1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 614       Contents:P "Judge Roy Beanism" lives! Re: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revi" Re: %SYSTEM-F-ILLEGAL_SHADOW error" Re: %SYSTEM-F-ILLEGAL_SHADOW error% Re: Advanced Server Performance Issue % Re: Advanced Server Performance Issue % Re: Advanced Server Performance Issue ) Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark)  DCPS and 132 listings > Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today K Re: Newbie questions (NFS performance, mounting disks, getting ZIP to work) P OpenVMS.org Editor to Speak concerning Safe Computing in the Age of Ubiquitous C Re: RF/RZ26 disk question * secure web server adn php for openvms 7.3?. Re: secure web server adn php for openvms 7.3?. Re: secure web server adn php for openvms 7.3?= Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS? = Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS? = Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS? M Re: Stupid newbie's error: Howto reset system's password from user's account? / Re: Tape backup device Alpha/Integrity for VMS? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? 9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:55:35 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: "Judge Roy Beanism" lives! Re: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revi 1 Message-ID: <dkccbq$o1i$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Dale,  7 > Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision   H I don't blame you. I too would vote against the Encompass by-law changes0 but, I suspect, for totally different reasons: -  G A) There is no provision for the doubling of your litigation insurance. F Given your C.O.V. spokesman's penchant for publicly deriding newsgroupG participants in such a forum, I would think it prudent to retain a half G decent ambulance-chaser or to at least re-incorporate in Guantanamo Bay K rather than in Illinois. I grant you that the libellous nature of his tired I and emotional tirade could prove as contentious an issue as Roe -v- Wade, L but is Encompass really willing to jeopardise it's jolly away day funding on a trip to the Supreme Court?  I B) There is no "Pop-Idol" provision for non-members to vote for new board D members. Just think, you could generate all of the excitement of theL Eurovision Song contest right there at Encompass. As a pre-emptive strike, IJ would like to nominate John Briggs@encompasserve.org and save him from anyI potential "Nill Point" embarassment. I believe his skill set would fit in = admirably with the ideals and direction of the current board.   L C) I have to pull you up on your "major reasons" 3, 4 and 5 though. You seem@ to have mistakenly listed these reasons in the negatives column?  : > 3.  There has been no time for analysis or comment . . . > C > 4.  The Board is not providing an opportunity for a dialog on the 	 > changes  > C > 5.  The Board is not providing any opportunity for a statement in  > opposition to the changes.  F This is how COV is beginning operate and it's worked well for Digital, CompaqI and HP *and* it is the preferred, tried and tested method VMS engineering L uses when allocating funds for new feature projects. I'm afraid I just don't see your point!    Regards Richard Maher   ? "Dale E. Coy" <daleecoy@obfuscation.spinn.net> wrote in message * news:11m2ks4n9jia4f4@corp.supernews.com...L > My apologies for the long posting which will not be significant to many of > you. > G > To: Members of Enterprise Computing Association U.S., Inc. (ENCOMPASS 
 > US Chapter)  > 7 > Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision  > H > A "Summary of Proposed 2005 Revisions to Encompass By-Laws" was passedG > out to members immediately before the Member Meeting the afternoon of A > October 19th.  The eight pages of proposed revisions include 19 A > separate changes "plus various punctuation changes throughout". H > However, voting will be yes/no on the entire slate of changes.  Voting& > will take place starting October 28. > J > http://www.encompassus.org/images/pdfs/encompassbylawrevisions_final.pdf >  > H > The following are the major reasons I will vote against the proposal -, > in brief summary, and then in more detail. > 5 > 1.  There is no great urgency to change the bylaws.  > D > 2.  The proposed revision was developed by the Board of Directors,1 > without involvement of other Encompass members.  > D > 3.  There has been no time for analysis or comment on the changes. > C > 4.  The Board is not providing an opportunity for a dialog on the 6 > changes (public member questions and Board answers). > C > 5.  The Board is not providing any opportunity for a statement in ? > opposition to the changes, to be published to the membership.  > E > 6.  The voting is on the entire slate of 19+ changes, rather on the 8 > individual changes - in effect, "take it or leave it". > G > 7.  Although we are told there are no substantive changes, there are, F > in fact, substantive changes to the bylaws in the proposed revision. > G > Summary: there is no urgency to approve an 8-page revision before the B > Encompass Membership can discuss the revision and receive public/ > answers to their questions about the changes.  > - > ================  Detail  =================  > D > 1.  No urgency:  We are told (in a FAQ to be distributed) that theH > changes are (a) to remove references to DECUS; (b) to clarify; and (c)D > to remove references to Massachusetts incorporation and conform toG > Illinois laws.  It is clear that (a) and (b) are not urgent.  The FAQ > > is also the first notification to Encompass members that theF > organization has been re-incorporated in Illinois.  I don't know howD > many months ago that was done - but clearly, if the bylaw revisionA > wasn't needed before the re-incorporation, then it isn't urgent  > afterward. > H > 2.  No non-Board-member participation in developing revisions.  One ofH > the published Encompass Strategic Values says: "We value volunteerism,? > providing opportunities for members of the HP IT community to G > participate in Encompass activities."  Although I believe in the good F > intentions of the Board, it is a longstanding tradition in Encompass> > that matters such as Bylaws Revisions should have widespreadH > participation by the membership.  If this had been the case, I believeF > that the proposed revisions would have been substantially different,B > and would have included additional needed changes to the Bylaws. > F > 3, 4, 5.  No time for analysis, discussion, public Q&A, etc.  One ofI > the Encompass Strategic Values says: "We value candor and objectivity." G > Public discussion, comment, and Q&A has been traditional in DECUS and F > Encompass.  In my opinion, it is vital in fundamental issues such asG > Bylaws Revision.  You might see some problem or question that I miss. G > My observations might be incorrect in the judgment of other members - : > and I might change my opinions, given public discussion. > B > Note: During the annual Member Meeting, I attempted to move thatE > Encompass provide for public questions and public answers about the @ > changes.  However, it was ruled "out of order" for a member to2 > introduce a motion at the annual Member Meeting. > C > 6.  Vote on the entire change.  I believe some of the changes are H > reasonable, and I believe that some are substantive and objectionable.F > The only way to vote against anything "wrong" is to vote against the > entire revision package. > F > 7.  Substantive changes.  I believe there are substantive changes inF > Revisions #4, #5, #8, #17, and perhaps others.  Public discussion isD > needed as to whether these changes are reasonable and appropriate. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:25:53 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-ILLEGAL_SHADOW error 0 Message-ID: <11mjes3gfkn7tf7@corp.supernews.com>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:9 > I'm running VMS 7.3-2 on a cluster of two ES40 servers.  >    <snip>  N > Explanation:  The instruction sequence does not obey the rules stated in theN >                 Alpha Architecture Reference Manual for software completion.K >                 It is impossible for system software to complete the IEEE 6 >                 floating-point arithmetic operation. > F >   User Action:  Recompile the program to enable software completion. > E > I don't believe it's my code that is causing this and I'm certainly / > not doing any IEEE floating-point arithmetic.   . Possibly not explicitly, but the compiler may.  F Double Floating Point is not a supported data type on Alpha.  Such is E converted to IEEE, operation performed, and converted back to Double.   ' Causes some to froth at the mouth.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:11:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-ILLEGAL_SHADOW error 3 Message-ID: <Kk1UxutdIDVE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <o0+xlKWu6dzy@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: > & > The HELP/MESSAGE isn't very helpful: > N > Explanation:  The instruction sequence does not obey the rules stated in theN >                 Alpha Architecture Reference Manual for software completion.K >                 It is impossible for system software to complete the IEEE 6 >                 floating-point arithmetic operation. > F >   User Action:  Recompile the program to enable software completion. > E > I don't believe it's my code that is causing this and I'm certainly / > not doing any IEEE floating-point arithmetic.   F    I do believe "your" code is causing this.  There were some compilerD    bugs which were not discovered until later generations of Alphas.D    And since there's no integer divide instruction or packed decimal?    instructions compilers are likely to generate floating point     operations for you.  1    I heartily recommend the User Action as given.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:39:40 -0800 % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> . Subject: Re: Advanced Server Performance IssueC Message-ID: <1131035980.700547.131000@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Can you post a   $ license list pwlm*     ?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:42:27 -0800 % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> . Subject: Re: Advanced Server Performance IssueC Message-ID: <1131036147.523181.239430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   - By the way, how many AS servers do you have ?   E You don't need to run the license server if you want full server-mode 
