shit. The drug-inspired act of a mad man. >>F >> If you're using ACMS then you probably need this. (But then there's/ >> the SI interface but I digress) Costs money.o >>E >> The last I heard (probably about 5 years ago) FMS had sold 750,000>B >> licenses, TDMS had sold 150,000 and DECforms 100,000. The FormsF >> Development Team at DEC took all of the lovely revenue from FMS and5 >> P*ssed it up against the DECforms folly of a wall.o >> >> Regards Richard Maher >>F >> PS. The above may not be a completely objective analysis and may be- >> tinted with my own bias and prejudices :-); >>
 > Richard, >sM > As soon as I started reading about DECForms panel editor and IFDL my brain dL > short circuited and I was transported through space and time into another J > zone.  Soon after fear and loathing took over and my dog had to give me L > mouth to mouth to bring me out of it.  Man, that DECForms sh*t can really  > screw with your mind.* >*- > Dr. Dweeb - still trembling at the memoriesc >s% > ps: What is "fims" mean in danish ?i >e >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:37:51 -0500d% From: Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp>h% Subject: Where is the tftp directory?l. Message-ID: <slrnd8s83f.co1.njc@wolfgang.uucp>  > OK, let me first admit that I haven't a clue how the directoryD structure under VMS works. I don't know how to find anything. HavingE said that I need to ftp put Cisco images into the tftp directory so IiE can tftp get them from the routers. Where do I put them so I can just > do a simple tftp get (i.e. no directory path when using tftp).   Thanks   -- <C Linux Home Automation         Neil Cherry       ncherry@comcast.netu; http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/               (Text only)f8 http://hcs.sourceforge.net/                     (HCS II): http://linuxha.blogspot.com/                    My HA Blog   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.280 ************************