1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 23 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 286       Contents: Re: apache log rotation  Re: apache log rotation # Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ( Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP$ Big round of job cuts expected at HP( Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP( Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP( Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP' Check/Change OpenVMS password w/ Apache 1 Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users) 0 Re: How to filter spam based on message content?0 Re: How to filter spam based on message content? Re: LAT problems Re: LAT problemsC Re: Lexical function to set environmental variables of AlphaStation  Re: New Cluster Interconnects D Re: Newbie Questio.. Getting a Virtual address space full and global$ Re: Newbie with command file problem4 Re: Newby question about date computations / IF-THEN Oracle8, ODBC and VMS + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming $ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS$ Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSJ Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100J RE: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100J Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100J Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100P Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100 VS310 Test Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2  Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2  Re: Valid IP Address  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:58:19 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>  Subject: Re: apache log rotation+ Message-ID: <3fe5raF7dnskU1@individual.net>    tim.beaudin@hp.com wrote:    > Hi,  >  >  Does this help? >  > $ @sys$manager:apache$symbols  > $ httpd -k flush >  > and/or >  > $ @sys$manager:apache$symbols  > $ httpd -k new >   E Tim, has the problem reported below been solved? I don't recall ever  ) seeing an aanouncement that it was fixed.    http://tinyurl.com/9qgba   ---- quote ----  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ) Von: "Rick Barry" <b...@star.zko.dec.com> & Datum: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:41:37 -0500 Lokal: Mo 24 Feb. 2003 15:41. Betreff: Re: CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems  8 "ted crane" <googlepos...@tedcrane.com> wrote in message  6 news:dd169acf.0302212223.a7e5ea8@posting.google.com...  1  > Please excuse me for being such a bulldog with 2   > this set of questions, but it seems to me that4   > the various postings in reply to my original are$   > sortof dancing around the issue.
   > [snip]  H There are problems with the FLUSH/NEW commands in CSWS 1.2 and 1.3 that H may cause loss of data. We recommend that people not use these commands # until a fix is available (shortly).   H There has been a recent report of data loss ("holes in the access log") G   when FLUSH/NEW was not used. We're investigating that report, but so  C far we have not been able to determine whether there is a software  ? problem or not. We have not been able to duplicate the problem  ? internally, but we'll continue to investigate until we have an   explanation for the data loss.  I If we discover that there is a problem, we'll fix it and provide a patch   kit.   ---- end quote ----    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:38:09 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)  Subject: Re: apache log rotation2 Message-ID: <05052309380952_2860027B@antinode.org>  & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>  G > Tim, has the problem reported below been solved? I don't recall ever  + > seeing an aanouncement that it was fixed.  >  > http://tinyurl.com/9qgba > + > [... FLUSH causes holes in log files ...]   G    I ran into this problem at about the same time it was reported here, H perhaps at CSWS V1.2.  I'm now at "Apache/1.3.20 (OpenVMS) mod_ssl/2.8.4@ OpenSSL/0.9.6g", and I do not recall seeing any report of a fix.  E    When I discovered the data loss, I switched from periodic FLUSH to G periodic GRACEFUL.  I don't like it much, but I don't do enough serious , stuff here to be troubled by the difference.  D    If there is a fix beginning in some version or other, I'd like to know about it, too.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:10:26 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>, Subject: Re: AUTOGEN and page and swap files+ Message-ID: <3feh3fF7e4u8U1@individual.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   7 > In article <428E1596.EB6F2A60@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ) > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   >  >  >>re: PAGE/SWAP file problems: >> >>PAGEFILE = 0 >>SWAPFILE = 0 >>DUMPFILE = 0 >  > I > At present, AUTOGEN doesn't change them anyway.  I might be interested  K > in the output, if only from TESTFILES.  (Again, it would be nice to have  @ > this and also SETPARAMS without having to edit MODPARAMS.DAT.) > G Even with those parameters set to zero, a report of what Autogen would  - have done is in SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT    ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 07:49:44 -0700! From: "Nazim" <nmanser@progis.de> 2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restoreC Message-ID: <1116859784.139816.249270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   B sorry to disappoint you, last weekend i tried the beta versions of. zip30d and unzip60d with the following results  - 1) the build of zip30d and unzip60d went fine .     env. openVMS alpha 7.3-2 Compaq C V6.5-001  ? 2) i zipped a 4,57 GB backup saveset with the following command        zip30 "-V" xxx.zip xxx.bck   3) checksum xxx.bck      sh symbol checksum$checksum $     CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM = "3261050136"       checksum xxx.zip     sh symbol checksum$checksum $     CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM = "3431764876"  A 4) i ftp the xxx.zip from a vms box to a windows with binary mode 0     then i tested the zip archive with no errors  E 5) i ftp the xxx.zip from the windows box to another vms machine with   identical config (openvms 7.3-2)8     i tested the zip archive with unzip60 with no errors   6) i unzipped the file     unzip60 -x xxx.zip   7) checksum xxx.bck  checksum xxx.zip sh symbol checksum$checksum   CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM = "3431764876"   checksum xxx.bck sh symbol checksum$checksum "   CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM = "2500184889"   in the zip checksum no change  in the bck checksum a change   8) backup/list xxx.bck  >   IPPSA2> backup/list ALPHASYS_IPPSA2$DKA0_180505_ZMR.BCK;/sav Listing of save set(s)  6 Save set:          ALPHASYS_ippsa2$dka0_180505_zmr.bck Written by:        MANSER " UIC:               [000002,000002]* Date:              18-MAY-2005 13:41:32.25D Command:           BACKUP/CONFIRM/LOG/NORECORD/NOASSIST/IMAGE/NOCONF7 IPPSA2$DKA0: []ALPHASYS_ippsa2$dka0_180505_zmr.bck/SAVE - Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3  BACKUP version:    AXP72R001 CPU ID register:   80000000  Node name:         _IPPSA2::  Written on:        _IPPSA2$DKA0: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10  Buffer count:      45    Image save of volume set Number of volumes: 1   Volume attributes  Structure level:   5 Label:             ALPHASYS  Owner:" Owner UIC:         [000001,000001]* Creation date:      2-DEC-2003 09:36:26.96 Total blocks:      71132000  Access count:      3 Cluster size:      69 $ Data check:        No Read, No Write Extension size:    5< File protection:   System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World: Maximum files:     508085 B Volume protection: System:RWCD, Owner:RWCD, Group:RWCD, World:RWCD Windows:           7  = [000000]000000.DIR;1                                        2  2-DEC-2003 09:36= [000000]APPS.DIR;1                                          1  21-DEC-2004 10:39  .....  ..... 0 %BACKUP-E-READERRS, excessive error rate readingJ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000.BACKUPS.IPPSA2]ALPHASYS_IPPSA2$DKA0_180505_ZMR.BCK;1, -BACKUP-E-BLOCKCRC, software block CRC error4 %BACKUP-I-SPECIFY, specify option (QUIT or CONTINUE)     9) analyze/rms xxx.bck   RMS FILE ATTRIBUTES   %         File Organization: sequential          Record Format: fixed+         Record Attributes:  carriage-return          Maximum Record Size: 0         Longest Record: 32256 9         Blocks Allocated: 9598452, Default Extend Size: 0 2         End-of-File VBN: 9598429, Offset: %X'0000'!         File Monitoring: disabled          Global Buffer Count: 0+ ***  File has illegal max record size of 0. 5 Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.      The analysis uncovered 1 error.     / ANALYZE/RMS ALPHASYS_IPPSA2$DKA0_180505_ZMR.BCK   " 10) i repaired through the command  $ $set file/attrib=(mrs:32256) xxx.bck   11) analyze/rms xxx.bck    RMS FILE ATTRIBUTES   %         File Organization: sequential          Record Format: fixed+         Record Attributes:  carriage-return "         Maximum Record Size: 32256         Longest Record: 32256 9         Blocks Allocated: 9598452, Default Extend Size: 0 2         End-of-File VBN: 9598429, Offset: %X'0000'!         File Monitoring: disabled          Global Buffer Count: 0    ! The analysis uncovered NO errors.     / ANALYZE/RMS ALPHASYS_IPPSA2$DKA0_180505_ZMR.BCK    12) backup /list xxx.bck  0 %BACKUP-E-READERRS, excessive error rate readingJ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000.BACKUPS.IPPSA2]ALPHASYS_IPPSA2$DKA0_180505_ZMR.BCK;2, -BACKUP-E-BLOCKCRC, software block CRC error4 %BACKUP-I-SPECIFY, specify option (QUIT or CONTINUE)   regards,   Nazim    ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 08:52:31 -0700! From: "Nazim" <nmanser@progis.de> 2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restoreC Message-ID: <1116863551.938591.260430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   1 thanks for the pointer, but i tried the following   $ xxx.bck is a 12,3 GB backup saveset.   $sploin -P10 xxx.bck  F it has splitted 10 files of 17,45 MB each, i expected 10 files of 1,23 GB each    regards,   Nazim    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:55:45 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP ? Message-ID: <d6s2a0$94b$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,   L Good to see you Sue. I was beginning to think that everyone from HP had beenI locked in the Cone of Silence over the last week. (Either that, or they'd C finally got fed up with COV, took their bat and ball and went home)   I If these job cuts are going to happen (and it would seem likely that they K will) I just hope that VMS people don't start looking at the situation with K an objective eye. I'd imagine that the first round would offer a "generous" J redundancy package and if I was a VMS engineer of a certain age (that theyH all must be by now :-) financially secure, with the kids almost off yourB hands, then you'd have to start thinking. "Do I keep working underI Democlese's sword while getting kicked in the head by COV people, or do I K open that Dive Shop in Florida?"  Thankfully you guys/gals will continue to / make the wrong decision, and we love ya for it!    Regards Richard Maher   J PS. What was so exciting last week that no one from HP was seen here? (Not that they missed anything)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:14:34 +1000 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>- Subject: Big round of job cuts expected at HP X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE2F@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55F77.D5DE72DC . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    >-----Original Message----- 9 >From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]  >Sent: Mon 5/23/2005 5:55 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >Subject: Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP >=20 >Hi, > L >Good to see you Sue. I was beginning to think that everyone from HP had be= enJ >locked in the Cone of Silence over the last week. (Either that, or they'dD >finally got fed up with COV, took their bat and ball and went home) > J >If these job cuts are going to happen (and it would seem likely that theyL >will) I just hope that VMS people don't start looking at the situation withL >an objective eye. I'd imagine that the first round would offer a "generous"K >redundancy package and if I was a VMS engineer of a certain age (that they I >all must be by now :-) financially secure, with the kids almost off your C >hands, then you'd have to start thinking. "Do I keep working under J >Democlese's sword while getting kicked in the head by COV people, or do I ^^a   L >open that Dive Shop in Florida?"  Thankfully you guys/gals will continue to0 >make the wrong decision, and we love ya for it! >  >Regards Richard Maher  L From what I have seen from (IIRC) Martin's photos, both Guy and Hein are yo= ung (relatively :-).  L But many people (e.g. me) who love the job that they do, find the idea of r=L etiring something to look at with a certain amount of trepidation.  I shall=L  be sixty in August, and am scheduled to retire end of the year.  My wife a=L nd I have bought a country property of two acres, but I shall certainly mis=L s the work I do.  I'll become a hobbyist in order to still do number-crunch= ing, as much work as a hobby.   L Are the kids ever off your hands :-)?  Ours, late twenties and middle thirt=' ies, still seem to need money at times.   