 licensing.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:54:03 -0800 % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> . Subject: Re: Advanced Server Performance IssueC Message-ID: <1131036843.830373.254050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>     Are you using the standard LMF ?   ie LMF.EXE and SYSLICENSE.EXE    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:46:04 +01009 From: "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> 2 Subject: Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark)+ Message-ID: <dkd4as$955$1@bozon2.softax.pl>    New ideas for VMS logo  9 http://www.animationfactory.com/animations/animals/ocean/   
 with Linux? http://www.animationfactory.com/animations/animals/ocean/554fb/  and cluster logo@ http://www.animationfactory.com/animations/animals/ocean/1092e5/   Robert     ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 07:01:12 -0800  From: carfer@gmail.com Subject: DCPS and 132 listingsC Message-ID: <1131030072.567478.229940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi all,   C Several months ago I posted relating old digital ansi printings and G several of you recommended me looking into DCPS as it handles automatic  conversion.   E I think the only problem till now is with 132 col. reports, as I want ; them to be printed in portrait format instead of landscape.   D If printed them with no special parameters nor form, the letters areE too close, as the font seems to be the same as if 80 chars. I thought < it would change it to lineprinter at 16.66pitch to fit them.  ? So the question is, do I have to define a special form for that G purpose, maybe with the lineprinter font as the desired pitch? If so, I 1 thought those questions were automatic with DCPS.    Thanks in advanced.   
 Vms. 7.3-2 DCPS 2.4F Laser 4300, Jetdirect, last firmware. Supported in DCPS 2.4 or before.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:28:31 -0800 ( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command C Message-ID: <1131035311.090651.212250@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Thanks alot everybody,E  As you guys told me it was a physical problem, they shipped the Tape D drive with its SCSI interface disconnected, when I first opened it IC could only see that the power supply was disconnected. Anyway, this F thread provided me with plenty of information to go on with the things  I've got to set on this station.    Thanks alot again   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 07:47:14 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today3 Message-ID: <gtZWVz1Ja0Es@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3ss007Fp8vqdU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <eX8JE$vTAdf7@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y >> In article <3sqmk8Fpfi4nU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>> E >>> While I can't provide any real evidence at this point, I would be @ >>> willing to bet the Hubble was manufactured by union workers. >>   >>    Guess again. >   I > Are you saying Perkin-Elmer is not aunion shop? (are they even still in 
 > business?)    C    I'm nit-picking.  I don't know if the shop that ground the lense B    is unionized.  I do know that the people who built "the Hubble"    (the whole thing) are not.   F    And public discussions of the mirror fault have made it quite clearF    that the mirror was inspected, blessed, fault found, re-inspected, E    and re-blessed by engineers who would not be running the grinders.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 07:56:34 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today3 Message-ID: <+vDKRnwJfF1r@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1130942134.166430.322440@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >  > A > It wasn't the design that was flawed. It wasn't the workers who G > manufactured the lens who were at fault. It was the optical engineers H > who three times ignored signes that the mirror was flawed. Testing andH > correcting is a normal part of the manufacturing of telescope mirrors.- > Therefore, the fault lies with the testers.  >   C    The fault lies with the managers and top engineers, who made the D    decision on which test results to pay attention to and which test    results to ignore.   D    I doubt that union workers are involved at that level of decision2    making at Perkin-Elmer or any other union shop.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 07:59:09 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) T Subject: Re: Newbie questions (NFS performance, mounting disks, getting ZIP to work)3 Message-ID: <MEJzT8YSZoT0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <1130952024.683123.101400@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, sampsal@gmail.com writes:  >  > Again, no offence intended.   H    I want to make this quite clear:  no offense taken, and none meant to    be given.      We LIKE newbies.   ?    But advice is given.  You are going to run into other issues     addressed by the FAQ.