1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 01 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 609       Contents:6 Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au.6 Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au.N Re: Alphaserver 4100 and Mylex DAC960 RAID controller documentation/utilities?> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command+ Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...  Re: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business?% Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms  Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP7 [OT] Now "Noddy drivers" - was "Writing an OpenVMS ACP"   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 20:21:56 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au. , Message-ID: <43667ce4$1@news.langstoeger.at>  f In article <aus-A960E0.13204731102005@news.cis.dfn.de>, "H. M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:D >We just purchased a Alpha PWS 433au in eBay and I`ve installed and  >booted the basic OVMS 8.2.    Good choice ;-)   6 >A portion on the consul >>>show config is show below.  B Consul ? Not Dead Sergeant ? Your machine got highly promoted :-))   >QUESTIONS:  > H >Where can I find the last version of the firmware update? The platform A >is too old to be included on the CD in the VMS 8.2 distribution.   / 	http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/ E 	http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/digitalpw.html   , >Is it necessary to have the latest version?  C Not really. You need at least the minimum required firmware version ? but you will get a warning console message every time you boot, * and below this version, VMS will not boot.A You should use at least the recommended minimum firmware version, B and below this version, you will get said warning console message.  K Newer f/w versions may fix bugs, support newer add-on options, but may also L disable (unsupported and/or unreliable) functionality (eg. USB in the DS10).  
 >>>>sh config  > 	 >Firmware 5 >SRM Console:    V7.2-1          Mar  6 2000 14:47:02   M This is the latest version for the PWS and is AFAIK ok for OpenVMS Alpha V8.2    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:21:29 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>? Subject: Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au. + Message-ID: <dk5qrq$q4c$1@news01.intel.com>    H. M. Aus wrote:E > We just purchased a Alpha PWS 433au in eBay and I`ve installed and   > booted the basic OVMS 8.2. > 7 > A portion on the consul >>>show config is show below.  >  > QUESTIONS: > I > Where can I find the last version of the firmware update? The platform  B > is too old to be included on the CD in the VMS 8.2 distribution. > - > Is it necessary to have the latest version?  >  >  > 
 >>>>sh config  >  > 
 > Firmware6 > SRM Console:    V7.2-1          Mar  6 2000 14:47:02                    ^^^^^^   = I'm pretty sure V7.2-1 is the latest/last released version of < F/W for the PWS series.  We have that version installed on a/ couple of PWS 500au's here (running VMS 7.3-2).          Regards, Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:49:54 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>W Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 and Mylex DAC960 RAID controller documentation/utilities? ; Message-ID: <mcx9f.8588$7h7.610@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   K There is a limit of 32 gb for any unit you create on this controller.  This L works out to be up to 7 x 4.3 GB disk in a raid-5 set.  The hot spare and onI the fly replacement isn't great, but this controller does work reasonably + well.  I still some in productions systems.    --       Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail     1 "Sampsa Laine" <news@sampsa.com> wrote in message * news:2005102912392316807%news@sampsacom...H > I just picked up one of these on ebay to run VMS on for fun. I have NOH > idea how to configure the Mylex RAID controller that came with it, canA > someone point me towards a place I can get documentation and/or  > drivers/utilities. >  > Sampsa >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 12:30:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command 3 Message-ID: <P3xaxuFPH06+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1130766589.990861.212150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes:I > I want to mount my tape drive but it's not clear to me which one of the F > listed devices is my tape drive using the show devices command. I've+ > got an Alpha Station 500 and OpenVMS 7.2.  > I > How do I know which device name refers to each one of my drive/devices?  > H > So far I could only find out the dka400 (CD Rom) and dka0 (local disk)  	 $tape = 2  $loop: $  name = f$device(,tape,,)  $  if name .eqs. "" then $exit $  write sys$output name
