1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 24 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 287       Contents:0 2862058  CD-R, DVD R, DVD CASES LOWEST PRICE! 283 Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel? ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ( Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP! Re: Dec RDB V6.1-14 under VMS 6.2 0 Re: How to filter spam based on message content? HP Interex Worldwide Survey  Re: HP Interex Worldwide Survey  Re: HP Interex Worldwide Survey 1 Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising . Re: Networking problem concerning a DEC TS 90L$ Re: Newbie with command file problem$ Re: Newbie with command file problem Re: Oracle8, ODBC and VMS + Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming / Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) ; The future of Enterprise computing ... for most enterprises  Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2  Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2  Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:23:58 -0700 , From: "mark deguire" <eeddadas@eeddadar.com>9 Subject: 2862058  CD-R, DVD R, DVD CASES LOWEST PRICE! 28 6 Message-ID: <1116912210.6638.29968@doris.uk.clara.net>  M      media4sale.com offers innovative and quality media, CD/DVD packaging and I      other computer accessories at the best prices. We pride ourselves in L      service, quality and commitment and are certain that our standards will      exceed expectations.       http://www.media4sale.comK      <a href="http://www.media4sale.com" target="_blank">Media4Sale.com</a>    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:17:26 -0700 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>< Subject: Re: Ann Livermore loves Opteron but perhaps not VMS0 Message-ID: <H-SdnXmgTtGopw_fRVn-pw@comcast.com>   Alan Greig wrote:    (snip)  H > Both Intel and AMD have announced that they will stop manufacturing 32C > bit only X86 chips soon. The cost difference between the cheapest E > X86-64 system and the cheapest X86-32 system is now less than $100.   0 Fry's now has Athlon64 and motherboard for $140.   -- glen    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:15:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?, Message-ID: <429239D1.55D705A6@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: G > NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--ThinkEquity Partners analyst Eric Ross said the K >   possibility of Apple Computers Inc. (AAPL) will begin using Intel Corp.  > (INTC) chips would be a  > significant boost for Apple.  G read: This investment firm has a large investment in Intel and wants to 1 boost Intel's fortunes by spreading such rumours.   G Consider the impact on the software portfolio of the MAC OS.  All of it F would need to be recompiled/repackaged, retested, and most likely findE compiler differences between the two platforms. Apple would also lose D out on some of the special Power features that give it a performance edge over the 8086.   @ When Jobs came back at Apple and finnally got Apple to go in oneF direction and stick with it to finally give birth to OS-X, the mentionG fo OS-X running on multiple platforms, including the 8086 was made many - times. But in the end, they stuck with Power.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:41:28 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05052313416b31acc6@mail.gmail.com>   : On 5/23/05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: I > > NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--ThinkEquity Partners analyst Eric Ross said the K > > possibility of Apple Computers Inc. (AAPL) will begin using Intel Corp. 8 > > (INTC) chips would be a significant boost for Apple. >=20I > Consider the impact on the software portfolio of the MAC OS.  All of it H > would need to be recompiled/repackaged, retested, and most likely findG > compiler differences between the two platforms. Apple would also lose F > out on some of the special Power features that give it a performance > edge over the 8086.   E Funnier than that- I've heard of rumors that they're not talking x86-  they're talking Itanium!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:51:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?, Message-ID: <42924266.A7EF2EB0@teksavvy.com>   DeanW wrote:G > Funnier than that- I've heard of rumors that they're not talking x86-  > they're talking Itanium!    B If Apple went to Itanium, it would be bad news for Intel. The onlyH reason a sane company would go IA64 is if Intel paid them to go IA64. So. that would make Intel's financials even worse.  