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 05:07:04 -0800 ) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: OpenVMS.org Editor to Speak concerning Safe Computing in the Age of Ubiquitous C C Message-ID: <1131023224.327720.108270@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Robert Gezelter, CSA, CSE, CDP, a Contributing Editor for OpenVMS.org,F will present "Safe Computing in the Age of Ubiquitous Connectivity" onF Wednesday, November 9, 2005 at 11:30 AM at the Bellevue Public LibraryD in Bellevue, Washington. This presentation is hosted jointly by IEEEA Computer Society's Seattle Chapter under the auspices of the IEEE 1 Computer Society's Distinguished Visitor Program.   G Mr. Gezelter will speak on the technical and management issues that are D brought to the fore by the increasing availability of communicationsC connectivity. He will address the use of wired and wireless network A access, both within an organization and through the use of public < access points. Mr. Gezelter particularly focuses how today'sC technologies can strengthen the integrity, security, and privacy of F wired and wireless networks, even when public infrastructure comprises part of the network.  G The full abstract and location of this presentation can be found on Mr.  Gezelter's www site at> http://www.rlgsc.com/ieee/seattle/2005-11/ann-ubiquitous.html.  F This presentation is made possible by the support of the IEEE Computer* Society's Distinguished Visitor's Program.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:08:07 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: RF/RZ26 disk question3 Message-ID: <EOrrAQB8pcR7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <1130951248.507256.41280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> writes:F > Hi Phillip, you are quite right that the RZ26 is more useful in this? > world as a SCSI drive. However as a hobbyist user it is quite E > reasonable to implement exotic possibilities rather than those that H > make sense (technically or business wise). I run DECnet over DSSI just > to prove that it can be done. D > The question is: can I just connect the RZ26-E to DSSI and will itI > autodetect that or do I need one or more jumpers to make that work. The E > DSSI bus connector is physically identical to the SCSI connector so F > that is not the problem. Neither am I worried in damaging the drive,1 > but I'd rather keep my VAX 4000-100A running...   E    Then be very carefull with this as ONLY the connector is the same.   H    If the disk was sold as a SCSI diesk then it almost certainly doesn'tF    have the firmware needed to talk MSCP to the DSSI.  You may need an0    HSJ in the middle.  I'm really fond of HSJ10.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:46:46 +00001 From: vesko <vesko.1xxjkz@nomx.sysadminforum.com> 3 Subject: secure web server adn php for openvms 7.3? 1 Message-ID: <vesko.1xxjkz@nomx.sysadminforum.com>   H I am an openVMS novice and I want to run for testing purposes apache/phpG server. The installation is openVMS 7.3 (DEC personal workstation 600a) G with hobbyist license. I have read the installation notes and the basic C requirement is openVMS 7.3-1 and preferrably 7.3-2 (or 8.2 for IA). F Despite that the installation of both passed without any problems. ButG the apache didn't start, nor I can run php from the command line (which - will be enough for some tests I want to run). ( The error when I try to start apache is: > 2 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LDAP$SHR > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file7 > PWS600$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]LDAP$SHR.EXE;1 < > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > E I think this is some version mismatch of the shared libraries. What I 5 can do? Can I upgrade/patch some files or entire OS?     The error from PHP was:  > E > %IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatch ; > -IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when PHPSHR referenced DECC$SHR  >  Again library version mismatch? G Where I can find an older version of the sercure web server and php for G openVMS 7.3? Or is there any way that I can get them run? Any help will  be appreciated.      --   vesko " posted via http://sysdminforum.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:21:00 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: Re: secure web server adn php for openvms 7.3? ( Message-ID: <opszoc5au4zgicya@hyrrokkin>  * On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:46:46 +0000, vesko  , <vesko.1xxjkz@nomx.sysadminforum.com> wrote:  I > Where I can find an older version of the sercure web server and php for I > openVMS 7.3? Or is there any way that I can get them run? Any help will  > be appreciated.   7 Before you get too far into it you may wish to consider  http://wasd.vsm.com.au/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:09:07 -0500) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> 7 Subject: Re: secure web server adn php for openvms 7.3? * Message-ID: <436a5244@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K You need at least VMS 7.3-1 so you have the proper version of LDAP$SHR.EXE. 2 There were additions to LDAP$SHR.EXE post-VMS 7.3.  