 $goto loop  G If more than one shows up, the "$show device <name>/full" will help you  determine which is which.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 12:02:58 -0800( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command B Message-ID: <1130788978.585121.54970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G Nah it didn't work, it says no such device available. Is there any site A with basic stuff on OpenVMS? for ppl who is completly clueless on  OpenVMS    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 12:04:52 -0800( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command C Message-ID: <1130789092.416214.182140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bob,@  I don't even know where to type in this script (it looks like a@ script), I tried the prompt but it complained at the second line  Where should I use it?    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 14:18:09 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgG Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command 3 Message-ID: <SqOI4if19sTA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <1130788978.585121.54970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: I > Nah it didn't work, it says no such device available. Is there any site C > with basic stuff on OpenVMS? for ppl who is completly clueless on 	 > OpenVMS   F When using Google, the default behavior is not to included quoted textD when posting newsgroup replies.  One needs to avoid this default and? manually include the quoted text.  I don't use Google and don't C know the requisite incantation.  I do know that it can be done with ! only one or two extra keystrokes.    That said...  : I believe you are responding to the posting that suggested   	$ SHOW DEV MK  > And, if this says "no such device available" then it is almostD certainly the case that you have no tape drives on your system.  Or,D if you have a tape drive, it is not turned on, doesn't have the SCSIB unit number set properly, isn't plugged into the SCSI bus or isn't a SCSI tape drive at all.   @ Ordinarily, a tape drive on SCSI unit 5 would show up as MKA500:  H If I remember right, your disk is on unit 4.  If the tape is also set as! unit 4 then you'll have problems.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 14:22:26 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgG Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command 3 Message-ID: <u3tRMvNUuDqb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1130789092.416214.182140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: > Bob,B >  I don't even know where to type in this script (it looks like aB > script), I tried the prompt but it complained at the second line >  Where should I use it?   B You would take that script and put it into a text file.  Give this& text file a name such as FINDTAPE.COM.  
 For instance:    $ EDIT FINDTAPE.COM  < type in the text >G < press Control-Z to exit -- assuming you are using the default editor>   C Once you have saved and exitted from the editor, invoke that script  as a DCL command procedure:    $ @FINDTAPE.COM   K The commands that you put into a DCL command procedure can also be executed J by simply typing them in at the DCL "$" prompt.  But "GOTO" commands don'tD work interactively, so this particular script won't work when simply: keyed in by hand.  You have to put it into a file instead.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:14:09 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command + Message-ID: <3snfp2Fpaa7lU1@individual.net>    pbritto wrote:I > Nah it didn't work, it says no such device available. Is there any site C > with basic stuff on OpenVMS? for ppl who is completly clueless on 	 > OpenVMS  >   A As John says, this is a symptom that the hardware doesn't see or   recognize the tape drive.   H Is the tape built in to your Alpha Station 500, or is it in an external 5 enclosure? Do you know what type of tape drive it is?   I (Also please take note of John's advice on quoting. Proper quoting makes  , it much mre likely you will get a response.)   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 14:34:27 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command C Message-ID: <1130798067.642696.112200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: o > In article <1130788978.585121.54970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: K > > Nah it didn't work, it says no such device available. Is there any site E > > with basic stuff on OpenVMS? for ppl who is completly clueless on  > > OpenVMS  > H > When using Google, the default behavior is not to included quoted textF > when posting newsgroup replies.  One needs to avoid this default andA > manually include the quoted text.  I don't use Google and don't E > know the requisite incantation.  I do know that it can be done with # > only one or two extra keystrokes.   E When using Google groups, click "show options" instead of reply. Then = click the new Reply link under the headers. You will then get + automatice quoting of the original message.    [...]    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 14:34:30 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command C Message-ID: <1130798070.853192.162410@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: o > In article <1130788978.585121.54970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: K > > Nah it didn't work, it says no such device available. Is there any site E > > with basic stuff on OpenVMS? for ppl who is completly clueless on  > > OpenVMS  > H > When using Google, the default behavior is not to included quoted textF > when posting newsgroup replies.  One needs to avoid this default andA > manually include the quoted text.  I don't use Google and don't E > know the requisite incantation.  I do know that it can be done with # > only one or two extra keystrokes.   E When using Google groups, click "show options" instead of reply. Then = click the new Reply link under the headers. You will then get + automatice quoting of the original message.    [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:19:46 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command 0 Message-ID: <11mdd52jluu7993@corp.supernews.com>   pbritto wrote:I > Nah it didn't work, it says no such device available. Is there any site C > with basic stuff on OpenVMS? for ppl who is completly clueless on 	 > OpenVMS  >   % HELP should be your favorite command.    