1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 291       Contents: Re: ABC problem with disk ) Re: backup save set transport and restore ) Re: backup save set transport and restore  Re: FTP status Re: FTP status Re: FTP status4 Re: HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter4 Re: HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer Re: Installing a printer< OT. Was: Installing a printer. Now: Progress, what progress?
 peng bears3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation) 3 Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)  Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM @ Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpenVMS to Windows Server@ Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpenVMS to Windows Server@ Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpenVMS to Windows Server Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:52:13 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: ABC problem with disk+ Message-ID: <42951DBD.53CD75CB@comcast.net>    Joe Sewell wrote:  > F > Our organization has just gone to using ABC for networked backups ofH > machines scattered throughout the campus.  My particular machine seemsI > to have a problem.  It has a 9-bay StorageWorks tower with 7 18GB disks C > in it.  One of those disks seems to put ABC into an infinite loop I > scanning for backup candidates.  If I manually run ABC INCREMENTAL with E > the /ALIAS=COPY qualifier, it works just fine.  The default doesn't F > have the /ALIAS qualifier, and I've seen it churn for *days* without > backing up a single file.  > 4 > ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR/READ/RECORD shows no problems. > 3 > Anybody have any ideas what else to look at here?   H Archive backup client, eh? Haven't heard of that since about 1998 or so. Not recommended then, either.   H Use VMS BACKUP to backup VMS disks, or risk losing your data and/or your1 ability to perform disaster recovery expediently.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:21:52 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restore+ Message-ID: <429516A0.C1ABDC84@comcast.net>    Nazim wrote: >  > [snip] > ' > i have some improvements suggestions:  > F > zip30 and unzip60 build without the "-LARGE " option should issue an0 > error when dealing with files larger than 2 GB> > and reference to the "-LARGE" version for dealing with such.  A ...or just let "LARGE" be the default and not require any special  action.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:57:22 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)2 Subject: Re: backup save set transport and restore2 Message-ID: <05052521572249_2860027B@antinode.org>  2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  H > > zip30 and unzip60 build without the "-LARGE " option should issue an2 > > error when dealing with files larger than 2 GB@ > > and reference to the "-LARGE" version for dealing with such.  C > ...or just let "LARGE" be the default and not require any special 	 > action.   G    Currently, the default build is small-file, for better compatibility H with older versions and with VAX (where large-file is not available).  IC assume that the binary kits will include both (where possible).  As C always, I'm open to a good counter-argument.  As usual, reading the  documentation is encouraged.  F    The problem where a small-file Zip would silently produce a corruptB archive from a too-big input file should be fixed in the next beta5 version (and in the official 3.0 release, of course).   C    I supplied the original poster with the latest beta code, and he @ seemed to be satisfied with the results.  (What could go wrong?)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 13:56:19 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>  Subject: Re: FTP status . Message-ID: <mddsm0b5gvw.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  - "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net> writes:   N > Is there a method to find the status of an FTP session on the receiving end?  ! > We're transferring LARGE files.   F > On the end the initiates the session, one can use Ctrl-T to get some > information.  M > On the receiving end the system allocates the amount of disk space required K > for the full file and shows size 0 blocks in directory listing until file  > transfer complete.  L On Tops-20, there is a utility called SYSDPY which will (among other things)L show the on-going increase in size of a file as it is being created.  Didn't" anyone write such a thing for VMS?   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:23:33 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: FTP status > Message-ID: <Fo3le.77$IL3.72@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>   stinehelferw wrote: N > Is there a method to find the status of an FTP session on the receiving end? > ! > We're transferring LARGE files.  > F > On the end the initiates the session, one can use Ctrl-T to get some > information. > M > On the receiving end the system allocates the amount of disk space required K > for the full file and shows size 0 blocks in directory listing until file  > transfer complete.   Hi,   > "Status" is an ambiguous term in this context; do you need theI instantaneous protocol status or do you want to monitor file disposition?   E Assuming the latter, consider creating a dedicated FTP account on the G receiving end, network login only. Create a login.com file that submits G a job to monitor a target directory. Send a notification message as the 9 file's disposition (create; allocate; permanent) changes.   D As an aside, if you're sending large files, you may want to use this: login.com to increase the RMS default allocation quantity.   hth, jec    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 18:02:00 -0700 From: JimStrehlow@data911.com  Subject: Re: FTP status C Message-ID: <1117069320.348139.144140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   ) I overlooked the "receiving end" portion.   G The "trick" that we use is that the sending procedure sends a file such  as DATA_MAIN.TXTD The sending process checks for success (my previous e-mail) and then. sends a second tiny file DATA_MAIN_SUCCESS.TXT  4 The receiver looks for the existence of a small file DATA_MAIN_SUCCESS.TXT G When that exists, that is the semiphore (indicator) for the receiver to < now look (F$SEARCH) for the existence of DATA_MAIN.TXT file.4 The receiver may now process the DATA_MAIN.TXT file.  @ Jim Strehlow, OpenVMS Systems Manager, Data911, Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:59:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter , Message-ID: <4294D91B.9B3C3232@teksavvy.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote: I > Considering that HP is in a transition phase, I am surprised they do as H > well as they do. IBM is not in a transition phase, so I expect them to: > have better figures, anything else would be embarrasing.  . Transition phase ? Perhaps Transition Decade ?  G When a product you are migrating TO is inferior to the products you are F migrating from, you're going to have a hard time transitioning to thatH new product. And if HP has to either give away the new platforms or stopG selling the prefered older ones, then it is HP's revenus that are hurt.  Give what the customers want.   F HP has been transitioning HP-UX for how long now ? 10 years ?  So, theF IA64 came in very late in 2001 and was unusable, but HP customers haveB known since the mid 1990s that PaRisc was dead. And they are still buying it over that IA64 thing.   H And if HP didn't abruptly stop Alpha sales and if HP didn't artificiallyD make Alpha software more expensive than on IA64,  you bet that AlphaG sales would continue to be stronger than those IA64 things for a couple  more years.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:03:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: HP Pulls Off a Respectable Second Fiscal Quarter , Message-ID: <4294DA1C.697C44C5@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:L > > As for what Hurd plans to do with HP, he said that he had spent the pastI > > month visiting thousands of HP customers and managers to get his head    > Thousands? In one month?    H read: He attended 6 marketing events where both customers and management> were present and where attendance was about 333.33333 persons.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:16:31 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ! Subject: Re: Installing a printer 0 Message-ID: <1199g6gfq8kfgd8@corp.supernews.com>  
 MJS wrote:" > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > A >> In article <42941b7d$0$347$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, MJS  ) >> <maniac449@nospam.hotmail.com> writes:  >>H >>> We'd like to use the parallel port 'LRA0:' but also have the option G >>> of Ethernet.  As LRA0: is displayed when I 'SH DEV' I take it that  1 >>> the driver for the port is already installed?  >> >> >>F >> Yup. The driver for the parallel port is part of OpenVMS itself andC >> is loaded automatically if the hardware is found (at boot time).  >>J >> But, you can't use DCPS (as was my previous suggestion) on the parallelL >> port. DCPS requires bidirectional communication (with the PS interpreter)L >> and doesn't like parallel ports even when bidirectional (don't know why).J >> And DCPS has a lot of goodies I personally can not imagine to ever miss >> again. So reconsider LAN. >> > F > I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual K > today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say I've  ( > ever heard of a serial printer though?   That makes me feel really old.  K > Looks as though my only real option is to acquire DCPS from somewhere an  J > use the second Ethernet port on the AlphaServer for the printer, best I $ > start reading up on UCX as well :(  A No.  You don't run a direct point to point connection when using  I ethernet.  Just hook the printer up as another node on whatever existing   ethernet you already have.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:40:46 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ! Subject: Re: Installing a printer 2 Message-ID: <OE3le.6022$%Y3.3314@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <4293D939.5E7B4168@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  G :> I have a HP 5100dtn (A3 & A4 duplex) LaserJet printer that I need to 9 :> hook up to an AlphaServer DS10 (running OpenVMS7.1-2).   @   DCPS should be able to print directly to this printer, via IP.  K :> I have already asked HP's printer people on how to do this but they gave  :> up, nice.  D   The printer folks implement the printer and the server portions ofE   the common print protocols, and are not subject matter experts with D   the host (client) stuff.  (I'm not sure anyone around knows all ofE   the different host systems and host system protocols that can print =   to a printer.   That's a _big_ range, and a moving target.)   K :>  From what little I know about OpenVMS (I've been on 'kin steep learning G :> curve for the last 9 months), I know I need to set up a port for the K :> printer, define it and set-up the printer queue but as to exactly how to  :> do it, pass.   C   If this were me, you will need to load TCP/IP Services onto this  B   system, and load DCPS.  Run the TCP/IP Services basic setup, and   run the DCPS setup.   0 :> Exactly what do I have to do & in what order?  B   The fastest approach is to hire somebody -- that's not to intendE   offense, either.  Second to that, spend a little time in the TCP/IP A   Services manual and in the DCPS manuals -- again, no offense is C   intended.  These manuals cover a whole lot more than I could ever B   hope to cover in this message, and offer up options and featuresA   and command examples I could never include here.   They'll lead A   you through the configuration steps, too, and allow you to read .   or to skim the details as you need and want.  F   If you want to perform this configuration yourself, you will requireF   some familiarity with IP and with IP networking (again, no offense),F   and you will need a functional local IP network.  In particular, youE   will need some IP addresses and netmask values, and related network F   configuration materials around the gateway and such.  You'll want toC   install TCP/IP Services on OpenVMS (I'd look at an OpenVMS Alpha  C   upgrade, too, as your V7.1-2 is very stale -- V7.3-2 and V8.2 are B   the current releases -- but that's not strictly necessary.  ThatD   written, the older version may cause you some concerns around kitsE   and versions, as the kits aren't generally documented or tested for E   these older and unsupported releases.  Install and configure DCPS.  