L As with you, I salute our VMS engineering staff colleagues who respond here=L  (I include Sue as an engineering type person since she seems to keep them =1 and the ambassadors in check, and us informed :-)    Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  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I was beginning to think that everyone from HP had=	  been<BR> L &gt;locked in the Cone of Silence over the last week. (Either that, or they= 'd<BR>K &gt;finally got fed up with COV, took their bat and ball and went home)<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt;If these job cuts are going to happen (and it would seem likely that th= ey<BR>L &gt;will) I just hope that VMS people don't start looking at the situation = with<BR>L &gt;an objective eye. I'd imagine that the first round would offer a &quot;= generous&quot;<BR>L &gt;redundancy package and if I was a VMS engineer of a certain age (that t= hey<BR> L &gt;all must be by now :-) financially secure, with the kids almost off you= r<BR> L &gt;hands, then you'd have to start thinking. &quot;Do I keep working under= <BR>L &gt;Democlese's sword while getting kicked in the head by COV people, or do=  I<BR> ^^a<BR>  <BR>L &gt;open that Dive Shop in Florida?&quot;&nbsp; Thankfully you guys/gals wi= ll continue to<BR>7 &gt;make the wrong decision, and we love ya for it!<BR>  &gt;<BR> &gt;Regards Richard Maher<BR>  <BR>L From what I have seen from (IIRC) Martin's photos, both Guy and Hein are yo= ung (relatively :-).<BR> <BR>L But many people (e.g. me) who love the job that they do, find the idea of r=L etiring something to look at with a certain amount of trepidation.&nbsp; I =L shall be sixty in August, and am scheduled to retire end of the year.&nbsp;=L  My wife and I have bought a country property of two acres, but I shall cer=L tainly miss the work I do.&nbsp; I'll become a hobbyist in order to still d=0 o number-crunching, as much work as a hobby.<BR> <BR>L Are the kids ever off your hands :-)?&nbsp; Ours, late twenties and middle =0 thirties, still seem to need money at times.<BR> <BR>L As with you, I salute our VMS engineering staff colleagues who respond here=L  (I include Sue as an engineering type person since she seems to keep them =5 and the ambassadors in check, and us informed :-)<BR>  <BR> Regards, Paddy</FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  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TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55F77.D5DE72DC--    ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2005 10:52:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP + Message-ID: <3fdqvuF7ao66U1@individual.net>   ? In article <d6s2a0$94b$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, 6 	"Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: > Hi,  > N > Good to see you Sue. I was beginning to think that everyone from HP had beenK > locked in the Cone of Silence over the last week. (Either that, or they'd E > finally got fed up with COV, took their bat and ball and went home)  > K > If these job cuts are going to happen (and it would seem likely that they M > will) I just hope that VMS people don't start looking at the situation with M > an objective eye. I'd imagine that the first round would offer a "generous" L > redundancy package and if I was a VMS engineer of a certain age (that theyJ > all must be by now :-) financially secure, with the kids almost off yourD > hands, then you'd have to start thinking. "Do I keep working underK > Democlese's sword while getting kicked in the head by COV people, or do I   C No one here has ever kicked VMS Engineering in the head.  There has B never been anything but the highest regard for them.  management,  however is another thing.   M > open that Dive Shop in Florida?"  Thankfully you guys/gals will continue to 1 > make the wrong decision, and we love ya for it!  >  > Regards Richard Maher  > L > PS. What was so exciting last week that no one from HP was seen here? (Not > that they missed anything) >  >    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:31:11 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP = Message-ID: <0aKdnbXiNKa9RgzfRVn-sw@metrocastcablevision.com>    O'Brien Paddy wrote:   ...   H >  From what I have seen from (IIRC) Martin's photos, both Guy and Hein  > are young (relatively :-).  G Well, 'relatively', perhaps.  I believe that I first became acquainted  H with Hein well over two decades ago, but hard work and clean living (or 5 is it the other way around?) have preserved him well.    - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:35:03 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP ? Message-ID: <d6t486$rkh$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,    > : > No one here has ever kicked VMS Engineering in the head.  J Speak for yourself. Such has been my frustration at times, that I've triedI to kick 'em in the head (right here) on numerous occasions. And sometimes K they've kicked back :-( I'll continue to do so as and when the need arises, L in a pointless and aspirational sort of a way. But I also consider myself toL be a reasonable/fair-minded bloke and as such I like to take the opportunityI to balance my tirades with roughly equal amounts of praise, gratitude and  awe.   Regards Richard Maher   K PS. I see IBM employees are planning to protest their cuts by wearing black 	 and blue.   J PPS. This is probably about ALL the sucking-up that I'm gonna do this year :-)   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3fdqvuF7ao66U1@individual.net... A > In article <d6s2a0$94b$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, 7 > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  > > Hi,  > > K > > Good to see you Sue. I was beginning to think that everyone from HP had  beenF > > locked in the Cone of Silence over the last week. (Either that, or they'dG > > finally got fed up with COV, took their bat and ball and went home)  > > H > > If these job cuts are going to happen (and it would seem likely that theyJ > > will) I just hope that VMS people don't start looking at the situation withD > > an objective eye. I'd imagine that the first round would offer a