 Rick Barry OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  > "vesko" <vesko.1xxjkz@nomx.sysadminforum.com> wrote in message+ news:vesko.1xxjkz@nomx.sysadminforum.com...  > J > I am an openVMS novice and I want to run for testing purposes apache/phpI > server. The installation is openVMS 7.3 (DEC personal workstation 600a) I > with hobbyist license. I have read the installation notes and the basic E > requirement is openVMS 7.3-1 and preferrably 7.3-2 (or 8.2 for IA). H > Despite that the installation of both passed without any problems. ButI > the apache didn't start, nor I can run php from the command line (which / > will be enough for some tests I want to run). * > The error when I try to start apache is: > > 4 > > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LDAP$SHR > > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file9 > > PWS600$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]LDAP$SHR.EXE;1 > > > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > > G > I think this is some version mismatch of the shared libraries. What I 6 > can do? Can I upgrade/patch some files or entire OS? >  > The error from PHP was:  > > G > > %IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatch = > > -IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when PHPSHR referenced DECC$SHR  > > ! > Again library version mismatch? I > Where I can find an older version of the sercure web server and php for I > openVMS 7.3? Or is there any way that I can get them run? Any help will  > be appreciated.  >  >  > --   > vesko $ > posted via http://sysdminforum.com >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:53 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>F Subject: Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?2 Message-ID: <dkdhcl$kih$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  3 "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1131035667.875656.304170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...   < > Is the DECWindows installed along with the OpenVMS so it'sE > automatically started when I boot the OpenVMS? By the way, should I F > really have to "boot -flags 0,0" to startup the OpenVMS every time I > power up the station?   B DECWindows software is typically installed to automatically start.E However, the post-installer would typically run as a text application 3 (setting SYSTEM account password, stuff like that).   > What happens at power up is defined by the auto_action consoleJ environment variable. It's typically set to "halt" but I usually set it toD "restart". "set auto_action restart" I think is the correct command.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 10:14:38 -0800 ( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>F Subject: Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?C Message-ID: <1131041677.974772.161440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   < > Is the DECWindows installed along with the OpenVMS so it'sE > automatically started when I boot the OpenVMS? By the way, should I F > really have to "boot -flags 0,0" to startup the OpenVMS every time I > power up the station?     B DECWindows software is typically installed to automatically start.E However, the post-installer would typically run as a text application 3 (setting SYSTEM account password, stuff like that).   > What happens at power up is defined by the auto_action consoleG environment variable. It's typically set to "halt" but I usually set it  toC "restart". "set auto_action restart" I think is the correct command   D How do I startup the DECWindows or how can I tell for sure that it's really installed?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 10:13:21 -0800 ( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>F Subject: Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?C Message-ID: <1131041600.917449.207970@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   < > Is the DECWindows installed along with the OpenVMS so it'sE > automatically started when I boot the OpenVMS? By the way, should I F > really have to "boot -flags 0,0" to startup the OpenVMS every time I > power up the station?     B DECWindows software is typically installed to automatically start.E However, the post-installer would typically run as a text application 3 (setting SYSTEM account password, stuff like that).   > What happens at power up is defined by the auto_action consoleG environment variable. It's typically set to "halt" but I usually set it  toC "restart". "set auto_action restart" I think is the correct command   F  ... Ok, how do I startup the DECWindows, how can I tell for sure thatE it's installed? it's been 2 weeks since I installed the OpenVMS and I  haven't seen DECWindows so far.