G The faster IA64 is put out of its misery, the better. 2007 isn't coming  soon enough.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:01:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?, Message-ID: <429244BD.34828FCE@teksavvy.com>  3 Here is an interesting snippet from a CNET article:    ##C Most likely, the leak over the negotiations is a bargaining ploy by  Apple, Krewell said.    A "Apple is feeling ignored and feeling that IBM is paying too much C attention to the gaming guys," he said. "This is just a maneuver by A Apple to whack IBM. Do you know how you can tell that Apple isn't C serious? Has Apple sued the Wall Street Journal for releasing trade 
 secrets?"   ? Earlier this year, Apple sued a blog site for reporting product ) information before the product came out.   ##   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 17:09:44 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?3 Message-ID: <9FgK0Y0b0kCQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opsq8dlaxazgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > E > Following from DJ  It doesn't say, but I suspect this is the X86-64  > architecture > ? > DJ ThinkEquity: Intel Chips Would Be Good Fit For Apple >AAPL G > NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--ThinkEquity Partners analyst Eric Ross said the K >   possibility of Apple Computers Inc. (AAPL) will begin using Intel Corp.  > (INTC) chips would be a  > significant boost for Apple.  ` From: http://news.com.com/Apple+to+Intel+Some+advantage%2C+lots+of+risk/2100-1006_3-5716696.html  L > Most likely, the leak over the negotiations is a bargaining ploy by Apple, > Krewell said.   C > "Apple is feeling ignored and feeling that IBM is paying too much C > attention to the gaming guys," he said.  "This is just a maneuver F > by Apple to whack IBM. Do you know how you can tell that Apple isn'tF > serious?  Has Apple sued the Wall Street Journal for releasing trade > secrets?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:53:34 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restore+ Message-ID: <d6t5av$vp6$1@news01.intel.com>    Nazim wrote:D > sorry to disappoint you, last weekend i tried the beta versions of0 > zip30d and unzip60d with the following results > / > 1) the build of zip30d and unzip60d went fine 0 >     env. openVMS alpha 7.3-2 Compaq C V6.5-001 > A > 2) i zipped a 4,57 GB backup saveset with the following command  >   >     zip30 "-V" xxx.zip xxx.bck >  > 3) checksum xxx.bck ! >     sh symbol checksum$checksum & >     CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM = "3261050136" >  >     checksum xxx.zip! >     sh symbol checksum$checksum & >     CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM = "3431764876" [...]   ) You're missing a very critical step here:       3a) $ Rename xxx.bck xxx.sav         $ unzip xxx.zip        $ checksum xxx.bck   B At this point, what is the checksum for xxx.bck?  My guess is thatD the checksum won't match, i.e., that the backup saveset is _already_A corrupted because it was *not* zipped successfully (pity that zip   fails to inform you of that...).  A Unless you can verify that you can get back (from unzip) what you ? put in (with zip), all the transfers and zip tests in the world  are irrelavent.    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:23:40 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restore2 Message-ID: <05052315234063_2860027B@antinode.org>  , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>  + > You're missing a very critical step here:  > ! >    3a) $ Rename xxx.bck xxx.sav  >        $ unzip xxx.zip >        $ checksum xxx.bck  > D > At this point, what is the checksum for xxx.bck?  My guess is thatF > the checksum won't match, i.e., that the backup saveset is _already_C > corrupted because it was *not* zipped successfully (pity that zip " > fails to inform you of that...).  F    Yes, and it's worse than I had thought.  The newer code does detectF some hopeless conditions, but apparently some (like this one) still goE unnoticed.  This is a particularly unpleasant case, as UnZip (6 beta) E will, based upon the stored VMS file attributes, create a file of the H proper size, but the archive may not include all the data needed to fillF in the allocated space.  Thus, the result looks good from the outside,) but bad when you try to use its contents.   D    I'll see if I can find a convenient way to detect this problem inG Zip.  