 "generous"I > > redundancy package and if I was a VMS engineer of a certain age (that  theyL > > all must be by now :-) financially secure, with the kids almost off yourF > > hands, then you'd have to start thinking. "Do I keep working underK > > Democlese's sword while getting kicked in the head by COV people, or do  I  > E > No one here has ever kicked VMS Engineering in the head.  There has C > never been anything but the highest regard for them.  management,  > however is another thing.  > L > > open that Dive Shop in Florida?"  Thankfully you guys/gals will continue to3 > > make the wrong decision, and we love ya for it!  > >  > > Regards Richard Maher  > > I > > PS. What was so exciting last week that no one from HP was seen here?  (Not > > that they missed anything) > >  > >  >  > bill >  > --  L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 06:32:28 -0700( From: "jd" <jd.donovan@nielsenmedia.com>0 Subject: Check/Change OpenVMS password w/ ApacheC Message-ID: <1116855147.970165.285810@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   D Almost everything I run into is created for OSU HTTP server, but I'mF using Apache/2.0.47 (OpenVMS) mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.6g PHP/4.3.2.: I have incorporated the use of auth_openvms_module and theA AuthUserOpenVMS directive. This is great but it has certain short  comings.  G I'm interested in anything you can provide which will allow checking an E OpenVMS user account upon their attachment to the secured WEB page. I A have now problem coding an executable for this, but a template or  example of how would be nice.   A I would like to be able to provide the following functionalities: 4 1.) If password expired then prompt for new password+ 2.) If account is disusered disallow access ) 3.) If account is expired disallow access   1 I take it SWS does NOT come with this capability?  Thanks,  jd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 04:25:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users), Message-ID: <42919363.530144F6@teksavvy.com>  E I received a problem report from a user over dialup line who couldn't  download a 700k zip file.   > I tried via a flaky PPP connection and the download would fail7 consistently after about 200k (amount varies by +- 30k)     F the server is over a pesky PPPoE connection, but the pesky PPPoE stuff9 is handled by a Netgear 314 router (with Zyxel software).   A I tried setting the IPMTU of the VMS box to 1490 to alleviate any C potential packet fragmentation when packets flow through the router E (PPPoE has a max 1492 payload due to PPPoE overhead). But that didn't  change anything.  H If I come in through my lan, then I can downlaod the file no problem. SoC the web server itself (OSU 3.10a on VAX) seems perfectly capable of  serving the file.   C Does anyone have hints of what to look for, and how to debug this ?   H Since I don't have telephone contact with the user, it is pretty hard to9 setup proper testing and tracing of his download attempt.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 07:37:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: How to filter spam based on message content? 3 Message-ID: <9aQoi$6NXPVQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <428E5607.FE8F0DE9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:J >>    Yeah, right.  Except that the SMPT server is fully documented in theG >>    RFC and the MAIL$ routines are fully documentented in the Utility / >>    Routines Manual, and that's all you need.  > H > Wrong. In order to implement your own receiver process that ahs properJ > logging and more sophisticated spam filtering but which still interfacesI > to the TCPIP services symbiont/queue, you don't use the MAIL$ routines.   J    The earlier absolutely has no impact on the latter.  In the middle, if K    you want a symbiont and can't interface with the one UCX gives you, you      can write your own.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:51:20 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk9 Subject: Re: How to filter spam based on message content? ) Message-ID: <d6sn4o$i9t$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <428FAC60.1E6C5E13@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >"John E. Malmberg" wrote: > J >> If someone knows of a mail server with the ability to do custom contentC >> checks before the SMTP transaction is over that is available for J >> OpenVMS, either commercial or ported OpenSource, it would be useful for! >> them to post that information.  > G >It is called Postfix. It benefits from much community contributions to G >keep spam filters and logic up-to-date.  But because the VMS engineers H >have not documented the TCPIP$ routines to interface to the SMTP queuesF >directly, it is pointless to attempt a port of the receiver portion.  >   D I've not used Dec TCPIP's SMTP for ages (since I have PMDF) however I as I recall from when things went wrong with earlier versions of UCX you  O just submitted the control file to the Queue. I'd imagine the control file has  M a particular format for it's name and just contains the mail message and the   envelope header information.  N A little bit of investigation of the format should give you enough information: to construct and submit files to the queue via SYS$SNDJBC.  0 However why use Dec TCPIP's SMTP queues anyway ?< If your going to pinch part of Postfix why not take it all ?J PMDF and MX both have their own SMTP server which just relies on the TCPIPM stack for underlying TCPIP functionality they don't use the TCPWARE, MULTINET  or TCPIP SERVICES SMTP servers. K You can use the MAIL$ routines to deliver incoming mail into the user's VMS K mailbox and can use VMS Mail's foreign mail interface to send mail out via   your mail servers.  O You shouldn't need anything from HP to port Postfix (although how easy it would M be to port would depend upon what Unix assumptions it has built into the code , eg whether it is forking tons of processes).      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    G >VMS was succesful because of its complete documentation. Unfortunatly, F >in the case of SMTP, the lack of the documentation to the proprietary >interfaces is now a hindrance.  > D >Granted, I know the VMS engineers will respond that this would costE >money and that there is no business case etc etc. They might as well I >respond "well, there is no real business case to compinue to improve VMS C >since customers are all running legacy applications and not really " >willing to pay for new features".   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 07:51:48 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: LAT problems 3 Message-ID: <TH9gfdudL9Y9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1116702661.387892.51690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:  > Hello ; > I am beginning to get the following error messages on LAT 5 > %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executor ) > -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value  > When I start LAT I get this 5 > %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executor 1 > -LAT-F-NOMORESVCS, no more services in database I > It seems like the LAT service is bombing out when the lat$systartup.com  > comes to the line < > $ lcp set node nodename (where nodename is the name of the > node)/connections=both > 3 > The only thing I did was a reboot on a few nodes.   G    There was a syntax change in LATCP commands a few years back.  There F    was also a change in which port numbers you should not define.  NotG    altering your lat$systartup.com to match would cause these messages. 4    Quite possibly nobody ever bothered to fix yours.  F    I don't recall the changes we had to make, but I do note that I do G    not have "set node nodename" and "set node /connections" on the same     line.