1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 25 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 289       Contents: Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Apple to use Intel?  Re: Byte Range Locking  (Bless)  Re: Byte Range Locking  (Bless)  Re: Byte Range Locking  (Bless) 5 Re: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users) 5 Re: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users) 5 Re: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users) 0 Re: How to filter spam based on message content?0 HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printerC Re: Lexical function to set environmental variables of AlphaStation $ OpenVMS Advanced Technical boot camp) OpenVMS/Integrity servers TCO still tops! - Re: OpenVMS/Integrity servers TCO still tops! - Re: OpenVMS/Integrity servers TCO still tops! $ SETI@home v. ANALYZE /DISK_STRUCTURE( Re: SETI@home v. ANALYZE /DISK_STRUCTURE? Re: The future of Enterprise computing ... for most enterprises ? Re: The future of Enterprise computing ... for most enterprises 
 TK50 tapes  Re: Where is the tftp directory?  Re: Where is the tftp directory?3 Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?  Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.5  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:52:40 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?, Message-ID: <tqmdnSEuB5yR5Q7fRVn-oA@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:7 > In article <opsq8dlaxazgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"  > <tom@kednos.com> writes: >>F >> Following from DJ  It doesn't say, but I suspect this is the X86-64 >> architecture  >>@ >> DJ ThinkEquity: Intel Chips Would Be Good Fit For Apple >AAPLH >> NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--ThinkEquity Partners analyst Eric Ross said theF >>   possibility of Apple Computers Inc. (AAPL) will begin using Intel  >> Corp. (INTC) chips would be a >> significant boost for Apple. H >> "For Apple it gives them more price competitiveness," Ross said, in aF >> CNBC interview Monday. It's "not only the processor...it's also the. >> price of all the other chips that go aroundE >> it, so the whole economy of scale in the PC channel is better than  >> the Apple >>   channel." > @ >    Sure, all they have to do is overcome decades of big endian >    heritage and port to x86. > 6 >    Or they can keep there heritage and port to IA64. > E >    Neither of which gives them anything they want and don't already 
 >    have.    I Judging from historical precedent, there is nothing standing in their way : from "burning their boats behinds them" and venturing into$ Intel-land......except common sense.   --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 14:10:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?3 Message-ID: <j91ZIxzkAvEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3fglubF7qd3aU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > A > Actually, I think they did this already and called it "Darwin".   G    Darwin is not Mac OS.  It's the mach based BSD kernel that Mac OS X  G    uses.  Darwin runs on both PPC and Pentium.  Having a mach based BSD :    kernel run on multiple processors isn't exactly a major    accomplishment these days.   G    The rest of Mac OS X:  the GUI, the tools; and the applications that !    ship with it, run only on PPC.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2005 19:42:35 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?+ Message-ID: <3fhedbF7sc0sU2@individual.net>   3 In article <j91ZIxzkAvEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <3fglubF7qd3aU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  B >> Actually, I think they did this already and called it "Darwin". > I >    Darwin is not Mac OS.  It's the mach based BSD kernel that Mac OS X  I >    uses.  Darwin runs on both PPC and Pentium.  Having a mach based BSD  >    kernel   @ BSD kernels are not Mach based.  OS X runs a Mach kernel and BSD (and GNU) utilities.  < >           run on multiple processors isn't exactly a major >    accomplishment these days.  > I >    The rest of Mac OS X:  the GUI, the tools; and the applications that # >    ship with it, run only on PPC.    C I hate to break it to you, but "The tools and applications" are the D FreeBSD Userland.  They run on pretty much any architecture that youD choose to compile them on. The only part that is still unique to Mac is the GUI.   C    "Beneath the easy-to-use interface and rich graphics of Mac OS X D     lies Darwin, an open source, UNIX-based foundation built on such&     technologies as mach and FreeBSD."F     From: http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/advancedtechnology.html   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 17:20:34 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?3 Message-ID: <w6vPuqTbeSev@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3fhedbF7sc0sU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <j91ZIxzkAvEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y >> In article <3fglubF7qd3aU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>> C >>> Actually, I think they did this already and called it "Darwin".  >>  J >>    Darwin is not Mac OS.  It's the mach based BSD kernel that Mac OS X J >>    uses.  Darwin runs on both PPC and Pentium.  Having a mach based BSD