   Off you go.   * :> Any help most very gratefully received. :  :Is this direct-attached?   C   I'd avoid direct attached.  It can work, but it can be as much of B   a hassle as a network-attached printer, and it is less flexible.C   (Regular readers will know I'm not a fan of serving printers from B   a host system.  I've had as much "fun" with a simple serial portC   and a simple parallel port hook-up as I've had with an IP printer    connection.)  F :There is a parallel printer driver on VMS. You probably have a device/ :named LRA0: That's the parallel printer port.    C   Parallel port printing is an old technology, one with some rather C   surprising complexities around its hand-shaking, and not one that G   I'd expect most folks will want to use.  IP-based and (more recently) E   USB-based printing are usually prefered -- the former is likely the E   best approach here.  Host-attached printers are not, in my opinion, %   the best or most flexible approach.   J   OpenVMS Ask The Wizard Topic (1020) has the general list of IP printing I   "fun"; the stuff to look at when things go wrong.  More often than not, J   the basic IP and DCPS installations and configurations are trouble-free,H   and it all just works.  When that fails, I've found the manuals can beG   helpful -- yes, I too have been known to go to and read the manuals,  B   um, secondary to the occurances of the unfathomable or of random-   incidents of operator confusification.  :-)   D   The LaserJet 5100 series has been supported since circa DCPS V2.2,   and V2.4 is current.  FWIW.   D   AskQ.Compaq.Com has a searchable database of questions and supportF   information, and there are a number of printer-related topics in theF   Ask The Wizard area.  When you first run into it, adding hardware onD   an unfamiliar system can be, well, entertaining.  (I can attest toF   having to have run a SYSGEN on an RSX box as the first work I'd everE   done with RSX, ever -- but that's fodder for another time.   "What     the heck is a CSR?"  :-)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:42:55 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>! Subject: Re: Installing a printer 5 Message-ID: <250520051542020151%paul.anderson@hp.com>   F In article <42942abf$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:   E > In article <240520051552273658%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson   > <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > B > >The recommended way to set up a queue for the printer is to useE > >DCPS. Install DCPS (no additional license required) and modify the ' > >startup procedure to create a queue.  > G > Don't. Don't use the startup to create a queue ! Use startup to start E > the queue which you created before once (eventually by hand). Queue F > creation is required only once and costs quite some time (which sumsG > to umpteen minutes unneccessary startup time when you have a hundreds 
 > of queues).   @ But there's only one queue, set up by someone new to DCPS and IPC printing.  It will be much easier in this case to use the supported  method.   D If the amount of time to start one queue is deemed a problem, he canE run DCPS$STARTUP in "setup" mode which bypasses the INITIALIZE /QUEUE 9 command using previously-stored information about queues.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2005 19:57:09 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>! Subject: Re: Installing a printer 7 Message-ID: <Xns9661DF860172Fdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   $ %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in( news:1199g6gfq8kfgd8@corp.supernews.com    > MJS wrote:  G >> I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual  F >> today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say. >> I've ever heard of a serial printer though? >   > That makes me feel really old.  K Personally I pity the people that have never worked on code printed on 132-  column music-score paper.   $ Real listings have coffee rings. :-)     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 22:35:23 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: Installing a printer , Message-ID: <4294fdab$1@news.langstoeger.at>  d In article <4294a25f$0$316$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, MJS <maniac449@nospam.hotmail.com> writes:E >I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual  J >today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say I've ' >ever heard of a serial printer though?   N Wow, a newbie ;-) My first printer was a serial one: ITOH 8510SCR with 9600 BdN Parallel was faster at this time (but a later times 115 kBd was quite as fast)N but the dot matrix part of the printer was mostly the limiting factor, not theI transfer speed (except maybe a complete page with graphics or selfdefined D and downloaded character set). So, 9600Bd was enough for many years.. Things changed when PostScript was invented...  K Parallel had also the problem of what interface, Centronics or Dataproducts ( to use, which later Centronics won, IIRC  N I was also a proud owner of a ITOH 1550 later (which was the 8510 with 132col)L I did also use LA120 and LA100 printers from DEC, but I never owned them ;-)  J >Looks as though my only real option is to acquire DCPS from somewhere an I >use the second Ethernet port on the AlphaServer for the printer, best I  # >start reading up on UCX as well :(   K Only if you insist on DCPS. And if you have a DCPS supported printer (which K also means with a postscript interpreter) like yours and use network (means J IP) printing, then I recommend DCPS (not pure TCPIP/UCX/TCPware/Multinet).  K But you don't really need DCPS (like you don't need multinational character C sets or graphics, pure ASCII does work, too - and did for decades).   J You also don't need to use the 2nd LAN port. What's wrong with the first ?< Is the printer an equipment not to be connected to the LAN ?   HIH    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2005 21:09:45 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: Installing a printer + Message-ID: <3fk7spF7vr33U1@individual.net>   7 In article <Xns9661DF860172Fdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, ' 	"Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes: & > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in* > news:1199g6gfq8kfgd8@corp.supernews.com  > 