In the meanwhile, if Zip reports something like "(deflated 61%)", E but the original file size is 10156256 and the archive size is 685587 A (_you_ do the math), then there's some reason to wonder about the  integrity of _something_.   A    The victim in this case was (apparently) using the products of E small-file builds of [Un]Zip rather than those of large-file builds.  & I'm working directly with him on this.  C > Unless you can verify that you can get back (from unzip) what you A > put in (with zip), all the transfers and zip tests in the world  > are irrelavent.   &    Quite true.  (Unfortunate, though.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:45:49 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restore2 Message-ID: <05052320454974_2860027B@antinode.org>  , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>  C > > 2) i zipped a 4,57 GB backup saveset with the following command   , > [...] that the backup saveset is _already_C > corrupted because it was *not* zipped successfully (pity that zip " > fails to inform you of that...).  H    After a bit of investigation, I believe that the corrupt archive withE no warning for an input file size > 4GB has already been fixed in the * latest released Zip version (2.31 and up).  D    The same was not true of the still-unreleased Zip 3, but that oneE should have a similar fix by the time it is released.  It's the Emile $ Cou school of software development.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:58:00 -0400 $ From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail>1 Subject: Re: Big round of job cuts expected at HP , Message-ID: <42916241$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  $ Big round of job cuts expected at HPB "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message R news:8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE2F@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local... >-----Original Message----- 9 >From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]  : J >> and if I was a VMS engineer of a certain age (that they all must be by D >> now :-)  financially secure, with the kids almost off your hands,K > From what I have seen from (IIRC) Martin's photos, both Guy and Hein are   > young (relatively :-).  M Guy is indeed young and with VMS Engineering and visibly active at that. Me,  H I left VMS Engineering 10+ years ago. Still a good hobby and good folks K though. 27 years with Digitall... Compaq... HP. I am not too young looking  L at 50 next month, and I really should start worrying about possibly putting C 3 daughters through college in a short few years. Silver handcuffs.    Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:12:42 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> * Subject: Re: Dec RDB V6.1-14 under VMS 6.2B Message-ID: <_Oqke.5325$Lc1.3776@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>   NightspeedIT wrote: 	 > HELP!!!  > B > I am the technical support person for Nightspeed Services Ltd in
 > Tipton, UK.  > G > We have been using RDB V6.1-14 under VMS 6.2 for several years with a H > major hitch but suddenly, two days ago we started to get large numbers > of...  > 4 > %RDB-E-BAD_TRANS_HANDL, invalid transaction handle > G > ... errors. There have been no changes made to the system as far as I  > am aware.  > G > I have very scant knowledge of RDB internals and Oracle don't seem to I > interested in helping me (I know we don't have a support contract but I 5 > did offer to pay to speak to someone on the phone!)  > 6 > Is there anyone out there who might be able to help? >  > Thanks >  > Derek Cowdrey  > 	 Hi Derek,   E IIRC, this has something to do with Transaction Sequence Number (TSN) B exhaustion. But it's been many years since I had to work w/ Rdb. IH /think/ to recover (if this really is the problem) you have to do a full3 restore with some magic switch that resets the TSN.   H I'd start w/ RMU to dump the database header and see what's the next TSNG value. If that's really the issue, you might be able to restore your db F to a test site and run your app against it to see if that resolves the error.  E I'm sure you know that 6.1 is very old. Oracle will only provide best  effort support anyway.  4 Finally, have you posted this to comp.databases.rdb?   hth, jec    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:04:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: How to filter spam based on message content? , Message-ID: <42923764.FDC91324@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:K >    The earlier absolutely has no impact on the latter.  In the middle, if L >    you want a symbiont and can't interface with the one UCX gives you, you >    can write your own.    