1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 30 May 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 300       Contents: Re: ABC problem with disk 7 Re: insufficient virtual memory, but eventually worked. + iTerm 0.8.1, Unicode UTF-8 ,  Mac OS 10.3.8  Re: MultiHead issue on AS4001 Re: two TCPIP cluster aliases in the same cluster   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 07:29:22 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>" Subject: Re: ABC problem with disk= Message-ID: <MPG.1d048ade19065309896f3@news.bellatlantic.net>   F In article <4298D11C.F9109407@comcast.net>, djesys.nospam@comcast.net  says...  > John Santos wrote: > >  > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > [snip]N > > > If this ABC thing is malfunctioning, it hardly qualifies as either safe,G > > > proper or supported (by OpenVMS Engineering). If the vendor can't I > > > support it either, well, does the word "pray" mean anything to you?  > > G > > "Not Supported" and "Not supported by HP" are two entirely distinct  > > concepts.  > F > Agreed. And these days, finding a vendor who can provide support forG > their product on VMS on a par with support for their product on other & > platforms borders on the impossible. > < > > Everyone is always complaining about lack of third partyJ > > software on VMS, and here you are saying "if it's not VMS Engineering, > > it's gotta go!"  >  > You understand why, yes? > F > In case you don't (and judging from your tone you might not), let me
 > explain. > 5 > Consider the "chosen niche" for OpenVMS these days.  > H > Now, consider whether that is a market that can tolerate anything lessG > than 110% support. (Healthcare (life critical), finance (billions, if + > not trillions of dollars at stake), etc.)  >   > Are there any other questions? > A > > There are several different things called "ABC".  The one I'm  > > familiar with is > > 	 > > $ abc = > > Archive Backup Client for ADSM on OpenVMS, Version V1.2-9 < > > Copyright 1996-2000, Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc. > > E > > This is the VMS client for Tivoli Storage Manager (formerly IBM's 2 > > ADSTAR Distributed Storage Manager, aka ADSM.) > ) > That's the one I heard of back in 1999.  > A > > We use it at one customer site (mandated by their IT people).  > I > Some folks know better instinctively. Others have knowledge thrust upon I > them by experience. Yet others will go to their financial, professional F > or biological grave feeling proud that they "stood their ground" and& > resisted learning to the bitter end. > F > > Seems to work okay, given that we are pumping all the data throughB > > a 10Mb VAX ethernet connection (half-duplex.)  Performance was? > > sporadicly variable for a long time, but then they did some @ > > tuning on the server side and since then things have been as' > > fast as we could reasonably expect.  > > A > > It's an ancient version, but they are running VMS 7.1 ... ;-)  > > 9 > > (Due to migrate to an Alpha cluster in a few months.)  > > A > > They have a shadowed system disk, but if they ever need to do @ > > a disaster recovery, they'll have to build a new temp systemF > > disk, minimally with VMS, TCP/IP and ADSM, recover the system diskC > > backup to the new real system disk, and then restore everything 
 > > else.  > G > Precisely why such products can't cut it in the VMS market niche: you H > have to restore the system before you can restore the system. Too muchH > delay, too much man-power requirement, too many interdependencies, too > many things to go wrong, ...  G Bull.  The delay in acquiring a new site, signing the rental agreement, F installing A/C, electricity, etc. etc., specing, locating, purchasing,E delivering, installing (hardware) a replacement system totally swamps B the few extra hours to rebuild the system disk this way.  It's notD like there is a wide-area cluster or even a hot backup system across@ town.  Are they willing to live with this tradeoff?  Apparently.? If they weren't, they'd be running a disaster-tolerant cluster, % with a remotely shadowed system disk.   B In real life, they would probably be unhappy if a catastrophe took7 out the system for a week, but they could live with it.   C There are vastly more systems out there for which this is true than  there are for which it isn't.   E They have saved enormous personnel costs by using a common, networked B backup strategy.  (It's totally automated from our end.  There areB of course people running the backup server(s), but their effort is> shared by dozens, even hundreds of systems.  15 minutes/day to@ retrieve, mount, dismount, label, and put away 3 tapes/day (very? optimistic estimate of labor required to do local tape backups) = 6 days/week, 52 weeks/year adds up fast.  