 >> MJS wrote:  > H >>> I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual G >>> today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say / >>> I've ever heard of a serial printer though?  >>  ! >> That makes me feel really old.  > M > Personally I pity the people that have never worked on code printed on 132-  > column music-score paper.  > & > Real listings have coffee rings. :-)  F So, do you want to buy all those boxes of fanfold paper I have sitting in my attic? :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:51:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Installing a printer , Message-ID: <4294E541.A1400AB8@teksavvy.com>  
 MJS wrote:F > I have a HP 5100dtn (A3 & A4 duplex) LaserJet printer that I need to8 > hook up to an AlphaServer DS10 (running OpenVMS7.1-2).    M I've looked through your posts, and could not find the follwoing information:    Is this a postscript printer ?  : You need to consider 2 aspects. Connectivity and software.  - DCPS is software at a much higher level that  D 	1-talks to the printer to find out what type it is and get its page# count before and after a print job. B 	2- converts non postscript input files to postscript with various options available.    A Because DCPS really wants to talk to the printer, it uses its own F symbionts. So it can only work with protocols it supports. (it used to5 support Appletalk,  but this is no longer supported).   C There are "dumb" symbionts that come with VMS that can send data to E other devices, but they assume they are text printers. So you have to @ adjust their parameters to ensure they doN't change anything andG transfer the data raw to the printer, as well as ensuring that you only F ever submit postscript files to the printer since there is no software2 to automatically convert text files to postscript.  G The DCPS release notes should contain a list of interfaces it supports. E I know it supports serial as well as LAT printers. It used to support H Appletalk. I think that newer version of DCPS do support telnet, but theD caveat that it is unidirectional so DCPS can't ensure the printer isN really there not can it get information such as pribnter type and page counts.  F What you want to do is draw a list of protocols your printer supports,F and then draw a list of protocols supported by DCPS and choose the one& that gives you the best functionality.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:56:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Installing a printer , Message-ID: <4294E684.9133B0DC@teksavvy.com>  
 "Doc." wrote: M > Personally I pity the people that have never worked on code printed on 132-  > column music-score paper.  > & > Real listings have coffee rings. :-)  F I once worked with some COBOL/CICS code generator. It was ugly. To tryH to understand the generated COBOL code, I had to unfold the listing overD the length of the floor of the building one night and use markers toG denote various sections of code and literally run through all the GOTOs 
 and PERFORMS.   H In the end, they dropped that cobol generator and we cleaned up the code0 by removing all the unused portions of the code.  , You just can't do that with 8.5*11 listings.  F And back then, people didn't feel so guilty of destroying whole swathsE of forests just to find that stupid bug hidden somewhere in a program + :-) At least now they recycle the paper :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:15:43 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com! Subject: Re: Installing a printer Q Message-ID: <OFE1CB18BA.25AD09D5-ON8525700C.0074965A-8525700C.0074D8FB@metso.com>   D peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote on 05/25/2005 05:35:23 PM:  ? > In article <4294a25f$0$316$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, MJS ( > <maniac449@nospam.hotmail.com> writes:F > >I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manualK > >today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say I've   ) > >ever heard of a serial printer though?  > H > Wow, a newbie ;-) My first printer was a serial one: ITOH 8510SCR with 9600 Bd J > Parallel was faster at this time (but a later times 115 kBd was quite as fast) H > but the dot matrix part of the printer was mostly the limiting factor, not the K > transfer speed (except maybe a complete page with graphics or selfdefined F > and downloaded character set). So, 9600Bd was enough for many years.0 > Things changed when PostScript was invented... > @ > Parallel had also the problem of what interface, Centronics or Dataproducts* > to use, which later Centronics won, IIRC > H > I was also a proud owner of a ITOH 1550 later (which was the 8510 with 132col) J > I did also use LA120 and LA100 printers from DEC, but I never owned them ;-)  > K > >Looks as though my only real option is to acquire DCPS from somewhere an   J > >use the second Ethernet port on the AlphaServer for the printer, best I% > >start reading up on UCX as well :(  > F > Only if you insist on DCPS. And if you have a DCPS supported printer (whichF > also means with a postscript interpreter) like yours and use network (means/ > IP) printing, then I recommend DCPS (not pure  TCPIP/UCX/TCPware/Multinet). > C > But you don't really need DCPS (like you don't need multinational 	 character E > sets or graphics, pure ASCII does work, too - and did for decades).  > J > You also don't need to use the 2nd LAN port. What's wrong with the first ? > > Is the printer an equipment not to be connected to the LAN ?  F I think what's wanted here is a JetDirect parallel-to-ethernet box (or other I vendors box ;) ) or card if the printer supports one, to interface to the  IP network.   >  > HIH  >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2005 21:17:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: Installing a printer + Message-ID: <3fk8b0F7vr33U2@individual.net>   , In article <4294fdab$1@news.langstoeger.at>,9 	peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: f > In article <4294a25f$0$316$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, MJS <maniac449@nospam.hotmail.com> writes:F >>I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual K >>today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say I've  ( >>ever heard of a serial printer though? > P > Wow, a newbie ;-) My first printer was a serial one: ITOH 8510SCR with 9600 Bd  2 Ok, if we;re going to start one of these again....  I My first printer was a Lorenz LO-50.  I built the RS232-to-60ma interface H myself and wrote the driver to convert ASCII to BAUDOT (actually 5 level+ Murray but everyone thinks its all Baudot).   P > Parallel was faster at this time (but a later times 115 kBd was quite as fast)  7 Faster...  A pencil and paper was faster than my 60wpm.   P > but the dot matrix part of the printer was mostly the limiting factor, not theK > transfer speed (except maybe a complete page with graphics or selfdefined F > and downloaded character set). So, 9600Bd was enough for many years.0 > Things changed when PostScript was invented... > M > Parallel had also the problem of what interface, Centronics or Dataproducts * > to use, which later Centronics won, IIRC > P > I was also a proud owner of a ITOH 1550 later (which was the 8510 with 132col)N > I did also use LA120 and LA100 printers from DEC, but I never owned them ;-)  F I still have a Heatkit dot matrix bu tI doubt it would still work.  MyI Okidata, however, I am sure would fire right up.  And I have enough spare H parts to keep it going for at least a couple more decades. :-)   And. onG top of that, I was cleaning out a cloet at work today and found a small E Oki (with the IBM, err.. Epson, emulation) and a Panasonic dot matrix A printer.  And yes, I have serial interfaces for both of them. :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2005 21:14:35 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>! Subject: Re: Installing a printer 7 Message-ID: <Xns9661ECB3BC929dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   ( %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Bill Gunshannon wrote in# news:3fk7spF7vr33U1@individual.net    9 > In article <Xns9661DF860172Fdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, - >      "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:   ' >> Real listings have coffee rings. :-)  > H > So, do you want to buy all those boxes of fanfold paper I have sitting > in my attic? :-)  , Sorry, I don't have the printer to use them.  5 If I did, and you weren't on another continent... :-)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:27:59 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>! Subject: Re: Installing a printer + Message-ID: <3fkcerF8bpmcU1@individual.net>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    >  >  >  >  > F > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote on 05/25/2005 > 05:35:23 PM: >  > ? >>In article <4294a25f$0$316$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, MJS ( >><maniac449@nospam.hotmail.com> writes: >>F >>>I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manualK >>>today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say I've  >  > ) >>>ever heard of a serial printer though?  >>H >>Wow, a newbie ;-) My first printer was a serial one: ITOH 8510SCR with > 	 > 9600 Bd  > J >>Parallel was faster at this time (but a later times 115 kBd was quite as >  > fast)  > H >>but the dot matrix part of the printer was mostly the limiting factor, > 	 > not the  > K >>transfer speed (except maybe a complete page with graphics or selfdefined F >>and downloaded character set). So, 9600Bd was enough for many years.0 >>Things changed when PostScript was invented... >>@ >>Parallel had also the problem of what interface, Centronics or >  > Dataproducts > * >>to use, which later Centronics won, IIRC >>H >>I was also a proud owner of a ITOH 1550 later (which was the 8510 with > 	 > 132col)  > J >>I did also use LA120 and LA100 printers from DEC, but I never owned them >  > ;-)  > K >>>Looks as though my only real option is to acquire DCPS from somewhere anr >  > J >>>use the second Ethernet port on the AlphaServer for the printer, best I% >>>start reading up on UCX as well :(e >>F >>Only if you insist on DCPS. And if you have a DCPS supported printer >  > (which > F >>also means with a postscript interpreter) like yours and use network >  > (means > / >>IP) printing, then I recommend DCPS (not purep >  > TCPIP/UCX/TCPware/Multinet). > C >>But you don't really need DCPS (like you don't need multinationalr >  > charactera > E >>sets or graphics, pure ASCII does work, too - and did for decades).g >>J >>You also don't need to use the 2nd LAN port. What's wrong with the first >  > ?n > > >>Is the printer an equipment not to be connected to the LAN ? >  > H > I think what's wanted here is a JetDirect parallel-to-ethernet box (or > other K > vendors box ;) ) or card if the printer supports one, to interface to theM > IP