 >>    kernel   > B > BSD kernels are not Mach based.  OS X runs a Mach kernel and BSD > (and GNU) utilities. > = >>           run on multiple processors isn't exactly a major   >>    accomplishment these days. >>  J >>    The rest of Mac OS X:  the GUI, the tools; and the applications that$ >>    ship with it, run only on PPC. >   E > I hate to break it to you, but "The tools and applications" are the  > FreeBSD Userland.   B Perhaps those "that ship with it", but third party applications is something else.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:23:37 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>  Subject: Re: Apple to use Intel?( Message-ID: <4293EFB9.69E25273@mist.com>   John Smith wrote:  >  > Bob Koehler wrote:9 > > In article <opsq8dlaxazgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"  > > <tom@kednos.com> writes: > >>H > >> Following from DJ  It doesn't say, but I suspect this is the X86-64 > >> architecture  > >>B > >> DJ ThinkEquity: Intel Chips Would Be Good Fit For Apple >AAPLJ > >> NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--ThinkEquity Partners analyst Eric Ross said theH > >>   possibility of Apple Computers Inc. (AAPL) will begin using Intel" > >> Corp. (INTC) chips would be a! > >> significant boost for Apple. J > >> "For Apple it gives them more price competitiveness," Ross said, in aH > >> CNBC interview Monday. It's "not only the processor...it's also the0 > >> price of all the other chips that go aroundG > >> it, so the whole economy of scale in the PC channel is better than  > >> the Apple > >>   channel." > > B > >    Sure, all they have to do is overcome decades of big endian  > >    heritage and port to x86. > > 8 > >    Or they can keep there heritage and port to IA64. > > G > >    Neither of which gives them anything they want and don't already  > >    have. > K > Judging from historical precedent, there is nothing standing in their way < > from "burning their boats behinds them" and venturing into& > Intel-land......except common sense. >   6 That's what happened to Commodore... venturing into an) over-crowded MSDOS market that sunk them.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 13:44:14 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) ( Subject: Re: Byte Range Locking  (Bless)- Message-ID: <BjRqOjrD9mym@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   * Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:   J > But given that 5+ years seem to have seen little progress in developing J > a new file system for VMS *from an implementation which already existed G > and only needed massaging to finish up*, I wouldn't hold your breath.   I It is possible that your definition of "only needed massaging" is at odds K with common use, but it is not a trivial task to turn the code given to VMS $ Engineering into production quality.   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:08:20 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Byte Range Locking  (Bless)= Message-ID: <y-idnW6-Zt8rFA7fRVn-hQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    Rob Brooks wrote: , > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >    > J >>But given that 5+ years seem to have seen little progress in developing J >>a new file system for VMS *from an implementation which already existed G >>and only needed massaging to finish up*, I wouldn't hold your breath.  >  > K > It is possible that your definition of "only needed massaging" is at odds  > with common use,  F Anything may be 'possible', but in this case that 'possibility' seems  rather low.   <   but it is not a trivial task to turn the code given to VMS& > Engineering into production quality.  H Given that the code was, IIRC, originally developed *for* VMS by DECpaq E personnel (in Scotland, I think), that generalization seems somewhat  C less applicable in this particular case than it might otherwise be.   E Then again, since 5+ years is plenty of time to develop, verify, and  H release a new file system even when starting from scratch, I'm not sure G that quibbling over just how much 'massaging' might have been required  I quite addresses the larger issue (the appearance that VMS development is   largely moribund).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 17:23:03 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: Byte Range Locking  (Bless)3 Message-ID: <+YGnQnZ6q07G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <d6veud$eb2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   K > That said, can anyone confirm or deny that the only reason the Lock Value N > Block was extended was to support UNIX satanic rituals on VMS? (Specifically > "Byte Range Locking")   G That seems unlikely since byte range locking has been used by Pathworks 
 for years.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:39:29 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>> Subject: Re: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users)+ Message-ID: <4293D751.51A82181@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Just for posterity...  > D > The problem I had was with the OSU web server configuration. I hadJ > defined, in the configuration file, a time limit of 2 minutes to respond) > to HTTP requests. (timelimit response).  > F > Nobody had complained before, most likely because nobody with dialup; > line had tried to download something bigger than a few K.  > ( > I set the limit to 30 minutes for now. > J > Should web servers have a time limit to respond to requests ? If so, how > long should it be ?   E Apparently, the server cannot detect that the response not only came, F but is still in process and that the response timer is now irrelevant.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2005 04:45:55 GMT. From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)> Subject: Re: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users): Message-ID: <d70vu3$l2g$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  + In message <4293D751.51A82181@comcast.net>, 6   David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Just for posterity... >>E >> The problem I had was with the OSU web server configuration. I had K >> defined, in the configuration file, a time limit of 2 minutes to respond * >> to HTTP requests. (timelimit response). >>K >> Should web servers have a time limit to respond to requests ? If so, how  >> long should it be ? > F >Apparently, the server cannot detect that the response not only came,G >but is still in process and that the response timer is now irrelevant.   N The timeout is on the basis of whether the response has completed, not whetherN it has begun (on the time scale being used, there is not much variation it howD long it takes the server to open a file and start sending the data).L The default configuration for the server is a 2 minute request timeout and aI 1 hour response timeout.  Within the response time window, scripts have a B separate set of timeouts for the different stages they go through.