D The problem is that writing your own full featured SMTP receiver and; symbiont (sender for local and remote mail) is a big tasks.   G It would be nice to first port a full featured receiver and replace the F basic one that comes with TCPIP services without having to rewrite the whole SMTP stack.   F Alternatively, perhaps the TCPIP engineres should just open source theH SMTP software. If there is no "business case" to assign enough resourcesG to keep it up to date, then making it open sourced would at least allow B VMS customers to move the product at a faster speed than the TCPIP9 engineers can with their budget and staffing constraints.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:25:38 +1000  From: Phaeton <spam@spam.org> $ Subject: HP Interex Worldwide SurveyI Message-ID: <42928292$0$5610$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   4 Here is a chance to voice our opinions about OpenVMS  B http://www.hpcustomersurvey.com/advocacy/survey/05survey/index.php   The more people, the better...;                                             Cheers,   Csaba K   ------------------------------------------------------------------------- G    CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot au I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 22:07:47 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: HP Interex Worldwide Survey3 Message-ID: <5ZWaKRMIrjVC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <42928292$0$5610$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <spam@spam.org> writes: 6 > Here is a chance to voice our opinions about OpenVMS > D > http://www.hpcustomersurvey.com/advocacy/survey/05survey/index.php >   > The more people, the better...  @ They seem to be surveying only Microsoft users, since the second< page has no text using Netscape Navigator 4.75 on MacOS 9.1.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:35:32 -0400 - From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: HP Interex Worldwide Survey, Message-ID: <4292A0F4.728A0D19@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:B > They seem to be surveying only Microsoft users, since the second> > page has no text using Netscape Navigator 4.75 on MacOS 9.1.  7 No problems with netscape 4.8 with javascript disabled.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:44:37 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>: Subject: Re: Mac advertising vs. ideas for VMS advertising+ Message-ID: <3ff86jF7iiq5U1@individual.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:   <snip>  = > I merely wanted to know what you can do with a Mac GUI that ; > I can't with (let's make it simple and stick to one) KDE.   I With the caveat that I've only used KDE on Linux, I've found that the OS  H X GUI doesn't break on an upgrade, which has been a major advantage for  me :-)  D I certainly didn't find it as intuitive to pick up as the marketing H blurb would have had it, but there are useful things there; for example 7 the standard print dialogue allows you to print to PDF.   G Multinational keyboard layouts simply work and are dead easy to switch  E via a keyboard shortcut (achieveable with one hand), which as you'll  + appreciate is useful when living in Europe.   & For me it's a culmination of things...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:52:47 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Networking problem concerning a DEC TS 90L 2 Message-ID: <42925EBF.4050403@applied-synergy.com>   The Eighth Doctor wrote:M > In article <87u0kwawtc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com says...  > I >>Why not use the BNC port on the side with power pack? You don't HAVE to  >>have a 90/900 backplane. >  > Hello from the Eighth DoctorO > And how would I do that? My network is entirely 10BASE-T here. My only Linux  N > box doesn't use ISA slots, and worse, the targeted customer for my idea has W > actually refused to pay for the necessary retooling to enable COAX to be reinstalled.   G Check to see if one of your 10baseT hubs has a coax or AUI port on the   back.  Many of them do.   F If you find a coax connector, you should be able to hook it up with a @ pair of T's, a pair of 50ohm terminators, and a length of cable.  H If you don't find a coax connector, but you do find an AUI port, use an A AUI to coax transceiver and then the T's, terminators, and cable.   H Alternately, you can usually find a used/refurbished 10baseT hub with a E coax connector for less than a coax to 10baseT media converter.  The  G last time I needed to do this, I got a refurbished 16 port Netgear hub   for $20.  