 > network. >   B But the JetDirect cards cost a fortune. I did find an alternative F solution early last year - look for stuff called "Print Servers". The G ones I'm thinking of could interface 2,4,8 etc parallel printers to an  6 ethernet connection, giving each their own IP address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:41:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: Installing a printerA* Message-ID: <42951B1C.F8066E9@comcast.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <4293D939.5E7B4168@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > >sI > > There is a parallel printer driver on VMS. You probably have a device 1 > > named LRA0: That's the parallel printer port.1 > F >    It's been a long, long time since I've seen an LR or LP device on@ >    a VMS system.  Or a parallel printer port for it to map to.  , Mostly small older Alphas and AlphaStations.  G The rx1620 in HP's testdrive cluster (spe183.testdrive.hp.com) does notvD appear to have one. "SHOW DEVICE L" returns "%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available".D  7 That's the only I64 machine I currently have access to.a   -- t David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/t   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:44:11 -0500a2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: Installing a printere* Message-ID: <42951BDB.FBCC51E@comcast.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 9 > In article <Xns9661DF860172Fdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, 0 >         "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:( > > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in+ > > news:1199g6gfq8kfgd8@corp.supernews.coms > >  > >> MJS wrote:1 > >1I > >>> I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manualvI > >>> today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't sayp1 > >>> I've ever heard of a serial printer though?e > >># > >> That makes me feel really old." > >EO > > Personally I pity the people that have never worked on code printed on 132-  > > column music-score paper.  > > ( > > Real listings have coffee rings. :-) > H > So, do you want to buy all those boxes of fanfold paper I have sitting > in my attic? :-)  7 Yeesh! Hope you don't have silverfish where you live...d   -- o David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsI http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:f" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/T  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:25:36 +0200>& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>E Subject: OT. Was: Installing a printer. Now: Progress, what progress? + Message-ID: <3fk59cF8bf0nU1@individual.net>L   Doc. wrote:o  & > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in* > news:1199g6gfq8kfgd8@corp.supernews.com  >  >  >>MJS wrote: >  > G >>>I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual dF >>>today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say. >>>I've ever heard of a serial printer though? >>  >>That makes me feel really old. >  > M > Personally I pity the people that have never worked on code printed on 132-p > column music-score paper.  > & > Real listings have coffee rings. :-) >   F *And* enough space at the right hand side to write whole chunks of new- code; or rewrite the spec for that matter :-)l   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 15:32:13 -0700Y From: "penguinsarethebestbirdsANDANDANDpolarbearsarethebestbears" <penguinsare@gmail.com>- Subject: peng bears-C Message-ID: <1117060333.087176.326620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>8  
 peng bears   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:09:31 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> < Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)0 Message-ID: <1199fpbf5gkh652@corp.supernews.com>   Richard Maher wrote: > Hi,. >  > & >>VMSINSTAL was a old, and crude tool. >  > - > Yeah, not as modern and refined as PCSI eh?o > L > I went to install COBOL on a box I've got and to my horror I found that itI > is now PCSI based. "No big deal" I thought; just get on and do it. So IoN > proceeded to install it. (Does anyone ever answer "NO" to "Would you like toJ > take the defaults?") Anyway, while running the IVP it reported all theseJ > link errors "Can't find DCOB$blah". So it looks like the RTL didn't comeM > down so I decided to look at the documentation to see why. Now I don't know E > about you, but I was astonished to find directions such as these: -?  ? Ah!  When all else fails, then you finally read the directions?   E That bit of sarcasm out of the way, I don't like PCSI, but I have no   better solution.   -- Y4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roada Vanderbilt, PA  15486:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:11:35 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>n< Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)+ Message-ID: <4294DBF5.4A2AD83@teksavvy.com>    Richard Maher wrote:N > b) PCSI is a pile o' crap, ham-strung from inception by the petty prejudices > of self-indulgent bigots.e    F I don't like PCSI. But in fairness, it does have a few advantages hereG and there over VMSinstal. But it is really not ready for prime time andd lacks too much functionality.   