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:59:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: Debugging web server problems (serving PPP users), Message-ID: <42940637.F9B4C03D@teksavvy.com>   David Jones wrote:N > The default configuration for the server is a 2 minute request timeout and aK > 1 hour response timeout.  Within the response time window, scripts have a D > separate set of timeouts for the different stages they go through.   Many thanks Mr Jones.   H Does the timeout of 1 hour mean that if a connection is broken, it couldH take up to an hour (worse case scenario) for the webserver to close downE the link and deallocate whatever resources were specific to this HTTP 	 request ?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 14:17:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: How to filter spam based on message content? 3 Message-ID: <bW7bED6s5nWP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <oeFMUuBv7xCZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: s > In article <v$GOf4wgclSI@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > K >>> It would be nice to first port a full featured receiver and replace the J >>> basic one that comes with TCPIP services without having to rewrite the >>> whole SMTP stack.  >>  B >>    Yeah, and I'm still waiting for them to publish a driver-ACPI >>    interface so that I can write drivers for my hardware that talks to I >>    Files-11 ACPs or write ACPs for other file systems that talk to VMS  >>    supplied drivers.  > = > So you want a specification of the Files-11 ACP interfaces.  > 0 > But other ACPs will have different interfaces.  D    That's the whole point of speciying the interface.  I don't thinkG    VMS engineering goes out and rewrites their ACPs (or XQP) every time E    they introduce a new disk driver.  I don't think they went out and @    wrote all new disk drivers from scratch when they added ODS-5    (modified, probably).  G > The cheapest way to do this, all around, is for you to buy the source J > listings kit.  That way they preserve their ability to make incompatibleB > changes in the interface (addressing larger disks, for example).  G    I suspect the changes needed to address larger disks would boil down I    to things that can be captured in structure or routine versions, much  L    as the CRTL deals with 32 bit vs. 64 bit pointers by having x64 function H    names and RMS captures ODS-2 vs. extended file specs in NAM vs. NAML.  4    But we agree on the size of the potential market.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:24:42 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> 9 Subject: HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter 4 Message-ID: <42940c1b$0$11800$626a14ce@news.free.fr>    From The Windows Observer  0 HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter2 http://www.itjungle.com/two/two052505-story04.html   by Timothy Prickett Morgan  I Hewlett-Packard's new president and CEO, Mark Hurd, got his first try in  H the HP hot seat last week as the company reported its financial results I for the second fiscal quarter ended April 30. And while Hurd cannot take  I much credit for the numbers that HP turned in, he can at least breathe a  G little more easily than if HP had turned in much worse numbers. All in  H all, considering IBM's recent Wall Street miss, HP did okay in its most  similar quarter.  H Sales in the second quarter were up 7 percent to $21.6 billion, and net G earnings climbed 13 percent to $966 million. Earnings per share in the  I quarter came to 33 cents per share, up 14 percent. And Hurd was muted in  I discussing the numbers, as you might expect him to be, since every CEO's  H job is about as secure as the numbers in any given 13-week quarter. "HP @ had a solid quarter," Hurd said in a statement accompanying the I financial results. "We grew revenue 7%, non-GAAP earnings per share rose  ? 9% and we generated $2.4 billion in cash flow from operations.  E Nevertheless, our overall performance leaves room for improvement in  D many of our businesses. We expect to provide details as soon as our = plans are finalized that will move us toward that objective."   H If you were expecting any revelations on what Hurd will and will not do F with HP, it seems that he and his team are still mulling the options. H But the consensus on the rumor mill is that HP is not inclined to break E itself up--any more than IBM was when it was on the rocks and firing  I tens of thousands of people in great swaths in the early 1990s--and that  F Hurd is probably going to do exactly what IBM's venerable ex-chairman ? and CEO, Louis Gerstner, did: keep his mouth shut and focus on  I execution. When Hurd has something to say--like maybe several years from  I now--he'll say it. Just like Gerstner eventually came out of the shadows  H of IBM Armonk and Somers and started talking as IBM as much as for IBM. H There is also a lot of talk about whether or not HP will write down all G or some of the Compaq acquisition on its books, thereby admitting that  E the Compaq deal was not worth what HP paid for. Such a move would be  F folly, since HP has no intention of undoing the Compaq merger, and it H would only invite HP shareholders to launch into a massive class action > lawsuit along with the Hewlett and Packard families and their E foundations. And what would they get out of this? They would hurt HP  C further and bash down its stock price even further. Then, when you  G consider that it is possible (but not inevitable) that HP can generate  F roughly the same sales as Big Blue and, in theory, can deliver almost G the same profits if it gets its businesses in order, such an admission  H of a mistake as that write down would embody seems unlikely. Don't hold  your breath on that write down.   D On a product category basis, the crown jewel of HP, its Imaging and G Printing Group had sales of $6.4 billion in the quarter, up 5 percent,  G but operating profits took a hit, with coming in at $814 million, down  F 14 percent (including $71 million in layoff costs in the quarter). HP E has cut prices on its printers and other imaging products to jack up  G unit volumes, which has also impacted profitability. Unit shipments of  B color laser printers were up 96 percent and multifunction printer  shipments were up 61 percent.   