 Good luck!   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:17:22 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem * Message-ID: <d6t6nm$o6$1@news01.intel.com>   FredK wrote:; > "Ken Fairfield" <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote in message ' > news:d6lbkt$ara$1@news01.intel.com...  >  > D >>     The upshot is: you must *always* use the at-sign to execute aD >>command procedure at the DCL prompt.  That at-sign may be "hidden"/ >>in a symbol definition, but it must be there.  >> >> >  >  > $ define dcl$path []  D Fred, I mentioned that in an earlier post.  In that post I mentionedB some of the anomalies, nee, surprises awaiting those using it (theB ambiguity between what gets executed, the command procedure or theB executable, etc.) and the need to carefully define DCL$PATH if you are going to use.   B In the post you are replying to, I specifically tried to leave outF the "odd corners" of DCL, including MCR and DCL foreign commands, etc.F Other responses hadn't really focussed on the way DCL parses commands.: Better to teach the basics first, then add the exceptions.  C BTW, personally, I think it a disservice to suggest this to someone 7 new to VMS.  Others will disagree, as it their right...   C Note: The OP seemed to have a pretty reasonable general programming E background in order to come up with the snippet of code he presented. B If the OP wishes to use DCL$PATH in the future, that's his choice,D but he still needs to understand the basic machinery of DCL in orderD to write command procedures that don't depend upon his definition of	 DCL$PATH.    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:51:10 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Newbie with command file problem + Message-ID: <4292969E.192615D7@comcast.net>    FredK wrote: > ; > "Ken Fairfield" <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote in message ' > news:d6lbkt$ara$1@news01.intel.com...  >  > > F > >      The upshot is: you must *always* use the at-sign to execute aF > > command procedure at the DCL prompt.  That at-sign may be "hidden"1 > > in a symbol definition, but it must be there.  > >  > >  >  > $ define dcl$path []  * See these slides for caveats re: DCL$PATH:5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclinter/sld010.htm 5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclinter/sld011.htm 5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclinter/sld012.htm    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 11:14:05 -0700 From: JimStrehlow@data911.com " Subject: Re: Oracle8, ODBC and VMSC Message-ID: <1116872044.986724.112600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    roose_chua@yahoo.com wrote: A ... AlphaServer DS20 (2GB memory, OpenVMS 7.1-2 and UCX 4.2 ECO2) ! ... server is using Oracle 8.0.5.   = Dusting off old notes for DS10, for AUTHORIZE we used to use: ? ADD ORACLE8 /UIC=[#,#] /DEVICE= DISKXXX /DIRECTORY= [ORACLE805]  /OWNER="Oracle DBA" - B  /MAXJOBS= 0 /MAXACCTJOBS= 0 /MAXDETACH= 0 /PRCLM= 12 /PRIORITY= 4
 /QUEPRIO= 0 - 6  /FILLM= 1000 /SHRFILLM= 0 /BIOLM= 1000 /DIOLM= 1000 -)  /ASTLM= 3000 /TQELM= 3000 /ENQLM= 4000 - ,  /BYTLM= 1500000 /PBYTLM= 0 /JTQUOTA= 8192 -3  /WSDEFAULT= 2048 /WSQUOTA= 4096 /WSEXTENT= 32768 -   /PGFLQUOTA= 1000000 -D  /PRIVILEGES=(    CMKRNL, IMPERSONATE, LOG_IO, NETMBX, OPER, PFNMAP,	 PRMGBL, - A                   PRMMBX, SYSGBL, SYSLCK, SYSNAM, SYSPRV, TMPMBX,  WORLD) -D  /DEFPRIVILEGES=( CMKRNL, IMPERSONATE, LOG_IO, NETMBX, OPER, PFNMAP,	 PRMGBL, - A                   PRMMBX, SYSGBL, SYSLCK, SYSNAM, SYSPRV, TMPMBX,  WORLD) -  /FLAGS= NODisUser -=  /PWDMINIMUM= 8 /PWDLIFETIME= 0 /NOPWDEXP /PASSWORD= XXXXXXXX     ADD   /IDENTIFIER  ORA_DBA &  GRANT /IDENTIFIER  ORA_DBA    ORACLE8    C I have a note that choosing all options for us for installing 8.0.5 E enterprise edition used  3,743,741 blocks for installation workspace.     F We used to carve out memory specifically for each Oracle instance such as:  $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSMAN.EXE ( RESERVED_MEMORY  REMOVE  ORA_SIDNAME_SGAB RESERVED_MEMORY  ADD     ORA_SIDNAME_SGA  /ALLOCATE /PAGE /SIZE=90 /ZERO   