HELP Hints is very good.  4 As for all devices, including templates, is SHOW DEV  B Using VMS itself is better then any web site, however, the online 2 documentation and FAQ are both on the HP web site.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:05:14 GMT + From: Robert Boers <r_boers@softresint.com> 4 Subject: Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...* Message-ID: <435e0357$1@news.deckpoint.ch>   JF Mezei wrote:  > H > If we are really lucky, VMS is already running on the 8086 and will beJ > commercially available as version 8.3 by October 2006 the day before the  > last Alpha sale cutoff :-) :-) > H It does run (on an AMD64 4200+ dual core in this case), see the link at  the bottom of this page:/ http://www.softresint.com/charon-axp/index.htm#    Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:26:33 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? 9 Message-ID: <zdu9f.2145$LF3.248533@news20.bellglobal.com>   5 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  ) news:11ma9u06c0luae@corp.supernews.com...  [...snip...] > G > And there in that last sentence all is revealed.  The statements are  M > intended to 'lead' you to Solaris, and thus any and all FUD about anything  I > HP is legitimate, at least as far as the Transoft people are concerned.  > 4 > It's a blatant call for you to migrate to Solaris. > A > It is in no way an attempt to help you with your VMS solutions.  > * > Your use of 'troll' is entirely correct. >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  > M Yeah and the guy almost started to cry when I told him I was responsible for  K porting my employer's apps from VAX to Alpha and thought that another port   to IA64 would be much simpler.   question: what was that sound?4 answer: a potential sale flying out the window!  :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:56:48 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? / Message-ID: <11mcto539j8907@corp.supernews.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ? >>Non-technical aspects of HP handling of VMS are discussed at:  >>< >>        http://groups.google.com/group/systems-support-vms >  > 1 > First, you should add me back to your killfile.  > + > Second, I despise HTTP based discussions.  > J > Third, why can't we discuss the business side of VMS here ?  We want VMS
 > to succeed.  > J > If you want only technical discussions and can't bring yourself to avoidI > obvious subjects, then perhaps YOU should move to web based forums such  > as HP's ITRC thing.   C I don't feel it's appropriate to toss anyone out of a forum.  That  G includes suggestions.  There are exceptions, but any discussions about  5 VMS and related subjects are far from any exceptions.   2 Haven't we grown up enough to have some tolerance?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:57:49 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? 1 Message-ID: <dk67k1$bt9$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi JF,  L It's just that you're taking up valuable bandwidth that the good ol' boys of* ADA county could be using to abuse people.   Regards Richard Maher   B PS.  Isn't it always the case that there's never a self-righteous,: self-appointed newsgroup Sheriff around when you need one?  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43660FD8.6FEFC927@teksavvy.com... > Larry Kilgallen wrote:A > > Non-technical aspects of HP handling of VMS are discussed at:  > > > > >         http://groups.google.com/group/systems-support-vms > 1 > First, you should add me back to your killfile.  > + > Second, I despise HTTP based discussions.  > J > Third, why can't we discuss the business side of VMS here ?  We want VMS
 > to succeed.  > J > If you want only technical discussions and can't bring yourself to avoidI > obvious subjects, then perhaps YOU should move to web based forums such  > as HP's ITRC thing.  > E > If someone has a discussion about some feature I don't use, I don't 6 > complain here that the posts are not relevant to me. > G > In the same vein, if there is a VMS discussion which doesn't interest ' > you, you shouldn't complain about it.  > D > Perhaps you are lucky enough to have assured revenus from your VMSB > endeavours, and none of your clients or employer are planning onH > dropping VMS, and you feel that you can securely work on VMS until youJ > die, then you are very lucky. Not everyone is in such shoes. And perhapsJ > none of the systems which you help build have been replaced with Windows > or Solaris in recent years.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2005 06:17:58 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>. Subject: Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-hxjg7rBf1etC@dave2_os2.home.ours>   1 On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:11:02 UTC, Forrest Kenney   <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> wrote:   > Peter, > > > 	DNDRIVER was not done to support FAT formatted drives.  It E > was done to support USB DVD's.  There are systems in the pipe line   > that will need it. > > > 	I keep hoping some person with a need for FAT support will H > get the MTools from LINUX ported and working.  It has really complete C > FAT support.  EFI$CP just needs to be good enough for OpenVMS to  H > populate and update the FAT partition for EFI.  I don't have the time H > for MTools, my winter weekends will be spent adding more examples for  > UGDRIVER.   E A colleague at work has done a version. I'll check on the state when  8 we get back on Wednesday. We're having a long weekend...   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:39:11 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net># Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP > Message-ID: <3aw9f.106204$Ih5.64511@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   denny wrote:) > "...noddy top level."