And we can retrieve E anything from the last 6 months (and they do it fairly often) without A having to hang a tape.  This has paid for itself many times over, > even if we had to rebuild a system disk the hard way once in a$ while (which we've never had to do.)   > D > > (They make the ABC equivalent of "BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK"G > > every few days at least, and we can manually fix anything that gets G > > dinged (queue manager files seem most likely, users don't get added G > > that often, so we can go back a few versions of SYSUAF, etc. if the 9 > > latest backup has a bad one.)  Not ideal, but doable.  > > J > > Our app is careful about backups and snapshots things with appropriateB > > context so the application and database backups are all clean. > > ; > > I don't know if any of this is at all useful to the OP.  > > G > > BTW, ABC's web site is at www.storserver.com.  Look for "STORServer  > > Clients" in the menus. > H > Well, maybe some day, some "third party vendor" will get it right: VMSI > is the storage+server node, not the client (how many WhineBloze servers G > have tens, if not hundreds of terabytes - even petabytes - of storage # > attached or accessible to them?).  > B > Yes, it is well known in this forum that I am not only a serious > curmudgeon, but a dreamer...  C I think that most of the other systems using the ADSM backup server D are HP-UX and Solaris at this site, not Suns.  (There are also otherC VMS systems that I have nothing to do with and know nothing about.)   B Are there better backup servers?  Probably.  Would VMS make a good@ backup server (with some enormous automated tape library?  Sure.= But it sounds like you're just spouting off about your biases ) without knowing anything at all about it.    --   John   ------------------------------   Date: 30 May 2005 09:33:35 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>@ Subject: Re: insufficient virtual memory, but eventually worked.7 Message-ID: <Xns966675CED5ED6dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   7 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:1117430051.202783.292500  @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com    > DOc ,  > H > you might already be aware about this tool, but here's a link anyways: > . > http://www.executive.com/downloads/menu.aspx > search for( > OpenVMS Fragmentation Analysis Utility > H > Find out how much fragmentation is impacting your OpenVMS Alpha or VAX > with this free utility.   & We're running defrag software already.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:10:48 +0200 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>4 Subject: iTerm 0.8.1, Unicode UTF-8 ,  Mac OS 10.3.87 Message-ID: <aus-C0A32B.10103730052005@news.cis.dfn.de>   : OpenVMS 7.2-1, iTerm 0.8.1, Unicode UTF-8 ,  Mac OS 10.3.8! VT terminal is set to eight bits.   > This is what I've noticed in the new iTerm 0.8.1. (04/06/2005)  , 1) Connect to vms with:  telnet  10.xx.xxx.x  < Back space deletes previous character, which is what I want.   The German Umlauts don't work.  ' When I type this command: edit test.lis C The extraneous "#########" appears on the next line of the display.   / 2) Connect to vms with:  telnet  -8 10.xx.xxx.x    Back space terminates the line.    Lower case German Umlauts work. D Upper case Umlauts appear only once and then the line is terminated  immediately with "####".  F "######" appears when I enter a upper case umlaut in the an edit file.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2005 03:00:02 -0700' From: "Graham" <grahambayley@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: MultiHead issue on AS400 B Message-ID: <1117447202.145342.85450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi Veli   : I made the mods in DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM but still
 no change :-(   F How do I know that decw$xsize_in_pixels has been set ?? or even if the	 .com file 4 has run ??? should decw$xsize_in_pixels be seen in a sh log /system decw$*  ???   here is another question.   ? On a cold boot, when the system is at the >>> prompt how is the  resolution set ?  asG the displays are at the 'bad' resolution then too ... thats before DECW  starts ...     Cheers   Graham   ------------------------------    Date: 29 May 2005 23:21:44 -07001 From: "Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl" <Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl> : Subject: Re: two TCPIP cluster aliases in the same clusterB Message-ID: <1117434104.750106.66220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  ( Which version of TCP/IP are you running?  G With IpFailsafe in V5.4 and later, you can have as many cluster aliases  as you like.   HTH,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.300 ************************