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 06:25:02 -0700( From: "jd" <jd.donovan@nielsenmedia.com> Subject: Re: LAT problems B Message-ID: <1116854702.313606.21350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F This sounds like an ECO for LAT we put on sometime back. Check with HPD support to make sure you have the latest patches. The BADPARAM couldG possibly be that an unknown service is being manipulated in some way by F LAT and the subsequent NOMORESVCS tells me it didn't find the service.A The former error translates to (paraphrasing here) "Informational G message relating to when a wildcard search of services database reaches  the last service" C I know we had something similar to this and the LAT patch fixed it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:48:20 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>L Subject: Re: Lexical function to set environmental variables of AlphaStation+ Message-ID: <3fejaiF7f7tvU1@individual.net>    Richard Brodie wrote:   c > "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:000301c55556$0fd76550$994614ac@wat153...  >  > 9 >>If you could me explain how I can set the environmental J >>variable DUMP_DEV with another DCL command, I would do it. I would to doH >>in case of reconfigure a running ES40 to a DOSD (Dump of System Disk).H >>You can change per AUTOGEN the DUMP disk and redirect the dump without	 >>reboot.  >  > > > Really? I thought dumpfiles were always mapped at boot time. >   F Yes, but the instructions for setting up DOSD (Dump Off System Disk), H include setting DUMP_DEV at the console. This would be very useful when H you want to reconfigure a cluster for DOSD without having to physically  visit every member (BTDT).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:15:16 +0100P* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>& Subject: Re: New Cluster Interconnects2 Message-ID: <d6safk$sat$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  P <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:877jhqepu0.fsf@prep.synonet.com...  B > Almost everyone I've talked to did not know that GBE over copper? > runs 4 120Mbaud lines and has to do a line turnaround, unlikem/ > fibre where it is a real full duplex circuit.-  C Who told you that? It's 4 125 Mbaud channels simultaneously in bothn directions.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:11:38 +0300e4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>M Subject: Re: Newbie Questio.. Getting a Virtual address space full and globall& Message-ID: <4291E49A.3A8D4FA5@hp.com>   bruce cooke wrote: > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message & > news:4290BA39.95A48C1@comcast.net... > > Wayne Sewell wrote:S > > >e2 > > > >Message-ID: <428FC1E4.8B9E07BE@comcast.net>, > > > >Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:19:00 -05009 > > > >From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>P, > > > >Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.netM > > > >Subject: Re: Newbie Questio.. Getting a Virtual address space full and  > globalH > > > >         page table full error.. How to  repair.? page table full
 > error.. HowUE > > > >         to  repair.? page table full error.. How to  repair.? 1 > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii & > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Lines: 58 > > >l > > > >Bruce Cooke wrote:  > > > >> > > > >> HipN > > > >> I have a Vaxstation 4000 60, vms 5.5 , 2 rz23l hard drives , and when > > >d > > > >>>> b/r5:1l > > > >a > > > >   2..1..0  > > > >u% > > > >SYSBOOT>  SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN". > > > >o% > > > >SYSBOOT>  SET WRITESYSPARAMS 04 > > >51 > > > Was WRITESYSPARAMS available that far back?/K > It seems to work in VMS_5.5  .WIll 7.3 work oa a vaxstaion with 2 120 meg 	 > rz23's? G Well the SPD (Software Product Description) document totals up to 147MBuG system disk - without DECwindows and "minimal functionality" - whatevereC that means. I suggest trying a 1GB or 2GB disk to start with if you F actually want to do anything after booting. You also (on a VAX) need aF *minimum* of 14MB memory. (and that only allows VMS installation. IIRC TCPIP requires 32MB.)   C Are you planning on doing an upgrade V5.5 -> V5.5-2 -> v6.x -> V7.1  ->V7.3 ?C I seem to recall that the upgrade to V5.5-2 had some special 'addednD attractions': Job manager changes etc...  If you can just do a freshF install of V7.3 on a new system disk (see the Upgrade and Installation' Manual. Its online on the OpenVMS site.i  
 Good luck!   Mike     >  > >  >  -- tE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.t? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*-F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------e -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----l Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:25:37 GMTw* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem42 Message-ID: <5Zjke.5873$Wp2.5148@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 "Ken Fairfield" <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote in messageh% news:d6lbkt$ara$1@news01.intel.com...A   >.D >      The upshot is: you must *always* use the at-sign to execute aD > command procedure at the DCL prompt.  That at-sign may be "hidden"/ > in a symbol definition, but it must be there.t >  >    $ define dcl$path []   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 05:22:35 -0700 From: brucedodds@comcast.net= Subject: Re: Newby question about date computations / IF-THENSC Message-ID: <1116850955.342586.276900@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Thanks, Z. That worked.0   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 00:04:09 -0700 From: roose_chua@yahoo.com Subject: Oracle8, ODBC and VMSC Message-ID: <1116831849.732227.169800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>t   Hi all,5  E We are currently investigating the possible impact on our AlphaServeri? DS20 (2GB memory, OpenVMS 7.1-2 and UCX 4.2 ECO2) when the ODBC0A connections are increased to the node. The server is using Oracles 8.0.5.  F What system parameters will definitely be affected on this and that weG need to watch out for? Definitely, this will also impact the memory andiC CPU usage on the node, but will there be a way to estimate how muchs effect will it have?  F I'm trying to understand this issue, but might as well ask around from/ experts like you to hasten up my understanding.0    Thanks in advance for your help!   Roosei   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:16:33 +02001& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3fdsc0F74h27U1@individual.net>p   Bill Gunshannon wrote:, > In article <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>,2 > 	David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > 0 >>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say: >>l >>>In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >>>C >>>C >>>>GreyCloud wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>leslie wrote: >>>>>  >>>>>m( >>>>>>John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:G >>>>>>: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtmld >>>>>>:h8 >>>>>>: Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You >>>>	 >>>>[...]  >>>> >>>>? >>>>>It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears  >>>>>to be true. >>>> >>>>I >>>>I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic : >>>>problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh! >>>> >>>  >>>S= >>>At the risk of exposing my age - The calculator generations >>>e