?   what is Noddy?   E www.noddy.com Noddy is a character created by children's author Enid  I Blyton. To describe something as "a noddy setup" is quite common in then   UK at least.     > thanks >  > denny  >    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:13:00 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org# Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 1 Message-ID: <slrndmdcbm.6jh.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   < In article <436458C9.4137E3A4@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei wrote:  8 I've written applications which communicate using ICC as: well as TCP/IP, DECNET, serial ports, LAT ports, mailboxs,- locks and likely a few others I've forgotten.   F > -totally different interface (not $QIO). Requires additional work if> > converting from DECNET or serial/LAT/mailbox communications.  > All of the above are significantly different from one another.? That they all use QIO is pretty much irrelivant compared to the  important logic differences.  H > -the equivalent of setting up a object name requires system manager toJ > include the definition in the ICC startup procedure, whereas for DECNET,U > the application can dynamically define the object name (assuming as hasprivileges).   = Applications which use ICC don't _require_ the system manager 6 to include the definition in an ICC startup procedure.   - Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:53:39 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org# Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 1 Message-ID: <slrndmdent.6jh.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   L In article <gfj9m1td5e45prg9gorid84gdiskgnpcfu@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker wrote:  R > However they are "free" in the sense that as in no additional fee to be paid forR > a license to use like COBOL or BASIC. They are also supported as part of OpenVMS. > so no additional fee for a support contract.    G Please don't tell me you'd write an application in MACRO32 just because E the assembler or compiler is free?  In the overall scheme of software ? development lifecycle costs, the cost of the compiler is minor.    - Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:50:31 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org# Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 1 Message-ID: <slrndmdei1.6jh.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   F In article <dk1p37$f3g$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, Richard Maher wrote:  B >> Unless one has a large investment in _existing_ MACRO32 code toC >> perpetuate, then I don't think it would be a good idea to create  >> more. > 4 > Oh Really, why not? 'Cos Hoff (et al) told you so?  0 Honestly I have no idea what Mr. Hoffman thinks.  D Over the years I've written many thousands of lines of MACRO32 code.L Not only do I personally like MACRO32, but I'm also an expert MACRO32 coder.I No doubt the only reason the MACRO32 _compiler_ was created for Alpha and G Itanium was in support of the large amounts of _existing_ MACRO32 code. L The task (and the risk) of re-writing all that code would have been immense.G No doubt creating a compiler for it was much easier and far less risky. D I'm certainly very glad they did create a MACRO32 compiler for AlphaE as it tremendously eased the porting of large amounts of my own code.   D So if you'd like to write a few million _new_ lines of MACRO32 code,H please be my guest!  Personally I'm not stupid enough to write any _new_H MACRO32 source code unless I'm writing it for the VAX platform and can'tG conveniently accomplish the same task more productively using any other  available language.    - Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:00:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP , Message-ID: <4366F683.DE037E08@teksavvy.com>   danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote: I > Please don't tell me you'd write an application in MACRO32 just because G > the assembler or compiler is free?  In the overall scheme of software A > development lifecycle costs, the cost of the compiler is minor.     F It isn't because it is free. It is because it is assured to be present) and available on any and all VMS systems.   C And it isn't a question of developping a whole system on MACRO, but D rather being able to use MACRO to generate an object file on any VMSC system which can then be linked against a pre-compiled application.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:58:36 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>@ Subject: [OT] Now "Noddy drivers" - was "Writing an OpenVMS ACP"+ Message-ID: <3snicdFos4q8U1@individual.net>    denny wrote:G > Ah yes.  what was the quote?  "....two peoples, separated by a common  > language..."  :-)  >   D Somewhat perversely, according to Merriam Webster (US) and Chambers A Online (UK), the word "noddy" exists in both flavours of English:   < http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/chref/chref.py/main  # http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/noddy   8 And I never knew that before today, when I looked it up.  H However, for anyone from the UK, it's a cultural thing (as supported by G Nigel's response), relating to "Noddy", the main character in a series  H of children's books and TV series dating back to the 1960s. Noddy lived E in Toytown and was usally getting into trouble for doing daft things.   G Hence "noddy program", "noddy driver" etc, meaning something extremely   simple.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.609 ************************