 $ SHOW MEMORY  ... @ Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use TypeF   ORA_SIDNAME_SGA                 SYSGBL          12          12  Page Table @   ORA_SIDNAME_SGA                 SYSGBL       11520       10839	 Allocated @   Total (90.09 Mbytes reserved)                11532       10851  ( with INIT_SIDNAME.ORA parameters such as db_block_buffers =      8000 large_pool_size  =   9000000 shared_pool_size =  31457280  4 Jim Strehlow, Data911 Systems Manager and Oracle DBA Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:02:17 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>4 Subject: Re: OT: Only slightly off-shore programming+ Message-ID: <3fek4mF7dc7oU1@individual.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  + > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >  > B >>Defined contribution is a much better idea.  Once committed, theF >>money is yours, and is not dependant upon the employer.  Much betterD >>if you change jobs also.  I guess one argument for defined benefit? >>is employee retention, but the other side of that is employer  >>retention. >  > D > The name `Maxwell' ring a faint bell? As in bob, bob, Bod Maxwell,0 > late of the Mercury(?) pension fund and paper? >    You can read about that at:   . http://visar.csustan.edu/aaba/auditmaxwell.htm  F But another problem is that during the boom times many companies were % taking pension contribution holidays.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:37:34 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 8 Subject: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)? Message-ID: <d6tbdt$p69$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,    > PCSI           Still Champion   K What a load of bollocks!  To this day, when it comes to PCSI, I still can't F get a straight answer to the question WHY??? (Apart from a "Busy-Work"K job-creation scheme for a bunch of wasters in VMS engineering, with nothing L to do and all day to do it in.) I mean what the f*ck is it all about? No, goI on; please trot out the list of customers who said "I demand you stop all L work on other VMS functionality until we have something like PCSI!". And howK much it cost to develop? And how much did it cost other layered products to G change their install procedures just to feed the PCSI ego in an attempt H justify its price tag? And, what's more, who uses it? How many "Non-DEC"J software products are installed this way? Yes Ladies and Gentlemen, it wasJ this very arrogance from VMS engineering that was hammering nails into the coffin.   @ "But you stupid plebs don't understand how utterly repellent theK 'procedural' nature of VMSINSTAL is!". Not since the "We MUST separate Form D and Function!" crusade has the down-trodden user base witnessed such. evangelical zeal from a bunch of navel gazers.  L So by all means please pin your colours to the PCSI/DECForms mast so that we8 can use it as a "Know them by their fruits" litmus test.   Regards Richard Maher   J PS. I can remember a quote from a DECUS in Perth circa '86? "DECForms will< 'supplant' FMS and TDMS.". Where do these wankers come from?  I PPS. I can also remember once doing a PRODUCT REMOVE on DECnet/OSI to try H and free up some memory on my VAXstation.  It was great trying to reboot after that :-(  ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OFCC1DD5F8.1D73405A-ON85257008.0075E4FD-85257008.00768EDD@metso.com...     I David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote on 05/20/2005 10:43:20  PM:    > John Vottero wrote:  > > - > > <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message  > > K news:OF5A7D1D55.32520B91-ON85257007.00538088-85257007.00536481@metso.com...  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > / > > > By the way - Score:  VMSINSTAL 1, PCSI 0.  > > > J > > > If this had been a PCSI kit, fixing it would have been doable, but a > > > narrower group > > > would have known how.  > > >  > > I > > I'm no PCSI expert but, I don't think you could build a PCSI kit that  tried I > > to install a file that wasn't in the kit so maybe the score should be  > > VMSINSTAL 0, PCSI 1? >    Is that a fact?  If it is, the score would be   VMSINTALL      1 Kit Developer  DNF PCSI           Still Champion    > I'd say more like: > 
 > PCSI      1  > Kit Developer    0 >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:01:47 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com< Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)Q Message-ID: <OF63FD2BE4.C2183B9D-ON8525700A.006DBD88-8525700A.006E140F@metso.com>    Richard,  K Please, do not hold back.  Just say what you think.  Get it all out.  8-) .   < Then remember the serenety prayer, and go back some activity$ from which you can actually benefit.   I know I have.   -Norm    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:23:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation), Message-ID: <42923BCA.9A15081C@teksavvy.com>   Richard Maher wrote:M > What a load of bollocks!  To this day, when it comes to PCSI, I still can't H > get a straight answer to the question WHY??? (Apart from a "Busy-Work"   I tend to agree.  With you.   E The benefit of PCSI, the product database to see what version of what A has been installed could very easily have been implemented within , VMSinstal to provide the same functionality.