G The problematic Enterprise Storage and Servers group had sales of $4.2  H billion, up 6 percent. Sales of so-called Industry Standard Servers--by F which HP means X86 and X64 tower, rack, and blade servers--were up 12 D percent in the quarter. Blade servers grew 56 percent, according to F Hurd. Somewhat surprisingly, the Business Critical Server unit, which A sells Itanium and other enterprise-class servers, had sales up 2  G percent. Inside the BCS unit, sales of Itanium-based Integrity servers  F (which support HP-UX, Windows, Linux, and OpenVMS) were up 37 percent B (and accounted for 21 percent of total BCS sales). Sales of HP-UX G servers based on the PA-RISC processors were up 9 percent, which was a  H bit of a surprise and which further suggests that HP may be enjoying an D upgrade cycle for its HP 9000 base, which peaked during the dot-com H bubble just like rival Sun Microsystems' own base did at the same time. G Storage sales were down 6 percent in the quarter, and continue to be a  E sore spot. "We have a lot of work to do to get this business back on  H track," Hurd admitted, saying that HP is building out its storage sales I force and has just revamped its storage product line this week to try to  C get some traction in the market. "We are aware of what needs to be  G done," he added. The ESS Group had an operating profit of $184 million  I after a $24 million charge for workforce reductions, considerably better  F than the $119 million operating profit that HP booked in the ESS unit  this time last year.  A HP's CFO, Bob Wayman, said in a conference call with Wall Street  = analysts that all of the server units were profitable in the  > quarter--perhaps not as much as HP would like, but profitable G nonetheless. Hurd, who was also on the call, did not elaborate much on  E how where HO was getting traction in the enterprise business. "While  F there have been nuances by region, demand has been pretty steady," he F said. He added that for the Unix business in particular, sales in the ) Americas region was higher than expected.   I HP's Personal Systems Group raked in $6.4 billion, and saw unit shipment  E increases of 12 percent in the quarter, with desktop sales only up 1  F percent, but notebook sales up 10 percent and commercial client sales F (including workstations) up 3 percent. PSG had an operating profit of F $147 million, also much better than the $44 million HP had a year ago G and the highest profit that this unit has posted since the merger with  D Compaq. HP Services boosted sales by 14 percent to $4 billion, with I managed services up 27 percent, technology services (mostly maintenance)  F up 11 percent, and consulting and integration services up 10 percent. G Operating profits decreased by 12 percent to $292 million, including a  I $74 million hit for layoffs in this unit. HP's software business grew 23  B percent to $277 million, but it still had an operating loss of $6 H million. That said, it posted a $52 million loss this time last year in G software and Hurd said that HP's software business would be profitable  H in the fourth fiscal quarter. Finally, HP's Financial Services unit had E sales of $544 million, up 16 percent, and an operating profit of $58   million, up 66 percent.   H On a geographic basis, HP's sales grew 4 percent in the Americas region G to $8.8 billion, which is not exactly great growth, but remember IBM's  A growth in the Americas region was only up 2 percent in its first  H quarter, which ended March 31. Sales for HP in the Europe, Middle East, E and Africa region were up 10 percent to $9.1 billion, but taking out  A currency effects, growth in local currencies was only 4 percent,  H according to Wayman. Sales in the Asia/Pacific region were up 9 percent G to $3.6 billion as booked back in Palo Alto in U.S. greenbacks, but in  6 local currencies sales were up 6 percent, said Wayman.  D Looking forward, HP says that the third quarter will be tough as it I always will be. With HP being a dominant supplier of consumer technology  F as well as a big player in Europe, the summer months are always tough G for HP. And that is why HP is figuring that fiscal third quarter sales  E will be on the order of $20.3 billion to $20.7 billion, and non-GAAP  I earnings per share will be in the range of 29 cents to 31 cents a share.  I HP said that its shares will be impacted in the quarter by the first pay  I raises HP has given to employees in two years, which went into effect on  D May 1 and which will shave about 3 cents a share off earnings going H forward. HP will also have some charges for continuing layoffs, but the F company has taken most of these charges in the second fiscal quarter, C with 1,900 employees taking voluntary layoffs and HP taking a $177   million hit.  I As for what Hurd plans to do with HP, he said that he had spent the past  F month visiting thousands of HP customers and managers to get his head G wrapped around the company, and that he would put forth an operational  G plan within the next couple of months. He said that there was no quick  E fix to get the company back on track, but that HP was one of the few  E remaining hardware innovators in the IT market, that it had a strong  G brand, large customer base, and the ability to become more profitable.  H "I believe that much of our success lies within our own hands," he said.   D.? (I'll be at the VMS Bootcamp. Look for the PRSTSC::DTL T-shirt)  --  1 Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien - VMS / SAP 0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   Pourquoi je voterai NON 5 a la Constitution europeenne :  http://mpf31.free.fr/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:53:22 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>! Subject: Re: Installing a printer 5 Message-ID: <240520051552273658%paul.anderson@hp.com>   = In article <42936713$0$336$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, MJS % <maniac449@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:   F > I have a HP 5100dtn (A3 & A4 duplex) LaserJet printer that I need to8 > hook up to an AlphaServer DS10 (running OpenVMS7.1-2). > F > Hopefully this will seem like a noddy problem to some but we've been< > given a system that wasn't set up to print and received noC > documentation for the Operating System, hence I'm somewhat stuck.   