 >>>David WebbS >>@ >>How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use a
 >>slide rule?h >    :-)b  F Or logs? Back in my schooldays I had a chemistry teacher who insisted ; that we used log table instead of slide rules for accuracy.A  A > Not only know how, still use it once in a while. (Brought it in E > for show and tell one day last semester,)  And on top of everythingo) > else, the batteries never go dead.  :-)D > I I once tried doing a VAT return with the help of a solar calculator. The  I wretched thing repeatedly gave the same wrong answers when comparing the 0H totals of rows and columns - I threw it away and did the adding by hand.  C (this was back in the 1980s before we all had spreadsheet software)    ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2005 12:15:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3fdvruF6mv7tU1@individual.net>   + In article <3fdsc0F74h27U1@individual.net>,7) 	Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:e > Bill Gunshannon wrote:- >> In article <4283566D.3060906@bigpond.com>,i3 >> 	David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:o >>  1 >>>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk was overheard to say:e >>>Dm >>>>In article <1115861495.136533.56160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >>>> >>>> >>>>>GreyCloud wrote:0 >>>>>S >>>>>  >>>>>>leslie wrote:  >>>>>> >>>>>>) >>>>>>>John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote:BH >>>>>>>: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml >>>>>>>:9 >>>>>>>: Foreign Workers Coming to a Cruise Ship Near You  >>>>>e
 >>>>>[...] >>>>>B >>>>>-@ >>>>>>It looks like the claims of "dumbing down America" appears >>>>>>to be true.T >>>>>  >>>>> J >>>>>I've recently encountered people who can't do the simplest arithmetic; >>>>>problems in their heads: 12*105, 5*60, 600/30. Sheesh!z >>>>>  >>>> >>>>> >>>>At the risk of exposing my age - The calculator generation >>>> >>>>David Webb >>>fA >>>How about exposing your age by admitting you know how to use ab >>>slide rule? >> B >  >:-) > H > Or logs? Back in my schooldays I had a chemistry teacher who insisted = > that we used log table instead of slide rules for accuracy.r > B >> Not only know how, still use it once in a while. (Brought it inF >> for show and tell one day last semester,)  And on top of everything* >> else, the batteries never go dead.  :-) >>  K > I once tried doing a VAT return with the help of a solar calculator. The oK > wretched thing repeatedly gave the same wrong answers when comparing the  J > totals of rows and columns - I threw it away and did the adding by hand. > E > (this was back in the 1980s before we all had spreadsheet software)n  C I don't think most people realize how much of a chance for roundingcC errors there are in all these things.  A restauruant I frequent putCB in a Windows based, touch-screen order control system about a yearC ago.  At the end of your meal you get a slip printed by this systemDD which you take to a typical Sweda Cash Register.  They then punch inC the price of your meal and let the Sweda compute the tax.  There isiA frequently a difference of $.01 between the computer and the cash-A register.  They always accept what was ont he slip and ignore thes cash register,   bill   -- gJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   f   ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2005 17:09:36 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMSr+ Message-ID: <3feh2gF7b9vuU1@individual.net>d  2 In article <EZnke.5885$nB2.2267@news.cpqcorp.net>,6 	hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:. > In article <3f627eF6682kU1@individual.net>, , > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >  > ..G >>Many places don't use sofgtware that is not guaranteed by the vendor., > .. > M > In 30+ years dealing with software I have NEVER seen "guaranteed" software. 1 > "Best effort support" is about all you can get.t  @ I think most people here knew what I meant.  When it breaks some@ places insist on there being a body to call to resolve problems.   >  > ..F >>I agree with this.  We used to be an IBM shop (20 years ago) and allE >>if the applications to run the University were done in house.  Then,F >>they dropped IBM and went with VMS and Banner.  Now, with everythingF >>being done by canned packages the data center has twice the staff it >>used to.  Figure that one!!n >  > "Windows" vs. "mainfraim"?    2 Where does it say "Windows" up there?  I said VMS.  K >                             On argument is that software today does a lot K > more than it did 20 or so yers ago.  This is certainly true, but I cannot-G > help wondering if the added value justifies that added support staff.P  E And how many people do you need to call SCT on the phone and say, "IttF stopped working, fix it."  Actually, that's no the only canned packageC we have.  It seems the more canned packages the datacenter buys the.% more people it takes to support them.7   bill  n -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:59:16 GMTu3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)h- Subject: Re: Revisiting PeopleSoft on OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <EZnke.5885$nB2.2267@news.cpqcorp.net>  , In article <3f627eF6682kU1@individual.net>, * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   ..F >Many places don't use sofgtware that is not guaranteed by the vendor. ..  K In 30+ years dealing with software I have NEVER seen "guaranteed" software.h/ "Best effort support" is about all you can get.c   ..E >I agree with this.  We used to be an IBM shop (20 years ago) and all D >if the applications to run the University were done in house.  ThenE >they dropped IBM and went with VMS and Banner.  Now, with everythingcE >being done by canned packages the data center has twice the staff it^ >used to.  Figure that one!!  I "Windows" vs. "mainfraim"?  On argument is that software today does a lotnI more than it did 20 or so yers ago.  This is certainly true, but I cannoteE help wondering if the added value justifies that added support staff.l   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 05:55:04 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)mS Subject: Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100r3 Message-ID: <XUXFlcXn6A1J@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  d In article <42915E6B.3040500@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:) > The Eighth Doctor mentioned in passing:   B >> The one I have here isn't letting me install either 7.2 or 7.3.  > > When you say it isn't letting you install... What EXACTLY is> > it telling you.  Some complete error messages might get some" > accurate answers and assistance.  D I had just presumed a giant robotic arm emerged from the back of theF system and prevented him from touching the keyboard.  I have all sortsG of great suggestions centered around keyboard cable length, but perhapstI you are right and we should wait to hear the exact nature of the failure.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:21:24 -0400e' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>vS Subject: RE: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100 R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ED568@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: The Eighth Doctor [mailto:drwho8__NOTME__@att.net]=20c > Sent: May 22, 2005 11:57 PMy > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComiA > Subject: Still having problems installing a series 7 version=20i > of VMS on a VS3100 >=20 > Hello from the Eighth Doctor> > Does anyone recall the version number of the last working=20 > release of VMS that ran=20 > on the VS 3100 Model 76? >=20? > The one I have here isn't letting me install either 7.2 or=20:  > 7.3. Of course the original=20@ > owner suggested that there might have been some problems in=20 > the past. He originally=20< > netbooted it from a cluster of other VAXen, rather then=20" > actually install an OS on the=20 > local media. > --- ! > Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot nete >=20  B Check out the following for official OpenVMS version support info:6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/hw_supportchart.html   Regardsm  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanto HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax: 613-591-4477i kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:31:39 +0000g- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> S Subject: Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100s* Message-ID: <4291CD2B.5080704@bigpond.com>  % Larry Kilgallen was overheard to say:af > In article <42915E6B.3040500@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > ) >>The Eighth Doctor mentioned in passing:h >  > B >>>The one I have here isn't letting me install either 7.2 or 7.3. >  > > >>When you say it isn't letting you install... What EXACTLY is> >>it telling you.  Some complete error messages might get some" >>accurate answers and assistance. >  > F > I had just presumed a giant robotic arm emerged from the back of theH > system and prevented him from touching the keyboard.  I have all sortsI > of great suggestions centered around keyboard cable length, but perhaps K > you are right and we should wait to hear the exact nature of the failure.a >   @ I assumed that since it was "telling" him that he must have some9 DECtalk device connected... "STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD"    Regards, Dave.  -- <D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:22:03 -0700e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> S Subject: Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100a( Message-ID: <opsq8nu1wezgicya@hyrrokkin>  5 On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:45:40 GMT, The Eighth Doctor  =  <drwho8__NOTME__@att.net> wrote:  . > In article <429158A9.DB7AB81A@teksavvy.com>,& > jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com says... >> >> The Eighth Doctor wrote:t >>>d  >>> Hello from the Eighth DoctorJ >>> Does anyone recall the version number of the last working release of   >>> VMS that > rani >>> on the VS 3100 Model 76? >>J >> 7.3 is the last version of VMS procuded on VAX, and it should work on a
 > 3100-76. >>F >> What message is it telling you when you try to install it ? at what, >> stage of installation is it complaining ? >>& >> how big a system disk do you have ? >>F >> There are ways to install VMS on smaller disks "manually" to bypass/ >> system disk size checks and then not installm > Hello from the Eighth DoctorH > I am getting error messages such as a HLT command being seen. As for   > systemL > disk sizes, I have two. One for about 2 GB, I'm only using half of that,  
 > or will be.i$ > And the other one is about 550 GB. >hL > Next time I try, I'll capture the screen output from Kermit, and present  
 > it here. > ------! > Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot netm >   J Is the 2 GB the system disk?  If so read FAQ.  I have gotten away before   using<K a 2 GB disk on a 3100 M76. If you initialize the disk and keep it small and 6 putting logfiles etc. on data disk it will likely work   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:45:40 GMTi1 From: drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor)nY Subject: Re: Still having problems installing a series 7 version of VMS on a VS3100 VS310*H Message-ID: <UMnke.815816$w62.643717@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  - In article <429158A9.DB7AB81A@teksavvy.com>, -$ jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com says... >G >The Eighth Doctor wrote:( >> G >> Hello from the Eighth DoctordQ >> Does anyone recall the version number of the last working release of VMS that t ran< >> on the VS 3100 Model 76?. >iI >7.3 is the last version of VMS procuded on VAX, and it should work on a   3100-76. > D >What message is it telling you when you try to install it ? at what* >stage of installation is it complaining ? >e$ >how big a system disk do you have ? >iD >There are ways to install VMS on smaller disks "manually" to bypass- >system disk size checks and then not installi Hello from the Eighth DoctorL I am getting error messages such as a HLT command being seen. As for system U disk sizes, I have two. One for about 2 GB, I'm only using half of that, or will be. e" And the other one is about 550 GB.  Q Next time I try, I'll capture the screen output from Kermit, and present it here.t ------ Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:58:13 +0100  From: "Test" <test@freenet.de>