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:11:41 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>< Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)2 Message-ID: <1Oqke.5893$GL2.5024@news.cpqcorp.net>  > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message9 news:d6tbdt$p69$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...  > Hi,  > ! > > PCSI           Still Champion  > G > What a load of bollocks!  To this day, when it comes to PCSI, I still  can't H > get a straight answer to the question WHY??? (Apart from a "Busy-Work"E > job-creation scheme for a bunch of wasters in VMS engineering, with  nothing K > to do and all day to do it in.) I mean what the f*ck is it all about? No,  goK > on; please trot out the list of customers who said "I demand you stop all F > work on other VMS functionality until we have something like PCSI!".  = While I'm not sure PCSI has lived up to its potential, or the ; original vision - it certainly had demand both internal and 	 external.   8 I've been involved in creating and maintaining VMSINSTAL kits as well as PCSI kits.  > Frankly, while PCSI kits are easier to create - that isn't the6 reason for them.  It provides a common and uniform way7 of installing products, upgrading products and patching : products in a coherent way.  In fact, in a way that things4 can be removed.  You can create compressed kits in a: standard way as well.  The PCSI reference kit model allows7 the VMS installation CD to be bootable *and* a PCSI kit  without duplicating files.   VMINSTAL was just to ad-hoc.  7 Today, one of the first things I ask when someone sends ) me a bug report is a PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:58:18 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>< Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)2 Message-ID: <eetke.5909$US2.5420@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:42923BCA.9A15081C@teksavvy.com... > Richard Maher wrote:I > > What a load of bollocks!  To this day, when it comes to PCSI, I still  can't J > > get a straight answer to the question WHY??? (Apart from a "Busy-Work" >  > I tend to agree.  With you.  > G > The benefit of PCSI, the product database to see what version of whatnC > has been installed could very easily have been implemented withine. > VMSinstal to provide the same functionality.  B VMSINSTAL was a old, and crude tool.  The variety of hacks done byD people creating kits boggles the mind.  Nor did it stand a chance at@ being able to deal with dependencies, product removals, or patch
 rollbacks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:45:06 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> D Subject: The future of Enterprise computing ... for most enterprises, Message-ID: <xrmdnXdacom55A_fRVn-pg@igs.net>    In the article JF cites it says,  L ""We expect that Hurd will likely articulate his detailed plan for improvingI HP sometime over the next two months, and we do expect material workforcemI reductions--likely numbering 5 percent to 10 percent of the workforce, orrJ 7,500 to 15,000 people," Sanford C. Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi saidL in a report. He estimated that doing so could increase annual earnings by 20 cents to 40 cents per share.  L Merrill Lynch analyst Steve Milunovich predicted job cuts would be announcedK by August; he projected an earnings boost of 21 cents to 42 cents per share E for a hypothetical reduction of 5 percent to 10 percent of employees.d  7 HP declined to comment Friday on possible layoff plans.-  K Massive job cuts have been more the rule than the exception in recent yearsmJ at the Palo Alto, Calif.-based company. HP laid off thousands of employeesJ under the plan by previous CEO Carly Fiorina to merge with Compaq Computer@ in an attempt to compete better against top rivals IBM and Dell.  K Competitors have taken a similar approach. IBM announced a cut of 10,000 toiL 13,000 employees in its services division, and Sun Microsystems has laid off thousands in recent years.  L  HP is in the middle of more job cuts in divisions for imaging and printing,H servers and storage, and services. Not all cuts have been in the form ofK pink slips, though: 1,900 employees took advantage of a voluntary severanceg+ plan in the imaging and printing division."o    G More and more of the industry is heading down the commoditization routecL where cost is king. This will inevitably lead to more companies like Red HatI supplying services for 'free' Linux on commodity hardware. Even Microsoft J won't be immune from large-scale defections, but they are still big enough+ that it won't really hurt them for a while.   