F The recommended way to set up a queue for the printer is to use DCPS. D Install DCPS (no additional license required) and modify the startup procedure to create a queue.   DCPS documentation is at  .    <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/dcps24.html>  E > I have already asked HP's printer people on how to do this but they  > gave up, nice.  E Really?!?!  That _is_ nice.  There are many people knowledgable about F DCPS at the Customer Support Center.  You must not have reached any of them.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:47:38 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: Installing a printer + Message-ID: <4293D939.5E7B4168@comcast.net>   
 MJS wrote: > ) > A question for all you gurus out there.  > F > I have a HP 5100dtn (A3 & A4 duplex) LaserJet printer that I need to8 > hook up to an AlphaServer DS10 (running OpenVMS7.1-2). > F > Hopefully this will seem like a noddy problem to some but we've beenJ > given a system that wasn't set up to print and received no documentation5 > for the Operating System, hence I'm somewhat stuck.  > J > I have already asked HP's printer people on how to do this but they gave > up, nice.  > J >  From what little I know about OpenVMS (I've been on 'kin steep learningF > curve for the last 9 months), I know I need to set up a port for theJ > printer, define it and set-up the printer queue but as to exactly how to > do it, pass. > / > Exactly what do I have to do & in what order?  > ) > Any help most very gratefully received.    Is this direct-attached?  E There is a parallel printer driver on VMS. You probably have a device . named LRA0: That's the parallel printer port.   A See the on-line help for INITIALIZE /QUEUE, and the documentation E accessible via the web at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc especially ? the System Manager's Manual that can be found under the OpenVMS  Operating System documentation.   G If you'll be accessing the printer by TCP/IP, the discussion gets a bit 	 longer...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 07:35:27 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: Installing a printer , Message-ID: <42942abf$1@news.langstoeger.at>  b In article <240520051552273658%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:G >The recommended way to set up a queue for the printer is to use DCPS.  E >Install DCPS (no additional license required) and modify the startup  >procedure to create a queue.   I Don't. Don't use the startup to create a queue ! Use startup to start the 9 queue which you created before once (eventually by hand). E Queue creation is required only once and costs quite some time (which J sums to umpteen minutes unneccessary startup time when you have a hundredsE of queues). Create the DCPS queues /AUTOSTART_ON (which - at least in J earlier times - meant you have to create the DCPS queues by hand) and then) use only ENABLE AUTOSTART in VMS startup.    >DCPS documentation is at  > / >   <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/dcps24.html>  > F >> I have already asked HP's printer people on how to do this but they >> gave up, nice.  > F >Really?!?!  That _is_ nice.  There are many people knowledgable aboutG >DCPS at the Customer Support Center.  You must not have reached any of  >them.  E Are any of the 'VMS/DCPS knowledge people' in presales support (or at # the printer sales) ? Don't seem so. > Or do you phone CSC if you have no support contract normally ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 13:54:24 -0700 From: "Verne" <verne@wvnet.edu> L Subject: Re: Lexical function to set environmental variables of AlphaStationA Message-ID: <1116968064.857948.8170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    See   E from October 1998:  "Is there also a F$SETENVIRONMENT lexical?" (Fred  Kleinsorge's part)f http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/a8392b680c820a5f/b68f22e3bb75d6a0  A and from August 1999:  "Setting SRM console variables from within   OpenVMS ?" (Hoff Hoffman's part)f http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/2d97de24470a91fb/d20d2bdd209894fd  > and from November 1997:  "Alpha environmental variables" (Jess Goodman's part) k http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vmsnet.internals/browse_thread/thread/eb3e4b7699ef9d9b/e87d5548f8935b7e   ? I have had success with all these example programs; not quite a  lexical, but close  :-)   
 Verne Britton  WVNET    ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 17:28:12 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com - Subject: OpenVMS Advanced Technical boot camp B Message-ID: <1116980892.222925.75400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  ! Boot Camp is the week of June 5th   F Registration is at 192 and that is after 6 people canceled our goal isE 200.  Its very busy here as you can imagine.  The free seminars start B next week, I can't wait to see everyone, its sort of like a familyG gathering.  Considering that folks are coming from 19 countries that is D a pretty big family.  We have an Ambassadors meeting the week after.  C Saturday and Sunday morning will be set up and then we start around C noon.  We have an 18 wheel truck of equipment and boxes coming from G Littleton and ZKO (Nashua) to set up.  Three EVA's in one room is a lot 	 of power!   C On Monday Ann McQuaid will be giving out the John Wisniewski Spirit D award and on Tuesday at the engineering roundhouse we will be givingC out the Customer Hero Awards.  The two Hero awards are given to two B people that were nominated from an email request I sent out asking folks to respond.u  = Alan Earls the author who wrote the book on Digital EquipmenteD Corporation is going to be at the partners roundhouse on Thursday toG autograph copies of his book that the attendees will be given.  He willg, be there along with about 40 other Partners.  " I look forward to seeing you soon.