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:02:39 +1300 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> V Subject: Re: Stupid newbie's error: Howto reset system's password from user's account?# Message-ID: <4369ed21@clear.net.nz>    Bob Koehler wrote:  G > In article <ce368$436509a8$513b9a2c$3582@news.versatel.nl>, "H Vlems"   > <nospam@what.ever.com> writes:( >> Alternatively, boot into SYSBOOT and: >>     SET UAFALTERNATE 1  >>     SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"  > D >    This would not work on any system I have secured, unless you do2 >    happen to know the SYSTEM password in UAFALT. > 5 >    But the other techniques from the FAQ will work.   F Well, they did.  Thanks everybody.  I couldn't have done it by myself.  
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:17:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: Tape backup device Alpha/Integrity for VMS?3 Message-ID: <CyaSL7+iT6iO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <dkbb7o$m12$1@reader2.panix.com>, Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> writes: E > What's the current wisdom on tape backup devices to order with new  ! > Alpha or Integrity VMS systems?  > C > I currently have ES40's with TZ89's (DLT 7000?) and I use DLT IV   > media. > H > I assumed that I should order new systems with SDLT 320 tape drives toG > get "backward read compatibility" (BRC) with the DLT IV tapes written I > on a TZ89.  However, the HP web site mentions a SDLT 600, which is BRC  - > with the SDLT 320, but doesn't mention DLT.  > 4 > There are other formats: VS80, VS160, various DAT. >  > Any thoughts?   #    What is your volume requirement?   A    I love DAT, it solved a volume problem with a system which was C    ordered with 75MB DLT (TK50).  I went from spending nights doing D    14 tapes manually (eunichs was part of the problem) to automated E    overnight backups on one tape.  I've had tolerable problem levels  2    with TLZ04 and very little problems with TLZ06.  1    Others hate DAT and have had lots of problems.   F    I seriously doubt I'd outfit a new system with DAT as I'm likley toE    have too much volume, and a current technology DLT is likely to be     a better match.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:02:21 +0100  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?& Message-ID: <4369d219$1@news1.ethz.ch>   David Mathog wrote: J > This is, in my opinion, one of the primary reasons to avoid proprietary K > software and go open source if it is in any way possible.  Open software  C > doesn't go "poof" at the whim of the CEO du jour, but commercial  I > software does.  Even if an open source project is left for dead it can  I > be resurrected years later because the source code tends to sit around  1 > on sourceforge (or wherever) and not evaporate.   I Uh oh. Never thought about that. It's a very good argument, why didn't I   see it before??    S    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:38:38 +0000 (UTC)( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?5 Message-ID: <dkclqu$7rr$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   5 In article <43692168.5FBFD8D9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:H > Consider at DEC, the CDA converter stuff. If they open sourced it, youA > could expect porting of some of the newer document supports (in E > particular the XML "open document" format, support for more current H > versions of image converters etc. And it would provide a great base onG > which to build X applications since you already have the jpeg reader, A > gif reader and you coudl easily display any text documehty with I > attributes if there is a CDA reader for it. You want to print a picture B > ? convcert /doc dolphin.jpg/format=jpeg dolphin.ddif/format=DDIF/ > followed by print dolphin.ddif/para=data=ddif  > G > Instead, the product is allowed to rot. Making it open source doesn't I > garantee it will live again. But not making it open source garantees it  > won't.  L If the CDA format specs are public, why not code a new open source converter= for it ? No need to mess with ageing proprietary source code.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:05:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?, Message-ID: <4369E0CA.97443DA8@teksavvy.com>   Michael Kraemer wrote:N > If the CDA format specs are public, why not code a new open source converter? > for it ? No need to mess with ageing proprietary source code.   