H Operating systems like VMS and MVS, Solaris, and others will fall by theL wayside as their owners find it too costly to develop, sell and compete withL 'free' operating system on cheap hardware from Tiawan and China that's 'goodG enough' for 95% of the Fortune 5000 corporate market. Of course the SMBuK market will be running Microsoft Windows-we've-got-you-by-the-Balls becauseIJ Microsoft knows how to get ISV's engaged in their products via low/no-costD incentives and Microsoft's relentless value-proposition advertising.  L In the end, the customers will have forced an end-game because they know theK cost of everything and the value of nothing. Of course by then bandwidth to I India will be virtually free and they'll get all their Linux support fromo+ Red Turban Inc. of  Bangalore and Amritsar.          JF Mezei wrote:u >nL http://news.com.com/Analysts+expect+massive+HP+layoffs/2100-7341_3-5715548.h tml?tag=nefd.top >a2 > 7,500 to 15,000 job cuts expect by August at HP. >iF > Doesn't augur well for VMS engineering which need bigger budgets andG > manpower to start working to improve VMS at the same time as they arei" > expected to port it to the 8086. >wG > If the start layhing off the people who have experience with the port G > to that IA64 thing, they will lose people who would be most efficient  > for the port to the 8086.0   --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.c   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 13:44:59 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s$ Subject: Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-23 Message-ID: <BMmAeN5g+wrf@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  h In article <Rfoke.5886$nB2.4965@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:  C >                          (VMSINSTAL has not concept/functionalityl0 > that it at all analogous to PCSI's "/REMOTE".)   Oh ?  D What is wrong with OPTIONS R (that is not also wrong with /REMOTE) ?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2005 12:24:18 -0700 From: "R Boyd" <bob@hax.com>$ Subject: Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2B Message-ID: <1116876258.492014.41960@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Charlie,  F Not to worry -- I tried it as an experiment -- I'm upgrading all of my@ production systems by applying the upgrade, and then installing:   * PCSI patch kit * DECnet patches * TCP/IP patches$ * the latest VMSxxx_UPDATE patch kit * Remaining VMSxxx_yyy kitsA  @ I have had some success installing patches while booted from theC upgrade media where the PCSI patch has already been applied (to the C upgrade media).  All went pretty well with that in the 2 or 3 testspC I've done with 1 exception.   One of the patch kits left the system ; version set to something other than V7.3-2 and I had to use1G SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSVER to make the correction.    Other people haveA  reported the same problem -- seeE http://www.all-usenet-archive.com/File.asp?service=13330.  It appears F likely that the offending patch kit is VMS732_UPDATE V5.  Using SYSVERE to clean up after this is not particularly difficult -- once you find F the hints for using it in the OpenVMS FAQ anyway.  From one test I didG it looks like the problem would occur no matter what V7.3-2 disk you'reo@ booted from as long as you're doing the install with the /REMOTE option.o  D The most straightforward way of setting things up to install patchesC while booted from the upgrade media is to build some subdirectoriesmF under [KITS].  Then you can access the patches from the menu option 3.; That way you don't have to hand crank the setup for PRODUCTu) INSTALL/REMOTE under the DCL menu option.    Robert   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:03:41 GMT,3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)n$ Subject: Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-22 Message-ID: <xGqke.5891$rK2.2384@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <BMmAeN5g+wrf@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ai >In article <Rfoke.5886$nB2.4965@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:  >TD >>                          (VMSINSTAL has not concept/functionality1 >> that it at all analogous to PCSI's "/REMOTE".)f >s >Oh ?1 >_E >What is wrong with OPTIONS R (that is not also wrong with /REMOTE) ?r  D VMSINSTAL's option R claims to install to an "alternate root" and myD doc says it does not support installing from a "common system disk".E If you know what that means, please speak up; I don't.  However, I'm oF pretty sure it has to do with what PCSI calls "destination", not with 7 the target system disk, which is what /REMOTE controls.   G I have no idea if "option R" does anything usefull.  On the other hand,rK I know that /REMOTE is used for _every_ OpenVMS Alpha and I64 installation.s   -- dJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.287 ************************