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 14:06:29 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.comP2 Subject: OpenVMS/Integrity servers TCO still tops!C Message-ID: <1116968789.826332.152780@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>i  8 some things never change ... no matter what hardware ...   http://h30046.www3.hp.com/news_article.php?topiccode=20050510_121953_225_121_0_0&searchid=19938&showpage=1&searchtopiccode=LARGENEWS&pagesite=LARGE_OOV&regioncode=WW&langcode=USENG   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:09:44 -0400h# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>E6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Integrity servers TCO still tops!, Message-ID: <RbadnaRLILImWQ7fRVn-gw@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:: > some things never change ... no matter what hardware ... >e >tL http://h30046.www3.hp.com/news_article.php?topiccode=20050510_121953_225_121L _0_0&searchid=19938&showpage=1&searchtopiccode=LARGENEWS&pagesite=LARGE_OOV& regioncode=WW&langcode=USENG      I For once you are correct Bob....some things indeed never change......like< zero advertising for VMS.R       --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:33:13 -0400o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Integrity servers TCO still tops!, Message-ID: <mcydnT2IaLzpSw7fRVn-jA@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:: > some things never change ... no matter what hardware ... >c >sL http://h30046.www3.hp.com/news_article.php?topiccode=20050510_121953_225_121L _0_0&searchid=19938&showpage=1&searchtopiccode=LARGENEWS&pagesite=LARGE_OOV& regioncode=WW&langcode=USENG    F Also of interest...when you go to d/l the pdf file you are prompted toK register in order to receive the file.  That in and of itself isn't so bad,rB but the login for returning visitors to this area of HP's site is:  L https://h30046.www3.hp.com/personalizationSignIn.php?source=/campaigns/2005/ promo/1-XE03/index.php  L and is boldly entitled "Large Enterprise Portal", which sends the right sortJ of message to large enterprises and a message of "piss off" to all others.       --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:11:00 -0500 (CDT)n* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)- Subject: SETI@home v. ANALYZE /DISK_STRUCTUREi2 Message-ID: <05052422110013_2860027B@antinode.org>  F    These complaints seem to be pretty consistent/persistent.  Should I care?p   ALP $ anal /disk dka0:H Analyze/Disk_Structure for _ALP$DKA0: started on 24-MAY-2005 22:10:47.65 [...]eE %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry(&         [SMS.SETI.V3R08.CPU1]KEY.SAH;1L -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRFIDSEQ, invalid file sequence number in directory file IDE %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entryn(         [SMS.SETI.V3R08.CPU1]STATE.SAH;1L -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRFIDSEQ, invalid file sequence number in directory file ID  B    Dare I ask what constitutes an "invalid file sequence number in directory file ID"?c  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-25470   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 03:54:04 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>w1 Subject: Re: SETI@home v. ANALYZE /DISK_STRUCTURE>* Message-ID: <4293F6DC.3040908@bigpond.com>  ' Steven M. Schweda mentioned in passing:aH >    These complaints seem to be pretty consistent/persistent.  Should I > care?  >  > ALP $ anal /disk dka0:J > Analyze/Disk_Structure for _ALP$DKA0: started on 24-MAY-2005 22:10:47.65 > [...] G > %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entryd( >         [SMS.SETI.V3R08.CPU1]KEY.SAH;1N > -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRFIDSEQ, invalid file sequence number in directory file IDG > %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry * >         [SMS.SETI.V3R08.CPU1]STATE.SAH;1N > -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRFIDSEQ, invalid file sequence number in directory file ID > D >    Dare I ask what constitutes an "invalid file sequence number in > directory file ID"?t >    $ help/message baddirent  C   BADDIRENT,  invalid file identification in directory entry 'file-f               spec'D  9    Facility:     ANALDISK, Analyze/Disk_Structure Utility   L    Explanation:  The specified directory entry does not contain a valid fileN                  identification. The file may have been deleted. The directory"                  entry is removed.      User Action:  None.       Regards, Dave -- sB David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:52:59 -0400u# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> H Subject: Re: The future of Enterprise computing ... for most enterprises, Message-ID: <vOSdnfqVdLqA5Q7fRVn-og@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > John Smith wrote:o# >> In the article JF cites it says,w >eG >> Operating systems like VMS and MVS, Solaris, and others will fall by F >> the wayside as their owners find it too costly to develop, sell andE >> compete with 'free' operating system on cheap hardware from TiawanaG >> and China that's 'good enough' for 95% of the Fortune 5000 corporatea
 >> market. >v  > What will the remaining 5% do?    