G The specs are available in OLD  condist documentation.  (by old, I mean ( age wise, not On Line  Documentation :-)  ? Point is that if there is already a GIF converer available, why = re-invent the wheel ? The documentation is very dry. Having a E programming example on which to base a converter would greatly help.    F The effort to start convertsre from scratch is big. The effort to takeG the JGPEG primitive converter and move it to more moderns jpeg software G and keep the CDA portion would be simpler. Sa,e for adding PNG support.   G Similarly, there is SGML code for the CDA. Using that code might may it % mush easier to generate or read HTML.   E There is an early WORD converter. Using this as a base, one would use E open source WORD document parsers and include those into the existing F code to be able to deal with curtrent MS Word formats and convert them to/from CDA.  E In this case, having modern CDA converters would make DECWrite modern ? too because it natively can open/write documenmts in any format H supported by CDA converters. (the beauty of shareable images and the CDA calling convention).      D This is just one example. When you look at how much software Digital0 abandonned, there are a LOT of similar examples.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:01:12 +1300 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?# Message-ID: <4369ecca@clear.net.nz>    JF Mezei wrote:   5 > In the 1990s, Digital abandonned a lot of software.  > I > In some cases, some of the software originated from companies which are H > now bankrupt (SoftPC on vax came from Insignia Solutions which doesn't > seem to exist anymore).  > ; > There there is all the source code to the CDA converters.  > F > Will all this software and/or source ever make it to "public domain"D > once the copyrights expire ? If so, how long before this starts toJ > happen ? Or can the owners continuously renew copyrights of old softwareG > even though such software is no longer in development or maintained ?  > F > eg: how long after the last version of  a software was produced does6 > that software no longer really belong to the owner ?  K I think what is instead likely to happen is that FreeVMS will start to gain K traction, and people will hope HP will release source code but it won't, so F they'll get down and write their own versions from scratch.  This willE revitalize the GNV (Gnv's Not VMS) project, etc, and after seeing the G groundswell, HP will have a death-bed conversion and release as much as & they actually have copyright to ... ;)  I That's how Unix went, and I'm betting on VMS going exactly the same way -  and MS Windows for that matter.   
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 08:02:07 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?3 Message-ID: <TfwVj2QAVZ5D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <4369ecca@clear.net.nz>, Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> writes:   M > I think what is instead likely to happen is that FreeVMS will start to gain M > traction, and people will hope HP will release source code but it won't, so H > they'll get down and write their own versions from scratch.  This willG > revitalize the GNV (Gnv's Not VMS) project, etc, and after seeing the I > groundswell, HP will have a death-bed conversion and release as much as ( > they actually have copyright to ... ;) > K > That's how Unix went, and I'm betting on VMS going exactly the same way - ! > and MS Windows for that matter.   F    I think we can use RSX, TOPS-10, and TOPS-20 as appropriate counter    examples.  A    I can remember in the waining days of TOPS-20, people going to H    Large System SIG meetings and pleading with DEC to release the source    to the public.   '    I'd love to have the source for RSX.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 14:33:55 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?+ Message-ID: <3sulejFq2b6oU1@individual.net>   3 In article <TfwVj2QAVZ5D@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y > In article <4369ecca@clear.net.nz>, Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> writes:  > N >> I think what is instead likely to happen is that FreeVMS will start to gainN >> traction, and people will hope HP will release source code but it won't, soI >> they'll get down and write their own versions from scratch.  