G They really should have implemented it in DCL so things run in the same;G process. The fact that must of the logic has to execute in a subprocess I where output is not garantyeed to be seen by the user is a terrible idea.P  H Where money should have been spent is in getting BACKUP to compress dataD when writing to savesets and giving BACKUP a much greater ability toF handle savesets with varous RMS attributes automatically (so that whenC transfered by FTP, it would work, instead of needing to fix the RMS 3 attributes, or encapsulate it into another format).a    F Backup could then ahve continued to be used for packaging of kits. AndE users are already familiar with backsup and can easily inspect a kit,P/ insert/modify kitinstal/replace and re-install.1  E VMSinstall could have been cleaned up, streamlined, its documentation ? released and new functions added to keep track of what has been  installed and when.A  H Soemwhere, the priorities go really wrong at VMS. Then again, if Palm,erN was out to kill VMS, setting the wrong priorities was a good way to get there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:31:59 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>< Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)+ Message-ID: <429518FF.E9DF92AC@comcast.net>l   FredK wrote: > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:42923BCA.9A15081C@teksavvy.com... > > Richard Maher wrote:K > > > What a load of bollocks!  To this day, when it comes to PCSI, I stillp > can'teL > > > get a straight answer to the question WHY??? (Apart from a "Busy-Work" > >. > > I tend to agree.  With you.  > > I > > The benefit of PCSI, the product database to see what version of whatoE > > has been installed could very easily have been implemented withiny0 > > VMSinstal to provide the same functionality. > ' > VMSINSTAL was a old, and crude tool. o  E Dunno 'bout that. D'ya ever try to read it? (it's been passed through ) DCLdiet, or at least appears that it has.s   > The variety of hacks done by) > people creating kits boggles the mind. f  C Maybe more appropriate to say that the freedom it affords enables atC great deal of creativity. Just look at the VMS installs for VAX ...i   > Nor did it stand a chance atB > being able to deal with dependencies, product removals, or patch > rollbacks.  > Dunno 'bout that, though it would have been a major challenge, certainly. i  F Then again, being DCL, it would likely have used RMS indexed files forE its database - certainly easier to analyze, diagnose and recover than  the existing PCSI stuff.  H ...and as others have posted, some /RECOVER_DATABASE, /REBUILD_DATABASE,? /ANALYZE_DATABASE, /BACKUP_DATABASE, etc. qualifiers would help 
 immensely.   -- 0 David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/c   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 22:29:15 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t< Subject: Re: Pig's Arse! (Was: Re: FMS Runtime Installation)3 Message-ID: <gWnk1TkuCUY6@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ` In article <429518FF.E9DF92AC@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > FredK wrote:  ( >> VMSINSTAL was a old, and crude tool.  > G > Dunno 'bout that. D'ya ever try to read it? (it's been passed throughm+ > DCLdiet, or at least appears that it has.r  A That is another "value added" feature of the source listings kit.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:49:43 -0500a2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM+ Message-ID: <42951D26.F0FDDB80@comcast.net>o   phantasmus wrote:  >  > Hi,d
 > My Problem:iH > I send labels as text file to a label printer via a queue ($INITIALIZEE > /QUEUE /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM/ON="xxx.xxx.xxx.253:8000" E_TEST)bE > On the way to my printer inside this text file my "13 10" (carriagekI > return linefeed)changes to "13 12" (!!!) and my printer prints an empty  > label.E > Has anybody any idea and where is an alternative? Perhaps a socket?e  H Well, you're already using a socket: 8000. Are you sure that's the right one for that printer?   D I've never heard of a TELNET symbiont doing that before. How did you5 determine that <LF>'s were being converted to <FF>'s?l   Try posting the output of:   $ SHOW QUEUE/FULL E_TEST  	 ...and...S   $ SHOW QUEUE/FORM/FULL formnameo  H ...where "formname" is the name of the default form for the queue. We'll see where we go from there.    -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:d" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/,   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:57:46 +0200e0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>I Subject: Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpenVMS to Windows ServereB Message-ID: <4294bc9b$0$14741$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   JimStrehlow@data911.com wrote:@ > What third party application for Microsoft Windows Server (notH > workstation client) can map an OpenVMS directory as NFS to the server?