 Bend over.   --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:37:33 -0500o2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>H Subject: Re: The future of Enterprise computing ... for most enterprises+ Message-ID: <4293D6DC.579F3EC2@comcast.net>t   John Smith wrote:  >  > Dave Froble wrote: > > John Smith wrote: % > >> In the article JF cites it says,t > >dI > >> Operating systems like VMS and MVS, Solaris, and others will fall by H > >> the wayside as their owners find it too costly to develop, sell andG > >> compete with 'free' operating system on cheap hardware from Tiawan.I > >> and China that's 'good enough' for 95% of the Fortune 5000 corporated > >> market. > >n" > > What will the remaining 5% do? >  > Bend over.  D Mr. Dover, Mr. Ben Dover: Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone, United Airlines.   -- > David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsW http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:i" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2005 19:32:30 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net Subject: TK50 tapeshC Message-ID: <1116988350.638503.234150@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>c   Hello B Bill Gunshannon at the U of Scranton, please get in touch with me.7 The TK50s I sent you can back - the address is invalid.  phillipg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:25:03 -0500o% From: Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp>i) Subject: Re: Where is the tftp directory?d. Message-ID: <slrnd96sbv.fl5.njc@wolfgang.uucp>  ; On Sun, 22 May 2005 11:49:34 -0500, David J Dachtera wrote:n > Neil Cherry wrote: >> m4 >> On 20 May 2005 15:59:38 -0500, Bob Koehler wrote:[ >> > In article <slrnd8s83f.co1.njc@wolfgang.uucp>, Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp> writes:eD >> >> OK, let me first admit that I haven't a clue how the directoryJ >> >> structure under VMS works. I don't know how to find anything. HavingK >> >> said that I need to ftp put Cisco images into the tftp directory so IcK >> >> can tftp get them from the routers. Where do I put them so I can justeD >> >> do a simple tftp get (i.e. no directory path when using tftp). >> >/ >> >    Depends on which IP stack you're using.e >>  E >> Like I said I haven't a clue. :-) How do I tell the stack version?  >  > Look for these logical names:    > $ show logical UCX$*		! or= > $ show logical TCPIP$*		! If neither of the above, but haveh, > $				! any here, then HP's TCP/IP Services > $				! for OpenVMS (pka UCX).s  F I've got both of those! Weird it says I have address 192.168.0.100 andC 192.168.1.100. I'm pretty sure I changed that 0.100 to a completely E different address (which isn't working right now, could that be it?).k   Thanks   -- sC Linux Home Automation         Neil Cherry       ncherry@comcast.neto; http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/               (Text only) 8 http://hcs.sourceforge.net/                     (HCS II): http://linuxha.blogspot.com/                    My HA Blog   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:36:20 -0500s2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>) Subject: Re: Where is the tftp directory?e+ Message-ID: <4293D693.F488EB4C@comcast.net>,   Neil Cherry wrote: > = > On Sun, 22 May 2005 11:49:34 -0500, David J Dachtera wrote:  > > Neil Cherry wrote: > >>6 > >> On 20 May 2005 15:59:38 -0500, Bob Koehler wrote:] > >> > In article <slrnd8s83f.co1.njc@wolfgang.uucp>, Neil Cherry <njc@wolfgang.uucp> writes:eF > >> >> OK, let me first admit that I haven't a clue how the directoryL > >> >> structure under VMS works. I don't know how to find anything. HavingM > >> >> said that I need to ftp put Cisco images into the tftp directory so IiM > >> >> can tftp get them from the routers. Where do I put them so I can justuF > >> >> do a simple tftp get (i.e. no directory path when using tftp). > >> >1 > >> >    Depends on which IP stack you're using.g > >>G > >> Like I said I haven't a clue. :-) How do I tell the stack version?  > >:! > > Look for these logical names:e > & > > $ show logical UCX$*          ! orM > > $ show logical TCPIP$*                ! If neither of the above, but haveaG > > $                             ! any here, then HP's TCP/IP Servicesr: > > $                             ! for OpenVMS (pka UCX). >  > I've got both of those!   C That's because TCP/IP Services (TCPIP$*) for OpenVMS was previouslysB known as ("pka") "UCX". Since it is considered desirable to retainC backwards compatibility, both logical name prefixes are still used.   0 > Weird it says I have address 192.168.0.100 andE > 192.168.1.100. I'm pretty sure I changed that 0.100 to a completelysG > different address (which isn't working right now, could that be it?).    That would depend. 9   What's the new address?   " Does it require a new subnet mask?  $ Does it match your gateway (router)?   Any static routes to deal with?t   -- h David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:l" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/i   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:09:55 -0400y From: norm.raphael@metso.com< Subject: Re: Why is DECnet rejecting access to known object?Q Message-ID: <OF7D234FE3.9D6F0C8D-ON8525700B.00639CE5-8525700B.0063D640@metso.com>   = "Bill Law" <blaw@cincom.com> wrote on 05/24/2005 12:46:52 PM:a   > Tom Stern wrote:: > > Silly thought: check the NETSERVER.LOG version number? > >tF > > On 17 May 2005 08:48:10 -0700, "Bill Law" <blaw@cincom.com> wrote: > >w > > >Greetings,/ > > > C > > >We're having a problem with DECnet rejecting access to a known- > objectA > > >from one account but working from another.  Yet there are nos
 > apparentF > > >access controls and no error messages.  This is quite frustrating > ands& > > >we're hoping one of you can help. > > >tD > > >We run a program which declares itself as a DECnet known object > usings% > > >the following sequence of calls:e > > >    sys$crembx()o > > >    sys$assign()T! > > >    sys$qiow(IO$_ACPCONTROL)e > > >    sys$qio(IO$_READVBLK) > > >    sys$qiow(IO$_ACCESS)nG > > >Then from another process a connection is attempted with a programi > with > > >these calls:l > > >    lib$asn_wth_mbx() > > >    sys$qiow(IO$_ACCESS)  > > >    sys$qiow(IO$_READVBLK)  > > >pC > > >When user A runs the first program it declares a known networkb > objectI > > >as it should, and then running the second program successfully makes  > a  > > >connection. > > >rH > > >When user B runs the first program it also declares a known networkI > > >object as it should, but then running the second program fails with:a= > > >    %SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejectedoH > > >while the first program never even receives the connection request.G > > >Apparently VMS or DECnet or something is rejecting the connection.u	 > > >Why?d > > >tG > > >User A and user B have the same account privileges and rights.  No:H > > >account nor password are defined for the known network object.  TheH > > >default DECnet account is not enabled.  Proxy access is defined as:
 > > >    *::*0 > > >        * (D) > > >vG > > >There are no error messages, no operator messages, and no security-H > > >alarms.  What could be causing this?  Is the object somehow 'owned' > byD > > >user A denying access to user B, even though the image has been	 > rundown(' > > >by user A and restarted by user B?. > > >D+ > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated.e > > >o > > >Cheers, Bill  :-) >iG > Thanks to all who responded with ideas to try.  I finally gave in andeE > placed a call with HP Support and I must compliment them on workingt" > hard to come up with the answer.  B Nothing like having the access to the source code and modification2 history.  We forgot to ask if you were on IV or V. Glad they got it for you.t   >bI > FYI, the internal NCB buffer is too big for the mailbox message size offF > 64 and NETACP was rejecting the connection without an error message.@ > This was a change in the undocumented overhead (which includesC > username) added by NETACP from DECnet Phase IV to DECnet Phase V,aB > causing my short 3 letter username to work but SYSTEM's 6 letterF > username and another users 8 letter username to fail.  We were rightG > near the threshold.  It has already been escalated to VMS EngineeringsA > so that an "insufficient buffer" error will be returned in thisrG > situation in the future.  I increased our MAX_MSG size from 64 to 150nG > (since that's what they said NETACP uses internally) and it all worksn > now. >e > Cheers, Bill  :-)s >k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:41:29 -0500P2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.51+ Message-ID: <4293D7C8.58E20C01@comcast.net>a  
 JKB wrote: >  >         Hello, > 2 >         A new release of FreeVMS is available at/ >         http://freshmeat.net/projects/freevmsd >  > News:r
 > General:" > New Bliss version, now at 0.1.1.= > Work has started on utilizing all 4 CPU-modes (and stacks). 
 > CONFIG_VMS:AJ > Improved terminal driver; can now read more than one char at a time from@ > stdin. Have also got infrastructure to handle ctrl characters. > 
 > Bugs fixed:5
 > CONFIG_VMS:  > Terminal output missing cr.y/ > Telnet (CMUIP) session getting double output.u >  > New bugs/features:; > Telnet (CMUIP) session input also get written at console.n >  > Notes:
 > General:- > Some more telnet modules compiled by Bliss.e2 > Only executive mode is used with some test code.   Thanx for the update!t  G If I were more of a nuts-and-bolts coder, I'd offer to assist. Mostly aL DCL hacker these days...   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/:   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.289 ************************