This will H >> revitalize the GNV (Gnv's Not VMS) project, etc, and after seeing theJ >> groundswell, HP will have a death-bed conversion and release as much as) >> they actually have copyright to ... ;)  >>  L >> That's how Unix went, and I'm betting on VMS going exactly the same way -" >> and MS Windows for that matter. > H >    I think we can use RSX, TOPS-10, and TOPS-20 as appropriate counter >    examples.  D I would remove RSX from that list.  RSX is still a viable commercialD product offered for sale by Mentec.  It is no closer to being a dead  product than VMS, maybe further!   > C >    I can remember in the waining days of TOPS-20, people going to J >    Large System SIG meetings and pleading with DEC to release the source >    to the public.  > ) >    I'd love to have the source for RSX.   E I would love to have the source to RSTS/E, but it too is still a very  viable commercial product.  E As for Unix, go back and look at the BSDI Lawsuit.  Turns out that by D the time the first free Unix versions  hit the street there was veryD little left in it covered by AT&T Copyright/Trade Secret protection.   bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:16:20 -0500* From: "Dennis Couch" <dencouch@us.ibm.com>B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?) Message-ID: <436a27a4_4@news3.prserv.net>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43692168.5FBFD8D9@teksavvy.com... David Mathog wrote:    <snip>  G When one considers all of the mergers, acquisitions and bankrupcies, it G is very hard to track software in the long term, unless you go with the  big guys like oracle, SAP etc.   <snip>  G Even this is no guarantee.  Remember that DEC was one of the "big guys" I before they went under... second largest computer company in the world to E IBM.  I can remember analysts saying years ago that nobody would ever L supplant Novell's NetWare as a network OS... where's NetWare now?  Lotus 123J once had the spreadsheet market sewn up, as did Ashton-Tate with dBase forJ the PC database market, and WordPerfect for word processing (and MultiMate
 before that).   G Those other transitions were gradual enough that their proprietary file I formats weren't (and still aren't) really a problem, though.  My point is J that being big or having market share really doesn't guarantee anything in the long term.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 09:43:15 -0600  From: gleason@encompasserve.org B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?3 Message-ID: <SQxlswlefTfS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <TfwVj2QAVZ5D@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > ) >    I'd love to have the source for RSX.  >   G   If you have a distribution tape for RSX, you've got a big slug of the G source already, since it has to be there to be assembled during SYSGEN.   F   The assorted utiities aren't there, but it's the Executive code that' makes for the most interesting reading.   G   Speaking of interesting reading, I remember one of the funniest DECUS I RSX Magic Session presentations I ever saw was called "It's in the Code". C I think it was done by Brian McCarthy, circa 1982. He had dozens of D examples of crazy code and commentary that had made its way into theA RSX sources over the years. Some of them were a real hoot, and it A really broke up the audience. At the end, during the laughter for A a particularly funny bit, he told us all "Keep laughing...you are B all paying for this code". I wish he'd published this presentation+ somewhere, I'd really like to see it again.      Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants  lgleason@houston.rr.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2005 10:01:27 -0800 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?C Message-ID: <1131040887.466660.168310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   
 Lee wrote:  A > Speaking of interesting reading, I remember one of the funniest = > DECUS RSX Magic Session presentations I ever saw was called H > "It's in the Code". I think it was done by Brian McCarthy, circa 1982.> >  He had dozens of examples of crazy code and commentary that7 > had made its way into the RSX sources over the years.   C Was this the same Magic session where we got to hear about how many E copies of the RAD50/ASCII conversion routines were built in to RSX? I A don't remember the number but it was surprisingly high. Some wit, C perhaps Brian himself, joked that this provided code redundancy: If < copy A of the routine breaks, we have copy B to use instead.  C There was also some Macro source file where the only comment was, I E think, the birth date of the author's dog. Was this in the source for  PIP, maybe?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.614 ************************