+ > We are not limited to NFS for a solution.e5 > We want a database to be able to see the directory.I > Attunity? Pathworks? ... ? >  > Thank you.G > Jim Strehlow, Data911, OpenVMS Systems and Database Manager, Alameda,h	 > CA, USAn >      Hi Jim,i   have you seen this?i  F [TCPIP] How to Map NFS Exported OpenVMS File Systems from Microsoft SFS http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/communications/CHAMP_SRC031029001146.htmlh    G Here are also some links to third-party NFS solutions which may or may  ! not solve you specific problem...w  6 http://www.labtam-inc.com/index.php?act=products&pid=2  3 http://www.netmanage.com/products/viewnow/index.aspd  5 http://www.hummingbird.com/products/nc/nfs/index.html-  ? http://www.omniplex.ltd.uk/products.asp?typeid=3&parent=welcome   A http://www.tigerterm.com/products.asp?code=0&parent=menu&typeid=3      Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:25:57 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>I Subject: Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpenVMS to Windows Serverd+ Message-ID: <3fju9oF7stgoU1@individual.net>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: > ... H > [TCPIP] How to Map NFS Exported OpenVMS File Systems from Microsoft SF >tS http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/communications/CHAMP_SRC031029001146.htmle > ...   C $ SET MODE/EMULATE="Richard Maher on FMS" ! People may want to stopo reading now.   Oh, how I HATE HP's web site!!!   @ Go to that article and it tells you to go to two other articles;G         "[TCP/IP] How To Mount TCPIP Exported File Systems Using PCNFS"e9         "[TCP/IP] How to Setup an NFS Server Using TCPIP"n  C But neither of these are links, they are just plain text. Go to the,D "Search" box and paste in "[TCP/IP] How to Setup an NFS Server Using? TCPIP" and click >>. Nothing happens because you need to enableoH JavaScript. Reload the page, allow JavaScript, paste again and click >>.E This time you get a page saying that it can not find any reference to.G "[TCP/IP] How to Setup an NFS Server Using TCPIP" so you try again withtD out the quotes. This time you get a page saying that it found 43,306G entries and that it will show you the first 500 at 10 entries per page. F So you walk through the first 60 entries looking for an article titledH "How to Setup an NFS Server Using TCPIP" and give up! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE8 FIX THE SEARCH FEATURE AT HP SO IT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   $ SET MODE/NOEMULATE   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXl www.weaverconsulting.can   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2005 13:26:07 -0700; From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net>tI Subject: Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpenVMS to Windows ServeraC Message-ID: <1117052767.625121.290950@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>T  B Xlink also offers a NFS server that will work with VMS. Xlink also offers a free trial period.r link:http://www.xlink.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:19:51 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>$ Subject: Re: upgrade 7.3-1 --> 7.3-2* Message-ID: <bnale.1240$m%3.1208@trnddc02>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > In article <1116715602.360936.38250@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,( > "itjck01" <JKoska@bender.com> writes:  >  > ( >>See OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 Release Notes...A >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6674/6674pro_install.htmli >  > % > Why 8.2?  I was upgrading to 7.3-2!a  A Because the problem was discovered after V7.3-2 was released (andn+ after the V7.3-2 Release Notes were writen?    >  > I >>Namely, section 1.9.3 Error on upgrade from version 7.3-1, which speaksf >>to the STARLET_C.TLB error.  >>, >>"1.9.3 Error on Upgrade from Version 7.3-1 >>V8.2 >>F >>When you upgrade an OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 system disk to AlphaB >>Version 8.2, the following error message might appear during the >>execution phase: >>C >>%PCSI-E-PARUDF, file [SYSLIB]SYS$STARLET_C.TLB was not previously  >>installeda7 >>or is present but out of scope; module update skipped G >>Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]a >>A >>This error message is not appropriate for the circumstances. ItoA >>incorrectly states that the SYS$STARLET_C.TLB library cannot be G >>updated. The cause of this problem is that a patch kit applied to theaD >>Alpha Version 7.3-1 system disk improperly updated a module in the
 >>library. >>I >>Disregard the recommendation to terminate the upgrade. Answer NO to theiD >>prompt Do you want to terminate? [YES] . The upgrade will continue >>successfully. "f >  > I > OK.  That's what I did the second time around.  I might have missed it MJ > in the 7.3-2 release notes.  Obviously, from the description, it should  > be there as well.2 > J > OK, this and other answers in this thread mean that apparently all went  > OK.,  H 1) Since installing either V7.3-2 or V8.2 *apparently* fixes the problemH (so subsequent upgrades won't complain), it should have been possible toF add something to the V8.2 upgrade proceedure that detects and fixes itF without bothering the user about it.  Maybe they thought it was easier to just document it.  C 2) I think "out of scope" is PCSI jargon for "this is an unexpectedpE version".  A missing file is quite different from one that is presenteE but odd...  I think they should have had two different error messages C for the two cases, rather than a "missing or out of scope" message,cB especially since no one outside VMS engineering knows what "not in scope" actually means.  C BTW, HELP/MESSAGE PARUDF on V7.3-2 assumes you know what a "managede0 object" is, and what "compatible scope" means...  C The old DEC SPR forms used to have a check box "Could this SPR haveu? been prevented by better or more documentation? (Yes or No)"  IU= suppose this was a nice way of asking "Have you read the fine > documentation?"  (Of course, I haven't read the PCSI docs, but@ you really shouldn't have to do that to just install something.)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.291 ************************