 Subject: Test > Message-ID: <DDAC168FB5C09749AD96D27804CA35D105FC8650@SETUBAL>   Its only test. Please klick on a link to test:s/ http://www.surf-tipps.info/fclick/fclick.php?03h   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:18:41 GMTt3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)o$ Subject: Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-22 Message-ID: <Rfoke.5886$nB2.4965@news.cpqcorp.net>  B In article <428fb81b$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at # (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: x >In article <d6ni24$vhv$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   ..I >>                                                          (It would be lC >>nice if PRODUCT INSTALL were supported within the restricted DCL 0 >>environment!)  >r3 >There are only two things to note when doing this:BC >1) You need /REMOTE for all PRODUCT commands (which means you haven@ >to define the PCSI$SYSDEVICE and PCSI$SPECIFIC logicals before)  E While some, possibly many products can be installed using the /REMOTE G qualifier, this is NOT true of all products.  The details of doing thishJ are more complex that you think.  The products such as DECnet, DECwindows,J TCP/IP services, etc., are tested by HP to ensure that they work correctlyA in this environment.  Other products are not tested and may fail.2  D The most common reason for such failure is the use of various SYS$* D logical names in the PCSI kit.  In the "restricted DDCL environment"D these logical names point to the optical media -- CD or DVD -- whichF is the "system disk" at this time.  The kit usually want them to pointD to the target system disk.  To do this, the kit must setup different0 logical names based on parsing PCSI$DESTINATION.  L Wanna have some _REAL_ fun?  Try a /REMOTE installation where PCSI$SYSDEVICEA and PCSI$DESTINATION are differen disks.  Don't call me for help! F I've never tried this and can't even imagine many of the problems that will certainly arise.a  G Oh, yes -- if your product has a EXECUTE TEST procedure (a.k.a. IVP -- iF installation verification procedure) it will almost ceretainly NOT runD in the "restricted DCL environment"; use the /NOTEST qualifier, then, run the IVP after booting the target system.  B FWIW, trying to use VMSINSTAL in the "restricted DDCL environment"A can be even more "fun".  (VMSINSTAL has not concept/functionality . that it at all analogous to PCSI's "/REMOTE".)   -- aJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 10:39:27 -0700 From: "R Boyd" <bob@hax.com>$ Subject: Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2B Message-ID: <1116869967.681230.39320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Peter,  F In answer to your question -- I have succesfully made a copy of the CD? for V7.3-2 to an SBB hard drive(which I can take from system toeC system).  I booted interactively, set the WLKSYSDSK parameter to 0. D Then I applied the PCSI patch kit and the latest UPDATE patch kit toG the disk. I also installed DFU and a couple of other utilities on it sorG that from the DCL command submode of the install session I can do quick  checks/repairs on drives.o  E After making the changes I changed the WLKSYSDSK parameter back to 1.eG Also,  I copied most of the other patch kits to a directory on the hard F drive so that I can easily apply remaining patches from the hard driveE right after the OS upgrade.  This includes any DECnet and TCPIP patchoB kits -- which I copy into the [KITS...] directory tree.  I put the- DECnet and TCPIP patches under something likewF [KITS.TCPIP_054_ECO04_KIT] and similar names -- this makes it possible> to access these kits from the option 3 menu without rebooting.  E I then used that drive to perform at least one successful upgrade.  I B will probably be using this disk for a few more updates.  The hardG drive upgrade time is significantly shorter than working from a CD.  It-E may not matter much when doing 1 system at a time, but sometimes I amnG faced with doing several systems in one day and keeping the interval as  short as possible matters.  C I haven't tried burning a CD of the upgraded upgrade disk, but thatoA might be interesting.  I just don't have much incentive since theVD upgrade speed would be slower from the CD.  It would be useful as anC archival copy of the disk used to apply the upgrades for me.  Maybes I'll do that now.e  G It would be worth an experiment to apply all the patches to the installw@ disk first and see what the result of an upgrade using that disk6 produces in terms of installed versions on the target.   Robert    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:F > In article <d6ni24$vhv$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:D > >Some related questions:  After the upgrade, I immediately applied all.; > >patches (the latest UPDATE and all patches not in that).s >T9 > I hope you started with the VMS732_PCSI patch, then the- VMS732_UPDATE, > then the rest... >0F > >                                                          (It would beC > >nice if PRODUCT INSTALL were supported within the restricted DCL9 > >environment!) >.4 > There are only two things to note when doing this:D > 1) You need /REMOTE for all PRODUCT commands (which means you haveA > to define the PCSI$SYSDEVICE and PCSI$SPECIFIC logicals before)rA > 2) You can't UNDO patches because pure V7.3-2 had a bug in PCSIsC > (which is fixed in VMS732_PCSI) and you probably don't find a VMSa 7.3-2o$ > installation CD with ECOs applied. >e? > btw: Has anyone tried/succeeded making an VMS installation CDaE > with cumulated ECOs ? (I always get VERIFY errors after burning thes CD...) >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:27:12 +0200c& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> Subject: Re: Valid IP Address + Message-ID: <3feeidF7bmh9U1@individual.net>r   Dr. Dweeb wrote:   > Richard Maher wrote: >  >>Hi,e >>C >>I know you wanted DCL but maybe some things should not be done ineF >>DCL. (Or as someone else suggested, maybe DCL should have a function >>built-in.) >>E >>Anyway, you probably know this already but for those who don't mindMD >>using a compiler, you may want to look at the INET_ADDR() functionD >>rather than reinventing the wheel. Never used it myself, but looks >>like it fits the bill. >> >>identification division. >>program-id.    inet_addr.0 >>data division. >>working-storage section.C >>01  ss$_normal                      pic s9(9)       comp    valuet >>external ss$_normal.C >>01  ss$_abort                       pic s9(9)       comp    valued >>external ss$_abort.l; >>01  sys_status                      pic s9(9)       comp.  >>*. >>01  in_addr_null.t/ >>   03  in_addr                     pic x(15).gB >>   03                              pic x(1)                value >>low-value.4 >>01  bin_addr                        pic 9(9) comp. >>procedure division.i >>00.l >>   call "lib$get_symbol". >>       using   by descriptor   "P1", in_addr% >>               by value        0, 0  >>       giving  sys_status.B >>   if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value
 >>sys_status.0 >>> >>   call "decc$inet_addr" using in_addr_null giving bin_addr.? >>   if bin_addr = -1 call "sys$exit" using by value ss$_abort.m >> >>   stop run. >> >>Regards Richard Maherv >>F >>PS. Looks like it might treat embeded spaces as a terminator as well
 >>as null? >> >  >  > Gee Richard, > L > I thought I was the only one left in the world who created system service # > call coding examples in COBOL :-)  >   $ That makes at least 3 of us then :-)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.286 ************************